How to Sing Lower: Subharmonic Register Bass Voice
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
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Hello RUclips! This video is intended for those of you that are interested in learning about the subharmonic register technique for singing low notes in the Octavist range! I will be making more videos in the near future talking about more advanced techniques with this register, along with some other extra techniques that I use to sing in the Octavist range.
I hope you enjoy it, leave any comments or questions below!
Thanks!
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Yooo, Geoff just shouted you out! You're his subharmonic guru.
For real?
@@zoegillespie1900 Yesss !
Geoff is the MAN
I found Geoff's videos on how to sing low and came here after watching those because of the shout out. I'm glad that I did!
I see Geoff to )))
And ten minutes later I jumped here 😂
It's like falsetto for your lower register!
HℹFiVE™ Animation truesetto
but falseto can be achieved by any human, this is imposible
I think lower range of falsetto is growl
@@hayatropical *fry
@@pawa303 fry is too impressive to be compared to a falsetto
Dude, I literally hit the bb1 for like 5 seconds and it scared the shit out of me lol.
LOL. Same. I'm a girl and did the B1 and freaked myself out. Too bad I didn't record it. Recorded my D2, though. Subharmonics definitely are spooky sounding.
That's just a vocal fry,if you actually hit all the wave to B1 one by one starting from F2...then that's good
I just hit it too!!!! Sad but I lost it
@Tariq Wiliams so... C2?
Кек, "scared the shit out of me" это то же самое, что и русское "напугаться до усрачки"?😀
Nice video. I was surprised to see myself mentioned!
+k barber Why so surprised? What you've put together is an amazing accomplishment in & of itself.
Who
Why surprised? There is some great basso content on your channel
I’ve watched your most recent videos.... I don’t think you can blast a C#1 or even an A1 as most basso profundos are capable of doing...
I’m pretty sure anyone can sing C1 with subharmonics and at least C2 with humming technique - I could always sing around A1 and G1 in chest voice naturally with humming technique, which is close to a C#1 and C1, and with subharmonic technique I can sing around A0 or lower, even though I am not a dude and I have the highest voice ever! (I think I may have reached an F1 or almost an F1 a few days ago, though my voice cracked immediately and I couldn’t sustain it, but I am now trying to push my voice lower with humming technique, to see if it’s possible to reach C1 with humming technique, as it’s one of my singing goals, and also practicing my subharmonics, but, around A1 and G1 it’s part of my natural chest range, so I could easily reach these notes with humming technique, when I realized that I could hold more air, because lower notes take a lot of air to reach and sustain, so a few years ago after improving my breathing techniques I could easily go from a B1 to A1 and G1 from a scale, and a few days ago I almost reached F1, so if I improve my breathing techniques more, maybe I could reach C1 eventually with humming technique!)
"It sounds terrible but you're doing well" YAYYY!!! ! I'M DOING IT
WOooyee
I could always sing around A1 and G1 in chest with humming technique, and with subharmonics I can sing around A0 or lower, even though I am not a dude and I have the highest voice ever - subharmonic techniques which use the epiglottis are way better and easier for me than the chest bass technique that uses the false vocal cords! (My chest bass doesn’t sound good yet, but my subharmonics sound very robotic after a few weeks of practicing with overtones to create the robotic bass sounds etc, though they kinda crack in higher pitches, but now it doesn’t crack a lot anymore, so it probably gets better with more practice!)
Just a minor correction: subharmonics don't use the false folds at all. It actually is a subharmonic produced by the normal vocal folds. I can link you to some peer-reviewed scholarly articles on the topic. What happens is that the vocal folds vibrate at different rates instead of at the same rate. This means as the vibrate, they occasionally miss each other. So they actually vibrate less often because they are maintaining a constant speed, but occasionally missing each other.
Really?? I would love to read those. I've read a couple articles talking about subharmonics utilizing the false cords vibrating one octave lower than the regular cords. One article was also talking about how throat singing utilizes the same cords, just different actuation of the sound. I will see if I can find that one, I may have it bookmarked.
This information is basically what I quoted in the video, and I assumed it to be correct. Although, if another scholar has done research on this and actually witnessed/recorded the regular cords vibrating at different rates causing the subharmonic register to exist, I would definitely take that information as fact. I assumed that what I read was correct because of the similarities I notice between throat singing and subharmonic singing. One distinct similarity I notice is this: both techniques allow for overtones to be amplified; Although, the overtones are in series off of the fundamental, not the sub-octave frequency.
