Is there a political solution for bridging Oregon’s urban-rural divide?
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- We’ve received a lot of suggestions for ways eastern Oregon could feel better represented. Some of them, however, wouldn’t fly in court. After some feedback on the eastern Oregon series from our viewers, Pat Dooris delivers his final thoughts.
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Jason's snide racial comment completely dismissing the concerns of vast swaths of our state perfectly illustrates why rural Oregonians feel condescended to & ignored. Much like the legislature treats us.
I highly commend KGW for its efforts to give Eastern Oregon a voice. I hope the Governor and other those in the urban areas listen.
just because the few people in e. oregon want fascism, doesn't mean the entire state wants it
@jeanineruby shut up you out of touch moron, not everything conservative is fascist and all us rural folk want is to be left alone I'm sure you feel the same way about your values so don't be a hypocrite.
Keep dreaming, eastern Oregonians can feel free to move to Idaho
PS, praying for eastern Oregon to be heard! The confusion and the division that occurs in the state of Oregon right now is because eastern Oregon is not heard when it should be … not listening, is the same thing as dishonesty a lot of the time, not all the time, but a lot of the time. We hear you eastern Oregon and are with you!
Sadly tyranny of majority and no basic constitutional protection of rights from being trampled.
it's a democratic process - not enough people in E. Oregon to make a difference that's why you all want to secede into Idaho
the Fantasy World of Religious Insanity is a hard nut to change.
Evolution has been proven true. A magic guy in the sky is Out Dated Superstition; yet some grasp desperately at the Past.
Majority Rules, makes USA Great.
Rule yourself, leave people who don't want it out of it.
Thank you so so much for your show and for encouraging a neutral conversation in communication about a serious topic for the state of Oregon, and the Oregonian, who dwell here and call at home. It’s refreshing to turn on your shows when I see them and to see a calm engagement a conversation and ideas and what I’m seeing more than anything is that it is possible it is possible, this even ground without turmoil in one and being without opposed to the other. Basically your show is encouraging unity and discouraging division. Thank you for that.! 🙏🏼
Oregon can not be the only state to have a rural urban divide
Washington is the same way
Washington and California
Most states have this urban/rural divide issue. The primary root cause is the tyranny of the majority, who seem hell bent on taking away the individual rights and freedoms guaranteed by the US Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land (Article VI, Paragraph 2). The framers of the Constitution were so concerned with the tyranny of the majority that they put in place the electoral college for presidential elections, without which the big urban centers would elect every president and the rest of us would have no say whatsoever.
Any law, ordinance, rule, etc., that violates the Constitution is not a valid law and citizens have no duty to obey it. Yet, we are punished with years in prison for mere possession of an "illegal item or substance," even tho we have never injured or harmed anyone.
And the people in the big urban centers seem to feel sorry for the criminal thugs and don't want to keep these societal menaces locked up. What about all the victims of these thugs? Don't the bleeding hearts feel sorry for them? How does rampant crime benefit society?
So when the "progressives" in the big urban areas can solve the crime issues and stop violating our individual rights, maybe I'll start listening to them. In the meantime, all I have feel towards them is anger and contempt.
@@sinjin6219 brain washed retards
I'm glad to see somebody finally addressing this issue. Oregon is certainly not the only state struggling with the urban vs rural divide. I used to live in Paradise, CA before the Camp Fire destroyed our town in 2018. NorCal is certainly NOT SoCal, nor the Bay Area, & certainly not Sacramento either. We felt misrepresented or unrepresented with the state always prioritizing projects for those major metros long before we would see any of those funds in our smaller towns... especially with the highway system, or with water allocation, or with the vote for governor or president. We had much the same map you showed (OR governor race), the entire state red with a sliver of blue 40 miles wide along the coast & a couple liberal islands towards the interior. Just a pathetic picture of misrepresentation by area. For these reasons & many more, we were always hoping to become part of the State of Jefferson paired with Southern Oregon, with the capital in Yreka, but that never happened. When asked where we were from, we'd always say Far Northern Cal, since many didn't know how culturally different we were from the rest of the state, & we didn't wanna be labeled as snowflakes. In any case, city people have no business telling rural people how to live & vice versa. The voting system nationwide should assign a weight to the popular vote, to be factored against the weight of a per capita per square mile vote, for those issues where regional representation will come into question. The idea is to give back some voting power to the people who cover more land area (compensating for urban overpopulation & density growth). If we dont do anything... if we continue to ignore the voice of rural & suburban communities & alienate them, the division in this country will only get worse. That does not bode well for city people when you consider our food supply. We need our farmers, don't tick them off.
