*WTF was Rockstar Games thinking with some of these oversights haha? ONLY KIDDING! Of course mistakes are going to be made. Thank you to all the Rockstar Games developers and employees for making these awesome games throughout the years.*
You know what you are right about Rockstar the guy happened to thing to not make sense like Grand Theft Auto Liberty City Stories JD looks like Lester from Grand Theft Auto V kind of like I'm not saying that they're the same but they kind of look alike kind of
It’s funny how when you’re playing the games, you don’t really think too deeply into these details all that much. It’s only afterward, when you take a step back and think of some of these things you realize how some of the things in the games don’t make much sense. Cool video Zac.
That's incorrect. Play GTA IV and get to the mission where you sell drugs with Johnny and Playboy X in Broker but it is an ambush. That's the first mission Niko can enter Algonquin and replay TLAD. Johnny first mission with Elizabeta is the same mission.
The beginning of TLaD takes place before Jason Michaels dies. Which means Niko is still working for Fauston and Dimitri so the bridges aren't open yet.
same thing happened in red dead redemption when I shoot the strange man he rune off and he dead and when john marston shoots him he was buillt proof now i have more questions than answers about the strange man
GTA IV's Jim model was used as The Unnamed Biker in GTA IV and until this day I don't know why Rockstar used The Unnamed Biker's model as Jim Fitzgerald in the original GTA IV
What probably happened is they maybe didn't settle for a final design in time for the release of vanilla GTA 4, after all Johnny and Luis also have different appereances in their DLCs compared to vanilla GTA 4, but they also might not have had a fully finished story for Lost and Damned and Ballad of Gay Tony when GTA 4 got released, and finished them later when they ended developed on the DLC campaigns, so at one point the guy was probably meant to be a generic biker guy but they decided later in the DLC development to replace him with a plot relevant supporting character, there was some basic planning of how the stories would intersect with each other, but not exactly how each of them would unfold outside of the bits where the stories clash.
Another inconsistency is the way Jerry Kapowitz found the diamonds. In GTA IV, he's stated as finding them in the dump (after they were tossed into a dump truck). However, at the end of GTA TBOGT, he finds them in a knocked-over trash can in Meadows Park.
rockstar has a history of making continuity errors,Jim in gta 4 is suppose to be the same man from TLAD that Niko killed,originally before the DLC's came out,the lost biker gang,all looked like a stereotypical all white biker gang.
they didn't foresee the futur design or the future stories of these characters when they made these models for the nicko story, there was a will to do story DLC but nothing was fixed, until when the focus was on supporting those secondary characters, they a lso gain experience and an understanding of the engine, what you see as a player that say it's continuity errors so it's abnormal is understandable from a video game developer point of view and work, it's incremental, and going back will be a waste of money and man/hours works... some are just design choice like the 12 shots and don't aim necessarly to realism but more to symbolism, but i guess the dramatic pause was for the reload but they didn't put the animation for constraint or not (just symbol). you'll never find perfect continuity in fiction cross story for big media like this one, gta or not, when your story is +1000 pages, and +200 people working on it, plot hole will always occur.
Don't forget that one mission for Liz in GTA iv and lost and damned I forgot what it was called but chronically it makes no since. I think it's something like toll where Elizabeth gets arrested before that mission. It's only available after Bully gets arrested and Billy gets arrested after three lead clover. Niko can't do that because he hasn't done snow storm.
The beginning of GTA IV precedes the beginning of TLAD, which means Niko could be in Alderney. Remember, TLAD is approx 1/3 the length of IV in terms of number of missions
When the lost and damned begins, Niko has just started working for mikhail Faustin, because in the third TLAD mission they find out that Jason was killed, which happens in a Faustin mission
I also realized the Miguel shot in '98 plot hole however I think he technically passed out from a bullet wound and was sent to the hospital to get patched up. Even though the gameplay mechanics do make it seem that you straight up shoot him up. Whats funny is that you can chop his head off with a katana which would literally create a time paradox.
