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*sigh* No offense dude, but this kind of stuff is getting kind of ridiculous and even stupid for you to whine about so much. And sorry if the comment is really long, I'm just trying to explain a bit. I just think it's so stupid that so many people have the stupid desire to deconstruct seemingly every cool aspect of history and take the wonder out of all of it. And to be blunt, that sort of stuff comes off as those people being jealous nerds who are jealous of a jock or jocks and then later try to rewrite history or whatever to make the parts they like look better than the ones they don't. I know you're channel is more focused on Japanese history and all, but I'm sure you've heard about the Spartans of ancient Greece and how they were supposed to have been pretty badass warriors and all. I'll just say this. Historians have debated how much of the tales of the Spartans were true or not, but in recent years, a number of fools who call themselves historians have been pretty trying to say that Spartans weren't even special in anyway at all, that they were just another city state that was no different than many others. Yeah, I know they weren't some kind of ancient Captain America super soldiers who could each beat up 10 regular men, but I do also know the great difference actual training and such will make when it comes to how effective they are in battle. Because the majority of the armies back in those times were militias, as in not full time soldiers. And I can understand how the Spartans have a bunch of highly trained soldiers could give rise to the idea of them being some sort of super soldiers and such when almost everyone else was still using mostly militia armies. But you get the point.
I really wish you covered two other things about Eshin: - Lord Sneek has his glands removed to not give off his emotions, he uses this to great effect during Council of Thirteen meetings. - Eshin is also often employed by other clans for not only assasinations, but also infiltration and sabotage, one of the most known things they do is drilling holes into ships, stealing or altering intel, poisoning garrisons via water supplies and sabotaging weaponry I feel like these would add a lot more to the argument
@@blaster23456 You're probably thinking of Chameleon Skinks. Oxyotl is a Chameleon Skink special character that could possibly be able to go up against Deathmaster Snikch if the writers expanded on his lore as much as him.
I was a bit dissapointed spy-rats (normal-size rats) were not even mentioned since they feel like something ninja would be inclined to do if they could.
@@shonklebonkle324 This is actually mentioned in a Gotrek and Felix book, basically the Skaven can't communicate with normal rats and find the idea ridiculous. However, they have used the idea to make the people they work with paranoid as for some reason they think that they can communicate with normal rats so they focus on them rather than looking for clan Eshin spies.
Queek is dangerous because he's the bravest/craziest Skaven. Skrolk is dangerous because he's the most diseased Skaven. Tretch is dangerous because he's the most paranoid and lucky Skaven. Ikit Claw is dangerous because he's the best enigneer of the Skaven. Throt the Unclean is dangerous because he's the best biologist of the Skaven. Snikch is dangerous because he somehow taught himself to control how Skaven-like his mind is at any given moment. And that makes him terrifyingly efficient. Does he still have all the same impulses and thoughts as your average Skaven that normally cause them to sabotage themselves and others? Oh yes, of course. But when those thoughts and impulses would get in the way of the mission, he's the only Skaven I've ever read about who can just IGNORE them until the job is done.
@@markguyton2868fighing is also a area where this is good. But it requires training to allow your body to move on its own like that. Ultra instinct is a real thing although it's not as cool as shown in super but it does exist.
@@markguyton2868 Yet another ninja skill: _mushin._ As explained elsewhere on _Which Ninja_ the _go-dan_ test in the Bujinkan is the Test of Ill Intent where the examined must get into position and dissociate their minds while the examiner is prepared to strike with a blunt weapon. To pass the test, the examined must dodge the strike as it happens.
Deathmaster being the only Skaven we know of that is capable of self-reflection and deeper psyche would definitely mean his role and accomplishments are well earned.
There is one other Skaven that has achieved this power, Sleek Sharpwit, better known as 'Old-thing' from the Queek book, who got his self-reflection and wisdom from managing to live for over 80 years instead of the typical skaven 13.
@@semi-useful5178which we've never confirmed if it's his own madness or if it's actually the Old Rat speaking to him. I like the believe the latter. It puts a smile on my face that, in the end, the Old Rat was just like "You got me fair and square" and decided to keep giving him info so he could stay alive long enough to be as old and wise as him.
There’s some meat to the idea of them being perversions of ninja. Skaven who somehow managed to take the lessons of ninjutsu for themselves, then applied them in the most Skaven way possible. They tore out anything that was good or compassionate or thoughtful and formed a deadly, monstrous, mocking parody which could create only bloodshed and strife. Really, there’s no other way Skaven would’ve done it.
Funnily enough, only Grandmaster Sneek and Deathmaster Snikch seem to be the only ones to actually _have_ proper Shinobi Training. What the Rest of Clan Eshin has looks to be a crude replication from a bunch of Gutter Runners who observed what Sneek and Snikch were doing and tried to do what they were doing by themselves without proper understanding of the actual teachings. In my eyes, only Sneek and Snikch have proper training. The rest of Clan Eshin? Copycats who just blindly replicated everything they observed of Sneek and Snikch, and stuck to the crude replications.
You know, I actually kind of think that if GW had been smart enough to flesh out factions like Nippon and others, they should've played up that aspect of skaven. Not that they should retcon Clan Eshin into sucking at what they do, but just that they, being skaven, don't quite pull it off well as the originals, as in, the ninja/shinobi of Nippon. I mean, I'd be 100% ok with full fledged Clan Eshin assassins and Deathmaster Snikch being good at what they do, but I think that the lore writers could've played around with the idea that why there's no real skaven presence in Nippon and why no invaders have been able to really invade Nippon is in part because of the efficiency of the native ninja/shinobi. I just like the idea that while the full fledged assassins of Clan Eshin are effective, the ninja of Nippon could be a bit more effective and efficient in how they do things, in a "the original is always the best" sort of way.
@@chubbyninja89 To be honest, I am just puzzled as to why Skaven are _ALL_ Chaotic evil, considering that actual rats are rather social creatures that have an almost militant way of life. I mean, a group of Rats are known as a "Troop", and when it comes down to it, rats have been known to have members check to see if food left out has been poisoned. If it is (with the scout obviously dying) the rest of the Troop mark the poisoned food to ensure that other rats don't get poisoned. Why Games Workshop insist on "Chaotic Evil Rats", I do not know, moreso with how they have pointed out that there are so many minor clans that have been undocumented, yet we don't see any subtle changes between any clans. It actually seems to tell us that for a bunch of chaotic evil ratkins, they seem to be even more stagnant than Mankind and the Elves, which is kind of funny as they are _Chaotic_ by nature, meaning they should be constantly adapting to new data, yet they always fall back on the same old "Stabby-Stab Backsies!" all the time.
@@chubbyninja89 I mean physically Skaven have the advantage, rats can collapse their ribcage to get through gaps, have prehensile tails, for balance and additional weapon use, are faster, and are built better for climbing. Their issue is totally with how they view the world. But Eshin are strangely loyal for Skaven, especially when they are no longer expendable foot troops.