I live in the foothills of Calif. in a sparsely populated area of the state of Calif. We have the same problem. People do not realize that Calif is mostly rural with a small population compared to the cities that people think of when they speak of Ca.The people are for the most part conservative but due to the lack of numbers our voices are never heard! We even know what bathroom to use!!
People should stop whining about cultural issues and focuses on real issues aka Healthcare, education and infrastructure
How about an opt out for counties on any house bill that doesn't represent them...when you have misrepresentation
you always invite corruption and force your will on others.
Okay. Explain something to me. Why would an Oregon citizen whose county becomes a part of Idaho lose their hunting rights? They would just need to get an Idaho resident hunting license. And as long as they hunt in Idaho, they'll have the same hunting rights as any other Idaho citizen.
Here is Idaho I wish Oregon would solve it’s own’s problems. There’s empathy for eastern Oregon’s troubles being dominated. Idahoans don’t want Boise to have the scale of Portland’s problems. Nor is Idaho a liberal state. A lot of the people coming to Idaho are coming to get away from left coast issues
This is outstanding journalism. I am a rock-ribbed conservative who finds most of what passes for reporting these days shoddy and biased. You have raised the bar and have restored some of my hope for unbiased journalism.
I love this channel. Its one of the only news spurces that just reports on a story without left or right bias, allowing the viewer to create their own political beliefs.
Thank you for this story. I watched the whole series and It made me think of the decades old issue between the people of upper Michigan and lower Michigan. There has been a movement for many years in Michigans upper peninsula to secede from the lower peninsula and become the state of Superior. It will never happen of course but for a lot of the same reasons Oregons eastern pupulation wants a "divorce" from the state also exist in Michigan. Politicians need to remember they are elected to represent all their constituents and not just one side or the other.
I stumbled on this series by accident but am very interested in this topic. I was born in K Falls and raised in Pendleton as a 4th generation resident and still have property there. 20 years ago I moved to Colorado due to work and I can say that a very similar issue occurs here where the Denver/Boulder metro area dictates the way that the state goes.
I have always thought that Eastern Oregon should combine with Eastern Washington to form an individual state so this Idaho talk intrigues me. Several states are having similar issues with entire groups of counties feeling disenfranchised by the political power of their metro areas. Even the Nebraska Panhandle has talked about combining with Wyoming, so I doubt that there are many states that are immune to such conversations. The complaints of Eastern Oregon are decades old but are much more accute now with the political divides in the state. I believe one of the comments by the Grant County Sherriff is correct that a move to Idaho might be short-sighted as Boise might swing more liberal and drag the state with it. That said, if Eastern Oregon jumps to Idaho I will be moving back.
You are correct about that. This same problem of 'deep division' exist in many other States as well. Here is a list, { not complete though } Washington, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, Minnesota, Illinois, Nebraska, etc.
This isn’t just eastern oregon problem, it’s a south coast problem too, almost every county in Oregon would like to seperate from, Portland, Eugene , Salem , their views are not ours, we are still country folk, not city folk , it’s a politician problem, each one that gets in, forgets where they came from
I live in Northern California about 4 hours South of Lakeview Oregon. We have been to Lakeview & Klamath Falls several times. I hate living in CA and would love to live in Lakeview, Bonanza or Klamath Falls (all in Eastern Oregon) but will not even consider it as long as it is part of Oregon. I would just be exchanging one liberal, crazy, overreaching state government for another - no thanks! However, if these Oregon counties did become part of Idaho I would rent a U-Haul tomorrow and move there.
Just a bit of insight - I'm not the only person that feels this way. There are quite a few of us 'conservatives' in CA hoping this happens because we have alot in common with Eastern Oregonians & their plight (we have a government ment here that doesn't listen to us either).
