Incompetent government focusing on an imaginary problem again. Utah has *never* had a mass school shooting from what I can find. Vigilantes protecting 1200 Utah schools, what could go wrong? Our teacher shortage is still a massive, real problem however. In 2021, Utah had a ratio of 22.4 students to one teacher, which is much higher than the national average of 15.4. 13% of Utah teachers were underqualified for their roles during the 2022-2023 school year. (2023 Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute Report)
Just allocate some state budget to pay these people. We protect banks with armed guards, hotels, corporate buildings, public events like sports games and rodeos, but our kids? Nah just some volunteers at best, or a sign that says "gun free zone" at worst.
@@ss-ox6bh i wish, a school district will only have about 2-3 cops total if they are lucky, so it is all elementary sharing one and one at a highschool.
Anyone that would work full time volunteer is not the volunteer you are looking for. Making a law so schools are desperate to find anymore to fill the role? Sheesh..... What a dumb idea
I can't imagine a person willing to work for free. In the long run, transportation costs will be making a job that you pay for, yourself. Get real. Somebody is dreaming.
@@thehellyousay NO! If given the opportunity to protect someone that can’t do it themselves I would happily do it. Let me decide if I want to do something that is for the good vs taking advice from someone who thinks otherwise.
All you who think this is a bad idea, I have a question for you: Q: When a bad guy has a gun, who do you call? A: a good guy with a gun! Average police responce is 15 to 30 mins. Having someone (good guy) "in" the school WILL SAVE LIVES! Plus this removes all schools from being a soft target. In other words, it will prevent shootings before they ever happen.
I approve having armed guards, as a retired Marine I would love to protect students and kids. And to stop someone from hurting kids absolutely. Seeing that police take 30min to respond
Semper Fi brother. I would absolutely do this if I didn't have a small business to run that already takes 50+ hrs a week. PS, my wife works in our local HS. A lot of teachers have their conceal carry, & do at school. (the school's SRO does the class, & the school encourages such teachers to carry. We are in Washington County)
Over 30 states allow teachers to carry. Florida requires every school to have armed protection. I think that's great. But I wouldn't want anonymous people walking the halls of my grandkids' school. Parents should have the right to know who is around their kids in schools.
This state idea is a nightmare waiting to happen. My concern is the person they find to fill this position may not be well-rounded enough to keep from shooting anyone they feel is a threat…. that’s scary! The lawsuits the schools may face if this person shoots a student or mistakenly shoots another kid and probably won’t be wearing a body camera. This is a very dumb idea, Utah!
A sad commentary on the country. Another case of not wanting to spend the money necessary to protect children from being collateral damage of the longstanding misinterpretation second amendment. Basically , they are saying " You want the children protected, you do it and we've passed a law requiring that you have to do it. "
Anyone who thinks that a barely trained volunteer with a gun is going to make our schools safer is absolutely insane! Meanwhile, what happens when one of these volunteers - and remember, nobody is allowed to know who they are, so NO accountability to the parents or students or teachers at all- gets depressed or angry or leaves the gun out where a kid can get it?
@@streamstrissit will very likely be a former military that may have PTSD or someone to at has a hero fantasy, that has extra time on their hands and no other work obligations. Like the retired cop in Florida that shot a guy in a theater over popcorn and a text message to his daughter. High potential to go bad, very quickly.
@@streamstriss I want smarter gun laws. I want more access to mental health. I do not want school employee's to bare the mental stress of having to shoot someone, possibly a student. I want them to not have to live with the guilt and legal issues from what they were or were not able to prevent. I want people like you to stop glossing over the truth of what this is and of what causes it in the first place.
As a state we already have one of the lowest per pupil spending in the nation. Now, even with the already abysmal budgets, we're asking schools to add even more to their plate?
Over 30 states already allow teachers to carry. Nothing bad has ever come from that. Having secret volunteers with parents not allowed to know who they are is the concerning part.
Everyone here stores money in a bank..... Armed by guards. No one on this chat or others complain that guards are guarding their money. Do you think children are not as important as your money?
This is not "modeled after the laws in Texas." In Texas teachers and administrators are the main source. They are already paid to be there, and they have work to do during the school day, so it isn't hiring someone extra who will likely never have to defend the school. (School shootings are very rare, per school.)