6:58 niko probably practiced fire rounds when he was young apart before he was in the sea merchant navy and niko quickly withdraw his shot on darko as it might have bee semiautomatic
GTA 5 has gotten pretty sad tbh, rockstar has gotten too update happy on a game that’s 7 years old.. but what the people want is GTA 6. The updates are mildly enjoyable for maybe a week but don’t offer much that’s “new” and then I don’t revisit GTA 5 for maybe 3 or 4 months again. And even now when I just revisited the game for the first time since last October I only got any real amusement for about a half hour.. and you know a game is struggling when the company behind it bribes gamers with $250-500,000 of online money just for logging on.
Jaeden Gutierrez haven’t played gta online in like 3 yrs but I’m watching my brother play now & all I see is these dudes killing each other w/ no purpose. I would love to play online & complete some missions & I wouldn’t mind doing them solo. But of course I feel like random ppl online will ruin my experience 🤦🏾♂️
The way I see it it's based on the characters perspectives. Jim wasn't a key character to Niko so maybe Niko remembers him or thinks of him differently. This would explain why to Niko. Johnny's tattoos and jacket isn't as detailed as it should be. This might also explain how Phills arm changes too. Remember your playing the characters story and as people, we all remember things differently even if it happens to be incorrect.
another thing that makes no sense is I fruit radio in gta 5 single player because gta 5 single player is still set in 2013 unlike online where its 2019 and actually makes sense
Josh Flynn you’d be surprised what people can withstand as an EMT that’s actually pretty accurate in some cases. Seen people shot up to 15 times and still be able to call 911 and stand up , just pure luck on the vitals honestly
They contradict the universe by not including the three islands from part 3 in 4 and not merging the 3D and HD universes together but other 3D universe characters are mentioned in HD universe
Forgot about GTA SA, Home coming, sweet comes out of jail and takes over grove Street with an AK-47. Like how can the guy have a AK-47 unless CJ gave it
-I doubted if Niko WALKS around LC, as the most of the original GTA 4 players always DRIVE here and there. -Miguel might have an ability to return to hospital after "playing dead" in LCS, just like GTA protagonists. (Johnny Klebitz might still be alive in GTA V lol)
there is explanations for how the protagonists does not know how to swim and why there are no bikes in gta 3 , supposedly in vice city there are lot of sharks , that is why nobody can swim , in gta 3 water is so unclean that its dangerous and there are no bikes in gta 3 because of some law that banned them , i remember i read it somewhere long time ago but i dont remember where
Well in gta 3 you are sent to kill some guy, then survives and then you have to kill him for real in the abulance. Same for vice city where you are sent to kill the psycho who wanted to destroy Love Fist, but then survives and tries to kill them all. AGAIN In San Andreas you need to kill Toreno by blowing up the helicopter he is in, but survives. Maybe this repeats again. Miguel survives. And c'mon, he was shot and tortured in gta 3 and survived that. Well until Catalina ended him with that stick.
What about when The Ballad of Gay Tony starts and then you have the mission Chinese Takeout? Or even Elizabeta's role in The Lost and Damned and how long before her arrest those missions took place? I'm talking about the mission where you going to take Manny's body somewhere.
I was just thinking about something. You know how the alderney bridge is out at the begininng of GTA 4. I just thought maybe that's an easter egg to GTA 3. Remember the bomb. It was just a thought.
I thought the same thing for years. Even in GTA 5, you drive up to the farm as Trevor where you clearly see that black guy from the GTA 4 Lost and Damned say "This better be bullshit!" before they drive off on their bikes but you don't see him again after they arrive at the trailer park, either.
What about rdr2 how did they do the ferry robbery in blackwater but then end up riding in from colter in the beginning of the story but yet never been to strawberry or valentine ??
Hey Zac! Good video, just wondering how can I get that yellow and blue car with back spoilers in your GTA LCS cutscene, cause as far as I'm concerned, there was no car with spoilers in that game. Your videos are great btw, keep up the good work!
Hidden Easter Egg: Niko shoots 12 rounds in GTA IV, in GTA Online the weapon returns as the .50 pistol with a extended (12 round) magazine as an attachment option.
The subliminal message to smoke Marlboro Reds because of that sign... All I could think about was smoking Marlboro Reds while watching 80s racing when Marlboro special sponsored everything cool like Nike, redbull, rolex, and underarmour do.