So, if this movement succeeds I think you would see a population increase in the Eastern Counties. I am following the progress & hoping for a good resolution - Eastern Oregonians deserve better!
What needs to happen is that all 50 states need to be required to adopt a completely equitable system of representation along federal lines. Then all 50 states would be able to straighten out the messes that the current system has created. Then you could stay in Cali. The federal government would have to make the changes to the laws so this could be implemented by the states.
If you want to talk about Oregon's rural /urban divide then do not ignore the thousands of life long Oregonians who live within the Portland Metro area who have zero voice to advocate for them. Yes the majority of people living within Portland are stupid but some of us still take offence at how the elected officials will do anything to please the mob. Thousands of small businesses were thrown to the wolves while Portland burned and still the government has done nothing to show that their tax dollars meant a thing.That is taxation without representation.
I grew up in small town Oregon, and have since lived and traveled extensively in multiple big cities and rural areas all across the country. My viewpoint is that city folks are a bit niave about rural life and what its like to lose power regularly or lose a loved one because its a fifty minute drive to the closest decent hospital, but rural folk on the other hand live in a total fantasy land, a non-stop libertarian fever dream of imaginary grievances and culture war issues they made up on the spot. All in spite of rural areas being completely dependent upon the tax base of big cities.
If y'all can find the common ground with the level of sheer disconnect from reality rural Republicans are in the midst of, well I'll be legitimately impressed.
couldn't have said it better myself. true, city folks are naive about a lot of aspects of rural life, like hunting for food, raising chickens etc.. but rural folks who are fed a constant stream of misinformation from right-wing and religious media think the city folks are hell-bent on destroying them, which is not even remotely true.
How do we allow more populated counties do what's right for them while still allowing the rural counties do what's right for them? Maybe we should some of those highly disputed laws and make it a county law instead of a state law.
Really enjoyed this entire series and the coverage brought to it, and especially Pat's final sentiments expressed at the end. I learned a lot. This seems to be a great example of good quality journalism that, while openly partial, is compassionate and is willing to voice other opinions. Great story that did more good than harm.
Build a fence around Portland and don’t let them out
Great reporting on the two different areas of Oregon West and East. It seems to me a simple solution is to allow eastern Oregon countries to follow different interpretations of state laws. Our laws should apply where it's appropriate.
oh so when laws affect or don't affect YOU, they should be changed - GOT IT
I don't live in Oregon but my father and his brothers were born and raised there. I think this is an excellent series, very thoughtful, interesting, fair, and balanced. I tend to side with the easterners. Part of the founding of the US was because of lack of representation, just as in eastern Oregon now. There are similar issues between rural and urban California, too.
What was the name of the Supreme Court case(s) where SCOTUS determined states can’t do what the federal house and senate did?
I’m curious as well.
Did Paul say financial members or matters? The Organisation of Oregon Counties or those 11 counties that voted to leave should get together and publish a report about the good and bad of leaving Oregon. I am still waiting for someone official from Idaho to speak up.
Oh, so a few people living in rural areas that contribute very little to the tax base, will get as much power as thousands of people doing most of the supporting of the state's services? Idiotic. U.S. Senate is already unfair because of this (Wyoming having as much power as California.... Puhleeeeeeze), let's not mess up Oregon, too.
Equity is applied to everything these days except when it comes to different cultures like Eastern Oregon. Portland-Metro will suppress this region just because it's different from them, doesn't vote like them, etc.
I lived in Oregon until I went into the Navy in 1980, but I have always identified as a native Oregonian.
This is a fascinating series. I hope something DOES happen, politically.
There IS a problem. Changing the politics for the entire state just because there's a problem on the west side IS NOT appropriate.
There is NOT equal representation on both sides of the Cascades.
I appreciate the different point of views, very good coverage. Nothing like educating people.
The problem highlighted in this series has been snowballing since the end of Tom McCall's service as governor of the state.
The population based metric is designed to represent people; not wealth and/or real estate holdings.
The suggestion that we should neuter Oregon's Citizens Initiative process in order to allow a portion of the state to essentially opt out of being governed is preposterous and irresponsible.
