I can confirm the Zwift Cog works seamlessly with existing Kickr Core trainers. Just remove the cog from the freehub which it came with, stick the cog onto the already fitted freehub on the trainer and off you go.
I would still go for the zwift hub one. The wahoo kickr core is just a fail constructed faulty product. There are since 6 years the same issues which didnt get fixed yet. I got a new one a few days before and i had the same problems as u can read always. Even the test samples from dc rainmaker and desfit sounded not correct.
I have an existing Wahoo Kickr Core, and while the one cog is an excellent concept, for me it needs to become an open standard that other training apps can support, otherwise you are committing to the Zwift ecosystem and my personal preference is to have choice and I am currently using Rouvy this year for my winter training.
I could be wrong, BUT .... the way to go might be to buy the Play Controllers. That way you can use virtual gearing, keeping your cassette. Then when you use Rouvy, switch to mechanical gearing. It means you don't have virtual gearing with Rouvy, but at least you can continue to use it. With the Zwift Cog, of course, this isn't possible.
That would be the way to go. The only advantage of having the cog is simplicity switching bikes that have different gear ratios. But if you only have one bike, then the cog is just a 14t sprocket ⚙️
So I watched many of the videos, read a bunch of comments, asked a bunch of questions and did some research, and it turns out that despite what it says on Zwift's product page, you actually CAN install a Zwift Cog on a Wahoo Core, by removing the Cog from the Zwift-specific freehub that comes with the kit, and the existing cassette from your Core, and installing the Cog in its place, as both the Cog and Core's freehub are Shimano splined (no luck with Campy freehubs but I assume that everyone already knew that although I'm guessing that it's possible to replace the Core's freehub with a Campy splined one). The real question is whether you should or need to do this. If you're a multi-bike household with bikes of differing cassette cogs, it might make sense, especially since you also get the Click controller that allows you to virtually change gears. But if you only have one bike, or all your bikes use the same size number of cogs, then you don't really need or benefit from the Cog, other than that it saves wear on your cassette's middle cog (but even then you could always use an older cassette or replace the one cog when it wears out), and you might as well spend another $19 and get the much more capable Play controllers. In fact even if you have multiple bikes and they use different cassette sizes, you can still do virtual shifting on one cassette by shifting the rear derailleur to the centermost cog and making trimming it a bit to avoid chain rub, so long as the chain and cassette are compatible and don't cause rubbing. I suppose that using an 8-11 speed chain on a 12 speed cassette and the like might cause some rubbing. But if you can make this work then it might make sense, and you're better off getting the Play controllers instead. This is probably what I'm going to do. I have just one bike so I don't really need the Cog, just the Click that comes with it. But for just $19 more I can get the much more capable Play controllers and do without the Cog. I have several old cassettes that are no longer really rideable, but only on their bigger cogs, which I tend to use more often and thus wore out faster, while the centermost cogs are still useable. I still find $99 to be a bit steep for my tastes, but it's supposed to go up to $149 soon so I guess it's a "bargain". I do hope that Zwift opens up the controller Bluetooth protocol and virtual shifting so 3rd parties can come out with their own controllers and other virtual cycling platforms can enable virtual shifting as well, and that the industry settles on some standards on these and related technologies so you're not locked in to any one company's trainers, accessories and platforms. But that's a whole other thing.
I'd be tempted to run an old set of cranks with say a 42T chainring and an old cassette then put in a single speed chain tensioner in place of the derailleur... save your drivetrain for the roads if it's your only bike....
Hopefully they also port compatibility over to the Kickr v4/5/6 with a compatibility kit and firmware update. Would breed some new life into older Kickrs.
The companion app is used to update firmware for the zwift hub. For the Core, you will be using the Wahoo app for firmware updates. Zwift app handles virtual shifting.
If you already have a standard Kickr Core with the Zwift Play, you can already use virtual shifting so there is no need to purchase the Zwift Cog & Click kit which is noisier than you regular cassette.
I use a waxed chain and add drip on wax eveery other ride which keeps my chain very quiet, as soon as this is available for my Wahoo Move I'll convert to virtual shifting
That was in the pipeline, well I guess the Zwift Hub still has the automatic calibration advantage ;-) I'm not sure why reviewers don't point out the racket made by the plastic "sides" of the cog! I replaced it by an old cassette and it's a LOT quieter! And you don't have to use the Click if you don't want to.
