This is GAME CHANGING!! Developing movie film at home is now viable for me! Thank you so much for the tutorial, I will definitely save for this set up!
@@biscayforex4317 Have you calculated the cost of lab developing all your film over an entire year? It adds up quick. I once went on a week long vacation and shot 50 sheets of 4x5. It cost me over $1000 for a lab to develop them all.
If we put aside the cost of machine, only for the chemical solutions.. how much is approx. the cost to develop one cart of Ekrachrome? We have to be honest here since some labs.charge around $18-25/ cart.
I love your way to producing master pieces!! I will buy filmomat automatic processer! Please wrap it well and ship it. And don't lose your inspiration and enthusiasm. My photo life is up to you. Don't forget. ^^ from Korea.
does filmomat process still photo films, like 120 roll film, and possibly do sheet 4x5" film, maybe in future you could have it process paper too (darkroom prints of 4x5 and 8x10).
The results from Filmomat look very good.. reversal process. E6 ECN2 probably better going through a machine processor.. to put in perspective. These machines are massive. REM jet is removed with water jets, then there’s cross over devices… if you visit a commercial lab your see for yourself. REM jet a real mission to deal with doing it by hand after processing.. yes your colour dev will be contaminated. There’s a less toxic aggressive bleach you can use with ECN2, mix from raw chemicals. Worth noting disposing of the used bleach Should be given to a professional chemical disposal company.. you shouldn’t pour it into local waste water.. very toxic. In the uk you risk been fined. I’m very excited by this machine. It is putting professional quality processing in more hands which is very positive. I’m very tempted to buy it for reversal processing. I wish the project ever success.
With certain compromises, yes. There is no good way to remove the Remjet though. That`s the first thing. Then, bleach fixes for ECN are bad. But you could live with that. Proper ECN UL bleach would attack the tanks, so you`d have to substitute it. All possible. So, can you process ECN-2 S8 film? Yes. Will it be fun and convenient? No. Removing the Remjet only after processing will be no option either, btw: The CD is alkaline and will soften and solve the Remjet layer, and wash parts of it into the CD, rendering it unusable for other films. Thus, you´d have to run it as one-shot, which is not very efficient.
You can definitely do ECN2 with this setup and I will probably do a separate video about that at some point. In the La Palma video I linked, there is 50% Vision 50D footage, so you can definitely get really nice results. For end users there are several small Kits available, for example the Bellini ECN-2 Kit. Using the "original" Kodak chemistry makes little sense as you can only buy that in 20L bulk quantities (the Filmomat only needs 500mL). There are two main limitations: ECN2 needs 5 baths, but the Filmomat has only 3 tanks. This requires to split the process into two parts and exchange the chemistry in between. It's easily done in 5min. Second, like Ludwig already said, is the RemJet. The majority of the RemJet is removed during the process, after the PreBath and rinse. A small part sticks to the film, tough, and needs to be wiped off with a soft sponge after the process. This is a bit tedious and the film needs to be wiped multiple times, to get rid of all the RemJet. Of course its not as convenient as sending the film to the lab, but it's definitely fun to do. At the end of the day, ECN2 was always designed to be done in continuous processors - so doing it in batch (no matter if with the Filmomat, Lomo Tank or whatever equipment) will always be a bit of a compromise.
This is fantastic and I would say a game changer! I have a couple of questions: 1) I notice that there is no ‘remjet’ removal step here, how is it that this gets removed from the film? 2) is it possible to develop 16mm film in the Filmomat and how would the setup differ from Super8? Congratulations once again on creating this product!
Thank you! In this video I process Ektachrome (reversal film), which has no RemJet. The workflow for 16mm is the same, you just need to increase the distance of the spiral to 16mm :)
@@TheLucaaw Yes, black and white reversal is perfectly doable with this setup. You can for example use the Foma reversal Kit, or also the new Adox reversal kit.
It is really a nice innovation.. It will encourage the newbies in super 8 hobby . I have one question, the clear plastic tubes used here for chemical tanks , seems to me Acrylic plastic material. Dose E-6 chemicals has any corrosive effect on Acrylic? I also noticed , there are lots of bubbles inside the chemicals tubes once the chemical return back to the tank. In this process is there any possibility to oxidised the chemicals ? as we now , oxidisation de-grade the quality of chemicals for 2nd use. Your feedback will be appreciated . Thanks again for your effort.