There are a lot of desk bound cops who could be reofficed into schools. Detectiives, police administrators, even motor cops need office space. I was an sro and all they need need is the internet, a phone and an office. Even small agenices are top heavy and could help place these offices in schools to increase the safety of our children.
With the amount of unstable people in this country it’s a good idea. Train the administrators that are in the front office away from the children, or hire a full time off duty cop. There should not be a money factor with as much as we pay in school taxes.
My wife works in our local HS. THE AMOUNT OF $ WASTED BY WAY TOO MANY INCOMPETENT "ADMINISTRATORS" can easily pay for this.... if every school district was required to be audited by a competent outside 3rd party auditing team/firm. PS we live in Washington County. They are way way way top heavy. I can only imaging how much more so school districts up north are 😮
I had multiple officers in my small town Utah school growing up, after a man tried to get in with a knife and hurt us in elementary school. It can happen anywhere and it doesn't have to be a gunman. Why would you want to leave children in a gun-free zone unprotected? This is a great decision and one that will ultimately save lives. If you think the world will ever be safe enough to ignore protecting children you are the problem.
Schools aren’t required to be gun free zones. Unless Utah is more restrictive than federal law, anyone with a firearm license of their state can carry on public schools in their state.
All I can say is that I live in one effed up country. The simple fact that we're even talking about stuff like this shows how fundamentally messed up this country is.
The only way this will actually make our schools safer is if all these “guardians” have to go through all the same training as law enforcement, personal security guards, and EMTs; while also holding them legally required to directly and immediately confront any dangers. Schools also need to harden. The fact we spend more on prisoners and take care of felons better than children is abhorrent. Every single student should be provided three meals a day, clothing, shelter, and transportation at no cost to the children, parents, or guardians. All school employees need their pay indexed to inflation; preferably inflation plus 1%.
Boy this is really ridiculous! Trained Police have failed to respond in school crisis situation but these untrained individuals will be going up against someone with a long gun like an AR15. Right, they'll be the first victim!
Wait so you don't pay them? We'll thought about it. Been to Iraq twice and wounded in war, and totally believe there needs to be Armed guards. But the liability and not being paid. No thanks. Good luck.
School Guardians is a great idea for every school in Utah. I'm not certain I agree with their recruitment pool and training for these volunteers. You could target retired police officers to work part-time in these assignments and offer benefits such as no or low-cost insurance for their services. Regardless, armed and properly vetted and trained guardians should have begun years ago.
Welcome to "Cox Country!" Rancher guy won't pay to protect the children. "Those elk are eating all the grass!" 💸💸💸💸💸💸💸 "my sheep are gonna starve on my grazing allotment!" 💸💸💸💸💸 "money to protect the children?" 🐂💩💩💩💩💩💩!
Incompetent government focusing on an imaginary problem again. Utah has *never* had a mass school shooting from what I can find. Vigilantes protecting 1200 Utah schools, what could go wrong? Our teacher shortage is still a massive, real problem however. In 2021, Utah had a ratio of 22.4 students to one teacher, which is much higher than the national average of 15.4. 13% of Utah teachers were underqualified for their roles during the 2022-2023 school year. (2023 Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute Report)
All school employees need their pay indexed to inflation.
Just allocate some state budget to pay these people. We protect banks with armed guards, hotels, corporate buildings, public events like sports games and rodeos, but our kids? Nah just some volunteers at best, or a sign that says "gun free zone" at worst.
I thought that's why they had the school cops there for??
@@ss-ox6bh i wish, a school district will only have about 2-3 cops total if they are lucky, so it is all elementary sharing one and one at a highschool.
The vast majority of Utah schools don't have school cops.
Cops are under no legal obligation to protect anyone.
These guardians need to have legal requirements and HARSH penalties for not protecting people.
Anyone that would work full time volunteer is not the volunteer you are looking for. Making a law so schools are desperate to find anymore to fill the role? Sheesh..... What a dumb idea
I can't imagine a person willing to work for free. In the long run, transportation costs will be making a job that you pay for, yourself. Get real. Somebody is dreaming.
@@YourTransmissionRepair work for free…. Republican dream come true…
@@YourTransmissionRepair I would do it, I am a retired Marine and money or driving isn’t a problem when saving lives are involved
@@MrKn-Crayons stick to windmills, don quixote.
@@thehellyousay NO! If given the opportunity to protect someone that can’t do it themselves I would happily do it. Let me decide if I want to do something that is for the good vs taking advice from someone who thinks otherwise.