I tend to think that they did in fact barely manage to overrun a local group of ninja/shinobi in Nippon, but like most things Skaven do, didn't quite perfect it as compared to the original, in that they, still being skaven, weren't quite as effective as the actual ninja from Nippon. And I know it's a bit of theory crafting on my part, but I like to think that one of the big reasons why the Skaven, or other enemies for that matter, haven't invaded and conquered Nippon isn't just because of the ferocity of the samurai and such other forces of Nippon, but because of the efficiency and skill of the ninja of that land. Almost to the point where you can barely set foot in that land without the ninja knowing about it.
i remember reading that one showcase battle in the white dwarf many many years ago of skaven fighting lizardman army skaven had an assassin from clan eshin hiding in a block of his front line rat army blocks. when that block got close enough to the leader of the lizardman army - a slann - the assassin jumped out of the army he was hiding in moved close to the army leader, deployed a special warp bomb he was equipped with, when then used an ability to disengage, failed the deployment of the bomb, it activated, but the assassin took the bomb back with him, reappeared near backline where own general was - bomb exploded and took half his own army out with em. thats how clan eshin do.
@@thundergaming155 Million monkeys theory. Million monkeys with a million typewriters, eventually one of them will write a Shakespeare level masterpiece. That is the entire ethos of Skaven advancement.
Well the people who are hired to do the spying are basically amount to whistleblower regardless if it's consenual or corforced since people who do the spying are trend to be forgien citizen while spy we think typically of are basically just handler for those forgien citizen who they themselves have their own handler going all the way back to quartermaster who in turn work for spymaster. Who in turn work for head of their headqarter who in work for ruler of their nation who are basically enforced by a series of internal police force hence counterespiagonce and counterintellegence in which intellegence andrecy and millitary police force and internal police force along with numberous other pothial organizations responsbile to keeping a spy on eanch which require a massive burcuracary who also have to deal with need to keep serect while also keeping record of those sercets and making sure only right people can access those sercet and when to reveal those sercect to public and even then governent will engaged in limited hangout tactic where they will only reveal bare minium infornacd nessercry and becuse those informance are so juicy people will gawk at those informqnce without asking for more informance
I kind of love how Clan Eshin got hard carried by Deathmaster Sniktch, which honestly I'm happy with. Sniktch is such a good Skaven character up there with Thanquol, he had the ability to have a cool moment in End Times, which is more than most can say
Only they catastrophically messed up Thorgrim Grudgebearer at the same time. The high king of the dwarfs who are so meticulous and careful they consider century old tech to still be prototypes... Forgot to close the door behind him. They could have had Sniktch just appear DESPITE Thorgrimm closing the door which would have been better for both characters. Also Thorgrimm's armor is covered in most likely some of the most well maintained magic runes in the dwarfen realms with the express purpose of safeguarding him against assasination. Sniktch is such a master of his craft that he can perform character assassination.
@@RyugaruSenbi "can perform character assassination" is a trait I'll give my next dnd villain, a whispers bard/assassin rogue who takes out high standing officials that hired the party. Making it look so easy that it makes the party look bad.
lore factoid a whole lot of skaven eshin assassins got killed by like a bunch of dudes with clubs on a pub because they got discovered they were trying to assassinate the heroes Gotrek and felix and only Felix realized they were looking for them
i mean that's what happens when your a character in a gotrek and felix book, your ether with or against g&f, and one of those choices leaves you as a smear on the wall after the walking knife crime that is gotrek is done with you.
To me, those that taught them those “techniques “ were purposefully try to weaken them. Like you said, most shinobi who tried doing these things were caught and executed. But you have those few, like Sneak, who saw through it and took to heart the few true lessons, and were successful.
If Deathmaster Snikch doesn’t have his own book yet, he should absolutely get one, and soon! With 4th Edition just around the corner, a focus on the Skaven is guaranteed and Clan Eshin is one of the fan favorites! I’d read a book about my favorite ninja rat!
Technically, no one in Nippon taught them. They just had several of their members spy on their training sessions and they copied it to create their own unique martial art "Rat fu." But still everything else was some solid research. Horned Rat provides yes yes.
Possibly... Though from how Sneek was Snikch's mentor, it implies that Sneek is the only one who actually learned the _proper_ Shinobi arts (Likely by being wiser than his kin due to age (he's over 80, where Skavens rarely live past 13)), and only taught his potential successor those ways in full, that Successor being Deathmaster Snikch. The rest of Eshin? They basically spied on Sneek and Snikch's training sessions and copied what they _thought_ was important while discarding the rest of it... Nevermind that the _full_ teachings were the truly successful approach. As a result, much of Clan Eshin were basically just murderhobos with a _very_ crude understanding of the Shinobi way, as they copied it based on what their Grandmaster _actually_ learned from the actual shinobi. Sneek was likely all like: "eh, let dum-dums Scurry-dash into Man-Thing weapons. Should focus-teach Snikch better way."
I like to imagine Clan Eshin learning ninja stuff went something like: Eshin: "Okay man-thing. You have two-two option-choices. Either teach train us in ninja-kill stuff, or become part of Rodney." _points of a Hell-Pit Abomination schizophrenically gyrating in the background_ Soon-to be reluctant sensei: "Option one please."
fun fact nippon is expressly stated to be strong enough that if they ever unified cathay a country 10 times it's size and led by magic dragons outright admits they'd lose
I do love the idea that the founders of clan Eshin somehow learned the art of stealth, assasination and psychological manipulation just to return to skavenblight and try to teach those ways to their followers just to be severely disappointed at how the learning stops at assasination except for some chosen few elites because Skaven are so horde brained that they just can't think beyond stabbing someone and running off. The way the skaven nature completely clashes with most of the things that make up a Ninja makes the Eshin lords so much more impressive and I genuinely think Skaven being Skaven is just a balancing facor because like you said if they actually were resourceful and thoughtful the World of Warhammer would be doomed. lol Reading through some wikis again I love how Snikich once assasinated Thorgrims sons and his daughter and all he could write down in his book of grudges is "murder-daemon of darkness" in dwarven.
So a few things about the clan as a whole and some specifics to add more "ninja" to this: 1. Generally speaking any Eshin member below the rank of Assassin is barely trained if at all and only those who reach GutterRunner rank or higher are actually given proper equipment the rest use whatever they can get their hands on, which is pretty much normal Skaven behavior . Generally speaking only Snikch and Sneak who are the top have retained the full mastery of the art they stole from when they escaped the destruction of Skavenblight and ended up in the East. 2. In truth you can argue that Skaven as a whole have more ninja in them by way of Moulder and Skryre. You could make the argument that Moulder showcase the art of using animals that I believe was mentioned in the show before. Granted they do mutate them and mostly use them for direct combat, but they have also simply mutated normal rats and just sent them into villages and towns and allowed them to spread disease and corruption. Skryre may seem like a weird thing to note, but Gaijin himself have pointed out that Ninjas also used guns and explosives as part of their kit, both of which are Skryre's bread and butter...Or Warpstone and...Warpstone. Skryre tend to then sell their inventions and even custom made inventions to other clans for use. This is what allows you to equip Eshin members in Mordheim for example with Warplock weapons (essentially Warpstone bullet muskets) and even hire Globadiers, which could either be a direct hire from Skryre or whatever Eshin clan member the leader of the warband decided would be best at handling such dangerous items or least missed if he fumbles with them. 3. Lastly clan Eshin's main job is actually not to assassinate, but is infiltration and sabotage. Mostly infiltrating the confines of other members of the council and any other clan for that matter so Grandmaster Sneak will ALWAYS have a clear advantage over the rest of the Skaven at all times. He also sends his most capable to spy on other races of course. So while Snikch is the most well known and is actually the best among them, there are others. We have just mostly been shown GutterRunner rank ones because they are much more common and let's face it Vermintide took the right lessons from Left 4 Dead and gave every special Skaven a sound-cue. And fun fact, only bit of info Master Sneak hasn't been able to get is the true face of Nurglitch the leader of Pestilens due to either his foulness being so overwhelming it kills the infiltrator or his true form so horrifying they die from a heart-attack (Skrolk clawed out his own eyes upon seeing his master after all).
i tried to imagine skaven trying to NOT think about itself only...yeah. Also, in books and overall lore clan Eshin uses everything, from poison globes from clan Skryre, those spiky stars you throw on the ground and in one book they literally started a fire as a distraction.
