What a fantastic question. I’d take Arden, but with modern day skills. Just imagine the reaction, “How did that Arden jump to another space, and WHY DIDN’T HE TAKE DAMAGE?!?”
4:02 Ah yes, Claude's signature [Deep Wounds] skill, which prevents the foe from healing so he can kill them deader! I would just run Fatal Smoke on Zelgius, he can player phase and then gain [Deep Star] for an 80% damage reduction in both phases! 😄
We’ve waited a long time for it, but Bridal Catria’s reign of terror has finally has a counter. Best of luck to those summoning for Heather for her Ruse skill!
Zelgius main niche as a savior will be that Lightless Luna can work against both melee as well as Ranged foes while Armored Beacon/Floe only work against ranged units so he is the only Near Savior option that can get special DR without needing a defensive special(until IS releases a melee version of Armored Beacon/Floe)
Duo Sanaki is a very nasty unit on AR-D. Ploy 4 skills are absolutely devastating to any tanking strategies. Some of the most annoying maps can put two Ploy units to cover all the columns in the map (like double Embla maps do), and now Sanaki can take on the role of both inflicting Ploy and being a nuke. As a consequence, facing her in Arena will be a painful ordeal too, as you'd be very hard pressed to tank her when she strips away your DR effects and hits with a bunch of true damage. Ninja Corrin still holds up in Arena (despite the anti-Cav maps), and Ninja Sanaki can do everything Ninjorrin does better, while scoring way more. The only mode where Sanaki might be more difficult to use is AR-O, because sadly Harmonic Azura is counted as Path of Radiance, so they don't have synergy. Until we get another Harmonic dancer that can refresh Radiant Dawn units, using a player phase team with Duo Sanaki will be pretty difficult.
Any thoughts of Zelgius as a close saver? I dont think you have a super recent close save list and id love to see something like that! And a soren partner saver list maybe
Only thing that changes is a better A slot, probably being fireflood boost, and that really wouldn't improve his survival much. Best near save would probably be hardy fighter Fomortiis still.
Zelgius, just like every other far save, needs ss4. The nukes of the last months focus on dr and i honestly belive that ss4 is the best b skill for most Armors now.
Actually, when I looked at Duo Sanaki's weapon effect....you might have underestimate the weapon considering that there's no limit to the DR piercing. Meaning she can easily nullify DR with full debuffs. Even -6 visible debuff to all stats alone nearly cuts all DR at 96% pierce. That's not all, the enemy has Exposure AND her weapon also deals true DMG (at this case, -6 visible debuff will deal 6 additional True DMG) so normally Duo Sanaki cam easily deal at least 16 DMG just from those conditions. Then follow it up with Flared Mirror (7 Dmg when initiating or 14 Dmg when initiating with Divine Vein Flame effect). So from base kit alone, she can deal at least 20 damage even against enemies with high DR.
@FEH Fair enough, considering Hinoka has the Sweep effect AND Claude having InstaSpecial WITHOUT getting Scowled. The only difference between them and Sanaki is that Sanaki is a tome user targeting Res while Claude and Hinoka targeting Def. Most armors have high Def and low Res, but then again... they mostly deal true DMG anyways
I audibly screamed when Heather was shown, I’m beyond happy to have her in the game! This ninja banner is quite interesting, hoping I can get everyone before spark.
I have 600 orbs saved up, and Zelgius is one of my favorite characters in the series and I want to make him a merge project. I’ve got W!BK at +10 and OG!Zelgius at +8. But I’m also a PoR/RD collector, so I want at least one copy of Sanaki and Heather too along the way. Also I’m not interested in Reina or her fodder. Since Reina is color sharing with Heather, is it more efficient to skip greens, only pulling red/blue and spark Heather? I would stop red too once I get a Sanaki and only pull blue until I run out of orbs
I was expecting an infantry Zelgius but this character will always get thrown around by either Claude and L!Hinoka. Even with the drive scowl support. I think I think Im gonna pass on this banner and just spark for Attuned Peony instead before that banner expires. Im also on the lookout for L!Dimitri's refine. I heard he's gonna be in the offensive as opposed to B!Dimitri, who is better on the defensive.
I am absolutely pulling Sanaki and Heather, my Hit and Run needs some help on Astra and Ruse on Heiðr will help my tanking strats so much. Astra has been such a pain lately. Edit: Will need to see if Ruse works on her actually; can give it to Reginn if not.
personally im skipping and debating on getting another Veyle or just save up for the innevitable comeback of the Green Banner. Claude, Soidr, Heidr amd Brave Edelgard :P jk… legendary Alear or R!Sonya
@@fireembliam9090 the green mythic cav who was given for free... I cant really write her name down.. Seidr? but that's what I think it sounds like? idk lol.