E6? is that for cine?, what is going round RUclips at the moment is ECN2 like that used for 70mm 500T used as a cheap alternate for hasselblad and other mf cameras.
böyle bir prosesin çok gerekli olduğunu sanmıyorum yıkama seti ile beraber kullanıcıya ulaşsaydı daha fazla kişiye ulaşabilirdi belkide karşılaştırma seçeneği olabilirdi yanan filmler yıkanmayan film ler minimuma inebilirdi belkide oldukça küçük bu 8m laylon manyetik olanla beraber galiba
Hello Good afternoon The problem is color stability, either EKtachrome or Agfacolor S8, the colors deteriorate very quickly, the only one that could last at least 50 years was Kodachrome, the best amateur color film ever made, grain very thin, high color quality and long life, unfortunately, Kodak stopped making this film.
@@vladamiskovic Goodnight All chromogenic films lose color, only some are more stable than others. It also has to do with how the films are preserved, which must be around 10º Celsius and 50/55% humidity without contact with gases or other types of different films.
@@josesaraiva9566Filmove čuvam na sobnoj temperaturi, dakle oko 22 stepena. Boljih uslova nemam, kao i mnogi. Negde sam čuo da filmovi brže propadaju ako se drže hermetički zatvoreni u kutijama. Ispostavlja se da su najdugotrajniji crno - beli filmovi, jer oni nikako ne mogu da izblede.
I've been waiting for something like this for well over a decade.
This is GAME CHANGING!! Developing movie film at home is now viable for me! Thank you so much for the tutorial, I will definitely save for this set up!
yea but it costs 4000€ 😭
@@bressqn Yep , true , it costs a lot , its not viable for a couple of cartridges unfortunatly ...
...until you see the price 😅
@@biscayforex4317 Have you calculated the cost of lab developing all your film over an entire year? It adds up quick.
I once went on a week long vacation and shot 50 sheets of 4x5. It cost me over $1000 for a lab to develop them all.
This is incredible. So happy to see new innovations for 8mm film
If we put aside the cost of machine, only for the chemical solutions.. how much is approx. the cost to develop one cart of Ekrachrome? We have to be honest here since some labs.charge around $18-25/ cart.
Hello, this device looks great! I want to ask whether this equipment is for sale
Nice work! Love the filmomat! Can you share your formula and times with us?
Wow this machine is super cool. It is almost like decorative fountain.
I love your way to producing master pieces!! I will buy filmomat automatic processer! Please wrap it well and ship it. And don't lose your inspiration and enthusiasm. My photo life is up to you. Don't forget. ^^ from Korea.
does filmomat process still photo films, like 120 roll film, and possibly do sheet 4x5" film, maybe in future you could have it process paper too (darkroom prints of 4x5 and 8x10).
Chapeau! This is top-notch engineering!
The results from Filmomat look very good.. reversal process. E6
ECN2 probably better going through a machine processor.. to put in perspective. These machines are massive. REM jet is removed with water jets, then there’s cross over devices… if you visit a commercial lab your see for yourself. REM jet a real mission to deal with doing it by hand after processing.. yes your colour dev will be contaminated.
There’s a less toxic aggressive bleach you can use with ECN2, mix from raw chemicals.
Worth noting disposing of the used bleach
Should be given to a professional chemical disposal company.. you shouldn’t pour it into local waste water.. very toxic. In the uk you risk been fined.
I’m very excited by this machine. It is putting professional quality processing in more hands which is very positive. I’m very tempted to buy it for reversal processing.
I wish the project ever success.
very interesting!!!
That is quite the setup! Is the tank capable of processing with a ECN-2 developer?
With certain compromises, yes. There is no good way to remove the Remjet though. That`s the first thing. Then, bleach fixes for ECN are bad. But you could live with that. Proper ECN UL bleach would attack the tanks, so you`d have to substitute it. All possible. So, can you process ECN-2 S8 film? Yes. Will it be fun and convenient? No. Removing the Remjet only after processing will be no option either, btw: The CD is alkaline and will soften and solve the Remjet layer, and wash parts of it into the CD, rendering it unusable for other films. Thus, you´d have to run it as one-shot, which is not very efficient.