These "people out East" use and benefit more financially from government land use and agriculture programs, along with public lands and resources which we all collectively own as a state, than the vast majority of us. There's a huge imbalance there, but you don't hear "people out West" clamoring to end grazing on public lands or to cut off various subsidies (which we all pay into) for farmers and ranchers.
Unfortunately, you can't have it all; no matter where you live. Both urban and rural populations depend on each other, and no man is an island.
That's the reality they'll have to learn to live with all over the place.
Great series. I’m a native Oregonian having lived in only Eastern Oregon. I really only go west of the cascades to go to the coast. I’m very thankful that KGW is showing our east side thought. Now I’d like to know see why Portlanders think/votes the way they do. As a eastern Oregonian I just kind of assume they all must be all implants from California.
I’m still confused about what exactly y’all are upset about. Specifically what laws or regulations have been passed that is such an imposition on your lives?
@@stevenm732 If you watch entire video series, KGW and the people they are interviewing name multiple
@@saylerja1 I’ve watched them all. There was one specific law cited and it hasn’t been passed and isn’t likely to. That being a discussion around banning non bio diesel fuels. Which I for the record I think is a terrible idea.
@@stevenm732 For me personally. Measure 114 is my biggest concern right now, along with other policies that effect hunting opportunities. Covid restrictions are another one that come to mind. Remember I live in a county that is larger than some states with few people then cows. Nearest larger town is 120 miles away and I’m buying stuff at times that I can’t haul back in a Tesla. I’m not asking you to live like I do just asking for the same from you. Again just me I’m sure others all have their own opinions.
@@richwc1 I appreciate the reply and the specifics. Frankly the conversation has been reported in a way that is not productive. I haven’t familiarized myself enough with 114 to comment beyond I generally favor some restrictions to firearms. Universal back ground checks, raising the legal age to 21, and waiting times would be my 3 acceptable changes. Someone did mention an incident where a lady had a disgruntled ex boyfriend and wanted to purchase a firearm where a wait time could be detrimental to safety. That in conjunction with the long response times for law enforcement in rural areas has caused me to reconsider the wait time idea though so file that one away for the time being. As for limitation on ICE vehicle sales or diesel fuel I think that is the worst pathway towards electrification and I oppose the proposal to ban ICE vehicle sales and ban non-bio diesel. We will need ICE vehicles in some capacity pending massive improvements in charging, range, and performance in extreme hot/cold climates. The focus should be on energy generation and transportation and building thermal efficiency first. Storage capabilities after that. Then transportation infrastructure to accommodate electric vehicles. I’m also not familiar with the hunting impacts but the concern is noted.
You sir, should be our governor! Make that, president. Well explained!
Follow the money. Regardless of population the Oregon coast has hundreds if not thousands of expensive homes who pay property tax to Salem. The roads, fire protection and emergency response is up to the counties along the coast. Yet, the facilities along the coast are poor compared to the higher population areas.
Iguana
I really hope this is not the last episode of this story. I understand why they tried to make the gun law statewide. Ultimately, I believe if it is passed it will not work. I really hope someone takes the time to publish a report listing the good and bad of a Greater Idaho.
No taxation without representation.
Free monthly420 for eastern Oregon.
No solution, time for a divorce.
Given the recent draconian path Idaho is taking if you have daughters sisters mothers auntie or care at all about women or if your a doctor teacher librarian just move to Oregon if not Hand maids tale is that much closer to reality.
Well, here's what the backlash from this will be, inevitably. Eastern Oregonian ranchers and farmers will sell their claims and land to large corporations and LLCs... who won't need Salem's approval for anything, because they'll have plenty of representation in Washington. This is more or less what happened in California, except that Californian farming/ranching consortiums have far more economic clout, and can pretty much buy all the representation they need in Sacramento.
Representation is not achieved by votes, you buy it... been that way for ages.
