Can the M1 Max survive when running multiple servers, emulators and tests at the same time? Watch a software developer stress test the M1 Max Macbook Pro.
Wow, a review by a guy who does real work on a laptop, not just making videos about editing videos for a RUclips channel 😊 (OK, there’s about five or 10 RUclipsrs out there that really know their Apple stuff and that I subscribe to, but still, very refreshing to see these two MacBook M1 Max reviews by Bob.)
Every morning I wake up at 4am before my kids and wife so that I can work on my personal project (and myself) before work. I have used macs for years now for development and am so very pleased by the performance of the new M1 machines. I am using it as a laptop again and am no longer tied to a desk. I have one of those cooling pads for my old personal machine and work laptop, now I am thinking I can throw it away.
@Marcus - Mostly yep, it seems. By the way, how much ram does your MBA have ? Mine is absolutely base model : 8Gb RAM, 7c GPU... and yet it is easily the fastest Mac I've owned. Better : it feels sooooo snappier than any other machine I've used or owned for a very, very long time ! I bet its super fast SSD is helping a lot, I can't picture how faster a Pro or Max might feel way faster than this... despite their ultra fast SSDs !
@@D3VTec side by side compile comparing for spring boot app(clean build, local run startup time) maybe as an idea for u cos “tests from 5 mins to 20 secs” is so difficult to believe 😅 tnx a lot and like for kotlin 🙃
@@D3VTec would more wonder how much more limited you would be with 16 gb ram instead of the m1 max 32 to 64, other than that this video is super informative and paints a great picture of what I can expect!
Love the videos, most people are not 8k video editors, and it’s very sad to only see content creators reviewing the new MacBooks solely based on editing specs, but your videos are incredibly refreshing, keep it up! Would love to see some ML/DL models trained, since you mentioned in the other video you like Python a lot.
I saw the need because I wanted to make an informed decision and could not. So here I am. Looks like I need to break out of my comfort zone. Can you point me where to get started? I do have a python certification and am decent at math.
@@D3VTec that’s the best starting point! Normally people use the MNIST dataset to make comparisons. This is another RUclipsr who makes ML comparisons and she did it for the M1 MacBook Pro last year. ruclips.net/video/Y3INzc4EH60/видео.html
I don't think laptops will ever be good for machine learning. I do a lot of ML/DL work and the datasets get bigger and training enormous models are challenging on laptop.
I ordered my M1 Max, due in December and I'm a Java dev, to see a 20 second tests complete while your prev max out I9 took 5 minutes is mind blowing and I could hardly wait till mine comes. Excellent comparison.
These are exactly the kinds of real world tests that I’ve wanted to see since my work loads are very similar to yours. Great to see that this machine is running like a champ.
Many commenters seem confused about memory utilization: *It's the job of the OS to maximize memory usage.* So his memory utilization numbers on a 64GB machine is not relevant to what your numbers would be on a 32GB or 16GB machine.
I can't thank you enough for making these videos! The web is littered with people only ever talking about content creation and for once - someone is reviewing how these laptops relative to the development scene - I needed this so much!
Got the 16” M1 Pro last week. I haven’t heard the fans turn on even once and everything runs so fast.. It’s just amazing.. my previous mac the fans were running 80% of the time. I was just about to quit macs but this beast brought me back.. I’m happy now.. This has to be the best macbook pro release ever.
Can you please do more tests and share your experience. Maybe try running a jest test while having 5 running docker containers with some simulators and emulators running in the background, 5 VS Code instances and 30 chrome tabs. I'm trying to emulate my environment 😂 Liked and Subbed👍
Thank you! What's the review I needed! But what monitors do you have? Are they 4k monitors? And how is the performance with the external monitors? Because I know - resolution of the external monitors can be a challenge for gpu
This is awesome, great seeing another perspective on the M1 Max. I hope your channel keeps going with even more content! I'd love to see you really start stressing the machine out with Chrome, Slack, downloads, and other apps going at the same time.
One of the few reviews which actually test some real world work being done on M1 Max. All the rest so called reviews are down to video editing from "content creators", showing how they edit videos to show video editing.
The absolutely amazing part of the ARM chips performance per Watt ratio in Apple's tight HW & SW integration! Yes its expensive, but as a mobile chip its the best thing you can get when you are on the go. Well done Apple, I really salute Apple for that!
Finally someone is actually a pro doing pro stuff, not a consumer-grade reviewer running mindless benchmark softwares or rendering for-fun 4K videos just to say this machine is fast
side by side emulator and simulator will not crash or heat but in m1 simulator lunch much faster then intel. yet to test in m1 android emulator since mine space just base 256 gb
What made you decide to go with the 16” max. Vs the 14” max? I got the 14” max cause I mostly use external monitor and, when I did travel, the 16” was heavy and could not open all the way in a coach class seat on plane. I’m debating changing my choice pending your answer. Maybe I’m missing something.
Yeah, so I love the 13". I am mid-thirties now, my vision is still pretty good and I did great on my 13" because I can use my tools well with keyboard shortcuts. I don't rely on a mouse, therefore I am fast when developing and debugging. Well, I like to think I am :-). That being said, I rely heavily on writing unit tests. I build entire solutions from the ground up on tests. It's so much fun. Being able to easily run two panes of code so that one is the code I am testing and the other is the tests I am writing has just become something I really appreciate. It all came down to workflow. What do you absolutely need to be efficient and effective?
