the actual sad part about this from what I've seen. Concord, at least from a technical standpoint, doesn't appear to have any big issues. it's just that no one wants to play it.
enough technical issues for people to not play it apparently. (I.e. clunky movements, hero apprearences, political underlying culture within the game etc.)
That would be the case if people were quitting it or didn’t go back from beta, but the beta numbers themselves were small, that means that the game just haven’t attracted players initially. And that in turn means that it’s failure is not because of the gameplay
At least when I tried to play it during the open beta I was only able to get single digit frames. My PC is admittedly on the older side but there's no reason I can play the Mechabreak alpha at a solid 30 and Concord at an average 5.
@@WynorrificI worry that their apparent trend chasing with allegedly switching to Hero characters instead of customization is just going to dilute the product further. It could be yet another game that started development when the GAAS money hose seemed infinite and took so long to launch that it missed the boat.
@@atomic_wait it was already trend chasing with being a battle royale/extraction shooter. Those trends have either passed or settled as big games in the genre took over. They probably did heroes to chase that trend on top of that, but it's just a bad step regardless.
Marathon at least seems to have a FAR more interesting artstyle and aesthetic, and I don't expect Bungie to miss on the FPS gunplay and movement front. As long as it's free to play I don't see Marathon crashing and burning like this.
Breaking news: Publishers send developers dictionaries pre-bookmarked to the word Fun. They just discovered both those things exist. Results of this action? Pending.
It's the lighting. In their attempt to be "realistic" it's just all... washed out and hideous. The designs aren't great, but the lighting is just... *unpleasant.*
@@The5lacker It's also the clash of realistic designs and overly stylized outfits and colors. They should've picked on and stick with it, this odd mesh does not work.
@@Movel0Yeah, looks like real people wearing cartoony cosplay outfits. In theory I like the idea of a 70s sci fi aesthetic but the 70s quality seems to mostly be in the kind of pastel/desaturated color palette.
These characters acting and sounding as though they’re hyper stylized while also looking like regular ass people in cosplay is (I think) a major part of the reason these character designs are so awful. They aren’t just in the uncanny valley, they’re in the uncanny Mariana Trench
I'm pretty sure that is on purpose. The characters are intentionally campy. The aesthetic is retro sci-fi, obviously taking inspiration from Alien and Guardians of the Galaxy
TBF, this is a spin off of the whole Bungie saga. I think Sony were getting hood winked left and right when they went on this live service kick a while back.
Sony/Firewalk needed to be WAYYY more receptive to the reaction the game got. Not talking about the people who went overboard to hate on it for political reasons or whatever, but rather the complete lack of interest from the general audience. Especially with the disastrous open beta numbers. If they delayed for a few months or even a year, retooled it as a FTP game with some reworked character designs and then marketed it better (or at all lol), it might've had a chance. But yeah, it's far too late now for any meaningful course correction.
@@ashb7Delay from business perspective is often not an option. If you already spent money, and have to spent more (X employees times their salary times months of delay plus addition marketing budget) it might be better to just release the game and write it off as loss. As there is no guarantee that delay will make it a profit. It might be less of a loss. This is so many games over years we’re released in poor state to the point EA was accused by investors about one of the BF releases. CDPR if I’m not mistaken also had similar lawsuit.
Seriously, I thought it was going to be something like Borderlands which I would have been totally up for but turns out it's yet another 5v5 shooting game.
Same. I was actually impressed at the quality of the cinematic, though it was definitely trying a little too hard to be GotG. The characters looked weird and different, there was a heist, everything appeared to be very high-quality. Once the PvP gameplay started rolling, I immediately tuned it out.
Honestly, that Concord part better be good. However, considering that no one's drumming up any interest and the writing along with the overall design of the characters struggling to resonate with anyone, all signs are pointing to Concord's story in Secret Level ending up being mediocre at best. Edit: nvm game's dead
Naiko I agree. And that is hilarious. Why should they be making an animation for a game that is so new anyways? The title hasn't earned its inclusion in the show, it was merely paid for by Sony for advertising.
They could've done a really great story on any of the immense lore in Destiny and they went with the "we have guardians of the galaxy at home" game. Unbelievable
On top of the lackluster character designs, I find their actual personalities completely unappealing. The endless quips, zingers and "banter," it's like no one is capable of talking normal or acting genuine for even a moment. Compare the announcement trailers of Concord and Overwatch and look at how the characters present themselves - it's night and day. Overwatch characters are bursting with sincerity. It's my least favorite trend in modern media, the way every protagonist and sidekick needs to be overly sarcastic and self aware at all times
Yeah, modern writers are so fucking embarrassed of just being genuine; it's like they're ashamed of the genres they even write for. It's gotten tiring. Too many of them grew up with Whedon and reality TV.
Worse actually, they all practically stamped from the same saccharine personality. At least in other hero shooter you can spot the edgy brooding and super serious straight man type. I couldn't even tell which one is the most evil here.
Honestly i think the best comaprison when it comes to characters is Apex. Apex has paraplegics, an old guy, a plus sized female, a non-gender binary, and a plethora of other representation but they dont look offputting and they sound like real people. Like Valkyrie is a lesbian but she just sounds like a cocky fighter pilot from a top gun movie. Her personality just makes sense with her backstory. Same with Bloodhunt, Ballistic, and others.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to justify spending $40 on the game. The game does look pretty fun to me though, but then I would have to convince my three friends who own PS5s to buy it which seems unlikely.
As someone who loved Destiny and Halo PvP, I am really enjoying the game. I had no idea this game was getting so much hate because I live under a rock apparently. The game is fun though, I hope it doesn't die
I still remember Paul Tassi saying her couldn't believe that Concord is doing worst like he legit thought there was a bug in Steam charts based on his Tweet. Dude went from coping to acceptance in just days.
nah, zero sympathy for the the devs. They knew everyone hated their designs, they had to delay the game for years after the beta to fix everything. but they just released it and are proud of it. nah. they deserve this.
