No if you're going to use pump gas use the lowest octane you can find! Higher octane fuel is harder to ignite and won't burn as clean in a lantern and will take longer to vaporize. Also you can run regular unleaded in ANY white gas coleman lantern or stove but yes it will soot up the genorator slightly faster than white gas. I've used regular pump gas almost exclusively for a little over 30 years in all my lanterns and stoves with no I'll effect. It's biggest drawback is it's no good for long term storage.
Mate! That was excellent. Well done, well rounded video giving all the advice people need to get started and understand the purpose of a vaporiser. Ken bruce Australia
I used to be on the "don't run pump gas" bandwagon. While I still prefer the cleaner white gas, those deposits you speak of take hundreds and hundreds of hours of operation to cause any issues, and those issues can be undone in minutes if you know what you're doing. I DO recommend thoroughly rinsing the tank with white gas before storage though. You recommend high octane gas. What are your reasons for this recommendation? Octane rating relates to anti knock characteristics in internal combustion engines. Lanterns and stoves don't knock. High octane fuel actually burns slower than low octane fuel. What effects does low octane gas have on a lantern that high octane gas doesn't? What engineering features do the dual fuel appliances have that the non dual fuel ones don't? In fairness, I used to just take other experienced Coleman users word for it that pump gas was bad. And I vociferously passed that information on. I WAS WRONG. In fact it was a sort of watershed moment for me. I make it a point now to only pass on information that I have good evidence for. I'm not perfect, but I'm getting close....haha! See the pump gas challenge from Frank at Old Town Coleman here: ruclips.net/video/f-PIhUQtWe8/видео.html He has run over 65 tanks of both fuels, side by side in identical lanterns with no issues. 65 TANKS! Most Coleman lanterns run for about 10 hours on a tank of fuel. That's 650 hours. Nearly a full month of continuous operation. Pump gas isn't perfect. The smell of spilled White gas goes away as soon as it's dry. Not so much with pump gas. Pump gas will degrade in storage much faster than white gas. I've had lanterns that were filled and sat unused for many years and the fuel smelled and worked just fine. But pump gas is not any more dangerous to use than white gas. The appliances run just fine on it. And it won't ruin the appliances it's burned in. If you DON'T want of clean and restore you're old generators yourself, you can pay for a LOT of brand new generators with the fuel savings alone. For old valuable collectible models, I get it. Some of those generators are not even made anymore, and some are not easily cleaned and serviced. Stick with the white gas for those.
I was kinda wondering why running high octane gas was better also. Like you said. Burns slower. Made to deter premature destination i.e. knocking, in higher compression engines. I laugh when I see the stock tuner kids run super in their Hondas. But thanks for the advice about running pump gas In ALL white gas lanterns. I still enjoyed the video very much. Quite a symphony of hissing lanterns.
@@Matt-lt8xg That's a valid point, especially if you don't use them much. I don't run pump gas much because I don't want the hassle before storage of getting that crap out of there. I WILL NOT leave pump gas in anything in storage for a month or two. I won't run pump gas in a stove, unless it's an emergency, because all the unknown additives in it. I just don't want that in my food. I also won't use it indoors in lanterns for the same reason. I have no reservations using it well ventilated areas.
Another awesome video. I have used propane lanterns outside before, but not liquid fuel lanterns, and this is great in how straightforward and complete your instructions are. Thanks!
I used aviation fuel in my colemans , way out in the remote wilds of Alaska a , 2 mo. Outing on my winter trap line venture !! This was cheaper and better to go long peroids of time !!!
NICE!! I just bought an old Coleman lantern because I can't stand that weird light the LED lanterns put out. When I'm camping I want that warm natural light of the old lanterns. PLEASE tell me you can help if I can't get my old Coleman I just bought up and working
Great video. Have you ever tried a pre heater cup with denatured alcohol in the dual fuel lantern? It would seemed to me that it would combine your lighting process without the need to remove the vent and globe.
Right now, propane is $4.59 for filling a 20 pound tank. Kerosene in one gallon jug is $30.00. Great vid. Made up my mind. Propane. Besides, a propane lantern is half the price of a dual fuel.
can you please make a video starting from how to install and burn properly the mantels and how fragile they are so need always to carry spare ones. I would like to see how do you deal with tying the mantels and the process after that ; that is something we all need to do even before lighting the lamps and better get it right .Maybe explain the different mantels there is and do all can use what ever we can get at the stores? Thanks for your videos because this is something we all need to know in a emergency when we need light even in the city for blackouts nowadays . cheers.
I'm absolutely not an authority but we used to just tie the mantels on then light them on fire. After they burned all the way they were good to go. we would just introduce the gas and use lantern after that. It was really simple as a kid growing up. I don't know if I was doing it wrong but the lantern always work fine instill you shattered the mantel
Remove the abspestos tube in the old lanterns generator and replace it with a rolled up piece of fine copper mesh (arts crafts stores) , and you can run unleaded, but it wont burn as bright.
