As someone about to set up for indoor cycling I have to disagree. I see I have the choice of kickr core + year of zwift (which includes either the virtual shifting and hub or a cassette) or for £600 more I can get no free year of zwift and this zwift ride frame, effectively making it £800 more if I want a year of zwift. And, to me, that makes no sense. Even if I didn't have a bike or I didn't want to use my bikes. I don't understand at all why this sku wouldn't include a free year of zwift. As for multiple people using it, I'm hesitant on that given the limited saddle fore/aft movement - others will complain about the fixed crank length too although I'm not convinced that is such a big deal. You know there's just about enough fore / aft on my saddles to fit them to a frame that's pretty damn close to the right size, for me. If I had to put someone else on my bike who was significantly shorter or taller and put the saddle in the right place? We're going to struggle without getting fancy seatposts etc. Look at the fore/aft saddle adjustment on a wattbike atom - that's what you need for "one size fits all" - and I bet without looking the other smart bikes are the same. You need something that slides back and forth by several cm not a few mm. And the irony is, if I get the kickr core + year of zwift with free cassette, I'm actually less tied into zwift even though I've effectively bought a year of zwift - than if I buy this, which I have to use on zwift, but they don't even include it in the (higher) price. That makes zero sense from a consumer pov. Even the kickr core + hub is easier to switch away to another platform whereas if zwift goes out of business or you find reasons not to use it, you have an expensive chocolate teapot that's shaped a bit like a bike in your garage - whereas if you got the kickr core, a year of zwift, cassette included and a bike, whatever a cheap hybrid - and then after a year of zwift you thought "It's not for me" you'd still have a bike you can use as a bike outdoors and that lots of people would buy because there's a bigger market for bikes than there are for zwift rides - and the trainer can be used on other platforms and someone would buy that.
@@gplama was it 2 hours for the trainer disappearing + frame dropping + dust cloud animation, 1 hour for editing all for a 9 minute video? Those little animations can take forever IME...
Hmm aero tubing - that bike will be so much faster on the flats - wouldn't it be something if they incorporated a weight scale into the saddle to prevent weight doping - lol
I'm surprised nobody else has done this. Especially as it could be done much much cheaper because weight is not an issue - hell as long as you had the shifting system/drivetrain down you could make your own.
Can't wait to see the bar swap. Im looking at miving to the same bars as the Diverge with the 20mm hump and the flair. I sweat so carbon is absolutely out of the question.
Carbon bar is what you want if you sweat a lot. I blew through two aluminum handlebars before I got a composite one off EBay. Been fine since then. Salt isn’t friendly to metal.
This smart frame is obiously pointed to people who are dedicated and swearing for Zwift’s name and never look other platforms. Could be neat purchase for them and if same family have more Zwift users, universal frame size which fits for all. Kind of.
@@gplama Sweet! And thanks for the quickest reply I've ever had on RUclips. I''ll be training for an IM next April, and don't have my race bike as of today and need start training a little bit and thought for the money..its a no brainer!
Bought the Kickr Core Zwift One back in March. Will certainly get the bike especially as my partner is now interested. Any ideas on the price for the frame only option?
Actually in Australia they charging $250 for shipping which was misleading by wahoo in the lead up to launch. Comes to $2550 all up, which is not far off a smart bike from 99bikes when they have a sale…
did anyone get the virtual shifting activated in Rouvy so far? Rouvy connects to the Kickr, but I can't shift as it does not recognize to Shifters. Driving in just one gear is not soooo much fun, actually ...
Damn, I would purchase it (I currently own a Kickr v5 and Climb, but looking for a dedicated bike setup). As a tall rider though the 170mm cranks seem like a huge miss #ouchmyknees.. why didn't Zwift use the 'claw' type crank to have 5 length options.. or at least a standard crank so it can be swapped out (hopefully we can) Also, it would have been awesome if they integrated the fork with Wahoo, so it can be used for the Kickr Climb. If I go for the Zwift Ride frame, I probably have to sell the Climb.
Sick of having new tech launch as bundles. I bought a kickr core years ago and still can't get a hub on its own. Everything new I need to buy my trainer again to use the new stuff
@@gplama lovely! not gonna lie, when my saris h3 dies this is the kind of route i want to go down. this is a really cool and innovative set up. i really like it. my only query is over the stability of the 'fork'
Hi Shane, is there enough conductivity for Apple TV? I watched the DC Rainmaker video, he had some issues with using the Zwift companion app. I think I’ll be an early adopter for this.
