Same here ! But I’m still stuck between brands, I don’t know if the brands matter but since it’s an important piece of equipment (I want to use it for hunting etc.) I want a good quality takedown now etc.
"Too modern and clicky" :D That's pretty much it for me. Might get a takedown bow if I travelled more, but since I stay mostly home, I'm free to enjoy letting my inner Robin Hood have fun.
It seems one-piece bows are in general lighter and shoot more silently ...little things, but still advantages over take-down. And they look better ...which is a very subjective thing however.
I have been giving this a lot of thought of late, as someone who is seriously thinking of taking up Archery i have been divided about this subject. My time spent watching yourself has been massively educational on my journey. I have decided before I rush out a buy my first bow I am going to approach a local club for an introductory day in to Archery. Believing this to be the best course of moving forward for myself into this sport. As a 50 year old I would like to become proficient with a bow and just be-able to enjoy the sport, as personal development. So thank you for your channel and your uploads.
@@UnknownSovereignty I think the weight is both an advantage and disadvantage of the takedown. I love to have little bit of weight because it works as its own self dampener. But as one who rarely use takedown, it really cause fatigue on my bowhand when used for a prolonged period of time.
@Nuclear Sam i was referring to the riser, a composite one weighs a fraction of a wooden one, eg. Thin aluminum spine with thicker carbon coating. sure if these are a thing but could for sure seeing it being way lighter should it happen.
In my humble opinion, a skilled archer is surgical in her/his use of a bow no matter the type. Personally, however, I'm leaning in the direction of the scorpion longbow by southwest archery. It's the simple, primal elegance of the look that appeals to me. I'm 63 and was first introduced to archery as a young college girl. I've decided to take it up again. Thanks again, NUSensei, for your in-depth review/demo!! Will subscribe.
Agree with the summary. My heart is in single piece but I use takedown for target shooting. One aspect of consideration is weight. Takedowns have intentionally heavy risers. Single piece are often much lighter. This creates a completely different shooting experience
A light bow is not always a plus, a heavy bow is harder to move! I think a heavy bow is a more accurate bow. Why else would archers use weight stability??
Take downs are basically the Assault Rifle version of a Bow. More wood, less metal vs More modular, more addon trinkets, less traditional looking= both preform similar. I use this explanation a lot to people who understand firearms and they get it pretty quickly. I like take downs because as you get better at holding that string back, you can go up in pounds. With a solid, you need a whole new stick.
You are absolutely correct, good sir. This applies especially to newbies who have to buy a low poundage bow to start with. If it is a one piece bow and the shooter has outgrown the weight then he will certainly need to buy another one piece and that would be more expensive than buying a set of new limbs for a 3 piece take down bow.
@@redw0lf848 I wouldn't say it's more solid, something that would break a limb of a take down bow would absolutely break the limb of a one-piece bow. You cant change out the limbs of a one-piece.
@@redw0lf848 like he said there is literally no advantage to a one-piece. Just like there is no objective advantage to using a repeating rifle as opposed to a modern semi-automatic rifle
Well said Nu. I shoot take down and have had five sets of limbs, my wife insists on one piece and has several bows in her collection... I would like to make the point that with take down it is much easier to upgrade in smaller steps, which is part of archery fun (as we all know). Also an expensive trad bow is a wonderful thing for an experienced archer to own and use whereas a cheaper model can be a real pig. With take down the adjustability can make even a cheaper bow behave well. Tillering is a particular problem with cheaper one piece bows for example.
I've always like the traditional look of a one piece bow and have wanted one for years. Currently I have 6 takedowns and zero one piece bows. Honestly one piece bows are extremely expensive compared to takedowns. Im waited for that right one piece bow and untill then I'm happy with my takedowns I agree for most people especially beginning into archery; a takedown bow is the best option. It will allow you to start at a low/comfortable weight and work your way up in weight over time.
I never worried about this question. I have solid and take down. I don't take down my take downs because I don't want to re-do the brace height. Archery is pretty simple for me if I am hunting the bow is ready when I get out of the truck. I have no problem walking or hiking with a strung bow. I may unstring it at night before I go in the camper or tent. The bow is a tool it must be learned to carry and operate. A very lite thing to carry opposed to rifle or shotgun. Also less intimidating to other people. Many people think my Martin long bow "The Stick" is a walking stick of some sort.
This was a great video for a noob like me thanks. I got a small school I work at into archery but we wanted to stick to "traditional". I recently found out that takedown bows are CHEAPER. I'll still be buying myself stylistic one piece bows but will suggest based on this video for the school to save some money and trial some takedown bows.
Takedown is not always the cheaper option. I own a single piece Bear Super Kodiak, the takedown version is twice as expensive. We are talking $500 range bow versus $1,000 range bow here.
really love this video and this is a conversation I often have with fellow archers. Although I do not impose my opinion on others, I myself am a sort of a purist and believe that nothing put together by bolts and screws is as harmonius as a single piece. Also, the shelf is a good invention for some but just as other helping gadgets, the more complex you make the bow, the more you transfer from the skill of the archer to the accuracy of the tool itself. You want to put carbon in your bow, or fiberglas? Sure, do that. You want to make it laminated? ok, no problem. But the form of the bow should always be as simple as possible so that the archer has room and need to improve the skill. You have a shelf? Well, you don't worry about the archer's paradox that much. Less skill required. You have 3-4 sets of limbs? You don't worry about distance shooting anymore. Less skill required. You have a heavy riser? You don't have to worry about bow technique anymore. Less skill required. a.s.o. Since when have we turned ourselves away from mind&body discipline and no longer yearn to be like Nasu no Yoichi for example? TLDR: One piece bows rule!
Nice video ... I went through the decision process exactly as described. Wanted an ILF takedown for the flexibility in changing weight and adding sight etc. In the end I bought a Bearpaw Hopi because it looked and felt very nice compared to the "sterile" sport ILF setups ;-)
I leave my takedown bow assembled with the string loop over the limb (not strung) in a bow sock. It's just a matter of stringing it and it's ready to go, the tune is maintained because the string stays on. I have three sets of limbs for it.
Great video. I prefer takedown. Anyone have an idea where I can find a beginner takedown modern bow? I see lots of wood ones but I don’t want to have to restring it all the time.
I've found that the price of even cheaper takedown limbs is something like $60...which is almost the cost of a cheap fiberglass or basic wooden bow (which is also around $60-$70 on ebay).
There's no way you're getting halfway decent quality for that price. Even the commercial PVC LARP bows go for more than that. These ebay bows are going to be either a toy or some PVC tube someone made into a bow over a campfire.
I am new to Archery and had my first try last weekend, I am pretty sure that even though my sensible brain says take-down bow, part of me says longbow, guess I will have to buy both :) The Longbows do look great though ;)
Nothing more satisfying than shooting a handmade, smooth shooting one piece. It's like owning a special guitar or violin. It's personal, feels instinctive and primal. Take downs are great to master your skills but once you know what you like, there's nothing more satisfying than shooting a bespoke one piece.