Unfortunately there is no way to bridge the device with out both sides willing to sit down and work it out...talk about it all you want but the majority feels no need to
Thanks so much for doing this series, it is sorely needed. It is true that Greater Idaho will probably never happen but it does help shine a light on some of the problems. I know that the values from east to west are very different and that used to be OK with NW people, it was always a point of pride for me that we were a "live and let live" part of the country but that has shifted and I would have to lay blame on the west side residents. They feel that they are "enlightened" and must force east side residents to adopt their climate and societal changes. What I don't see is east side people trying to force west side people to change. In light of the info in this episode it seems that a change to making new initiatives only applicable to that county that voted for it would be a great compromise but I doubt that can even pass through state government. It seems that the west side idealists are intent on imposing their will on everyone......I REALLY hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Please, join Idaho. You'll enjoy the heck out of the final destination that Idaho is steering towards with its latest exciting policy changes that will prob.s suit y'all just fine.
If Eastern Oregonians really hate us that much, maybe we should all reconsider traveling or spending any money there. Something tells me the loss of all that tourism and revenue will make they reconsider their hatred real quick.
They don't hate you, you're just fragile enough to perceive it that way.
What a childish take.
@@ianfounds1373 But less childish than trying to break the state in half
@@charlesm2437 Wanting to be fairly represented is not childish - and that is the root of their ask. As to what I mean by that, you can see my post in the comments.
They don't HATE you.
They just hold you, and Portlanders in particular, in utter contempt......like all rational Americans.
It's only one country that causes all the trouble. And that county is Multnomah.
Get rid of Multnomah and Idaho residents will be scrambling to join "Greater Oregon". 😅😅
Yes, a statewide ballot measure would have to win a majority of
counties.
There Goes Oregon Money? Wheat! You Forgot “US” Western Oregon! Thanks!
No.
I used to be proud to be from Oregon.
Now, Oregon is the shame of the nation.
I am from Jefferson State.
Would you prefer it go back to whites only monument to colonization?
Interesting thing to consider, the last time that Oregon had a balanced budget the capitol was not in the hands of the current party. I'm reminded of the old trope " the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result". Seems germane to the conversation, but then codependence often keeps us from doing things differently.
I thought Oregon had a big surplus and Oregon is planing on giving it back to the tax payer as a kicker next year like they have most years in the past? What am I missing here?
I think you're on to something About each county voting on a bill
That time may have arrived; before the pop exploded on the west side of the state it was less of a problem because residents' voices in the legislature carried more or less equal weight. Those days are gone. Populous cities with all their money don't feel they owe rural residents a thing, that it was their decision to live out in the middle of nowhere and deserve to choke on it. That doesn't do much for unity of purpose, so each county is now left to fend for itself if it wants to pass initiatives that recognize the culture in these rural counties; however, I don't think it'll tip the balance away from the population centers re: who has influence in Salem. Any local initiatives will wind up having to be funded by local residents, and most of them don't have the money to finance them because all their money is going to the State in order for the State to tell them what to do.
Everything’s racist
It's disappointing to see this go to political or racial. I grew up in the city as a young individual and as I got older I moved to the country believe me there's a lot of difference .
You can restore or destroy.
If you live in an urban area and are falling for this pity party people put about rural please don't fall for it. I grew up in a rural area of Arizona I lived in rural area of Washington state and a rural area of New Mexico. I'm country and as a immigrant I actual work rural jobs. The cry for more political power from rural areas comes from those who own all the power in rural areas. Most rural areas has a small number of families that control the only industry or resource for the whole region. They hold all the political and important positions and usually benefit from slaving either immigrants or uneducated people to make their business profitable. This are the same people who call themselves ranchers because they go around in their F350 screaming at Mexicans doing the actual ranching. What they are trying in Oregon is what they always do. Using some fantasy of rural communities that doesn't exist to gain power by the pity of city folks that don't know the difference.
Same goes for the majors in the urban areas. They’re just not doing it from an f350.
How about throw criminals in jail and make Oregon great again
It seems such an obvious step...
Just wait until Tuesday. The biggest criminal in America is getting locked up.
So all the fascist capitalists? I'll start making chains.
@@MyrddinWyllt420 yes jail all the thieves, communist,socialist fascist and corrupt Multinational crony capitalist. Regular capitalism is awesome though.🤙
No wrong answer. All eastern counties should offer convicted felons a free move to Portland.