I don’t have any issues with the Companion App or ATV (other than the connection limits). I run the App on an iPhone 12 with a solid WiFi setup in the Lama Lab.
I’m having a problem seeing why this would be advantageous over spending 400$ on a triban 120 instead. Cheaper, and works exactly the same for all intent and purpose.
still having a chain that will wear out may cause power variations? I don't like the no fork front end. Seems weird but I do like the adjustability to get the fit dialed in. Please tell me its aluminum and not steel
there's literally no reason to have a wheel. It's weird to have one. In fact I've built a stand for my bike so that the QR skewer goes into a block of wood so I don't have a wheel taking up more space or ruining my wheel with sweat. there's lots on this bike that is ill thought out...the no front wheel is actually smart. I'm surprised they don't have a vibration add on or it built in to replicate cobbles and rough roads when using the simulators. And suspension options for MTBers.
Currently have a kickr core - I store the bike by lifting the front and it sits with its front wheel straight upward (top tube pointing straight up). Is this possible with the Ride?
The manual supplied says not to do this. Likely only because the bike is so damn heavy. If you want to live on the edge, I'm sure it'd work. (*Not a recommendation. YMMV. Don't sue me. etc) :)
I'm just about to move into a new place and the only space I'll have for my trainer is upstairs. This is a great solution for those who don't want to be taking a daily driver up and down stairs when you want a training session.
@gplama What is the minimum distance from the saddle nose to the centre of the BB. With a fairly long TT, smaller riders may need a lot of Fore adjustment of the saddle to get the right fit. Thanks 👍🏻
Good to see some acknowledgement that climbing gears should be as low as 30/36..... (Waiting for all the flatlanders who have to cross the occasional bridge to scream "WHAAAAAT- 39/23 is fine....")
I've now watched several video reviews that say it is stable. When you think about it, a regular bike's front wheel has even less contact with the ground.
Shane you are by far one of the best youtube reviewers out there. In fact one of the best reviewers full stop! No nonsense, tell it like it is and a bit of humour thrown in too! Keep them coming! Love your work!!!
Thanks for the kind words. There's a few of us here on RUclips covering all the new bike tech who really love what we do, sounds like it's showing. Have a good Friday mate!
Given the v6 has it and it's taking this long for the v5 to get virtual shifting, I no longer believe the v5 will get virtual shifting. There's not much difference between the models.
i got a kickr core earlier this year and i have absolutely LOVED indoor cycling, for some reason the "gamefying" just tickles my brain in a way that out door don't. i feel a constant urge to wonna ride despite still being very sore from the day before, i have a cheap bike set up on it but i could deffinitly see myself buying the ride if they offer it without the kickr core. i can especially see the use of changeing handlebar reach and hight being very usefull for me atleast since i dont thing mine are that good on my bike but it being a rather cheap one i don't wonna spend alot of money on trying to fix it when i don't know how. having the option of messing around with the lenghts and finding something optimal without having to change different parts seems very nice for beginners like myself that don't have any experience with bikefit or overall mechanical changes of the bike. overall very exited.
Great review Shane, its time to take the covers off those crank arms and see if we can swap them, absolute deal breaker having only 170mm, makes me wonder if Zwift really understands serious cyclists
@@aidanearl Mine could; I have a Kickr Core ($650), a pair of Zwift Play controllers ($99), a singlespeed cog ($50 for a nice one with spacers and lockring), and a 2001 Specialized Allez ($200) that just lives on the trainer - a big improvement from moving my road bike back and forth multiple times a week. I actually rode the Allez around the block when I got it and, besides riding like a 23 year-old bike, it was fine.
For everyone who done lot of especially indoor cycling remember to check seat post occasionally that it isn’t seized. It hasn’t happened for me yet but this is as a reminder. Easier to sell bike forward when needed.
This is a very smart idea. Interesting that they’ve been slowly working on elements of this over time. I’ll be looking at picking one of these up. The adjustable frame will also be useful for pre-purchase bike fitting.
it’s absurd. why not just buy a cheap frame and trainer? they’re selling a steel frame that’s heavy, can’t be ridden outside, and is as expensive as a whole mid-range bicycle. it’s such a confusing product.
Couple of things if you don't mind please. Can you still use it with a cassette on the Core, with a straight chain line. And can the bar tape be easily changed, does the rubber round the controllers peel back easily like a normal STI? Thanks
Having already purchased a zwift hub one, they need to offer the bike as a standalone option. Definitely makes more sense as a package than shelling out over £3k for a wahoo bike
Great idea and mostly well done execution but that pricing is insane (oops maybe not, I thought it was the bike only at that price. With the trainer that is not bad at all !}. Canadian here still waiting on the zwift play controllers that would love to put a dumpster find bike setup single speed on my trainer for next to nothing.