All you who think this is a bad idea, I have a question for you:
Q: When a bad guy has a gun, who do you call?
A: a good guy with a gun!
Average police responce is 15 to 30 mins. Having someone (good guy) "in" the school WILL SAVE LIVES!
Plus this removes all schools from being a soft target. In other words, it will prevent shootings before they ever happen.
Only a radical red state would pass something so ridiculous.
I approve having armed guards, as a retired Marine I would love to protect students and kids. And to stop someone from hurting kids absolutely. Seeing that police take 30min to respond
Semper Fi brother.
I would absolutely do this if I didn't have a small business to run that already takes 50+ hrs a week.
PS, my wife works in our local HS. A lot of teachers have their conceal carry, & do at school. (the school's SRO does the class, & the school encourages such teachers to carry. We are in Washington County)
Over 30 states allow teachers to carry. Florida requires every school to have armed protection. I think that's great. But I wouldn't want anonymous people walking the halls of my grandkids' school. Parents should have the right to know who is around their kids in schools.
you are literally insane.
@@thehellyousay He's insane? Over 30 states allow teachers to carry. Name one instance where that has been a bad thing.
@@AFloridaSon
Look up the number of accidental discharges, damages, stolen property, and casualties; lots more than one.
This state idea is a nightmare waiting to happen. My concern is the person they find to fill this position may not be well-rounded enough to keep from shooting anyone they feel is a threat…. that’s scary! The lawsuits the schools may face if this person shoots a student or mistakenly shoots another kid and probably won’t be wearing a body camera. This is a very dumb idea, Utah!
A sad commentary on the country. Another case of not wanting to spend the money necessary to protect children from being collateral damage of the longstanding misinterpretation second amendment. Basically , they are saying " You want the children protected, you do it and we've passed a law requiring that you have to do it. "
This is so stupid.
Anyone who thinks that a barely trained volunteer with a gun is going to make our schools safer is absolutely insane! Meanwhile, what happens when one of these volunteers - and remember, nobody is allowed to know who they are, so NO accountability to the parents or students or teachers at all- gets depressed or angry or leaves the gun out where a kid can get it?
The idea that the designated person will all of the sudden turn and hurt them is stupid.
@@streamstrissit will very likely be a former military that may have PTSD or someone to at has a hero fantasy, that has extra time on their hands and no other work obligations. Like the retired cop in Florida that shot a guy in a theater over popcorn and a text message to his daughter.
High potential to go bad, very quickly.
So you prefer to be the next Uvalde? Lots of cowardly, expensive, trained police cowering outside the building.
More guns. Less books. Way to go Utah.
You want to leave them unprotected?
@@streamstriss I want smarter gun laws. I want more access to mental health. I do not want school employee's to bare the mental stress of having to shoot someone, possibly a student. I want them to not have to live with the guilt and legal issues from what they were or were not able to prevent. I want people like you to stop glossing over the truth of what this is and of what causes it in the first place.
@@instigatorartworks THIS!
@@instigatorartworks More Gun, Less Crime - John Lott Jr
@@partisanrocktactical2174 Clearly not the case.
As a state we already have one of the lowest per pupil spending in the nation. Now, even with the already abysmal budgets, we're asking schools to add even more to their plate?
The people who are truly protecting our kids don’t want more guns in schools, period.
Over 30 states already allow teachers to carry. Nothing bad has ever come from that. Having secret volunteers with parents not allowed to know who they are is the concerning part.
Everyone here stores money in a bank..... Armed by guards. No one on this chat or others complain that guards are guarding their money. Do you think children are not as important as your money?
Start protecting children better than prisoners!
This is not "modeled after the laws in Texas." In Texas teachers and administrators are the main source. They are already paid to be there, and they have work to do during the school day, so it isn't hiring someone extra who will likely never have to defend the school. (School shootings are very rare, per school.)
There are a lot of desk bound cops who could be reofficed into schools. Detectiives, police administrators, even motor cops need office space. I was an sro and all they need need is the internet, a phone and an office. Even small agenices are top heavy and could help place these offices in schools to increase the safety of our children.
With the amount of unstable people in this country it’s a good idea. Train the administrators that are in the front office away from the children, or hire a full time off duty cop. There should not be a money factor with as much as we pay in school taxes.
You don't want to pay the people protecting the children?
