Did I Buy The WRONG Golf R?! *DSG vs Manual*
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2023
- What do you think, should I have bought a DSG MK7 Golf R instead of a manual one? Meet Henry and his 500bhp Track Prepared MK7 Golf R - we go out in it to see how it compares to mine...
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I have to say huge thanks to MRC tuning for all the help with the car as well as mapping it 🤙🏻
Big thanks to
Doug, Sarah, Minhea and all the rest of the team ❤
Would you consider going to ring in a lap with misha bro
@@elmedinii.n I would, I’ve just come back from 5 days at the ring, didn’t see him at apex, so never asked tbh, it was my first time out there so wasn’t stressed if he did or didn’t, but if I’m out there and he’s keen I’d let him have a go
@@henrywebber2609 definitely he would love to drive it bc ive not seen any golf R's in general just hampshirephoto's one on the @mishacharoudin s channel so your golf @ let it alone what is done to it powerwise .. the looks are another level man... see you at misha's channel soon ❤️
That skateboard on the front of his blue golf tho!!!! 😂 wtf 😂😂 car been absolutely ruined 😊
Please just get that splitter painted black 🤦🏻♂️
Black spray paint from Halfords will even do the job for a few £
Can’t believe he’s not done it yet!
I have a 2007 manual S3, I wanted manual for the driver experience, but I think I’d prefer the dsg now, not only for the speed of gear change, but for the ease of driving in todays ever growing traffic jams. The UK roads are just pathetic.
i have your exact car as a dsg and its so much worth it than a manual.
The shin splitter lip is a killer
I love a manual more, but for an R I'd go dsg. For a GTI, it'd be manual. I think the power of the car is also a factor.
I own a 6 1.4 TSI DSG. Was looking for a GTI/R. I would mod it, so prob around 400-450hp. I really don't know if pick it manual or stick with DSG..... I was once as passenger of a tuned 6R around 300hp and the DSG made it like staying on a bus...linear ride without kicks the manual give.
Manual all the way for the engagement and fun.
2024 last year for manuals in GTI/R. Get them while you can.
Nice video !!.. jst a quick question which clutch are u using for golf R ?
Is that splitter safe to drive on public roads, just thinking plod will give you a pull
Manual vs auto us always the same thing, if 0-60mph and lap times are important to you, the dsg can't be beaten, similarly the dsg is a better option as a daily driver it just is. However manual is more fun due to driver interaction, and the way things are going with electric cars and no gearboxes, they won't be around for much longer! So enjoy them while you can I think
I have an mk6 APR k04 GTI with DSG and an mk6 Golf R with a manual. Been driving manual cars since the mid 90's, including an S2k, FD Rx7, and two supercharged C5 Corvettes. Far too much traffic on the roads now, and you can't outshift a proper DCT. Is the manual fun? Yes. Am I having as much fun with it as I use to when I was younger? Unfortunately, no. I have more fun in the GTI with the DSG.
So, I have a question for you. The MQB chassis is good, but why not build your track car around the Audi TTS platform? You would still have the EA888 motor to tune, plus its already much better dynamically on the track over a Golf R, at 110 Lbs lighter.
I go for manual usually, but dsg in sport manual using the paddles to change is still very involving in a 400hp Golf 7 R. Coming out of a junction with TC off it’s still a handfull and amazes me how quick it can be for what it is. I also have a manual six speed Porsche 996 C4S and the problem is the Golf is much faster, the C4S was supposed to be the exciting car but feels tame in comparison, apart from the looks and sound. 996 will go for a bike engined Westfield or Fisher Fury to readdress the balance.
Considering the DSG models do a low 3 second 0-60 from a stage 1, it’s hard not to choose it.
3.2 0-60 on stage 2 R
If 0-60mph times matter to you absolutely the best option. To me driver involvement is more important hence why i have a manual, my last car was auto and miles faster
@@johnjackson2349 driver involvement is great, magnetic paddles shifters & when I wanna be spicy, I can shift with my shifter lol. plus the manuals are not all that good on this platform anyway.
@@JDG.7R What an asinine comment.
@@sunsetgarage755 oh calm down it was a joke
Both Cars look really good up untill you see that shelf under the number plates
Going sequential would be an amazing idea
They are both great cars MONSTERS
Vdub :) love it
Golf R is 100 percent a dsg car, clubsport manual for sure, but either way I respect it’s nice to have a manual on track for engagement
Any other car I would go for a manual, but for the golf just pick the dsg, it’s damn good.