Hi Shane, is there anyway the cog v1 can be soundproofed as the noise is driving me up the wall. Would be great if there is a way as there seems to be lot's of posts about this on Reddit but no answer.
What would be the best interactive screen, apple tv attached to a TV, large iPad screen, or your laptop computer/also connected to your tv is so equipped or standalone laptop. At first, I was thinking this came with a screen as well, but alas it doesn't. Any direction would be helpful. Maybe showing your setup may be helpful. Thanks in advance.
Hi, if i buy the bundle with the zwift core included. Can i then move the cog to my kickr 6 and be running without buying Extras, and then just sell the core as brand new second hand? Best regards
I ordered one last week and got an email with a DPD tracking number. Unfortunately the tracking number is not showing on the system I'm not getting much stasifaction from Zwift in tracking it. All I am getting from them is that it has been shipped and they are looking into it. I would be cautious before ordering. For the record i am in Ireland.
Will the seat tube be fully removable to swap (and available to buy separately of course)? Saddles are one of the few things that my wife and I are totally incompatible with. Otherwise the quick adjustments would work for us. Thanks for the overview Shane 👍
This is something I have inquired from a few bike brands like Canyon on. Been wanting bike brands to offer a partial build option for a frame/groupset to be specially used on virtual trainers.
The minimum reach still is very long for a huge percentage of riders. Most if not all the XS /S size frames reach is between 365-375. Also fixed 42cm handlebar width is also a very big con.
What about saddle positions... It doesn't make sense for small people. They won't be able to get the saddle close enough over the bottom bracket. Am I missing something?
I've been looking for an old beater bike to buy as my dedicated indoor trainer bike; this looks much better when I can get the frame by itself (already have the Zwift One Hub). I wonder what that's going to cost?
How much do you think the frame is going to be? For the same money you could probably pick up a decent 'real' bike. My TCR C2 cost be about 500€. I can stick the wheel back on and ride it outside.
@@aidanearl I have a bike I ride outside already, it's just a pain switching it back and forth to the trainer. During the winter it's so easy to be consistent; just go out to the garage and jump on, no prep work beyond firing up Zwift. Plus, my daughter has shown an interest and having an adjustable frame would make it so we can both use it.
I find it odd that there is no subscription bundled with this, especially that you cannot use it with anything else. I will buy when they'll bundle a 1 year subscription as well with this price.
Would like to have seen some kind of foot shoe for the front that would spread the load somewhat. It's a small footprint that will sink into most mats, including the kickr one. That and an optional fork footer that would fit with the Kickr climb.
Exactly what I was hoping for! However, it would be a *huge* deal breaker for me if you can't replace the chain ring. Since it's a normal chain, it will wear out both itself as well as the cog and chain ring. If you can't replace it you basically need to fork out for an entire new frame whenever it gets worn out...
I would love to see direct connect. Maybe when you can connect with other KICKRs. I love the total reliability of a wired connection. Since I ride other platforms though, the virtual shifting is still dead for me.
Any idea if they are going to sell the Ride Play controllers separately? I already have the regular Play controllers and use old shifters but it would be nice to have it all built into one unit that shifts similar to di2 shifters.
Interesting given the sync up with Wahoo at the back that it's not compatible with things like the kickr rise. Or is that black bit on the front leg removable and some sort of fork thing is coming soon?
the fact they don't even have a chain protector for the sweat is an indication of how ill thought out this product is, let alone actually designing it with the best components rather than just stripping a normal bike down as much as possible. Totally agree with you. The trainer itself uses a belt...why they didn't also use one for the bike section baffles me.
Wait until the aluminum handlebar corrodes from salt and sweat and the bottom bracket needs replacing. People will wish they used a normal bike with replaceable parts.
What i dont understand about zwift is, how does it make your mike automaticially harder when you are on a mountain, or something like that? Do i have to do this stuff manually or is it automated? I really need to know before buying, please help.
I just ordered the zwift ride. Do you know if it is possible to mount toe clips on the pedals that comes with the bike? To be used by several persons who doesn't have bike shoes 😂
Hey Shane, I'm super interested in how you get on with changing your handlebars, actually I too think not having the option for adjustable cranks is a miss too. Did you say or did I dream it - the chain doesn't need any lube?