I ordered the 14 inch pro model, 10cpu, 16gpu, 32ram. I was kinda afraid that I might have rushed into this given that I couldn't find many non-video related benchmarks but your stack is almost identical to what I use. Spring, Kotlin, flutter, android emulators, docker and lots and lots of Chrome tabs. I have peace of mind now. Thanks!
I'd love to see some videos of real world things like heaps of tabs and apps open, opening times of lots of apps, rebooting. Boring stuff that we actually do all day... Also things like plugging in displays, sleep/wake times, disk ejection (any chance that's faster?!). Everyone else seems focused on making the same unboxing videos, and doing the same benchmarks again...
Anything that is not multithreaded will perform exactly the same as it does on M1. You can juggle more balls with M1 Pro/Max, but they are travelling at the same speed. I didn't end up using my M1 very much because experientially, it just wasn't different from the other modern computers I have. Most of the basic things we do with a computer are single threaded and usually more constrained by disk speed, network speed, and RAM utilization than the CPU. You need some sustained multithreaded computation for these machines to stretch their legs.
Hey, just wondering what jdk are you using for these tests ? I'm also enjoying getting great performance out of my new m1 max, fantastic machines. Cheers for the videos!
I switched from a Linux threadripper build to the M1 max and my large parallel builds without caching are about the same. However, cached, and single thread are so much faster, it boots in seconds vs ~a minute, it generates negligible heat in comparison, and significantly less power. Also emulators are INSANELY fast. This is the best computer I’ve ever owned. I’ve used windows and linux in all of my previous computers.macOS feels like the sweet spot of developer usability and ease of use, for the most part.
@@D3VTec It's a Threadripper 2950x, w/ Nvidia RTX 2080, 4TB of Samsung 970 Pro M.2 Storage, running arch (btw 😉) I built the system in 2018 with the goal of heavy virtualization, and parallel building/cross compiling for embedded systems. Runs amazing for most of what I need, lots of real-estate to assign, thread-wise. Gives a lot of flexibility on that front, when doing lots of virtualization. Cons: - Runs Hot - Uses a lot of power - Single thread performance is lacking - Boots slow Overall, it's amazing for the bulk of my work, but definitely isn't what I need for general purpose. Working remotely, with this build at home, it superheats the room it's in, throwing the house temps out of whack. My plan is to use the m1 max at home, and set the threadripper pc up at the work office to deploy parallel builds to/ssh into. Some important context: Original liquid cooler failed & system overheated, rma'd (second, "updated/fixed/improved") cooler also failed & caused an overheat. Dropped overclocks, and got a good air cooler. TL;DR System now runs hotter than it should, and draws more power than it should (I suspect a voltage regulator somewhere got borked). Performance is ~ the same, minus overclocks being dropped.
Very informative video! I'm a webdeveloper and rely heavily on multiple services and IDEs running at the same time, it's cool to see I can even have some emulators running for mobile apps as well. Do you think 32gb would be enough (I don't really to run vms very often)? Keep up the good work!
Yes, 32Gb will be fine. I am working with huge projects, hundreds of thousands of lines of code and end to end integration. Local server + app dev. So unless you plan on running servers on heavy VM's and doing App development at the same time, you should be fine with 32Gb.
It has to be said that iPhone and Anrdoid VMs benefit massively from having no instruction set emulation. They now can send their commands to the cpu without the conversion/emulation hassle an ARM VM on an Intel CPU would encounter. The JVM stuff seems legitimately mindblowing though
Hi first of all Thank you for the video this what i want to see from developer perspective and please make video like this for cross platform mobile (React native , Flutter , etc)
Finally, We can see review of macbook pro without talking about final cut, davinci and other video editing sw...There are other professionals who actually don't care about GPU at all!
Compiling a huge project, I can compile on all cores, I will see 75% CPU utilization. Running 3 instances of Intellij, one Android emulator, a JVM based server, Postman, Spotify, Git desktop client, Slack, and Chrome with many tabs I average 45 gigs of memory utilization.
Nice! I don't develop for Android, mostly c++ on rhel using docker. And FPGAs as a hobby. I'm using an M1 13 in and I'm very happy with it. good to know that if I need to update my workflow there is laptop that can keep up. I have a workstation that I use as a server for machine learning so probably I don't have a use case for a more powerful laptop at this moment. This is the review I wanted for a long time, thanks.
Are M1 cores SMT enabled? I would be really interested to see how it runs VMWare Fusion VM. Wondering how many threads you can allocate to your vm and still be able to run all these dev tools ( IDEs, emulators, servers etc ) on the host. Thank you for sharing.
How have you got 2 monitors connected to a dock via 1 thunderbolt cable? As Mac only allows 1 video stream per thunderbolt, unless you are using display link?
Okay, this is the second video I've seen from you and you've piqued my interest. Question, how does your M1 max laptop behave with a 2 external displays + laptop screen open and a few Jetbrains IDE's open? I have a spec'd out 16" i9 that gets super hot and the fans sound like something from a jet engine (exageration..maybe...) under load + multiple screens.