I feel like a documentary on the decisions that led to this game would be both fascinating and horrifying. It's an astonishing product. Everything about it seems scientifically engineered to be as bland and unappealing as possible. It passes through the mind like a light wind, moving nothing and leaving no impression. Even the title is boring. But somehow, somewhere, a group of people with a whole lot of money were convinced that this was going to be the next big thing. That kind of disconnect genuinely needs to be studied
Steven Spielberg had a famous interview like a decade ago where he predicted a huge film industry crash. Essentially he said that you're going to hit a point where a substantial number of high profile, extremely expensive films will come out and utterly bomb to the point where the film industry implodes. I feel like we're 2 or 3 Suicide Squad-sized failures away from that happening in video games. And obviously Concord is WAY more dramatic a failure than Suicide Squad.
whenever a studio like Sony says "we've been working on this for 8 years so it must be good!" you should really hear "we are a bunch of money hungry execs that don't understand that games have to be fun for people to play them so instead we decided to chase an already dead trend because we only think in terms of money, all the while fucking over the devs which eventually only ended up getting like 2 actual real terms years to get something shipped because we couldn't decide what we wanted them to do and we didn't let them deviate from our nebulous so called 'plan' at all. what are you talking about the game is bad? the devs clearly didn't do a good job then, lets fire them"
Ignorant take: If Sony were to abruptly cancel the roadmap, stop any development on the game, refund any purchase (not that there were many to begin with) and make the whole project a tax write-off... I don't even think many customers would be that upset. And it would probably cost Sony less money than keeping it "alive" for months.
Yeah like how Sega pulled the plug on Creative Assembly’s Hyenas. And honestly Hyenas looked like it had waaaaaaay more potential than Concord - the characters weren’t awful, and actual new game modes that isn’t copied and pasted from other pvp shooters of the last 2 and a half decades…
Taxc writeoffs don't work like you think they do. You don't recoup the money you spent on a writeoff. You just get tax money back but the money you spent you don't get back.
They should take this route. Maybe even offer people who bought the game in the first month $40 worth of mtx currency for Firewalk next game if it’s gonna be another multiplayer game which is likely
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2ncstill there is a chance that this will be less of a loss for Sony than trying to support and do something with this game. It will be the stop loss move, by not investing any more money in this game.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc No duh, of course it doesn't work like that. That would be ludicrous if you actually could get your money back like nothing happened. The idea is to salvage what can be salvaged from a shipwreck, cauterize the open wound, own the L and move on.
@AdisonTeixeira it's "fine" in respect to not being canned, sure. But no one knows what's going to happen when it launches, and I wouldn't call that "fine." F2P online PvP is such a competitive market with existing IP's and extraction shooters came and went. Marathon is looking like a huge gamble right now
I so desperately want a behind-the-scenes documentary just to see what kind of thought process was going on when they conceived and approved those character designs.
Sadly, it needed to fail - otherwise, the practice of charging money up front for live service games dependent on exclusively pvp would've become the new industry norm. A game like this needed an offline campaign to even have a ghost of a chance.
Hey Paul, i think there's another factor at play here. People are getting fed up with live services and bunch of things happened this year that have set a bad precedent. Ubisoft shutting down The Crew got a bunch of people riled up and look at all the Destiny 2 stuff. I think people got a look at what the end of the road looks like and they're over it. Beating a dead horse here but why tf would ANYONE buy Ubisoft Skull & Bones when they were pulling the plug on The Crew during that same month? What reason does the consumer have to trust Ubisoft aren't just going to do the same with Skull & Bones?
These where ex Bungie devs more specifically people who worked on Destiny 1, Destiny Taken King & Destiny 2 how did they thought Concord was a game with any potential & how did it got so far withing development? Did it not get play tested? Did no one at the studio stand up to say anything about the game just not having anything special nor remotely good about it?
Hero appearances are the big enough reason NOT to play the game. Why would anyone want to spend $$$ to play as an unattractive ugly character with pronouns. I can play a game similar like OverWatch 2 or Valorant and play as an attractive character. There is other competition out there and Concord is forgetting that. Executives and devs are out of touch.
I really don’t understand how people look at this game and think it looks terrible. I love the art direction. Some things could use work, but to call it a complete visual failure feels cartoonishly extreme.
I don't know how nobody stopped them and said "This looks lame. It plays okay, but it looks like a brown paper bag." Market and focus testing shouldn't be an industry north star, but this game almost seems like it was made in a vacuum.
@@GamingRobioto This game was a Jim Ryan baby. So the rank and file should suffer for his mistakes while he takes his stock options and fat retirement checks and leaves the hard working employees on a precipice. Not hardly. I don't agree with your IMO at all. Not at all.
@@wolvesanBungie needs to abandoned that game and just move on. It has a 0% chance of success. No amount of hyping can save that pathetic excuse for a game project.
No one is going to play a hero shooter who's heroes look like people you would absolutely HATE to have to deal with in the real world. All of these characters are walking stereotypes of the most annoying kind of insufferable individuals. Furthermore, your heroes need to look like they at least belong where they are, and most of them look like they would struggle to walk up a flight of stairs, let alone run around with a full kit and weapon for 15 minutes. It's really that simple. I played the beta on PS5, and the minute to minute gameplay is perfectly serviceable. I just don't want to be IN a game with any of these heroes, let alone play AS any of these heroes.