I have recently installed the Zwift cog onto my Kickr Core without any problem, however does anyone know how to do the Wahoo spin down with the cog installed? I tried it the other day, however because you can't change gears, it's difficult to slowly get the speed up to 20mph.
Please help: 1)The hub one is rated for between 19°F and 77°F. Is this comparable with all trainers? 2) while using hub one, and the click, erroneous speed values are reported to my Garmin head unit of over 100 miles an hour. does the kicker core one have this problem as well?
Maybe I missed this, but I think at one point in the last weeks it was said that the Zwift Hub would still work with TrainerRoad in ERG Mode. This should be the same with Kickr Core Zwift One, right? Maybe someone can comment on this
Yes it should work fine in Erg mode with any other app. The only issue is when using it in sim mode, you won’t have the ability to switch gears since you only have one cog.
It's on the Zwift site since it's a Zwift product, and the Cog part can be installed on a Core's freehub if you remove it from the Zwift freehub that it comes installed onto. What we're still waiting on is a version of the kit that can be installed on a Core without removing the Cog from its freehub. But I don't know why you'd really need a new freehub and why they don't just sell the Cog in an upgrade kit without an included freehub, for less than the current kit.
Per the DC Rainmaker article: - what about other KICKR trainers? Wahoo/Zwift say that very shortly you’ll see firmware updates for the KICKR V6 (2022), and KICKR MOVE (2023) trainers released. Additionally, Wahoo is also working on the KICKR V4 (2018), KICKR V5 (2020) firmware, but that won’t quite be as quick. Again, this is all just using Zwift Play or Click, with your existing cassette and new firmware.
I see you have "video screenshots" enabled.... if you are using a decent PC for superior graphics this will hammer your frame rate and should be disabled...if you use a laptop or ATV it won't matter you'll be used to garbage graphics/basic profile/powerpoint like fps lol
This shows that wahoo is a lot weaker than zwift. Technically dancinh the way zwift wants. The court issues they had didn't turn out as wahoo wanted.. is dislike zwift. Altoo gamish for me. I like rouvy more than all. Stabil and relible. They can improve a lot more on workouts and how it works
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I can confirm the Zwift Cog works seamlessly with existing Kickr Core trainers. Just remove the cog from the freehub which it came with, stick the cog onto the already fitted freehub on the trainer and off you go.
yes, I have a core and would upgrade with conversion kit when available.
You can get Cog upgrade kit. Just switch the supplied freehub that comes with Cog with the one you have on CORE, and done :)
Another very helpful video T!
I would still go for the zwift hub one. The wahoo kickr core is just a fail constructed faulty product. There are since 6 years the same issues which didnt get fixed yet. I got a new one a few days before and i had the same problems as u can read always. Even the test samples from dc rainmaker and desfit sounded not correct.
Clearly we now know for sure who both Zwift and Wahoo’s valentine are this February. 💌
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I have an existing Wahoo Kickr Core, and while the one cog is an excellent concept, for me it needs to become an open standard that other training apps can support, otherwise you are committing to the Zwift ecosystem and my personal preference is to have choice and I am currently using Rouvy this year for my winter training.
Indievelo have virtual shifting, with any bike, and its FREE!
I could be wrong, BUT .... the way to go might be to buy the Play Controllers. That way you can use virtual gearing, keeping your cassette. Then when you use Rouvy, switch to mechanical gearing. It means you don't have virtual gearing with Rouvy, but at least you can continue to use it. With the Zwift Cog, of course, this isn't possible.
That would be the way to go. The only advantage of having the cog is simplicity switching bikes that have different gear ratios. But if you only have one bike, then the cog is just a 14t sprocket ⚙️
Correct. Only issue, indieVelo only works with a keyboard.