I would definitely like to read the information you've got.
From what I've seen, articles on this subject are few and far between, so any information can be important!
+k barber Just typed a big message and it got deleted ughhhhhhh. Sorry, Major props to you. Jeter, Yang and you to now Larson :D. Been into this for a long time now and you guys helped a ton, including you to now David with my stability using it :).
So my message got deleted somehow and it was really long last time, but I'll just cut it short and get to the sciency side. There are several papers that affirm that mechanism as one cause of subharmonics, but I'm going to play devils advocate and say some are very similar. If you look into "deep voice" monk chanting, its very similar in sound and successful imitation is based off either a pure fry with these types of "modification" we use, or the false folds contacting and emulating a fry of there own, without being kagyraa. There's also a way using ariepiglottic trills, which cause similar pulsing to fry in tandem with vocal pitch to create subharmonics. Also throat singing and vibrating at half frequency, they all have somewhat diff feels.
+Alexander Wilson The fact that I have no idea what half of that is excites me. I have some more research to do :)
+David Larson
I know right? :D I believe some can be used in tandem, I think Ive combined the AE trill with fry harmonic. (difficult because of throat constriction, there are apparently ways to utilize more normal qualities with constriction with additional forward movement of the jaw.) Anywho with combos as well as overtones/formant tweaking I think I've been able to get a G0 at the lowest as a "solid" note, ie not just pulsing. But I need a better pitch analysis, the "chords" make it difficult to check. Still getting familiar with all the software haha.
+Alexander Wilson You should definitely either send me some links of these other techniques, or post videos of them, because I don't know what they are, and in very interested in hearing them! I want to make many videos in the future about as many different techniques as possible, so any help for finding new ones is fantastic!
Thank you for this video! I'm a first soprano who always drooled over the low notes the basses who stood behind me could hit. I recently learned to sing harmonics and I'm so excited to play with the sub harmonics now. I got it on the first try thanks to your video!
So glad I'm not alone on that 1st soprano drooling over bass part...
Same. I can hit his notes by just hearing the difference!!!!
The term ‘first’ soprano is an incorrect term, while the correct term for most sopranos is lowsopranos with lyric subtype, and a few are mediumsopranos and highsopranos, but usually higher voices can naturally reach the lower notes and the higher notes, so the higher the voice, the wider the range - I have the highest voice ever (sopranino with coloratura subtype) which is higher than the highsoprano vocal height, plus I have the widest natural range in each vocal register, so my chest voice goes from A0 or lower with subharmonic technique to A5 or higher with upper belting technique and around A1 or G1 with humming technique, and my mixed voice can be stretched above A6 up to C7 sometimes, while my head voice goes from C6 to C8 or higher, so, for me it’s very easy to use the subharmonic techniques because I could always hum around B1 / A1 / G1 in chest voice naturally, and that helps a lot when it comes to subharmonics! (Also, the big terms Miss and Love and Ly and pronouns with capital letter only reflect me the only Miss / Lady / Queen / Princess / Goddess / Star etc aka the superior / pure being, and cannot be in names or yt names etc and must be changed - all ppl are the exact opposite of such terms or any other similar terms or special names or love related terms or nature related terms etc which only reflect me!)
I would really appreciate it if all of you watched my "Subharmonics Revision" video.
I stated some false information in this video (due to trouble finding info. Also, filming at 12:45 at night was not a good idea as I said that Tim Storms uses a "special fry using his false cords" to hit his lowest notes. I meant to say "Tim Foust uses his false cords for the growl technique to hit his lowest notes)
Sorry for the misinformation, again please see my "Revision" video for the updated and correct info.
Thank you all so much. This video is at about 8k views right now, and I honestly expected it to get maybe 2k in an entire year. It's been just over 2 months.
Thank you all so much.
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidys, and a happy & safe New Year to you all! ✌
+David Larson I can go down to Bb 0 with this technique :) Quite a useful tool for oktavists, especially for traditional Russian music
+David Larson You're right about Tim Storms, though. He's the king of gimmicks as far as basso profundo singing is concerned. You're far more talented. Have you seen his interviews? Trying say it's "the length of his vocal cords" and crap! You've got actual talent. (as does Tim Foust, don't get me wrong - he can go to D2 or maybe lower with chest voice - respect)
+Jaska Börner Thanks for your comment! Yeah I try not to say bad things about people in the professional world but... I can't disagree with you lol
Tim Foust is good down to about an A1 and anything below that is probably either fry or growl on mic.