I dont agree, But i do respectfully listen. This same issue is going in red states and the small sections of blue or just different has to follow the laws that doesn't match their views or environment. (Conservative statement) lift yourself up by the boot straps and deal with it or law is law and vote if you dt like it. Majority rules democracy.. right?
It’s all about local people making their own decisions…liberals can’t leave people alone conservatives don’t want to confront the problem….it’s all good until it’s not
Crazy people doing crazy things.
Hey Pat, facts don't care about Eastern Oregon's feelings
Another childish take.
@@ianfounds1373 I have seen his comments on other news comment sections, always childish comments.
Of course nothing has been done. And nothing will be done. EXODUS
He's wearing stripes with a bow tie so you know he's an expert.
Given the rural/urban divide issues are at a fever pitch throughout the entire country, I’m left wondering is much of our country’s polarization and division comes down to that Supreme Court ruling that was mentioned. Seems like, east/west Oregon issues aside, that ruling needs to be critically reviewed. One vote does not mean literally one vote, it means equally distributed power and influence. Nobody should get more of a say than anyone else. That is tyranny by majority, which the U.S. was founded to address.
I lived in Clackamas county (2015-2019), moved to Ada county Idaho for work (2019-2023), and will be moving to Deschutes county at the end of 2023, again for work. While I’m not currently in Oregon, this topic directly affects me in one way or another. Thank you for taking the time to do a proper story on this. 1 minute sound bites just can’t address it in any reasonable way.
If you want an idea of what can happen in a place where people are NOT heard, look to Sri Lanka, or France. The major part of any compromise needs to come from the city folks in the Valley. And that compromise should come soon.
Seems like there should be a logical solution to many of the issues. But if what they want is to have equal representation based on something other than population, that is not Democracy. They do need fiscal help, but stop the right wing crap, it isn't helping.
Good thing we are not a democracy........
Which state between Oregon and Idaho has better Healthcare, better education, better infrastructure, cleaner waterways, cleaner air, etc in state rankings?
What does that have to do with West Oregon vs. East Oregon? You can't compare state rankings in this conversation. For example, Oregon has a better state rated Healthcare system, only because the Willamette Valley. However, Eastern Oregon by itself has a worse Healthcare system than Idaho. It is yet another reason why Eastern Oregon wants to break away from the west side. Another thing to remember, Kate Brown lowered the education standards in Oregon to make our ratings look better than they actually are. I'm not sure what you referring to when you mention infrastructure, but Idaho ranks near the top in the country for roads. Oregon lands somewhere in the middle. As far as clean air and water, Idaho is ranked number 2, and Oregon is number 9.........
I see the problem as your rights end where my nose begins and visa versa ...both sides feels like the other side is medaling in our rights however the majority feel like they can trampoline our options...I'm considered a right winger and I feel violated when people call me racist...we are all equal in the eyes of God and I am proud to have black amarica friends and illegal immigrant friends... nobody is better than another...the slander we are hit with because of our beliefs in rule of law and God is a tool to have the minority opinion squashed and shut up...in conclusion the only thing that can help is if the liberals squash those using false narratives and lies and if the conservatives squash the narratives and lies coming from the right. Trueth must be told with out belittling the opposing sides
If you don’t like it move
It would appear to me that the best solution is to allow the Idaho transition to go ahead to completion. It seems the divide of the factions is so great, that they are beyond a reasonable compromise. I don't live near there so I am just an outside observer, for what it's worth.
that will n ever happen and the only reason you want to secede into Idaho is so you'll finally win an election - just not enough people in E. Oregon and sededing will never happen
@@jeanineruby Like I said I don't live there. Try reading an entire comment before you reply.
5:36 Yep -- EVERYTHING comes down to race, doesn't it. EVERYTHING. Here's someone so unserious about the cultural dichotomy between urban and rural that they want to assign _race_ as a foundation for the difference between the two cultures -- which might come as a shock in Southern states where the black population predominates in rural settings and it's white liberals who man the big cities and state houses down there. "Jason" no doubt lives in one of Oregon's population centers, which like every other state has a metro-centric view of politics because, well, that's where the money is. It ain't about race, genius -- it's about the Golden Rule. The one with the gold rules.
I'm open to the idea of moving the capitol to Bend. I think there's merit in the idea of creating a more geographically central state capitol.