> no piercing on Special So the final version of Black Luna will have its original effect + Armored Beacon/Floe DR + ignoring DR, huh? lol That means we have another set of BK/Zelgius coming in the future.
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Overall I’m only interested in Ruse 4, I mean Heather, but I got no orbs since I was trying to get Halloween Sakura for Dagger Valor lol. I think we will get additional units with Ruse 4, so I’m skipping this banner. We are inching closer to units who have the potential to win AHR. I’m curious if this year’s ninja units will be strong contenders or not like N!Lyn and N!Corrin of yesteryears
I really wish they didn't make it so you have to rally first to get the Schism. If it was just like Ploy where you just need a certain stat lower that would have been so much better, because I agree with you, the thought of using a turn in Summoner Duels to get it to activate seems like a turn wasted...
Special Spiral 4 Zelgius should be a really good Claude counter, and a lot of that has to do with his attack shred/lightless Luna combo. As well as just really high hp. I run Spiral 4 Arden and it is overkill vs Claude. I've also done spiral 4 Picnic Felicia and really what's important with these builds is surviving the first lethality which Zelgius can very much do. Spiral 4 is really expensive though and you have to go out of your way to get it. Honestly I don't see Hinoka killing him? Even with armor effectiveness. The attack shred he has alongside the attack shred that comes from her having color disadvantage and the 2 forms of DR. I've seen Hinoka miss the kill on my Gatekeeper. In fact the worse she has ever done was 4×2 and she has color advantage against him. I think Zelgius is fine. Funny how the best Zelgius builds all have to do with basically getting rid of most of his base kit.
Im super excited about zelgius.... I just... Am kinda sad he doesnt get an extra action without removing what makes him unique? So unfortunately i feel like it's gotta be far save duties for him... But hes unique in that he will be a much better mixed near/far save. Wondering if hed make a good pair with someone who can grant him external charge So yeah i will be summoning, excited for all of these units even though i am still a bit weary of zelgius's place in the meta!
Sain, Heior , and this heather can use this ruse to gain action. Annette and Astrid is ok user for this skill. triangle strike is petty dead in SD because 2-3unit getting hit is almost enough to stop it mostly. Double strike seems more useable than triangle attack now.
@@FEH thanks, my fingers are crossed too. Considering its going to be near 2030 at this rate before she gets her refine, I'm expecting something big and very likely something we don't have yet, but will have then. But based on what effects we have currently, something like: - make triangle attack always active (cannot be purged) and dual phase for herself specifically (essentially make her weapon into dual phase brave for herself with triangle attack as a buff for others). - a tempo effect - more stats (obviously) - NFU - upgrade the orders buff to aerial maneuvers effect (2 space warping) as well. It seems busted now, but this is a nearly 2030 refine we are talking about here if IS doesn't increase the rate of refines very soon, so it will likely be mediocre by then.
I just did a test and Even/Odd Recovery seems to nullify Schism and allow a foe to triangle attack. I may be missing something since understanding anything at all in this game is phd levels of complicated now, but please correct me should I be wrong.
You are definitely not missing something. Vandarf has an excellent video on this, and you should check it out. The question is, is this intended or will they fix it. My guess is, it’s intended, and it means healers just got a lot better.
One thing I’ve noticed this that this time the Duo skill description does not have the “may be used once per map” thingy that was there in previous ninja banner trailers. Could it be that this duo skill can be used every turn?
Okay one last comment, I was baffled by Sanaki's nonsense so I actually ran the numbers assuming I read everything correctly, with just herself alone and NO SUPPORT! with base kit Even if she were to hit you for 0x4 and didn't proc iceberg She pierces 80% DR on all hits, deals 7 damage guaranteed, 30 Flat Damage on EVERY hit (20 from her weapon and the penalties she herself inflicts, 10 from exposure) so even if you're Yune and have 100% DR, the MINIMUM she will hit you for is 7+24x2 for a total of 55 damage, 62 if you're standing in Divine Vein Flame I'm aware damage alone wont make this unit meta, but I think it's safe to call her the best nuke, since unlike Hinoka or Claude who *can* be outsped to halve their damage, Sanaki will simply remove a unit from the field unless they're blue, have 80+ Res and 63+ HP, since, reminder, this is FLAT/TRUE DAMAGE ALONE! and does not account for inflicting a Spd penalty through supports (100% DR piercing and 36 damage on every hit with just 6/6/7/7 penalties) And no, neutralizing penalties doesn't work, since she can use the ones on target or any foe within 2 of her target, which means even if ALL your team has penalty immunity, she'll still get max value...