I just bought a 2016 Volkswagen GTI Autobahn with DSG the car is currently stock I am concerned about the DSG holding up long-term I go through a lot of drive-thru's and also stop and go traffic is not good for the DSG
Anyone know the wheels on the white golf?
I’m looking to buy a mk7R now. And I can’t make my mind up on dsg or manual. I’ve never had a proper new age auto with dsg/dct etc. I always said I’d get one if I needed it. But I don’t. But looking at a lot of these vids the speed and sharpness of the dsg does appeal. My main concern is cost and reliability. Is the system built to take the stress of track driving and higher power/torque. What are the wear points of the dsg system and how much is the maintenance as opposed to a simple manual and updated clutch.
The older gen VW dsg the mechatronics unit was the weak point if the whole system like a $1400 part but they solved that in the mk7 gen I believe. I haven’t heard of any major issues from the newer ones.
I don't believe auto better for track clutch is a guaranteed shift sometimes dsg is not always on point and can change itself or take long to change down if your revs high
Saw you come flying through Overton straight on Sunday 👌 sounds goooood!
Chasing Henry's Golf R from yours round Goodwood is certainly a highlight of my year! Gotta be manual for the uniqueness and involvement surely!
Depends what you want out of the car - as Harry said, if you're doing track days seriously then DSG but for weekend fun on B roads the manual is great.
Dsg !! Becs manual gets expensive.. u gota change clutch after ecu stage 1 & issues regarding crank walk cant be ignored as well in Manuals
Yes
DSG ALL THE WAY,iv fully forged my MK6 R also with a brand new DQ500 box in it,should be turning the key for the first time in the next few days 🎉🔥 I’m only running the G25-660 turbo as it suits my driving on the streets/B roads ect so should see 550hp about the same in torque,defo be putting some driving hoons on my little RUclips channel “my name” buzzing for it
defo get a sequential!
Wtf is that bit of hardboard doing on your bumper?
I love my 6spd manual on my MK7 GTI when the clutch is working correctly, but I am on my 5th clutch with this car after 160k miles of use. This has been very annoying because 4 of these clutches have failed due to the tob/slave failing and having the brake fluid contaminating the clutch pressure plate, disk, and flywheel. So that $80 failed part makes me buy an entirely new clutch kit, which is thousands every time. Its been the worst thing about this car. I would have gone gone DSG if I knew this was an issue tbh.
Yes you did 🤷♂️👍
Gearbox reliability should be the real conversation dsg holds more power or upgrade manual clutch which is a lot of money and hassle
Dsg may hold the power but wears the clutches out quicker especially when the start changing clamping pressure i can't imagine dsg clucth packs being cheap either, with a manual you know its limited so you just up grade to the power your going to build too
The cars done nearly 100k miles been tuned for the last 45k still on original box and clutch packs 🤙🏻
Sequential 🔥
He sounds like Jay Kay from Jamiroquai
Why tescos 99 and not shell v-power?
Probably price, location at the time of fueling, etc. Few different factors can go into that
Why is the owner of this car continually looking at the gauges every time he shifts? Is this a thing with DSG owners, because they aren't getting that much feel through the driving and transmission experience like us manual guys get, where we know when exactly to shift, what gear we are in, and what rpm we are in, without looking? I don't know why I noticed this, but I did, and it a little odd...
Just the things you notice as a manual driver🤣People be eating dinners and holding meetings at traffic lights when I see them in their ev/automatics😭
I don't mean to be a smart arse on this one but 3 different revs in launch.. umm I thought about this and realised I can choose my launch rpm by dragging the outside of my accelerator foot on the side panel. Heel planted and roll into it. Instead of saying blah blah blah try it out... good drivers rise to the top without spending big $. Just loom at TCR all the parity etc.. the good drivers always are at the front
Not a single doubt in my mind that you should've bought a DSG, especially considering that you knew that you're going to build up a track car. Certainly what i would've done and it's like you said in the video yourself : most people that were building up manual track cars would sell them later on for a DSG. That's simply because even though everything possible is done on the car, there's always going to be the manual box that will limit your track performance. That doesn't mean that i think you're stupid for not buying a DSG, not at all. I can totally understand your reasoning. Each to their own.
I have the manual in mine. Mines standard though but I personally prefer rev matching and changing myself. Would totally love a sequential gearbox though ❤ I drive mine hard but mechanical respectfully..
