I agree Islamic point of view makes more sense than Judaism; God Almighty can never rest! if he create the Sun which is the most powerful source in the universe then how can he rest?!
@@dek1ng871 Sense is for people who are sensible to use their rationale to grasp sensibility of the debate which is your case is missing cuz you put no argument against her point but jumped to make judgement and claim that is a sign of somebody who is mentally insecure and ignorant.
@@truthprevails9180 well i assumed people have common sense but apparently not... So islam believes in jesus... jesus believed in the Torah (was a Jew) and you're telling me somehow islam decided that god doesnt need rest anymore? NOT HOW LIFE WORKS
Jonathan Soko We only say what God tells us about Himself. You however as Christian's believe things about God that He didn't say about Himself. No my friend you don't know God!
Jonathan Soko oh just take your medicine. Your claim was Muslims always say about the Hebrew language. Don't be jealous. As we would say in a basketball ball game. When you go to take the shot. And it gets slapped down. In your face!
Jonathan Soko why i say emotional. Is i believe you were probably brought up Christian. There is no logical rational reason to accept God is part of a Trinity. Either intellectually or based on evidence. Even your own bible largely disagrees. So my advice is to worship the Creator alone. Don't associate partners with God ie the Trinity. There is no point for you to respond. This is not up for debate.
Jonathan Soko that is a total red harring! Is that what a man of God does. You can't prove your belief with or without the Bible. Yes it's my opinion. I've come to this belief using my God given intellect. My God given ability to reason and use logic. Now I've given credit to God. Like Jesus said of thy own self i can do nothing. So it's not arrogance. If your not a Christian putting aside the Bible. You still can't make your case. I've heard enough from all sides to deny your ability to challenge my position. Hence the reason i say it's not up for debate. Another word for debate is to argue. A man of God doesn't need to argue.
GOD does NOT regret (He knows past & future) He punish after he give many many time & opportunities to his creation to repent. All of us are given time and opportunities to use the free choice he gave us to make the just choice....
It's Nice to See Muslims and Jews Getting Along and having a nice Discussion. We should work together to make Peace. At the End of the Day we are all Human.
Deuteronomy 18:18 : I will raise up for them a prophet LIKE YOU from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him Deuteronomy 34:10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel LIKE Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
Brother Shamsi is a truely good in debates, and I love his way of doing it. Beautiful debate, thanks for Brothers who did the debate, you guys who recorded it and shared with us. Salute
There is nothing wrong with the Torah's use of the word "rested," because that can simply mean that God "stopped" since he had finished creating the universe. The big problem for Jews and Christians is the Torah saying that God was "refreshed," which by definition means to re-energize or rejuvenate yourself after a LOSS of energy. This would mean that God did not have infinite energy to begin with, which means he simply cannot be God.
leadfarmer I'm not sure exactly what your question means. But my point was not about the 6-day creation, which is actually a belief that Islam holds. The central issue here is the Torah's statement that God was "refreshed" after creating the universe, which is an attribute of IMPERFECTION. And God, by definition, cannot be imperfect. In contrast, the Quran says that God Almighty (Allah) created the heavens and the earth in 6 days but NO FATIGUE OR WEARINESS TOUCHED HIM (Quran 50:38) Thus the Quran corrects the Jewish & Christian scriptures and reaffirms God's complete perfection and infinite might & power. I hope this makes sense. Peace.
Abdul S. Just because"Refreshed" is a human quality, that does not mean it cannot apply to G-d in a metaphorical way. Why do humans have eyes? Because without eyes, humans can't see. So when Quran talks about G-d's "eyes" does that imply that He cannot see without eyes? Or when it talks about G-d's hands, does that mean He cannot do something without hands? Obviously not. These are metaphors. Torah speaks in the language suitable for human ear. When Torah says G-d was "refreshed", it means He contaminated His creation.
Mo Al when looking at Aramaic translation called Targum Onkelus, he uses the same root word when translating the verse of Noah's ark "stopping " on mount Ararat. So clearly the ark wasn't tired, and yet is says as if it "rested". Therefore "rested" could mean stopped. As far as "refreshed" there is also an explanation of what it actually means.
Blessed is HaShem, the G-d of Israel. You still have not explained why the Christian and Jewish scriptures affirm that God was "refreshed" after the creation of the universe, which is the CENTRAL issue of this discussion. Refreshment NECESSITATES a previous loss of energy, which is a quality of imperfection which God Almighty cannot have, by virtue of his very nature and essence. You mentioned that it could have been metaphorically used, as God in the monotheistic scriptures (including the Quran) say that God has eyes. This is FALSE. Nowhere does the Quran say that God has eyes, but it simply says that he sees all things (which obviously alludes to a divine attribute of "seeing" that we cannot comprehend otherwise). But even IF the Quran said such a thing, this is not a valid analogy. Why? Because "seeing," by definition, does not necessitate limitation and imperfection; but rather the opposite when it is applied to God Almighty, the All-Seeing. On the other hand, the word "refreshed" BY DEFINITION necessitates restriction, limitation, and imperfection, which can in no way shape or form be applied to God Almighty the Creator. And to selectively and subjectively interpret this word as being "metaphorical" does not help your case, because it's meaning both figuratively AND in reality must necessitate imperfection due to the very use of the word "refreshed," which you believe God himself used to describe himself in the verse of Genesis. So your case, with all due respect, has not yet been established at all, and we are left with nothing but the Jewish scriptures portraying a limited God, which should be totally rejected. This is exactly why the Quran corrects it, and reaffirms God's infinite power and majesty. Peace.
Free will was given to man to do as he please but his test is to reflect, ponder and and worship his creator. Man is full of regret of deficiencies and imperfectio, for this he prostates to Allah for forgiveness. Allah has no regrets Allah is ultimately perfect.