The Nation's Capital should also be moved to the center of the country. I think that's what the Founding Fathers intended. The reason it was put in DC because of course at the time that was the center of the country. Maybe if the Capitol was moved to Kansas then politicians of the opposite coasts would be forced to deal more with those issues that those terrible deplorables in flyover country are concerned about.
@@jeffchen1931 DC was established _precisely_ to avoid the certain undue influence of any state in which the nation's capital was located. If you wanted to move the capital you gotta move the District of Columbia along with it -- which would be a monumental expense running in the $hundreds of billions, and I guarantee you the taxpayer would foot the bill for all of it, not to mention the fight that would ensue by the State in which the DC would be located and thereby giving up its land and sovereignty to the Central Government. Yeah, that's a non-starter.
@@jeffchen1931 It WOULD be fun to watch lobbyists squirm though, after building their palaces on the Potomac and suddenly finding themselves thousands of miles away from the politicians they're bribing.
In an age of artificial intelligence, Zoom, Skype, remote working and all of modern technology, geography has no meaning. It's not about the amount of acreage of dirt within borders; it's about the number of individual persons within that border that matters. Farming is becoming corporate; no one can stop that. It's more efficient and can weather the significant risks of agriculture better than family farms.
Gonna be difficult if our leadership doesn't care and won't listen.
Recognizing privilege isn't for the purpose of browbeating people and calling them racist and feeling superior. The point is to be able to see when you have an unfair advantage, and for that to open up your mind and ears to what someone else is trying to tell you, even if it is difficult or makes you look back on your choices and votes with remorse.
I live in eastern Oregon and ya,I'm tierd of being dictated to ,from those who live in the cities,and having absolutely no say who our Governor is . I've be ridiculed left and right on social media for saying so by fellow Oregonians , I've lived here my whole life..thanks but no thanks.I love Oregon and have lived from one side to the other of the state ,so I'm not a clueless bumkin.Id love to be part of greater Idaho it would be the best thing for both sides .
Money talks more than votes and I really don't blame Eastern Oregonians for their sentiment.
You do have a say. You lost. That's how elections work. Dirt doesn't vote.
What exactly have you been dictated.
Nah. How bout you immigrate out. Goodbye.
You get the same vote as everyone else. I also lived in a state where my voted was always on the losing end. When there are two choices it is bound to happen often.
CAN'T HAPPEN YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE WITH BRAINS AND WELL YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS!
Wow that's crazy.. I wonder what the actual percentage of land is lived on by people in the entire U.S. I'm sure oregon is not the only state like that. Just where houses that people actual live on. Not including all the land these houses sit on just the people's location. Also if east oregon became Idaho and it's hunting season why would you need a oregon hunting license when now it's technically Idaho that you are a resident of? See how that makes no sense and is a stupid defensive
Things are thin everywhere, except ptown and surrounding areas, not much representation here at the coast either 😇
No ... permanent divorce. Ya broke it, with depraved indifference, and Oregon can't be glued back to wholesomeness. Oregon is.... waaaay ... gone.
This is real journalism. The rest of the media can and must take a lesson from this example.
1:00 Representatives vs Senate... OR is "tyranny of the majority"! In State vs Federal representation... You need both "per resident" and "per land area" representation!!!
Nope
Get rid of "voting by mail."
Indeed, getting rid of vote by mail would be a big step. Counties need to take back their power from the state. The federal case should be heard again as to how senate districts are arranged in states. The supreme court overstepped its bounds. The Constitution expresses no direction on how states would organize themselves in their respective legislatures. The frustration levels in the rural counties is extremely high and as long as the one-sided legislature and state government have control it’s unlikely we will see anything change for the good. It is up to the citizens of Multnomah county and most of the I five corridor to acknowledge. There’s a problem and make the changes needed to ease the burdens placed on rural citizens. It can’t come quick enough.
Jason needs to mature up. Not everything is about racism. This is about a voice that has been silenced for decades. Take your personal racism and find another country. We don't need anyone trying to create a racial divide.
Pray for you all in Oregon. Here in Washington Seattle controls the entire state, so we completely understand. Sadly the country will fail and the dollar will fail before these anti American people realize the damage they're doing.