100% especially with the potential money shift
You scared? 🥺
dsg is sucha better thing to have man
Very interesting with the oil, loads of these are running very hot with castrol. Also I think you were right with the manual, yes dsg will be the future but enjoy the manual while the option is there
DSG 🏆
If it’s less that 350bhp then manual all day long, but the more power you have why on earth would you not go auto.
To each their own but i’ve never a dct car that made me smile. If you want to be fast buy an electric car lol
I respectively Liked your each n every upgrades u have done & The way ur attached with ur boy is also a absolutely Bliss ! looking forward to reveal the un-discovered . We appreciate ur work . there is no wrong choice in it !
: But about the" DSG gear box" u don't need to be in confused or give anyone a toughly explain about specification " , if it is DSG it is BORN FIRE !!!! ""
FINISH ""
**Thank you so much for your vlogs
+ ur really grinding amazing mate Keep up.
! Dnt Worrry Dude u have a Whooreeee in ur undies !!!
#IT-IS-A-BUILT#NOT-BOUGHT!!
why do neither of the cars run diffusers? since they're technically track builds im sure there would be a benefit to running one
I will be getting the aerofabb diffuser but it’s roughly £1100 after paying shipping and import tax, it is on the cards tho 🤙🏻
It's strange my Golf R 7.5 stage 3 produces 529hp with no meth and a sport cat in it.
Why do so many people cry about the manual clutch replacement job? It’s the most over hyped job ever as it really ain’t hard or that time consuming. I’ve done many on my driveway including a mk6 r. People with no idea about what’s involved are constantly online screaming about get the dsg because of this. ITS NO FKIN BIGGIE
If you’re going to daily it, dsg 100%. If you’re going to track it, either one is a fine choice.
I would take the manual awesome video 👍
Can't shift a manual gearbox faster that a dsg
You can , sequential is the way.
Unless your name is dmo 😎
What I found to be immensely helpful with oil temps is the right engine oil. Try out Mobil 1 0W-40 FS, or ESP X3 in case you're running an OPF. It brought my GTIs temps down from 120C to 100-105C on the Nürburgring.
OMG another platypus don’t let them breed 😮
Front lip looks rusty
Keep your splitter how it is
Can I ask a question? I don't know how old you are but insurance for your Golf R for road use must be absolutely horrendous with all the mods. If you are under 30, it is really expensive without the mods, but with them its must be off the planet, literally. I am 48 and have a have a 25 year+ no claim record and own an A45S AMG and its a tad over £750 full comp, with a clean licence and spotless insurance record. I asked a number of mainstream recognised insurers how much my premiums would go to if I took it to stage 2 mods . The answer was over £1,250. I asked about someone aged 30 or less and it varied from £3,500+ per year to uninsurable, In other words...no thanks. You don't need to state how much you pay but is your insurer aware of all the mods. According to Hastings (not my insurer) huge numbers of under 30 drivers having modded their cars don't tell their insurers. If they get stopped by the police they show the certificate and it doesn't show that it has modded. However if they call the insurer to enquire, those drivers are in seriuously deep sh*t as they are classed as uninsured. Thats an IN10 on the licence and a ban according to Hastings... I was just wondering how you manage to insure all your cars. It must cost you thousands. Just wondering...
Hi mate, I’m 26 9 years no claims and I pay £1100 to insure it all mods declared with Brentacre insurance, just called them and emailed them a spec list. They took it to the underwriter and that’s the price they gave me 🤙🏻
Your postcode is a huge factor
@@henrywebber2609that’s shit for 9 years no claims
I’m 30 with 12 years no claims and fully comp with all my mods on my M140i plus additional insurance extra is £900 a year. Where you live is a massive factor. But money issue is not something Luke has, apparently his family is minted from what I’ve heard
That may explain a few things. Luke is obviously quite a young lad, but with a tuned M3, tuned A45S, and tuned Golf his insurance bill must still be huge. Bank of mum and dad always helps as most photographers I know are not on big money.. BTW, Brentacre may be cost effective until you have a claim, and then customers may have a different view. Cancel your insurance if you sell a car and you get hammered.
If you care about 0-60 times then DSG al the way. If you drive for fun and not to race people off the lights then go manual.
Pls do this video for an m140i
So many timers out there now but MRC are still the daddy
YES DSG OR NOTHING! Sorry to burst the manual worlds bubble but DSG RIPS. BTW This is coming from wisdom I own a 2019 Golf R DSG Stage 2
get the guy a looser fitting shirt. oh gosh.