(13:25) that's a valid point. If He Knows what you're going to pray what's the point of praying?.. What's the point of Him existing if He Knows everything everyone is going to do and say?
God is all knowing, he knows everything and the future, but he is also the most just. Imagine if you were born as a baby (this baby in the future will become a murderer and a great sinner) so God says to this baby, i know your future i will put you in the hellfire. That is not true justice because the baby has not committed those sins yet, he himself yet as not attributed those sins and evil actions yet by performing this, this is why God gives us free will to choose our actions, what we do with our actions and attribute to ourself on the day of judgement we do not have an argument against God because we ourself have committed those misdeeds and sins so it would be just for him to punish us. Hope this makes sense
He may be surprised by Shamsi's answer but then again Christianity believe Jesus is the son of Gd and therefore that the point the Jewish guy was making is still valid. Shamsi asked would Gd allow people to follow a false prophet on such a scale? Well the answer is well Gd allowed Christianity that believe Jesus is the son of Gd which obviously Islam does not believe. Over to you now...
@@progsamyes brother but we Muslims can do nothing. It is Allah, the most High and the truth(Islam) which shines clear and bright and will continue to do so insha Allah Alhamdulillah.
@@AbdulBasit-it7ff Yes of course my brother, We do nothing except with the will of Allah SWT. Allah SWT says in Quran 15-9 "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." So it is The Power of our Lord who preserves The Quran and His beautifuel religion Islam.
I understand the Jewish kids position on regret. The verse in context implies God regreted. We as Muslims disagree. God doesn't regret. We Muslims believe God is perfect.
Alsalamo ALAIKOM . First, thank you for submitting these debates. But why there is no translation into Arabic. Can we ask you to translate the upcoming debates into Arabic? Preferably previous debates too.
Just because"Refreshed" is a human quality, that does not mean it cannot apply to G-d in a metaphorical way. Why do humans have eyes? Because without eyes, humans can't see. So when Quran talks about G-d's "eyes" does that imply that He cannot see without eyes? Or when it talks about G-d's hands, does that mean He cannot do something without hands? Obviously not. These are metaphors. Torah speaks in the language suitable for human ear. When Torah says G-d was "refreshed", it means He contamplated His creation. Now while we are on the subject, the Hebrew word used here is Nafash, which means "soul". So I'm not even sure why they keep translating it as "refreshed". It's more like "and He Souled"(if there is such a word). Meaning, He gave a spiritual aspect to the physical world. In fact, this is why it is the 7th day, as opposed to 8th or 6th. According to Maharal of Prague, in our 3D world, every physical object (or physical being) has 6 sides. It is the 7th side, which we cannot see, which connects the soul of that object (or being). (PS. Yes, according to Judaism even inanimate objects have some kind of a soul). Hence the 7th side of the world, is what gives it spirituality.
quran.. sirah nabawiyah (phophet muhammad saw history).. shalat book.. thats enough for early.. when you completed the above book.. you can added yr library with quran tafseer ibnu katsir and hadits shahih bukhari muslim..
This is how we get along . we debate eachother in every way Christians muslims jews and non believers must be mature enough and just enough to speak freely . Our true starting piont should be the individual and collective belief that We Are of the One GOD . Only after this can we find dialogue and evolution in our civilization's . THOU CREATOR AND OUR ONE TRUE GOD CREATED US CREATIONS IN THY IMAGE AND THY LIKENESS . WE ARE ONE . THEREFORE WHO IS THEE . I AM THAT I AM .
I think the "poor kid" answered him very well. Any use of human terms in reference to Gd is a limitation and therefore cannot be taken literally. In the same way Shamsi explained the pluralistic term in which Allah was referenced to in Qu'ran it should not be hard to understand in the same vain Gd rested (which in English can also simply meane to cease) or "regretted" that we don't take this amphromorphisms literally. Does the Quran describe Allah as merciful? Yes. Yet one can understand that Gd's mercy is good but on a human level mercy can be used for good or bad. Is Gd described referenced as He in the Quran? Yes. Obviously we don't therefore make the accusation that Gd is a human male. I think Shamsi keeps bringing this point up against the Torah but if he really thought about it he would understand any form of amphromorphism in the Quran, whether is describes what is largely thought of as good or even neutral is a form of limitation and therefore cannot be taken literally.
Allah knows everything. It is also clear from when Allah states to the angels that he'll create man. The angels questioned Allah asking 'will you create one who will cause bloodshed yet we worship and praise your name.' Allah told them, that he knows what they don't. Alhamdullilah for Islam. We don't need to use parables or our opinion, the truth is self evident for anyone who is interested. Alhamdullilah.
The fact that G-d does not get tired is explilcitly expressed by Prophet Isaiah in chatper 40, verse 28. "Do you not know-if you have not heard-an everlasting God is the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth; He neither tires nor wearies" So whatever Vayinafash (which wrongly translate as "refreshed") means, does NOT mean He was tired.
I don't speak Ivrit, Hebrew but in the traditions, G-d has human necessities, emotions, attributes and needs but if G-d is infinite then, all human Anthropomorphic language applied to G-d is human impose
قال تعالى : ( وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلاَئِكَةِ إِنِّي جَاعِلٌ فِي الأَرْضِ خَلِيفَةً ، قَالُواْ أَتَجْعَلُ فِيهَا مَن يُفْسِدُ فِيهَا وَيَسْفِكُ الدِّمَاء وَنَحْنُ نُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدِكَ وَنُقَدِّسُ لَكَ ، قَالَ إِنِّي أَعْلَمُ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ ) البقرة/30 even the angels new what was going to happen,no place for regret
Shamse is knowledgeable person about Islam and he really please his curator instead of tha people but he should give his opponents more time to respond to his questions
or put it more simply its says the in the book refreshed, and the word refreshed comes after someone is getting tried and need to regain hes engrey again.
surah3 v78 There are some who twist the Scripture with their tongues to make you [people] think that what they say is part of the Scripture when it is not; they say it is from God when it is not; they attribute lies to God and they know it.