While there's a vocal minority that is truly anti-woke, most gamers just want fun, good-looking games and there's definitely a trend of diversity being used as shield against criticism about how your game looks. If people can't give internal criticism without fear of offending someone then bad ideas are going to languish until they eventually crash against reality in a spectacular way like we see here.
The best part about Concord is that it makes people look back on Avengers fondly in comparison. This is a company made up of shooter veterans who are learning the hard way that artists who are creatively well rounded outside of knowing the mechanics of playing samey multiplayer gun battles are just as important as people who are obsessed with making money off of creating another entry in a tired genre. Most studios are formed because they genuinely have a unique voice they want to make heard, want to bring something to the table that people have never seen before. Firewalk came together to try and make a fortune off of other people's good ideas and banked on us not noticing.
Concord looks unappealing. Overwatch looks much more interesting. But they look similar. I cannot work out what the difference is. It's not just one aspect, like the characters. Everything is off somehow. Someone more artistic than me would have to explain it.
A series of events happened in the same week: the bombing of Concord and Dustborn, the cancellation of Star Wars Acolyte, the mass layoffs and facility closure of Bud Lite... all of them have a common theme. And then, you can contrast the failures of Concord and Dustborn with the success of Black Myth: Wukong, which went the opposite direction in certain issues. It seems like... the universe is trying to tell you something if you can just put everything together and see the bigger picture.
@@nerag7459 Coming from a Indian guy ,I dont care if the protag is white,black,brown, etc, etc , characters just have to be beautiful and without "the message"
The biggest issue to me were the designs. The best they could on for some of these chars was a poncho. Or like a normal red dress. Like, what am I supposed to infer when I look at it? Assassin, Tech, Magical?!
Fuck yea, push back against the industry finally. Ngl, something about 2024 summer that finally broke everyone. The "enough is enough" mantra is flourishing.
If they made Destiny 3 that would actually require them to try and not phone in a half baked game. You know damn well Bungie wouldn't give up an opportunity to run the same scams they ran in past launches with a batch of newer people once again.
@@Nina-ld7wzrequire them to try? why? they launched d1 and d2 barebones as fuck and seemed to do ok, they can probably do it again, the player base doesn't seem to mind lol
0:55 Almost everyone who saw the presentation a few months ago realised immediately that this game would fail miserably. The viewers are obviously smarter than the Sony suits.
Its hilarious honestly sony big wigs think their smarter then their customers what a laugh the fact they went thru with it is even more hilarious. The only thing they accomplished was proving just how stupid they really are.
Let's be real, at that point the writing was on the wall and even the sony guys knew this would fail. I guess they just hoped it wouldn't go quite as badly as it did
Played Concord in the open beta. There's a number of devs whom I have a TON of respect for in this industry. After literally ONE match, I knew this game was doomed. As you said, they take components from a number of others games and don't do ANY of them better than the original. R.I.P.
I don't like it when people call it "woke trash" because there are so many problems you could dive into and that description just doesn't do anything to delve into the actual problems and reasons why this game failed.
But it is woke trash with ugly, unappealing characters. Having the other issues doesn't change that. Games that intentionally include woke trash deserve to fail.
The problem is, ppl looked at it, thought it was woke trash and decided not to buy it based on what it looked like. Doesn't matter if it is or isn't, perception is king. And the stories of the "professor" that have been reported provide that critique some weight.
@@TitusAndromadon What about insulting Whites and calling people that don't buy it names? This dev company is beyond stupid. Reject any game that accepts Sweet Baby or Blackrock money.
@@TitusAndromadonno, people saw a hero shooter and turned away. Marathon's in the same boat. For some reason, the weird ones were hoping it would be full of naked women for them to wack off to instead of going outside and then they got mad and said "go woke, go broke".
lmao you're so coasting on your bigotry thinking that the terrifying boogeyman that is diversity was the cause of the game's fail. Play for yourself then see that the game IS bad and too expensive.
The nr1 issue is always characters. The characters are repulsive genetic freaks with pronouns in their name, virtually no one (who is a consumer) wants this. Obviously this is meant to copy OW, OW characters have a lot of "fans" who do not play the game. People flock to aesthetically pleasing designs, always. OW's "not so sexy" characters are also heavily stylized and look cool, not disgusting like wtf that emari or w/e is in concord.
The marketing doesn't help... just look at the dull rubber textures and pastels on all the character showcases. They look like you zoomed too close to a ship in EVE online, not a 2024 AAA paid game.
@@sethious1 Or maybe don't launch it as a live service. Pull back on the Hero shooter shoehorned in stuff. Let it be its own game instead of chasing trends that will be inevitably tired by the time it launches years later. There's nothing wrong with taking cues from successful titles, obviously, but the kinds of cues they're drawing from seem like they have a half life of two years or so. You need a much faster dev cycle to stay relevant.
@@atomic_wait you can tell who plays pvp/live service in general by this comment. The issue isn’t hero shooter. Deadlock, Marvel Rivals, Split gate are all hero shooter & will be successful the problem w concord is that it’s a hero shooter w ass/mediocre hero design. Why would someone pay $40 for a hero shooter that have ass/mid design when they can play valorant, apex, marvel rivals or overwatch all of them being hero shooters but better hero design & free. Not exactly sure who at firewalk or Sony thought charging $40 was the move but that alone was the death nail. Outside major pvp franchise like Cod, battlefield it’s not common sense to charge for a pvp only game & even those like battlefield could be F2P if we look at Delta Force which is essentially a battlefield clone that will be F2P (& that game will be a hero shooter & succed unless there’s any major game issue)
It's hubris, one of the best things about Bungie and the reasons the game lasted so long was it's community managers and dedication to improving their games once they got feedback. Firewalk and Sony never showed they cared about feedback from the shooter audience ever since the game was announced.