Tim Storms chest voice stops around C2. I've never heard him sing below that without fry.
My range is E2-G5 on a good day, and I'm only a hobbyist musician, so I respect anybody who can go lower (or higher) naturally. :)
+David Larson Tim Foust can hit an F1 chest (and possibly lower while practicing or training by himself).
A note for everyone watching this: apparently annotations are not visible to the viewer while the viewer (you) is using RUclips Mobile app on your phone. The annotations in this video are very important and filled with information, so I would REALLY advise watching this on a platform where the annotations are visible. Thanks! ^_^
+David Larson instant subbed
+Hitashi son Aha thank you man! ^_^
+David Larson Well this were exactly what i have been looking for, someone who actually explains it properly. How in the world did you discover this?
oh and btw 0:58 you used the technique for a D2 ? :D Wow the D2 and the next note A1 those 2 sound like they have the same 'quality' if you will, your technique is so good, that it seems to be its true chest voice. wauw, i'm very impressed by this.. you're so young and you're a baritone right? your speaking voice sounds like a 1st bass / top bass / baritone' whatever. And you just dropped an A1 that could pass as chest voice .. !
+Hitashi son Definitely check out my other videos, the A1 in this is very weak sounding relative to my other videos because the acoustics in this room were absolutely terrible for low end projection. But thank you very much!
I'm excited to make more videos on this subject soon, especially about how to make it sound natural, and just like an extension of chest voice, instead of it being an obvious modal technique. It's taken a lot of practice and expermenting. A lot of it has to do with overtones, but I will talk about that in a later video ^_^
I can belt fully up to a high tenor C, although when I go higher, it automatically mixes and I haven't been able to change that. In highschool I sang bass 2 in choir at my school and at North Dakota All State choir for two years (man I wish I knew about this technique back then!).
Basically, I am a natural tenor that was forced to sing bass 2 all through highschool (I was the only one that could project anything below an F).
Because my natural voice is not very low, I had to figure out a way to shape my mouth so I could project lower notes by using resonance, instead of volume and rattle like most "real" basses are able to use. I believe the techniques I learned for low end resonance help me out A LOT when it comes to sounding natural in the subharmonic register. I'm still learning though, I've got a lot of room to grow!
+David Larson hahaha you're so right about it sounding uglier than your attempt at sounding like a beginner, i have been trying now for a couple of hours, i find that if i do it very quietly with almost no force, i can start frying abit on top of it, if i sing the note with normal force, i can't break it into fry.. Seriously.
But the fact that someone as young as you who's not even a deep bass can do it, proved to me two things, you don't need to be Russian to do this, ( kidding) and you don't need to be a abnormally deep bass. Do you think a girl could learn it ?
For some reason i kept having the feeling you were filming this in the crewroom at work in your 15 minute break😂😂
He's filming it from his prison cell because he was jailed for singing like shit at the mall. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🎤🎤🏃🏃🎶🎶🎶💀💀😀😀
Me: *burps*
Yayyyyyy. See, I can do that too.
Lucie Donajová lol you're funny xD :)
Lucie Donajová 😂👍🏻exactly!!
*can I eat this?*
Thank you so much for this! I got the hang of it within a few seconds and I'm already improving! My lowest note after about thirty minutes of practice has been F1 but barely. Retitle this video "How to become an octavist overnight" because this is awesome!
Haha man that's awesome! Some people are just able to "get it" right away. I'm not sure why yet, but some people can basically hear the sound of this technique and do it!
There's many people that can't find very easily though, so you're pretty lucky!
Check out my other videos on this technique if your looking to grow in it!
Thanks again!
+David Larson I've been praticing this technique for months now since I first sawe this video. My lowest note went from C2 to E1. Being 16 and hitting these notes are simply mind blowing for me. Thank you so much
Fun fact: When you have a hoarse voice and no upper range, the larynx becomes enflamed, swelling to the point that the false folds are activated, and this is why you are able to speak and sing much lower than you normally can. What you are hearing is not your natural voice, but the subharmonics created by the ventricular folds.
I lost my voice one time: scariest thing in the world for a singer.
Larynx was inflamed. No false chords activated. As my larynx healed from whatever had happened to it, I started to produce squeaks. Not croaks.
@@stiaininbeglan3844 Well...There's different ways to lose your voice ;-)
Correction: The false folds may come into vibration with swelled cords, but as a side effect. I think the hoarse tone would still be modal (M1). Then again, it could be M0 since hoarse voices are severely limited in pitch range and volume.