I have had this exact idea for a few years now! I think it’s a very good idea in principle. I would buy one when it becomes a available without the trainer as I already have that part!
Awesome work once again Shane. Love developments in the indoor space and this is yet another one. I can see this area growing with more products to follow which will cover almost all requirements.
I was hoping that the front of the bike would have an elevation gain hydraulic but that would probably make it much more expensive so a question is, can this frame be hooked up to one of those fork elevators to simulate hills? Another great video. Really appreciate this channel and very grateful for your expertise.
The bottle tossing at the end 😂😂
That's pretty incredible value for the initial launch.
Would get the bike by itself I’ll be waiting for that
They have the pricing right. Love that a few people in the same household can adjust the bike to suit them. I think it's a winner.
They have insane margins on it.
Yes! The exact reason I am looking at this.
As someone about to set up for indoor cycling I have to disagree. I see I have the choice of kickr core + year of zwift (which includes either the virtual shifting and hub or a cassette) or for £600 more I can get no free year of zwift and this zwift ride frame, effectively making it £800 more if I want a year of zwift.
And, to me, that makes no sense. Even if I didn't have a bike or I didn't want to use my bikes. I don't understand at all why this sku wouldn't include a free year of zwift.
As for multiple people using it, I'm hesitant on that given the limited saddle fore/aft movement - others will complain about the fixed crank length too although I'm not convinced that is such a big deal. You know there's just about enough fore / aft on my saddles to fit them to a frame that's pretty damn close to the right size, for me. If I had to put someone else on my bike who was significantly shorter or taller and put the saddle in the right place? We're going to struggle without getting fancy seatposts etc.
Look at the fore/aft saddle adjustment on a wattbike atom - that's what you need for "one size fits all" - and I bet without looking the other smart bikes are the same. You need something that slides back and forth by several cm not a few mm.
And the irony is, if I get the kickr core + year of zwift with free cassette, I'm actually less tied into zwift even though I've effectively bought a year of zwift - than if I buy this, which I have to use on zwift, but they don't even include it in the (higher) price. That makes zero sense from a consumer pov. Even the kickr core + hub is easier to switch away to another platform whereas if zwift goes out of business or you find reasons not to use it, you have an expensive chocolate teapot that's shaped a bit like a bike in your garage - whereas if you got the kickr core, a year of zwift, cassette included and a bike, whatever a cheap hybrid - and then after a year of zwift you thought "It's not for me" you'd still have a bike you can use as a bike outdoors and that lots of people would buy because there's a bigger market for bikes than there are for zwift rides - and the trainer can be used on other platforms and someone would buy that.
I was waiting for this all day
I was working on this all day.... 🤣
@@gplama was it 2 hours for the trainer disappearing + frame dropping + dust cloud animation, 1 hour for editing all for a 9 minute video? Those little animations can take forever IME...
@@aarondcmedia9585 hahha! Spot on.
Hmm aero tubing - that bike will be so much faster on the flats - wouldn't it be something if they incorporated a weight scale into the saddle to prevent weight doping - lol
I'm surprised nobody else has done this. Especially as it could be done much much cheaper because weight is not an issue - hell as long as you had the shifting system/drivetrain down you could make your own.
Can't wait to see the bar swap. Im looking at miving to the same bars as the Diverge with the 20mm hump and the flair. I sweat so carbon is absolutely out of the question.
Carbon bar is what you want if you sweat a lot. I blew through two aluminum handlebars before I got a composite one off EBay. Been fine since then. Salt isn’t friendly to metal.
@@mikew466 Carbon will fail due to the wet conditions. The best thing is to forgo bar tape on a strictly indoor bicycle and frequently clean the bars.
This smart frame is obiously pointed to people who are dedicated and swearing for Zwift’s name and never look other platforms. Could be neat purchase for them and if same family have more Zwift users, universal frame size which fits for all. Kind of.
Strange they didn't use belt drive instead of chain?
Great video and thanks! Can you swoop out a tri bike on that KICKR CORE ONE trainer if you wanted?
Yep. That’ll work. You’ll need the Zwift Click or Play controllers to change virtual gears.
@@gplama Sweet! And thanks for the quickest reply I've ever had on RUclips. I''ll be training for an IM next April, and don't have my race bike as of today and need start training a little bit and thought for the money..its a no brainer!
Bought the Kickr Core Zwift One back in March. Will certainly get the bike especially as my partner is now interested. Any ideas on the price for the frame only option?
No price indication on the frame alone yet.
