*My mistake - this grendel is in the 300 series from CMMG. THE CHART - go to the Sniper’s Hide forum and search for Weaponized Math. You’ll find it there.
Never stretched my 5.56 out ver far but I have the grendel and love the results. Working up loads for it now. Can’t wait to really stretch it out past 300 yards
Liver Pool honestly I like the hornady black. For the distance and game I like it. It would do good on the smaller frame deer down there. Really wouldn’t need anything bigger. My opinion of course.
I’ve shot my Grendel out to 1100yds several times and all between. Granted it does take long to hit at Distance but it gets there and groups are surprising good. I was comparing it to a 6.5 creedmore
I think that the 6.5 Grendel is one of the best all around calibers for an AR15 platform. I wished that it would have caught on much more than it has. Also the more ammo that is produced and sold in any caliber the lower the cost of that ammo.
I agree 110%. I can't believe it has been out so long, and I hadn't found out about it. Perfect for long range target shooting, and can take game with reasonable efficiency.
@@otetechie 6 arc only does better for 1000 yards and over shots. It was made for precision shooting. Besides only hornady does 6 arc. We have cheap steel Grendel.
Couldn’t agree more after my first range session I was hooked and I shoot it 3x as much as I do 556 but that’ll change once the wolf goes away thanks to uncle sniffsalot and I don’t think the arc will get as popular bc the ammo jus won’t be able to catch up I mean the grendel is already limited in selection after over a decade and hornady hasn’t totally mastered the cartridge either there’s video after video of the same exact problems as the 224 Valkyrie but what do I know
Videos like this that spill the beans are why I can’t find much 6.5 Grendel ammo anymore! Great video and glad to see the very versatile Grendel is getting some time to shine!
I truly cannot get enough of 6.5 Grendel. Out of both my “competition” rifles. I always crave to shoot the Grendel. Tho im a creedmoor fanatic as well.
I have one of each. 16" 556 store bought and 18" 6.5 Frankenstein. Built a 10.5" 556 for home defense The 556 is par none out to 350 meters. Past that the Grendel is great out to 800. Could go further but I have a limited distance range. Now I could throw the dice and hit the power line cut, but...... Wish you would have used a 20" Grendel barrel, as that's an upgrade I'm looking to possibly make. To all of you thinking of getting into the 6.5 , be careful of where you get your mags. There are two main makers, one works fine while every mag I got from the other needed to have some work done to it. Rounds kept hitting the front lip when chambering. I found that getting 762X39 mags for an AR work great. Haven't had a round jam on the front lip yet. Grendel uses a necked down 762 case so no problem there. There's also a third option, called a 'multimag'. As to ammo, yes Virginia, the Grendel costs more to shoot. Pre freak out was @75 cents a round, lucky now if I can find under a dollar rounds. Whereas I can still get 556 for around 50 - 60 cents a round. Will the Grendel replace the 556 as America's sweetheart? I don't think so. The 556 is the girl next door while the 6.5 is the prep school blonde hottie across the tracks. 762X39 [AR-47} is the tattooed chick from the pool hall, smokin a Camel and drinkin a PBR. She'll give you a ride, but you AIN'T bringin her home to Mom & Dad.
Get the Elander mags in 6.5 Grendel. Israeli made steel mags. By far the best mags for 6.5 grendel. Not a single issue with mine and they come in 10 rd, 17 rd and 26 rd capacities.
I used to use my 16" 308 AR-10 for a truck gun and was going to build a 12.5" 308 but then I started to look into the 12.5" 6.5 Gren and it made more since and it's one of my favorite gun's to shoot.
@@JR03321 bolt carrier is a Son's of Liberty Gun Works, bolt is a JP, barre is a Ballistic Advantage, muzzle brake is a Son's of Liberty Gun Works, upper and lower receivers is a ZEV billet set, VLTOR A5 BUFFER SYSTEM and buffer tube, Forward Controls components, BCM free float quad rail handguard, CMC 3.5lb trigger, Radian charging handle, Radian 45° throw selector switch, and a Vortex 1-6 strike eagle. Oh and I use my Silencerco Hybrid suppressor on it. That's been my deer hunting rifle for the last two years.
I try to consolidate calibers as much as possible. CZ making the 527 in 6.5 Grendel makes it a very versatile choice in a state that only allows manual rifles for hunting. 95 gr V-max for varmint and predator and 123 SST for deer. Plus it started my hand loading obsession, so Yay new hobbies
I am wanting to add the CZ to my stable as well. The 100gr Barnes TTSX are my go-to projectile, loaded with either Benchmark, or Leverevolution powder. CCI SRM primers, as my hunting loads are all standardized and developed with magnum primers. Now if I could find nickel plated Grendel brass..
My first AR was a 556 then I built a 308 didn’t like it was too big then I built a 6.5 creedmoor same as the 308 too big. I then built a 6.5 Grendel If I could only have one AR it would be my Grendel
Been a Grendel fan since about 2009. Anyone that’s built one doesn’t have to ask the question posed on this video.. in fact no one would chose an AR10 in 308 either after using a 6.5 grendel. I have a bunch of rifles and by far the most fun to shoot is an AR15 chambered in 6.5 Grendel. I built mine with a 20” lilja barrel (got in on the first AR barrel buy he made in Grendel) with an Alexander Arms side charging upper and matched lower receiver set.
Truly appreciate your time in helping others to make educated decisions on the subject. Former military myself. Hunting since 8 years old. Now 48 and am still shooting and hunting. Great no nonsense approach on the cartridge , and now a subscriber on your website 👍. God bless you and stay safe.
@@czts4778 That was a shilen barrel, and it was an upper from alexander arms, I don't think they offer those anymore I think they use Saturn barrels now. Though I Have heard good things about them. Just so you know I think I just got lucky as hell with that one.
I had an AR-10 I hunted deer with in Michigan. Shoulder replacement had me getting rid of it. Already had a 5.56 however it is not legal to hunt deer with a .22 caliber projectile, the 6.5 Grendel however is legal so now I have one of those as well. Yes, having both IS a good idea, the 5.56 is great for coyotes.
Could have not said it any better I built all my ars from parts kits for custom needs .223/5.56 is set up as a millspec plinker my 6.5 grendle is hunting/ long range and my 7.62x39 is my brush gun
I love the 6.5 G but I'm seriously considering moving away from the AR platform and setup a 6.5 G bolt rifle. The way I usually shoot my Grendel doesn't require semi-auto action. For get up and go with rifle and ammo considering availability the 5.56 is still my go to.
I know this comment is 10mo old but here’s my opinion. Now that the CZ is discontinued for the 6.5 Grendel the best option factory wise is Howa 1500 Mini. I bought a barreled action 20” heavy barrel from Brownells. Married it to a Elf Owl chassis with AR stock adapter and a Magpul PRS lite. It’s a damn good rifle. Light enough but produces .5 MOA at 100 for me. I’m getting about 1” once I get out past 300.