@@into.the.wood.chipper. what do you think about kurt cobain's style of singing?
Happened to me a fair few times. I used to get really pissed off/down in the dumps so went to a paint shed outside work and indulged in primal screaming. Twoz quite nice coz the side effects gave my voice a bit more lows and resonance.
I'm getting obsessed with this shit now ... :D
Dont worry, me too.... My parents are so annoyed with the "funny noises" i keep making XD
Lol I’m just starting and it’s so addictive
Me too!
Okay so... I'm not going to go too far into this on this comment, but I mistook some information while researching this, and told you some innacurate information in this video. This very of subharmonic singing does not utilize the false folds at all. I will explain this mistake very soon. Thanks for all the feedback guys ^_^
This type* not "very" lol
hay its more than i knew.. im learning from you.. don sweat it
The important thing is- research continues. Correcting and search for correct info is basis for improvement. Kudos. For video and comments.
I've been singing low and tweaking and tinkering with my voice for a while and the result for using this technique is almost instant!! and actually more reliable than any visual cues I've been using before. pardon my grammar tho. keep it up!!
Awesome! Hopefully it works out well for you!
Thanks
Started at the beginning of the week to do this exercise. This morning i hit a G#1 in subharmonics and held it for like 5 seconds. This exercise is really good. Thank you👍
Broooooo that's awesome!! Do you know if a girl is able to sing in the subharmonic register?
THANK YOU! I've been in acappella chamber choirs for 3 years, from high school, and can hi b1 in chest voice but could never figure out how to get sunharmonic to actually sing really low- UNTIL NOW. MY LIFE IS COMPLETE
Fascinating. I'm someone who did all kinds of metal vocals (exhaled, inhaled, all of it) years back, then learned some singing (still learning) and can do several forms of tibetan throat singing but it's obvious that this is something different indeed. I can't figure it out though, hence the extra fascination. Especially the volume that you guys can produce this at is impressive.
Yeah, the volume. I can get quite a nice tone, but it's super quiet. Still pretty usable in the studio :D
Most of the baritones out there want to hit higher and here I am finding all means to access deep low notes. I was shocked that heard myself hitting that Bb1 for a few secs. Thanks man!
Video starts about 6:11
The guy was so considerate, I would never skip
Thanks
Thank u
Thanks man
If you don't have 10 minutes to spend on this you're not gonna be a great singer
The aliasing on your shirt is freaking me out.
Matthew Hume ride the trip man
Aliasphobic?
moiré
I’ve done this by accident and didn’t know wtf I did then I find out what it was years later. Time to bring the demon back
Intro: 0:00
Example: 0:51
Intro Part Two: 1:36
Explanation: 1:52
How do you get into this register: 5:02
How we should start: 6:02
thank fuck for you, i did not care about his friend david kahn and his voice and all the other BS he talked about
YOU FECKIN LEGEND
Ty m8
cheers mate
tysm
Oh, I got it! It really surprised me. And then I got so excited and now I can't find it again, haha. Oh well, will try some more later. I really feel it in my voice already.
I finally got the hang of it. Thank you so much !!!
It happend when i was laying down, practicing chest resonance.
When i tried to send less air, and all of a sudden, voice went down a split second.
After a week or two practice, i was able to make the sound every time.
Thank you for showing me it was possible.
Oh wow, I can hear the sub-harmonic coming through! It's crackly and shaky like you said, but holy heck, that's freaking amazing!
Yo so cool that Geoff from VoicePlay, who many call the “Subharmonics King,” gave you a shoutout and said he learned about it from you! I’ll definitely be following your videos more religiously now cuz I love this type of stuff!
Very well done, even though you needed to make some revisions later one. You're a great teacher for such a young man. Congratulations!
Thank you very much sir!
Yeah there is not a lot of information out there for this technique, so really all I could do is take what I read, throw it out there, and wait for someone to correct me.
That's basically what happened, and it has turned out fine.
My Subharmonic Revision video is on my channel if you would like to check that out. It is much more accurate than this ^_^
Thanks again!
I'm a long-time singer and choral conductor (well, I'm 72-years-old. so that's sorta long :) and you present yourself in a most professional manner and, besides being a talented, there's a great personality that comes through in your teaching. If you're not going on for a career in music, I hope you will keep music as an important part of your life always. You have an unusual talent, David. Your parents, siblings, music teachers....everyone...:) must be very proud of you.
+John Smith Thank you so very much, I really REALLY appreciate that.