Shamsi is very brilliant and human at the same time. Under G-D (Allah, Hashem = Many Names for the ONE ALMIGHTY), every Jew is a Muslim. All Muslims that teach G-Ds (Allahs) words (Torah & Qur'an) are Jews (or Chosen people). Chosen just means that you accept G-Ds responsibility to spread his laws and expectations to all others. Therefore, Shamsi is a Chosen person (or in layman's terms a Jew & Muslim in one). To really know G-D (Allah) we must understand a few very important concepts. [1] When G-D is described as perfect, the real meaning of perfect in this context refers to "Completely Just". It does not refer to the human term of "never making a mistake". G-D has no ill will towards anything and always judges without prejudice. Punishment for your actions by G-D is not done with any ill will and does not have any evil intentions. G-D is the Highest Power or Most Powerful, however this does not mean that creation does not have limits. Being the Almighty, does not mean that G-D has no feelings (like Love, Hate, Anger and Joy). [2] G-D does not know the exact future, however he can intervene and set a path, journey, or create a scenario at any point of what we perceive as Time. In other words, he can predict the future by making the prediction happen at the time & place of G-Ds choice. The Future is not set in stone and proof of this is G-D giving us free will. It is impossible to have Free Will and to have the future planned out. G-D can hear our thoughts and is able to see everything, and therefore he knows what actions we are presently making. With G-Ds Intelligence at a level so high we cannot even begin to comprehend it, of course he can see the direction the world is heading in, but this is not the same as knowing the exact future, which would mean that everything is planned out already and therefore there is no choices to be made. Hence, then there is no point in life with free will. G-D is the ultimate parent (father) of all life and as a Good Parent wants what is best and most just for all of his creations. [3] G-D did not create religion (man made cults). G-D gave us his laws and expectations to direct us in a positive and proactive just life (As any good parent would want for their children). These Laws & Expectations given to humanity can be found in the Torah & Qur'an. There are no contradictions between these two books of G-D. There are some slight differences as far as responsibilities, however the Belief & Praise to the One True Almighty G-D of Abraham is Equal in all aspects. The purpose of both the Torah & Qur'an is to layout the differences between Good & Evil or Good Deeds\Intentions and Ill Will\Bad Intentions. G-D gave us instinctual behaviors to survive and flourish, and the Torah & Qur'an are the instructions on how to utilize these behaviors without letting them get out of hand or drift in the wrong direction. Love & Fear are the keys to Proper Control and must be maintained in an equal balance. To Shamsi, you have the light of G-D (Allah) in you, keep on your path to bring your light to humanity. We need the entire world to believe in the One True Almighty for Peace to ever be a reality. Without the Love & Fear of G-D (Allah) there is only anarchy. PEACE & LOVE TO ALL. ** One more important point that I forgot to address: The change that Shamsi refers to towards the Torah, is what is called the Oral Law in Judaism. It is not the actual Torah that is corrupt or changed in any way, however the Oral Law is the corruption in a perverted translation of the Torah. Also, the Qur'an states that Jesus was a Messenger and NOT the Messiah or a god.
The Talmud explains this phrase "regret" as follows: A Roman came to Rabbi and asked him, "Why did G-d become sad when He saw the humanity got corrupted? Didn't G-d know that humanity would get corrupted?" The rabbi answered "When your son was born, didn't you know that one day he will die? So shouldn't you have been crying when he was born? No, obviously not. Even though you knew he would die, there is a time for happiness and there is a time for sadness." When G-d regret, it means G-d was sad (sort of speak) about the result. I think same can apply to Soul.
Muhammad Alhasan I think these are limitations of translations. I think it is more proper to translate that word as "reconsider". I think it's not problematic theology for G-d to reconsider. For example, when Jews sinned and G-d wanted to destroy the people, Moses pbuh started to pray, and it says that G-d "reconsidered." Same Hebrew word is used. I mean isn't that what prayer is all about? G-d is about to do something, a person prays, and G-d reconsiders. Sometimes the opposite can also happen.
brother Shamsi i don't know if you gonna read this comment cuz it seems that you don't read comments if you do then i should receive a comments back for the previous ones; however i would ask you this; where's the second part of this video cuz now it's 2019 and the video was made in 2017 and you said wait for part 2 ???
Any use of human terms in reference to Gd is a limitation and therefore cannot be taken literally. In the same way Shamsi explained the pluralistic term in which Allah was referenced to in Qu'ran it should not be hard to understand in the same vain Gd rested (which in English can also simply meane to cease) or "regretted" that we don't take this amphromorphisms literally. Does the Quran describe Allah as merciful? Yes. Yet one can understand that Gd's mercy is good but on a human level mercy can be used for good or bad. Is Gd described referenced as "He" in the Quran? Yes. Obviously we don't therefore make the accusation that Gd is a human male. I think Shamsi keeps bringing this point up against the Torah in other videos but if he really thought about it he would understand any form of amphromorphism in the Quran, whether is describes what is largely thought of as good or even neutral is a form of limitation and therefore cannot be taken literally.
The Hebrew word translated into regret in English for the English bible doesn’t have the same meaning. The Jewish people do not read he English bible for this reason.
What this Jewish guy says its false he does not even know Musa(ASL) was married to a Midian women who's father could trace back his origins to Ishmael(ASL) so don't go around claiming that Jews were the only ones who did not practice idolatry because the Midian's believed in ALLAH.