Used a friend's at the range, researched it, built it, LOVE it, sold my 308!!! At my age, and with shoulder problems, I needed less recoil. Grendel is well named! It's a beast!!! Stocked up before Obadin! Due to recent events, I'm carrying more than usual. If certain people get frisky, I'm ready to party. Preferably, they'll leave an old phart ALONE.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork I also meant to add, Duramag makes mags that can interchange! The 28rd 7.62X39mm mag, and 26 rd Grendel and 6.8 SPC can use each others mags! Some friends and I discovered this at the range one day; noticing how these mags have the exact same exterior measurements. So we swapped, loaded, fired and had fun while we tested them. Later, when I couldn't find mags for the first two calibers, I bought some for the 6.8, and, as expected, _they worked great for both my calibers!_ I hope this helps someone with their supply problems.
The Grendel is probably the best all around chambering for the AR 15 platform. The manufacturing support is there, with the right loads, it delivers .357 magnum energy out to about 750-800 yards, has very manageable recoil, and is capable of excellent accuracy.
6 ARC is the best. Does everything the 6.5 does but better. More velocity, ability to use heavy for cal bullets, similar BC's, able to defeat armor with lighter bullets, and better useable grain weight selection imo.
@@Nick-sx6jm Have you hunted with 6 ARC? It will work but real world results are showing that it's not better. That said, I'm going to get a 6 ARC too. It's on my list. Happy shooting.
5.56NATO for me...available ammo at low price. In my geographic are, shots are limited to 300 yards or less, with 100 yard shots most likely. If I lived in a more open geographic area, I would most likely choose the 6.5.
I dont see it as a "Pick one" option. Everyone in the US should own at least one 556 rifle for all the reasons you mentioned. 6.5G would be in addition to the 556.
Same thing holding me back. Taken a lot of hogs and yotes out to 400 with a 223 but if I wanted more power it's probably because I'm hunting bigger game and I have bolt guns for that. Ever since I got into creedmoor I haven't really touched my ar15s. I have 2 ar10s in 6.5cm with thermals for the varmints now so the grendel just doesn't fit in to my needs especially with ammo being so close in price. Maybe a general use truck gun in grendel might be a good idea just to have a little more power than 223. Looked at the arc but seen too many reliability issues
Awesome video!! I am a Grendel fanatic myself!! Truly a joy to shoot and load for!! Can’t leave out my Creedmoor either!! Keep the great content coming especially if it includes the 6.5 gas guns!!
Sold my Grendel gas gun, but picked up a Ruger ranch 6.5G. I like the 10 round mag, use a leupold xv6 1-4x, and an OSS Helix suppressor. For sure one of my favorite to load and shoot. Been quite effective on hogs out to 200 yards, and hope to drop a whitetail with it this coming season.
Great video! Put a lot into prospective. Each caliber now makes more sense when considering purpose based on distance and energy. One thing you got wrong at the end of the video is when you said “choosing”. NO! No choosing! Must have both!
.223/5.56 from 16" barrel has no trouble hitting a full sized silhouette target at 500 yards with iron sights. But gotta love the 3x energy delivery a 123gr 6.5 Grendel bullet can land at that 500 yard distance!!!
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork not a bad overview of a video. I think you definitely acknowledged some aspects a lot people tend to overlook without going overboard into it. I just hope a lot of viewers pick that up in this video. Even though you have rifles like the MK18 and DMR 5.56, you picked out a point that most people will have a particular set up and purpose.
Here is a thought: Have a 5.56 10.5-12.5 inch pistol and keep an 18 inch Grendel for swapping out for long range shots. Nothing wrong with a long pistol barrel. Have this combo for the best of both worlds and various applications
Grendel is a fabulous round for me. Bought a bunch of .264 factory 'junk' rounds to play with. From a 24" Bear Creek, sub MOA with 140+ grain at 250 yards
I have the Grendel with an HBAR "20" barrel. Great rifle but that thing is super heavy, like around 8LB without the scope or ammo and well into the 10lb range with scope, bipod and everything. Anyone thinking about doing a 20 inch hbar better be prepared for a pretty hefty rifle. I was surprised by the weight, but I'm still happy with my choice since I have a fairly lightweight 14.5 middy so this one very specialized for precision work.
Yes, it's a load, but less than an AR-10! Grendel likes a long barrel. I see 20" as the minimum. Which is mine in an HBAR too! That said, the Russian Wolf 100 grain FMJ was designed for a 16" barrel. Save your 120+ grain for the long barrel. Use the 100 for training, and shorter barrels. Just my two cents...
@@actionjksn I built a 16" for a girlfriend, who left me a few months later. I kept the carbine! I feed only the 100 grain wolf in it. Anything else would be a waste. The 20" gets the Hornady 123 grain HP. That's Match grade ammo! It rings the 10" gong at 800 yards every time. Gotta love it!
Grendel is the clear winner, but there's something to be said about ammo compatibility, availability, weight, and size. Outside of hunting 5.56 makes more sense for a shooting intensive mission unless you're a designated marksman and even then you should probably step past the grendel to something a little longer range. There's definitely something special about it though, definitely my favorite round.
It is simply a way to evaluate your shots on target at distance. Hold on the waterline and if your group is low, dial up or vise versa. It helps you determine your exact drop data for each distance. You can then take your findings and tweak your ballistic computer to match.
Well done video my friend. Once again thank you for your time people. And your information of the two calibers at hand. Along with your findings, with what could be their best fields of uses. This debate between these two calibers and their usefulness out within the field has been and in some cases still does raise its ugly head, in which one is as good as the other, that the other is a waste of money, shows no real reason for its use, in which the other would not do or give the person the same results. This discussion has been at times a much useless waste of time. Think you again for a well and informative review of these calibers and their best uses in the field. This give the person a much more positive view of what they can expect when using each calibers and in what type of platform to use them in. And what they can now expect from which ever caliber chosen at the time for that platform of uses. Again thank you gentlemen for a well and informative video. Keep them tight.
I'm a little torn between getting a 12" Grendel or a 12" 6mm arc. Trouble is Grendel is going pretty slow from a 12" bbl, but it keeps that energy well and has better bullet mass for hunting. 6mm arc is even less efficient in a short barrel but has a lot more starting velocity, so a short barrel will still have fantastic velocity, and even 105 gr bullets have excellent BC in 6mm arc. But Grendel has steel ammo.... i love my 18" Grendel but it's effectively a bench gun. After I got a 12" 350 legend I just LOVE that size, so darn handy.
My 12" Grendel is Home defense, hunting and capable of going out to 800 yards. If hunting is more important than long range shooting, go Grendel. If long range is the priority over hunting, then 6mm arc might serve you better. They both can be effective, but are better at different jobs.
Basically 224 flopped. It was launched in the wrong barell twists and was unable to stabilize the 90s. Basically companies rechambered 1:7 223 ar15 barells. It was good with the lighter stuff up to 77s but then it is pointless given a 223 could basically do the same thing. It's since had faster barrels but no one is really interested anymore given the overhyped launch that didn't live up to expectations. Dead caliber for the most part.