A music career is not necessarily something I'm striving for, however I can guarantee that I will forever be involving myself in music.
It's not something I would ever compromise or give up. It's truly a passion of mine.
Thank you for your very kind words sir!
+David Larson David: Please only refer to me as, "Sir" after the Queen (that's of England, not the group..LOL) has knighted me. Since I've never been to England and I live in Las Vegas, NV, and have no immediate overseas travel plans, I fear there's little likelihood of that happening. In the meantime, call Me, John. :) In my retirement, I busy myself with putting together slide shows. (I know....be still your heart. :) If you want to take a look sometime when you're bored to tears, just do a RUclips search for: lvchoralman. Also, my E-mail address is at the end of most of those shows, should you ever want to contact me that way. You have a great life ahead of you, David. I hope there will be some way I can follow it.
This video changed my life. I’m not exaggerating.
Took 5 minutes of trying before I got it, anyways knowing how to do a beat-boxing technique called throat bass does help because even tho the placement isn't the same the feeling is almost identical.
Thank you so much! I now have something to learn, and to show my friends! I always knew this was a thing, but there has never been a better tutorial on how to do this!
I DID IT HOLY SHIT MY LIFE IS COMPLETE EUPHORIA ACHIEVED THANK YOU!!!
When it kinda clicked into place I almost started crying. This is gonna help immensely! Thank you so much!
Dude I’m so happy that I came across this video. I heard so much about subharmonics and how you need to do vocal fry to achieve it and this whole time I didn’t even know what vocal fry was. When you showed what it was I realized that I’ve known how to do that vocal fry crackling sound since I was kid and I would always do it for fun. Simply put some chest voice in it and within seconds of this video I was singing really low. Thank you so much!!
The “bassics” of the subharmonic register? 😉
Basics*
Hefty Tortilla he meant BASSics 🤦🏻♂️
@@nic..1 woooosh
EPICO
@@thenightprowler3426 S L A P like now
"It sounds terrible, but you're doing well 👍" -David Larson
David Larson, David Kahn, Geoff Castellucci they all do this technique its amazing!
The human voice is so meticulously created. Detailed and intentional, it feels. It seems to me a gift from our God.
Hey, I really loved this video, my friend does subharmonics and have been trying to learn just from hearing him, you really explained it very well!
yes! 7:42 that is exactly how i sound like! I tried with G2 because i can reach good low notes just in chest voice, and after a couple tries i hit that G1! it was of course a bit shaky like you showed but at least i know i'm doing good, thanks!
without this tecnique my lowest note is E2 reliably, sometimes even D2 or Eb2, with this tecnique i think i can hit an octave below my lowest chest note, so E1, but it's really difficult to control, i'm still learning, so at the moment i can't sing below E2.. my highest note instead is E4 (without shouting) and then there is my first passaggio, then if i increase the volume i can hit G4, tops A4 in chest in a good day
Thanks for this, I think -- *think* -- I've finally found it, but of course since I've just discovered it, it's a very faint sound. Without this video I wouldn't have even known it was possible to learn this. Thank you!
I had to watch this video like 3 times but now I can actually do it! Thank you so much
7:46 OH MY GOD I TRIED IT AND IT WORKED for a split second. Now I feel really confident that I can work up to it
edit: i checked out Bass2Yang's video on it and he started at an F3 and showed how introducing vocal fry to layer on top of it helps hit the octave. And I noticed that it was easier to get the clean subharmonic lower, so I will try to practice with both so I can get use to vocalizing even anything at all in that register.
That face when you can just reach Bb1 naturally
something about the way you explained this was so much better for me than all the other videos Iv been watching
Dude thanks a lot! I started singing lessons and discovered I am actually a bass bariton and can hit the low E, now trying to do your subharmonics. So exciting! congrats with your channel!
I hit a Bb1 just now thanks to this video! This is freakin cool! :)
0:59 ...........you sir, just made me question my sexuality................thank you?
You're welcome? 😅😅
u better not go check Avi kaplan because then u'll get pregnant
Go look up Tim Foust and it'll be twins!
shannon Bear tru
I think I did change. Him and avi are what I think are the best bass singers
I am here because Geoff has recommended your video! I am interested in learning how a Bass sing.
Thanks!