Damn... Now I'm considering going back to Mac. I'm mostly a PC (Linux) guy. Ever since I moved to Linux, I haven't looked back. But was always happy with a mac. Damn. Can't decide.
This is the kinda video I would like to see. I assume you also have several Docker containers running when you execute your Spring Boot test. This is impressive, I wonder if M1Pro with 32GB would be enough for this workflow, or should I max out the specs?
Do you see any advantage in the extra GPU cores over the 24 core M1 Max or the M1 Pro? Is the M1 Max of any benefit to your workflow over the M1 Pro besides being able to configure it with 64GB of ram? Thanks! :)
I don't think I would notice any issues with my current workflow on the M1 Pro. The GPU cores are only helping me with video editing right now, else having the extra ram just helps my VM's perform better.
Nice to see the 64gb of unified memory pulling its weight. I went ahead and sprung for it, but that was the thing I was least confident about spending the $$ on, with swap on a 7gbs ssd and memory compression wasnt sure Id even need it.
I have the same thermal/ noise/ throttling issues with my current full specked MBP. One Issue I am seeing is the power consumption of graphic card when connected to my two 5k displays. I see u have two monitors as well - great - that was the review I was waiting for.
48 hours in, still no fan noise. Going to have to start finding more things to push on this machine. Typing this reply right now on the new keyboard. It is fantastic. Snappy, assertive key presses.
any mini-led blooming issues on the built-in XDR, black terminals with white text, or IDEs in dark mode? Still on the fence about 32GB vs 64GB, I run 2-3 simulators and VSCode and docker (also a full stack developer :-) ). Works ok on my m1 air. Awesome video!
Do you notice any difference in autocomplete speed in Intellij vs the i9 Model? I just found out that (on the i9) if you go to System Preferences - Battery - Battery - Automatic Graphic Switching and turn this of, it works without any lag vs it taking about 500 - 800 ms when this is enabled.
I have not touched that configuration (but now I want to). Autocomplete on the M1 Max is insane fast. It is one of the first things I noticed when I started coding on it.
Thank you for reviewing these MacBooks from developer perspective. I’m new to programming and hope to learn. Do you think the base 14 inches or 16 would be enough ?
Sure thing. I will start working on that. I use 2x 4k monitors, both are the same Dell Ultrasharp 27". Cal Digit TS3, Thunderbolt 3 dock that does everything over one cable. Supports the full 60Hz of both monitors great. Love being able to plug and play.
When I open up an android emulator on my 2015 macbook pro at work it lags so bad, but not too bad when I open an ios simulator. Whats your opinion on coding with an imac? I am thinking about switching to imac pro to macbook pro or 2022 imac at home.
So, emulators are RAM guzzlers. Now, during your typical day, how long can you go before you have to plug in? That is missing in all these M1 vs ... videos. The code/compile cycle, while running unplugged, over a period of say 6-8 hours is another stress test that might be interesting.
Great question! At hour 24 of ownership I sat down and stared development again. Was on battery, first complete discharge of the new machine. I was compiling, designing in sketch, running servers, a single emulator and running many chrome tabs. I am going to make a video about this to get a good understanding of performance.
Hey, I am mainly a windows/security dev and so most of my tasks will be done through windows and linux. How does windows 10 on rosetta stack up against other windows laptops when it comes to CPU-intensive tasks like rendering, compiling, multitasking etc? And how well does Arch run on it?
One problem of MBP is that its limited lid angle. I mean, if one sometimes wants to use it like a desktop, which probably not uncommon, the limited lid angle means that it blocks the monitor, so one cannot use the keyboard+trackpad. There are many Windows laptop whose lid can be opened 180 degrees or more.
I hope you can help testing one case. That was the only time I remember my macbook pro stuck. I had a virtualbox running linux, have a more than 1gb wireshark file being analysed. I found my 16gb ram was completely taken. Nothing responding. Can you check if you work on a memory consuming task in a virtual machine, will the ultra fast ssd help?
I would like to know if the dedicated neural engine cores in these M1 chips are really helpful for data scientists, to run faster machine learning or deep learning models and such.
I absolutely want to know the answer to this too. Unfortunately I haven't taken the time to really dig into machine learning. So if you could point me at a repository that helps me get models trained and up and running quickly I can crank out a video that does some benchmarking for you.
More "amazing" said. Yes, I agree, it is amazing. I watched so many comparison videos, and this can use the tag "game changer". Too bad all my development is Win based (and can't transition). Anyway for the price, I think this is going to rock RUclips creators for video editing/creation. It's outstanding for that.
I have the same workflow, or at least use the same set of softwares you’ve mentioned in the video. With all those iOS simulators, Android emulators, Docker containers running in the background, and Chrome tabs opened, I’m curious to know how much RAM are you consuming? Are you hitting or getting close to the 32GB? I think you mentioned you use about 47GB out of 64GB from your previous Intel 16-inch macbook. Are you hitting around the same amount of RAM on your new 64GB M1 Max? I’m planning to get one myself, but torn between 32GB and 64GB RAM.
@@beyondbased Oh yeah, I didn't realise he was. Well, that's nuts! I misunderstood. I thought he was talking about his RAM consumption from the previous 16-inch MacBook Pro he had.
