@@dalydegagne1839 why would I be sarcastic? You can fly an airplane without auto pilot and auto throttle. Also without a flight director. They created an emergency by landing overweight. You tell me, you think it safer to land overweight? Or to fly without automation and land somewhere else at a normal weight? Funny thing is, I’m in recurrent training and we discussed this. And out of 8 pilots, not one thinks he would’ve landed overweight and considers this an emergency situation.
How is it that so many “news” orgs and drama readers/commenters don’t recognize the differences between design/build (done once) and maintenance (once each for 10k’s of flights)?
I’m not sure why this was declared as an emergency. My brother was an airline captain and instructor. About 25 years ago he had this same problem on takeoff. His first officer started to request a return to the airport, and he stopped him and said get out your charts, this is a refresher course for you in how to do it the old fashioned way. There was no danger at all with the aircraft and they made a cross country flight from New York to Phoenix and were only about 10 minutes late getting there. Why do we think nowadays that if we have a computer glitch, we can’t figure out a workaround?
A couple comments have referenced SOPs and I can't speak to AA SOP's, but the Captain retains the authority to declare an emergency or not regardless of SOPs. With no familiarity of the 737 variant they were flying, I'd bet the loss of all autopilot/FD systems indicated a much more serious electrical or flight-computer issue. In other words, while they still had manual control of the aircraft, they probably had manual control in a reversion that, per the operations manual, put them in an emergency status. For example it may have gone something like: All the air data computers have faulted and disconnected. They were flying on standby instruments only. They were one single point of failure away from losing critical instrumentation. Hence, emergency declared.
@@yellow73914he would’ve mentioned other problems. He was pretty detailed. This is a weird reaction to this problem. Landing overweight is a bigger issue to me than losing automation.
Yeah no as a passenger (and dfw local) I'd expect the pilots to turn around if the equipment that kept us flying unexpectedly quit all at once no matter how good the pilots.
@@justmoritz It all depends on what was lost and when. Today, loss of the autopilot is probably a turn around and go back. 50 years ago, it probably wasn't. Hell, 80-90 years ago they didn't even have autopilots.
Wow! We use to sometimes cross the Atlantic Ocean on the DC-8 with autopilot inoperative and we never thought it was a big deal! I feel sorry for the modern pilots, they lost all the basic skills
Sure thing bud, but it's the future now and there's more planes, more redundancy and a WHOLE lotta less accidents now and I sure as heck expect pilots to treat passenger safety first and not their egos. But then again I'm a woke sjw so there's that ;)
@@justmoritz Just not woke enough to accept realities of flying. In order to be proficient it takes practice. Once you gained proficiency it takes practice. Automation does do a great job within its limitations. Have a windy gusty day automation may help kill you. During my first 20+ years of airline flying using the auto pilot in the simulator was a rare occurrence. You were expected to fly and think at the same time. You were expected to be able to hand fly an ILS to 100’ because we were permitted to fly CAT2 without autopilot but auto throttles had to be used. Automation will manage your descent so you won’t fly yourself in to a mountain like TWA514 did. It would probably prevent you from thinking ATC had cleared you to 400’ rather than the “Two Four Zero Zero”feet in the predawn dark over unlit terrain. Then ignoring the GPWS for 29 seconds until someone called out 100’ about two seconds before they died seven miles from the airport. Then we have the F/O that kept the auto pilot on to about 200’ when they had. the runway in sight way out. The conditions were gusty and bumpy but the crosswinds were far from the limits. My rule is get the auto pilot off no later than the OM. The time from autopilot off was too short for the pilot to get his hand flying act together. The result was a destroyed airplane and two dead pilots. Yep, the company switched the automation policy for the pilots to hand fly the airplane when conditions permit.
@@LOTUG98 no chance. They don’t sound black or Hispanic. DEI is hiring blacks or Hispanics or the “non-binary LGBQABCDEFG” who are not qualified over someone who is white and well qualified. These pilots are very qualified and FJB.
These are old aircraft and has so much more to do with maintenance than Boeing. Boeing has nothing to do with shitty maintenance. It’s ridiculous how many uneducated and uninformed comments there are from people who have no clue about commercial aviation.
Professionalism at its best. Thanks y’all for keep us safe.
Professional pilots, professional ATC! Thanks for the fine video, ATC AUDIO! 😀
Thanks for watching!😉
Just incredible…it makes you realize just how well trained everyone is!
@@fldiggerbut they can’t fly without automation? Maybe they need some more training.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I hope you are being sarcastic. Otherwise your comment is - I have no words.
@@dalydegagne1839 why would I be sarcastic? You can fly an airplane without auto pilot and auto throttle. Also without a flight director.
They created an emergency by landing overweight. You tell me, you think it safer to land overweight? Or to fly without automation and land somewhere else at a normal weight?
Funny thing is, I’m in recurrent training and we discussed this. And out of 8 pilots, not one thinks he would’ve landed overweight and considers this an emergency situation.
Pilot : "lost all automations as far as FD and autothrottle"
ATC : "very good !"
made my day 😁
How is it that so many “news” orgs and drama readers/commenters don’t recognize the differences between design/build (done once) and maintenance (once each for 10k’s of flights)?
Duh what iz dat?
Love " the tower is being a butt!!!!"
For being so overweight he sure stopped quickly. He had half the runway left. That how you get brake fires.
I wonder if they used the thrust reversers for a more prolonged period to slow the aircraft during the initial rollout.
I'm sure runway was long to prevent that.
How so?
Overweight landing using max reverse and min braking, using most available runway.