I would have loved to see a tilt controller (ala Kicker Climb) on the front "wheel" (post). Maybe as an upgrade/version 2?
Actually in Australia they charging $250 for shipping which was misleading by wahoo in the lead up to launch. Comes to $2550 all up, which is not far off a smart bike from 99bikes when they have a sale…
good review. I'm interested to know what those ali express bars are?
Does it come with a years subscription to zwift might be tempted
No
did anyone get the virtual shifting activated in Rouvy so far? Rouvy connects to the Kickr, but I can't shift as it does not recognize to Shifters. Driving in just one gear is not soooo much fun, actually ...
Hi, thx for this review ! Any idea when it's get available without with Home trainer only the Frame and most important how much ? bye
Great video! Btw can you tilt the shifters (inside) or they have position possible?
Yep, the shifters can be moved around a little. I'll take them off in a few days for my bar swap. I'll get some footage of that.
Damn, I would purchase it (I currently own a Kickr v5 and Climb, but looking for a dedicated bike setup). As a tall rider though the 170mm cranks seem like a huge miss #ouchmyknees.. why didn't Zwift use the 'claw' type crank to have 5 length options.. or at least a standard crank so it can be swapped out (hopefully we can)
Also, it would have been awesome if they integrated the fork with Wahoo, so it can be used for the Kickr Climb. If I go for the Zwift Ride frame, I probably have to sell the Climb.
Sick of having new tech launch as bundles. I bought a kickr core years ago and still can't get a hub on its own. Everything new I need to buy my trainer again to use the new stuff
Just wondering if it will work with rouvy?
Only in ERG.
i like lunch prices 😉
Loose change menu! (fixed) ;)
@@gplama lovely! not gonna lie, when my saris h3 dies this is the kind of route i want to go down. this is a really cool and innovative set up. i really like it. my only query is over the stability of the 'fork'
The front end is rock solid. Likely more ground contact surface area than using a wheel (I didn't get to that level of detail).
Now, do I sell the Kickr V5 and get this lot or, wait for virtual shifting on the V5?
Would have been nice to have a wireless charger in that pad
Doesn’t look like it’s compatible with the Kickr Climb?
Not without a welder. 👨🏭
Will it work on the Tacx Neo?
No
Hi Shane, is there enough conductivity for Apple TV? I watched the DC Rainmaker video, he had some issues with using the Zwift companion app. I think I’ll be an early adopter for this.
I don’t have any issues with the Companion App or ATV (other than the connection limits). I run the App on an iPhone 12 with a solid WiFi setup in the Lama Lab.
Ok thanks Shane.
I’m having a problem seeing why this would be advantageous over spending 400$ on a triban 120 instead. Cheaper, and works exactly the same for all intent and purpose.
still having a chain that will wear out may cause power variations? I don't like the no fork front end. Seems weird but I do like the adjustability to get the fit dialed in. Please tell me its aluminum and not steel
there's literally no reason to have a wheel. It's weird to have one. In fact I've built a stand for my bike so that the QR skewer goes into a block of wood so I don't have a wheel taking up more space or ruining my wheel with sweat. there's lots on this bike that is ill thought out...the no front wheel is actually smart. I'm surprised they don't have a vibration add on or it built in to replicate cobbles and rough roads when using the simulators. And suspension options for MTBers.
i don't think you've mentioned it, but are the stock handlebars adjustable for width? if not how wide are they?
No width adjustable handlebars are very rare. Stock bars are 42cm width. Those measurements are covered in this video.
What rocker plate would be recommended with this set up?
Something that's at least 1360mm long.
Currently have a kickr core - I store the bike by lifting the front and it sits with its front wheel straight upward (top tube pointing straight up). Is this possible with the Ride?
The manual supplied says not to do this. Likely only because the bike is so damn heavy. If you want to live on the edge, I'm sure it'd work. (*Not a recommendation. YMMV. Don't sue me. etc) :)
@@gplama Thanks !! (And if I do, that's on me, not anyone else!!!!!!)
Link for AliExpress handle bars please
Search for RXL SL Carbon over there.
Thank you
I'm just about to move into a new place and the only space I'll have for my trainer is upstairs. This is a great solution for those who don't want to be taking a daily driver up and down stairs when you want a training session.
You drive your bike? 🤡
That's really nice but the crank arm length could be a deal breaker. I'll stay tuned!
Yeah, I'm assuming it'll be interchangeable... with the loss of the lovely aesthetics of course.