My wife works in our local HS. THE AMOUNT OF $ WASTED BY WAY TOO MANY INCOMPETENT "ADMINISTRATORS" can easily pay for this.... if every school district was required to be audited by a competent outside 3rd party auditing team/firm.
PS we live in Washington County. They are way way way top heavy. I can only imaging how much more so school districts up north are 😮
Oh great, those jobs always draw the most stable of characters?🤔
"job" may not be the right term as it is not a job, by law they find volunteers, what a stupid recipe
if you shoot someone and you are not a cop you are going to prison
That's not how it works here bud.
@@streamstriss funny how many people are in prison for shooting someone while not being a cop, seeing as it ain't how it works there, bud ...
@@streamstriss
God forbid someone be held accountable for injuring someone, killing someone, or damaging someone else’s property.
Why wouldn't they be paid? As in a paid professionals. Looks like this bill was written to fail.
I had multiple officers in my small town Utah school growing up, after a man tried to get in with a knife and hurt us in elementary school. It can happen anywhere and it doesn't have to be a gunman. Why would you want to leave children in a gun-free zone unprotected? This is a great decision and one that will ultimately save lives. If you think the world will ever be safe enough to ignore protecting children you are the problem.
Key is professional officers, not grandpa volunteers that have extra time on their hands.
Schools aren’t required to be gun free zones.
Unless Utah is more restrictive than federal law, anyone with a firearm license of their state can carry on public schools in their state.
$500 is nothing. More would be more willing if given a salary
That answer is janitors. Masters of the custodial arts carrying concealed.
All I can say is that I live in one effed up country.
The simple fact that we're even talking about stuff like this shows how fundamentally messed up this country is.
The only way this will actually make our schools safer is if all these “guardians” have to go through all the same training as law enforcement, personal security guards, and EMTs; while also holding them legally required to directly and immediately confront any dangers.
Schools also need to harden. The fact we spend more on prisoners and take care of felons better than children is abhorrent.
Every single student should be provided three meals a day, clothing, shelter, and transportation at no cost to the children, parents, or guardians.
All school employees need their pay indexed to inflation; preferably inflation plus 1%.
Oh, this is going to go well. 😑
Boy this is really ridiculous! Trained Police have failed to respond in school crisis situation but these untrained individuals will be going up against someone with a long gun like an AR15. Right, they'll be the first victim!
Cops are under no legal obligation to protect anyone.
These guards should have HARSH penalties required by law for not protecting children.
Excellent idea.
Isn't God enough protection for your kids?
stop. miracles still occur but sometimes the miraele is having someone to stop the threat, whether a security person or an angel.
So ridiculous. So scary.
Literally nothing scary about it.
Scary that police are under no legal obligation to protect anyone.
That's going to sound like a great idea until some "guard" shoots a kid for mouthing off.
Sure, if they don’t run away first……
Wait so you don't pay them? We'll thought about it. Been to Iraq twice and wounded in war, and totally believe there needs to be Armed guards. But the liability and not being paid. No thanks. Good luck.
It’s amazing how KSL turn into a pretty woke media outlet now. It wasn’t like that… crazy how times change for the worse 🤦🏽♂️
What in the blazes are you talking about?
Veterans are the answer to this manpower issue.
is there shrapnel inoperably lodged in your brain, or something?
School Guardians is a great idea for every school in Utah. I'm not certain I agree with their recruitment pool and training for these volunteers. You could target retired police officers to work part-time in these assignments and offer benefits such as no or low-cost insurance for their services. Regardless, armed and properly vetted and trained guardians should have begun years ago.
Veterans 👍🏼
@@Marine450x i wouldn't trust you with a burnt out match.
Paid, professional security guards are the only effective sustainable solution.
ex military/veterans
Welcome to "Cox Country!" Rancher guy won't pay to protect the children. "Those elk are eating all the grass!" 💸💸💸💸💸💸💸 "my sheep are gonna starve on my grazing allotment!" 💸💸💸💸💸 "money to protect the children?" 🐂💩💩💩💩💩💩!
Hey i know alot of those school secretaries that i wouldn't want to mess with
FANTASTIC IDEA.
It is, right?
You can't seriously be this ignorant, right?!?
Utah politicians? Yes, yes they can....
What’s ignorant is leaving our most vulnerable people without security but we protect money more.
Don't allow women to be apart of this!!! Too weak and way too emotional!
How much is that going to cost tax payers?
What a joke.