Is that really an argument tho? Shamsi, why would God allow all these countless cults and false religions with leaders who claim to be prophets after Muhammad? And when it comes to the word 'rest', there is a difference between resting because you have to sleep and CEASING from a work a.k.a simply Stopping.
@Esam Rahman I don't get it ... Why you are mad about that ?! I sad something and you understood it by your way ... 2. Do not make your self as juje and make people stupid and smart like you want ...
@Esam Rahman it's honor for me to make you happy hhh xd 2. Talk properly to people firstly and i am not deleting anything you Can ask me what i mean and i will tell you insteed of that talk
interesting, Iam not Arab, can someone please tell me if the Quran use the word day/days or period of time? ofc Iam referring to the chapter of Quran wich mentions about creation of the world or everything. tnx
When Moses ask allah aza wajjall do you get rest or sleep my lord and how do you hold this heaven(universe)he said o Moses hold two cup’s of water in your had and try to sleep and see what happen? Same that god never rest or sleep (Lo! Allah graspeth the heavens and the earth that they deviate not, and if they were to deviate there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Lo! He is ever Clement, Forgiving.
Wrong translation! Torah does not say rest. Torah says וַיְבָרֶךְ אֱלֹהִים אֶת-יוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי, וַיְקַדֵּשׁ אֹתוֹ: כִּי בוֹ שָׁבַת מִכָּל-מְלַאכְתּוֹ, אֲשֶׁר-בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים לַעֲשׂוֹת. And God has blessed the Shabbat, the 7th day. And He made this day holy. Because on this day he STOPPED all of creating.
Muslims cannot come to grips with the term "regretful" God as expressed in the Old Testament (understandably so because Allah is Almighty and Allah cannot make mistakes). Hence, the expressions in the Hebrew Bible is rejected and to be replaced by the Koran. The word regret has to be understood in the context of free will. Despite knowing that many men will make the bad decisions in life, God still permitted the existence of mortal men who turn evil. WHY?? God regrets that men make wrong decisions but he doesn't regret about his fallen creation as there are also many who turn away from their errors. He didn't want to create robots who only do good, he wanted free will man who choose to do good and follow God. Ultimately, men will all know God, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea (Isaiah 11:9). For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD, Repent and live! (Ezekiel 18:32). God didn't create men for the sake of destruction. He created men to live and enjoy his creation and rule over it (Genesis 1:26). If God wanted us to be in heaven, he wouldn't create earth. Earth will be perfected in the messianic age.
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I hope Allah guides him. Brother Shamsi is amazing as always
I agree Islamic point of view makes more sense than Judaism; God Almighty can never rest! if he create the Sun which is the most powerful source in the universe then how can he rest?!
you make 0 sense
@@dek1ng871 ALLAH HAS POWER OVER EVERYTHING
dEk1nG Who?
@@dek1ng871 Sense is for people who are sensible to use their rationale to grasp sensibility of the debate which is your case is missing cuz you put no argument against her point but jumped to make judgement and claim that is a sign of somebody who is mentally insecure and ignorant.
@@truthprevails9180 well i assumed people have common sense but apparently not... So islam believes in jesus... jesus believed in the Torah (was a Jew) and you're telling me somehow islam decided that god doesnt need rest anymore? NOT HOW LIFE WORKS
This is such a simple concept. God is perfect therefore God does not need rest.
Jonathan Soko why because you interpret in a way that suits your belief. Take it on evidence not your emotions.
Jonathan Soko We only say what God tells us about Himself. You however as Christian's believe things about God that He didn't say about Himself. No my friend you don't know God!
Jonathan Soko oh just take your medicine. Your claim was Muslims always say about the Hebrew language. Don't be jealous. As we would say in a basketball ball game. When you go to take the shot. And it gets slapped down. In your face!
Jonathan Soko why i say emotional. Is i believe you were probably brought up Christian. There is no logical rational reason to accept God is part of a Trinity. Either intellectually or based on evidence. Even your own bible largely disagrees. So my advice is to worship the Creator alone. Don't associate partners with God ie the Trinity. There is no point for you to respond. This is not up for debate.
Jonathan Soko that is a total red harring! Is that what a man of God does. You can't prove your belief with or without the Bible. Yes it's my opinion. I've come to this belief using my God given intellect. My God given ability to reason and use logic. Now I've given credit to God. Like Jesus said of thy own self i can do nothing. So it's not arrogance. If your not a Christian putting aside the Bible. You still can't make your case. I've heard enough from all sides to deny your ability to challenge my position. Hence the reason i say it's not up for debate. Another word for debate is to argue. A man of God doesn't need to argue.
brother shamsi moree of him!!!!! youre the best brother respect!!!
I will say all the Muslim brother doing their best.
May Allah bless all of them. ❤️❤️🕊🕊
I'm a Muslim brother from Ghana and I will be glad to get Intact with you whenever I wanted to ask any question
May Allah SWT bless brother Shamsi and reward him in this life and the next. Ameen.
Ali Ayoubi Ameen
a shout out from New York God bless you my Muslim brother beautiful knowledge...
Mary when did you revert because your previous comment says otherwise thanks for response
God bless you brother shamsi the best ..Algerian from my country ...thanx
Mashallah Alhamduulillah the Muslim man is very humble and know the Quran is very well
The muslum.man is name shamsi from my country Algeria god bless you sister
Brother Shamsi has a such a beautiful personality !
GOD does NOT regret (He knows past & future) He punish after he give many many time & opportunities to his creation to repent. All of us are given time and opportunities to use the free choice he gave us to make the just choice....
Ali Dawah in the back😂
hahahahaha i know
Misguided person
As always 😭
creeping
Well mannered guy, may Allah guide him.
im algerian in the philippines. bigs up shamsi. salam.
brother shamsi youre the best brother respect good thank you.