*WTF was Rockstar Games thinking with some of these oversights haha? ONLY KIDDING! Of course mistakes are going to be made. Thank you to all the Rockstar Games developers and employees for making these awesome games throughout the years.*
You know what you are right about Rockstar the guy happened to thing to not make sense like Grand Theft Auto Liberty City Stories JD looks like Lester from Grand Theft Auto V kind of like I'm not saying that they're the same but they kind of look alike kind of
Great vid
Bra ya GTA 4 is the weirdest rockstar logic game ever
Gta san andreas has the best gta logics ever
ruclips.net/video/dI8g6N4zRZQ/видео.html you Forgot to mention about El Burro from Gta 3 appearing in Gta 1 but they not the same character
It’s funny how when you’re playing the games, you don’t really think too deeply into these details all that much. It’s only afterward, when you take a step back and think of some of these things you realize how some of the things in the games don’t make much sense. Cool video Zac.
The reason Niko fires 12 rounds is for all 12 members of his unit that died.
All he had to do, was to reload the damn pistol!
@King David you can't mod weapons in GTA 4, though
@@Khadafi_1986 oh yeah i forgot that normal/stock have more 9 bullet then desert that have just 9 but niko shoot it 12 without reload
@@Khadafi_1986 thank you louise
@Hungry Soul Gaming I think it would be audible tho
I was born ugly, and got a makeover. Explain rockstar.
Oye tu eres loca
Your voice changed too🤔
Mr. Ninong Los santos
???????
The bridges are all open when you start playing The Lost and Damned so that’s why Niko is on Alderney island.
That's incorrect. Play GTA IV and get to the mission where you sell drugs with Johnny and Playboy X in Broker but it is an ambush. That's the first mission Niko can enter Algonquin and replay TLAD. Johnny first mission with Elizabeta is the same mission.
The islands of Lost and damned, ballad of gay tony, chinatown wars are unlocked in the beginning of game.
The beginning of TLaD takes place before Jason Michaels dies. Which means Niko is still working for Fauston and Dimitri so the bridges aren't open yet.
In GTA IV, you can see Roman's apartment and cab depot on TV, lit up on fire before it's even happened.
Hi rob
Rockstar Logic once again!
You are the Justin Y. of Rockstar Community!!
same thing happened in red dead redemption when I shoot the strange man he rune off and he dead and when john marston shoots him he was buillt proof now i have more questions than answers about the strange man
Like your profile picture, forgot his name but hes from Midnight Club L.A. Childhood game 😎
RIP James "Jim" Fitzgerald
@DogZzA and he won't reply to you😂😂
@DogZzA No he is not, Just a tryhard.
Why do I keep seeing this guy
YOU ARE EVERYWHERE!!! SERIOUSLY YOU ARE THE JUSTIN Y. OF ROCKSTAR COMMUNITY!!!
James would of killed Trevor
In GTA 3 how the characters know that Claude isn't talking
they were introduced to Claude by others.
Little Timmy still in the corner until he hits puberty
0:00
Tommy:time to go outside
*starts raining*
Tommy:NvM
Maybe they thought they killed Jim but didn't, they mistaken him for another Lost biker. Because thats obviously not Jim.
I always thought that too, I imagined Jim walked off into the Sunset unlike the others
R* confirmed that it's Jim
5:00 Is the reason why i think Claude is NOT mute. She says " he doesn't talk much" instead of "doesn't talk at all".
In my opinion, he speaks.
Yeah, Claude can definitely talk, but he only does it off-screen.
GTA IV's Jim model was used as The Unnamed Biker in GTA IV and until this day I don't know why Rockstar used The Unnamed Biker's model as Jim Fitzgerald in the original GTA IV
What probably happened is they maybe didn't settle for a final design in time for the release of vanilla GTA 4, after all Johnny and Luis also have different appereances in their DLCs compared to vanilla GTA 4, but they also might not have had a fully finished story for Lost and Damned and Ballad of Gay Tony when GTA 4 got released, and finished them later when they ended developed on the DLC campaigns, so at one point the guy was probably meant to be a generic biker guy but they decided later in the DLC development to replace him with a plot relevant supporting character, there was some basic planning of how the stories would intersect with each other, but not exactly how each of them would unfold outside of the bits where the stories clash.