@@bmstylee it's not so much a twist rate issue as bad barrels/reamers apparently. Have not seen stabilization issues with the 7 twist ones, unless maybe with the very sleekest 90+grainers like JLK or berger that don't really offer you a whole lot over stuff like the much shorter 90gr SMK, 85.5 HybridTarget, etc
To be more accurate about the whole USMC zero thing: we do sometimes do a 36 m zero, BUT we use the 300 m aiming point in the reticle when doing it (not the center of the reticle). That means it's still a 100 m zero in the end, and we still will usually confirm at 100 and make final adjustments at 100. The 36 m is a means of getting an expedient zero using a well defined aimpoint within the reticle (the 300 m aim point).
I like the 6.5 Grendel and already have a 5.56. I am planning on getting another AR-15. I plan on getting another 5.56 to keep the cost down. I already have a dozen 5.56 mags & ammo.
IMO the 6.5 Grendel is the optimal round for CQB and LR shooting. I built a custom AR with 12.5 5R Faxon Match barrel and BCG, Billet 2A upper and lower, SA adj gas block, Aero precision full floating hand guard, VG6 Epsilon brake, Hiperfire Eclipse trigger, bipod, and Accufire Atro-20 2.5-20x56 FFP scope. Mini red dot for CQC. A 12.5" barrel is still lethal out to 800-1000yds.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Thanks, I appreciate that. Extremely accurate for an Economy build. Sub 1" out to 250yds so far. With quality match ammo. Still does decent with Wolf steel cased 1.5-2.5ish ave with the occasional flyers. Recoil is so light, holding aim is a breeze.
Thanks for your nice info-clip Joel, I have several AR-15's and will stick with them since I am not competing nor use them for hunting and since the ammo for the 6.5 is about 2.22 times higher than the .223 / 5.56 which would take the fun out of plinking for me. Take care and keep enjoying plinking!
Hard to find magazines that will work well with the 6.5. Mine needed work on the ejector. buffer and gas block. I love the cartridge. Also had to polish and work the feed ramp.
6.5 Grendel 🤔 is good but I like the bigger 6.5 creedmore 👍🏽 it took me years I figure out if I wanted the AR-15 rifle or LR-6.5 for big open space In N.M. so I went with LR-6.5 creedmore
6.5 Grendel is my go-to caliber in ARs. Deer, hogs, 2 legged varminting, I love it. Nothing against 5.56, I love it, but I love the terminal performance of the Grendel at all sorts of distances. I skipped .308 because it isn't as good for anything I need. I may get a 6.5 PRC, but the Grendel is my tactical round preference.
We have a solid amount of field data on the 6.5Grendel with wild game. For wild game we pretty much exclusively shoot the factory Hornady 123gr SST and a majority of the time use a 24" barreled set up because thats what the box data is based on as they use a 24" test barrel for that so its a fast conversion in the field when we need to. I have killed 1x Elk with a 18" barreled upper at 200yds (head shot) and 3 Antelope with the same upper within 200yds as well. The 24" barreled upper has killed 7+/- Elk, 3x Ibex, 2x Barbary Sheep, 1x White Tail, 1x Mtn Lion, 1x Javelina from 150yds to 480yds. My 15yr old son shot a Cow Elk at 480yds (one shot kill - neck shot) for the longest stretch out of the 6.5Grendel, one Ibex was at 436yds and a Elk and Ibex again at 400yds. Someone documented a Cow Moose kill in AK with a 6.5Grendel and either a 18" or 20" barreled upper at 100yds as well with a one shot kill. The 6.5Grendel has a payload and ballistics to pretty much handle most Big Game as long as Shot Placement and Appropriate Distances are followed. Its an incredibly great caliber for youth hunters, small framed beginner hunters, females, and others because its low recoiling, affordable to shoot alot and get very solid consistent hits with and build confidence with for the needed shot placements. In several states its not legal to hunt with a 5.56 but it is with a 6.5Grendel - CO for example requires a .240Cal or larger for Big Game Hunting and thus a 6.5Grendel is legal to hunt Big Game with, NM allows any center fired caliber but your limited in distance and size of game potentially with the 5.56 if you did hunt with it where as the 6.5Grendel can reasonably handle any Big Game animal in NM. We have a YT Channel as well for hunting with ARs and a MeWe Group. Follow along or Join in and contribute pics and info if you are a Hunter using the AR platform
"Better" will always depend on what features or characteristics are more important to the individual. I love my 6.5 Grendel, but I also appreciate and use multiple 300 BO and 5.56 uppers depending on my application.
Anthony Dietmeier yep agree. Another one is “whenever.” “Whenever I went to the store the other day...” Should be, when I went to the store. OR I went to the store the other day. 🤦🏻♂️
I used 77 gr in shooting military matches for yrs. great bullet I personal have shot metal out to 953 yds using the 77 gr Sierra bullet Will it hold up to the 6.5 Grendel, absolutely not !! I normally use 123 gr bullet A-max ( which they don’t offer anymore) it runs out of my rifle 2585 fps
I think the shoulder angle would be the same because you're only necking down 7 thou of an inch. I would have it in a bolt gun because here in Australia, gas guns are a hard no for recreational shooters.@@PrecisionRifleNetwork
Frank Galli owns the forum called Sniper’s Hide. It’s a great resource. Check it out. Marc is a friend of his with a certain set of skills... they teach classes together.
My preference between these two is 6.5 Grendel. But I own various rifles in both cartridges along with 6.8 spc, 6mm ARC, .22 Nosler, .224 Valkyrie etc I don’t plan to be limited
Which of all of those do you like best as a do it all cartridge? Personally I think that the 6 ARC is the perfect combo of weight selection, speed, and ballistics. Can shoot light bullets 3200+ for defeating armor, varmints, or just as a mid range flat shooter and heavies for hunting and long range.
It is simply a way to evaluate your shots on target at distance. Hold on the waterline and if your group is low, dial up or vise versa. It helps you determine your exact drop data for each distance. You can then take your findings and tweak your ballistic computer to match.
The better question is: Why not? Have you ever heard of an infantryman saying: "No thank you, that's too much penetration. "? Tbh: I REALLY wish the engineers would solve the magazine capacity issue.
out of really short barrel AR...I forgot to reset the drop chart for this specific AR in this video. Really doesn't change the "long distance" drops between the two calibers. The grendel still wins. Thanks for watching.
Do you think the CMMG 6.5 Grendel complete upper would work on my Daniel Defense DDM4 lower? And do you recommend getting a new BCG? New sub here and thanks for sharing.
Thanks for subscribing. The simple answer is, yes it will “work.” I do recommend getting a new BCG. Doesn’t hurt to have multiples and then you don’t need to worry about swapping the bolt face.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Well Looks like I'm going to pull the trigger and buy myself an upper. I was going to build a 6.5 Creedmoor but I feel this round will be just fine for Deer under 500 yrds and with the money I'll save I can use that for some nice glass.