Obviously it would push up the price, but adjustable crank length without having to change the cranks would be a big improvement
@gplama What is the minimum distance from the saddle nose to the centre of the BB. With a fairly long TT, smaller riders may need a lot of Fore adjustment of the saddle to get the right fit.
Thanks 👍🏻
@@phil_d Measurements to the middle of the saddle (not the tip) to centre BB: Min: 171.8mm. Max: 245.6mm
@gplama Thanks Shane! I'll wait to see if 160mm crank lengths are an option 😉
Wow this solves my problem of having 2 bikes!
Good to see some acknowledgement that climbing gears should be as low as 30/36..... (Waiting for all the flatlanders who have to cross the occasional bridge to scream "WHAAAAAT- 39/23 is fine....")
30 small chainring and 36 cassette?
Is there some type of stand to keep the front “fork” in place on the floor. Does it feel like it slips when you stand to pedal?
I've now watched several video reviews that say it is stable. When you think about it, a regular bike's front wheel has even less contact with the ground.
Shane you are by far one of the best youtube reviewers out there. In fact one of the best reviewers full stop! No nonsense, tell it like it is and a bit of humour thrown in too! Keep them coming! Love your work!!!
Thanks for the kind words. There's a few of us here on RUclips covering all the new bike tech who really love what we do, sounds like it's showing. Have a good Friday mate!
Feels like a big miss not to make compatible with kikr climb
V2.0 needs an angle
As soon as my Kickr v5 works with virtual shifting, I would love one of these!
Thank God you pointed it out. I have a v5 and did not know it doesn't support it
I'm in the same boat, frustrating that the promised V5 update has not materialized.
Given the v6 has it and it's taking this long for the v5 to get virtual shifting, I no longer believe the v5 will get virtual shifting. There's not much difference between the models.
@@gnatman1102 I messaged Wahoo a couple of weeks ago, they say it's still on the agenda, but still no release date. I'm on V5 also.
I hope they sell the bike with the Zwift cog for current kickr core owners.
Is the V5 Kickr still getting virtual shifting. I've got zwift play & yet to find a legit purpose for them!
Still nothing seen or heard on that front.
Me too !!! My patience is wearing thin
Hope so, they promise it on the Wahoo website. (v5 owner here)
i got a kickr core earlier this year and i have absolutely LOVED indoor cycling, for some reason the "gamefying" just tickles my brain in a way that out door don't. i feel a constant urge to wonna ride despite still being very sore from the day before, i have a cheap bike set up on it but i could deffinitly see myself buying the ride if they offer it without the kickr core. i can especially see the use of changeing handlebar reach and hight being very usefull for me atleast since i dont thing mine are that good on my bike but it being a rather cheap one i don't wonna spend alot of money on trying to fix it when i don't know how. having the option of messing around with the lenghts and finding something optimal without having to change different parts seems very nice for beginners like myself that don't have any experience with bikefit or overall mechanical changes of the bike. overall very exited.
Can't wait for them to include a climb feature into the fork post.
First takeaway from the start. Second is crank length
Agree. I think they missed a trick there. Include that and it's complete for the zwift experience
That would increase the price and also cannibalise their Kickr Bike sales.
This looks good but I'm outside their weight range. How far can I push my luck?
There’s only one way to know.
This looks amazing, when my stages gives up I’ll get one of these bad boys
Still happy with my lovely aluminium bike and Kickr Core
Great review Shane, its time to take the covers off those crank arms and see if we can swap them, absolute deal breaker having only 170mm, makes me wonder if Zwift really understands serious cyclists
Hopefully won't be too long before it's available without the Kickr Core. I already have one of those!
You could DIY this and save $300 but, for a ready-to-go solution, this is pretty decent.
RUclips says you've been a sub for six years! Thanks for the support for the long term mate!
Most likely the DIY version of this could also be used as an actual bike when needed.
@@gplama I think I found your channel via some Reddit post - I appreciate what you do and hope you'll keep at it!
@@aidanearl Mine could; I have a Kickr Core ($650), a pair of Zwift Play controllers ($99), a singlespeed cog ($50 for a nice one with spacers and lockring), and a 2001 Specialized Allez ($200) that just lives on the trainer - a big improvement from moving my road bike back and forth multiple times a week. I actually rode the Allez around the block when I got it and, besides riding like a 23 year-old bike, it was fine.
For everyone who done lot of especially indoor cycling remember to check seat post occasionally that it isn’t seized. It hasn’t happened for me yet but this is as a reminder. Easier to sell bike forward when needed.
