Seth, wondering if with budget magic videos, what do you think about playing 1 bonus match after the main games with an upgraded mana/whatever else version of the deck? Would be nice to see if it's worth it to invest in the decks.
Seth, you should try this without a budget. See what you can do with a consistent mana base and better sideboard cards, etc. Maybe there are even some better 3 drops to replace Elvish Rejuvenator with?
@@jeremyobriant7266 it's good because it pretty much guarantees you have enough mana to emerge on the next turn and can also hit your ugins sanctum or whatever the fetch land is. An alternative would be llanowar visionary which also hits your 4th mana for emerge but cantrips. Before fierce empath I was running filigree familiar too I'm looking at oakhame adversary for the sideboard against other elf t1 decks as well that's pretty much it
@@jorroj Those are theoretical decks though, I want to see Seth play the deck. I didn't think to look at the article (I normally don't unless it's a deck I'm interested in building a version of or have a similar deck to), but I'll check it out.
i've never wanted to see videos of the non budget version of a deck more. I wonder how good it would do if you weren't 2v1ing both your opponent and your mana base
I would suggest having a side board of creatures with effects on them like Reclamation Sage or Ravenous Chupacabra so you can emerge from them as well. Don't know if it is too slow, but worth a try.
I feel like this deck could use a Lashweed Lurker or two in the sideboard. It would help dealing with aggro threats, help get in with the other big boys, all while staying on theme.
I was just about to post something to this effect. I wonder if it'd generally be better to make this Simic Emerge and stick to Lashweed Lurker + Elder Deep-Fiend as your threats? It'd definitely make the mana base less painful.
Hi, this was the first deck I tried when pioneer was announced and I was trying to rebuild it. One thing I want to mention is sideboard oakhame adversary. It allows turn 3 deep fiends on its own
I really appreciate your videos man, I have been watching a dozen of them everyday for the past few weeks. You have convinced me that you can indeed play MTG on a budget and still win a lot of games! Anyway, keep up the good work man!
I came back to the channel after watching other interests for a bit, and I've got to say your intros have gotten really good! No spoiler-highlight clips like your old videos. No explosions and stock guitar VFX. Just a nice, straightforward summary of what we're getting (or an incredibly obscure The Shadow reference.) Keep up the fantastic work!
*Extremely* concise wrap-up, Seth; The mana _IS_ everything in this deck, due to the tight plan-of-pacing, tapped mana sources are almost not allowed here. Witn a FULL budget build, you, at minimum, could expect a record flip in a subsequent league.
I loved Elder Deep Fiend and Distended Mindbender when they came out. I really felt like EDF could have been a real powerhouse finisher in a control/tempo shell. Sadly the format just didn't had too much going on. It was still decently strong and showed up in some of my favorite decks like the Pro Tour EM 2nd place deck from Turtenwald that is such a blast to play. Unfortunately, the card never got the love I thought it was due. I am really surprised EDF and his emerge brethren haven't done all that well in commander and seen price adjustments, but maybe one of these days as they are super fun cards with great abilities that can really make a decent to huge impact in a game.
Hey Seth, thanks for the awesome deck. I was wondering if there would be a good way to find some cool art you made for an against the odds video about a year ago. Hoping to get a sweet playmat for a new deck. Thanks again!! ^-^
I love the egg. I’m using it in a faerie vandal deck. I can sac it on opponents turn to a village rites to pump my vandal and get a 4/4 on my turn…nice plus the scry is real good. Then you can swing unblockable too if necessary.
I don't know whether this is correct, but I'd probably play 3 matter reshapers instead of rejuvenators because it can help increase the clock and because it can be searched up by Ugin's sanctum. Seems like that would help with problem of match 2, game 1.
The deck is amazing! Want to try this out as soon as I can go to paper. Also as a Canadian I approve of the use of “eh” so often, must be because he hangs with Tomer so much 😀
If you are using the 3 color tap lands, have you considered using the steets of new capena lands that enter and instantly sack to tutor up specific land types. I know they are just special evolving wilds, but they still would make the fixing more consistant I think, though you'd be slower if you only drew them.