I disagree just a bit. I think many of these people know exactly what they're doing.
@@danven1256 gen z morons have created a class of loud spineless cry babies that the democrat party is beholden to. Thats why the twitter outrage mob essentially runs our policy.
fullnelson- oh sure, the evil liberals in seattle want to kill the entire country. i'm sure that's what your radio, your tv set and your church preacher/pastor/whatever constantly tells you. keep bitching and whining, and hopefully the state will finally start charging you freeloaders who ride the free ferry across roosevelt lake like they charge us for riding the ferries on the west side.
You Wrecked Portland, NoW OREGON! Shame!
If I was fortunate to be free and able to live and subside in eastern Oregon I would keep quiet and not draw attention on the lovely lifestyle! LET IT GO EASTERN RESIDENTS! Look back at Tom Mcall warnings about overpopulation! Don't draw attention to it for crist sake! Pay your taxes and don't draw any crisis to Oregon.
Permanent mail in voting, Oregon is screwed!
Why there is 0 evidence of any fraud?
@@Easternoregon1 Who is overseeing it?
@@debra7653 If mail in voting had fraud thousands of people would be need to be in on it and all keeping the secret. Two people cant keep a secret. Think about it.
The people you elect at the county level and the secretary of state. It's worrisome that a voter such as yourself doesn't know this.
@@edcniranj Thank you, no kidding! They are all in the same club. People, "Elected" by mail in votes. You cannot possibly be this naive?!
As a 60 year, life long Oregonian with land on both sides of the Cascades, I plead with you on the west to NOT take a drive to eastern Oregon. It will serve no purpose other to exacerbate the issues.
It's quite humorous to see a far left media put a title to a video of using politics to solve a problem of politics. Hand picking comments, none of which address the real issue, but do fit the media's narrative.
I love youtube. Always some good comedy.
The title was:
Is there a political solution for bridging Oregon’s urban-rural divide?
Apparently the answer is NO if you are the one in power.
Individuals in Oregon's rural counties are EFFECTIVELY subject to state tax and law without representation in the state government. Taxation without representation has caused some political strife in our past, no?
The U.S. Senate is designed in such a way that allows each state's "perspective" to be of equal value - the U.S. Senate is a body designed to ensure DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT. It is absolutely unacceptable that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled against this ingenious structure being imitated by states. Overturn!
Edit: Upper-cased "effectively" for the nimrods who failed at reading comprehension.
They have representation that they elect directly. They lose at the polls because they're outnumbered. The victim act is getting oh so tired.
If we want we can also get around the ruling by giving the association of Oregon Counties more power. It will accomplish effectively the same thing. I live near John Day, and I think also Pats suggestion to make citizen initiatives pass county by county could also help a lot
@@RyanRuark did someone from the west side of the state really trying to talk about victimhood
Sounds like you want rules for thee but not for me. The east has their reps fairly distributed.
@@stevenm732Wrong. I would very much prefer rules for me but not for thee. That's the whole point; one set of rules does not work for every county across the state - i.e., those on the west side should not be dictating the rules for the east side and vice-versa.
As for the distribution of Senators, I defer to the Federlaist Papers and the founding fathers' reasoning in giving 2 U.S. Senate seats per state regardless of population.
How were people so obtuse about the various cultural landscapes within Oregon? Does anybody travel within the State. The ignorance and lack of perspective is overwhelming. Expose yourself to other points-of-view and have some sympathy.
This disconnect on behalf of the tyranny of the Western majority is astounding. Go meet people who actually work for a living...I mean...really work. You can find the same Eastern attitudes among the loggers, commercial fisherman and dairy farmers in nearby Tillamook County.
Genuine, hard-scrabble, patriotic folks exist...just not in the I-5 corridor.
DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, it's so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i'm in one of my favourite TV SHOWS. you should totally come on down to my studio apartment, it's got EXPOSED RED BRICK walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy ipa or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on adult swim! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the barcade- listen here, right, it's a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we're both getting snipped tomorrow at the hospital, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our FURBABIES. i'm fuckin JACKED man, i'm gonna SLAM this craft beer and pop open another one!!!