This is a very smart idea. Interesting that they’ve been slowly working on elements of this over time. I’ll be looking at picking one of these up. The adjustable frame will also be useful for pre-purchase bike fitting.
good thought, a really cheap bike fitting bike i guess 🧐
@@martinmeil9568if I can get a adjustable length crank onto it too it’ll be even better.
it’s absurd. why not just buy a cheap frame and trainer? they’re selling a steel frame that’s heavy, can’t be ridden outside, and is as expensive as a whole mid-range bicycle. it’s such a confusing product.
feels like a miss not having some sort of climb integration or variable cranks lengths
Couple of things if you don't mind please. Can you still use it with a cassette on the Core, with a straight chain line. And can the bar tape be easily changed, does the rubber round the controllers peel back easily like a normal STI? Thanks
1. I haven’t tried this. Maybe. Possibly chain width issues.
2. Easy. Tape can be replaced.
No support for wahoo kickr climb it seems, but almost seems like it will be possible in the future?
Having already purchased a zwift hub one, they need to offer the bike as a standalone option. Definitely makes more sense as a package than shelling out over £3k for a wahoo bike
Great idea and mostly well done execution but that pricing is insane (oops maybe not, I thought it was the bike only at that price. With the trainer that is not bad at all !}. Canadian here still waiting on the zwift play controllers that would love to put a dumpster find bike setup single speed on my trainer for next to nothing.
Canada is attached to the US. Just walk over and pick some up? It's not far! ;)
Hi Shane, is there anyway the cog v1 can be soundproofed as the noise is driving me up the wall. Would be great if there is a way as there seems to be lot's of posts about this on Reddit but no answer.
What would be the best interactive screen, apple tv attached to a TV, large iPad screen, or your laptop computer/also connected to your tv is so equipped or standalone laptop. At first, I was thinking this came with a screen as well, but alas it doesn't. Any direction would be helpful. Maybe showing your setup may be helpful. Thanks in advance.
Looks good. Having an SB20 could be a good switch. Shame the front section isn’t a charging pad. Great review as always 👍😎
Hi, if i buy the bundle with the zwift core included. Can i then move the cog to my kickr 6 and be running without buying Extras, and then just sell the core as brand new second hand? Best regards
I ordered one last week and got an email with a DPD tracking number. Unfortunately the tracking number is not showing on the system I'm not getting much stasifaction from Zwift in tracking it. All I am getting from them is that it has been shipped and they are looking into it. I would be cautious before ordering. For the record i am in Ireland.
Will the seat tube be fully removable to swap (and available to buy separately of course)? Saddles are one of the few things that my wife and I are totally incompatible with. Otherwise the quick adjustments would work for us. Thanks for the overview Shane 👍
This is something I have inquired from a few bike brands like Canyon on. Been wanting bike brands to offer a partial build option for a frame/groupset to be specially used on virtual trainers.
The minimum reach still is very long for a huge percentage of riders. Most if not all the XS /S size frames reach is between 365-375. Also fixed 42cm handlebar width is also a very big con.
GPL< sorry I missed it by someone, but is this compat w/ Wahoo Climb?
What about saddle positions... It doesn't make sense for small people. They won't be able to get the saddle close enough over the bottom bracket. Am I missing something?
I have those measurements... somewhere. I'm tapping out for a few hours. 2:30am here.
Sell us just the bars zwift!
it's interesting, but with already having an old bike on the kickr core, no real need buy this :)
Thanks Shane. Great job as usual. No comment on your bottle throws though.
Looks like a great option for anyone using Zwift. I don't so not for me.
Fair comment. Good reasoning. Respectful. Polite. Thank you!
I've been looking for an old beater bike to buy as my dedicated indoor trainer bike; this looks much better when I can get the frame by itself (already have the Zwift One Hub).
I wonder what that's going to cost?
How much do you think the frame is going to be? For the same money you could probably pick up a decent 'real' bike. My TCR C2 cost be about 500€. I can stick the wheel back on and ride it outside.
@@aidanearl I have a bike I ride outside already, it's just a pain switching it back and forth to the trainer. During the winter it's so easy to be consistent; just go out to the garage and jump on, no prep work beyond firing up Zwift. Plus, my daughter has shown an interest and having an adjustable frame would make it so we can both use it.
I find it odd that there is no subscription bundled with this, especially that you cannot use it with anything else. I will buy when they'll bundle a 1 year subscription as well with this price.