Reminder that Freyr only removes debuffs if they happen right at the start of the phase. If the debuffs are from something like a ruse skill, that happens DURING the turn, he doesn’t do anything. So there’s still plenty of ways for Sanaki to completely obliterate his allies.
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if you could time travel back in time to the gen1/2 reinhardt era, which modern unit(s) would you take with you?
What a fantastic question. I’d take Arden, but with modern day skills. Just imagine the reaction, “How did that Arden jump to another space, and WHY DIDN’T HE TAKE DAMAGE?!?”
4:02 Ah yes, Claude's signature [Deep Wounds] skill, which prevents the foe from healing so he can kill them deader!
I would just run Fatal Smoke on Zelgius, he can player phase and then gain [Deep Star] for an 80% damage reduction in both phases! 😄
If that was another Duo Altina I would've went absolutely nuts
It's my dream duo Oblivion it finally happened
@@giratinalight You were exactly who I thought of first lol
@@Oblivionknight Oh lol thanks for thinking of me!
Sorry replied late but I had uni classes. xD
I was really hoping it was just so we could do a +10 live stream 😎
We’ve waited a long time for it, but Bridal Catria’s reign of terror has finally has a counter. Best of luck to those summoning for Heather for her Ruse skill!
At least she’s green! May RNGesus smile upon us all.
We’ve waited a long time for it, but the time when the older nukes in your barracks had the faintest chance of being relevant is finally over!
All that's left to be countered is Embla...
Zelgius main niche as a savior will be that Lightless Luna can work against both melee as well as Ranged foes while Armored Beacon/Floe only work against ranged units so he is the only Near Savior option that can get special DR without needing a defensive special(until IS releases a melee version of Armored Beacon/Floe)
Duo Sanaki is a very nasty unit on AR-D. Ploy 4 skills are absolutely devastating to any tanking strategies. Some of the most annoying maps can put two Ploy units to cover all the columns in the map (like double Embla maps do), and now Sanaki can take on the role of both inflicting Ploy and being a nuke.
As a consequence, facing her in Arena will be a painful ordeal too, as you'd be very hard pressed to tank her when she strips away your DR effects and hits with a bunch of true damage.
Ninja Corrin still holds up in Arena (despite the anti-Cav maps), and Ninja Sanaki can do everything Ninjorrin does better, while scoring way more. The only mode where Sanaki might be more difficult to use is AR-O, because sadly Harmonic Azura is counted as Path of Radiance, so they don't have synergy. Until we get another Harmonic dancer that can refresh Radiant Dawn units, using a player phase team with Duo Sanaki will be pretty difficult.
How do you think she’ll do in cav lines on defense?
Winter BK Black Luna'd so Ninja Zelgius could Lightless Luna!
Any thoughts of Zelgius as a close saver? I dont think you have a super recent close save list and id love to see something like that! And a soren partner saver list maybe
Only thing that changes is a better A slot, probably being fireflood boost, and that really wouldn't improve his survival much. Best near save would probably be hardy fighter Fomortiis still.
Zelgius, just like every other far save, needs ss4. The nukes of the last months focus on dr and i honestly belive that ss4 is the best b skill for most Armors now.
He might be the best user of the special spiral build too. He has DR through other means.
I'm thinking about a Ruse 4 skill for Heidr, would have to give up Magic NFU but the Debuffing with Gold Serpent is very strong.
Schism will be a great effect... when it gets put on an offense mythic or a good support unit that has an easier way to activate the effect
Heithr stonks through the roof
Actually, when I looked at Duo Sanaki's weapon effect....you might have underestimate the weapon considering that there's no limit to the DR piercing. Meaning she can easily nullify DR with full debuffs. Even -6 visible debuff to all stats alone nearly cuts all DR at 96% pierce. That's not all, the enemy has Exposure AND her weapon also deals true DMG (at this case, -6 visible debuff will deal 6 additional True DMG) so normally Duo Sanaki cam easily deal at least 16 DMG just from those conditions. Then follow it up with Flared Mirror (7 Dmg when initiating or 14 Dmg when initiating with Divine Vein Flame effect). So from base kit alone, she can deal at least 20 damage even against enemies with high DR.