Just a note about the flashpoint of kerosene. Yes the flashpoint of kerosene is higher than gasoline but that means that gasoline will vaporize and give off enough fumes that can combust at a lower temperature..thus making gasoline much more combustible and flammable than kerosene. An easy test to see this affect is to pour a small amount of each fuel into separate containers. You will see that the gasoline will have fumes coming off of it while the kerosene will not.
Great vid, I have a few questions I have a 339 coleman kerosene lantern . I fired it up today and it was super bright, my mantle slightly rests on the generator is this a problem / normal? I let it cool for like 20 mins but filled the precup again as it was burning off the cup it was flaring up alot mantle catching fire etc. Did this mean it was already hot and could have done with just a little bit of preheat rather than a full cup again as the generator was already hot? Thanks
are you familiar with the jc higgins lantern: what is the history; were they made by coleman for sears, or was it another manufacturer? i have had this lantern for a decade or so, and just getting around to trying to use it and having trouble finding information on rehabbing and starting it, thanks
There isn’t anything wrong with burning unleaded in any Coleman product. I think all Coleman’s are dual fuel. I legitimately think the term dual fuel is just Coleman marketing. I’ve used unleaded a number of times and I can’t tell any difference.
I'm guessing methyl hydrate air brake antifreeze probably not a big seller in Cali. Might still be able to buy it at a truck stop or heavy truck parts store
That's always Coleman's party trick and selling point. All the liquid gas Coleman's will burn gasoline. It's been this way since the 1960's. So saying gasoline will only work in a Dual Fuel is a lie.
Your camera man or women is not too good , I could not see things that I really wanted to see good because I'm having problems lighting mine and I always used coleman fuel and I figured the Crown fuel was the same and I can't get my duel fuel to light
Fantastic and quick! (I would suggest stabilizing the camera some as I was starting to get dizzy)
Excellent explanation of the process involved in the generator function.
I enjoyed this, I have seen all the lamps before but never a " propane tree " the 1st that you lit .. It is a great idea
thanks
Great vid. Great info part of the vid the camera was looking at the ground so missed what was going on.
No if you're going to use pump gas use the lowest octane you can find! Higher octane fuel is harder to ignite and won't burn as clean in a lantern and will take longer to vaporize. Also you can run regular unleaded in ANY white gas coleman lantern or stove but yes it will soot up the genorator slightly faster than white gas. I've used regular pump gas almost exclusively for a little over 30 years in all my lanterns and stoves with no I'll effect. It's biggest drawback is it's no good for long term storage.
Otherwise excellent video lots of good info.
Alight good to know that now for that information, tips and compliments!
Mate! That was excellent. Well done, well rounded video giving all the advice people need to get started and understand the purpose of a vaporiser. Ken bruce Australia
I used to be on the "don't run pump gas" bandwagon. While I still prefer the cleaner white gas, those deposits you speak of take hundreds and hundreds of hours of operation to cause any issues, and those issues can be undone in minutes if you know what you're doing. I DO recommend thoroughly rinsing the tank with white gas before storage though. You recommend high octane gas. What are your reasons for this recommendation? Octane rating relates to anti knock characteristics in internal combustion engines. Lanterns and stoves don't knock. High octane fuel actually burns slower than low octane fuel. What effects does low octane gas have on a lantern that high octane gas doesn't?
What engineering features do the dual fuel appliances have that the non dual fuel ones don't?
In fairness, I used to just take other experienced Coleman users word for it that pump gas was bad. And I vociferously passed that information on. I WAS WRONG. In fact it was a sort of watershed moment for me. I make it a point now to only pass on information that I have good evidence for. I'm not perfect, but I'm getting close....haha!
See the pump gas challenge from Frank at Old Town Coleman here: ruclips.net/video/f-PIhUQtWe8/видео.html He has run over 65 tanks of both fuels, side by side in identical lanterns with no issues. 65 TANKS! Most Coleman lanterns run for about 10 hours on a tank of fuel. That's 650 hours. Nearly a full month of continuous operation.
Pump gas isn't perfect. The smell of spilled White gas goes away as soon as it's dry. Not so much with pump gas. Pump gas will degrade in storage much faster than white gas. I've had lanterns that were filled and sat unused for many years and the fuel smelled and worked just fine. But pump gas is not any more dangerous to use than white gas. The appliances run just fine on it. And it won't ruin the appliances it's burned in. If you DON'T want of clean and restore you're old generators yourself, you can pay for a LOT of brand new generators with the fuel savings alone.
For old valuable collectible models, I get it. Some of those generators are not even made anymore, and some are not easily cleaned and serviced. Stick with the white gas for those.
I was kinda wondering why running high octane gas was better also. Like you said. Burns slower. Made to deter premature destination i.e. knocking, in higher compression engines. I laugh when I see the stock tuner kids run super in their Hondas. But thanks for the advice about running pump gas In ALL white gas lanterns. I still enjoyed the video very much. Quite a symphony of hissing lanterns.
Most non premium especially in western states has ethanol and ethanol =water attraction
@@Matt-lt8xg That's a valid point, especially if you don't use them much. I don't run pump gas much because I don't want the hassle before storage of getting that crap out of there. I WILL NOT leave pump gas in anything in storage for a month or two. I won't run pump gas in a stove, unless it's an emergency, because all the unknown additives in it. I just don't want that in my food. I also won't use it indoors in lanterns for the same reason. I have no reservations using it well ventilated areas.