Would like to have seen some kind of foot shoe for the front that would spread the load somewhat. It's a small footprint that will sink into most mats, including the kickr one. That and an optional fork footer that would fit with the Kickr climb.
Kickr Climb, will need to get the drill out.
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I bought a Wahoo Kickr and an $80 Decathlon bike (24spd Triple) off Ebay. I'm struggling to think why I'd spend about $700 on a Zwift frame.
Value means very different things to different people.
They should use the Canyon handlebar with adjustable barwidth.
Exactly what I was hoping for! However, it would be a *huge* deal breaker for me if you can't replace the chain ring. Since it's a normal chain, it will wear out both itself as well as the cog and chain ring. If you can't replace it you basically need to fork out for an entire new frame whenever it gets worn out...
I would love to see direct connect. Maybe when you can connect with other KICKRs. I love the total reliability of a wired connection. Since I ride other platforms though, the virtual shifting is still dead for me.
Any idea if they are going to sell the Ride Play controllers separately? I already have the regular Play controllers and use old shifters but it would be nice to have it all built into one unit that shifts similar to di2 shifters.
No indication they'll update the Play Controllers.
Feels like this was something another brand / manufacturer came up with and sold to zwift when their tron bike idea died. 🤔
Interesting given the sync up with Wahoo at the back that it's not compatible with things like the kickr rise. Or is that black bit on the front leg removable and some sort of fork thing is coming soon?
This really should have been developed with a belt. Missed a big opportunity to have a really good product with one.
the fact they don't even have a chain protector for the sweat is an indication of how ill thought out this product is, let alone actually designing it with the best components rather than just stripping a normal bike down as much as possible. Totally agree with you. The trainer itself uses a belt...why they didn't also use one for the bike section baffles me.
Wait until the aluminum handlebar corrodes from salt and sweat and the bottom bracket needs replacing. People will wish they used a normal bike with replaceable parts.
I already own a Kickr Core. Is this “frame” available separately (in the US)?
Not at this point. Soon.
I'm taking it that the Wahoo Climb is not compatible with the Zwift fork?
@@jimfaber1443correct
@@jimfaber1443 not as-is. The Climb needs a fork. This is a single peg-leg.
What i dont understand about zwift is, how does it make your mike automaticially harder when you are on a mountain, or something like that? Do i have to do this stuff manually or is it automated? I really need to know before buying, please help.
This might help: ruclips.net/video/39hDZxDPlrg/видео.htmlsi=WaXjt_L5llLz4KhB
Will Zwift Frame compatible with Garmin Smart trainer i.e. Neo 2T?
The frame will physically install on the Neo trainers. Garmin will need to release a firmware update to support virtual shifting to make it work.
Do the buttons work if you don’t have zwift turned on?
No
If only it had different crank lengths, unusable for me with 170’s
I’m hoping with all this feedback they’ll offer some different options with crank lengths at some point.
The Zwift Wheel/Zwift Bike concept from a few years ago now became the reality.
This seems like a great solution. Definitely on my list as elements of current setup slowly wear out, breakdown and generally die. Price is ok too.
I just ordered the zwift ride. Do you know if it is possible to mount toe clips on the pedals that comes with the bike? To be used by several persons who doesn't have bike shoes 😂
It’ll take any standard threaded pedal type.
How stable is the front "fork" because I get that a lot of stability comes from the rear trainer but 1 pole seems sleek but is it stable in sprints?
Rock solid. More contact area with the ground than a wheel. It also won’t roll forward.
Can you shift gears with just the frame or do you still need the Zwift Click?
The levers the frame comes with have buttons for the virtual shifting.
Hey Shane, I'm super interested in how you get on with changing your handlebars, actually I too think not having the option for adjustable cranks is a miss too. Did you say or did I dream it - the chain doesn't need any lube?
Chain comes lubed. It’ll need a top up after a few 1,000kms I’m sure.
Is the "bike" alone available for users which own already a Wahoo Kickr?
6:40 in the video. Not initially but soon.
I have had this exact idea for a few years now! I think it’s a very good idea in principle. I would buy one when it becomes a available without the trainer as I already have that part!
Awesome work once again Shane. Love developments in the indoor space and this is yet another one. I can see this area growing with more products to follow which will cover almost all requirements.
This is great. When our kickr bike dies, this will be the replacement.
I was hoping that the front of the bike would have an elevation gain hydraulic but that would probably make it much more expensive so a question is, can this frame be hooked up to one of those fork elevators to simulate hills?
Another great video. Really appreciate this channel and very grateful for your expertise.
No.