Really my first time making videos, so its going to be a rough start :-). But yeah, the M1 Max is using the same amounts of RAM as the i9. I am just noticing that it never gets hot with my workload, I am coding on the couch far more now that I ever was before because it actually works as a laptop. If I was on a strict budget, I would go 32Gb. I think I would likely be fine running an IDE or two and an emulator along with Chrome and some other tools. I would likely need to upgrade my hardware sooner though. I really think these new machines have the potential to last many, many years. More than the three year Applecare program. I want to see if this machine will last me 7.
If you are tight on budget or just don't want to tie up so much money in one device, then you can go with the 32 GB model and upgrade 6 or 12 months later, when you can still sell it for half the price at least. You can think of that difference between your buying and selling price as a cost of renting the machine for 6-12 months. Alternatively, you can get a small loan, just so you can afford the extra cost of the bigger screen, the 64 GB RAM and the price of the Max vs Pro, since you can't get 64 GB with the M1 Pro product line.
Some ppl keep mentioning that you can also just return the device of you don't like it, without questions asked. That probably only works in the US though, I'm not sure. At least I don't think you can do that in Hong Kong, but I will ask.
Hey, can you test accelerated Tensorflow performacne on these bad boys? Would love to see how well they perform on mid-sized datasets (5GB+). You know, typical tests like parsing a dataframe, manipulating, filtering, aggregating and filtering it, then perhaps training a regressor/classififer or preferably even Deep Learning model on it.
I bought a M1 Max MBP 32GB RAM, 32 core CPU and 4TB SSD with a view to doing similar development work in the future. I’m getting a little buyer’s remorse as I wonder how well 32GB RAM will handle multiple VMs, simulators, etc. If anyone’s using a similar spec for this kind of work, please let me know how you’re getting on with it.
would love to know how much memory is consumed by the emulators i really want to get one but i think the "Max" Model doesn't really add performance for a developing point of view besides the 64 gigs ram tl:dr => do you think the 32gig "Pro" Modell would perform equally?
Yeah after spending quite a bit of time with it I think I would be fine with the performance of the M1 Pro with 32 gigs of RAM. Everything is just so fast I think if I even needed to close a few applications because I was approaching maximum RAM usage I would be fine with that because application is just start so quickly. Emulators take up as much memory as you give them. For instance a simple pixel emulator can easily chew up anywhere between 3 and 5 gigs.
Wow, a review by a guy who does real work on a laptop, not just making videos about editing videos for a RUclips channel 😊 (OK, there’s about five or 10 RUclipsrs out there that really know their Apple stuff and that I subscribe to, but still, very refreshing to see these two MacBook M1 Max reviews by Bob.)
Every morning I wake up at 4am before my kids and wife so that I can work on my personal project (and myself) before work. I have used macs for years now for development and am so very pleased by the performance of the new M1 machines. I am using it as a laptop again and am no longer tied to a desk. I have one of those cooling pads for my old personal machine and work laptop, now I am thinking I can throw it away.
Well if you want real guys Russian hackers are the heavy stuff.
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Can you list the other RUclipsrs who really know their stuff? :) thanks
@Marcus - Mostly yep, it seems.
By the way, how much ram does your MBA have ?
Mine is absolutely base model : 8Gb RAM, 7c GPU... and yet it is easily the fastest Mac I've owned.
Better : it feels sooooo snappier than any other machine I've used or owned for a very, very long time !
I bet its super fast SSD is helping a lot, I can't picture how faster a Pro or Max might feel way faster than this... despite their ultra fast SSDs !
This is exactly what I wanted to see. Thank you for taking the time to record and share.
Thank you so much. Let me know if there is anything else you need to know.
@@D3VTec side by side compile comparing for spring boot app(clean build, local run startup time) maybe as an idea for u
cos “tests from 5 mins to 20 secs” is so difficult to believe 😅
tnx a lot and like for kotlin 🙃
@@D3VTec would more wonder how much more limited you would be with 16 gb ram instead of the m1 max 32 to 64, other than that this video is super informative and paints a great picture of what I can expect!
Love the videos, most people are not 8k video editors, and it’s very sad to only see content creators reviewing the new MacBooks solely based on editing specs, but your videos are incredibly refreshing, keep it up! Would love to see some ML/DL models trained, since you mentioned in the other video you like Python a lot.
I saw the need because I wanted to make an informed decision and could not. So here I am. Looks like I need to break out of my comfort zone. Can you point me where to get started? I do have a python certification and am decent at math.
@@D3VTec that’s the best starting point! Normally people use the MNIST dataset to make comparisons. This is another RUclipsr who makes ML comparisons and she did it for the M1 MacBook Pro last year. ruclips.net/video/Y3INzc4EH60/видео.html
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Agree, tech RUclips is a bit of bubble so it’s refreshing to see a video like this.
I don't think laptops will ever be good for machine learning. I do a lot of ML/DL work and the datasets get bigger and training enormous models are challenging on laptop.
I ordered my M1 Max, due in December and I'm a Java dev, to see a 20 second tests complete while your prev max out I9 took 5 minutes is mind blowing and I could hardly wait till mine comes. Excellent comparison.
These are exactly the kinds of real world tests that I’ve wanted to see since my work loads are very similar to yours. Great to see that this machine is running like a champ.
Many commenters seem confused about memory utilization: *It's the job of the OS to maximize memory usage.* So his memory utilization numbers on a 64GB machine is not relevant to what your numbers would be on a 32GB or 16GB machine.