As hobbyist that is switching from one piece (horsebow) to takedown (barebow) my biggest reason was being able to do maintenance on my bow. Now i use thumb draw, and had to order a custom made bow that had a right handed grip on a left handed window. And VERY luckily didn't cost me anything extra for this customization. Just a funny whatsapp conversation. A few videos and photos later, and no problem for the specifications. I'm buying from a shop that make the bows they sell. And the reasons end up being the ones mentioned here as pros. I've been using a cello bag for transporting my horsebow and arrows. I'm expecting to simplify to a backback or gym bag for the new setup. Simply due to these reasons mentioned in the video.
I have a Martin hunter by damon @ Howat, 32 years old, still shoots like a new bow. No limb tip reinforcements, but I use fast flight string anyway. No failure yet. GOD THOSE GUYS GOT IT RIGHT. Correction: 35 years old.
What would be a good first takedown bow to purchase? I am interested in barebow competitions and hunting with a bow. The bear takedown is a little out of my pricerange so I need alternatives for it.
Thanks for the video Nu. Have you had any experience with the Martin Jaguar Elite takedown recurve? I'm shopping for my first recurve as my sole experience has been with a compound. I came across the Martin Jaguar Elite and really like it. I'm trying to make the smartest choice possible before I make a purchase.
So I’ve been doing archery since I was three, it’s a family sport and I just can’t stand the way takedown bows look, or and bows that have a fat handle and skinny limbs
Dude I love the way they look that’s the only reason why I want the takedown, they just look amazing but of course I’m not saying to change your opinion or anything and wow you’ve been doing archery since u were 3 you must be good.
I just purchased a 60 " one piece recurve from southwest archery (tigershark). The takedowns just seem too busy and modern. I was recently able to shoot my father in laws 62 inch browning spartan ( 1965! ). It was so light and felt so good. I was able to learn his bow pretty quick so I'm hoping for good results with the new tigershark. We'll see!
Thx Sensei for the nice video! Take down is easy to transport but there are still the arrows 🤔 i have 31,5" draw and use 33" arrows...😃 There are td arrows but they are not accurate, so...🤨 Kind regards from the Belgian Ardennes
Thanks that was well explained and easily understood, I purchased a take down bow to learn with but I do want a one piece wooden bow when experienced enough and have found/settled on my ideal draw weight as funds are a major consideration when purchasing.
Older one piece longbows are notorious for the lower limb starting to twist over time. Once I started using a takedown longbow I never went back to a one piece.
One point. Takedowns don't have working risers, so the end result is usually a taller bow. My takedown has a 25" riser resulting in a 68" recurve, which is kind of tall. The one-piece recurve usually has smaller risers, sometimes with working material, so the overall bow is shorter. That matters to me going through a 3D range where there are a lot of trees. Also, my aluminum riser is much heavier than most one-piece bows.
This is not categorically true. The differences outlined are not inherent to the type of bow. There are long and short bows that come as take down or one piece. The weight of the bow is dependent on the material. Aluminium weighs more than wood, but not all takedown risers are aluminium. It would be misleading to suggest that most bows follow certain characteristics when they are, in fact, shared.
Very well done video! Imagine the following scenario. You go to the archery store. You see a one-piece medieval-style longbow that catches your fancy. It's in a draw weight that you can handle, it feels nice and smooth, and it shoots fast. It's basically a golden bow. So you decide to splurge and buy it. Then you take it outside and begin loading it into your car. Wait. What? Your car isn't 72 inches long on the inside! Now you have to flip down the rear sets and load through the trunk. And every time you take it to the range to shoot, you have to repeat the exact same tedious unloading and loading process. That alone would deter me from buying a one-piece bow, especially a one-piece longbow.
I find the "0 disadvantages of take downs" bit to be a bit disingenuous or at least an overly narrow take. Limb bolts can vibrate out and must be checked on the regular, at least as the owner and Junior Olympic coach at my local now shop told me about my ILF bow. He was referring to the spring bolts specifically. This constant maintenance issue and the fiddlyness of the bolts in general can be seen as a disadvantage, especially to a beginner. The simplicity of a single piece can be an advantage in this regard as the video mentions, string it and you are ready to sling arrows. As far as hunting goes, hunters are accustomed to packing in and out bulky unwieldy things (we've been schlepping long rifles into the backcountry since rifles were invented). You find a way and there is a trade off in the increased weight with the take downs but packable vs the potentially lighter awkward one piece. So when every ounce in your pack matters, that weight could be seen as a disadvantage. Folks have also brought up the noise of take downs during the shot. Not to say there are not some very capable take down hunting recurves (Fred Bear comes to mind), but you are going to spend a pretty penny on those and potentially $450 per set of limbs. These are just some off the top of my head. So that no disadvantages statement just doesn't seem well thought through. All bows have their strengths and weaknesses. I love all my bows from my plastic twin bow, to my ILF practice bow, to my Martin Mamba recurve, to my old wheel pig of a compound (the only one that has put meat on the table), but I wouldn't say any one of theyis perfect for every situation and purpose. 🤷
@@cfrost87 that's all well and good, but you must admit that there's a huge range of options out there, from nearly free equipment on craigslist, to thousand dollar plus honeycomb monolithic carbon fiber limbs ...for me it's all about finding something I like. I have a couple of takedown ILFs, and they're more moderately priced, so I do see the benefits of being able to trade out various components, but I keep going back to the older one piece things I find on eBay; mostly for their field practicality, I enjoy having a light and silent bow, and am less concerned with the space it takes in my car.. nothing wrong with a bit of unstrung bow sticking out the car window on the way to the range!
I have ZERO knowledge of bows and a passing knowledge of physics.. Just from my limited knowledge I would be worried about shooting a takedown bow, as the places where you connect the removeable parts would, in my mind, create weak points that are more likely to break due to the force exerted by one drawing back the bowstring. Am I wrong in that assumption?
You are indeed wrong. Not only are the attachment points *stronger* than a one piece (often being made of metal), the points of failure on a bow are on the thinner, flexible limbs, not the limb pockets.
So true. One of the issues I had with my TC Cottonmouth was shipping it back from Taiwan. The post office refused to ship it and other shipping companies had outrageous prices. Thankfully I got back, albeit that my wallet took a hit.
Are takedown bows not slightly louder, then? I have no experience with bows, but as someone with a casual interest in engineering/material science, I know it's difficult, (although certainly not impossible,) to have parts that are regularly dethatched, that don't move a tiny bit when they are attached. I figured with the stresses these joints would be subjected to under normal use, this would be especially true. Probably quiet enough that, at a target range, you'd quickly learn to filter it out, sure, but for hunting? I'm just not sure if I'm underestimated the state of modern technology, and this isn't an issue, or if this would be a valid consideration, at least for hunting.
There's no play in the bolts when the limbs are attached and strung. The noise level is the same. The main cause of noise in the bow is from the string, either the vibration of the string or the string slapping the limbs. This is why longbows are naturally quieter than recurves - longbows do not have a contact point with the limb surface, whereas recurves do.