Look how we muslims are fiercely defending Jesus.
Islam the religion with no doubt at all.
It's Nice to See Muslims and Jews Getting Along and having a nice Discussion. We should work together to make Peace. At the End of the Day we are all Human.
Deuteronomy 18:18 : I will raise up for them a prophet LIKE YOU from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him
Deuteronomy 34:10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel LIKE Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
Brother Shamsi is a truely good in debates, and I love his way of doing it.
Beautiful debate, thanks for Brothers who did the debate, you guys who recorded it and shared with us. Salute
Bro shamsi u are amazing ma sha Allaah
Alhamdhulillah . Nice brother
Love you brother Shamsi for the sake of Allah
There is no yelling in this alhamdulillah
Because it's doesn't involve 1+1+1=1🤡🤷♀️
god bless brother Shamsi .
Love your RUclips videos and your team of Brother's
u ptm brain washed person
Lanat manzoor pashteen pay gaddar hai woh.
If you follow him, you are no less than commiting kufr
Very good question
There is nothing wrong with the Torah's use of the word "rested," because that can simply mean that God "stopped" since he had finished creating the universe. The big problem for Jews and Christians is the Torah saying that God was "refreshed," which by definition means to re-energize or rejuvenate yourself after a LOSS of energy. This would mean that God did not have infinite energy to begin with, which means he simply cannot be God.
Abdul S. why does it say he created in 6 days
leadfarmer I'm not sure exactly what your question means. But my point was not about the 6-day creation, which is actually a belief that Islam holds. The central issue here is the Torah's statement that God was "refreshed" after creating the universe, which is an attribute of IMPERFECTION. And God, by definition, cannot be imperfect. In contrast, the Quran says that God Almighty (Allah) created the heavens and the earth in 6 days but NO FATIGUE OR WEARINESS TOUCHED HIM (Quran 50:38) Thus the Quran corrects the Jewish & Christian scriptures and reaffirms God's complete perfection and infinite might & power. I hope this makes sense. Peace.
Abdul S. Just because"Refreshed" is a human quality, that does not mean it cannot apply to G-d in a metaphorical way. Why do humans have eyes? Because without eyes, humans can't see. So when Quran talks about G-d's "eyes" does that imply that He cannot see without eyes? Or when it talks about G-d's hands, does that mean He cannot do something without hands? Obviously not. These are metaphors. Torah speaks in the language suitable for human ear. When Torah says G-d was "refreshed", it means He contaminated His creation.
Mo Al when looking at Aramaic translation called Targum Onkelus, he uses the same root word when translating the verse of Noah's ark "stopping " on mount Ararat. So clearly the ark wasn't tired, and yet is says as if it "rested". Therefore "rested" could mean stopped. As far as "refreshed" there is also an explanation of what it actually means.
Blessed is HaShem, the G-d of Israel. You still have not explained why the Christian and Jewish scriptures affirm that God was "refreshed" after the creation of the universe, which is the CENTRAL issue of this discussion. Refreshment NECESSITATES a previous loss of energy, which is a quality of imperfection which God Almighty cannot have, by virtue of his very nature and essence.
You mentioned that it could have been metaphorically used, as God in the monotheistic scriptures (including the Quran) say that God has eyes. This is FALSE. Nowhere does the Quran say that God has eyes, but it simply says that he sees all things (which obviously alludes to a divine attribute of "seeing" that we cannot comprehend otherwise). But even IF the Quran said such a thing, this is not a valid analogy. Why? Because "seeing," by definition, does not necessitate limitation and imperfection; but rather the opposite when it is applied to God Almighty, the All-Seeing. On the other hand, the word "refreshed" BY DEFINITION necessitates restriction, limitation, and imperfection, which can in no way shape or form be applied to God Almighty the Creator.
And to selectively and subjectively interpret this word as being "metaphorical" does not help your case, because it's meaning both figuratively AND in reality must necessitate imperfection due to the very use of the word "refreshed," which you believe God himself used to describe himself in the verse of Genesis. So your case, with all due respect, has not yet been established at all, and we are left with nothing but the Jewish scriptures portraying a limited God, which should be totally rejected. This is exactly why the Quran corrects it, and reaffirms God's infinite power and majesty. Peace.
bro Shamsi my favourite
thank allaah for the merciful religion of Islam
The answer is "god is above time and space", god dosn't need time. God makes time for us to pass the test.god subhanaho wa ta3al is eternal.
Free will was given to man to do as he please but his test is to reflect, ponder and and worship his creator. Man is full of regret of deficiencies and imperfectio, for this he prostates to Allah for forgiveness. Allah has no regrets Allah is ultimately perfect.
Shamsi looks like a curly haired adam sandler
May Allah give hedaya to this gentleman!!
(13:25) that's a valid point. If He Knows what you're going to pray what's the point of praying?.. What's the point of Him existing if He Knows everything everyone is going to do and say?
God is all knowing, he knows everything and the future, but he is also the most just. Imagine if you were born as a baby (this baby in the future will become a murderer and a great sinner) so God says to this baby, i know your future i will put you in the hellfire. That is not true justice because the baby has not committed those sins yet, he himself yet as not attributed those sins and evil actions yet by performing this, this is why God gives us free will to choose our actions, what we do with our actions and attribute to ourself on the day of judgement we do not have an argument against God because we ourself have committed those misdeeds and sins so it would be just for him to punish us. Hope this makes sense
16:55 wow i can feel his shock
O allah guide him to islam amen
Hhhh yesss he is skocked when realized that muslims beleive in Jesus 😂😅
He may be surprised by Shamsi's answer but then again Christianity believe Jesus is the son of Gd and therefore that the point the Jewish guy was making is still valid. Shamsi asked would Gd allow people to follow a false prophet on such a scale? Well the answer is well Gd allowed Christianity that believe Jesus is the son of Gd which obviously Islam does not believe. Over to you now...