It got properly announced 2 months ago, they didn't have time to make any meaningful changing even if they want to. The hubris lies in them believing 100% that the game would be a hit
@@AdisonTeixeira I dunno man, for example with Bungie they would come out and say we are 'listening'' to your feedback. Same with the Helldivers 2 devs. It's sometimes not about changing it day one but showing you are willing to work with the community. That's what people are used to.
@@AdisonTeixeira also perhaps giving it two months before launch was also an issue? Maybe launch a few days after the reveal would have been better? Not like the beta was really needed as the game was really polished.
@@ed61730 On the contrary, they should have revealed the gameplay way sooner than two months from launch, to allow the studio to respond the feedback properly.
It's a good lesson for devs to learn. Games are products and if you make a product nobody wants, then nobody will buy it. What is the value proposition on offer here? Buy it just bcoz it's new? It looks worse than the 'free' competition in its genre.
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in the next few moments this video will have more viewers than concord has players
Oh no, it's so true...
Pretty soon this video will have more comments than # of players on Steam
The all-time peak for Concord on Steam is 697, this video has currently been watched by over 5x the number of people. And it's only been up an hour 😂😭
I think even your comment will have more likes than concord has player
OPs comment will have more likes than Concord players by the end of the day
the actual sad part about this from what I've seen. Concord, at least from a technical standpoint, doesn't appear to have any big issues. it's just that no one wants to play it.
enough technical issues for people to not play it apparently. (I.e. clunky movements, hero apprearences, political underlying culture within the game etc.)
That would be the case if people were quitting it or didn’t go back from beta, but the beta numbers themselves were small, that means that the game just haven’t attracted players initially. And that in turn means that it’s failure is not because of the gameplay
@@hectornieves537 The only thing you mentioned that could be considered a technical issue was "clunky movements", and that may be a DESIGN issue.
Well when barely anyone is playing the game, hard to have any server problems. 😆
At least when I tried to play it during the open beta I was only able to get single digit frames. My PC is admittedly on the older side but there's no reason I can play the Mechabreak alpha at a solid 30 and Concord at an average 5.
Marathon peeps quaking in their collective boots right now.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens when it inevitably launches
@@WynorrificI worry that their apparent trend chasing with allegedly switching to Hero characters instead of customization is just going to dilute the product further. It could be yet another game that started development when the GAAS money hose seemed infinite and took so long to launch that it missed the boat.
Dead on arrival
@@atomic_wait it was already trend chasing with being a battle royale/extraction shooter. Those trends have either passed or settled as big games in the genre took over. They probably did heroes to chase that trend on top of that, but it's just a bad step regardless.
Marathon at least seems to have a FAR more interesting artstyle and aesthetic, and I don't expect Bungie to miss on the FPS gunplay and movement front. As long as it's free to play I don't see Marathon crashing and burning like this.
I mean if they paid me $40 to play it I still wouldn’t want to
Same… 😂👍
facts 😂
Breaking News: Marathon de-pivots from a Hero-based to custom characters extraction shooter
Breaking News: Marathon removes degeneracy from game, DEI is gone.
@@wiliestrogue2924yeah right, that’s an actual smart move. They wouldn’t do that
Breaking News: Marathon completely dropped, focus on Destiny 2 (3) renewed.
Breaking news: Publishers send developers dictionaries pre-bookmarked to the word Fun. They just discovered both those things exist. Results of this action? Pending.
Lots of opportunities for headlines, though:
'This Concord couldn't take off'
'Concord: sour grapes'
You're wrong Paul, there IS another game that failed as bad, if not worse, than this one: Dustborn.
Did Dustborn cost $400 million?? Plus the Sony acquisition of Firewalk makes this over half a billion
The art style and character models in Concord are just so hard to look at.
It's the lighting. In their attempt to be "realistic" it's just all... washed out and hideous. The designs aren't great, but the lighting is just... *unpleasant.*
@@The5lacker It's also the clash of realistic designs and overly stylized outfits and colors. They should've picked on and stick with it, this odd mesh does not work.
@@Movel0Yeah, looks like real people wearing cartoony cosplay outfits. In theory I like the idea of a 70s sci fi aesthetic but the 70s quality seems to mostly be in the kind of pastel/desaturated color palette.
@@atomic_wait Bad retro sci-fi medias if you scrub all the things that evokes underdog sympathy
@@The5lacker Are you high🤦♂️ it's not the lighting that's the issue
These characters acting and sounding as though they’re hyper stylized while also looking like regular ass people in cosplay is (I think) a major part of the reason these character designs are so awful. They aren’t just in the uncanny valley, they’re in the uncanny Mariana Trench
Mariana's Trench an astute way to describe it.
That's not true NOBODY wants to cosplay as Diabetes boy, or a trashcan
I'm pretty sure that is on purpose. The characters are intentionally campy. The aesthetic is retro sci-fi, obviously taking inspiration from Alien and Guardians of the Galaxy
I want to play as a gorilla, and armored mech, a dude with 30" biceps welding an axe. I do not want to play as a whatever those characters are.
Paul is the modern audience.
TBF, this is a spin off of the whole Bungie saga. I think Sony were getting hood winked left and right when they went on this live service kick a while back.
Going free to play will not move the needle
Sony/Firewalk needed to be WAYYY more receptive to the reaction the game got. Not talking about the people who went overboard to hate on it for political reasons or whatever, but rather the complete lack of interest from the general audience. Especially with the disastrous open beta numbers.
If they delayed for a few months or even a year, retooled it as a FTP game with some reworked character designs and then marketed it better (or at all lol), it might've had a chance. But yeah, it's far too late now for any meaningful course correction.
DEI = DOA
I will play it, If Sony PlayStation pay me, Lol.