I'd say there is one disadvantage of takedowns. You're much less likely to be allowed to use one in a medieval reenactment or fantasy roleplay (LARP). You could have a very modern one-piece, but so long it looks right, you might be allowed to use it in such events. With takedowns... it's unlikely. Though it depends a lot on the event. Is it competitive, is it just for show, or just for fun etc.
@@michaelvansise4887 I agree it's generally a good idea to have a low poundage bow even when you're usually shooting a much higher poundage. So many uses! For example, non-archer friends come over and ask if they could try shooting one of your bows. Or people ask if you could entertain their kids with some sport activity. Or friends are doing an outdoors party with camping, campfire, shanties, some friendly dueling with larp weapons... and hey, how about doing an archery tournament too, you've got equipment, right? Everyone could give it a try! And I'm like... ok... good thing I've kept my 18 lb bow somewhere...
I have some disadvantage for a take down bow! Even it is an ILF system the limbs is not feet all the time to the riser because of the manufacture is not that accurate! There are some one-peace bow you can have a 30 years of guaranty but for an ILF system maximum 3 years if you are lucky.
I have a take down bow and I never even took it down. It is indeed large but as I am not an expert I don't want to loosen the string up and having to swing it for 5 minutes before I want to shoot again. But I find them very authentic looking, sure it's not one long piece, but with the right colours it can look very good.
@@jake4194 I think the correct words for it is twisting the string until I get the correct brace height. This comment was made a long time ago when I didn't know the terms well enough lol
Yeah, my first two bows have been takedown, for lower cost of changing draw weight. I think my third bow, finally at minimum hunting weight, will probably be one piece.
Picked up my first bow a Bodnik Navajo #45 for $200, didn't cost me any more than a set of limbs would have any way and has a 30 warranty on the bow. And the best bit is I can buy MORE BOWS because I cant change the limbs out :)
yeah, that's the advantage of a one-piece ... you need to buy more bows when "growing" in poundage, so you have bows to spare when somebody wants to go try/shoot with you ... with an ILF setup, you can't do much with one riser, no matter how many sets of limbs you have !!!
the guy I bought my recurve from bought a bear archery single piece and it's a 45 pound at 28", he has a 29 or 30 inch draw length and has noticed cracking.
I bought a take down the draw weight ended up being too much for a my noodles so I gave it to my SO, and bought another one with a lower draw weight and just switched the limbs so my SO could have the Red wood grip from the new one and I could have the gray wood grip from the first one. and I'm looking at a one-piece eastern bow because I wanna learn the thumb pull too. I essentially have become the one with all the bows xD Embrace Ranger class. Reject Tank Class.
I'm a complete newb, and the technical explanation is faultless -- however, I watch the video, and the only bow I'm looking at is that lovely elegant, slim one piece bow, not the transformer-grade takedown. Personally, I know the one I'd rather shoot, and sod the 'practicality' -they aren't terribly expensive anyway- that's also why people love gorgeous engraving on their shotgun -- if you think your equipment looks and feels nice, you feel good shooting it, you'll therefore shoot better -- it's positive feedback, and very tactile :-)
Michel Pollet - - - - your last few points about feeling great helps make you shoot [more relaxed &] great is the exact point I tried my best to explain / suggest, in ruclips.net/video/ZVJx9PshF5k/видео.html I tried to raise the idea that "positive buzz" over your newest favourite purchase, ^may^ lead to improvement
I have 1 takedown and 3 one-piece. Although i agree with all the points you made, there is one thing you or nobody mentions, and that is: a takedown is heavy. Maybe not an issue for most, but for me it is.
This is not universally true. A takedown bow is not inherently heavy. You can get takedown bows which are, but you can also get takedown bows that are light, if not lighter than one-piece bows. This depends on the bow, not the type.
weight does depend on the type. A riser of a takedown will always be longer and bulkier becausse you need space to make a safe connection point for the limbs. What a bow can make lighter/heavier is the type of materials used (different types of wood/aluminium...)
one disadvantage of the takedown bow... it's generally a little more expensive than the 1 piece variant of the same build quality. personally I have a 2 piece takedown 68" longbow, it looks like a 1 piece bow but it can be pulled apart to fit in the boot of my rather small car.
I have recently heard "takedown bows" and I was beginning to assume that a "takedown bow" was a bow designed to "take down" a living target. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
It's very dependent on the bow in question. There are also ways to insulate takedown bows to reduce noise. Survival Lily did a video where she lowers the noise of a very cheap Mandaring Duck takedown.
James Badger * * Although Survival Lilly did an honest and good job of presenting / demonstrating spots of concern where improvement can be made, . . . I want an instructional video which goes into more close-up deatails about thickness of padding material, etc. etc. and fit, etc. etc. plus extra Riser tinkering . . .
Hi i' m a canadian native , check the weight between both bows ! And this longbow is a flat american longbow , not a true longbow meaning primitive ! Honestly i prefer a true one piece longbow! II have a compound bow , PSE Carrol Intruder dating 1992 but i like to walk in woodland not to stand on a treestand :D A take down bow is the mid between primitive and mecanical bow !
Isn’t a one piece arguably stronger after shooting the arrow than a takedown? I feel like there is always the possibility of movement tolerance with a takedown. A one piece would feel solid all the time.
There's no basis for this. The bolted sections are not working parts and do not move. The centre of the limbs bend and the tips move, but not where it joins the handle. There is no failure point here. Remember that when the bow is strung, the limbs are locked in place because of the string.
Thank you for explaining this for me. Is there any different between long and short bows? There was a video about a Korean bow that was made long ago where when you draw it back, the limbs give it more power. ( If I'm wrong, please let me know).
i have a one piece , PSE legacy, 55 lb long bow,also a 45lb take down, recurve, sage, both great shooters, the recurve is alot faster than my longbow, in arrow speed,
This is the reason why recurve was invented by the nomadic horse archers, because the elasticity of the limbs more arrow speed per draw weight. That and their invention of composite construction allowed them to make effective bows that were also small enough to use from horseback (try firing an English war bow from a horse haha)
There is difference that you didn't mention - take down bows are heavier. It can be important when you are taking bow into woods or hunting (hunting bow need to be always fire ready). Second thing is that one piece hunters aren't as long as longbow so they are quite mobile.
Regarding weight, I don't feel like this is necessarily true or inherent to takedown / one-piece. You can get very light takedown bows, and some one-piece bows do feel heavier. The weight difference is marginal at worst, and if you're hunting, you're carrying far heavier things than the bow. As for the second thing, I never said anything about mobility. Yes, hunting bows are shorter and can be easier to handle in the field, but that isn't inherent to either type.
Go look at Cabelas or BassPros website. All re-curve, longbows, and takesdowns are 1.5 to 2.7 lbs. 1 piece Bear Archery Super Grizzly Recurve Bows 3.5lbs where the PSE Archery Nighthawk takedown is 2.5... soooooo yeah.
Depends on the rating ... A one-piece manufactured for a single weight can be lighter than a take down setup where the riser needs to be strong enough to handle 20-60 pounds spread of limbs. Also the attachment system (even if it is only one bolt per limb) is always extra weight compared to a one-piece.