I really think that comes down to personal preference. For me, I don't like to drop below about 600-700 ft-lb of energy for killing large game like that. With a standard 55gr .223, this means 250-300 yards max. Bullet design matter too. Something that really expands well is going to be better.
6.5 is perfect for us wanting more than 5.56 without moving to an ar10 platform. Problem is.. magazines are unreliable. Ammo is ridiculous and it hasn’t been mass adopted so surplus ammo, more spare parts aren’t plentiful. Hopefully the Serbs adopting it speeds this up cause it is a solid round. Won’t usurp the 5.56 but it’s a viable alternative. Once magpul spits out some reliable magazines and ammo costs fall, that’s all it needs.
Grendel RULES!!! Once you try one, you will want one! This cartridge likes a long barrel! 20" minimum. Especially the heavier 120+ grain bullets. My 20" loves the Hornady 123 HP! This is Match Grade quality ammo! However, the Russian made Wolf 100 grain FMJ is designed for the 16" carbine barrel. It's lethal at 500m! Built one, tried it, love it! You cannot go wrong with an AR in 6.5 Grendel. (It's actually a 6.7mm, .264 caliber. Right in a ballistic sweet spot!)
Im a Vietnam vet anything but a 5.56 ok for video games and city commando. But won't shoot through much. All good small caliber fighting guns started with a 22 Russian
Gravity is not as exactly the same everywhere. But the difference in ballistic coefficient makes this post moot. 6.5 Grendel seems to be more vulnerable to reduced performance out of short barrels than 5.56.
*My mistake - this grendel is in the 300 series from CMMG.
THE CHART - go to the Sniper’s Hide forum and search for Weaponized Math. You’ll find it there.
Never stretched my 5.56 out ver far but I have the grendel and love the results. Working up loads for it now. Can’t wait to really stretch it out past 300 yards
I need help selecting a bullet for my 6.5 Grendel. I live in Ms. I have a AR-15 18inch 6.5 grendel. Only shooting 150/200 yards. Whitetail deer.
Liver Pool honestly I like the hornady black. For the distance and game I like it. It would do good on the smaller frame deer down there. Really wouldn’t need anything bigger. My opinion of course.
I’ve shot my Grendel out to 1100yds several times and all between.
Granted it does take long to hit at
Distance but it gets there and groups are surprising good.
I was comparing it to a 6.5 creedmore
The creed runs 500 to 600 FPS faster than the 6.5 Grendel with a 123 gr AMax
It’s running from my rifle about 2510
I think that the 6.5 Grendel is one of the best all around calibers for an AR15 platform. I wished that it would have caught on much more than it has. Also the more ammo that is produced and sold in any caliber the lower the cost of that ammo.
I agree 110%. I can't believe it has been out so long, and I hadn't found out about it. Perfect for long range target shooting, and can take game with reasonable efficiency.
I think 6 mm ARC might kill the Grendel.
@@otetechie 6 arc only does better for 1000 yards and over shots. It was made for precision shooting. Besides only hornady does 6 arc. We have cheap steel Grendel.
Couldn’t agree more after my first range session I was hooked and I shoot it 3x as much as I do 556 but that’ll change once the wolf goes away thanks to uncle sniffsalot and I don’t think the arc will get as popular bc the ammo jus won’t be able to catch up I mean the grendel is already limited in selection after over a decade and hornady hasn’t totally mastered the cartridge either there’s video after video of the same exact problems as the 224 Valkyrie but what do I know
@@born2beashooterjosh397 Thank you Josh
Videos like this that spill the beans are why I can’t find much 6.5 Grendel ammo anymore! Great video and glad to see the very versatile Grendel is getting some time to shine!
I truly cannot get enough of 6.5 Grendel. Out of both my “competition” rifles. I always crave to shoot the Grendel. Tho im a creedmoor fanatic as well.
LastCaress7 it’s a fun, capable caliber.
Agreed!! I am with you on both. I am a fan of my 6.5’s as well!! I can’t get enough of my Grendel, but will never leave my Creedmoor out either!!
Eh to be fair in 2020 getting enough of any Ammo is damn near impossible.
SgtDvldawg wear a man bun?
Keep going, if you like 6.5 CM, try 264 Win Mag. It's been my goto game rifle for years.
Been hooked on Grendel for a while now. 7 rifles chambered in it and I still cannot get enough.
BTW in the Marines, we use yards not meters
Matteo lol thanks for clearing that up actually. I thought I was right on it, but I’m not a marine so I couldn’t be certain.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork No problem. And thank you for the great content.
I have a 12.5", 16", and 18" 6.5 Grendels. I mainly hunt with the 16" & 18" and my 12.5" is my truck gun.
@@brazzy1467 Nice. I recently picked up a 13" barrel SS barrel. Had it hand lapped and it's currently off to get nitrided.
I love my Sanders armory 6.5 grendel upper. I have taken it out to 1040yds no problem. Soooo smooth!
I love the fact that using Closed Captions, the gun fire registers as “Music and Applause” ❤️
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that’s funny
I have one of each.
16" 556 store bought and 18" 6.5 Frankenstein. Built a 10.5" 556 for home defense
The 556 is par none out to 350 meters. Past that the Grendel is great out to 800. Could go further but I have a limited distance range. Now I could throw the dice and hit the power line cut, but......
Wish you would have used a 20" Grendel barrel, as that's an upgrade I'm looking to possibly make.
To all of you thinking of getting into the 6.5 , be careful of where you get your mags. There are two main makers, one works fine while every mag I got from the other needed to have some work done to it. Rounds kept hitting the front lip when chambering. I found that getting 762X39 mags for an AR work great. Haven't had a round jam on the front lip yet. Grendel uses a necked down 762 case so no problem there. There's also a third option, called a 'multimag'.
As to ammo, yes Virginia, the Grendel costs more to shoot. Pre freak out was @75 cents a round, lucky now if I can find under a dollar rounds. Whereas I can still get 556 for around 50 - 60 cents a round.
Will the Grendel replace the 556 as America's sweetheart? I don't think so. The 556 is the girl next door while the 6.5 is the prep school blonde hottie across the tracks.
762X39 [AR-47} is the tattooed chick from the pool hall, smokin a Camel and drinkin a PBR. She'll give you a ride, but you AIN'T bringin her home to Mom & Dad.
HaHa that was to funny but so true..
Thanks for the mag info
Get the Elander mags in 6.5 Grendel. Israeli made steel mags. By far the best mags for 6.5 grendel. Not a single issue with mine and they come in 10 rd, 17 rd and 26 rd capacities.
300 blk must be the really hot step sister that all your friends check out and give you shit for not tapping 😉👍
556 is NOT for home defense, and ANY rifle caliber out of half a barrel isn't either.
I used to use my 16" 308 AR-10 for a truck gun and was going to build a 12.5" 308 but then I started to look into the 12.5" 6.5 Gren and it made more since and it's one of my favorite gun's to shoot.