He pulled a reverse Michael Jackson
Said it first deal with it
Bubble Monkeys more like Sammy Sosa
Yeah I never got that either about the Jim part..like literally they look nothing alike and I was very confused that they were the same dude
@keagan snow yeah that's what ticked me off about r*
Another inconsistency is the way Jerry Kapowitz found the diamonds. In GTA IV, he's stated as finding them in the dump (after they were tossed into a dump truck). However, at the end of GTA TBOGT, he finds them in a knocked-over trash can in Meadows Park.
Yeah. It's like they hired a different team of writers for the DLCs that knew nothing about the main story.
Hahaha love it when you mention little Timmy 😂
5:16 yo Zach is it weird that she almost sounds like Mallorie?
you inspire me Zac 🙏
*thank you.*
rockstar has a history of making continuity errors,Jim in gta 4 is suppose to be the same man from TLAD that Niko killed,originally before the DLC's came out,the lost biker gang,all looked like a stereotypical all white biker gang.
SupportGaming 2020 I think they just used the wrong name in the article
they didn't foresee the futur design or the future stories of these characters when they made these models for the nicko story, there was a will to do story DLC but nothing was fixed, until when the focus was on supporting those secondary characters, they a lso gain experience and an understanding of the engine, what you see as a player that say it's continuity errors so it's abnormal is understandable from a video game developer point of view and work, it's incremental, and going back will be a waste of money and man/hours works... some are just design choice like the 12 shots and don't aim necessarly to realism but more to symbolism, but i guess the dramatic pause was for the reload but they didn't put the animation for constraint or not (just symbol).
you'll never find perfect continuity in fiction cross story for big media like this one, gta or not, when your story is +1000 pages, and +200 people working on it, plot hole will always occur.
Don't forget that one mission for Liz in GTA iv and lost and damned I forgot what it was called but chronically it makes no since. I think it's something like toll where Elizabeth gets arrested before that mission. It's only available after Bully gets arrested and Billy gets arrested after three lead clover. Niko can't do that because he hasn't done snow storm.
The moment people learn that nothing on RUclips is 100% original this will be a lot smoother
He could have possible reloaded when he shot those first 4 bullets
That’s what I think every time they mention that scene
Rockstar is the smartest company ever
Colourful Crew & the best in gaming
The beginning of GTA IV precedes the beginning of TLAD, which means Niko could be in Alderney. Remember, TLAD is approx 1/3 the length of IV in terms of number of missions
When the lost and damned begins, Niko has just started working for mikhail Faustin, because in the third TLAD mission they find out that Jason was killed, which happens in a Faustin mission
8:47 the one on the right looks like jim
7:52 Yet back here it doesn’t look like him at all
@@csm5040 yeah it’s so weird
4:21 he obviously picks that one up.
I also realized the Miguel shot in '98 plot hole however I think he technically passed out from a bullet wound and was sent to the hospital to get patched up. Even though the gameplay mechanics do make it seem that you straight up shoot him up. Whats funny is that you can chop his head off with a katana which would literally create a time paradox.
I know why Miguel was in GTA 3, because he wasn't killed in Liberty City Stories which takes place in 1998, and GTA 3 takes place in 2001
6:58 niko probably practiced fire rounds when he was young apart before he was in the sea merchant navy and niko quickly withdraw his shot on darko as it might have bee semiautomatic
12 shots for his 12 fallen comrades.
I like to pretend that Jim in GTA IV was killed offscreen by Niko, I make up useless excuses. LMAO
Rockstar is high, anyways, thanks for the birthday wish on Instagram tho, truly appreciate it
I think that GTA RUclipsrs don't realize that some people can't swim.
@CG1 Shady oh so he's like john marston then !
I have been playing GTA for a while and its crazy that I didn’t catch on to these details. You have a good eye for things.