Interesting.
Finally found a fellow developer reviewing the new MacBook, subscribed!
Same here.
I can't thank you enough for making these videos! The web is littered with people only ever talking about content creation and for once - someone is reviewing how these laptops relative to the development scene - I needed this so much!
Thanks! Let me know if there are any other questions you would like me to explore!
Subbed! Expecting to see more with this beast of a machine!
Got the 16” M1 Pro last week. I haven’t heard the fans turn on even once and everything runs so fast.. It’s just amazing.. my previous mac the fans were running 80% of the time. I was just about to quit macs but this beast brought me back.. I’m happy now.. This has to be the best macbook pro release ever.
Nice 👍, so glad to hear that the move was a positive one for you. I have been having similar experiences.
Can you please do more tests and share your experience. Maybe try running a jest test while having 5 running docker containers with some simulators and emulators running in the background, 5 VS Code instances and 30 chrome tabs. I'm trying to emulate my environment 😂
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Docker video, standalone. Will do a full load test too ruclips.net/video/7PHmB8kqpvY/видео.html&ab_channel=BajaBob
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Thank you! What's the review I needed! But what monitors do you have? Are they 4k monitors? And how is the performance with the external monitors? Because I know - resolution of the external monitors can be a challenge for gpu
This is awesome, great seeing another perspective on the M1 Max. I hope your channel keeps going with even more content! I'd love to see you really start stressing the machine out with Chrome, Slack, downloads, and other apps going at the same time.
Finally a good review that's not based on video editing for youtube.
Programmer's unite! What kind of work do you do if not video editing?
Not only great videos but you also seem like a genius developer. I’d love to hear the story of your journey as a developer!!!
Yes, an ACTUAL developer takes. Subscribed / smash like button
One of the few reviews which actually test some real world work being done on M1 Max. All the rest so called reviews are down to video editing from "content creators", showing how they edit videos to show video editing.
These laptops are truly transformative. Seriously. And the fact that they perform the same whether on power or on battery. Astonishing!
The absolutely amazing part of the ARM chips performance per Watt ratio in Apple's tight HW & SW integration! Yes its expensive, but as a mobile chip its the best thing you can get when you are on the go. Well done Apple, I really salute Apple for that!
Finally someone is actually a pro doing pro stuff, not a consumer-grade reviewer running mindless benchmark softwares or rendering for-fun 4K videos just to say this machine is fast
not all people doing same cinema benchmark . ahh i do kinda hate that because thats not pontential of os only,
side by side emulator and simulator will not crash or heat but in m1 simulator lunch much faster then intel. yet to test in m1 android emulator since mine space just base 256 gb
What made you decide to go with the 16” max. Vs the 14” max? I got the 14” max cause I mostly use external monitor and, when I did travel, the 16” was heavy and could not open all the way in a coach class seat on plane. I’m debating changing my choice pending your answer. Maybe I’m missing something.
Yeah, so I love the 13". I am mid-thirties now, my vision is still pretty good and I did great on my 13" because I can use my tools well with keyboard shortcuts. I don't rely on a mouse, therefore I am fast when developing and debugging. Well, I like to think I am :-). That being said, I rely heavily on writing unit tests. I build entire solutions from the ground up on tests. It's so much fun. Being able to easily run two panes of code so that one is the code I am testing and the other is the tests I am writing has just become something I really appreciate. It all came down to workflow. What do you absolutely need to be efficient and effective?
@@D3VTec Please tell me what monitors those are :)
I ordered the 14 inch pro model, 10cpu, 16gpu, 32ram. I was kinda afraid that I might have rushed into this given that I couldn't find many non-video related benchmarks but your stack is almost identical to what I use. Spring, Kotlin, flutter, android emulators, docker and lots and lots of Chrome tabs.
I have peace of mind now. Thanks!
Can you do a video about your overall setup ? Including monitors and accessories.. cheers
Yeah I can do that for sure! I'll add it to the list and do one soon.
Very usefull reviews Mr, thanks and keep going!
Thank you. Please let me know if there's anything else you want me to check out!
Love to see some ML model training time on this
Getting a lot of requests for this. Working on it now.
I'd love to see some videos of real world things like heaps of tabs and apps open, opening times of lots of apps, rebooting. Boring stuff that we actually do all day... Also things like plugging in displays, sleep/wake times, disk ejection (any chance that's faster?!).
Everyone else seems focused on making the same unboxing videos, and doing the same benchmarks again...
Anything that is not multithreaded will perform exactly the same as it does on M1. You can juggle more balls with M1 Pro/Max, but they are travelling at the same speed. I didn't end up using my M1 very much because experientially, it just wasn't different from the other modern computers I have. Most of the basic things we do with a computer are single threaded and usually more constrained by disk speed, network speed, and RAM utilization than the CPU. You need some sustained multithreaded computation for these machines to stretch their legs.
Hey, just wondering what jdk are you using for these tests ? I'm also enjoying getting great performance out of my new m1 max, fantastic machines. Cheers for the videos!