@@ashb7Delay from business perspective is often not an option. If you already spent money, and have to spent more (X employees times their salary times months of delay plus addition marketing budget) it might be better to just release the game and write it off as loss. As there is no guarantee that delay will make it a profit. It might be less of a loss.
This is so many games over years we’re released in poor state to the point EA was accused by investors about one of the BF releases. CDPR if I’m not mistaken also had similar lawsuit.
@@wiliestrogue2924please leave
My heart literally sunk when that trailer launched, and it said "5v5 hero shooter". I immediately was like..... nobody wants this.
Seriously, I thought it was going to be something like Borderlands which I would have been totally up for but turns out it's yet another 5v5 shooting game.
Same. I was actually impressed at the quality of the cinematic, though it was definitely trying a little too hard to be GotG. The characters looked weird and different, there was a heist, everything appeared to be very high-quality.
Once the PvP gameplay started rolling, I immediately tuned it out.
Same
Yet Valve's new game Deadlock is getting praise, a hero shooter moba.
@@TheEffectOfMass Yeah I mean, as far as Valve games go I have never felt so underwhelmed by the premise of Deadlock.
Deadlock gaining traction is final nail in this games coffin I reckon.
Welcome back Battleborn
Damn you unlocked a memory
I want BB back so bad qq
Look at Deadlock...very diverse and is pretty popular.
The problem is not that it's $40. The problem is that there's no interest in this game. As you've said, even if it was free, nobody would play it.
That 'Secret Level' animated anthology series coming out on Amazon will apparently feature Concord.
You can bet it's the Sony marketing machine at work pumping money to help get that studio "inspired" to add it in.
Honestly, that Concord part better be good. However, considering that no one's drumming up any interest and the writing along with the overall design of the characters struggling to resonate with anyone, all signs are pointing to Concord's story in Secret Level ending up being mediocre at best.
Edit: nvm game's dead
@@GATX370it would of had to be part of it years ago it takes years to make animation, guarantee Sony thought it would be a success
Naiko I agree. And that is hilarious. Why should they be making an animation for a game that is so new anyways? The title hasn't earned its inclusion in the show, it was merely paid for by Sony for advertising.
They could've done a really great story on any of the immense lore in Destiny and they went with the "we have guardians of the galaxy at home" game. Unbelievable
On top of the lackluster character designs, I find their actual personalities completely unappealing. The endless quips, zingers and "banter," it's like no one is capable of talking normal or acting genuine for even a moment. Compare the announcement trailers of Concord and Overwatch and look at how the characters present themselves - it's night and day. Overwatch characters are bursting with sincerity. It's my least favorite trend in modern media, the way every protagonist and sidekick needs to be overly sarcastic and self aware at all times
Yeah, modern writers are so fucking embarrassed of just being genuine; it's like they're ashamed of the genres they even write for. It's gotten tiring. Too many of them grew up with Whedon and reality TV.
Worse actually, they all practically stamped from the same saccharine personality. At least in other hero shooter you can spot the edgy brooding and super serious straight man type.
I couldn't even tell which one is the most evil here.
Honestly i think the best comaprison when it comes to characters is Apex. Apex has paraplegics, an old guy, a plus sized female, a non-gender binary, and a plethora of other representation but they dont look offputting and they sound like real people. Like Valkyrie is a lesbian but she just sounds like a cocky fighter pilot from a top gun movie. Her personality just makes sense with her backstory. Same with Bloodhunt, Ballistic, and others.
"Overwatch/Guardians of the Galaxy" Temu/Wish Marvel Edition is how it comes off.
Not just lackluster , blatantly standoffish, they care more about "THE MESSAGE" .
Unfortunately I don't have the time to justify spending $40 on the game. The game does look pretty fun to me though, but then I would have to convince my three friends who own PS5s to buy it which seems unlikely.
Buying a game should be resolute. You shouldn't have to go through mental gymnastics to want to play it or get others to.
As someone who loved Destiny and Halo PvP, I am really enjoying the game. I had no idea this game was getting so much hate because I live under a rock apparently. The game is fun though, I hope it doesn't die
@@primprim6965 It's already dead, enjoy your last couple of days playing it until the matchmaking issues begin.
I still remember Paul Tassi saying her couldn't believe that Concord is doing worst like he legit thought there was a bug in Steam charts based on his Tweet. Dude went from coping to acceptance in just days.
pretty brutal stuff, I saw people on Reddit call it a melt down
The trouble with making games for an audience that doesn't exist is there's no audience to play it.
nah, zero sympathy for the the devs. They knew everyone hated their designs, they had to delay the game for years after the beta to fix everything. but they just released it and are proud of it. nah. they deserve this.
I feel like a documentary on the decisions that led to this game would be both fascinating and horrifying. It's an astonishing product. Everything about it seems scientifically engineered to be as bland and unappealing as possible. It passes through the mind like a light wind, moving nothing and leaving no impression. Even the title is boring. But somehow, somewhere, a group of people with a whole lot of money were convinced that this was going to be the next big thing. That kind of disconnect genuinely needs to be studied
Excellent and compassionate perspective. Thanks for keeping it real Mr. Paul Tassi ☕
Steven Spielberg had a famous interview like a decade ago where he predicted a huge film industry crash. Essentially he said that you're going to hit a point where a substantial number of high profile, extremely expensive films will come out and utterly bomb to the point where the film industry implodes.
I feel like we're 2 or 3 Suicide Squad-sized failures away from that happening in video games. And obviously Concord is WAY more dramatic a failure than Suicide Squad.