And those ears
There's other GTA RUclipsrs who made videos about this stuff ages ago dude
The Dislikes come from Little Timmy Lololpolokllol
How do you upload so fast?😂😂
Crack
@@ZacCoxTV nice
Because he’s smart
Kill fib agent : 2 stars Kill architect : 3 stars. Kill cop : 3 stars They didn’t know Steve Haines was corrupt though
GTA 5 has gotten pretty sad tbh, rockstar has gotten too update happy on a game that’s 7 years old.. but what the people want is GTA 6. The updates are mildly enjoyable for maybe a week but don’t offer much that’s “new” and then I don’t revisit GTA 5 for maybe 3 or 4 months again. And even now when I just revisited the game for the first time since last October I only got any real amusement for about a half hour.. and you know a game is struggling when the company behind it bribes gamers with $250-500,000 of online money just for logging on.
Jaeden Gutierrez haven’t played gta online in like 3 yrs but I’m watching my brother play now & all I see is these dudes killing each other w/ no purpose.
I would love to play online & complete some missions & I wouldn’t mind doing them solo. But of course I feel like random ppl online will ruin my experience 🤦🏾♂️
Zac, dude. If u pay attention to the dialoges, you'll undrestand that Tommy gave the guy that SMG
Which car was that at 2:36 ?? I've played GTA LCS and never encountered that car!!
The way I see it it's based on the characters perspectives. Jim wasn't a key character to Niko so maybe Niko remembers him or thinks of him differently. This would explain why to Niko. Johnny's tattoos and jacket isn't as detailed as it should be. This might also explain how Phills arm changes too. Remember your playing the characters story and as people, we all remember things differently even if it happens to be incorrect.
I like that logic. It could also explain why Victor Vance is so different between Vice City Stories and Vice City.
That's far fetch
Far fetched, imo, and honestly doesn't make much sense from a practical perspective.
Finally a youtuber that pay attention to the games, nice man, I have the same questions about gta logic!!!!
Tommy Vercetti: complete bada** and druglord of vice city.
Water: I'm about to end your entire career.
another thing that makes no sense is I fruit radio in gta 5 single player because gta 5 single player is still set in 2013 unlike online where its 2019 and actually makes sense
7:00 Also how is that guy still standing after bloody 5 bullets!?!? Its like hes getting shot by a paintball gun.
Josh Flynn you’d be surprised what people can withstand as an EMT that’s actually pretty accurate in some cases. Seen people shot up to 15 times and still be able to call 911 and stand up , just pure luck on the vitals honestly
@@fruitytuesdays3369 yeah its really incredible that are bodys can do that.
darko's death was scripted for the glock not the deagle
“Plays saints row music on a gta video”
I'm not the only one who caught that
They contradict the universe by not including the three islands from part 3 in 4 and not merging the 3D and HD universes together but other 3D universe characters are mentioned in HD universe
2:56 the blue and yellow car’s livery is the same as Beijing Taxi...... I guess that’s what you call the fastest taxi in town!
Forgot about GTA SA, Home coming, sweet comes out of jail and takes over grove Street with an AK-47. Like how can the guy have a AK-47 unless CJ gave it
-I doubted if Niko WALKS around LC, as the most of the original GTA 4 players always DRIVE here and there.
-Miguel might have an ability to return to hospital after "playing dead" in LCS, just like GTA protagonists. (Johnny Klebitz might still be alive in GTA V lol)
"Little Timmy, go sit in timeout."
Love the cancer awement sign behind ya on the right
Niko probably just flew a helicopter and jumped out
Gta 4 will always be my childhood game besides fallout and rdr
there is explanations for how the protagonists does not know how to swim and why there are no bikes in gta 3 , supposedly in vice city there are lot of sharks , that is why nobody can swim , in gta 3 water is so unclean that its dangerous and there are no bikes in gta 3 because of some law that banned them , i remember i read it somewhere long time ago but i dont remember where
Well in gta 3 you are sent to kill some guy, then survives and then you have to kill him for real in the abulance.
Same for vice city where you are sent to kill the psycho who wanted to destroy Love Fist, but then survives and tries to kill them all.
AGAIN In San Andreas you need to kill Toreno by blowing up the helicopter he is in, but survives.
Maybe this repeats again. Miguel survives. And c'mon, he was shot and tortured in gta 3 and survived that. Well until Catalina ended him with that stick.