I have an ar10 in 12.5" and love it. Can you give me some details on your 6.5 grendel? Thanks
@@JR03321 bolt carrier is a Son's of Liberty Gun Works, bolt is a JP, barre is a Ballistic Advantage, muzzle brake is a Son's of Liberty Gun Works, upper and lower receivers is a ZEV billet set, VLTOR A5 BUFFER SYSTEM and buffer tube, Forward Controls components, BCM free float quad rail handguard, CMC 3.5lb trigger, Radian charging handle, Radian 45° throw selector switch, and a Vortex 1-6 strike eagle. Oh and I use my Silencerco Hybrid suppressor on it. That's been my deer hunting rifle for the last two years.
You're doing life wrong
@@DinoNucci I must be doing something right I'm still vertical.
@@brazzy1467 pretty low bar
I try to consolidate calibers as much as possible. CZ making the 527 in 6.5 Grendel makes it a very versatile choice in a state that only allows manual rifles for hunting. 95 gr V-max for varmint and predator and 123 SST for deer. Plus it started my hand loading obsession, so Yay new hobbies
I bought a CZ 527 in the Grendel after I discovered the caliber from the AR. GREAT round.
I am wanting to add the CZ to my stable as well. The 100gr Barnes TTSX are my go-to projectile, loaded with either Benchmark, or Leverevolution powder. CCI SRM primers, as my hunting loads are all standardized and developed with magnum primers. Now if I could find nickel plated Grendel brass..
Love the CZ pistols...how are the rifles?
I built all of my AR platform rifles and the Grendel is my favorite.
My first AR was a 556 then I built a 308 didn’t like it was too big then I built a 6.5 creedmoor
same as the 308 too big. I then built a 6.5 Grendel If I could only have one AR it would be my Grendel
I want to reload my 30-06 and my grendel using some lapua brass and some noslers.i love my 6.5 that I picked up from BCA, they did not disappoint me
Been a Grendel fan since about 2009. Anyone that’s built one doesn’t have to ask the question posed on this video.. in fact no one would chose an AR10 in 308 either after using a 6.5 grendel. I have a bunch of rifles and by far the most fun to shoot is an AR15 chambered in 6.5 Grendel.
I built mine with a 20” lilja barrel (got in on the first AR barrel buy he made in Grendel) with an Alexander Arms side charging upper and matched lower receiver set.
The 6.5G is awesome i love mine but the 6.8 is even better.
@@jx3s300 only if you shoot to 300yds. Otherwise 6.8 is ghey.
6.5 Grendel is my piggy gun, knocks the shit out them. Love the cheap ammo well I did until the shortage
@Chris Indermuehle yes it is but its over priced right now. Like everything else
Do you think prices will go back down? I just ordered a 6.5
@@titosmiff1058 yes I believe so
Still easier to find when a panic buy begins.
@@titosmiff1058 yes it will go down eventually.
Truly appreciate your time in helping others to make educated decisions on the subject. Former military myself. Hunting since 8 years old. Now 48 and am still shooting and hunting. Great no nonsense approach on the cartridge , and now a subscriber on your website 👍. God bless you and stay safe.
Thanks for watching sir.
I had a 24 inch grendel upper that was shooting sub one inch groups at 300.
Same here. My 24” Grendel upper shoots .5 moa or better using my hand loads.
What brand of barrel did you used?Thanks
@@czts4778 That was a shilen barrel, and it was an upper from alexander arms, I don't think they offer those anymore I think they use Saturn barrels now. Though I Have heard good things about them. Just so you know I think I just got lucky as hell with that one.
It is a Satern cut rifle barrel. Expensive but it shoots. saternbarrels.net
Love the Grendel. Good range out of an AR 15 platform.
I went with 6 ARC. Grendel is great but bullet choices are not great. Past 600 yards and out the 6 ARC takes over.
For hunting in Texas I just don’t end up using the AR10. The Grendel does everything I need it to and is less weight to lug around.
Thanks for watching
My recent acquisition of a howa 6.5 has been my best choice by far
I just got one too. Affordable and great shooter. I love the mini action
I had an AR-10 I hunted deer with in Michigan. Shoulder replacement had me getting rid of it. Already had a 5.56 however it is not legal to hunt deer with a .22 caliber projectile, the 6.5 Grendel however is legal so now I have one of those as well. Yes, having both IS a good idea, the 5.56 is great for coyotes.
Honestly just want one to run like a battle rifle
we were shooting green man targets at ft benning at 300 yards open iron sights with the M16A2
Awesome Video. Straight to the point information, facts and knowledge.
Nicely done realistic video thank you sir
Thanks for watching
Thank you 😊
Could have not said it any better I built all my ars from parts kits for custom needs .223/5.56 is set up as a millspec plinker my 6.5 grendle is hunting/ long range and my 7.62x39 is my brush gun
Cool. Thanks for watching.
I love the 6.5 G but I'm seriously considering moving away from the AR platform and setup a 6.5 G bolt rifle. The way I usually shoot my Grendel doesn't require semi-auto action. For get up and go with rifle and ammo considering availability the 5.56 is still my go to.
Same thought here.. I bought a cz 527 in 6.5 grendel.. super nice gun.. for other stuff I will use the much cheaper 5.56 in my AR's.
I know this comment is 10mo old but here’s my opinion. Now that the CZ is discontinued for the 6.5 Grendel the best option factory wise is Howa 1500 Mini. I bought a barreled action 20” heavy barrel from Brownells. Married it to a Elf Owl chassis with AR stock adapter and a Magpul PRS lite. It’s a damn good rifle. Light enough but produces .5 MOA at 100 for me. I’m getting about 1” once I get out past 300.
Used a friend's at the range, researched it, built it, LOVE it, sold my 308!!! At my age, and with shoulder problems, I needed less recoil.
Grendel is well named! It's a beast!!! Stocked up before Obadin!
Due to recent events, I'm carrying more than usual. If certain people get frisky, I'm ready to party. Preferably, they'll leave an old phart ALONE.
nice. agree it's an excellent cartridge.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork
I also meant to add, Duramag makes mags that can interchange!
The 28rd 7.62X39mm mag, and 26 rd Grendel and 6.8 SPC can use each others mags! Some friends and I discovered this at the range one day; noticing how these mags have the exact same exterior measurements. So we swapped, loaded, fired and had fun while we tested them.
Later, when I couldn't find mags for the first two calibers, I bought some for the 6.8, and, as expected, _they worked great for both my calibers!_ I hope this helps someone with their supply problems.
Followed you over from TFB Joel, I am a Grendel partisan. Add CMMG out oc Boonville, MO and I couldn't help but to show up!
King Baldwin IV Thanks for watching!
The Grendel is probably the best all around chambering for the AR 15 platform. The manufacturing support is there, with the right loads, it delivers .357 magnum energy out to about 750-800 yards, has very manageable recoil, and is capable of excellent accuracy.
6 ARC is the best. Does everything the 6.5 does but better. More velocity, ability to use heavy for cal bullets, similar BC's, able to defeat armor with lighter bullets, and better useable grain weight selection imo.