Studio full of snails developed this game. Concord taking 8 years is crazy, and a bad case of chasing trends being too slow to market.
whenever a studio like Sony says "we've been working on this for 8 years so it must be good!" you should really hear "we are a bunch of money hungry execs that don't understand that games have to be fun for people to play them so instead we decided to chase an already dead trend because we only think in terms of money, all the while fucking over the devs which eventually only ended up getting like 2 actual real terms years to get something shipped because we couldn't decide what we wanted them to do and we didn't let them deviate from our nebulous so called 'plan' at all. what are you talking about the game is bad? the devs clearly didn't do a good job then, lets fire them"
Ignorant take:
If Sony were to abruptly cancel the roadmap, stop any development on the game, refund any purchase (not that there were many to begin with) and make the whole project a tax write-off... I don't even think many customers would be that upset. And it would probably cost Sony less money than keeping it "alive" for months.
Yeah like how Sega pulled the plug on Creative Assembly’s Hyenas. And honestly Hyenas looked like it had waaaaaaay more potential than Concord - the characters weren’t awful, and actual new game modes that isn’t copied and pasted from other pvp shooters of the last 2 and a half decades…
Taxc writeoffs don't work like you think they do. You don't recoup the money you spent on a writeoff. You just get tax money back but the money you spent you don't get back.
They should take this route. Maybe even offer people who bought the game in the first month $40 worth of mtx currency for Firewalk next game if it’s gonna be another multiplayer game which is likely
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2ncstill there is a chance that this will be less of a loss for Sony than trying to support and do something with this game.
It will be the stop loss move, by not investing any more money in this game.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc No duh, of course it doesn't work like that. That would be ludicrous if you actually could get your money back like nothing happened.
The idea is to salvage what can be salvaged from a shipwreck, cauterize the open wound, own the L and move on.
The gameplay's fine but the heroes in a hero shooter have to be appealing, they look terrible.
DEI was the focus, nmwhen player interest should have been the focus. This is what they thought "modern audience " was.
Gamers are starting to vote with their wallets. No one wants this, no one asked for this, no one is buying it
It's going to be funny if that video game anthology show on Concord comes out in December and the game itself is offline
@@chuomge6598 Especially if it includes 'Play Concord today!' ad placements.
This does not bode well for Marathon
Marathon is fine. But Fairgames on the other hand...
@AdisonTeixeira it's "fine" in respect to not being canned, sure. But no one knows what's going to happen when it launches, and I wouldn't call that "fine." F2P online PvP is such a competitive market with existing IP's and extraction shooters came and went. Marathon is looking like a huge gamble right now
@@WynorrificI have yet to hear anyone say they are genuinely excited marathon. From my point of view there appears to be a lot of apathy towards it.
DEI = DOA
Modern Bungie does not bode well for anything
I so desperately want a behind-the-scenes documentary just to see what kind of thought process was going on when they conceived and approved those character designs.
Failure is the greatest teacher.
That moment when your game is so bad that it breaks R34
You will make another video…
The game is far more entertaining as a colossal failure than as an actual game
And since everyone now loves negativity and failure, it's perfect.
Every video on it makes more views than the game has players 😂
Sadly, it needed to fail - otherwise, the practice of charging money up front for live service games dependent on exclusively pvp would've become the new industry norm. A game like this needed an offline campaign to even have a ghost of a chance.
And Black Myth Wukong sold 10mil this failed so terribly.
Hey Paul, i think there's another factor at play here. People are getting fed up with live services and bunch of things happened this year that have set a bad precedent. Ubisoft shutting down The Crew got a bunch of people riled up and look at all the Destiny 2 stuff.
I think people got a look at what the end of the road looks like and they're over it.
Beating a dead horse here but why tf would ANYONE buy Ubisoft Skull & Bones when they were pulling the plug on The Crew during that same month? What reason does the consumer have to trust Ubisoft aren't just going to do the same with Skull & Bones?
You can R34 all Overwatch characters. You can't do it for a single Concord character
Leave it to the gooners to take a normal conversation and make it about porn. LOL.
the refrigerator is kinda bad but i won’t disagree
Even the literal hamster?
@@michaelmegson2778 try looking it up and get back to us
@@michaelmegson2778that hamster pulls more bitches than any of the Concord cast could ever hope to.
Low key, Marathon devs might be panicking after this thing launched.
Redfall had 10x the players of Concord. *Redfall*
And thats just Steam, not even counting PC gamepass Redfall players 😅
These where ex Bungie devs more specifically people who worked on Destiny 1, Destiny Taken King & Destiny 2 how did they thought Concord was a game with any potential & how did it got so far withing development? Did it not get play tested? Did no one at the studio stand up to say anything about the game just not having anything special nor remotely good about it?
Yes! This is the video I've been waiting for!!!
It's a wonderful "disaster". Failure teaches people. The failure needed to be this big to possibly get thru bubble.
Hero appearances are the big enough reason NOT to play the game. Why would anyone want to spend $$$ to play as an unattractive ugly character with pronouns. I can play a game similar like OverWatch 2 or Valorant and play as an attractive character. There is other competition out there and Concord is forgetting that. Executives and devs are out of touch.
I really don’t understand how people look at this game and think it looks terrible. I love the art direction. Some things could use work, but to call it a complete visual failure feels cartoonishly extreme.
I don't know how nobody stopped them and said "This looks lame. It plays okay, but it looks like a brown paper bag." Market and focus testing shouldn't be an industry north star, but this game almost seems like it was made in a vacuum.
here come the layoffs.
Sometimes the layoffs are justified. This IMO is one of those instances.
Probably won’t be layoffs this time. I see Sony absorbing the studio into their others. It’s also highly likely they try to salvage this mess first
@@danieleberly9629 it is already over. The 3 people at the top of Firewalk are getting zero bonus for completing the game and leaving.