@@SmartBikeTrainers It's $5 dollars a mini Bluetooth keyboard to fix in the handbar and the solution is mutch cheaper then Swift, right? 😉👍👍
So I watched many of the videos, read a bunch of comments, asked a bunch of questions and did some research, and it turns out that despite what it says on Zwift's product page, you actually CAN install a Zwift Cog on a Wahoo Core, by removing the Cog from the Zwift-specific freehub that comes with the kit, and the existing cassette from your Core, and installing the Cog in its place, as both the Cog and Core's freehub are Shimano splined (no luck with Campy freehubs but I assume that everyone already knew that although I'm guessing that it's possible to replace the Core's freehub with a Campy splined one).
The real question is whether you should or need to do this. If you're a multi-bike household with bikes of differing cassette cogs, it might make sense, especially since you also get the Click controller that allows you to virtually change gears. But if you only have one bike, or all your bikes use the same size number of cogs, then you don't really need or benefit from the Cog, other than that it saves wear on your cassette's middle cog (but even then you could always use an older cassette or replace the one cog when it wears out), and you might as well spend another $19 and get the much more capable Play controllers.
In fact even if you have multiple bikes and they use different cassette sizes, you can still do virtual shifting on one cassette by shifting the rear derailleur to the centermost cog and making trimming it a bit to avoid chain rub, so long as the chain and cassette are compatible and don't cause rubbing. I suppose that using an 8-11 speed chain on a 12 speed cassette and the like might cause some rubbing. But if you can make this work then it might make sense, and you're better off getting the Play controllers instead.
This is probably what I'm going to do. I have just one bike so I don't really need the Cog, just the Click that comes with it. But for just $19 more I can get the much more capable Play controllers and do without the Cog. I have several old cassettes that are no longer really rideable, but only on their bigger cogs, which I tend to use more often and thus wore out faster, while the centermost cogs are still useable. I still find $99 to be a bit steep for my tastes, but it's supposed to go up to $149 soon so I guess it's a "bargain".
I do hope that Zwift opens up the controller Bluetooth protocol and virtual shifting so 3rd parties can come out with their own controllers and other virtual cycling platforms can enable virtual shifting as well, and that the industry settles on some standards on these and related technologies so you're not locked in to any one company's trainers, accessories and platforms. But that's a whole other thing.
I'd be tempted to run an old set of cranks with say a 42T chainring and an old cassette then put in a single speed chain tensioner in place of the derailleur... save your drivetrain for the roads if it's your only bike....
Hopefully they also port compatibility over to the Kickr v4/5/6 with a compatibility kit and firmware update. Would breed some new life into older Kickrs.
That would be nice 🙏🏼
DC Rainmaker has confirmed on his video a firmware upgrade will happen very soon
Indievelo have virtual shifting, with ANY bike, and its FREE!
Every time you say TT ( titty ) someone next to me who’s not a cyclist starts laughing 😂
In my experience you don't need to pair the click thru the zwift companion app . The companion app is just for firmware updates .
The companion app is used to update firmware for the zwift hub. For the Core, you will be using the Wahoo app for firmware updates. Zwift app handles virtual shifting.
So is wahoo buy zwift or zwift buying wahoo? Will zwift replace RGT or will training/workout from wahoo be integrated into zwift?
If you already have a standard Kickr Core with the Zwift Play, you can already use virtual shifting so there is no need to purchase the Zwift Cog & Click kit which is noisier than you regular cassette.
hi, how does it work? i have both core and zwift play
I still sometimes use other apps, but am very tempted to buy the clicks and use it with my regular cassette. Does that make any sense?
That should work just fine 👍
Let`s hope they don`t dump the Zwift Hub.
They did, but will continue to support it for a while.
I use a waxed chain and add drip on wax eveery other ride which keeps my chain very quiet, as soon as this is available for my Wahoo Move I'll convert to virtual shifting
Any idea if these upgrades will be available for the JetBlack Volt 2 trainer....its basically identical to the Zwift Hub trainer? Thanks
Virtual shifting uses specific Bluetooth protocols JetBlack isn’t compatible with. Zwift will need to open those protocols for JetBlack.
On which front gear would you ride? Smallest, biggest?
Zwift recommends to use the small front gear when using the cog for best power accuracy.
That was in the pipeline, well I guess the Zwift Hub still has the automatic calibration advantage ;-)
I'm not sure why reviewers don't point out the racket made by the plastic "sides" of the cog! I replaced it by an old cassette and it's a LOT quieter! And you don't have to use the Click if you don't want to.