What I noticed as an, I guess beginner, is; At first I bought an takedown bow with 30lbs.. wasn’t that easy but was fun... Recently I bought an one piece bow with 40lbs and it’s super fun too... but it seems that the takedown bow with 30lbs is much more powerful than the one piece with 40 lbs
i watch this other channel where he tests bows draw weights as a part of reviews, and their rated specs can be off, some over, some under. sometimes by quite a bit.
I originally bought a low poundage, very nice Bodnik one piece bow. I love the aesthetics of a simple bow. However, I realized I was going to outgrow it pretty quickly. Bought the Mohawk take-down. Just a smarter move. I'll eventually buy some heavier limbs and use both. This video helped. Thanks.
I'd love to hear about the difference between shooting a takedown which has two limbs and a long stiff riser and a more traditional one piece where more of the bow is flexible.
Well, i wouldn't recommend keeping any bow stringed despite its type. Another thing worth mentioning is that take down is more durable for novice comparing to pure wooden bow. Recurve bows also accumulate more energy in irs curved form and therefore more powerful.
I shoot alot of wooden bows, might be different with that longbow you have, but I've always been warned by bowyers and sellers to always use a stringer. (Or the back of the leg method) And that using the method for stringing with the foot (like at 2:24) is actually harmful for the bow. edit: Also there is indeed a disadvantage, a stupid one but still a disadvantage. If you takedown a bow, you can, for whatever reason lose a limb. This is never a risk with one-piece bows. So while one piece have the inability to change easily, you can never ever lose 1/3 (or 1/2) of your bow. Limbs can also look similar, so stealing limbs (because they are compact) is easier than stealing a one piece bow. One piece bows are not necessarily long btw, my Turkish one piece horsebow I shot today is just 42" when strung (47 ½” unstrung).
Honestly, that's a pretty stupid reason. If we follow that logic, a one-piece bow is disadvantaged because instead of losing 1/3 of your bow, you lose 100% of your bow.
Like I said, a stupid one. But still, imagine the difficulty of stealing a takedown, compared to a one-piece bow. It's just a night and day difference.
I'm so glad I don't live a life where I feel at all concerned about that. Nobody has the opportunity to get near my bows without me telling them not to dry fire, or without me thoroughly trusting them to listen. How exactly are you exposed to this risk?
I get what you're saying but the one piece has been around for 1000s of years so that says a lot for them and people then are just as smart as us so if the take down is better how come they didn't make the but that's my opinion
This is more to do with the type of bow you are using rather than whether or not it is takedown. If you are using a bow that is designed to be shot off a rest or shelf, it's more or less locking you into the style it was intended for. If you are shooting an Asiatic bow, you can get some takedown models.
Yes. This is a thing. My poor longboy gets too little attention because I have to post it through my Aygo boot, balanced on the back seat and posted into the front passenger seat foot-well. :/
@NUSensei , did your BEAR takedown have tolerance between steel bracket and limbs , like its wobbling a lots like this owner : ruclips.net/video/94HnVPrwjZY/видео.html
I like how one piece bows handle - much lighter and slimmer - but I like the fact that with a takedown bow I could actually carry it in a backpack if I had to. That said most of my takedown bows have never been dismantled. Mostly I ended up with more takedown bows than one piece bows simply because they were cheaper and available at the time. If you're looking for something like a 58" or other shorter length bow with a poundage of 60 lb, you don't have many affordable options and the used market is limited for lefties so you get what is there!
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I love how this guy has a video that answers almost every question I have had as a prospective beginner archer. Fantastic content.
Same here ! But I’m still stuck between brands, I don’t know if the brands matter but since it’s an important piece of equipment (I want to use it for hunting etc.) I want a good quality takedown now etc.
He is my first go to when I have a question, he has had a video to answer each and everyone one!
"Too modern and clicky" :D That's pretty much it for me. Might get a takedown bow if I travelled more, but since I stay mostly home, I'm free to enjoy letting my inner Robin Hood have fun.
AGREED!!!!
It seems one-piece bows are in general lighter and shoot more silently ...little things, but still advantages over take-down. And they look better ...which is a very subjective thing however.
I have been giving this a lot of thought of late, as someone who is seriously thinking of taking up Archery i have been divided about this subject.
My time spent watching yourself has been massively educational on my journey.
I have decided before I rush out a buy my first bow I am going to approach a local club for an introductory day in to Archery. Believing this to be the best course of moving forward for myself into this sport.
As a 50 year old I would like to become proficient with a bow and just be-able to enjoy the sport, as personal development.
So thank you for your channel and your uploads.
I always enjoy your videos, very informative.
I've had a take-down recurve for over 20 years; I have never taken it apart.
What brand do you recommend for a beginner, if you don’t mind me asking? I budgeted 500 usd don’t know if that’s enough for a good quality bow
Take down actually still have one very small disadvantage:it's more heavy (weight,not draw weight)than a one piece XD
I've been told by a couple people that take down bows have a lot a
Of vibration that normal bows don't, any validity to that?
@@AnadiaShark fair enough, thanks for the info I appreciate it
@@UnknownSovereignty I think the weight is both an advantage and disadvantage of the takedown. I love to have little bit of weight because it works as its own self dampener. But as one who rarely use takedown, it really cause fatigue on my bowhand when used for a prolonged period of time.
I bet you could make a take down out of modern meterials that weigh far less than a solid wooden bow... youre forgetting carbon fibre is a thing.
@Nuclear Sam i was referring to the riser, a composite one weighs a fraction of a wooden one, eg. Thin aluminum spine with thicker carbon coating. sure if these are a thing but could for sure seeing it being way lighter should it happen.
I was actually wondering if there was any real need to take down a takedown bow when not in use, glad you addressed it here.
In my humble opinion, a skilled archer is surgical in her/his use of a bow no matter the type. Personally, however, I'm leaning in the direction of the scorpion longbow by southwest archery. It's the simple, primal elegance of the look that appeals to me. I'm 63 and was first introduced to archery as a young college girl. I've decided to take it up again. Thanks again, NUSensei, for your in-depth review/demo!! Will subscribe.
Agree with the summary. My heart is in single piece but I use takedown for target shooting.
One aspect of consideration is weight. Takedowns have intentionally heavy risers. Single piece are often much lighter. This creates a completely different shooting experience
A light bow is not always a plus, a heavy bow is harder to move! I think a heavy bow is a more accurate bow. Why else would archers use weight stability??
A fantastic and clear explanation of the differences, I’m definitely forwarding this to some P.E. Teachers who need this info for their classes.
Nope to long. I'd have to cut a tree down to shoot it I'm only 5ft 6in.
Take downs are basically the Assault Rifle version of a Bow. More wood, less metal vs More modular, more addon trinkets, less traditional looking= both preform similar.
I use this explanation a lot to people who understand firearms and they get it pretty quickly. I like take downs because as you get better at holding that string back, you can go up in pounds. With a solid, you need a whole new stick.
David Rosowski lol... well said!!!
exactly. Up or down. for any reason really.
You are absolutely correct, good sir. This applies especially to newbies who have to buy a low poundage bow to start with. If it is a one piece bow and the shooter has outgrown the weight then he will certainly need to buy another one piece and that would be more expensive than buying a set of new limbs for a 3 piece take down bow.