@@GamingRobioto This game was a Jim Ryan baby. So the rank and file should suffer for his mistakes while he takes his stock options and fat retirement checks and leaves the hard working employees on a precipice. Not hardly. I don't agree with your IMO at all. Not at all.
@@905JimRaynor it can be over and them still try to salvage it. 3 people leaving doesn’t equal layoffs
Marathon is next unless there's another project like this announced a few months before release.
Death of live service can't come soon enough
It's not going to, look at the top 20 games on Steam. Concord simply couldn't compete in the online PVP shooter market where most of them are f2p.
@@wolvesanthis makes me even more worried for Marathon and I don't even care for that game
@@Wynorrific Yeah Bungie needs to start hyping the game again and do public testing ASAP
@@wolvesanBungie needs to abandoned that game and just move on. It has a 0% chance of success.
No amount of hyping can save that pathetic excuse for a game project.
Oh no bro we recognize the scale of this failure. Trust me we do , 😂😂😂😂
No one is going to play a hero shooter who's heroes look like people you would absolutely HATE to have to deal with in the real world. All of these characters are walking stereotypes of the most annoying kind of insufferable individuals. Furthermore, your heroes need to look like they at least belong where they are, and most of them look like they would struggle to walk up a flight of stairs, let alone run around with a full kit and weapon for 15 minutes. It's really that simple. I played the beta on PS5, and the minute to minute gameplay is perfectly serviceable. I just don't want to be IN a game with any of these heroes, let alone play AS any of these heroes.
Man this dude flips flops insanely. Couple days ago he was simping for Concord to be given a fair shake lol.
And this is probably what will happen to marathon it’s already dead in it’s conception
While there's a vocal minority that is truly anti-woke, most gamers just want fun, good-looking games and there's definitely a trend of diversity being used as shield against criticism about how your game looks. If people can't give internal criticism without fear of offending someone then bad ideas are going to languish until they eventually crash against reality in a spectacular way like we see here.
Character designs are simply atrocious
The best part about Concord is that it makes people look back on Avengers fondly in comparison. This is a company made up of shooter veterans who are learning the hard way that artists who are creatively well rounded outside of knowing the mechanics of playing samey multiplayer gun battles are just as important as people who are obsessed with making money off of creating another entry in a tired genre.
Most studios are formed because they genuinely have a unique voice they want to make heard, want to bring something to the table that people have never seen before. Firewalk came together to try and make a fortune off of other people's good ideas and banked on us not noticing.
Would have been cheaper to make a Bloodborne port
The "modern audience"
The first game to break rule 34.
Concord looks unappealing. Overwatch looks much more interesting. But they look similar. I cannot work out what the difference is. It's not just one aspect, like the characters. Everything is off somehow. Someone more artistic than me would have to explain it.
A series of events happened in the same week: the bombing of Concord and Dustborn, the cancellation of Star Wars Acolyte, the mass layoffs and facility closure of Bud Lite... all of them have a common theme. And then, you can contrast the failures of Concord and Dustborn with the success of Black Myth: Wukong, which went the opposite direction in certain issues. It seems like... the universe is trying to tell you something if you can just put everything together and see the bigger picture.
Its the pendulum swinging back
Gamers: Woke DEI is dead. Also Gamers: Cant wait to play DEI Chinese nonwhite protagonist's journey to the woke.
@@nerag7459 Coming from a Indian guy ,I dont care if the protag is white,black,brown, etc, etc , characters just have to be beautiful and without "the message"
Me reading this comment as Deadpool v Wolverine trailer pops up “see the highest grossing R rated comic book film again”. Lol. What a coincidence
@@azureemarald5722 The Monkey King is beautiful? What are they doing in India these days!?
I honestly feel like the entire point of this game was to create characters that could not be rule 34ed
Unprecedented but not unexpected. Well, not to anyone with basic pattern recognition anyway.
Concord to SW Outlaws, you are living the dream! 🤣🤣🤣
The biggest issue to me were the designs. The best they could on for some of these chars was a poncho. Or like a normal red dress. Like, what am I supposed to infer when I look at it? Assassin, Tech, Magical?!
Fuck yea, push back against the industry finally. Ngl, something about 2024 summer that finally broke everyone. The "enough is enough" mantra is flourishing.
End "The Message".
When one of your developers call there playerbase talentless hack you don’t deserve a playerbase
Paul, remember this is Marathon!
The problem isn't that it's "woke" trash, the problem is that it's soulless corporate trash
I'd rather spend 40 on a game with content than be spammed with battle passes on a free to play game
these two things arent mutually exclusive, lol
Plz explain how this game is "woke". Because there are women characters?@@undefinedhuman7404
Those are essentially the same thing.
Half the player base is the devs. Lul
Concord only has like 500 players. It's literally just reviewers who bought it to make YT videos
I wonder if Bungie is regretting making marathon now instead of D3. I literally have the same interest in marathon at the moment as I do in concord. 😂
If they made Destiny 3 that would actually require them to try and not phone in a half baked game. You know damn well Bungie wouldn't give up an opportunity to run the same scams they ran in past launches with a batch of newer people once again.
@@Nina-ld7wzrequire them to try? why? they launched d1 and d2 barebones as fuck and seemed to do ok, they can probably do it again, the player base doesn't seem to mind lol
0:55 Almost everyone who saw the presentation a few months ago realised immediately that this game would fail miserably. The viewers are obviously smarter than the Sony suits.
Its hilarious honestly sony big wigs think their smarter then their customers what a laugh the fact they went thru with it is even more hilarious. The only thing they accomplished was proving just how stupid they really are.
Let's be real, at that point the writing was on the wall and even the sony guys knew this would fail. I guess they just hoped it wouldn't go quite as badly as it did
I’ve been waiting for this video
Going free to play wont help it. Shyt, they made the beta free to play and even less people showed up 😂😂😂
It’s got feel like salt in the wound when Valve’s Deadlock is doing so great with just invite only in its play test phase.