Here's an idea for a Which Ninja episode. Agent 47 from the Hitman series. Master of disguise, infiltration, and using whatever he can find in the levels to take out his targets in stealthy ways.
And more importantly, is extremely capable of MANIPULATING. There are achievements in his games for successfully killing all of your targets by convincing other people to do the deed.
As you have pointed out, the clan Eshin seems to be almost entirely based on the idea of ninjas being invinsible killing machines, which as you have pointed out is not historically accurate. However, for the skaven to act like that is very logical, skaven base most of their technologies on things that other races have made without understanding what makes them tick. So clan Eshin being inspired on a misconsception of ninjas as assassins is actually very fitting for skaven standards, since they don't seem to understand what ninjas are. Althought, let's be honest here games workshop likely had no idea of what a ninja actualy was when making clan Eshin.
Games Workshop also doesn't seem to understand rats in general. They are in truth very social beings that only stick to the shadows due to not only being nocturnal by nature, but because their eyes cannot handle bright lights for too long (basically, rats have a real-world version of "Darkvision" that allows them to see with little to no lighting at all). Also, they are willing to _sacrifice_ themselves for the sake of the Troop. Yeah, a Group of Rats are known as a "Troop". Very Military-esq. In fact, if Games Workshop had designed their Ratkins to be like actual rats, you'd find they'd be more Militaristic by mindset, with a belief in "The Needs of the Many Outweighing the Needs of the Few", and that backstabbery should only be done if the leadership's designs threaten the Troop's safety as a whole.
Warpstone is all the following at the same time: food, crack, fuel, crack, money, solidified Chaos, explosive, poison, crack, food, mutagenic, radioactive, ect.
Oh yes because a lot of the stealth units for the Lizardmen especially the Stalker Skinks are deadly and Ninja-like from the ability to naturally camouflage themselves like Chameleons to females being very attractive and use that beauty to seduce enemies into prime assassination position or give up valuable military info that can help the species out later on.
It's magic rocks made from the solidified winds of magic that naturally flow through the world, used in all manner of uses from drugs, forceful mutations, armor piercing ammunition, energy weapons, propellant, and jewelry. Other races can use warpstone but it's basically radioactive due to how intensely charged it is, so skaven are the only ones who are crazy enough to use it consistently.
I swear to god with which ninja episodes I always learn something new about the ninja that makes me either raise my eyes brows in amazement or I learn something that makes me chuckle. the Cheeki Breeki is this one that made me chuckle
Another argument for the rat tail holding a sword being a good ninja detail is that while historical shinobi lacked prehensile tails, you know that if they did, said extra appendage would be trained to be as skilled as possible, just like the rest of the body
Always good to see another video. Been fallowing sense high school and still have a thirst for knowledge and Gaijin is very good at getting some gears of curiosity and creativety oiled up. 😊
Skaven as much as I find them amusing I could not build an army of them for the tabletop to many models. And my hobby table has some much space for working on my models and the commissions
I seem to recall a fun fact that Snikch took his job so seriously, that he may have bathed thoroughly to eliminate any scents that Skaven normally give off, so as to remain undetected.
I wonder if he’s going to do a few whitch ninja videos on the ninja skylanders (stealth elf series 1 to 3 and superchargers and her mini whisper elf, ninjini with her mini mini-jini, trap shadow, stink bomb, tuff luck, lob star, stormblade, boom bloom, tae kwon crow, star cast and the ninja imaginators) in the future
MAKE A WHICH NINJA OF RISE OF THE RONIN! Old man in arm chair vibes increasing! We're all old. We already had an evil Splinter. In the 2003 TMNT there was an episode where Michelangelo ended up in a parallel world where the turtles are superheroes and their master turned evil and was called Sliver. 4:23 Is that Sliver?
He has one as an ancestor: Rioichi Cooper. As for Sly as a ninja, he's not good at it-he leaves a calling card whenever he steals an item of value (ninja leave no trace) and a lot of the time he is being pursued by Inspector Carmelita M. Fox (ninja are not supposed to be seen at all by their enemies).
@@JamesDavy2009 Yes, he does have obvious issues. But he's clearly never been seen clearly enough, not even by Carmalita, so much so that he can outright dance with her in the second game and she does not recognize him until he leaves behind a deliberate clue. He's very agile, approaches from the high angle, clades himself in blues and greys and his main 'weapon' is more of a tool to aid traversal and theft. He improvises quickly, is good with disguises and unafraid of unconventional tactics. If he can get over his pride and theatrics and he'd be an absolute beast of a shinobi.
i love the ratman of warhammer fatnasy but i do want a book that show us what insane fantasy japan man thought let teach the insane rat people with nukes how to be ninjs
The most important thing to note about the Eshin is their access to stalk. these rats can run silently, and fire at their opponents ate the same time. The death runners themselves are more for causing chaos, appearing, using acid to create weak points, killing as much as they can manage, then using concealment bombs to get away, which use acrid smoke to discombobulate their foes.
Oh a Warhammer video thought it was the Nizumis from magic the gathering since they had ninja rats. I like the cards that would flip change when you reach a goal.
There's a story about Snikch infiltrating a heavily guarded tower to kill an important mage that made me absolutely fall in love him. He basically starts by him chasing the mage into a tower and then false assaulting the front door to distract everyone while he scaled the walls and climbed through the window. The captain realizes too late that it's a distraction and rushes to the aid of the mage, however when he gets there he just sees the beady red eyes of Snikch in the window looking at him before leaping out. The story ends with the mercenary captain talking about how scared he is and how he feels the shadows watching him waiting for him to fall asleep. At least I think that's how it ends, it's been a while. The short story is called Unseen I believe.
I think another fun Warhamer ninja to look at which might be surprising is the Tyranid DeathLeaper Lictor, and just Lictors as a whole as intel gatherers could even be a fun Goombah Ork cross over for the sake of all mushrooms.
So it sounds like the skaven saw all this ninja stuff, learned only the stuff they wanted to/adapted it to their race. then went back to go stab clan pestilence
In the Gotrek and Felix books there was a Skaven another assasin that did meditation before his mission so this is definitely something that a lot of Eshin members do (it didn't help him at all to control his emotions but at least he tried).