@@Nick-sx6jm Have you hunted with 6 ARC? It will work but real world results are showing that it's not better. That said, I'm going to get a 6 ARC too. It's on my list. Happy shooting.
5.56NATO for me...available ammo at low price. In my geographic are, shots are limited to 300 yards or less, with 100 yard shots most likely.
If I lived in a more open geographic area, I would most likely choose the 6.5.
Understood. All valid reasons. 👍
Correct
I dont see it as a "Pick one" option. Everyone in the US should own at least one 556 rifle for all the reasons you mentioned. 6.5G would be in addition to the 556.
New Mexico is good Grendel country.
Same thing holding me back. Taken a lot of hogs and yotes out to 400 with a 223 but if I wanted more power it's probably because I'm hunting bigger game and I have bolt guns for that. Ever since I got into creedmoor I haven't really touched my ar15s. I have 2 ar10s in 6.5cm with thermals for the varmints now so the grendel just doesn't fit in to my needs especially with ammo being so close in price. Maybe a general use truck gun in grendel might be a good idea just to have a little more power than 223. Looked at the arc but seen too many reliability issues
shooting steel at less than 100 with each from 16in barrels there is a big difference. my friends goes " what the hell was that?" 123 from mr G. :)
I commonly try and succeed at cold bore shooting my ranges 500m steel ram.
Where can a guy find a dope card like that one? The Grendel is my favorite caliber.
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Love the Holstein graphics!
Great vid indeed. I own both calibers. Both are more than enough. All you would need this side of large game. thanks
“Big fleshy critters like this” 😂 - awesome rifles and thanks for the video!
thanks for watching!
Awesome video!! I am a Grendel fanatic myself!! Truly a joy to shoot and load for!! Can’t leave out my Creedmoor either!! Keep the great content coming especially if it includes the 6.5 gas guns!!
Sold my Grendel gas gun, but picked up a Ruger ranch 6.5G. I like the 10 round mag, use a leupold xv6 1-4x, and an OSS Helix suppressor. For sure one of my favorite to load and shoot. Been quite effective on hogs out to 200 yards, and hope to drop a whitetail with it this coming season.
Great video! Put a lot into prospective. Each caliber now makes more sense when considering purpose based on distance and energy. One thing you got wrong at the end of the video is when you said “choosing”. NO! No choosing! Must have both!
Grendel is my last AR, if I can resist the 300 HAM'r as I have the 300 Blackout already.
Not really...build a Grendel "battle" rifle (mine is an A-2 left handed clone) , and a Grendel long range rifle...
.223/5.56 from 16" barrel has no trouble hitting a full sized silhouette target at 500 yards with iron sights. But gotta love the 3x energy delivery a 123gr 6.5 Grendel bullet can land at that 500 yard distance!!!
agree
The answer in caliber is the the answer to application. Purpose will always determine round.
Lloyd Castleton agree. Thanks for watching.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork not a bad overview of a video. I think you definitely acknowledged some aspects a lot people tend to overlook without going overboard into it. I just hope a lot of viewers pick that up in this video.
Even though you have rifles like the MK18 and DMR 5.56, you picked out a point that most people will have a particular set up and purpose.
Lloyd Castleton Thanks for watching. 👍
Here is a thought: Have a 5.56 10.5-12.5 inch pistol and keep an 18 inch Grendel for swapping out for long range shots. Nothing wrong with a long pistol barrel. Have this combo for the best of both worlds and various applications
100yds maybe 200 is All I expect from any of my AR platform 556 is my favorite of my three. Accurate with no recoil.
Grendel is a fabulous round for me. Bought a bunch of .264 factory 'junk' rounds to play with. From a 24" Bear Creek, sub MOA with 140+ grain at 250 yards
cool.
Great shooting Joel.
Thanks
Love my Custom Grendel Hunter AR15 in a 20" ss barrel. It's so easy to shoot at range and it hits ALOT harder than 5.56 does.
I own one of each! Great guns.
No you don't
I have the Grendel with an HBAR "20" barrel. Great rifle but that thing is super heavy, like around 8LB without the scope or ammo and well into the 10lb range with scope, bipod and everything. Anyone thinking about doing a 20 inch hbar better be prepared for a pretty hefty rifle. I was surprised by the weight, but I'm still happy with my choice since I have a fairly lightweight 14.5 middy so this one very specialized for precision work.
You gotta hit the gym if 8 pounds is super heavy for you.
@@mattllaves I am most likely quite a bit stronger than you are buddy.
Yes, it's a load, but less than an AR-10! Grendel likes a long barrel. I see 20" as the minimum. Which is mine in an HBAR too!
That said, the Russian Wolf 100 grain FMJ was designed for a 16" barrel.
Save your 120+ grain for the long barrel.
Use the 100 for training, and shorter barrels.
Just my two cents...
@@BlitzenSpeaks My short one is 5.56. My 20 is the only Grendel I have.
@@actionjksn
I built a 16" for a girlfriend, who left me a few months later. I kept the carbine! I feed only the 100 grain wolf in it. Anything else would be a waste.
The 20" gets the Hornady 123 grain HP. That's Match grade ammo! It rings the 10" gong at 800 yards every time. Gotta love it!
Have 6.5 grendel already but thinking of changing the barrel to 6mm version to increase range and bc
Curious as to how this is even a question...Ballistically there’s no comparison
Old Gregg depends on your purpose I guess. 🤷🏻♂️
Grendel is the clear winner, but there's something to be said about ammo compatibility, availability, weight, and size. Outside of hunting 5.56 makes more sense for a shooting intensive mission unless you're a designated marksman and even then you should probably step past the grendel to something a little longer range. There's definitely something special about it though, definitely my favorite round.
Thanks Joel
Thank you for the video. Could you please discuss the water line and what it is and how to use it?
It is simply a way to evaluate your shots on target at distance. Hold on the waterline and if your group is low, dial up or vise versa. It helps you determine your exact drop data for each distance. You can then take your findings and tweak your ballistic computer to match.
Okay so split your Target in half with a line put your radical on the line hit high or hit low make adjustments. Cool thank you
erp1776 yep you got it.
Thanks for the comparison
Thanks for watching!
Joel: I think we can all agree this isn't a long range setup.
Me(being a smart ass): I'm not agreeing to that.
Great stuff again.
Wild Bill 😂
Great video much appreciated, been debating on a med range AR platform for coyote and deer hunting!! Thanks to this video....think I just found it!
MTN HUNTER I think you’ll enjoy it. Thanks for watching.
ELD, Fusion, and Custom are all good for deer.
Excellent video.
Thank you.
Well done video my friend. Once again thank you for your time people. And your information of the two calibers at hand. Along with your findings, with what could be their best fields of uses. This debate between these two calibers and their usefulness out within the field has been and in some cases still does raise its ugly head, in which one is as good as the other, that the other is a waste of money, shows no real reason for its use, in which the other would not do or give the person the same results. This discussion has been at times a much useless waste of time. Think you again for a well and informative review of these calibers and their best uses in the field. This give the person a much more positive view of what they can expect when using each calibers and in what type of platform to use them in. And what they can now expect from which ever caliber chosen at the time for that platform of uses. Again thank you gentlemen for a well and informative video. Keep them tight.
