For this price, all film profiles should be pre-programmed into the machine, as well as a simple push/pull stop function, where the machine calculates it.
That is a really cool machine, but the process barely looks easier than processing film without it. I used to process film with a Unicolor drum and motor and the only real difference is pouring the chemicals in and out. For $5000, I'd really like a machine that would take my cartridge in one end and spit dry film out the other. And did I mention? I was processing E6!
You can buy this, or you can buy a used car. What a great tool............................................. for separating new, naive photographers from their money!
Hallo Lukas. Absolutely brilliant! The idea of rotating the spools inside the tank is genious. Maybe you should think about patenting the idea, if not done before. Also cannot complain about the price. I just checked it and the Filmomat is only 10% more expensive than the non-automatic concurrent. Respect!
Impressive but excessively expensive. I understand this is a small operation and thus cant achieve mass manufacture costs but for 4k euros I can fund my entire film & developing expenditure for the next 20 years. I can only see this in the hands of professional labs or hobbyists with way more money than sense.
If you believe that's your budget for film photography for 20 years, then this machine is not for you. You must only shoot a few rolls per month, if that!!! If you're shooting several rolls per week or even more, then this machine would be ideal. You'd easily recoup the money you spent on the Filmomat if you had turnover like that and were selling prints. An A3 or even A2 print is not cheap, especially if it's a good one, and if they're framed as well, the cost is even more. So, it really depends on what you're doing with your photography as to whether this machine will suit.
@@carltanner9065 How many people are professionally involved with film photography, to the extent they can make a living out of it by not only shooting more than a few rolls of film per month but also printing them ? My guess is you can count them with your fingers. Most people go through a couple rolls a year, let alone a month. At this configuration this product is extremely niche, as the inventor himself has said hes only sold a couple dozens throughout the world, and Im guessing he's probably already pretty much covered anyone that can warrant such expense for such a trivial function.
@@imvisier9925 More than you realise. A lot more than 10 or 20, like you're implying. Of course, the Filmomat is not for everyone and certainly most hobbyist wouldn't buy one. But, if you're making a living out of film photography, this would be a prudent purchase and you'd make your money back fairly quickly. But, as for only a couple of rolls per year, that would be very sparing, even for an average hobbyist. I just bought two more rolls of film (XP2) and I have at least another 10 in the fridge I will be using soon enough, including 120 rolls (5 of them). Plus, 6 I've yet to develop that have been used. I also shoot digital as well, so I'm not some luddite who goes for one or the other medium. I like both. I'd easily shoot 2-3 rolls per month. Sometimes more, depending on what I'm doing. But, I'm not chewing through money and what I do spend doesn't worry me. It's not that much.
Moin Lukas. DAS nenne ich mal eine Weiterentwicklung! Respekt! Auch das, was ich über das Video von der Materialanmutung und Verarbeitung erkennen kann, wirkt sehr beeindruckend. Meiner Ansicht nach Verbesserungen an genau den richtigen unkten und sehr clevere Lösungen. Motor im Deckel und sogar extern zu benutzen: Das hat was ;-) Besser aussehen als meine Filmetta konnte der Filmomat ja schon immer, aber jetzt ist er auch funktional sehr gut aufgestellt... Wünsche Dir, dass das Ding sich noch besser verkauft, als der Vorgänger :-)
Hey, danke :) Bin auch sehr zufrieden mit der Neuentwicklung. Alles ist wie immer aus robustem Material vollgefräst/gedreht und es macht wirklich Spaß damit zu arbeiten. Die größere Kapazität macht es auch viel einfacher größere Mengen Film zu bewältigen :)
The new integrated tank and motorized agitation is clever and adds function. However the core of the Filmomat is still limited to three bath processing, which limits color processing to the DIY home process based chemistry kits which present a significant compromise of the true processes. Both old and newly introduced processors do not have this limitation, and cost no more.
Although there are only 3 chemical tanks, you can create custom algorithms on the Filmomat for more complicated dev processes. ECN2 for example. You just need to be around to swap the chemicals mid development.
Yes! However, as ECN2 is a 5-bath process and the Filmomat has only 3 compartments, you have to split the process into two parts, and exchange chemistry in between. It's a bit more work but totally possible :)
great video, but does it do 4x5" as well?, or can you make one which does. Also what are all the 'cocks' for on the side?, you don't do a "from the box" setup, so it left me wondering where the water for the main tank came from?