Rats: “teach us to ninja” Nippon: “no” Rats: “oh well, guess we just kill people then” Is this the lore? I don’t know anything about 40k so this is just my guess lol
Well skaven don't exist in 40k so no. In fantasy though it was more like "Look at these man-things sneaking like that... We can totally do that and do it better!" And then they did. The entire clan moved there just to learn how the people there did it by stalking them and taking notes.
It's theorised that they learned by observing and stealing manuals, manuscripts etc on the topics of being ninja and self-taught themselves. Which tbf is perfect practice for being better ninja, infiltrating and extracting information.
I ain't Tilean, but molto bella, Gaijin, you beautiful, beautiful man! I am so happy that you not only made a video about WHFB, but one specifically about the Skaven! I will say that I was somewhat dreading that you'd be focusing on AoS stuff, but I am glad to see that not a single whiff of it was present. Great video! Absolutely made my day.
You did forget a couple important properties about Warpstone - One, it's basically magically radioactive, putting out an AREA of poisoning and death, and disrupts normal magic cast near it due to its corruptive effects It's also infectious, and getting flakes or scraps of it into your body can lead to it slowly converting pieces of you into warpstone, which kills you slowly after driving you mad. Skaven are only resistant to it due to a few of their practices, but other species in the Warhammer setting are basically just overwhelmed by it.
it's true that in a war game, where every faction playable is by itself an army.... it's hard to separate the war from the factions. But I would define Eshin clan as a ninja-warrior clan as they are more stealthy than most other skaven.
seems like snikch is potentially the peak of the eshin clan, maybe even the skaven, like his descendants could retain the traits and potential for these greater mental abilities of his kind, and in ideal cases, lead to them in time becoming a major threat
Honestly my thought process regarding ninjas using magic is that, being as resourceful as they are, they'd absolutely make use of it at every opportunity, likely even making it a priority to infiltrate places containing their secrets and taking them to reimplement them into their own practices. Now I don't think they'd use them combative except anymore than they're already combat combat trained, instead further using it to enhance their information gathering, survival, and unorthodox tactics.
Great video, Gaijin. Here's some other characters you could cover: Gray Fox (Metal Gear) Daredevil (Marvel) Vega (Street Fighter) Storm Shadow (GI Joe) Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Assassins/Shadows (DC) Corvo (Dishonored) Raizo (Ninja Assassin) The Onmitsukidō Stealth Force (Bleach) Hanzo (Hunter x Hunter)Great video, Gaijin. Here's some other characters you could cover: Gray Fox (Metal Gear) Daredevil (Marvel) Vega (Street Fighter) Storm Shadow (GI Joe) Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Assassins/Shadows (DC) Corvo (Dishonored) Raizo (Ninja Assassin) The Onmitsukidō Stealth Force (Bleach) Hanzo (Hunter x Hunter)
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So maybe a shado-pan video?
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i think you will be surprised
Office furniture, very good. At least it's not a "Gamer Chair" cause they are literally the same thing.
*sigh*
No offense dude, but this kind of stuff is getting kind of ridiculous and even stupid for you to whine about so much.
And sorry if the comment is really long, I'm just trying to explain a bit.
I just think it's so stupid that so many people have the stupid desire to deconstruct seemingly every cool aspect of history and take the wonder out of all of it.
And to be blunt, that sort of stuff comes off as those people being jealous nerds who are jealous of a jock or jocks and then later try to rewrite history or whatever to make the parts they like look better than the ones they don't.
I know you're channel is more focused on Japanese history and all, but I'm sure you've heard about the Spartans of ancient Greece and how they were supposed to have been pretty badass warriors and all.
I'll just say this. Historians have debated how much of the tales of the Spartans were true or not, but in recent years, a number of fools who call themselves historians have been pretty trying to say that Spartans weren't even special in anyway at all, that they were just another city state that was no different than many others.
Yeah, I know they weren't some kind of ancient Captain America super soldiers who could each beat up 10 regular men, but I do also know the great difference actual training and such will make when it comes to how effective they are in battle.
Because the majority of the armies back in those times were militias, as in not full time soldiers. And I can understand how the Spartans have a bunch of highly trained soldiers could give rise to the idea of them being some sort of super soldiers and such when almost everyone else was still using mostly militia armies.
But you get the point.
Knowing skaven, "learning" from shinobi most likely translates to "stole all the techniques and killed them for the lulz".
I was going to say "ate them" but that works too.
Captured & tortured for info
All the above xD
i-i mean ikit claw did do that for the rattling gunners and cathay, so i would not doubt clan eshin doing the same.
Its also a meme that Ikkit might moonlight at the Nuln Gunnery School.
I really wish you covered two other things about Eshin:
- Lord Sneek has his glands removed to not give off his emotions, he uses this to great effect during Council of Thirteen meetings.
- Eshin is also often employed by other clans for not only assasinations, but also infiltration and sabotage, one of the most known things they do is drilling holes into ships, stealing or altering intel, poisoning garrisons via water supplies and sabotaging weaponry
I feel like these would add a lot more to the argument
The only thing more deadly then an Eshin assassin is an Oxyotl
@@blaster23456 You're probably thinking of Chameleon Skinks. Oxyotl is a Chameleon Skink special character that could possibly be able to go up against Deathmaster Snikch if the writers expanded on his lore as much as him.
I was a bit dissapointed spy-rats (normal-size rats) were not even mentioned since they feel like something ninja would be inclined to do if they could.
@@shonklebonkle324 This is actually mentioned in a Gotrek and Felix book, basically the Skaven can't communicate with normal rats and find the idea ridiculous. However, they have used the idea to make the people they work with paranoid as for some reason they think that they can communicate with normal rats so they focus on them rather than looking for clan Eshin spies.
Queek is dangerous because he's the bravest/craziest Skaven.
Skrolk is dangerous because he's the most diseased Skaven.
Tretch is dangerous because he's the most paranoid and lucky Skaven.
Ikit Claw is dangerous because he's the best enigneer of the Skaven.
Throt the Unclean is dangerous because he's the best biologist of the Skaven.
Snikch is dangerous because he somehow taught himself to control how Skaven-like his mind is at any given moment. And that makes him terrifyingly efficient. Does he still have all the same impulses and thoughts as your average Skaven that normally cause them to sabotage themselves and others? Oh yes, of course. But when those thoughts and impulses would get in the way of the mission, he's the only Skaven I've ever read about who can just IGNORE them until the job is done.
When the ability to turn off your brain is a net positive.
@@markguyton2868fighing is also a area where this is good. But it requires training to allow your body to move on its own like that.
Ultra instinct is a real thing although it's not as cool as shown in super but it does exist.
@@hedgehoginacanoe5838 Makes sense in the long run. Less thinking., more doing.
@@markguyton2868 Yet another ninja skill: _mushin._ As explained elsewhere on _Which Ninja_ the _go-dan_ test in the Bujinkan is the Test of Ill Intent where the examined must get into position and dissociate their minds while the examiner is prepared to strike with a blunt weapon. To pass the test, the examined must dodge the strike as it happens.
@@JamesDavy2009 Huh, interesting.