I'm a little torn between getting a 12" Grendel or a 12" 6mm arc.
Trouble is Grendel is going pretty slow from a 12" bbl, but it keeps that energy well and has better bullet mass for hunting.
6mm arc is even less efficient in a short barrel but has a lot more starting velocity, so a short barrel will still have fantastic velocity, and even 105 gr bullets have excellent BC in 6mm arc.
But Grendel has steel ammo.... i love my 18" Grendel but it's effectively a bench gun. After I got a 12" 350 legend I just LOVE that size, so darn handy.
Cool. I’d be kinda curious to see if the 6ARC is even getting a complete powder burn out of a short barrel. My guess is, it’s not.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork most cartridges don't.
My 12" Grendel is Home defense, hunting and capable of going out to 800 yards. If hunting is more important than long range shooting, go Grendel. If long range is the priority over hunting, then 6mm arc might serve you better. They both can be effective, but are better at different jobs.
I would love to see 224 valkyrie and 6.5 Grendel..I hope you can make it happen
Basically 224 flopped. It was launched in the wrong barell twists and was unable to stabilize the 90s. Basically companies rechambered 1:7 223 ar15 barells. It was good with the lighter stuff up to 77s but then it is pointless given a 223 could basically do the same thing. It's since had faster barrels but no one is really interested anymore given the overhyped launch that didn't live up to expectations. Dead caliber for the most part.
@@bmstylee correct
@@bmstylee it's not so much a twist rate issue as bad barrels/reamers apparently. Have not seen stabilization issues with the 7 twist ones, unless maybe with the very sleekest 90+grainers like JLK or berger that don't really offer you a whole lot over stuff like the much shorter 90gr SMK, 85.5 HybridTarget, etc
6mm arc!!!
I’m a fan.
Thanks, just found, needed info on the Grendel, needed that long distance gun with out going to the AR10. Also sub’ed, thanks again 👍🏼❤️🇺🇸🤠
Threewolfs 45-70 excellent! Thanks.
Look into the 6mm ARC for AR10 performance in a AR15 platform.
@@CrazyPalidin57 Yep, I will hopefully be getting a review model of the CMMG 6 ARC soon.
Just buy a upper. I bought mine for $300 complete. Probably higher now. And ammo too.
@@phillipperkins4366 yea, found one, upper on Bear Creek for under $200, complete 20” barrel. 👍🏼❤️🇺🇸🤠
Glad i found this channel, subbed.
Awesome, glad to have you!
To be more accurate about the whole USMC zero thing: we do sometimes do a 36 m zero, BUT we use the 300 m aiming point in the reticle when doing it (not the center of the reticle).
That means it's still a 100 m zero in the end, and we still will usually confirm at 100 and make final adjustments at 100. The 36 m is a means of getting an expedient zero using a well defined aimpoint within the reticle (the 300 m aim point).
Thanks for clarifying that. I appreciate it.
I like the 6.5 Grendel and already have a 5.56. I am planning on getting another AR-15. I plan on getting another 5.56 to keep the cost down. I already have a dozen 5.56 mags & ammo.
IMO the 6.5 Grendel is the optimal round for CQB and LR shooting. I built a custom AR with 12.5 5R Faxon Match barrel and BCG, Billet 2A upper and lower, SA adj gas block, Aero precision full floating hand guard, VG6 Epsilon brake, Hiperfire Eclipse trigger, bipod, and Accufire Atro-20 2.5-20x56 FFP scope. Mini red dot for CQC. A 12.5" barrel is still lethal out to 800-1000yds.
Sounds pretty good to me. 👍
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork
Thanks, I appreciate that. Extremely accurate for an Economy build. Sub 1" out to 250yds so far. With quality match ammo. Still does decent with Wolf steel cased 1.5-2.5ish ave with the occasional flyers. Recoil is so light, holding aim is a breeze.
Thanks for your nice info-clip Joel, I have several AR-15's and will stick with them since I am not
competing nor use them for hunting and since the ammo for the 6.5 is about 2.22 times higher
than the .223 / 5.56 which would take the fun out of plinking for me.
Take care and keep enjoying plinking!
thanks for watching!
Anytime, keep up the good work
and please look up the "porch".
10-4!
A Sanders Armory Grendel upper is the best investment a 5.56 owner can make to get into the Grendel game without breaking the bank.
I sure like the paint job on the 5.56 rifle.
Hard to find magazines that will work well with the 6.5. Mine needed work on the ejector. buffer and gas block. I love the cartridge. Also had to polish and work the feed ramp.
Not hard to find at all use the internet
I love mine! Yote tipp'n machine!
Yep I’m a grendel fan for sure.
6.5 Grendel 🤔 is good but I like the bigger 6.5 creedmore 👍🏽 it took me years I figure out if I wanted the
AR-15 rifle or LR-6.5 for big open space
In N.M. so I went with LR-6.5 creedmore
6.5 Grendel is my go-to caliber in ARs. Deer, hogs, 2 legged varminting, I love it.
Nothing against 5.56, I love it, but I love the terminal performance of the Grendel at all sorts of distances.
I skipped .308 because it isn't as good for anything I need.
I may get a 6.5 PRC, but the Grendel is my tactical round preference.
So you've got a kangaroo infestation on your homestead? Lol
@@jeredalmeida1880 doggone wallabies.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409🤣Just another day in The Outback, mate.
We have a solid amount of field data on the 6.5Grendel with wild game. For wild game we pretty much exclusively shoot the factory Hornady 123gr SST and a majority of the time use a 24" barreled set up because thats what the box data is based on as they use a 24" test barrel for that so its a fast conversion in the field when we need to. I have killed 1x Elk with a 18" barreled upper at 200yds (head shot) and 3 Antelope with the same upper within 200yds as well. The 24" barreled upper has killed 7+/- Elk, 3x Ibex, 2x Barbary Sheep, 1x White Tail, 1x Mtn Lion, 1x Javelina from 150yds to 480yds. My 15yr old son shot a Cow Elk at 480yds (one shot kill - neck shot) for the longest stretch out of the 6.5Grendel, one Ibex was at 436yds and a Elk and Ibex again at 400yds. Someone documented a Cow Moose kill in AK with a 6.5Grendel and either a 18" or 20" barreled upper at 100yds as well with a one shot kill. The 6.5Grendel has a payload and ballistics to pretty much handle most Big Game as long as Shot Placement and Appropriate Distances are followed.
Its an incredibly great caliber for youth hunters, small framed beginner hunters, females, and others because its low recoiling, affordable to shoot alot and get very solid consistent hits with and build confidence with for the needed shot placements. In several states its not legal to hunt with a 5.56 but it is with a 6.5Grendel - CO for example requires a .240Cal or larger for Big Game Hunting and thus a 6.5Grendel is legal to hunt Big Game with, NM allows any center fired caliber but your limited in distance and size of game potentially with the 5.56 if you did hunt with it where as the 6.5Grendel can reasonably handle any Big Game animal in NM.