TORAH SAYS YOUR LORD GOD IS ONE
Muslims won this one.
Alhamdollilah اسلمي لله تسلمي
Muslims win all ones 😁
@@progsamyes brother but we Muslims can do nothing.
It is Allah, the most High and the truth(Islam) which shines clear and bright and will continue to do so insha Allah
Alhamdulillah.
@@AbdulBasit-it7ff Yes of course my brother, We do nothing except with the will of Allah SWT.
Allah SWT says in Quran 15-9 "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian."
So it is The Power of our Lord who preserves The Quran and His beautifuel religion Islam.
@@progsam indeed my brother 😊😊
Jazak Allah khair.
I understand the Jewish kids position on regret. The verse in context implies God regreted. We as Muslims disagree. God doesn't regret. We Muslims believe God is perfect.
Alsalamo ALAIKOM .
First, thank you for submitting these debates.
But why there is no translation into Arabic.
Can we ask you to translate the upcoming debates into Arabic?
Preferably previous debates too.
MashAllah la quwwata illa billah... Shamsi's bottle of juice barakAllahu feek!
Just because"Refreshed" is a human quality, that does not mean it cannot apply to G-d in a metaphorical way. Why do humans have eyes? Because without eyes, humans can't see. So when Quran talks about G-d's "eyes" does that imply that He cannot see without eyes? Or when it talks about G-d's hands, does that mean He cannot do something without hands? Obviously not. These are metaphors. Torah speaks in the language suitable for human ear. When Torah says G-d was "refreshed", it means He contamplated His creation.
Now while we are on the subject, the Hebrew word used here is Nafash, which means "soul". So I'm not even sure why they keep translating it as "refreshed". It's more like "and He Souled"(if there is such a word). Meaning, He gave a spiritual aspect to the physical world. In fact, this is why it is the 7th day, as opposed to 8th or 6th. According to Maharal of Prague, in our 3D world, every physical object (or physical being) has 6 sides. It is the 7th side, which we cannot see, which connects the soul of that object (or being). (PS. Yes, according to Judaism even inanimate objects have some kind of a soul). Hence the 7th side of the world, is what gives it spirituality.
Brother, can you recommend 5 must have books on Islam for a revert? Thanks.
quran.. sirah nabawiyah (phophet muhammad saw history).. shalat book.. thats enough for early..
when you completed the above book.. you can added yr library with quran tafseer ibnu katsir and hadits shahih bukhari muslim..
The holy Quran and sunnah are sufficient brother/sister
This is how we get along .
we debate eachother in every way
Christians muslims jews and non believers must be mature enough and just enough to speak freely .
Our true starting piont should be the individual and collective belief that We Are of the One GOD .
Only after this can we find dialogue and evolution in our civilization's .
THOU CREATOR AND OUR ONE TRUE GOD CREATED US CREATIONS IN THY IMAGE AND THY LIKENESS . WE ARE ONE .
THEREFORE WHO IS THEE .
I AM THAT I AM .
If God rested, who would answer sincere prayers for Christians, Jews and Muslims alike?
Poor kid he’s got no idea...come to Islam...come to truth!
I think the "poor kid" answered him very well. Any use of human terms in reference to Gd is a limitation and therefore cannot be taken literally. In the same way Shamsi explained the pluralistic term in which Allah was referenced to in Qu'ran it should not be hard to understand in the same vain Gd rested (which in English can also simply meane to cease) or "regretted" that we don't take this amphromorphisms literally. Does the Quran describe Allah as merciful? Yes. Yet one can understand that Gd's mercy is good but on a human level mercy can be used for good or bad. Is Gd described referenced as He in the Quran? Yes. Obviously we don't therefore make the accusation that Gd is a human male. I think Shamsi keeps bringing this point up against the Torah but if he really thought about it he would understand any form of amphromorphism in the Quran, whether is describes what is largely thought of as good or even neutral is a form of limitation and therefore cannot be taken literally.
God never regrets.... Why He needs to regrets? He is God The Most High.. nothing can harm God..
Allah knows everything. It is also clear from when Allah states to the angels that he'll create man. The angels questioned Allah asking 'will you create one who will cause bloodshed yet we worship and praise your name.' Allah told them, that he knows what they don't. Alhamdullilah for Islam. We don't need to use parables or our opinion, the truth is self evident for anyone who is interested. Alhamdullilah.
Jewish guys was trying to make the point that God doesn't know future, but Brother Shamsi didn't let him finish the thought.......
there never have word of free will in the bible.
but they do have a word call choices not free will
Ali dahwah you like Umar Bin Khattab .. may Allah Gave you the Firdaus 🕋
(02:39) as a Jew-ish person I have no problem with saying that "God" is not currently all-knowing.
(He's so Powerful He made it that He does not Know everything people will decide to do in the future for His own purposes)
The fact that G-d does not get tired is explilcitly expressed by Prophet Isaiah in chatper 40, verse 28. "Do you not know-if you have not heard-an everlasting God is the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth; He neither tires nor wearies"
So whatever Vayinafash (which wrongly translate as "refreshed") means, does NOT mean He was tired.
Blessed is HaShem, the G-d of Israel. What does it mean ? Spiritually rested ?
This kid was far from ready to face Brother Shamsi. Then again, few in SC are.
I don't speak Ivrit, Hebrew but in the traditions, G-d has human necessities, emotions, attributes and needs but if G-d is infinite then, all human Anthropomorphic language applied to G-d is human impose
How can you not understand that regret comes from not knowing the outcome
By NOT using my brain of course
(16:40) that happens all the time. There are hundreds of people claiming to be Prophets of Elohim and have lots of spending money and live long lives.