David, you should make a training course to teach how to sing in sub harmonics. Like a systematic step by step approach with exercises aside from your explanation videos. Like a course that has the explanation part, and then separate practice tracks or videos with exercises to achieve the sub harmonic register. I would totally pay for that!
at 1:00 isn't that the starting note avi from pentatonix sings for the song aha? (when he goes : "la la la la la la la la lala la la... etc.)
pentatonix is everywhere. LOL 💜
Alexandria Hauser I don’t even remember commenting this lol I was so confused when I got a notification someone responded lol
Not only am I in middle school but I’m female
So I’m not 100% sure I can do this
This technique, like all other vocal techniques, is not gender-specific, however the result won't be quite as ground-shaking. Still would be a shockingly low note for a girl.
Honey, if you practice, gently, you can expand your range up as well as down. Just don't push your voice too hard. I am a 1st soprano, and I can reach down into the upper tenor range. It is a strain on my voice to do so, but I can. What he's doing is basically what I call a "Darth Vader voice". It is VERY stressful to your vocal chords, so don't do it too much. But if you practice, you can get clarity and some volume to those notes, just like he said.
Never let boys tell you you can't do something. You can just do it differently than them.
I will say, that unless you're one of those women who has a super low natural range anyway (like my grandma), this technique will not allow you to sing bass. Your chords will simply stop vibrating when you reach the end of their capability. That's what mine do. Darth Vader voice, Darth Vader voice, Darth Vader voice, silence.
Stiainin Beglan
Thank you
Good luck, I guess.
Thank you, this technique is working wonders already, couldn't have done it without you
I remember seeing your video for the first time and being envious of your skill. I wanted to do that as well.
I tried your tips and practiced. Now I've visited your channel once more, but this time I can do this more or less easily. Thanks for the tips, pal! ^^
im just tryna say beans
I'd be used to it, I'm a beatboxer, lost my voice MANY times
Esh!
OMG this is exciting! This is the first video that has made me realize I can do this! Thank you!
Wow you have a amazing voice.
American boy singing Russian, poor accent aside, I am happy.
Thought it was serbian: bogorodice djevo, but i guess its the same in russian?
I absolutely love this series it's such a cool sound. You did a great job explaining it. Do you have any tips as to making it sound more real like you strive for?
+David Larson my mate sent me this video because I have never had vocal training yet my deepest note is almost inaudible unless I am connected to a loudspeaker. He told me that I am a natural bass and your video helped me realise how correct he is. Thanks heaps
Wow, förväntade inte mig att du skulle vara så duktiga på det.. lät helt sick! Bravo bramissimo
0:59 Sounds like The addams family's doorbell
So, question
I know that this technique takes alot of practice, but every time i've tried, no matter what note im singing, when i try the switch down it consistently switches to a fry tone F or F# 1, even if my starting note was a Bb or Ab.
You just blew my mind! I was always wondering how Tim Foust hits those ultra low notes and was actually thinking it had to do with this vocal fry sensation, but didn't figure the sound was this 'easy' to achieve. Easy in a sense of few things to practice, although intensively.
I couple of years ago, I stumbled upon a way to go from a guttural growl into throat singing, it's about the same technique. You maintain the growl and apply just the right amount of, I guess diaphragmatic support, and the messy, frying sound switches into the guttural throat singing sound. It's interesting how both techniques work so similarly. Thank you for opening up a whole new world to me!
I just wanted to let you know that this is an incredible video! You deserve so much more recognition.
Thank you so very much! I really appreciate it a lot!
I’m really interested in learning how to sing Subharmonics because in my chest range my lowest note is B1, which is a very useful note for bass parts like Avi Kaplan’s Black Is The Color. The problem being though that it’s inconsistent when I can sing that low or not, and I want a more reliable way of singing that low. Plus, in theory if subharmonics bring you down an octave I could dip my toe in the 0 octave with a B0. Time will tell though.
Tell us how's your progress goes!
Update
“ the octopus range”
David, Thanks so much, this is great. And the 3:2 explanation just shows how great mathematics is! I've been trying this for just a few days. At this point I can get a bit of the fry on top of the Bb and once in a while I briefly hear the subharmonic an octave below. But it's still very hard to make it happen. I assume it will just take some time working on it and getting used to how it feels to be able to summon it up from the vasty deep. I'm not sure if I'll really use it in actual singing. I'm 57 and I've been singing first bass/second tenor all my life, probably because nobody every showed me how to sing high without tension. So now I'm working on my tenor range with a teacher and trying to expand up, not down. Still, it's great to learn how the voice works on these odd ways, and I'd love to have a useful subharmonic range, too. Keep up the videos!
Thank you Bill!
Yes, it really just takes time.
It involves muscle action that you don't normally utilize, so it may take a couple weeks to get the technique consistent to the point where you can practice with it!