We have a YT Channel as well for hunting with ARs and a MeWe Group. Follow along or Join in and contribute pics and info if you are a Hunter using the AR platform
Thanks for watching.
"Better" will always depend on what features or characteristics are more important to the individual. I love my 6.5 Grendel, but I also appreciate and use multiple 300 BO and 5.56 uppers depending on my application.
I agree. Thanks for watching.
10 points for not ruining the pronunciation of the word ambidextrous.
Anthony Dietmeier 😂 pet peeve of mine.
Ambidextreeeus 🤦🏻♂️
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork it's like nails on a chalkboard. Estetics in place of aesthetics is getting old fast as well.
Anthony Dietmeier yep agree.
Another one is “whenever.”
“Whenever I went to the store the other day...”
Should be, when I went to the store. OR
I went to the store the other day.
🤦🏻♂️
@@dahut3614 what THEE hell are you talking about? ;)
Length of bullet, Googled it. I thought they might be interchangeable. I think ill stick with my AR-15 in 5.56/.223 @ least for now. Gr8 vid. TY 😉
6.5 is awesome got a hold of a Alexandra arms 11 1/2 inch barrel and I’ve been having a blast
excellent choice
Since you asked 6.5 Grendel by far
6.5 Grendel is by far much better
Longer range, hits harder and stays supersonic out to 1000 yds
@Frank The Tank True. But it hits like a BB at that range.
I used 77 gr in shooting military matches for yrs. great bullet
I personal have shot metal out to 953 yds using the 77 gr Sierra bullet
Will it hold up to the 6.5 Grendel, absolutely not !! I normally use 123 gr bullet A-max ( which they don’t offer anymore) it runs out of my rifle 2585 fps
@Frank The Tank I was being a little sarcastic with the BB comment. But yeah, its not really designed for long range like the grendel.
What are your thoughts on a 25 Grendel mate?
I like the sounds of that. Would it be in a gas gun like an AR 15?
Would the rounds feed well with the steeper angle of the shoulder on the brass?
I think the shoulder angle would be the same because you're only necking down 7 thou of an inch. I would have it in a bolt gun because here in Australia, gas guns are a hard no for recreational shooters.@@PrecisionRifleNetwork
4:00 ... who are frank and marc ? link ?
Frank Galli owns the forum called Sniper’s Hide. It’s a great resource. Check it out.
Marc is a friend of his with a certain set of skills... they teach classes together.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork thanks
My preference between these two is 6.5 Grendel. But I own various rifles in both cartridges along with 6.8 spc, 6mm ARC, .22 Nosler, .224 Valkyrie etc I don’t plan to be limited
Which of all of those do you like best as a do it all cartridge? Personally I think that the 6 ARC is the perfect combo of weight selection, speed, and ballistics. Can shoot light bullets 3200+ for defeating armor, varmints, or just as a mid range flat shooter and heavies for hunting and long range.
@@Nick-sx6jm the 6mm ARC is truly the elite all rounder. I don’t have as much experience with it as I have with the others but it is promising.
6.5 Grendel of course
What is the water line please explain? Thank you
It is simply a way to evaluate your shots on target at distance. Hold on the waterline and if your group is low, dial up or vise versa. It helps you determine your exact drop data for each distance. You can then take your findings and tweak your ballistic computer to match.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Thank you very much for the quick reply, I appreciate it!
Tyler Musselman you’re welcome.
The better question is: Why not? Have you ever heard of an infantryman saying: "No thank you, that's too much penetration. "? Tbh: I REALLY wish the engineers would solve the magazine capacity issue.
*In COOPER COUNTY, MISSOURI deer have been taken with 6.5 grendel...at 250 yards in Big Muddy.*
It's a capable round for sure.
What kind of 556 ammo are you shooting that only gets you 2650fps??
out of really short barrel AR...I forgot to reset the drop chart for this specific AR in this video. Really doesn't change the "long distance" drops between the two calibers. The grendel still wins. Thanks for watching.
I prefer bigger bullets and bullet weights so the 6.5 grendel is what I chose. I have a 5.56 rifle but I rarely shoot it.
Do you think the CMMG 6.5 Grendel complete upper would work on my Daniel Defense DDM4 lower? And do you recommend getting a new BCG? New sub here and thanks for sharing.
Thanks for subscribing. The simple answer is, yes it will “work.” I do recommend getting a new BCG. Doesn’t hurt to have multiples and then you don’t need to worry about swapping the bolt face.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Well Looks like I'm going to pull the trigger and buy myself an upper. I was going to build a 6.5 Creedmoor but I feel this round will be just fine for Deer under 500 yrds and with the money I'll save I can use that for some nice glass.
@@russdennis7026 👍 I personally think that’s a good choice.
How close would you have to be for a deer with 223?
I really think that comes down to personal preference. For me, I don't like to drop below about 600-700 ft-lb of energy for killing large game like that. With a standard 55gr .223, this means 250-300 yards max. Bullet design matter too. Something that really expands well is going to be better.
Where do I find that dope diagram
6.5 is perfect for us wanting more than 5.56 without moving to an ar10 platform.
Problem is.. magazines are unreliable. Ammo is ridiculous and it hasn’t been mass adopted so surplus ammo, more spare parts aren’t plentiful. Hopefully the Serbs adopting it speeds this up cause it is a solid round.
Won’t usurp the 5.56 but it’s a viable alternative. Once magpul spits out some reliable magazines and ammo costs fall, that’s all it needs.
agree. thanks for watching.
Great video what do you think about the 7.62x39 AR platform
I'm sure it's fine. I've just never owned one personally so I can't really say.
Grendel RULES!!!
Once you try one, you will want one!
This cartridge likes a long barrel! 20" minimum. Especially the heavier 120+ grain bullets. My 20" loves the Hornady 123 HP! This is Match Grade quality ammo!
However, the Russian made Wolf 100 grain FMJ is designed for the 16" carbine barrel. It's lethal at 500m! Built one, tried it, love it!
You cannot go wrong with an AR in 6.5 Grendel. (It's actually a 6.7mm, .264 caliber. Right in a ballistic sweet spot!)
Agree. Thanks.
Where do you access the dope chart he talks about
Im a Vietnam vet anything but a 5.56 ok for video games and city commando. But won't shoot through much. All good small caliber fighting guns started with a 22 Russian
what scop are you running on your 6.5?
Nightforce SHV 4.5-14x50 MOA
Gravity is not as exactly the same everywhere. But the difference in ballistic coefficient makes this post moot. 6.5 Grendel seems to be more vulnerable to reduced performance out of short barrels than 5.56.
Good point on the short barrels. Thanks for watching.
Your range card did not include bullet weight. What bullet eights were used to create the data?
Can you link Frank and Marcs system?
Element_punk check the pinned comment.