55:22 Why sacrifice Elder Deep Fiend to emerge a Mindbender? You have mana to sacrifice Empath to do that (then hardcast Deep Fiend precombat next turn) or to just hardcast another upkeep Deep Fiend and tap them out of both blue and green for another turn, at which point they’re forced into chump blocking with both their threats, forcing them off the combo. And you can follow up with Empath into Mindbender anyways.
Very cool deck! I vote for Rejuvenator over Egg in the budget version of this deck. If someone decided to make a non-budget verison, though, I'd probably go for the egg for the double emerge.
Sweet deck, brings me back to eldritch moon standard with the emerge. Was there any thought to having a wretched gryff or two as airborne emerge threats? I don't know what the creature meta is like and if they're worth it next to the other emerge creatures.
I really think a Decimator of the Provinces or two in the sideboard would be a great threat that uses the green mana you produce and can create such a huge clock that might be fringe enough to take this deck over the edge.
watching you play the Shredder and Velomachus decks made me wonder if there's a reasonable way to build Emerge off the back of a Delve base instead of the mana dorks/random 3drops? could you get enough velocity from things like treasure cruise and tasigur?
Can someone explain why biolume serpent is mana value 3? I feel like I've been playing flip cards wrong? Are the flip saga creatures from kamigawa front mana value?
Yes. This is a change from earlier. A flip card keeps its mana value. The Kamigawa sagas, off-color werewolves, all that stuff keeps the mana value from the front side.
I wonder if for some of these budget decks you can try prophetic prisms for fixing. It's not great but at least it draws you a card so it's not the worst top deck.
I think Rejuvenator is fine in the Budget version but in a non-budget, with the upgraded mana base, the egg is probably a better card than Rejuvenator. Being able to just start hammering away with Deep-Fiends or Mindbender without needing to find more 3 drops is very strong for the deck to close the game faster than the Standard version was able to.
Yeah colossal skyturtle is really powerful. I'm surprised more Living end decks don't play them when I saw it spoiled I thought oh great living end gets more threats that are also answers to things.
hey seth i know this doesnt have to the current deck. i was watching a previous deck with warped devotion and u used hurkyls recall in the board for artifact decks, i had an idea, what if u put mycoyth lattice in that would be brutal cause u bounce their board then theyt discard alot of cards. prolly make any opponent scoop. i think that would be a great against the odds to watch ^^
I wonder if anyone would've tried casting Mystical Dispute onto Elder Deep Fiend like a blue spell. Maybe then the Devoid mechanic would truly be relevant!
Man talk about deep cuts! You should try and reboot your old mono blue Rise From The Tides deck in pioneer that deck is one of my favs and like 5-6 years old lol. Ig it was actually spun as a Brain In A Jar deck.
I loved elder deep fiend when it came out and I still have 4 copies. This deck seems a little clunky though how could it be improved regardless of budget?
honestly wish budget modern was a format. the pain lands, slower clocks and more diverse spells makes the format so much more dynamic. maybe i like pauper too much.
Here’s a thought I had - what if in pioneer they purposely made it tough to build 3+ colored decks through mana base restrictions. Like maybe that solves a bit of the value pile problem and pushes more diverse decks
I think Seth could've won game 1 if he skyturtled the Fatal Push back, played the untapped land and then cast push on the other ledger shredder, instead of bouncing ledger on their turn.
Not sure how much I even enjoy the “Budget” Magic series anymore. It’s mostly just “Get wrecked by your mana” Magic these days. Building quality, fun, interesting decks with budget nonlands seems quite possible these days. But building with budget lands??? Not so much. So like many other comments have said, it would be cool to see this deck non “budget” aka with good mana.
It's honestly so sad that the thing that differentiates a $100 deck and a $500 deck in this format are the lands... Literally just go no budget on the lands and use the same main and sideboard and it literally jumps to almost $600... Is this the spirit of the format? I think WotC needs to stop pandering to Commander players and support their new format because it's becoming too much like Modern!