@@redw0lf848 I wouldn't say it's more solid, something that would break a limb of a take down bow would absolutely break the limb of a one-piece bow. You cant change out the limbs of a one-piece.
@@redw0lf848 like he said there is literally no advantage to a one-piece. Just like there is no objective advantage to using a repeating rifle as opposed to a modern semi-automatic rifle
Well said Nu. I shoot take down and have had five sets of limbs, my wife insists on one piece and has several bows in her collection...
I would like to make the point that with take down it is much easier to upgrade in smaller steps, which is part of archery fun (as we all know). Also an expensive trad bow is a wonderful thing for an experienced archer to own and use whereas a cheaper model can be a real pig. With take down the adjustability can make even a cheaper bow behave well. Tillering is a particular problem with cheaper one piece bows for example.
I've always like the traditional look of a one piece bow and have wanted one for years. Currently I have 6 takedowns and zero one piece bows. Honestly one piece bows are extremely expensive compared to takedowns. Im waited for that right one piece bow and untill then I'm happy with my takedowns
I agree for most people especially beginning into archery; a takedown bow is the best option. It will allow you to start at a low/comfortable weight and work your way up in weight over time.
I know what to get now ☺️ Thank you so much Sensei~
I never worried about this question. I have solid and take down. I don't take down my take downs because I don't want to re-do the brace height. Archery is pretty simple for me if I am hunting the bow is ready when I get out of the truck. I have no problem walking or hiking with a strung bow. I may unstring it at night before I go in the camper or tent.
The bow is a tool it must be learned to carry and operate. A very lite thing to carry opposed to rifle or shotgun. Also less intimidating to other people. Many people think my Martin long bow "The Stick" is a walking stick of some sort.
This was a great video for a noob like me thanks. I got a small school I work at into archery but we wanted to stick to "traditional". I recently found out that takedown bows are CHEAPER. I'll still be buying myself stylistic one piece bows but will suggest based on this video for the school to save some money and trial some takedown bows.
I was thinking takedown bows would be cheaper. Less wood waste, more cuts per piece, and you need shorter pieces of good wood.
Takedown is not always the cheaper option. I own a single piece Bear Super Kodiak, the takedown version is twice as expensive. We are talking $500 range bow versus $1,000 range bow here.
really love this video and this is a conversation I often have with fellow archers.
Although I do not impose my opinion on others, I myself am a sort of a purist and believe that nothing put together by bolts and screws is as harmonius as a single piece. Also, the shelf is a good invention for some but just as other helping gadgets, the more complex you make the bow, the more you transfer from the skill of the archer to the accuracy of the tool itself.
You want to put carbon in your bow, or fiberglas? Sure, do that. You want to make it laminated? ok, no problem. But the form of the bow should always be as simple as possible so that the archer has room and need to improve the skill.
You have a shelf? Well, you don't worry about the archer's paradox that much. Less skill required.
You have 3-4 sets of limbs? You don't worry about distance shooting anymore. Less skill required.
You have a heavy riser? You don't have to worry about bow technique anymore. Less skill required.
a.s.o.
Since when have we turned ourselves away from mind&body discipline and no longer yearn to be like Nasu no Yoichi for example?
TLDR: One piece bows rule!
Nice video ... I went through the decision process exactly as described. Wanted an ILF takedown for the flexibility in changing weight and adding sight etc. In the end I bought a Bearpaw Hopi because it looked and felt very nice compared to the "sterile" sport ILF setups ;-)
Nusensei, please also do a video about center cut vs straight bow.. Thanks.
I leave my takedown bow assembled with the string loop over the limb (not strung) in a bow sock. It's just a matter of stringing it and it's ready to go, the tune is maintained because the string stays on. I have three sets of limbs for it.
Great video. I prefer takedown. Anyone have an idea where I can find a beginner takedown modern bow? I see lots of wood ones but I don’t want to have to restring it all the time.
I've found that the price of even cheaper takedown limbs is something like $60...which is almost the cost of a cheap fiberglass or basic wooden bow (which is also around $60-$70 on ebay).
There's no way you're getting halfway decent quality for that price. Even the commercial PVC LARP bows go for more than that. These ebay bows are going to be either a toy or some PVC tube someone made into a bow over a campfire.
This guy's videos and educational content is AWESOME!!
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I am new to Archery and had my first try last weekend, I am pretty sure that even though my sensible brain says take-down bow, part of me says longbow, guess I will have to buy both :) The Longbows do look great though ;)
I wonder - what are the limits of Take-Down, and what of One-Piece Bows? Max Drawweight?
@@manabellum Pretty sure the Fred Bear take downs go up to 70 pound limbs
Does the takedown bow start getting wobbly with use because of the few parts coming together?
Nothing more satisfying than shooting a handmade, smooth shooting one piece. It's like owning a special guitar or violin. It's personal, feels instinctive and primal. Take downs are great to master your skills but once you know what you like, there's nothing more satisfying than shooting a bespoke one piece.
As hobbyist that is switching from one piece (horsebow) to takedown (barebow) my biggest reason was being able to do maintenance on my bow. Now i use thumb draw, and had to order a custom made bow that had a right handed grip on a left handed window. And VERY luckily didn't cost me anything extra for this customization. Just a funny whatsapp conversation. A few videos and photos later, and no problem for the specifications. I'm buying from a shop that make the bows they sell. And the reasons end up being the ones mentioned here as pros. I've been using a cello bag for transporting my horsebow and arrows. I'm expecting to simplify to a backback or gym bag for the new setup. Simply due to these reasons mentioned in the video.
I have a Martin hunter by damon @ Howat, 32 years old, still shoots like a new bow. No limb tip reinforcements, but I use fast flight string anyway. No failure yet. GOD THOSE GUYS GOT IT RIGHT. Correction: 35 years old.
What would be a good first takedown bow to purchase? I am interested in barebow competitions and hunting with a bow. The bear takedown is a little out of my pricerange so I need alternatives for it.
Having traveled by air with a pair of one piece long bows, I can say it was a bloody nightmare. Take down for me every time, no question.
Thanks for the video Nu. Have you had any experience with the Martin Jaguar Elite takedown recurve? I'm shopping for my first recurve as my sole experience has been with a compound. I came across the Martin Jaguar Elite and really like it. I'm trying to make the smartest choice possible before I make a purchase.
So I’ve been doing archery since I was three, it’s a family sport and I just can’t stand the way takedown bows look, or and bows that have a fat handle and skinny limbs
Dude I love the way they look that’s the only reason why I want the takedown, they just look amazing but of course I’m not saying to change your opinion or anything and wow you’ve been doing archery since u were 3 you must be good.
Haha same
AHM3D K nah for real im complete ass
Love the Chanel, where can I purchase a stingray in Australia?thanks
I just purchased a 60 " one piece recurve from southwest archery (tigershark). The takedowns just seem too busy and modern. I was recently able to shoot my father in laws 62 inch browning spartan ( 1965! ). It was so light and felt so good. I was able to learn his bow pretty quick so I'm hoping for good results with the new tigershark. We'll see!