Thank you for sharing your opinion on this
This is what RUclips/Internet was made for. Someone doing real test, and by real I mean knowing their shit. My best wishes for your new channel. 🤘
I switched from a Linux threadripper build to the M1 max and my large parallel builds without caching are about the same. However, cached, and single thread are so much faster, it boots in seconds vs ~a minute, it generates negligible heat in comparison, and significantly less power.
Also emulators are INSANELY fast. This is the best computer I’ve ever owned.
I’ve used windows and linux in all of my previous computers.macOS feels like the sweet spot of developer usability and ease of use, for the most part.
Yes this absolutely for sure. Tell me a little bit more about your Linux build!
@@D3VTec It's a Threadripper 2950x, w/ Nvidia RTX 2080, 4TB of Samsung 970 Pro M.2 Storage, running arch (btw 😉)
I built the system in 2018 with the goal of heavy virtualization, and parallel building/cross compiling for embedded systems.
Runs amazing for most of what I need, lots of real-estate to assign, thread-wise. Gives a lot of flexibility on that front, when doing lots of virtualization.
Cons:
- Runs Hot
- Uses a lot of power
- Single thread performance is lacking
- Boots slow
Overall, it's amazing for the bulk of my work, but definitely isn't what I need for general purpose. Working remotely, with this build at home, it superheats the room it's in, throwing the house temps out of whack. My plan is to use the m1 max at home, and set the threadripper pc up at the work office to deploy parallel builds to/ssh into.
Some important context: Original liquid cooler failed & system overheated, rma'd (second, "updated/fixed/improved") cooler also failed & caused an overheat. Dropped overclocks, and got a good air cooler. TL;DR System now runs hotter than it should, and draws more power than it should (I suspect a voltage regulator somewhere got borked). Performance is ~ the same, minus overclocks being dropped.
Very informative video! I'm a webdeveloper and rely heavily on multiple services and IDEs running at the same time, it's cool to see I can even have some emulators running for mobile apps as well. Do you think 32gb would be enough (I don't really to run vms very often)? Keep up the good work!
Yes, 32Gb will be fine. I am working with huge projects, hundreds of thousands of lines of code and end to end integration. Local server + app dev. So unless you plan on running servers on heavy VM's and doing App development at the same time, you should be fine with 32Gb.
finally somebody, talked about what i do in my PC, rest all tests are all about video editing and stuff, i Have no idea about
We really would like you to do the same tests for M1PRO 16 inch base model. Thank you 😊
That is an excellent idea. On it!
It has to be said that iPhone and Anrdoid VMs benefit massively from having no instruction set emulation. They now can send their commands to the cpu without the conversion/emulation hassle an ARM VM on an Intel CPU would encounter. The JVM stuff seems legitimately mindblowing though
It has been a real pleasure to dev on so far!
Finally a software engineer reviewing the M1 Max.
Every time when I convinced myself I don’t need max there is great video I will pops up 😇
Thank you. Max isn't for everyone, fortunately I was able to justify one for testing.
@@D3VTec thank you for liking my badly written reply 😅 it’s not released to my country yet, but I am still conflicted on which is suitable for me.
Hi first of all Thank you for the video this what i want to see from developer perspective and please make video like this for cross platform mobile (React native , Flutter , etc)
Can do: Android just went up! ruclips.net/video/bm7rdAxmbxE/видео.html
Finally, We can see review of macbook pro without talking about final cut, davinci and other video editing sw...There are other professionals who actually don't care about GPU at all!
For me it is : Xcode + Interface Builder + Framer or Figma + Compiler (and/or build at MacStadium, VirtualMacOSX, etc) + Debugger + Instruments + iOS simulators + iPadOS simulators + VScode + BrowserSync + Web browsers (Safari, Chrome, Firefox, Opera) + Docker VMs + Opened Documentation.
Thats so amazing! thank you for sharing!
Great video. Would love to see some follow up of how you ran up the new beast and what problems you ran into with M1 compatibility
Thanks for the real world development comparison.
In your current workflow, can you talk about the RAM & CPU utilization on the Apple M1 Max? Please do keep the videos coming.
Compiling a huge project, I can compile on all cores, I will see 75% CPU utilization. Running 3 instances of Intellij, one Android emulator, a JVM based server, Postman, Spotify, Git desktop client, Slack, and Chrome with many tabs I average 45 gigs of memory utilization.
Nice! I don't develop for Android, mostly c++ on rhel using docker. And FPGAs as a hobby. I'm using an M1 13 in and I'm very happy with it. good to know that if I need to update my workflow there is laptop that can keep up. I have a workstation that I use as a server for machine learning so probably I don't have a use case for a more powerful laptop at this moment. This is the review I wanted for a long time, thanks.
Thank you! Finally the one I wanted. I really don't care about how fast it can render stuff on Final Cut.
I was wondering when I’d see engineering reviews. This thing looks crazy
Are M1 cores SMT enabled? I would be really interested to see how it runs VMWare Fusion VM. Wondering how many threads you can allocate to your vm and still be able to run all these dev tools ( IDEs, emulators, servers etc ) on the host. Thank you for sharing.
0:34 there very well could be scorch marks under where my old macbook sat. definitely agree
That is a lot of heat 🔥🔥
How have you got 2 monitors connected to a dock via 1 thunderbolt cable? As Mac only allows 1 video stream per thunderbolt, unless you are using display link?