I’ve followed your machine for quite a while, but I can’t help but feel your machine is kinda in an odd position. It’s too expensive for small time operators (Unless they’re making money on their photography, and frankly few are these days.) But it’s really not big enough to provide economies of scale for small lab or photofinisher. 4, 135 or 2, 120 reels is really not sufficient to process a batch of customer orders, or even 1 pro pack of film. I can’t help but feel that you’d find more success if you pursued a much larger machine, oriented at a 5-10 rolls type of economy, which would be more in line with both the JOBO processors, as well as the typical loads of your average lab these days.
Hi, the Filmomat is mainly used by private individuals, which also was my main intention in the first place. However, I also have several users who do commercial processing with the machine. You won't be able to process 250 rolls per day, but 20-50 rolls a day is totally possible and definitely in the range for a small lab :)
The target market is home users with a large budget for convenience. No competent photofinisher would use the home chemistry kits this machine is limited to. Those kits incorporate compromises in process quality which would (should?) be unacceptable for a commercial processor, and unit/per roll cost of such small volume kits is much higher than the commercial, full process chemistry these labs buy. Small labs are more likely to buy the machines now in final, pre-sale tests made in Australia and Italy, which will be about 10 to 20& more expensive. Ultimately, the problem of the Filmomat is that it was designed by an engineer rather than a photo chemist.
@@IlleCaudimordax There is the Dev A from Europe, now in limited retail sales, which costs about 40% more than this model of Filmomat. The one from Australia, name escapes me at the moment, but it's all over the blogs like Photrio. They have been in trials, but I think they are now in limited sales, priced very close to the Filmomat. Both will operate up to six solution systems plus separate wash and cleaning cycles. Frankly, after considering the three bath limitation of the first model, I would have though this successor would have been offered with a six bath function, or perhaps with an optional expanded version meeting the requirements of a 6 bath process. As it stands now, the several 3-bath and 6-bath models on the market today will probably exhaust the demand world-wide within a year or two, thereafter putting most of these guys out of business.
This is a really cool idea for small film labs, but for me it would take the fun out of developing the film. I might be in the minority here, but I love the proses for what it is. You get the film in the tank, heat up the chemicals, do the process and hope it works. For me, that is the fun of film, having to do everything myself. Unless I’m out of chemistry and need the pictures, I never use a lab. Cheaper to do it at home, even C-41, believe it or not.
Hi Lukas. Is it a secret or can you reveal how many machines are running now ? What about service if needed, you alone or a small team ? Is it possible to buy directly without VTA for a declared professional from France ? Regards, Jean-Marc.
Echt mega schönes design, aber eine Frage habe ich dennoch: Passt der Zylinder in einen großen Wechselsack oder muss man die Filme in einem dunklen Raum eindrehen?
Processing film sideways looks like a recipe for disaster. I didn't realize this thing was $6000. you can buy a used mini lab on ebay for You can buy a used mini lab on eBay for $4000. No worries though. I'm sure someone in China is watching and we will be able to get one of these in about a year mass produced for $300
I truly love your machine and I will buy one on the day I saved enough money...
For this price, all film profiles should be pre-programmed into the machine, as well as a simple push/pull stop function, where the machine calculates it.
$4000 Wow. I could never buy this. Whom is this target for?
It's for you, Reuben.
That is a really cool machine, but the process barely looks easier than processing film without it. I used to process film with a Unicolor drum and motor and the only real difference is pouring the chemicals in and out.
For $5000, I'd really like a machine that would take my cartridge in one end and spit dry film out the other. And did I mention? I was processing E6!
This is amazing. I've watched this video so many times lol. I'll be buying one, the only question is when.
The new model looks so good. So sleek. Congrats, Lukas!
You can buy this, or you can buy a used car. What a great tool............................................. for separating new, naive photographers from their money!
Nice to see the new Filmomat in action!
Hallo Lukas. Absolutely brilliant! The idea of rotating the spools inside the tank is genious. Maybe you should think about patenting the idea, if not done before. Also cannot complain about the price. I just checked it and the Filmomat is only 10% more expensive than the non-automatic concurrent.
Respect!
Impressive but excessively expensive. I understand this is a small operation and thus cant achieve mass manufacture costs but for 4k euros I can fund my entire film & developing expenditure for the next 20 years. I can only see this in the hands of professional labs or hobbyists with way more money than sense.