قال تعالى : ( وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلاَئِكَةِ إِنِّي جَاعِلٌ فِي الأَرْضِ خَلِيفَةً ، قَالُواْ أَتَجْعَلُ فِيهَا مَن يُفْسِدُ فِيهَا وَيَسْفِكُ الدِّمَاء وَنَحْنُ نُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدِكَ وَنُقَدِّسُ لَكَ ، قَالَ إِنِّي أَعْلَمُ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ ) البقرة/30 even the angels new what was going to happen,no place for regret
Someone Else .tabaarak Alllah may Allah preserve you .
They don't know but they say that for their experience. Because the jinn
@@ManhaJSalafee exactly
Well explain br shamsi
2nd part link please
Part 2 please
why is it ending by not letting the jewish guy answer smh
I agree that God is perfect. However, if God is perfect, would he not be able to choose to create man with a free will that He cannot foresee?
Shamse is knowledgeable person about Islam and he really please his curator instead of tha people but he should give his opponents more time to respond to his questions
or put it more simply its says the in the book refreshed, and the word refreshed comes after someone is getting tried and need to regain hes engrey again.
Oh hello there Ali Dawah 1:01 listening in to gain that knowledge from shamsi
Good on him... learning from a scholar is really a good thing
@@asmasultana3808 He is not a scholar
Where can I watch the whole thing ?
Where part 2?
interesting did god need to rest? what did he do on the 8th day?
AR 23 The correct Answer is!
21|23|He will not be questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned.
Bryson Townsend God needs energy? Interesting. So He isn't all-powerful?
Where is part 2. ?
surah3 v78 There are some who twist the Scripture with their tongues to make you [people] think that what they say is part of the Scripture when it is not; they say it is from God when it is not; they attribute lies to God and they know it.
Jell- "God doesn't work with the future"..? Then where did the prophecies come from?
Shamsi is very brilliant and human at the same time. Under G-D (Allah, Hashem = Many Names for the ONE ALMIGHTY), every Jew is a Muslim. All Muslims that teach G-Ds (Allahs) words (Torah & Qur'an) are Jews (or Chosen people). Chosen just means that you accept G-Ds responsibility to spread his laws and expectations to all others. Therefore, Shamsi is a Chosen person (or in layman's terms a Jew & Muslim in one). To really know G-D (Allah) we must understand a few very important concepts. [1] When G-D is described as perfect, the real meaning of perfect in this context refers to "Completely Just". It does not refer to the human term of "never making a mistake". G-D has no ill will towards anything and always judges without prejudice. Punishment for your actions by G-D is not done with any ill will and does not have any evil intentions. G-D is the Highest Power or Most Powerful, however this does not mean that creation does not have limits. Being the Almighty, does not mean that G-D has no feelings (like Love, Hate, Anger and Joy). [2] G-D does not know the exact future, however he can intervene and set a path, journey, or create a scenario at any point of what we perceive as Time. In other words, he can predict the future by making the prediction happen at the time & place of G-Ds choice. The Future is not set in stone and proof of this is G-D giving us free will. It is impossible to have Free Will and to have the future planned out. G-D can hear our thoughts and is able to see everything, and therefore he knows what actions we are presently making. With G-Ds Intelligence at a level so high we cannot even begin to comprehend it, of course he can see the direction the world is heading in, but this is not the same as knowing the exact future, which would mean that everything is planned out already and therefore there is no choices to be made. Hence, then there is no point in life with free will. G-D is the ultimate parent (father) of all life and as a Good Parent wants what is best and most just for all of his creations. [3] G-D did not create religion (man made cults). G-D gave us his laws and expectations to direct us in a positive and proactive just life (As any good parent would want for their children). These Laws & Expectations given to humanity can be found in the Torah & Qur'an. There are no contradictions between these two books of G-D. There are some slight differences as far as responsibilities, however the Belief & Praise to the One True Almighty G-D of Abraham is Equal in all aspects. The purpose of both the Torah & Qur'an is to layout the differences between Good & Evil or Good Deeds\Intentions and Ill Will\Bad Intentions. G-D gave us instinctual behaviors to survive and flourish, and the Torah & Qur'an are the instructions on how to utilize these behaviors without letting them get out of hand or drift in the wrong direction. Love & Fear are the keys to Proper Control and must be maintained in an equal balance. To Shamsi, you have the light of G-D (Allah) in you, keep on your path to bring your light to humanity. We need the entire world to believe in the One True Almighty for Peace to ever be a reality. Without the Love & Fear of G-D (Allah) there is only anarchy. PEACE & LOVE TO ALL. ** One more important point that I forgot to address: The change that Shamsi refers to towards the Torah, is what is called the Oral Law in Judaism. It is not the actual Torah that is corrupt or changed in any way, however the Oral Law is the corruption in a perverted translation of the Torah. Also, the Qur'an states that Jesus was a Messenger and NOT the Messiah or a god.
Late reply but one thing. Every time Jesus is mentioned he is referred to as al massih or son of Mary or together.
وفقكم الله
The Talmud explains this phrase "regret" as follows: A Roman came to Rabbi and asked him, "Why did G-d become sad when He saw the humanity got corrupted? Didn't G-d know that humanity would get corrupted?" The rabbi answered "When your son was born, didn't you know that one day he will die? So shouldn't you have been crying when he was born? No, obviously not. Even though you knew he would die, there is a time for happiness and there is a time for sadness." When G-d regret, it means G-d was sad (sort of speak) about the result. I think same can apply to Soul.