This is a problem in every format. They don’t care clearly. We are getting shock lands in the new Un set but no rare land cycle in the double masters set was a slap in the face tbh.
the mana bases weren't so expensive before they announced pioneer as the qualifier format. Every playable dual even pathways went crazy. Hopefully we see more playable duals in future sets.
@@Linky609 You are correct, I remember a time after Breeding Pool rotated out that it was down between $10-$15 which is still high but not as bad as now...
@@starmanda88 I will be honest here and say I think the prices of main and sideboard cards in Pioneer are very fair considering in Modern we have cards like Pact of Negation that fetch $50+... It makes no sense if Pioneer is the go to format for Wizards Pro Tour that Modern prices are still so high while Pioneer prices are more fair. Don't even get me started on the 2X2 fiasco! It's a set they specifically only put about 10 good rare reprints in and 125 or so rares?! I am not buying sealed product fron WotC for a while. Oh and $60 warhammer decks but $40 Dominaria decks? Unreal!
Seth, wondering if with budget magic videos, what do you think about playing 1 bonus match after the main games with an upgraded mana/whatever else version of the deck? Would be nice to see if it's worth it to invest in the decks.
I second this
I third this
I fourth this. SETH PLEASE!
Fifth'ed!
That's a really cool idea
Seth, thank you for all the incredible content. Your creativity is a shining example of what this game can be.
Fierce empath is exactly what this deck needed. Man I love this format. Every deck is just so cool
Seth, you should try this without a budget. See what you can do with a consistent mana base and better sideboard cards, etc. Maybe there are even some better 3 drops to replace Elvish Rejuvenator with?
Nah elvish rejuvenator is one of the best 3 drops for this
@@emceemikey I said maybe! Haha. I haven't messed around with Pioneer in a long time. MTGGoldfish is the only place I see any Pioneer play at all.
@@jeremyobriant7266 it's good because it pretty much guarantees you have enough mana to emerge on the next turn and can also hit your ugins sanctum or whatever the fetch land is.
An alternative would be llanowar visionary which also hits your 4th mana for emerge but cantrips. Before fierce empath I was running filigree familiar too
I'm looking at oakhame adversary for the sideboard against other elf t1 decks as well that's pretty much it
Theres a non budget version in the article linked in the description
@@jorroj Those are theoretical decks though, I want to see Seth play the deck. I didn't think to look at the article (I normally don't unless it's a deck I'm interested in building a version of or have a similar deck to), but I'll check it out.
i've never wanted to see videos of the non budget version of a deck more. I wonder how good it would do if you weren't 2v1ing both your opponent and your mana base
This deck looks sweet! I'm currently brewing around the idea of deep fiend with solitude in modern!
ooooh! sweet idea don't mind if i steal it
Spicy!
That's pretty clever.
Sweet lord that's smart
I'll never see Elder Deep-Fiend and not immediately think of LSV.
I would suggest having a side board of creatures with effects on them like Reclamation Sage or Ravenous Chupacabra so you can emerge from them as well. Don't know if it is too slow, but worth a try.
I feel like this deck could use a Lashweed Lurker or two in the sideboard. It would help dealing with aggro threats, help get in with the other big boys, all while staying on theme.
I was just about to post something to this effect.
I wonder if it'd generally be better to make this Simic Emerge and stick to Lashweed Lurker + Elder Deep-Fiend as your threats? It'd definitely make the mana base less painful.
Hi, this was the first deck I tried when pioneer was announced and I was trying to rebuild it. One thing I want to mention is sideboard oakhame adversary. It allows turn 3 deep fiends on its own
I completely forgot that Biolume Egg existed
when it was spoiled i knew it has some place to go, just couldn't figure out it. started thinking of a monoblue aristocrats list. is pretty funny
I play it in a deck built around Koma, since it can just be sacrificed that way.