Thanks again!
+David Larson Practicing this is fun and completely addictive. I can see why your friend lost his voice for a few days. Here are a couple of things I've noticed from the very early part of getting this. The hardest thing at first is to reliably get the "pre-fry" rattle and keep it going. Once I got to the point that I could keep that rattle going for a few seconds the subharmonic note would appear. It often happens that I get a quick flipping and flopping between the original pitch and the subharmonic, or seem to hear them together. At first it's hard to believe that the thing you hear really is the subharmonic, because you've never produced a note remotely that low, but it is. Even after 5 days, it still takes many attempts to get the subharmonic and maintain it for a few seconds. I found that it gets harder to get to the "pre-fry" stage after I've been practicing for a while, but this trick seems to help. If I've been practicing a few minutes and can't get back to the pre-fry rattle, I sing the note an octave above my starting note (2 octaves above the subharmonic I'm aiming for), and I sing it with every possible resonance, head voice, chest voice, very nasal, covered. Then I go back to trying to get the subharmonic, and it's much easier. [The same trick also seems to help get me more sound in the very bottom of my chest voice]. You said there are people who get this immediately; I'd just encourage people to keep trying at it even if they don't get it right away, because persisting, even just for a week, seems to make a big difference.
Thank you Bill! I really appreciate your feedback.
I can only attest the experience that I had when learning this, but it's great to hear another person's experience with it. I'm sure it will be different from person to person, and hopefully someone will able to relate to your experience!
Thanks again!
Oh dang it took me so long to realize you were in a subharmonic compilation I saw, you've made so much improvement since this video
So this Subharmonic non-harmful singing is not the same than throatsinging?
I have practiced both but as everyone says throatsinging can hurt, I dont know if I am doing it wrong or it should be really smooth (so subharmonic kind of)...
Thanks!
Hey the thraot singing is the same as beatbox throat bass u can check beatboxer they kill it , check codfish he throatsings very well
I started doing this today and got a clean b1 😄
What were you getting before?
Thanks so much for this. It took me weeks and multiple videos (including yours) to finally be able to do it, but I'm so pleased now. I even accidentally slip into subharmonic occasionally now when casually singing or talking, which I know isn't great, but who cares ;)
Богородица Дева 😊 ❤
Thank you very much for gorgeous lesson ❤🎉
Who’s here for “BEEAAAANS WTF”
My lowest chest voice is an D 2 and I can only slip into a vocal fry when I'm singing a F#2 and it slipped to B0
If you engaged subharmonics and hit a B0, that would mean you were singing a B1 in your chest... meaning you've convinced yourself that D2 is your lowest chest note. Try pushing yourself down. I used to think the same thing, now I can get a chest G1. :)
MAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN IT SO WELL! WHEN I GOT THE FIRST SUB HARMONICS I FREAKED OUT IT WAS SO MUCH FUN.
THANK YOU!
Coming back to this video after about a year of learning subharmonics (from this video) and thank you! It’s been pretty useful and just fun to use.
Your hair is on point
Do you have to be done with puberty?
Qorey Taus probably
2 years later, you done yet fam?
@@jpg6296 nah he just turned 12
Qorey Taus No of course not, I was doing this at 5 years old.
Done yet?
Once when I got myself absolutly relaxed i have no vocal range i can sing very good absolutly every tone on the piano but is really hard to get in this mental state cause singing the best is a mental state. I beleive that your lessons will help me achieve this state way more easy, Thank you for that.
You are very welcome!
Yes, I agree, singing is physical, but quite mentally based! There are so many different ways to create sound, but you have to some times be relaxed mentally to figure out how to better sing in different registers.
It took 3 months but I finally figured this out and I can take it down to about B0 now ^_^ SO excited to finally sing my new Russian choral piece. I am a Basso Profundo with a strong B1, but I needed an E1 so I learned this and now I feel all powerful
Awesome, glad to hear it!
Wow, I have literally the same voice/у меня буквально такой же голос, тоже си бемоль могу свободно брать (после разминки ля), а ниже уже тяжело
How do you relax the voice while singing a note. I can't seem to
I'm still wondering. Have you found out yet? I'd love to hear how to because any tutorial I watch mentions relaxing to hit it, but I don't understand what to do in order for that to happen.