Regret is different from sadness there is no room for comparison
Muhammad Alhasan I think these are limitations of translations. I think it is more proper to translate that word as "reconsider". I think it's not problematic theology for G-d to reconsider. For example, when Jews sinned and G-d wanted to destroy the people, Moses pbuh started to pray, and it says that G-d "reconsidered." Same Hebrew word is used. I mean isn't that what prayer is all about? G-d is about to do something, a person prays, and G-d reconsiders. Sometimes the opposite can also happen.
@@blessedishashemtheg-dofisr7397please do not corrupt the translations. Regret and sadness are complete different things
P2 please
Truth shall prevail 💯 ISLAM
This is Like Arsenal Fan TV
What is Ali dawah doing😂😂 his just acting bare awkward 😂😂
Moses 😂😂😂
brother Shamsi i don't know if you gonna read this comment cuz it seems that you don't read comments if you do then i should receive a comments back for the previous ones; however i would ask you this; where's the second part of this video cuz now it's 2019 and the video was made in 2017 and you said wait for part 2 ???
Any use of human terms in reference to Gd is a limitation and therefore cannot be taken literally. In the same way Shamsi explained the pluralistic term in which Allah was referenced to in Qu'ran it should not be hard to understand in the same vain Gd rested (which in English can also simply meane to cease) or "regretted" that we don't take this amphromorphisms literally. Does the Quran describe Allah as merciful? Yes. Yet one can understand that Gd's mercy is good but on a human level mercy can be used for good or bad. Is Gd described referenced as "He" in the Quran? Yes. Obviously we don't therefore make the accusation that Gd is a human male. I think Shamsi keeps bringing this point up against the Torah in other videos but if he really thought about it he would understand any form of amphromorphism in the Quran, whether is describes what is largely thought of as good or even neutral is a form of limitation and therefore cannot be taken literally.
Islam is a Great
With a Rabbinite gentleman. 😉
How come christians can't speak Hebrew which is the language of the Bible. Muslim brothers speak in arabic and explain in english.
Is this guy in the backround ard adz.?
Since he believes that before judaism there was only idol worshipping in the world
Then ask him....who r the B'nai Noah?
The Hebrew word translated into regret in English for the English bible doesn’t have the same meaning. The Jewish people do not read he English bible for this reason.
What this Jewish guy says its false he does not even know Musa(ASL) was married to a Midian women who's father could trace back his origins to Ishmael(ASL) so don't go around claiming that Jews were the only ones who did not practice idolatry because the Midian's believed in ALLAH.
Is that really an argument tho? Shamsi, why would God allow all these countless cults and false religions with leaders who claim to be prophets after Muhammad?
And when it comes to the word 'rest', there is a difference between resting because you have to sleep and CEASING from a work a.k.a simply Stopping.
This when Ali need dahwa still learn from shamsi hhh
@Esam Rahman
I don't get it ... Why you are mad about that ?! I sad something and you understood it by your way ...
2. Do not make your self as juje and make people stupid and smart like you want ...
@Esam Rahman it's honor for me to make you happy hhh xd
2. Talk properly to people firstly and i am not deleting anything you Can ask me what i mean and i will tell you insteed of that talk
interesting, Iam not Arab, can someone please tell me if the Quran use the word day/days or period of time? ofc Iam referring to the chapter of Quran wich mentions about creation of the world or everything. tnx
MrFrotier thank you for your time.
bcos to use the word day/ days would be wrong philosophically
It can be that the length of a day when the earth was forming must have been much different from the 24 hours period we have today.
Well we know according to the coran that 1 day to god is equal to 1000 days on earth ,however i'm not sur if that's the meaning of the verse
The literal translation is day/days but the arabic meaning is eons
Is funny how he said how do u explain jesus as , he did not know we believe Jesus is a prophet
Yes but Islam does not believe Jesus is the son of Gd so the gentlemans point is actually still valid and I await an answer.
He needed his Odin sleep? Why is it written in greek anyway? Did Moses speak greek?
annabelle comes home
why ask the 8th day? god dint tell us what he did on the 8th.
Part 2?
When Moses ask allah aza wajjall do you get rest or sleep my lord and how do you hold this heaven(universe)he said o Moses hold two cup’s of water in your had and try to sleep and see what happen? Same that god never rest or sleep (Lo! Allah graspeth the heavens and the earth that they deviate not, and if they were to deviate there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Lo! He is ever Clement, Forgiving.
Where did you get this information from lol
Wrong translation!
Torah does not say rest.
Torah says וַיְבָרֶךְ אֱלֹהִים אֶת-יוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי, וַיְקַדֵּשׁ אֹתוֹ: כִּי בוֹ שָׁבַת מִכָּל-מְלַאכְתּוֹ, אֲשֶׁר-בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים לַעֲשׂוֹת.
And God has blessed the Shabbat, the 7th day. And He made this day holy. Because on this day he STOPPED all of creating.
Shamsi smashed Sam
Muslims cannot come to grips with the term "regretful" God as expressed in the Old Testament (understandably so because Allah is Almighty and Allah cannot make mistakes). Hence, the expressions in the Hebrew Bible is rejected and to be replaced by the Koran.
The word regret has to be understood in the context of free will. Despite knowing that many men will make the bad decisions in life, God still permitted the existence of mortal men who turn evil. WHY??
God regrets that men make wrong decisions but he doesn't regret about his fallen creation as there are also many who turn away from their errors. He didn't want to create robots who only do good, he wanted free will man who choose to do good and follow God. Ultimately, men will all know God, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea (Isaiah 11:9).
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD, Repent and live! (Ezekiel 18:32).
God didn't create men for the sake of destruction. He created men to live and enjoy his creation and rule over it (Genesis 1:26). If God wanted us to be in heaven, he wouldn't create earth. Earth will be perfected in the messianic age.