Scourge! Sonic's Dastardly Double | Archie Sonic History

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  • Опубликовано: 31 дек 2024

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  • @kyzplz
    @kyzplz Год назад +45

    i love scourge as a character no matter how he was made, he should be added into a series

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  Год назад +12

      I think he could stand really well without any Evil Sonic back story

    • @kyzplz
      @kyzplz Год назад +10

      @@FantasticSamtastic same !! he should totally be his own character, i hate that ken penders sued sega, now they’ll never have the legal rights to use him:(

  • @Someguyhere111
    @Someguyhere111 2 года назад +135

    I love that Ian took the fact that Anti-Sonic was "just Sonic but bad", and actually made that a core factor of his motiviations for everything he does. He's tired of just being "the bad Sonic" and gives himself a new name, but doesn't stop there, and gives his entire world a new name, as well as the rest of the Anti-Freedom Fighters (renamed Supression Squad), giving them their own identities. Then he turns the whole "just Sonic but bad" thing on its head and tells Sonic that he's just one bad day from becoming just like him.
    The comics also showed Scourge, for all his grandstanding, was far more vulnerable than he let on. A scolding from Jules actually hit him and caused him to cry, and after spending time in the Zone Prison and being the prison bi**h, his spirit is broken and he just wants to keep his head down to avoid more trouble, actually becoming angry when Fiona arrives to try to bust him out.

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +29

      I've gotta say a lot of my memories of Scourge were just of him being an Edgier Sonic (which to be fair when he was just Evil Sonic that's all he really was) but rereading a lot of these comics reminded me of just how much Character they gave Scourge to the point where although being Sonic from another dimension he actually stands as his own interesting character separate from Sonic

    • @christophermitchell9739
      @christophermitchell9739 Год назад +15

      I love how Sonic turned it back on him, pointing out that by the same concept it'd be easy as making a few kinder choices for Scourge to improve himself.

  • @isauldron4337
    @isauldron4337 Год назад +57

    Sonic roasting scourge calling gun a bully that takes the easy nasty way out and a Big whoop is a puré dominance move

  • @vexzel5550
    @vexzel5550 2 года назад +127

    I miss him. His design as evil sonic and Scourge was the definition of bad dude 😎

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +21

      Evil Sonic was a bit silly for me but I really loved him once he became Scourge

    • @kingjamesc1156
      @kingjamesc1156 Год назад +3

      Evil sonic was nothing before he became scourge

    • @vexzel5550
      @vexzel5550 Год назад +3

      @@kingjamesc1156... He literally wore shades, a black jacket, and boots….

    • @kingjamesc1156
      @kingjamesc1156 Год назад +3

      Yea but he said it himself that he was a nobody when he was just plain old evil sonic

    • @vexzel5550
      @vexzel5550 Год назад +5

      @@kingjamesc1156 yeah, but his “design” was cool as evil sonic.
      His development as a character became better when he became scourge.
      Both as evil sonic and scourge the design were cool, and he was a interesting take on what Sonic would be as evil.

  • @FwendlyMushwoom
    @FwendlyMushwoom 2 года назад +86

    I know Penders didn't create Scourge, but did he really copyright Evil Sonic? How the fuck can he do that? If I just put sunglasses and a leather jacket on Mario, I couldn't copyright "Evil Mario" as my own original character.

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +68

      Here's how we get scourge back, put a second leather jacket on him with a second pair of glasses and call him Eviler Sonic.

    • @Sleepy_on_the_moon
      @Sleepy_on_the_moon 2 года назад +16

      @@FantasticSamtastic the perfect plan

    • @brbboi309
      @brbboi309 Год назад

      @@FantasticSamtastic or maybe we find ken and assasinate him

    • @subjectnivleis7572
      @subjectnivleis7572 Год назад +6

      @@Sleepy_on_the_moon hail to the king baby

    • @rynobehnke8289
      @rynobehnke8289 Год назад +17

      It gets double ridicules with Ken when you remember that he at the same time thinks Shade the Echidna is to similar to Julie-Sue and should belong to him because of it.

  • @fnaf2isthegoat75
    @fnaf2isthegoat75 2 года назад +76

    Imagine Scourge got to meet fleeway sonic that's essentially meeting himself but if his self was good

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +10

      I try to not remember fleetways sonic that story is wild haha

    • @fnaf2isthegoat75
      @fnaf2isthegoat75 2 года назад +16

      @@FantasticSamtastic to be honest I love Fleeway stories and I think evil supersonic with one of the most interesting Concepts.

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +7

      @@fnaf2isthegoat75 I can respect that! Maybe one day I'll have to take a closer look a Fleetway Sonic

    • @SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario
      @SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario 2 года назад +3

      And if Xenophanes got into the same room as those two,
      Madness Combat!

  • @soldierofkazus
    @soldierofkazus Год назад +38

    My theory is that Finitevus knew the Super Genesis Wave was coming, and he had a plan to ensure that he, Scourge, and Fiona were recreated, which got a little thrown off due to a combination of factors and they ended up being imperfectly reborn in the IDW continuity as Starline, Surge, and Kit.
    Granted, the only similarity between Fiona and Kit is that they're foxes...

  • @impidimp9331
    @impidimp9331 Год назад +33

    They should canonically make Scourge the main rival/villain to Sonic because Scourge had one of the best Character Development in the whole Sonic Franchise. His transition from being an evil sonic to being his self that he is not just a sonic who is bad but scourge with motives from experience (Like how he gained control of his dimension). Also For Shadow to still be the rival of Sonic is just not there anymore. Shadow is basically Sasuke now. Lastly, Scourge is also one of those who has Super mode like the Big 3 Hedgehogs.