If you believe that's your budget for film photography for 20 years, then this machine is not for you. You must only shoot a few rolls per month, if that!!! If you're shooting several rolls per week or even more, then this machine would be ideal. You'd easily recoup the money you spent on the Filmomat if you had turnover like that and were selling prints. An A3 or even A2 print is not cheap, especially if it's a good one, and if they're framed as well, the cost is even more. So, it really depends on what you're doing with your photography as to whether this machine will suit.
@@carltanner9065 How many people are professionally involved with film photography, to the extent they can make a living out of it by not only shooting more than a few rolls of film per month but also printing them ? My guess is you can count them with your fingers. Most people go through a couple rolls a year, let alone a month. At this configuration this product is extremely niche, as the inventor himself has said hes only sold a couple dozens throughout the world, and Im guessing he's probably already pretty much covered anyone that can warrant such expense for such a trivial function.
@@imvisier9925 More than you realise. A lot more than 10 or 20, like you're implying. Of course, the Filmomat is not for everyone and certainly most hobbyist wouldn't buy one. But, if you're making a living out of film photography, this would be a prudent purchase and you'd make your money back fairly quickly. But, as for only a couple of rolls per year, that would be very sparing, even for an average hobbyist. I just bought two more rolls of film (XP2) and I have at least another 10 in the fridge I will be using soon enough, including 120 rolls (5 of them). Plus, 6 I've yet to develop that have been used. I also shoot digital as well, so I'm not some luddite who goes for one or the other medium. I like both. I'd easily shoot 2-3 rolls per month. Sometimes more, depending on what I'm doing. But, I'm not chewing through money and what I do spend doesn't worry me. It's not that much.
There are prime lenses that dwarf the price of this machine
Exactly. And, not just one or two.
Just watched the Analog Insights video about this a couple of days ago. Looks amazing! Nice work.
This is AMAZING!!! I just discovered this and cannot wait to get my own!! Thanks for this genius level creation and congratulations on your success.
Moin Lukas. DAS nenne ich mal eine Weiterentwicklung! Respekt! Auch das, was ich über das Video von der Materialanmutung und Verarbeitung erkennen kann, wirkt sehr beeindruckend. Meiner Ansicht nach Verbesserungen an genau den richtigen unkten und sehr clevere Lösungen. Motor im Deckel und sogar extern zu benutzen: Das hat was ;-) Besser aussehen als meine Filmetta konnte der Filmomat ja schon immer, aber jetzt ist er auch funktional sehr gut aufgestellt... Wünsche Dir, dass das Ding sich noch besser verkauft, als der Vorgänger :-)
Hey, danke :)
Bin auch sehr zufrieden mit der Neuentwicklung. Alles ist wie immer aus robustem Material vollgefräst/gedreht und es macht wirklich Spaß damit zu arbeiten. Die größere Kapazität macht es auch viel einfacher größere Mengen Film zu bewältigen :)
The new integrated tank and motorized agitation is clever and adds function. However the core of the Filmomat is still limited to three bath processing, which limits color processing to the DIY home process based chemistry kits which present a significant compromise of the true processes. Both old and newly introduced processors do not have this limitation, and cost no more.
Although there are only 3 chemical tanks, you can create custom algorithms on the Filmomat for more complicated dev processes. ECN2 for example. You just need to be around to swap the chemicals mid development.
The top side of the cap (tetenal cap) is sued to open the seal ;)
Can this machine develop ecn2 motion picture films ?
Yes! However, as ECN2 is a 5-bath process and the Filmomat has only 3 compartments, you have to split the process into two parts, and exchange chemistry in between. It's a bit more work but totally possible :)
great video, but does it do 4x5" as well?, or can you make one which does.
Also what are all the 'cocks' for on the side?, you don't do a "from the box" setup, so it left me wondering where the water for the main tank came from?
I’ve followed your machine for quite a while, but I can’t help but feel your machine is kinda in an odd position. It’s too expensive for small time operators (Unless they’re making money on their photography, and frankly few are these days.) But it’s really not big enough to provide economies of scale for small lab or photofinisher. 4, 135 or 2, 120 reels is really not sufficient to process a batch of customer orders, or even 1 pro pack of film. I can’t help but feel that you’d find more success if you pursued a much larger machine, oriented at a 5-10 rolls type of economy, which would be more in line with both the JOBO processors, as well as the typical loads of your average lab these days.