My CB does that too!!
I’m not sure why this was declared as an emergency. My brother was an airline captain and instructor. About 25 years ago he had this same problem on takeoff. His first officer started to request a return to the airport, and he stopped him and said get out your charts, this is a refresher course for you in how to do it the old fashioned way. There was no danger at all with the aircraft and they made a cross country flight from New York to Phoenix and were only about 10 minutes late getting there. Why do we think nowadays that if we have a computer glitch, we can’t figure out a workaround?
Called SOPs, company more than likely does not allow the flight to continue and wants the plane to be landed ASAP. too many lives at risk
A couple comments have referenced SOPs and I can't speak to AA SOP's, but the Captain retains the authority to declare an emergency or not regardless of SOPs. With no familiarity of the 737 variant they were flying, I'd bet the loss of all autopilot/FD systems indicated a much more serious electrical or flight-computer issue. In other words, while they still had manual control of the aircraft, they probably had manual control in a reversion that, per the operations manual, put them in an emergency status. For example it may have gone something like: All the air data computers have faulted and disconnected. They were flying on standby instruments only. They were one single point of failure away from losing critical instrumentation. Hence, emergency declared.
@@yellow73914he would’ve mentioned other problems. He was pretty detailed. This is a weird reaction to this problem. Landing overweight is a bigger issue to me than losing automation.
Yeah no as a passenger (and dfw local) I'd expect the pilots to turn around if the equipment that kept us flying unexpectedly quit all at once no matter how good the pilots.
@@justmoritz It all depends on what was lost and when. Today, loss of the autopilot is probably a turn around and go back. 50 years ago, it probably wasn't. Hell, 80-90 years ago they didn't even have autopilots.
Pilot : I'm always overweight. 😁
Certainly if its an american pilot 😂
Emergency? no Autopilot? I am surprised they didn't bail out....
Is there ANYTHING that Boeing aircraft aren't losing lately?
A clownish comment.
@@RLTtizME I guess you work for that outfit!
@@libertyone5853 So explain your shoes to us….
It's just a matter of time before all 737's are grounded for good.
You are a terrible predictor of the future.
@@RLTtizMEthat was not a MAX.
@@PeterNGloor He said "ALL" Orville.
Wonder if airlines are still thinking those cheap Boeing AC's were such a great deal after all.
Yes, they were. Airbus ACs have had many more issues. Ridiculous comment.
Nothing to do with it .
@@Kalikus808hmmm. Both have issues, depends on what month it is .
Boeing 737-800 are old planes, and maintenance becomes the issue !!! !
Such a stupid comment
Wow! We use to sometimes cross the Atlantic Ocean on the DC-8 with autopilot inoperative and we never thought it was a big deal! I feel sorry for the modern pilots, they lost all the basic skills
That must have been when pilots flew airplanes!
Sure thing bud, but it's the future now and there's more planes, more redundancy and a WHOLE lotta less accidents now and I sure as heck expect pilots to treat passenger safety first and not their egos. But then again I'm a woke sjw so there's that ;)
@@justmoritz Just not woke enough to accept realities of flying. In order to be proficient it takes practice. Once you gained proficiency it takes practice. Automation does do a great job within its limitations. Have a windy gusty day automation may help kill you. During my first 20+ years of airline flying using the auto pilot in the simulator was a rare occurrence. You were expected to fly and think at the same time. You were expected to be able to hand fly an ILS to 100’ because we were permitted to fly CAT2 without autopilot but auto throttles had to be used. Automation will manage your descent so you won’t fly yourself in to a mountain like TWA514 did. It would probably prevent you from thinking ATC had cleared you to 400’ rather than the “Two Four Zero Zero”feet in the predawn dark over unlit terrain. Then ignoring the GPWS for 29 seconds until someone called out 100’ about two seconds before they died seven miles from the airport. Then we have the F/O that kept the auto pilot on to about 200’ when they had. the runway in sight way out. The conditions were gusty and bumpy but the crosswinds were far from the limits. My rule is get the auto pilot off no later than the OM. The time from autopilot off was too short for the pilot to get his hand flying act together. The result was a destroyed airplane and two dead pilots. Yep, the company switched the automation policy for the pilots to hand fly the airplane when conditions permit.
It’s just software.
Phew!
Big whoop you declare an emergency because of automation? You should hand fly more and keep the A/Ts off.
These pilots, can't fly manual😂
You can’t drive manual….so….
Heaven forbid, just be a real pilot, use your "stick and rudder" skills if you still have them and hand fly the plane. No emergency required.
If autopilot died, what else died they don't know about?
Good thing pilot wasn't a DEI hire...
DEI is atrocious and FJB.
He could of been. There's no way to tell
@@LOTUG98 no chance. They don’t sound black or Hispanic. DEI is hiring blacks or Hispanics or the “non-binary LGBQABCDEFG” who are not qualified over someone who is white and well qualified. These pilots are very qualified and FJB.
Can you imagine if he was a woke DEI hire and a communist party member? Just trying to get all the trigger words out
Be careful, you are showing how successful your brainwash program was.
Do. Not. Get. On. A. Boeing. Airplane!
N812NN was delivered in 2009 and it's NOT a MAX, so, shuuuuut up, dude...
These are old aircraft and has so much more to do with maintenance than Boeing. Boeing has nothing to do with shitty maintenance. It’s ridiculous how many uneducated and uninformed comments there are from people who have no clue about commercial aviation.
Your.periods.have.gone.berserk. Stroke?
Wtf is going on with Boeing 😮