9:24 "they could have another God's willing" He said casting a colorless spell. XD
This whole episode has convinced me that enemy delver vs your delver works the same as enemy team’s Yasuo vs your team’s Yasuo.
"treasure cruise is a problem"
*proceeds to not cast go blank
Omg Seth, this deck looks PERFECT for me. I love the Sultai colors, Emerge was one of my favorite Standard deck, and this deck seems super fun
I really appreciate your videos man, I have been watching a dozen of them everyday for the past few weeks. You have convinced me that you can indeed play MTG on a budget and still win a lot of games! Anyway, keep up the good work man!
I came back to the channel after watching other interests for a bit, and I've got to say your intros have gotten really good!
No spoiler-highlight clips like your old videos. No explosions and stock guitar VFX. Just a nice, straightforward summary of what we're getting (or an incredibly obscure The Shadow reference.)
Keep up the fantastic work!
*Extremely* concise wrap-up, Seth;
The mana _IS_ everything in this deck, due to the tight plan-of-pacing, tapped mana sources are almost not allowed here.
Witn a FULL budget build, you, at minimum, could expect a record flip in a subsequent league.
Beautiful editing for that supreme verdict reveal
I loved Elder Deep Fiend and Distended Mindbender when they came out. I really felt like EDF could have been a real powerhouse finisher in a control/tempo shell. Sadly the format just didn't had too much going on. It was still decently strong and showed up in some of my favorite decks like the Pro Tour EM 2nd place deck from Turtenwald that is such a blast to play. Unfortunately, the card never got the love I thought it was due.
I am really surprised EDF and his emerge brethren haven't done all that well in commander and seen price adjustments, but maybe one of these days as they are super fun cards with great abilities that can really make a decent to huge impact in a game.
Hey Seth, thanks for the awesome deck.
I was wondering if there would be a good way to find some cool art you made for an against the odds video about a year ago. Hoping to get a sweet playmat for a new deck. Thanks again!! ^-^
In match 4, sacking the egg counts for one of the blue mana needed. It takes the coloured mana from creature used.
I love the egg. I’m using it in a faerie vandal deck. I can sac it on opponents turn to a village rites to pump my vandal and get a 4/4 on my turn…nice plus the scry is real good. Then you can swing unblockable too if necessary.
youve heard my prayers
advice part after game one - foul emisary is something. i understand that rejuvinator helps fix mana so thats something.
I don't know whether this is correct, but I'd probably play 3 matter reshapers instead of rejuvenators because it can help increase the clock and because it can be searched up by Ugin's sanctum. Seems like that would help with problem of match 2, game 1.
The deck is amazing! Want to try this out as soon as I can go to paper.
Also as a Canadian I approve of the use of “eh” so often, must be because he hangs with Tomer so much 😀
If you are using the 3 color tap lands, have you considered using the steets of new capena lands that enter and instantly sack to tutor up specific land types. I know they are just special evolving wilds, but they still would make the fixing more consistant I think, though you'd be slower if you only drew them.
The 3 color lands tap for all colors, the streets of New capenna sac lands only get 1 basic so only 1 color choice.
50:14 Seth malfunctioning
55:22 Why sacrifice Elder Deep Fiend to emerge a Mindbender? You have mana to sacrifice Empath to do that (then hardcast Deep Fiend precombat next turn) or to just hardcast another upkeep Deep Fiend and tap them out of both blue and green for another turn, at which point they’re forced into chump blocking with both their threats, forcing them off the combo. And you can follow up with Empath into Mindbender anyways.
Perhaps the earliest I have ever been...
May the video be meritorious. May the eldritch mythomane beguile all foes.
An 54:05 why not fierce empathy skyturtle bounce?
Very cool deck! I vote for Rejuvenator over Egg in the budget version of this deck. If someone decided to make a non-budget verison, though, I'd probably go for the egg for the double emerge.
Omg I just loved the wink! Seth you are the best!
That last game was brutal. The Gods giveth & they taketh away.