Deathmaster being the only Skaven we know of that is capable of self-reflection and deeper psyche would definitely mean his role and accomplishments are well earned.
snikch would be terrifying if he ever fully grasped those concepts.
There is one other Skaven that has achieved this power, Sleek Sharpwit, better known as 'Old-thing' from the Queek book, who got his self-reflection and wisdom from managing to live for over 80 years instead of the typical skaven 13.
@semi-useful5178 If I recall he has the immortal honor of decorating Queek's trophy rack after a life long lived and violently ended.
@@VengeanceMkII
Correct. He still imparts his wisdom onto queek
@@semi-useful5178which we've never confirmed if it's his own madness or if it's actually the Old Rat speaking to him. I like the believe the latter. It puts a smile on my face that, in the end, the Old Rat was just like "You got me fair and square" and decided to keep giving him info so he could stay alive long enough to be as old and wise as him.
There’s some meat to the idea of them being perversions of ninja. Skaven who somehow managed to take the lessons of ninjutsu for themselves, then applied them in the most Skaven way possible. They tore out anything that was good or compassionate or thoughtful and formed a deadly, monstrous, mocking parody which could create only bloodshed and strife. Really, there’s no other way Skaven would’ve done it.
Funnily enough, only Grandmaster Sneek and Deathmaster Snikch seem to be the only ones to actually _have_ proper Shinobi Training. What the Rest of Clan Eshin has looks to be a crude replication from a bunch of Gutter Runners who observed what Sneek and Snikch were doing and tried to do what they were doing by themselves without proper understanding of the actual teachings.
In my eyes, only Sneek and Snikch have proper training. The rest of Clan Eshin? Copycats who just blindly replicated everything they observed of Sneek and Snikch, and stuck to the crude replications.
I think the higher level Eshin have it, but they have to survive being used as meatfodder to get to that point.
You know, I actually kind of think that if GW had been smart enough to flesh out factions like Nippon and others, they should've played up that aspect of skaven.
Not that they should retcon Clan Eshin into sucking at what they do, but just that they, being skaven, don't quite pull it off well as the originals, as in, the ninja/shinobi of Nippon.
I mean, I'd be 100% ok with full fledged Clan Eshin assassins and Deathmaster Snikch being good at what they do, but I think that the lore writers could've played around with the idea that why there's no real skaven presence in Nippon and why no invaders have been able to really invade Nippon is in part because of the efficiency of the native ninja/shinobi.
I just like the idea that while the full fledged assassins of Clan Eshin are effective, the ninja of Nippon could be a bit more effective and efficient in how they do things, in a "the original is always the best" sort of way.
@@chubbyninja89 To be honest, I am just puzzled as to why Skaven are _ALL_ Chaotic evil, considering that actual rats are rather social creatures that have an almost militant way of life.
I mean, a group of Rats are known as a "Troop", and when it comes down to it, rats have been known to have members check to see if food left out has been poisoned. If it is (with the scout obviously dying) the rest of the Troop mark the poisoned food to ensure that other rats don't get poisoned.
Why Games Workshop insist on "Chaotic Evil Rats", I do not know, moreso with how they have pointed out that there are so many minor clans that have been undocumented, yet we don't see any subtle changes between any clans.
It actually seems to tell us that for a bunch of chaotic evil ratkins, they seem to be even more stagnant than Mankind and the Elves, which is kind of funny as they are _Chaotic_ by nature, meaning they should be constantly adapting to new data, yet they always fall back on the same old "Stabby-Stab Backsies!" all the time.
@@chubbyninja89 I mean physically Skaven have the advantage, rats can collapse their ribcage to get through gaps, have prehensile tails, for balance and additional weapon use, are faster, and are built better for climbing.
Their issue is totally with how they view the world. But Eshin are strangely loyal for Skaven, especially when they are no longer expendable foot troops.
"I kept shrimping up like a prawn on third shift"... That's one hell of a sentence, my dude. That made my week.
Sniktch is definitely a Ninja. The other Skaven of Eshin are trained like other Skaven - poorly - so they can't kill their masters.
I tend to think that they did in fact barely manage to overrun a local group of ninja/shinobi in Nippon, but like most things Skaven do, didn't quite perfect it as compared to the original, in that they, still being skaven, weren't quite as effective as the actual ninja from Nippon.
And I know it's a bit of theory crafting on my part, but
I like to think that one of the big reasons why the Skaven, or other enemies for that matter, haven't invaded and conquered Nippon isn't just because of the ferocity of the samurai and such other forces of Nippon, but because of the efficiency and skill of the ninja of that land. Almost to the point where you can barely set foot in that land without the ninja knowing about it.
"we trained him wrong, as a joke."
@@samboyd1828
Wimp Lo yes yes.
i remember reading that one showcase battle in the white dwarf many many years ago of skaven fighting lizardman army
skaven had an assassin from clan eshin hiding in a block of his front line rat army blocks.
when that block got close enough to the leader of the lizardman army - a slann - the assassin jumped out of the army he was hiding in moved close to the army leader, deployed a special warp bomb he was equipped with, when then used an ability to disengage, failed the deployment of the bomb, it activated, but the assassin took the bomb back with him, reappeared near backline where own general was - bomb exploded and took half his own army out with em.
thats how clan eshin do.
Fun to hear you talk about Warhammer's literal Rat Bastards. And to hear how un-ninja (and actually ninja) they are.
How very Skaven. Insert signfield theme.
the duality of skaven. they some how can be both the best and worst ninjas, engineers, warriors, and Master mutators in all of warhammer fantasy.
@@thundergaming155 Million monkeys theory. Million monkeys with a million typewriters, eventually one of them will write a Shakespeare level masterpiece. That is the entire ethos of Skaven advancement.
@@Tucher97 That's so Skaven
Pop culture Ninja: assassins who are experts at hiding
More realistic Ninja: have more in common with hackers or whistleblowers than James Bond
Well the people who are hired to do the spying are basically amount to whistleblower regardless if it's consenual or corforced since people who do the spying are trend to be forgien citizen while spy we think typically of are basically just handler for those forgien citizen who they themselves have their own handler going all the way back to quartermaster who in turn work for spymaster. Who in turn work for head of their headqarter who in work for ruler of their nation who are basically enforced by a series of internal police force hence counterespiagonce and counterintellegence in which intellegence andrecy and millitary police force and internal police force along with numberous other pothial organizations responsbile to keeping a spy on eanch which require a massive burcuracary who also have to deal with need to keep serect while also keeping record of those sercets and making sure only right people can access those sercet and when to reveal those sercect to public and even then governent will engaged in limited hangout tactic where they will only reveal bare minium infornacd nessercry and becuse those informance are so juicy people will gawk at those informqnce without asking for more informance
I kind of love how Clan Eshin got hard carried by Deathmaster Sniktch, which honestly I'm happy with. Sniktch is such a good Skaven character up there with Thanquol, he had the ability to have a cool moment in End Times, which is more than most can say
I had a weird image in mind of Sniktch striking like a _kamaitachi._
Only they catastrophically messed up Thorgrim Grudgebearer at the same time. The high king of the dwarfs who are so meticulous and careful they consider century old tech to still be prototypes...