I hear ya mine is loud no matter what .. new chain indexed but still loud . Just run it till the gears fall off I guess lol ...
@@ChristophVonBagel yeah that thing is really a coarse design, cheap plastic on the sides and a wide 14 sprocket.
@@ChristophVonBagel yeah that thing is really a coarse design, cheap plastic on the sides and a wide 14 sprocket.
Technically there is automatic calibration in the latest firmware but I find that I had to calibrate mine anyway and it was good from there on.
I have recently installed the Zwift cog onto my Kickr Core without any problem, however does anyone know how to do the Wahoo spin down with the cog installed? I tried it the other day, however because you can't change gears, it's difficult to slowly get the speed up to 20mph.
Ah come on. my Zwift Hub with Cog arrived today..... I hope the trainer will get still updates....
Should i send mine back ?
@@Heirushi The Zwift Hub one will still get updates .. no worries .
Please help:
1)The hub one is rated for between 19°F and 77°F. Is this comparable with all trainers?
2) while using hub one, and the click, erroneous speed values are reported to my Garmin head unit of over 100 miles an hour.
does the kicker core one have this problem as well?
One Cog to rule them all
I shall call it “My Precious” 😂
can you replace the cog for a cassette down the line?
Yes you can
A bike with 2×7 gears fits the Wahoo Kickr Core One
Maybe I missed this, but I think at one point in the last weeks it was said that the Zwift Hub would still work with TrainerRoad in ERG Mode. This should be the same with Kickr Core Zwift One, right?
Maybe someone can comment on this
Yes it should work fine in Erg mode with any other app. The only issue is when using it in sim mode, you won’t have the ability to switch gears since you only have one cog.
Where do you buy the Zwift One Cog upgrade kit for existing Wahoo kickers? It’s not on Wahoo site
It doesn’t exist right now. Wahoo is saying upgrade kits should be available in the Spring.
Cheers, thanks. @@SmartBikeTrainers
I purchased a Cog from The Zwift site on Wednesday, it arrived this afternoon and is now on the wife’s Kickr Core.
It's on the Zwift site since it's a Zwift product, and the Cog part can be installed on a Core's freehub if you remove it from the Zwift freehub that it comes installed onto. What we're still waiting on is a version of the kit that can be installed on a Core without removing the Cog from its freehub. But I don't know why you'd really need a new freehub and why they don't just sell the Cog in an upgrade kit without an included freehub, for less than the current kit.
So the wahoo kickr core is essentially a wahoo kickr core zwift one if i buy the one cog / virtual shifting upgrade kit?
Yes… Or you can only buy the controller and get virtual shifting without having to get the Cog component.
@@SmartBikeTrainers so why would someone buy the new $600 version if the prior version is $500 + $70 upgrade?
@@davidlimentani1830the new one includes a year of Zwift, which saves you 50 bucks.
i think this power responsive is not for kickr core seems like kickr ??
And what about the V5/6???
Only the KICKR CORE is compatible with virtual shifting for now.
Per the DC Rainmaker article:
- what about other KICKR trainers? Wahoo/Zwift say that very shortly you’ll see firmware updates for the KICKR V6 (2022), and KICKR MOVE (2023) trainers released. Additionally, Wahoo is also working on the KICKR V4 (2018), KICKR V5 (2020) firmware, but that won’t quite be as quick. Again, this is all just using Zwift Play or Click, with your existing cassette and new firmware.
If you are not a multi bike house. It’s not worth it. Having to run zwift app is a deal breaker!!
Elite Direto XR. What are the chances
I see you have "video screenshots" enabled.... if you are using a decent PC for superior graphics this will hammer your frame rate and should be disabled...if you use a laptop or ATV it won't matter you'll be used to garbage graphics/basic profile/powerpoint like fps lol
I will need to check on what fps I’m getting these days. Generally should over 100. Haven’t seen much of an impact on fps that’s noticeable.
This shows that wahoo is a lot weaker than zwift. Technically dancinh the way zwift wants. The court issues they had didn't turn out as wahoo wanted.. is dislike zwift. Altoo gamish for me. I like rouvy more than all. Stabil and relible. They can improve a lot more on workouts and how it works