Love ya Luke love the channel but that splitter is funny man it’s horrendous 😂😂😂 I totally get the idea behind it though
This was a fun vid
I have an Audi, S3 8P which when I bought it was manual. I kept it like that for about two years and then I started modifying it. I also converted it into a DSG gearbox. Now it has a fully forged engine , methanol injection kit and a G30 660. If you ask me, which is the best modification from all, I’ve done these past few years,it’s definitely the DSG conversion. It’s faster under any circumstances,easier to drive and certainly more efficient in track use.
Smaller turbo ,,same power? U definitely bought the wrong box for your performance build?.
Hopefully u get all the bugs& cooling sorted,,& handling,,good luck
DSG it might be more consistant at the track... HOWEVER, Manual is what you want to have proper experience and try yourself as driver. I do own myself a Seat Leon 300 and It has to be manual I never get bored.
This a Golf r road/track car then there's the brought online Wish version 😂
Wondering which is which 😂
(Brought) online? You mean bought?
quicker on track - dsg, more driver involvement reward - manual. But if you wanted a quick track car there would have been better options than a Golf R, so it surely must be the Manual Golf R is the better choice
I dunno man .... Funny you mention DSG = someone has fitted the DSG system to a Focus RS MK1 !!! And im talking mating it to the original zetec / duratec engine! Thats says it all! FFS i removed my aircon! FAIL!
I have a Manual Mk6 R I went with it cause I'm keeping the car
Golf r is just an op car😊
I think a DSG with a map that simulates manual, so it changes gear but pauses for a second thus throwing you forward then comes on boost even harder in the next gear & pin you back in the seat. That would make it feel more fun & less clinical.
Dsg which is a dual clutch trans just can't work like that. Would put more stress on the clutch packs as well as the gear sets to have it shift slowly like that an "slam" it into the set gear
Crack is wack
Dsg over a manual all day why do you want a clutch? Dsg can drive manual up and down on gear stick like sequential I don’t get what more driver involvement you want it’s just people talking 💩
I would have a manual all the way. It might be a fraction slower, but it gives proper driver involvement rather than feeling like you are driving a car on the playstation.
Exactly.
Manual over DSG always if you’re properly into driving.
Manual golf all day long. I’d prefer as you said from the intro a more driver focused car
Dsg boring and no skill needed yes they are quick but that's it people are too hooked up on times and not driving skill or pleasure, manual your more involved with the driving and requires skills especially to shift fast and knowing when to change, I've had both and as a drivers car manual but I'd have dsg for round town n that
@@TheSlashHunter clearly no clue by what i mean 🤦♂️
@@andy110492it’s not hard to shift manuals fast. Been there done that. Dsg is the one , faster, sounds better too
@@philip244 dsg farts do not sound better jesus almost as bad as pop n bang maps, yet so many fail to change gears fast and at the right times, dsg faster but boring I've owned both
@@andy110492 who the hell cares about “skill” lmao, neither you or I are professionals so I don’t really get these comments.
@@GolfRJ cause any fat lazy man or little kid can put his foot down n go look i can drive fast when a computer is doing and that is why so many golf r, audi s3 etc end up written off, dsg tc abs heldex which most people dont know ain't a permanent four wheel drive all give people fails hope they can actually drive well and fast while reading the road and that is why people need skill
Manual for more engagement for me. Personally for me DSG farts sound like something is breaking.
Manual all day. DSG is just boring. DSG maybe faster but driving is all about how the car makes you feel. I have a 3 door Gti manual 7.5, which in my opinion is the best golf ever!
The original MK1 Golf GTi 1600 cc, with the four speed box is the best Golf ever!
I think the manual is more applicable for RWD cars for drifting, for the rest DCT is better
That’s splutter looks like a sheet of plywood, for the love of god paint it at least
Manual is more involving, DSG takes the fun out of driving.
DSG is boring. Had three of them.
If they are "boring" why did you have three?...............
Manual is boring
Nah, manual was a good shout 100%
Race cars are better suited to auto. Road cars are better suited to manual
Manual for sure as the new mk8 is dsg only in UK. Just thing years ago all the decent hot hatches was manual only we are a generation of lazy drivers and any old idiot can launch and drive a dsg fast
Euro 7..........................
horrible spliters both, and dsg is very efficient but way to boring....one handed single foot 80 year old can drive that white car....
You bought the wrong car all together! VWs are like BMWs very unreliable. Like the cars had both but will not buy them anymore.
What would you buy now? I find everything is getting unreliable now apart from an old school hilux 🤣
You moaning about that now yeah ffs🤔🙄
No DSG is boring asf