Forgot to close the door behind him.
They could have had Sniktch just appear DESPITE Thorgrimm closing the door which would have been better for both characters. Also Thorgrimm's armor is covered in most likely some of the most well maintained magic runes in the dwarfen realms with the express purpose of safeguarding him against assasination. Sniktch is such a master of his craft that he can perform character assassination.
@@RyugaruSenbi "can perform character assassination" is a trait I'll give my next dnd villain, a whispers bard/assassin rogue who takes out high standing officials that hired the party. Making it look so easy that it makes the party look bad.
There's more than one way to skin an infant, yes-yes!
lore factoid a whole lot of skaven eshin assassins got killed by like a bunch of dudes with clubs on a pub because they got discovered
they were trying to assassinate the heroes Gotrek and felix and only Felix realized they were looking for them
G+F are a fantastic series. Great guys who part bumble part succeeding through impossible feats of skill.
Ye that was the moment when eshin gutter runers where send en mass to kill man and dwarf things.
i mean that's what happens when your a character in a gotrek and felix book, your ether with or against g&f, and one of those choices leaves you as a smear on the wall after the walking knife crime that is gotrek is done with you.
@@thundergaming155 Eh, Thanquol does survive every encounter he has with the two.
@@BrotherRogahes also the Slaven embodyment of incomeptance and madness.
Eshin assassins are pretty much the only skaven that sometimes wash themselves to try and remove the horrid stink that their kind are known for.
Yes, the assassins of Great Horned Mickey.
To me, those that taught them those “techniques “ were purposefully try to weaken them. Like you said, most shinobi who tried doing these things were caught and executed. But you have those few, like Sneak, who saw through it and took to heart the few true lessons, and were successful.
If Deathmaster Snikch doesn’t have his own book yet, he should absolutely get one, and soon!
With 4th Edition just around the corner, a focus on the Skaven is guaranteed and Clan Eshin is one of the fan favorites! I’d read a book about my favorite ninja rat!
Written entierly in skaven dialect
@@doktordanomite9105 Queekish, it's called Queekish
And yes, absolutely
Yes yes glory to the great horned rat and all of his sneakiest rats things
Technically, no one in Nippon taught them. They just had several of their members spy on their training sessions and they copied it to create their own unique martial art "Rat fu."
But still everything else was some solid research. Horned Rat provides yes yes.
Possibly... Though from how Sneek was Snikch's mentor, it implies that Sneek is the only one who actually learned the _proper_ Shinobi arts (Likely by being wiser than his kin due to age (he's over 80, where Skavens rarely live past 13)), and only taught his potential successor those ways in full, that Successor being Deathmaster Snikch.
The rest of Eshin? They basically spied on Sneek and Snikch's training sessions and copied what they _thought_ was important while discarding the rest of it... Nevermind that the _full_ teachings were the truly successful approach.
As a result, much of Clan Eshin were basically just murderhobos with a _very_ crude understanding of the Shinobi way, as they copied it based on what their Grandmaster _actually_ learned from the actual shinobi.
Sneek was likely all like: "eh, let dum-dums Scurry-dash into Man-Thing weapons. Should focus-teach Snikch better way."
By the Great Horned Rat, is it true? I never thought I’d see the day! Praise the rats, and pass the warpstone!
I like to imagine Clan Eshin learning ninja stuff went something like:
Eshin: "Okay man-thing. You have two-two option-choices. Either teach train us in ninja-kill stuff, or become part of Rodney." _points of a Hell-Pit Abomination schizophrenically gyrating in the background_
Soon-to be reluctant sensei: "Option one please."
RATS! RATS! WE ARE THE RATS!
we prey at night
Yes Rats yes yes yes.
I AM THE GIANT RAT WHO RULED THEM ALL!
😂😂😂😂😂 I was looking for this comment.
We stalk at night.
fun fact nippon is expressly stated to be strong enough that if they ever unified cathay a country 10 times it's size and led by magic dragons outright admits they'd lose
Why we don't have that in warhammer?
@@MrSkabrus you mean 40K?
*Mmmmmmmhhhhhhhhh looks at the space terminators and their cleptomaniac*
Maybe they have
@@dominikreinhart3457 no in fantasy
@@MrSkabrus cause total war wanted to focus on cathay
I do love the idea that the founders of clan Eshin somehow learned the art of stealth, assasination and psychological manipulation just to return to skavenblight and try to teach those ways to their followers just to be severely disappointed at how the learning stops at assasination except for some chosen few elites because Skaven are so horde brained that they just can't think beyond stabbing someone and running off.
The way the skaven nature completely clashes with most of the things that make up a Ninja makes the Eshin lords so much more impressive and I genuinely think Skaven being Skaven is just a balancing facor because like you said if they actually were resourceful and thoughtful the World of Warhammer would be doomed. lol
Reading through some wikis again I love how Snikich once assasinated Thorgrims sons and his daughter and all he could write down in his book of grudges is "murder-daemon of darkness" in dwarven.
So a few things about the clan as a whole and some specifics to add more "ninja" to this: 1. Generally speaking any Eshin member below the rank of Assassin is barely trained if at all and only those who reach GutterRunner rank or higher are actually given proper equipment the rest use whatever they can get their hands on, which is pretty much normal Skaven behavior . Generally speaking only Snikch and Sneak who are the top have retained the full mastery of the art they stole from when they escaped the destruction of Skavenblight and ended up in the East.
2. In truth you can argue that Skaven as a whole have more ninja in them by way of Moulder and Skryre. You could make the argument that Moulder showcase the art of using animals that I believe was mentioned in the show before. Granted they do mutate them and mostly use them for direct combat, but they have also simply mutated normal rats and just sent them into villages and towns and allowed them to spread disease and corruption. Skryre may seem like a weird thing to note, but Gaijin himself have pointed out that Ninjas also used guns and explosives as part of their kit, both of which are Skryre's bread and butter...Or Warpstone and...Warpstone. Skryre tend to then sell their inventions and even custom made inventions to other clans for use. This is what allows you to equip Eshin members in Mordheim for example with Warplock weapons (essentially Warpstone bullet muskets) and even hire Globadiers, which could either be a direct hire from Skryre or whatever Eshin clan member the leader of the warband decided would be best at handling such dangerous items or least missed if he fumbles with them.
3. Lastly clan Eshin's main job is actually not to assassinate, but is infiltration and sabotage. Mostly infiltrating the confines of other members of the council and any other clan for that matter so Grandmaster Sneak will ALWAYS have a clear advantage over the rest of the Skaven at all times. He also sends his most capable to spy on other races of course. So while Snikch is the most well known and is actually the best among them, there are others. We have just mostly been shown GutterRunner rank ones because they are much more common and let's face it Vermintide took the right lessons from Left 4 Dead and gave every special Skaven a sound-cue. And fun fact, only bit of info Master Sneak hasn't been able to get is the true face of Nurglitch the leader of Pestilens due to either his foulness being so overwhelming it kills the infiltrator or his true form so horrifying they die from a heart-attack (Skrolk clawed out his own eyes upon seeing his master after all).
Shrine maid ninja?
Pirate ninja?
You need to elaborate on that, chief!