As of this post I don't have a bow and i am so, SO glad i found Nusensei. I have learned so much in just a few videos.
Thx Sensei for the nice video! Take down is easy to transport but there are still the arrows 🤔 i have 31,5" draw and use 33" arrows...😃 There are td arrows but they are not accurate, so...🤨 Kind regards from the Belgian Ardennes
Thanks that was well explained and easily understood, I purchased a take down bow to learn with but I do want a one piece wooden bow when experienced enough and have found/settled on my ideal draw weight as funds are a major consideration when purchasing.
Trev Nowlan I would think funds are Always a consideration when buying an expensive bow...
@@skepticalmechanic these prices are fk insane
Technology old as dirt but priced like your buying gold and diamonds
Older one piece longbows are notorious for the lower limb starting to twist over time. Once I started using a takedown longbow I never went back to a one piece.
What brand you do prefer
One point. Takedowns don't have working risers, so the end result is usually a taller bow. My takedown has a 25" riser resulting in a 68" recurve, which is kind of tall. The one-piece recurve usually has smaller risers, sometimes with working material, so the overall bow is shorter. That matters to me going through a 3D range where there are a lot of trees. Also, my aluminum riser is much heavier than most one-piece bows.
This is not categorically true. The differences outlined are not inherent to the type of bow. There are long and short bows that come as take down or one piece. The weight of the bow is dependent on the material. Aluminium weighs more than wood, but not all takedown risers are aluminium. It would be misleading to suggest that most bows follow certain characteristics when they are, in fact, shared.
Thanks. As a newbie here, this was extremely helpful. 🎯
CHANGED my mind, 👍I live in a VAN so it's the take down, hell I'll get BOTH
So does it change anything if you have a slip in system or a bolt on system for attatching the limb tips ?
Very well done video! Imagine the following scenario. You go to the archery store. You see a one-piece medieval-style longbow that catches your fancy. It's in a draw weight that you can handle, it feels nice and smooth, and it shoots fast. It's basically a golden bow. So you decide to splurge and buy it. Then you take it outside and begin loading it into your car. Wait. What? Your car isn't 72 inches long on the inside! Now you have to flip down the rear sets and load through the trunk. And every time you take it to the range to shoot, you have to repeat the exact same tedious unloading and loading process. That alone would deter me from buying a one-piece bow, especially a one-piece longbow.
I find the "0 disadvantages of take downs" bit to be a bit disingenuous or at least an overly narrow take. Limb bolts can vibrate out and must be checked on the regular, at least as the owner and Junior Olympic coach at my local now shop told me about my ILF bow. He was referring to the spring bolts specifically. This constant maintenance issue and the fiddlyness of the bolts in general can be seen as a disadvantage, especially to a beginner. The simplicity of a single piece can be an advantage in this regard as the video mentions, string it and you are ready to sling arrows. As far as hunting goes, hunters are accustomed to packing in and out bulky unwieldy things (we've been schlepping long rifles into the backcountry since rifles were invented). You find a way and there is a trade off in the increased weight with the take downs but packable vs the potentially lighter awkward one piece. So when every ounce in your pack matters, that weight could be seen as a disadvantage. Folks have also brought up the noise of take downs during the shot. Not to say there are not some very capable take down hunting recurves (Fred Bear comes to mind), but you are going to spend a pretty penny on those and potentially $450 per set of limbs. These are just some off the top of my head. So that no disadvantages statement just doesn't seem well thought through.
All bows have their strengths and weaknesses. I love all my bows from my plastic twin bow, to my ILF practice bow, to my Martin Mamba recurve, to my old wheel pig of a compound (the only one that has put meat on the table), but I wouldn't say any one of theyis perfect for every situation and purpose. 🤷
A big advantage with a takedown bow-- you can buy different limbs with different draw weights and not have to spend as much money as a whole new bow.
The price difference if fairly negligible tbh.
@@beargillium2369 The one I have, the limbs are like $60 less than a whole bow.
@@cfrost87 I guess that's about right, but one advantage of having two bows is you have two bows 🏹🏹 ya know, one for a shooting buddy perhaps
@@beargillium2369 Of course, but not everyone wants or needs more than one bow, or has limited money to spend.
@@cfrost87 that's all well and good, but you must admit that there's a huge range of options out there, from nearly free equipment on craigslist, to thousand dollar plus honeycomb monolithic carbon fiber limbs ...for me it's all about finding something I like. I have a couple of takedown ILFs, and they're more moderately priced, so I do see the benefits of being able to trade out various components, but I keep going back to the older one piece things I find on eBay; mostly for their field practicality, I enjoy having a light and silent bow, and am less concerned with the space it takes in my car.. nothing wrong with a bit of unstrung bow sticking out the car window on the way to the range!
How has this question gone unasked on RUclips until now?
It seems such an obvious one!
Thx for finally addressing it.
I have ZERO knowledge of bows and a passing knowledge of physics.. Just from my limited knowledge I would be worried about shooting a takedown bow, as the places where you connect the removeable parts would, in my mind, create weak points that are more likely to break due to the force exerted by one drawing back the bowstring.
Am I wrong in that assumption?
You are indeed wrong. Not only are the attachment points *stronger* than a one piece (often being made of metal), the points of failure on a bow are on the thinner, flexible limbs, not the limb pockets.
Good to have 1 of each at the end of the day. people should not ask which 1 could to buy.
So true. One of the issues I had with my TC Cottonmouth was shipping it back from Taiwan. The post office refused to ship it and other shipping companies had outrageous prices. Thankfully I got back, albeit that my wallet took a hit.
How do you ensure consistent string length with a take down?
When *did* takedown bows first come into prominence?
Are takedown bows not slightly louder, then? I have no experience with bows, but as someone with a casual interest in engineering/material science, I know it's difficult, (although certainly not impossible,) to have parts that are regularly dethatched, that don't move a tiny bit when they are attached.
I figured with the stresses these joints would be subjected to under normal use, this would be especially true. Probably quiet enough that, at a target range, you'd quickly learn to filter it out, sure, but for hunting?
I'm just not sure if I'm underestimated the state of modern technology, and this isn't an issue, or if this would be a valid consideration, at least for hunting.
There's no play in the bolts when the limbs are attached and strung. The noise level is the same. The main cause of noise in the bow is from the string, either the vibration of the string or the string slapping the limbs. This is why longbows are naturally quieter than recurves - longbows do not have a contact point with the limb surface, whereas recurves do.
@@NUSensei Great to know, thanks!
I'd say there is one disadvantage of takedowns.
You're much less likely to be allowed to use one in a medieval reenactment or fantasy roleplay (LARP). You could have a very modern one-piece, but so long it looks right, you might be allowed to use it in such events. With takedowns... it's unlikely. Though it depends a lot on the event. Is it competitive, is it just for show, or just for fun etc.
This is where a low poundage single piece horse bow would be fantastic. You can get relatively cheap fiberglass ones that still look really nice.