What about when The Ballad of Gay Tony starts and then you have the mission Chinese Takeout? Or even Elizabeta's role in The Lost and Damned and how long before her arrest those missions took place? I'm talking about the mission where you going to take Manny's body somewhere.
The dlcs take place the same time as iv it’s a connected story
go sit in time out overthere-zacCox
I was just thinking about something. You know how the alderney bridge is out at the begininng of GTA 4. I just thought maybe that's an easter egg to GTA 3. Remember the bomb. It was just a thought.
The other guy looks like Jim, not the bald guy.
I thought the same thing for years. Even in GTA 5, you drive up to the farm as Trevor where you clearly see that black guy from the GTA 4 Lost and Damned say "This better be bullshit!" before they drive off on their bikes but you don't see him again after they arrive at the trailer park, either.
5:35
Love playing GTA Vice City ever since it came out to this day❗️👏🏼
AYEEEE my fav gta RUclipsr back at it again!!!!
Yessssssss so true Zac 100% i always wondered why that happens in GTA
The beard guy in the thumbnail looks like that one dude from WWE eating Chips
I thought miguel was wounded and survived when Tony shot him and thats how he was still able to be in GTA III or am I wrong?
00:00 why can't you take over a city without the ability to swim lol?
What about rdr2 how did they do the ferry robbery in blackwater but then end up riding in from colter in the beginning of the story but yet never been to strawberry or valentine ??
GTA 4 will always be my favorite, Niko bellic🗽
Nicholas Blanchard literally playing the whole the Liberty stories series as we speak. I can nvr get enough of that story! It’s like a great film
Why does the news article remind me of the GTA San andreas mission "wrong side of the tracks"?
Hey Zachary, I miss the way that you're playing in GTA, pal.
Hey Zac! Good video, just wondering how can I get that yellow and blue car with back spoilers in your GTA LCS cutscene, cause as far as I'm concerned, there was no car with spoilers in that game. Your videos are great btw, keep up the good work!
7:02 the camera goes of niko, so maybe niko reloaded.
Hidden Easter Egg: Niko shoots 12 rounds in GTA IV, in GTA Online the weapon returns as the .50 pistol with a extended (12 round) magazine as an attachment option.
I AM CONFUSION! AMERICA EXBLAIN!
I still wish Gta 4 had been Gta 4 Liberty State with a long Lost and the Damned being the main story..
It woulda been amazing!
The only thing that doesn't make sense that gta 6 didn't announced yet
you get a like for the "spread cheese on a broke cracker" line alone
Just because you see a character die in LCS, doesn't mean there really dead...
Michael De Santa anyone
I don't know if you noticed but there was another character with the same design in that cutscene with Johnny and Jim
Magel did a Michael on us
How does Toni cipriani email haung in ctw if there in different universes
San Andreas CJ has a mobile whilst GTA 3 Claude has a pager
Maybe Niko didn't killed Jim he was just ordered to chase a different Biker gang and Ray just killed Jim...
feel free to point out
i remember when i heard tommy vercetti looks like claude speed. but older
New logic in gta III the liberty County side doesn't exist in gta IV but they both take place in the same city
Why rockstar dont put gta 4 on ps4?
Parr one where u say niko cant be in alderney is false cause by time the lost dlc starts youre already well past the point where the bridges reopen
0:08 makes you wonder why Tommy's rivals didn't just throw buckets of water at him
It’s nice that u have the zombies perk bottles maybe u shld make a zombies videos we might like it and u have nothing to lose
Maybe the Megail from gta library city stores and the one from gta 3 are probably different people
The subliminal message to smoke Marlboro Reds because of that sign... All I could think about was smoking Marlboro Reds while watching 80s racing when Marlboro special sponsored everything cool like Nike, redbull, rolex, and underarmour do.
Talking about gta with saints row 2 music in the background,kinda funny lol
If only mrbossftw made content like this i wouldn't hate hin so much
The balled of gay tony and Johnny story started after the heist of gta 4 and the 3rd island unlocks
Great video zac
Everytime I watch your videos I can't stop keep up the great content you are easily my fav GTA youtuber
Is that some kind of PC mod version of GTA LCS? I’ve never seen that car with the yellow spoiler before.
I been checking out your channel recently you post some good stuff keep it up