Already did in past videos mate.
@GaijinGoombah Then either my memory is failing me or I missed that episode(s). Boy, do I hope it's the latter. Anyways, I'll look, thanks.
i tried to imagine skaven trying to NOT think about itself only...yeah. Also, in books and overall lore clan Eshin uses everything, from poison globes from clan Skryre, those spiky stars you throw on the ground and in one book they literally started a fire as a distraction.
You are referring to caltrops or _tetsubishi._
@@JamesDavy2009 thank you, yes...that
Here's an idea for a Which Ninja episode. Agent 47 from the Hitman series. Master of disguise, infiltration, and using whatever he can find in the levels to take out his targets in stealthy ways.
And more importantly, is extremely capable of MANIPULATING. There are achievements in his games for successfully killing all of your targets by convincing other people to do the deed.
As you have pointed out, the clan Eshin seems to be almost entirely based on the idea of ninjas being invinsible killing machines, which as you have pointed out is not historically accurate. However, for the skaven to act like that is very logical, skaven base most of their technologies on things that other races have made without understanding what makes them tick. So clan Eshin being inspired on a misconsception of ninjas as assassins is actually very fitting for skaven standards, since they don't seem to understand what ninjas are. Althought, let's be honest here games workshop likely had no idea of what a ninja actualy was when making clan Eshin.
Games Workshop also doesn't seem to understand rats in general.
They are in truth very social beings that only stick to the shadows due to not only being nocturnal by nature, but because their eyes cannot handle bright lights for too long (basically, rats have a real-world version of "Darkvision" that allows them to see with little to no lighting at all).
Also, they are willing to _sacrifice_ themselves for the sake of the Troop. Yeah, a Group of Rats are known as a "Troop". Very Military-esq.
In fact, if Games Workshop had designed their Ratkins to be like actual rats, you'd find they'd be more Militaristic by mindset, with a belief in "The Needs of the Many Outweighing the Needs of the Few", and that backstabbery should only be done if the leadership's designs threaten the Troop's safety as a whole.
Another good explanation for warpstone I have found is magical uranium. Also yes-yes, the bestest-greatest clan of the horned rat’s kinder!
Likely uranium-238 with embellished properties.
Warpstone is all the following at the same time: food, crack, fuel, crack, money, solidified Chaos, explosive, poison, crack, food, mutagenic, radioactive, ect.
Stab-stab man things yes-yes
Would love to see a video talking about the Lizardmen
Oh yes because a lot of the stealth units for the Lizardmen especially the Stalker Skinks are deadly and Ninja-like from the ability to naturally camouflage themselves like Chameleons to females being very attractive and use that beauty to seduce enemies into prime assassination position or give up valuable military info that can help the species out later on.
I did not expect the Skaven would have ninjas in their ranks
5:02 gotcha, so it's the spice Melange from Dune cranked up to 11
It's magic rocks made from the solidified winds of magic that naturally flow through the world, used in all manner of uses from drugs, forceful mutations, armor piercing ammunition, energy weapons, propellant, and jewelry. Other races can use warpstone but it's basically radioactive due to how intensely charged it is, so skaven are the only ones who are crazy enough to use it consistently.
Among other things yeah XD
WE GOT BADASS RAT NINJAS BOYS THINGS ARE GETTING INTERESTING
3 dudes with clubs killed 25 eshin assassins not kidding it happened in one of the gotrek and felix books
@@TheGameDomeGuy I think you mean 3 men with clubs helped Gotrek kill 25 gutter runners. Thats just a lazy Tuesday for him.
Ninja being rats is actually kinda fitting, as rat are known to be quite flexible and adaptable.
10:50 I was totally expecting a “We’re the Rats” joke there lol
That's a perfect description of the Skaven.
Gajin Goomba: “it unexpected in Warhammer”
That basically sums up Warhammer lol
I swear to god with which ninja episodes I always learn something new about the ninja that makes me either raise my eyes brows in amazement or I learn something that makes me chuckle. the Cheeki Breeki is this one that made me chuckle
EXCELLENT!! THE FUNGI-MUSHROOM BEAST-THING SPEAKS OF THE RAT-MICE
Another argument for the rat tail holding a sword being a good ninja detail is that while historical shinobi lacked prehensile tails, you know that if they did, said extra appendage would be trained to be as skilled as possible, just like the rest of the body
Yes-yes, it is rat time!
Have been hoping you'd cover this topic eventually. Quite happy that you have now.
I don't think Nippon "gave" clan Eshin their secrets. I think they were "borrowed"
So this guy is the truest ninja of his cosplaying rat pack?
Have you ever been in the hood? The Skaven are basically Warhammer's version of La M.
For a future idea video. The leapers and lictors from the tyranids, especialy the deathleaper with its story.
What was that flexispot sponsorship?
"Flexispot, becuase SOMEONE needs a new chair" lol, i have to check them out after hearing that.
Always good to see another video. Been fallowing sense high school and still have a thirst for knowledge and Gaijin is very good at getting some gears of curiosity and creativety oiled up. 😊
Skaven as much as I find them amusing I could not build an army of them for the tabletop to many models. And my hobby table has some much space for working on my models and the commissions
yea that warpstone comparison . . . spot on, yes-yes.
You should do a Which Ninja on Ninjago
The splinter who craves death
I can just hear someone in war hammer saying “you dirty rat! You killed my brother! You dirty rat!!”
Fantastic vid man. Absolutely love seeing you cover the vile skaven menace 🤩
I totally started singing along knowing you were about to say, “real ninja’s wear blue!”
Could you imagine Glitzdakka getting randomly sucked through time warp portals to react to the fantasy era stuff?
I seem to recall a fun fact that Snikch took his job so seriously, that he may have bathed thoroughly to eliminate any scents that Skaven normally give off, so as to remain undetected.
It makes sense that you and PancreasNoWork are friends.
I wonder if he’s going to do a few whitch ninja videos on the ninja skylanders (stealth elf series 1 to 3 and superchargers and her mini whisper elf, ninjini with her mini mini-jini, trap shadow, stink bomb, tuff luck, lob star, stormblade, boom bloom, tae kwon crow, star cast and the ninja imaginators) in the future
MAKE A WHICH NINJA OF RISE OF THE RONIN!
Old man in arm chair vibes increasing! We're all old.
We already had an evil Splinter. In the 2003 TMNT there was an episode where Michelangelo ended up in a parallel world where the turtles are superheroes and their master turned evil and was called Sliver. 4:23 Is that Sliver?
No doubt about it.
He used a screenshot of that episode when he talked about it.
Happy you got a new chair Gaijin Goombah.
GAIJIN! Sly Cooper! How Ninja is he!?
He has one as an ancestor: Rioichi Cooper. As for Sly as a ninja, he's not good at it-he leaves a calling card whenever he steals an item of value (ninja leave no trace) and a lot of the time he is being pursued by Inspector Carmelita M. Fox (ninja are not supposed to be seen at all by their enemies).
@@JamesDavy2009 Yes, he does have obvious issues. But he's clearly never been seen clearly enough, not even by Carmalita, so much so that he can outright dance with her in the second game and she does not recognize him until he leaves behind a deliberate clue.