Okay, this is the second video I've seen from you and you've piqued my interest. Question, how does your M1 max laptop behave with a 2 external displays + laptop screen open and a few Jetbrains IDE's open? I have a spec'd out 16" i9 that gets super hot and the fans sound like something from a jet engine (exageration..maybe...) under load + multiple screens.
This is glorious! I’m actually waiting for mine to arrive and curious to know the dock you’re plugged into?
Damn... Now I'm considering going back to Mac. I'm mostly a PC (Linux) guy. Ever since I moved to Linux, I haven't looked back. But was always happy with a mac. Damn. Can't decide.
Do you like the idea of a laptop? Have you found a Linux laptop that you like?
This is the kinda video I would like to see. I assume you also have several Docker containers running when you execute your Spring Boot test. This is impressive, I wonder if M1Pro with 32GB would be enough for this workflow, or should I max out the specs?
You should compare it with some kind of top amd laptop or desktops
I absolutely agree. Need to get some Linux machines in there as well!
I'd love to see the same test on the M1 iMac 24"
Or the mbp M1
Excellent review. Can you show the startup time comparison of a springboot application - from “mvn spring-boot:run” to when the application is ready.
What mouse do you use? Nice sounding clicks over there :)
Any weirdness running docker images ? I've heard python engineer complain about m1. My workflow is more involved in NodeJS though.
Do you see any advantage in the extra GPU cores over the 24 core M1 Max or the M1 Pro? Is the M1 Max of any benefit to your workflow over the M1 Pro besides being able to configure it with 64GB of ram? Thanks! :)
I don't think I would notice any issues with my current workflow on the M1 Pro. The GPU cores are only helping me with video editing right now, else having the extra ram just helps my VM's perform better.
But what about VS code, does still have issues? Many web devs use VS and for what I heard it wasn't running fine on M1 chips.
Great reviews and much better place to put the cámara. Could you test how is this performance for node?
Nice to see the 64gb of unified memory pulling its weight. I went ahead and sprung for it, but that was the thing I was least confident about spending the $$ on, with swap on a 7gbs ssd and memory compression wasnt sure Id even need it.
Hey man what displays do you use ?
I have the same thermal/ noise/ throttling issues with my current full specked MBP. One Issue I am seeing is the power consumption of graphic card when connected to my two 5k displays.
I see u have two monitors as well - great - that was the review I was waiting for.
48 hours in, still no fan noise. Going to have to start finding more things to push on this machine. Typing this reply right now on the new keyboard. It is fantastic. Snappy, assertive key presses.
@@D3VTec try Gathertown…. ;)
Do you have any battery benchmarks between those two machines and/or between other M1 variants? Thank you!
any mini-led blooming issues on the built-in XDR, black terminals with white text, or IDEs in dark mode? Still on the fence about 32GB vs 64GB, I run 2-3 simulators and VSCode and docker (also a full stack developer :-) ). Works ok on my m1 air. Awesome video!
Finally a real world tests
Thanks for the feedback!
Interested in knowing what you think about the ram upgrade. Have you run into use cases where you need the 64GB ram? Thanks!
Do you notice any difference in autocomplete speed in Intellij vs the i9 Model?
I just found out that (on the i9) if you go to
System Preferences - Battery - Battery - Automatic Graphic Switching
and turn this of, it works without any lag vs it taking about 500 - 800 ms when this is enabled.
I have not touched that configuration (but now I want to). Autocomplete on the M1 Max is insane fast. It is one of the first things I noticed when I started coding on it.
Thank you for reviewing these MacBooks from developer perspective.
I’m new to programming and hope to learn.
Do you think the base 14 inches or 16 would be enough ?
Please run mid or high scaled deep learning modelsin this laptop.
Queuing it up!
Great review - would love to know how much of the ram and cpu % are being used during these stress tests.
Hi, can you tell us what kind of monitors and external adapter you are using?
What is you multi display setup? Are you using thunderbolt? I would love to see a quick video on your display setup
Sure thing. I will start working on that. I use 2x 4k monitors, both are the same Dell Ultrasharp 27". Cal Digit TS3, Thunderbolt 3 dock that does everything over one cable. Supports the full 60Hz of both monitors great. Love being able to plug and play.
When I open up an android emulator on my 2015 macbook pro at work it lags so bad, but not too bad when I open an ios simulator. Whats your opinion on coding with an imac? I am thinking about switching to imac pro to macbook pro or 2022 imac at home.
Awesome. Any idea how this would look on M1 Pro? This is what I'm currently considering
So, emulators are RAM guzzlers. Now, during your typical day, how long can you go before you have to plug in? That is missing in all these M1 vs ... videos. The code/compile cycle, while running unplugged, over a period of say 6-8 hours is another stress test that might be interesting.
Great question! At hour 24 of ownership I sat down and stared development again. Was on battery, first complete discharge of the new machine. I was compiling, designing in sketch, running servers, a single emulator and running many chrome tabs. I am going to make a video about this to get a good understanding of performance.
Hey, I am mainly a windows/security dev and so most of my tasks will be done through windows and linux. How does windows 10 on rosetta stack up against other windows laptops when it comes to CPU-intensive tasks like rendering, compiling, multitasking etc? And how well does Arch run on it?
What monitors are those? Great video!