Sweet deck, brings me back to eldritch moon standard with the emerge. Was there any thought to having a wretched gryff or two as airborne emerge threats? I don't know what the creature meta is like and if they're worth it next to the other emerge creatures.
I really think a Decimator of the Provinces or two in the sideboard would be a great threat that uses the green mana you produce and can create such a huge clock that might be fringe enough to take this deck over the edge.
watching you play the Shredder and Velomachus decks made me wonder if there's a reasonable way to build Emerge off the back of a Delve base instead of the mana dorks/random 3drops? could you get enough velocity from things like treasure cruise and tasigur?
Couldn’t foul emissary make the cut as well? It fetches an extra creature and gives you a body when emerge sacced for the needed 3 mana
was going through my Emerge cards last week , gad to see it being played again
Seth, Painlands ain't free. Please: If you can use a different land for colored mana, just do that!
I remember these cards when it was in standard. I always liked it. It was never over the top tho. Deck seems very cool
you should play some copies of Emrakul's Influence. It's probably not good, but you should do it anyway
it to slow for the deck
How competitive will be grixis emerge from kaladesh standard? 🤔🤔🤔
If the mana was better i would go with egg.
Is it Cruise specifically or could it be ledger the issue?
the important question is... which is better Llanowar Elves or Elvish Mystic?
Can someone explain why biolume serpent is mana value 3? I feel like I've been playing flip cards wrong? Are the flip saga creatures from kamigawa front mana value?
Yes. This is a change from earlier. A flip card keeps its mana value. The Kamigawa sagas, off-color werewolves, all that stuff keeps the mana value from the front side.
Impressive deck, worth trying with appropriate manabase
I wonder if for some of these budget decks you can try prophetic prisms for fixing. It's not great but at least it draws you a card so it's not the worst top deck.
This deck reminds me how much you like elder deep fiend, and how much we need more turtle lock in our lives
i tried to make that card playable in mordern a couple years ago but it just didnt work :(
I think Rejuvenator is fine in the Budget version but in a non-budget, with the upgraded mana base, the egg is probably a better card than Rejuvenator. Being able to just start hammering away with Deep-Fiends or Mindbender without needing to find more 3 drops is very strong for the deck to close the game faster than the Standard version was able to.
Yeah colossal skyturtle is really powerful. I'm surprised more Living end decks don't play them when I saw it spoiled I thought oh great living end gets more threats that are also answers to things.
I think this deck would definitely benefit from Zagoth Triome. Not only does it have cycling, but it can be sacrificed to biolume serpent.
hey seth i know this doesnt have to the current deck. i was watching a previous deck with warped devotion and u used hurkyls recall in the board for artifact decks, i had an idea, what if u put mycoyth lattice in that would be brutal cause u bounce their board then theyt discard alot of cards. prolly make any opponent scoop. i think that would be a great against the odds to watch ^^
Mycosynth is banned in modern, so that's probably not going to happen.
@@alexkuzela9266 aww boo hiss
I feel like Seth got corrupted there for a second haha
Is
Foul Emissary not better then Elvish Rejuvenator?
Thank you for 50:20
I wonder if anyone would've tried casting Mystical Dispute onto Elder Deep Fiend like a blue spell. Maybe then the Devoid mechanic would truly be relevant!
Man talk about deep cuts! You should try and reboot your old mono blue Rise From The Tides deck in pioneer that deck is one of my favs and like 5-6 years old lol. Ig it was actually spun as a Brain In A Jar deck.
Couldn't you have cast the other mind bender to check if they drew protection?
Gods willing won't do anything to a card that's devoid as it doesn't have a color identity
I remember the ur phoenix version from early pioneer. Was decent at the time.
I loved elder deep fiend when it came out and I still have 4 copies. This deck seems a little clunky though how could it be improved regardless of budget?
There's always a link in the description to a non-budget upgrade guide
@@nickynoodles oh I didn’t know that, thanks!
honestly wish budget modern was a format. the pain lands, slower clocks and more diverse spells makes the format so much more dynamic. maybe i like pauper too much.