Hi, the Filmomat is mainly used by private individuals, which also was my main intention in the first place. However, I also have several users who do commercial processing with the machine. You won't be able to process 250 rolls per day, but 20-50 rolls a day is totally possible and definitely in the range for a small lab :)
The target market is home users with a large budget for convenience. No competent photofinisher would use the home chemistry kits this machine is limited to. Those kits incorporate compromises in process quality which would (should?) be unacceptable for a commercial processor, and unit/per roll cost of such small volume kits is much higher than the commercial, full process chemistry these labs buy. Small labs are more likely to buy the machines now in final, pre-sale tests made in Australia and Italy, which will be about 10 to 20& more expensive. Ultimately, the problem of the Filmomat is that it was designed by an engineer rather than a photo chemist.
@@randallstewart175 which are those Austro-Italian machines you speak of?
If you’re a small lab processing mostly C-41, having one of these dedicated just to E-6 might make a lot of sense.
@@IlleCaudimordax There is the Dev A from Europe, now in limited retail sales, which costs about 40% more than this model of Filmomat. The one from Australia, name escapes me at the moment, but it's all over the blogs like Photrio. They have been in trials, but I think they are now in limited sales, priced very close to the Filmomat. Both will operate up to six solution systems plus separate wash and cleaning cycles. Frankly, after considering the three bath limitation of the first model, I would have though this successor would have been offered with a six bath function, or perhaps with an optional expanded version meeting the requirements of a 6 bath process. As it stands now, the several 3-bath and 6-bath models on the market today will probably exhaust the demand world-wide within a year or two, thereafter putting most of these guys out of business.
I’d rather keep small businesses in business. Cool though🤷🏻♂️
Would there be anychance of you developing a machine for processing RA4 prints or a print processor?
Hi how do you process for cleaning and drying te machine and tubings ???
That is awesome!
This is a really cool idea for small film labs, but for me it would take the fun out of developing the film. I might be in the minority here, but I love the proses for what it is. You get the film in the tank, heat up the chemicals, do the process and hope it works. For me, that is the fun of film, having to do everything myself. Unless I’m out of chemistry and need the pictures, I never use a lab. Cheaper to do it at home, even C-41, believe it or not.
WOW it's like a film processor nespresso machine. i need this in my life right now!
Nice looking machine. how much is the cleaning afford after a dev. session?
I assume stand developing or intervall rotation is not possible?
Add a database for all films and a DX code reader to make it even more automated ;-)
I found it amazing! Sadly it exceeds my budget.
So I can do 3 bath C41 (separate bleach and fix) or 3 bath E6 with combined Blix?
Yes exactly :)
You can also do "real" E6 if you exchange chemistry midway through the process.
Hi Lukas. Is it a secret or can you reveal how many machines are running now ? What about service if needed, you alone or a small team ?
Is it possible to buy directly without VTA for a declared professional from France ?
Regards,
Jean-Marc.
He answers your last question on his website. You need a valid VAT number for the EU if you want to buy without VAT.
I'd love to own one of these machines, but it'll have to wait until I can afford to do so. But, once I can, it'll definitely be one of my purchases :D
That spinning has to cause density problems near the edges.
Man I want this!
Cqn you give the dimensions for us hobbyist😍
What a beautiful machine.. I want one 😭😭😭😭
Absolutely amazing, I'd buy one.
Awesome :)
how to buy in indonesia
Echt mega schönes design, aber eine Frage habe ich dennoch: Passt der Zylinder in einen großen Wechselsack oder muss man die Filme in einem dunklen Raum eindrehen?
Der Tank passt durchaus auch in einen Wechselsack :)
Looks pretty cool.
Are you using one pump for all???
MUST HAVE OF THE YEAR
$4000 is not that amazing it’s ridiculous
I need one
WOW
Does the orientation of the spools on the post matter?
no it doesn’t matter in which orientation you put the spirals on the plastic cylinder.
Processing film sideways looks like a recipe for disaster. I didn't realize this thing was $6000. you can buy a used mini lab on ebay for You can buy a used mini lab on eBay for $4000. No worries though. I'm sure someone in China is watching and we will be able to get one of these in about a year mass produced for $300
Yeah - you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
Processing film sideways? You must never have processed a roll of film before. Why comment when you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.