She’s very good, but would you put her over Hinoka or Claude? That’s the insane bar we have right now.
@FEH Fair enough, considering Hinoka has the Sweep effect AND Claude having InstaSpecial WITHOUT getting Scowled. The only difference between them and Sanaki is that Sanaki is a tome user targeting Res while Claude and Hinoka targeting Def. Most armors have high Def and low Res, but then again... they mostly deal true DMG anyways
I audibly screamed when Heather was shown, I’m beyond happy to have her in the game!
This ninja banner is quite interesting, hoping I can get everyone before spark.
I have 600 orbs saved up, and Zelgius is one of my favorite characters in the series and I want to make him a merge project. I’ve got W!BK at +10 and OG!Zelgius at +8. But I’m also a PoR/RD collector, so I want at least one copy of Sanaki and Heather too along the way. Also I’m not interested in Reina or her fodder. Since Reina is color sharing with Heather, is it more efficient to skip greens, only pulling red/blue and spark Heather? I would stop red too once I get a Sanaki and only pull blue until I run out of orbs
I was expecting an infantry Zelgius but this character will always get thrown around by either Claude and L!Hinoka. Even with the drive scowl support. I think I think Im gonna pass on this banner and just spark for Attuned Peony instead before that banner expires. Im also on the lookout for L!Dimitri's refine. I heard he's gonna be in the offensive as opposed to B!Dimitri, who is better on the defensive.
I am absolutely pulling Sanaki and Heather, my Hit and Run needs some help on Astra and Ruse on Heiðr will help my tanking strats so much. Astra has been such a pain lately.
Edit: Will need to see if Ruse works on her actually; can give it to Reginn if not.
Heather being basically a rally Chrom is super interesting and def scary with that schism built into her kit
I really wanna run vantage Zelgius with B!Robin Support and distant ferocity. That sounds so fun
personally im skipping and debating on getting another Veyle or just save up for the innevitable comeback of the Green Banner. Claude, Soidr, Heidr amd Brave Edelgard :P jk… legendary Alear or R!Sonya
Same
Who is Soidr.
@@fireembliam9090 the green mythic cav who was given for free... I cant really write her name down.. Seidr? but that's what I think it sounds like? idk lol.
> no piercing on Special
So the final version of Black Luna will have its original effect + Armored Beacon/Floe DR + ignoring DR, huh? lol That means we have another set of BK/Zelgius coming in the future.
Well, this is clearly our path ahead for the game
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OMG OMG OMG MY FAVOURITE DUO I'M SO HAPPY I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THEM FOR YEARS THE SISTER DUO IT FINALLY HAPPENED I'M CRYING THEY LOOK SO GOOD
I'M SO HAPPY SHE FINALLY GET A ALT AND IT'S WITH HER SISTER MY DREAM
Joel I'm so happy rn u have no idea I had rough week with my course so this brings me so much joy!🥺💖
I see that you change your RUclips profile image.
Overall I’m only interested in Ruse 4, I mean Heather, but I got no orbs since I was trying to get Halloween Sakura for Dagger Valor lol. I think we will get additional units with Ruse 4, so I’m skipping this banner.
We are inching closer to units who have the potential to win AHR. I’m curious if this year’s ninja units will be strong contenders or not like N!Lyn and N!Corrin of yesteryears
I really wish they didn't make it so you have to rally first to get the Schism. If it was just like Ploy where you just need a certain stat lower that would have been so much better, because I agree with you, the thought of using a turn in Summoner Duels to get it to activate seems like a turn wasted...
Special Spiral 4 Zelgius should be a really good Claude counter, and a lot of that has to do with his attack shred/lightless Luna combo. As well as just really high hp. I run Spiral 4 Arden and it is overkill vs Claude. I've also done spiral 4 Picnic Felicia and really what's important with these builds is surviving the first lethality which Zelgius can very much do. Spiral 4 is really expensive though and you have to go out of your way to get it.
Honestly I don't see Hinoka killing him? Even with armor effectiveness. The attack shred he has alongside the attack shred that comes from her having color disadvantage and the 2 forms of DR. I've seen Hinoka miss the kill on my Gatekeeper. In fact the worse she has ever done was 4×2 and she has color advantage against him. I think Zelgius is fine.
Funny how the best Zelgius builds all have to do with basically getting rid of most of his base kit.
Im super excited about zelgius....
I just... Am kinda sad he doesnt get an extra action without removing what makes him unique?
So unfortunately i feel like it's gotta be far save duties for him... But hes unique in that he will be a much better mixed near/far save.