I would've loved to see Kozilek's Return in the side
Was wondering why not fastlands for the Pathways, then read Budget Magic in the title.
Can't be the only one who has read 'elder deep friend'
1:11:58 in nerd voice 'Umm actually according to my calculations its 8.27%. repeating of course'
This is why I think either Grixis or Temur Emerge is more powerful because you get Kozilek’s Return
think with a non-budget mana base you can go up the egg
Here’s a thought I had - what if in pioneer they purposely made it tough to build 3+ colored decks through mana base restrictions. Like maybe that solves a bit of the value pile problem and pushes more diverse decks
No thanks. Play mono color decks if you don't wanna buy lands.
Release to the Wind is stoopid guud with EDF....🙃
Can u build this deck non budget please please fix the land base?
I love emerge decks so much
Are any of these cards on MTG Arena? 🤔
Biggest misplay was when Seth didn't kill himself with llanowar wastes at 1 life. Condeding took more clicks!
Eldrazi Octopus is the best type line, prove me wrong
This is so cool!
After months could we have a modern budget magic next week ?
I think the painlands are just a little to painful for this deck.
I think Seth just wanted to play this deck so he could try and get people with turtle.
I think Seth could've won game 1 if he skyturtled the Fatal Push back, played the untapped land and then cast push on the other ledger shredder, instead of bouncing ledger on their turn.
Opp had Dovin's Veto in hand to counter the push
@@davidpolston2751 They didn't, they drew it the turn after, it was the delver flip.
I think egg is the best one. But I don't see why you need 4 turtles since you said yourself you can tutor them.
Okay forget budget what would the mana base look like
That intro... Oh man....
I’ve missed emerge decks
He's so good at Magic.
Not sure how much I even enjoy the “Budget” Magic series anymore. It’s mostly just “Get wrecked by your mana” Magic these days. Building quality, fun, interesting decks with budget nonlands seems quite possible these days. But building with budget lands??? Not so much. So like many other comments have said, it would be cool to see this deck non “budget” aka with good mana.
Gee I sure do love my relatively accessible format being annihilated by ledger shredders (the joke is I could be talking about too many here)
Am I the only one who keeps reading this as Elder Deep-Fried?
holy sh*t this was awesome
So freaking close…
Emerge with some victories? Not emerge victorious? :P I mean, it's in the title of the video, for Pete's sake.
I'm so sorry to have been the one to up the vote count from 420... but even so, I loved this deck. This was a blast to watch.
It's honestly so sad that the thing that differentiates a $100 deck and a $500 deck in this format are the lands... Literally just go no budget on the lands and use the same main and sideboard and it literally jumps to almost $600... Is this the spirit of the format? I think WotC needs to stop pandering to Commander players and support their new format because it's becoming too much like Modern!
This is a problem in every format. They don’t care clearly. We are getting shock lands in the new Un set but no rare land cycle in the double masters set was a slap in the face tbh.
the mana bases weren't so expensive before they announced pioneer as the qualifier format. Every playable dual even pathways went crazy. Hopefully we see more playable duals in future sets.
@@Linky609 You are correct, I remember a time after Breeding Pool rotated out that it was down between $10-$15 which is still high but not as bad as now...
@@starmanda88 I will be honest here and say I think the prices of main and sideboard cards in Pioneer are very fair considering in Modern we have cards like Pact of Negation that fetch $50+... It makes no sense if Pioneer is the go to format for Wizards Pro Tour that Modern prices are still so high while Pioneer prices are more fair. Don't even get me started on the 2X2 fiasco! It's a set they specifically only put about 10 good rare reprints in and 125 or so rares?! I am not buying sealed product fron WotC for a while. Oh and $60 warhammer decks but $40 Dominaria decks? Unreal!
I'm sad you had to use budget lands for this.
EGG FOR SURE
This deck is egg celent.
:')
Wotc needs to bring emerge back
Sweet.
Seth's definition of top deck in match one is pretty loose