One problem of MBP is that its limited lid angle. I mean, if one sometimes wants to use it like a desktop, which probably not uncommon, the limited lid angle means that it blocks the monitor, so one cannot use the keyboard+trackpad. There are many Windows laptop whose lid can be opened 180 degrees or more.
I hope you can help testing one case. That was the only time I remember my macbook pro stuck. I had a virtualbox running linux, have a more than 1gb wireshark file being analysed. I found my 16gb ram was completely taken. Nothing responding. Can you check if you work on a memory consuming task in a virtual machine, will the ultra fast ssd help?
Helpful videos :). How are you finding battery life for your heavier workflows here? Cheers
It would be great if you could do a video on how you setup your IDE for different types of projects 👍
Love this. I can do this for sure!
Awesome video, exactly what I was looking for.
What was the heat like with the apps your were running. I.e. could you put the laptop on your lap ;)
Would you say the 14 inch M1 Pro is a good starter laptop to get into creating apps for iPhone?
I would like to know if the dedicated neural engine cores in these M1 chips are really helpful for data scientists, to run faster machine learning or deep learning models and such.
I absolutely want to know the answer to this too. Unfortunately I haven't taken the time to really dig into machine learning. So if you could point me at a repository that helps me get models trained and up and running quickly I can crank out a video that does some benchmarking for you.
0:21 this made me check my slack thanks bud
It's like one of the super annoying radio Ads with a police siren in it. Driving down the highway and that happens are you're driving, like WTF? haha
More "amazing" said. Yes, I agree, it is amazing. I watched so many comparison videos, and this can use the tag "game changer". Too bad all my development is Win based (and can't transition). Anyway for the price, I think this is going to rock RUclips creators for video editing/creation. It's outstanding for that.
I have the same workflow, or at least use the same set of softwares you’ve mentioned in the video. With all those iOS simulators, Android emulators, Docker containers running in the background, and Chrome tabs opened, I’m curious to know how much RAM are you consuming? Are you hitting or getting close to the 32GB?
I think you mentioned you use about 47GB out of 64GB from your previous Intel 16-inch macbook. Are you hitting around the same amount of RAM on your new 64GB M1 Max?
I’m planning to get one myself, but torn between 32GB and 64GB RAM.
He's exceeding 32GB throughout this video. He's using like 47GB.
@@beyondbased Oh yeah, I didn't realise he was. Well, that's nuts!
I misunderstood. I thought he was talking about his RAM consumption from the previous 16-inch MacBook Pro he had.
Really my first time making videos, so its going to be a rough start :-). But yeah, the M1 Max is using the same amounts of RAM as the i9. I am just noticing that it never gets hot with my workload, I am coding on the couch far more now that I ever was before because it actually works as a laptop. If I was on a strict budget, I would go 32Gb. I think I would likely be fine running an IDE or two and an emulator along with Chrome and some other tools. I would likely need to upgrade my hardware sooner though. I really think these new machines have the potential to last many, many years. More than the three year Applecare program. I want to see if this machine will last me 7.
If you are tight on budget or just don't want to tie up so much money in one device, then you can go with the 32 GB model and upgrade 6 or 12 months later, when you can still sell it for half the price at least.
You can think of that difference between your buying and selling price as a cost of renting the machine for 6-12 months.
Alternatively, you can get a small loan, just so you can afford the extra cost of the bigger screen, the 64 GB RAM and the price of the Max vs Pro, since you can't get 64 GB with the M1 Pro product line.
Some ppl keep mentioning that you can also just return the device of you don't like it, without questions asked. That probably only works in the US though, I'm not sure. At least I don't think you can do that in Hong Kong, but I will ask.
Hey, can you test accelerated Tensorflow performacne on these bad boys? Would love to see how well they perform on mid-sized datasets (5GB+). You know, typical tests like parsing a dataframe, manipulating, filtering, aggregating and filtering it, then perhaps training a regressor/classififer or preferably even Deep Learning model on it.
Been looking for a video like this. Sold. How does it do with a kubernetes istio cluster?
But will it also run Hello world smoothly ?
😅😅😅
Love this Lea, I might need to borrow this for the next video.
What Dock are you using?
can you please suggest i get this on dec 2023 m1 max or buy m3 pro
BTW, just curios: What's up with (having) the clock? :D
How is new Rosetta performance?
What android emulator are you using in this video?
I bought a M1 Max MBP 32GB RAM, 32 core CPU and 4TB SSD with a view to doing similar development work in the future. I’m getting a little buyer’s remorse as I wonder how well 32GB RAM will handle multiple VMs, simulators, etc. If anyone’s using a similar spec for this kind of work, please let me know how you’re getting on with it.
Would like to see the same thing on a base 14" as well as M1 13" MacBook Air
would love to know how much memory is consumed by the emulators
i really want to get one but i think the "Max" Model doesn't really add performance for a developing point of view besides the 64 gigs ram
tl:dr => do you think the 32gig "Pro" Modell would perform equally?
Yeah after spending quite a bit of time with it I think I would be fine with the performance of the M1 Pro with 32 gigs of RAM. Everything is just so fast I think if I even needed to close a few applications because I was approaching maximum RAM usage I would be fine with that because application is just start so quickly. Emulators take up as much memory as you give them. For instance a simple pixel emulator can easily chew up anywhere between 3 and 5 gigs.