@@michaelvansise4887 I agree it's generally a good idea to have a low poundage bow even when you're usually shooting a much higher poundage. So many uses! For example, non-archer friends come over and ask if they could try shooting one of your bows. Or people ask if you could entertain their kids with some sport activity. Or friends are doing an outdoors party with camping, campfire, shanties, some friendly dueling with larp weapons... and hey, how about doing an archery tournament too, you've got equipment, right? Everyone could give it a try!
And I'm like... ok... good thing I've kept my 18 lb bow somewhere...
Also, some padded weapon LARPs do combat archery with padded arrows. They were doing archery tag before archery tag became its own thing.
I have some disadvantage for a take down bow! Even it is an ILF system the limbs is not feet all the time to the riser because of the manufacture is not that accurate! There are some one-peace bow you can have a 30 years of guaranty but for an ILF system maximum 3 years if you are lucky.
I have a take down bow and I never even took it down. It is indeed large but as I am not an expert I don't want to loosen the string up and having to swing it for 5 minutes before I want to shoot again. But I find them very authentic looking, sure it's not one long piece, but with the right colours it can look very good.
"Swing it" ??
@@jake4194 I think the correct words for it is twisting the string until I get the correct brace height. This comment was made a long time ago when I didn't know the terms well enough lol
Can't find a one piece made in murica under 250 bucks can you?
I just recently got into archery and liked the looks of the 1piece vs takedown, but doing more research i'd rather get a takedown.
Yeah, my first two bows have been takedown, for lower cost of changing draw weight. I think my third bow, finally at minimum hunting weight, will probably be one piece.
Picked up my first bow a Bodnik Navajo #45 for $200, didn't cost me any more than a set of limbs would have any way and has a 30 warranty on the bow. And the best bit is I can buy MORE BOWS because I cant change the limbs out :)
Nice one Michael -- I think everyone is delusional into thinking a one bow fits all -- turns out, the more toys, the better! :-)
yeah, that's the advantage of a one-piece ... you need to buy more bows when "growing" in poundage, so you have bows to spare when somebody wants to go try/shoot with you ... with an ILF setup, you can't do much with one riser, no matter how many sets of limbs you have !!!
Michel Pollet* . . . remember, "He who dies with the most toys, WINS" ;-)
....you can buy more than one takedown, there's no federal regulation on them or anything.
the guy I bought my recurve from bought a bear archery single piece and it's a 45 pound at 28", he has a 29 or 30 inch draw length and has noticed cracking.
you got it in the ass....
I bought a take down the draw weight ended up being too much for a my noodles so I gave it to my SO, and bought another one with a lower draw weight and just switched the limbs so my SO could have the Red wood grip from the new one and I could have the gray wood grip from the first one. and I'm looking at a one-piece eastern bow because I wanna learn the thumb pull too.
I essentially have become the one with all the bows xD
Embrace Ranger class.
Reject Tank Class.
I'm a complete newb, and the technical explanation is faultless -- however, I watch the video, and the only bow I'm looking at is that lovely elegant, slim one piece bow, not the transformer-grade takedown. Personally, I know the one I'd rather shoot, and sod the 'practicality' -they aren't terribly expensive anyway- that's also why people love gorgeous engraving on their shotgun -- if you think your equipment looks and feels nice, you feel good shooting it, you'll therefore shoot better -- it's positive feedback, and very tactile :-)
Michel Pollet - - - - your last few points about feeling great helps make you shoot [more relaxed &] great
is the exact point I tried my best to explain / suggest, in
ruclips.net/video/ZVJx9PshF5k/видео.html
I tried to raise the idea that "positive buzz" over your newest favourite purchase, ^may^ lead to improvement
I’m a complete beginner too but I’m really drawn to the takedown bows, I just think they look to cool lol
You would make a fantastic preacher. You can take a three minute topic and talk about it for twelve minutes! Well done.
Can you please review the takedown bow
What about metal vs wood TD riser?
sir kindly suggest me best iof riser for all kind of limf and draw weights. i want to get one for hunting purpose
Any riser can fit any limb but for hunting better choose short riser
I have 1 takedown and 3 one-piece. Although i agree with all the points you made, there is one thing you or nobody mentions, and that is: a takedown is heavy. Maybe not an issue for most, but for me it is.
This is not universally true. A takedown bow is not inherently heavy. You can get takedown bows which are, but you can also get takedown bows that are light, if not lighter than one-piece bows. This depends on the bow, not the type.
weight does depend on the type. A riser of a takedown will always be longer and bulkier becausse you need space to make a safe connection point for the limbs. What a bow can make lighter/heavier is the type of materials used (different types of wood/aluminium...)
one disadvantage of the takedown bow... it's generally a little more expensive than the 1 piece variant of the same build quality.
personally I have a 2 piece takedown 68" longbow, it looks like a 1 piece bow but it can be pulled apart to fit in the boot of my rather small car.
I don't think the expense is necessarily true, and often I see one-piece bows that are more expensive than their takedown counterparts.
by the same manufacturer or bowyer?
I'm not saying it can't happen, but I find this most unusual.
I have recently heard "takedown bows" and I was beginning to assume that a "takedown bow" was a bow designed to "take down" a living target.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
i mean with the right draw weight u could take down somthing
@@Izuyoi7215 well that's obvious now
I remember thinking the same when I first heard the term lol
Aren't takedown bows a bit noisier, because of vibration where the parts connect?
It's very dependent on the bow in question. There are also ways to insulate takedown bows to reduce noise. Survival Lily did a video where she lowers the noise of a very cheap Mandaring Duck takedown.
Yes, I saw that video. Seems a bit of a hassle having to do that in the first place, but I imagine that more expensive bows might be quieter.
James Badger * * Although Survival Lilly did an honest and good job of presenting / demonstrating spots of concern where improvement can be made, . . . I want an instructional video which goes into more close-up deatails about thickness of padding material, etc. etc. and fit, etc. etc. plus extra Riser tinkering . . .
Generally speaking, yes (in my experience). ILF can be especially noisy. They can be quieted down of course, it just takes some extra work.
Do you or anyone you know use a release with a traditional bow or a takedown recurve bow?
Havent seen it
Surely this is just a matter of preference
Hi i' m a canadian native , check the weight between both bows ! And this longbow is a flat american longbow , not a true longbow meaning primitive ! Honestly i prefer a true one piece longbow! II have a compound bow , PSE Carrol Intruder dating 1992 but i like to walk in woodland not to stand on a treestand :D A take down bow is the mid between primitive and mecanical bow !
Isn’t a one piece arguably stronger after shooting the arrow than a takedown? I feel like there is always the possibility of movement tolerance with a takedown. A one piece would feel solid all the time.
There's no basis for this. The bolted sections are not working parts and do not move. The centre of the limbs bend and the tips move, but not where it joins the handle. There is no failure point here. Remember that when the bow is strung, the limbs are locked in place because of the string.
So... I'll take a one piece
Thank you for explaining this for me. Is there any different between long and short bows? There was a video about a Korean bow that was made long ago where when you draw it back, the limbs give it more power. ( If I'm wrong, please let me know).
Thank you.