I plan on using gas with no ethanol in mine. That is the only reason why I bought it because gas is everywhere, and it's cheap!
Great vid! And like the mix idea
But FYI flash point is the temperature a fuel will gives off Ignitable vapours
Another awesome video. I have used propane lanterns outside before, but not liquid fuel lanterns, and this is great in how straightforward and complete your instructions are.
Thanks!
You can use vm&p naphtha as a fuel source as it is very similar to white gas
I used aviation fuel in my colemans , way out in the remote wilds of Alaska a , 2 mo. Outing on my winter trap line venture !! This was cheaper and better to go long peroids of time !!!
May have been mentioned before but he lit a torch with a lighter to light the lanturn.
NICE!! I just bought an old Coleman lantern because I can't stand that weird light the LED lanterns put out. When I'm camping I want that warm natural light of the old lanterns. PLEASE tell me you can help if I can't get my old Coleman I just bought up and working
Great video. Have you ever tried a pre heater cup with denatured alcohol in the dual fuel lantern? It would seemed to me that it would combine your lighting process without the need to remove the vent and globe.
Right now, propane is $4.59 for filling a 20 pound tank. Kerosene in one gallon jug is $30.00.
Great vid. Made up my mind. Propane. Besides, a propane lantern is half the price of a dual fuel.
can you please make a video starting from how to install and burn properly the mantels and how fragile they are so need always to carry spare ones. I would like to see how do you deal with tying the mantels and the process after that ; that is something we all need to do even before lighting the lamps and better get it right .Maybe explain the different mantels there is and do all can use what ever we can get at the stores? Thanks for your videos because this is something we all need to know in a emergency when we need light even in the city for blackouts nowadays . cheers.
I'm absolutely not an authority but we used to just tie the mantels on then light them on fire. After they burned all the way they were good to go. we would just introduce the gas and use lantern after that. It was really simple as a kid growing up. I don't know if I was doing it wrong but the lantern always work fine instill you shattered the mantel
kerosene mixture lowers the flash point? makes the burn less dirty??? easier starting?
Remove the abspestos tube in the old lanterns generator and replace it with a rolled up piece of fine copper mesh (arts crafts stores) , and you can run unleaded, but it wont burn as bright.
Just a note about the flashpoint of kerosene. Yes the flashpoint of kerosene is higher than gasoline but that means that gasoline will vaporize and give off enough fumes that can combust at a lower temperature..thus making gasoline much more combustible and flammable than kerosene. An easy test to see this affect is to pour a small amount of each fuel into separate containers. You will see that the gasoline will have fumes coming off of it while the kerosene will not.
Good stuff
Amazing video!!!! (could use a better camera man though...)
Great vid, I have a few questions I have a 339 coleman kerosene lantern . I fired it up today and it was super bright, my mantle slightly rests on the generator is this a problem / normal? I let it cool for like 20 mins but filled the precup again as it was burning off the cup it was flaring up alot mantle catching fire etc. Did this mean it was already hot and could have done with just a little bit of preheat rather than a full cup again as the generator was already hot? Thanks
are you familiar with the jc higgins lantern: what is the history; were they made by coleman for sears, or was it another manufacturer? i have had this lantern for a decade or so, and just getting around to trying to use it and having trouble finding information on rehabbing and starting it, thanks
Could you purchase and rebuild a "Coleman CQ Lamp"?
Very good vid but camera guy lacking …
Thank you
The audio would have been much better if you didn't turn on that noise maker as the first thing you did.
Method 2 is the Best !
There isn’t anything wrong with burning unleaded in any Coleman product. I think all Coleman’s are dual fuel. I legitimately think the term dual fuel is just Coleman marketing. I’ve used unleaded a number of times and I can’t tell any difference.
kerosene is a very energy dense fuel which is why it burns so brightly...
I would think the much larger mantle would also play a part in the light output
I've used gasoline in all my coleman gear for 45 years with NO issues except my wallet staying fat.
Shoot you can’t find denatured alcohol in California.
I think they banned it. What else could be used?
You can use methylated spirt, or Bio- Ethanol.
90% isopropyl alcohol or Everclear should work and you'll probably be successful with Heet in the yellow bottle which is methanol 👍
I'm guessing methyl hydrate air brake antifreeze probably not a big seller in Cali. Might still be able to buy it at a truck stop or heavy truck parts store
That's always Coleman's party trick and selling point. All the liquid gas Coleman's will burn gasoline. It's been this way since the 1960's. So saying gasoline will only work in a Dual Fuel is a lie.
Low or high octane?
im gettin dizzy.
Lol, your camera person sucks, but it's very useful information. Thanks so much
Your camera man or women is not too good , I could not see things that I really wanted to see good because I'm having problems lighting mine and I always used coleman fuel and I figured the Crown fuel was the same and I can't get my duel fuel to light
You burn Kerosene in lanterns that are designed for this , do not put Kerosene in a white gas lanterns . This was not covered with enough stress .
you need a better camera person! someone who can hold a camera without swinging it like a pendulum .
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