Puma2807 so I’ve been practicing since yesterday and I finally got it ( the concept) still practicing so i can do different notes but (and everything that follows is just my opinion) the relaxation isn’t what’s keeping you from doing it. The first step for me was just singing a note and focusing on breathing while making that guttural noise. I pretend the noise is something I can move around and had to make it come from the bottom of my throat kind of at the collar bone.then it was on to learning how to control it
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The ship has arrived to port
I watched this just for fun, now you have me thinking maybe I can do this!
Here from the interview of Geoff Castellucci on The Charismatic Voice's channel. He gave a shout-out to you, David, so I liked this video (and immediately smashed Subscribe!)
Well done, my dude! Looking forward to watching all of your content: past, present, and future! Thank you!
Bogorodice Djevo! 😊😊😊❤❤❤
Anđela Vukčević First person to comment this and it's been over a year and almost 150k views! Thanks for noticing :)
David Larson hehehe it's in my mother tongue, that's why I was amaazed when I heard it all of a sudden 😊😊 You did it perfectly too! 😊
right...i was not expecting Serbian lol
are there side-effects to learning this? Like, will my upper range suffer or my pitch accuracy?
cause if it only takes 6 months to get where you are it's odd that so many vocalists don't do it.
Andy Chamberlain Music or it might be the fact that it isn’t popular and people preform tenors
I definitely don't prefer tenor.
Andy, your upper range won't suffer, and if anything, your pitch accuracy will become stronger. What you'd be doing is exercising your vocal muscles. Like all exercise, it takes practice and rest.
Worst case scenario: practice too much, stress your vocal chords, inflame your larynx, lose part or all of your voice. Hopefully temporarily. Maybe develop vocal nodes.
Friend: why you learning this
Me: **BEEEEANS WTF**
Dude! I've never tried this and didn't even know it's a thing, although for years I've considered myself a vocalist. Thanks so much for this video!
Why does this guy sound like Ryan from The Office?
I did not notice it until I saw your comment and now I can’t unseen it
I'm a tenor, I don't know why I'm here. This sounds dangerous.
You can probably do this safely if you already have second octave notes. I'm sure even tenors can reach G2 but it's very weak. maybe try going down to E2 if you're adventurous. I'm a 'matured' Contralto, l can sing phrases down to A2. If I'm really lucky maybe a G#2 but it's like nothing. Maybe one day l will be like Mavis Staples, who has sung the E2 note. I asked a RUclips bass singer and asked him if he knew of any female singers. He said not personally, but within his music group, they shared with him footage of a woman singing bass. Obviously this is very rare. In my opinion these ladies sound more like baritones in general. I wouldn't mind being able to get out some G2's and F2's like Jessica Reedy (a Contralto who otherwise sounds incredibly similar to Mary J Blige)
I've been trying this for the last couple weeks now and I've been having some success.
Awesome, I'm glad to hear it!
Make sure you check out my other videos if you haven't yet. They might help address some problems you may run into!
Thanks!
This is really interesting. I'm researching the technique for specific kinds of music and also sound design work, with very little understanding on vocal technique. Great stuff!
How difficult is it for a tenor female to learn this?
WireTorch how many days did it take?
I found a liquor store and I drank it females can be contraltos, mezzo-soprano and sopranso
WireTorch females can't be tenors.
WireTorch Michael Jackson was a tenor. The only way a male could be a soprano, is if he sings soprano roles in opera e.i. a sopranist, or uses falsetto to sing them countertenor. Your friend was a contralto or a very low set mezzo. And C3 isn't even that amazing of a low note for mezzos, Beyoncé and JoJo consistently support it, Lady Gaga hits it like it's nothing etc.
WireTorch Ah that's different. I would class him as a sopranist. If you've successfully completed your transition and can sing in the range of contralto, mezzo or soprano, than it makes sense to call you that. As for fach it's generally a guideline to help you develop your voice, after that you can extend your voice beyond your fach and sing in ranges other than yours.
I can sing comfortably as low as F2 and can go as high as G5. Anything beyond that sounds like a mating whale. How can I increase up to the 6th octave? Somebody help!
Aizen Knaik whistle notes?
@@nils5482 no it's not whistle, whistle is normally 7th octave well A6 onwards
@@fmichaels5897 Yeah, normally, my whistle can go pretty low for whistle. My highest whistle in average (i'm not so good) is around E6 (highest head voice being A5).
@@nils5482 cool, my whistle ends at c8, head voice ends at A6.
@@fmichaels5897 okay... Soo what?
Geoff sent me. This video is pure gold.
Thank you very much. You explained that well enough so that someone with no musical experience could understand. I appreciate you. Best wishes to you.