You can definitely do ECN2 with this setup and I will probably do a separate video about that at some point. In the La Palma video I linked, there is 50% Vision 50D footage, so you can definitely get really nice results. For end users there are several small Kits available, for example the Bellini ECN-2 Kit. Using the "original" Kodak chemistry makes little sense as you can only buy that in 20L bulk quantities (the Filmomat only needs 500mL). There are two main limitations: ECN2 needs 5 baths, but the Filmomat has only 3 tanks. This requires to split the process into two parts and exchange the chemistry in between. It's easily done in 5min. Second, like Ludwig already said, is the RemJet. The majority of the RemJet is removed during the process, after the PreBath and rinse. A small part sticks to the film, tough, and needs to be wiped off with a soft sponge after the process. This is a bit tedious and the film needs to be wiped multiple times, to get rid of all the RemJet. Of course its not as convenient as sending the film to the lab, but it's definitely fun to do.
At the end of the day, ECN2 was always designed to be done in continuous processors - so doing it in batch (no matter if with the Filmomat, Lomo Tank or whatever equipment) will always be a bit of a compromise.
This is fantastic and I would say a game changer! I have a couple of questions:
1) I notice that there is no ‘remjet’ removal step here, how is it that this gets removed from the film?
2) is it possible to develop 16mm film in the Filmomat and how would the setup differ from Super8?
Congratulations once again on creating this product!
Thank you! In this video I process Ektachrome (reversal film), which has no RemJet.
The workflow for 16mm is the same, you just need to increase the distance of the spiral to 16mm :)
@@filmomat_official thanks for the info. Would you be able to process B&W reversal films such as the Super8 Kodak Tri-X 7266?
@@TheLucaaw Yes, black and white reversal is perfectly doable with this setup. You can for example use the Foma reversal Kit, or also the new Adox reversal kit.
It is really a nice innovation.. It will encourage the newbies in super 8 hobby . I have one question, the clear plastic tubes used here for chemical tanks , seems to me Acrylic plastic material. Dose E-6 chemicals has any corrosive effect on Acrylic? I also noticed , there are lots of bubbles inside the chemicals tubes once the chemical return back to the tank. In this process is there any possibility to oxidised the chemicals ? as we now , oxidisation de-grade the quality of chemicals for 2nd use. Your feedback will be appreciated . Thanks again for your effort.
Wonderful!
Give me an ectachrome and I will develop it
how about scanning? i would like to learn how to scan too! could you make a tutorial?
scanning super 8 without a good dedicated scanner isn't worth it in my experience and good ones are very expensive.
So cool!!!
Awesome :)
E6? is that for cine?, what is going round RUclips at the moment is ECN2 like that used for 70mm 500T used as a cheap alternate for hasselblad and other mf cameras.
böyle bir prosesin çok gerekli olduğunu sanmıyorum yıkama seti ile beraber kullanıcıya ulaşsaydı daha fazla kişiye ulaşabilirdi belkide karşılaştırma seçeneği olabilirdi yanan filmler yıkanmayan film ler minimuma inebilirdi belkide oldukça küçük bu 8m laylon manyetik olanla beraber galiba
Fuck, it's sharper than my bmpcc6k...
I don’t even want to see how much this set-up costs.
It’s a dream but, cost prohibitive to the majority.
I just process it by hand.
Hello
Good afternoon
The problem is color stability, either EKtachrome or Agfacolor S8, the colors deteriorate very quickly, the only one that could last at least 50 years was Kodachrome, the best amateur color film ever made, grain very thin, high color quality and long life, unfortunately, Kodak stopped making this film.
Zdravo
Da li se to gubljenje boje dešava i na Fuji velvia, ili provia, posle dužeg vremena?
Hvala
@@vladamiskovic
Goodnight
All chromogenic films lose color, only some are more stable than others.
It also has to do with how the films are preserved, which must be around 10º Celsius and 50/55% humidity without contact with gases or other types of different films.
@@josesaraiva9566Filmove čuvam na sobnoj temperaturi, dakle oko 22 stepena. Boljih uslova nemam, kao i mnogi. Negde sam čuo da filmovi brže propadaju ako se drže hermetički zatvoreni u kutijama.
Ispostavlja se da su najdugotrajniji crno - beli filmovi, jer oni nikako ne mogu da izblede.