*coughs* HACK *coughs*
Concord is the first game that feels like it's characters are truly corporate.
It must be breakfast because you've got egg on your face.
Played Concord in the open beta. There's a number of devs whom I have a TON of respect for in this industry. After literally ONE match, I knew this game was doomed. As you said, they take components from a number of others games and don't do ANY of them better than the original. R.I.P.
I don't like it when people call it "woke trash" because there are so many problems you could dive into and that description just doesn't do anything to delve into the actual problems and reasons why this game failed.
Woke trash...being the #1 reason for it's failure. DEI = DOA. We reject degeneracy.
But it is woke trash with ugly, unappealing characters. Having the other issues doesn't change that. Games that intentionally include woke trash deserve to fail.
The problem is, ppl looked at it, thought it was woke trash and decided not to buy it based on what it looked like. Doesn't matter if it is or isn't, perception is king. And the stories of the "professor" that have been reported provide that critique some weight.
@@TitusAndromadon What about insulting Whites and calling people that don't buy it names? This dev company is beyond stupid. Reject any game that accepts Sweet Baby or Blackrock money.
@@TitusAndromadonno, people saw a hero shooter and turned away. Marathon's in the same boat. For some reason, the weird ones were hoping it would be full of naked women for them to wack off to instead of going outside and then they got mad and said "go woke, go broke".
The GAMERS have SPOKEN! Anything WOKE will not sell anymore...
lmao you're so coasting on your bigotry thinking that the terrifying boogeyman that is diversity was the cause of the game's fail. Play for yourself then see that the game IS bad and too expensive.
@@pvinkreverie Oh let's not forget ACOLYTE! LOL what a shit show LMAO as well.
@@pvinkreverie Oh and by the way what's your pronouns? Butt/Hurt?
They need to add all the features Overwatch 2 was supposed to bring. That’s the only way I see new interest being garnered.
There are too many games, man. We can't keep up with this unless the games are BANGERS.
If it wasn’t for this video I never would have heard of Concord.
When they get shut down....lets not act surprised 😮
It feels like this was a single player game that was cut up in to a hero shooter.
How bad do you have to mess up that Overwatch is looked to as a shining beacon of what you should strive to
I have 0 sympathy for the Art Director and Lead Character Designer. Neither of those two should be allowed to cook ever again after this.
The nr1 issue is always characters. The characters are repulsive genetic freaks with pronouns in their name, virtually no one (who is a consumer) wants this.
Obviously this is meant to copy OW, OW characters have a lot of "fans" who do not play the game. People flock to aesthetically pleasing designs, always.
OW's "not so sexy" characters are also heavily stylized and look cool, not disgusting like wtf that emari or w/e is in concord.
Wonder what the staff talked about this morning when they came in to work
The marketing doesn't help... just look at the dull rubber textures and pastels on all the character showcases. They look like you zoomed too close to a ship in EVE online, not a 2024 AAA paid game.
This was supposed to be a high profile game? I literally hadn't heard of it.
I’m just hoping they learn from this and realize, maybe having Bungie continue working on Marathon is not the move they need to make
@@sethious1 Or maybe don't launch it as a live service. Pull back on the Hero shooter shoehorned in stuff. Let it be its own game instead of chasing trends that will be inevitably tired by the time it launches years later. There's nothing wrong with taking cues from successful titles, obviously, but the kinds of cues they're drawing from seem like they have a half life of two years or so. You need a much faster dev cycle to stay relevant.
Agree 💯
@sethious1 too far in to back out now unfortunately, they'll still ship it just to be not completely in the red just a tiny bit less in the red
@@atomic_wait you can tell who plays pvp/live service in general by this comment. The issue isn’t hero shooter. Deadlock, Marvel Rivals, Split gate are all hero shooter & will be successful the problem w concord is that it’s a hero shooter w ass/mediocre hero design. Why would someone pay $40 for a hero shooter that have ass/mid design when they can play valorant, apex, marvel rivals or overwatch all of them being hero shooters but better hero design & free.
Not exactly sure who at firewalk or Sony thought charging $40 was the move but that alone was the death nail. Outside major pvp franchise like Cod, battlefield it’s not common sense to charge for a pvp only game & even those like battlefield could be F2P if we look at Delta Force which is essentially a battlefield clone that will be F2P (& that game will be a hero shooter & succed unless there’s any major game issue)
It's hubris, one of the best things about Bungie and the reasons the game lasted so long was it's community managers and dedication to improving their games once they got feedback. Firewalk and Sony never showed they cared about feedback from the shooter audience ever since the game was announced.
It got properly announced 2 months ago, they didn't have time to make any meaningful changing even if they want to.
The hubris lies in them believing 100% that the game would be a hit
@@AdisonTeixeira I dunno man, for example with Bungie they would come out and say we are 'listening'' to your feedback. Same with the Helldivers 2 devs. It's sometimes not about changing it day one but showing you are willing to work with the community. That's what people are used to.
@@AdisonTeixeira also perhaps giving it two months before launch was also an issue? Maybe launch a few days after the reveal would have been better? Not like the beta was really needed as the game was really polished.
@@ed61730 but in this case, Concord don't have any community to work with
@@ed61730 On the contrary, they should have revealed the gameplay way sooner than two months from launch, to allow the studio to respond the feedback properly.
It's a good lesson for devs to learn. Games are products and if you make a product nobody wants, then nobody will buy it. What is the value proposition on offer here? Buy it just bcoz it's new? It looks worse than the 'free' competition in its genre.
Everyone making videos on Concord not matter good or bad is making more money than Concord......hahaha
Shillin for sheckels