ILFs are more noisy aren't they?
i have a one piece , PSE legacy, 55 lb long bow,also a 45lb take down, recurve, sage, both great shooters, the recurve is alot faster than my longbow, in arrow speed,
This is the reason why recurve was invented by the nomadic horse archers, because the elasticity of the limbs more arrow speed per draw weight. That and their invention of composite construction allowed them to make effective bows that were also small enough to use from horseback (try firing an English war bow from a horse haha)
There is difference that you didn't mention - take down bows are heavier. It can be important when you are taking bow into woods or hunting (hunting bow need to be always fire ready). Second thing is that one piece hunters aren't as long as longbow so they are quite mobile.
m4rioboss nothing is as mobile as a compound bow..
Regarding weight, I don't feel like this is necessarily true or inherent to takedown / one-piece. You can get very light takedown bows, and some one-piece bows do feel heavier. The weight difference is marginal at worst, and if you're hunting, you're carrying far heavier things than the bow. As for the second thing, I never said anything about mobility. Yes, hunting bows are shorter and can be easier to handle in the field, but that isn't inherent to either type.
Go look at Cabelas or BassPros website. All re-curve, longbows, and takesdowns are 1.5 to 2.7 lbs. 1 piece Bear Archery Super Grizzly Recurve Bows 3.5lbs where the PSE Archery Nighthawk takedown is 2.5... soooooo yeah.
Depends on the rating ... A one-piece manufactured for a single weight can be lighter than a take down setup where the riser needs to be strong enough to handle 20-60 pounds spread of limbs. Also the attachment system (even if it is only one bolt per limb) is always extra weight compared to a one-piece.
2 piece takedown long bow I think is supreme. Can't think of a better bow.
The only disadvantage to some takedown bows is needing a tool to take it apart and assembling it, which you might loose or leave at home etc.
A disadvantage of the take down is you have to retune the string ( adjusting the tiller)every time you take it apart.
The best part i love IT
But you don't have to take it apart. Leave it in once peace, and you you have the same advantage to a selfbow.
@@MrFusselig Then why pay double or triple the price to buy a take down. Just put the money into a better bow.
What I noticed as an, I guess beginner, is; At first I bought an takedown bow with 30lbs.. wasn’t that easy but was fun...
Recently I bought an one piece bow with 40lbs and it’s super fun too... but it seems that the takedown bow with 30lbs is much more powerful than the one piece with 40 lbs
i watch this other channel where he tests bows draw weights as a part of reviews, and their rated specs can be off, some over, some under. sometimes by quite a bit.
I originally bought a low poundage, very nice Bodnik one piece bow. I love the aesthetics of a simple bow. However, I realized I was going to outgrow it pretty quickly. Bought the Mohawk take-down. Just a smarter move. I'll eventually buy some heavier limbs and use both. This video helped. Thanks.
I'd love to hear about the difference between shooting a takedown which has two limbs and a long stiff riser and a more traditional one piece where more of the bow is flexible.
Well, i wouldn't recommend keeping any bow stringed despite its type. Another thing worth mentioning is that take down is more durable for novice comparing to pure wooden bow. Recurve bows also accumulate more energy in irs curved form and therefore more powerful.
I shoot alot of wooden bows, might be different with that longbow you have, but I've always been warned by bowyers and sellers to always use a stringer. (Or the back of the leg method) And that using the method for stringing with the foot (like at 2:24) is actually harmful for the bow.
edit: Also there is indeed a disadvantage, a stupid one but still a disadvantage. If you takedown a bow, you can, for whatever reason lose a limb. This is never a risk with one-piece bows. So while one piece have the inability to change easily, you can never ever lose 1/3 (or 1/2) of your bow. Limbs can also look similar, so stealing limbs (because they are compact) is easier than stealing a one piece bow. One piece bows are not necessarily long btw, my Turkish one piece horsebow I shot today is just 42" when strung (47 ½” unstrung).
Honestly, that's a pretty stupid reason. If we follow that logic, a one-piece bow is disadvantaged because instead of losing 1/3 of your bow, you lose 100% of your bow.
Like I said, a stupid one. But still, imagine the difficulty of stealing a takedown, compared to a one-piece bow. It's just a night and day difference.
That didn't stop the club being burgled and losing nearly every bow that was strung up, takedown or no.
Shit, I'm sorry to hear that, bow theft is always a bummer regardless of what bow.
. . . NUSensei . . . oh dear !!!! grrrr. next xmas will be for the better, yes ?!
Take down because I can change the limbs on my $700.00 Hoyt riser and portability when on public transportation... no question about it!
Doesn't it get loose after years of usage
They are always loose when not strung. They come tight with the bow string.
Take down, if you dont want anyone to dry fire your bow 😉😉😉
I'm so glad I don't live a life where I feel at all concerned about that. Nobody has the opportunity to get near my bows without me telling them not to dry fire, or without me thoroughly trusting them to listen.
How exactly are you exposed to this risk?
unstring your bow. duh
Wow this was so intelligent
Can you get takedown longbows?
Yes
sure can. have a look at richard head longbows for example
hate take downs only advatige I've noticed is take down travels easier... solid one piece imo the best option
I get what you're saying but the one piece has been around for 1000s of years so that says a lot for them and people then are just as smart as us so if the take down is better how come they didn't make the but that's my opinion
Takedown bows have the benefit of modern materials and manufacturing tools. Takedown bows are a modern luxury for modern needs.
With the WHOLE PIECE bow UNSTRUNG ( is the size of a fishing pole👍)
One clear disadvantage to take-down bows, they're not conducive to different or multiple shooting styles.
This is more to do with the type of bow you are using rather than whether or not it is takedown. If you are using a bow that is designed to be shot off a rest or shelf, it's more or less locking you into the style it was intended for. If you are shooting an Asiatic bow, you can get some takedown models.
@@NUSensei I've searched around to try and find a riser that was more flexible in design but still strong and of good quality without much luck.
I drive a Honda CR-Z.
Long bow was never an option.
Waltham1892 i drive a Honda Fit. Longbow fits fine if the back seat is empty. ☺
Michael Soulier DON'T FLAUNT YOUR TRUNK SPACE!
So not cool...
Yes. This is a thing. My poor longboy gets too little attention because I have to post it through my Aygo boot, balanced on the back seat and posted into the front passenger seat foot-well.
:/
i had a beetle, in the 80s, i used to tie my longbow to the roof!it worked , with a roof rack, i made a pvc tube for it, held arrows too
@@dougeldredge Alas, there is no roof rack for the CR-Z.
Its to cool to have one...
@NUSensei , did your BEAR takedown have tolerance between steel bracket and limbs , like its wobbling a lots like this owner : ruclips.net/video/94HnVPrwjZY/видео.html
I like how one piece bows handle - much lighter and slimmer - but I like the fact that with a takedown bow I could actually carry it in a backpack if I had to. That said most of my takedown bows have never been dismantled. Mostly I ended up with more takedown bows than one piece bows simply because they were cheaper and available at the time. If you're looking for something like a 58" or other shorter length bow with a poundage of 60 lb, you don't have many affordable options and the used market is limited for lefties so you get what is there!