He's very agile, approaches from the high angle, clades himself in blues and greys and his main 'weapon' is more of a tool to aid traversal and theft. He improvises quickly, is good with disguises and unafraid of unconventional tactics. If he can get over his pride and theatrics and he'd be an absolute beast of a shinobi.
i love the ratman of warhammer fatnasy
but i do want a book that show us what insane fantasy japan man thought
let teach the insane rat people with nukes how to be ninjs
I assume the rats took it by force
@@burningbronze7555 or some japanness warlord thought i could use there things to help me , and than the rats killed them all after learning
I'm like 90% sure they learned through trial and error while stalking people there.
"Evil Master Splinters"
Could be worser worse to describe Snikch and his clan
The most important thing to note about the Eshin is their access to stalk. these rats can run silently, and fire at their opponents ate the same time. The death runners themselves are more for causing chaos, appearing, using acid to create weak points, killing as much as they can manage, then using concealment bombs to get away, which use acrid smoke to discombobulate their foes.
My head cannon is that the rats found the master assassins and ninjas of nipon and tortured the answers to there secrets out of them.
Oh a Warhammer video thought it was the Nizumis from magic the gathering since they had ninja rats. I like the cards that would flip change when you reach a goal.
It always sounded to me like someone tried to train the skaven for use in their own wars, which obviously failed
21:01 He impresses me...if only he had @ least a MILD sense of honor!!!
17:49 That's funny, Wizard demon Chef and Fire demon Chess
There's a story about Snikch infiltrating a heavily guarded tower to kill an important mage that made me absolutely fall in love him. He basically starts by him chasing the mage into a tower and then false assaulting the front door to distract everyone while he scaled the walls and climbed through the window. The captain realizes too late that it's a distraction and rushes to the aid of the mage, however when he gets there he just sees the beady red eyes of Snikch in the window looking at him before leaping out. The story ends with the mercenary captain talking about how scared he is and how he feels the shadows watching him waiting for him to fall asleep. At least I think that's how it ends, it's been a while. The short story is called Unseen I believe.
I was wondering when you'd do a which ninja for Warhammer. Maybe next you could do a which ninja on Styx from Of orcs and Men.
I think another fun Warhamer ninja to look at which might be surprising is the Tyranid DeathLeaper Lictor, and just Lictors as a whole as intel gatherers could even be a fun Goombah Ork cross over for the sake of all mushrooms.
15:59 I imagined THAT being on a note left by Snikch... One way to rub it into the faces of those he kills.
So it sounds like the skaven saw all this ninja stuff, learned only the stuff they wanted to/adapted it to their race. then went back to go stab clan pestilence
Yeeep with only the higher ups actually you know *understanding* how the ninja ticked
In the Gotrek and Felix books there was a Skaven another assasin that did meditation before his mission so this is definitely something that a lot of Eshin members do (it didn't help him at all to control his emotions but at least he tried).
YES! RATS! SKAVEN UPRISING! I love them about as much as I love Orks at this point, so this is so nice to see~
2:42 LOVE the mousepad my dude!
So Gajin. :Rubs hands: How Much Warpstone do you shoved up your Orc WAARGH?
Always love the content! Thank you!
That's a fancy looking chair.
2:19 Now that's a mood right there!🤣
Rats: “teach us to ninja”
Nippon: “no”
Rats: “oh well, guess we just kill people then”
Is this the lore? I don’t know anything about 40k so this is just my guess lol
Well skaven don't exist in 40k so no. In fantasy though it was more like "Look at these man-things sneaking like that... We can totally do that and do it better!" And then they did. The entire clan moved there just to learn how the people there did it by stalking them and taking notes.
It's theorised that they learned by observing and stealing manuals, manuscripts etc on the topics of being ninja and self-taught themselves. Which tbf is perfect practice for being better ninja, infiltrating and extracting information.
I ain't Tilean, but molto bella, Gaijin, you beautiful, beautiful man! I am so happy that you not only made a video about WHFB, but one specifically about the Skaven! I will say that I was somewhat dreading that you'd be focusing on AoS stuff, but I am glad to see that not a single whiff of it was present. Great video! Absolutely made my day.
You did forget a couple important properties about Warpstone -
One, it's basically magically radioactive, putting out an AREA of poisoning and death, and disrupts normal magic cast near it due to its corruptive effects
It's also infectious, and getting flakes or scraps of it into your body can lead to it slowly converting pieces of you into warpstone, which kills you slowly after driving you mad.
Skaven are only resistant to it due to a few of their practices, but other species in the Warhammer setting are basically just overwhelmed by it.
The Horned One is pleased with this mushroom-thing’s work yes-yes.
This makes me want a Game where you Play as Snikch. Like a Proper Stealth, sabatoge, and assassination type game.
Two ninjas id love to see you tackle is the kids from Shuriken School and Dr. McNinja.
it's true that in a war game, where every faction playable is by itself an army.... it's hard to separate the war from the factions. But I would define Eshin clan as a ninja-warrior clan as they are more stealthy than most other skaven.
seems like snikch is potentially the peak of the eshin clan, maybe even the skaven, like his descendants could retain the traits and potential for these greater mental abilities of his kind, and in ideal cases, lead to them in time becoming a major threat
Lord Sneek as well, both excellent at courtly matters, subterfuge and a master assassin in his own right.
Honestly my thought process regarding ninjas using magic is that, being as resourceful as they are, they'd absolutely make use of it at every opportunity, likely even making it a priority to infiltrate places containing their secrets and taking them to reimplement them into their own practices. Now I don't think they'd use them combative except anymore than they're already combat combat trained, instead further using it to enhance their information gathering, survival, and unorthodox tactics.
"Why learn to cast a fireball when i can just learn how to literaly read minds?"
@@TheRealNekora "Why cast lightning bolt when I can learn invisibility?"
i think its cannon that eshin skaven cosplay as snikch
Huh. So the idea that Eshin comes from "Hashashadin" might still hold up.
Would love to see an examination of the classical ninja vs the Fantasy Ranger such as the Dunedain, Shadow Warriors of Nagarythe, and others.
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it has been a while and nice to see this
an entire LEGION of Master Splinter
Snikch is definitely ninja, Eshin as a whole seem more like generic fantasy rouges with some added ninja aesthetic and magic shenanigans.
Would have been easy to make an Eshin Spy Hunter minature if they wanted to lean more into other things past assassination.
Great video, Gaijin. Here's some other characters you could cover:
Gray Fox (Metal Gear)
Daredevil (Marvel)
Vega (Street Fighter)
Storm Shadow (GI Joe)
Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Assassins/Shadows (DC)
Corvo (Dishonored)
Raizo (Ninja Assassin)
The Onmitsukidō Stealth Force (Bleach)
Hanzo (Hunter x Hunter)Great video, Gaijin. Here's some other characters you could cover:
Gray Fox (Metal Gear)
Daredevil (Marvel)
Vega (Street Fighter)
Storm Shadow (GI Joe)
Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Assassins/Shadows (DC)
Corvo (Dishonored)
Raizo (Ninja Assassin)
The Onmitsukidō Stealth Force (Bleach)
Hanzo (Hunter x Hunter)