Wondering if hed make a good pair with someone who can grant him external charge
So yeah i will be summoning, excited for all of these units even though i am still a bit weary of zelgius's place in the meta!
Sain, Heior , and this heather can use this ruse to gain action. Annette and Astrid is ok user for this skill. triangle strike is petty dead in SD because 2-3unit getting hit is almost enough to stop it mostly. Double strike seems more useable than triangle attack now.
We finally have a ranged Cav with DR piercing without relying on Specials. DuoSanaki will be a fantastic addition to Cavlines users.
The introduction of Ruse 4 (schism) had better mean that my girl Catria is not put into refine jail and gets a busted refine when its her turn.
I’m crossing my fingers. What would you want to see out of the refine?
@@FEH thanks, my fingers are crossed too.
Considering its going to be near 2030 at this rate before she gets her refine, I'm expecting something big and very likely something we don't have yet, but will have then.
But based on what effects we have currently, something like:
- make triangle attack always active (cannot be purged) and dual phase for herself specifically (essentially make her weapon into dual phase brave for herself with triangle attack as a buff for others).
- a tempo effect
- more stats (obviously)
- NFU
- upgrade the orders buff to aerial maneuvers effect (2 space warping) as well.
It seems busted now, but this is a nearly 2030 refine we are talking about here if IS doesn't increase the rate of refines very soon, so it will likely be mediocre by then.
How's lelincia on t2? She can enable some incredible play
I just did a test and Even/Odd Recovery seems to nullify Schism and allow a foe to triangle attack. I may be missing something since understanding anything at all in this game is phd levels of complicated now, but please correct me should I be wrong.
You are definitely not missing something. Vandarf has an excellent video on this, and you should check it out. The question is, is this intended or will they fix it. My guess is, it’s intended, and it means healers just got a lot better.
@@FEH Dang, I finally thought there was an absolute way of nulling that Bridal Curse for good....
im saving in this ninja banner, i want throw some for the L!Dimitri if he's weapon have a very good refine! time will tell
I’m just curious but how come staff elincia isn’t up there as a nuke? She hits pretty darn hard has a ton of speed.
Well, they finally landed a clean hit on B!Catria, but alas it's kinda
dissapointing W!Cordelia was also caught in the crossfire as well.
pls tell me lightless luna can be given to OG BK
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I'm disappointed the duo unit is not Kaze and Saizo...
I know.
Doesnt claude only block the first hit with his dr
You are correct, but it classifies the first hit as both hits in a brave attack. Reading these feels like parsing through a law book 😅
@@FEHI see
ZELGIUS IS REAL
And he’s good!!! I want to see him with special spiral 4.
One thing I’ve noticed this that this time the Duo skill description does not have the “may be used once per map” thingy that was there in previous ninja banner trailers. Could it be that this duo skill can be used every turn?
I don’t think so, but I’ve been wrong before. That would be really busted.
I think I can safely skip and try to finish +10 N!Camilla.
Okay one last comment, I was baffled by Sanaki's nonsense so I actually ran the numbers
assuming I read everything correctly, with just herself alone and NO SUPPORT! with base kit
Even if she were to hit you for 0x4 and didn't proc iceberg
She pierces 80% DR on all hits, deals 7 damage guaranteed, 30 Flat Damage on EVERY hit (20 from her weapon and the penalties she herself inflicts, 10 from exposure)
so even if you're Yune and have 100% DR, the MINIMUM she will hit you for is 7+24x2 for a total of 55 damage, 62 if you're standing in Divine Vein Flame
I'm aware damage alone wont make this unit meta, but I think it's safe to call her the best nuke, since unlike Hinoka or Claude who *can* be outsped to halve their damage, Sanaki will simply remove a unit from the field unless they're blue, have 80+ Res and 63+ HP, since, reminder, this is FLAT/TRUE DAMAGE ALONE! and does not account for inflicting a Spd penalty through supports (100% DR piercing and 36 damage on every hit with just 6/6/7/7 penalties)
And no, neutralizing penalties doesn't work, since she can use the ones on target or any foe within 2 of her target, which means even if ALL your team has penalty immunity, she'll still get max value...
Saneki in Anima season is gonna despise freyr
Reminder that Freyr only removes debuffs if they happen right at the start of the phase. If the debuffs are from something like a ruse skill, that happens DURING the turn, he doesn’t do anything. So there’s still plenty of ways for Sanaki to completely obliterate his allies.
Freyr and Catria are super trash now. Must pull skill.