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  Год назад +9

      I would love to see more Scourge, it's too bad he's stuck with Penders though. Although, with Tangle and Whisper showing up more its not like comic characters are completely separate now

  • @JeepusChrystler
    @JeepusChrystler Год назад +42

    If Evil Tails, Anti-Miles, used the Master Emerald in the same way as Scourge, would his new name be Kilometers?

  • @SaddieMoon
    @SaddieMoon 7 месяцев назад +6

    8:18
    Context: In Mobius Prime, there once was thousands of chaos emeralds, but Tails and Shadow fused them and other emeralds from across their universe to form the 7 Chaos Emeralds.
    So in Moebius, since there probably wasn’t an event like that, the Anarchy Baryl has never been reduced to just 7.

  • @SirFailsalot91
    @SirFailsalot91 3 месяца назад +4

    The fact Scourge had the perfect opportunity to face Sonic one-on-one, only to get pushed to the back as a bunch of other hedgehogs get involved in the brawl, then ends up humbled by Sonic tricking him into returning to normal after he goes Super, *_then_* him ending up in prison where he's the lowest rung on the ladder just demonstrates where he actually stands in the pecking order of things.
    His tears after threatening Jules was like because that was the only true father-son interaction he'd had in his life, and probably ever would if he really had murdered Anti-Jules in order to become king of Moebius.
    Sonic always has the spotlight without much trying, meanwhile Scourge needs to demand the attention he's after - one is cocky but clever and does what's right because it's the right thing to do, people love him and will stand by him no matter what; the other is a cruel bully that only cares about himself, others hate and fear him because he has to push them around in order to get them to follow him and they'll turn their backs on him when they see just how pathetic he actually is - he truly is the antithesis to Sonic in just about every way.

  • @Chriso22
    @Chriso22 11 месяцев назад +12

    Scrouge instantly became my favourite sonic character ever after finding the archie comics as a kid

  • @isauldron4337
    @isauldron4337 Год назад +21

    Anti-sonic' s design gets a lot of flak
    But in comparison to other Evil MC versions he looks more different with the glasses and Jacket
    Most tend to be dark/purple palette swaps of the OG

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  Год назад +6

      That's fair, it's not awful but Scourge is much better IMO

    • @isauldron4337
      @isauldron4337 Год назад +1

      @@FantasticSamtastic not dissing scourge design
      I'm just saying Evil versions tend to be palette swaps

  • @madzman7214
    @madzman7214 Год назад +13

    One of my favorite examples of antiverse characters / I still want to see the adventures of scourge in the antiverse dealing with the counterparts of other characters

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  Год назад +2

      Scourge really was an interesting character! It's too bad just as things got interesting all the Drama with Penders had to start.

    • @madzman7214
      @madzman7214 Год назад

      @Fantastic Samtastic plus with how the story was going we could of seen anti enerjak and what else happened differently say wizards vs ancient walkers

  • @kate_sakura
    @kate_sakura 2 года назад +14

    Imo since Ian Flynn is now writing the games as well he should just go to court with Penders he can keep all of his characters except Scourge and have him as a villain since Eggman has been the only villain in the series now so having Scourge back would be a fresh start and could make a very interesting plot of sonic (or Scourge) collecting memory tokens so Sonic can remember the pre-SGW era

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +9

      Tbh I think it's best to move on and just leave Penders in the past. There were good characters who will be missed but idk if it's worth it

    • @justvibinmydude7620
      @justvibinmydude7620 2 месяца назад +1

      @FantasticSamtastic imo, it is worth it. I don’t think he should get away with what he did and he deserves nothing. Praying every day that the characters he took goes back to Sega.

  • @theultimateawesome5516
    @theultimateawesome5516 Год назад +12

    Funny enough sonic archie issue 193 was the first sonic comic I ever read. I think I was like 8 I thought it was one of the coolest things I’ve seen.

  • @blehsilly
    @blehsilly 2 года назад +27

    I actually never got the time to finish the whole comic series! And I always wondered about scourge. So this was very informative and helpful! Please make more videos, I’m interested about doctor Finitevus more!
    Keep up the great work!

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +2

      I'm glad you enjoyed it! It was a lot of fun to make and I've been debating doing a Dr Finitevus version of this but I wasn't sure if people would want to see these types of videos

    • @Nostalgia2009-
      @Nostalgia2009- 2 года назад

      You can read all the archie comics online

  • @PeeWabbit-hy2ie
    @PeeWabbit-hy2ie 4 месяца назад +1

    when i found out that scourge was erased i genuinely cried, i love his character so much and I'm so sad to see him erased, ik it's stupid to cry over and the genesis wave happened years ago but i still love scourge, he's so cool.. I'm so sad :(

  • @alicemursteinlesbefaen666
    @alicemursteinlesbefaen666 2 года назад +6

    scourge is my fav sonic character thank u for the video

  • @isauldron4337
    @isauldron4337 2 года назад +17

    Scourge's antisonic phase feels like a Rebel Evil kid
    Renaming himself scourge is him becoming an Evil teenager

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +5

      Love me some character evolution as they turn in to their own!

    • @isauldron4337
      @isauldron4337 2 года назад +6

      @@FantasticSamtastic exactly
      In a sense he's obtaining independence from Ken Penders

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +5

      @@isauldron4337 Agreed! It's a shame that Penders and the law don't see it that way

    • @isauldron4337
      @isauldron4337 2 года назад +6

      @@FantasticSamtastic it's sad Penders hates anything everyone else did with his characters

  • @isauldron4337
    @isauldron4337 2 года назад +7

    Great way to do a summary
    Concise and clear
    Insert mandatory *DAMN YOU KEN PENDERS* here

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +1

      Thanks I appreciate it! It was a lot of fun to do and I think I'll do more

    • @isauldron4337
      @isauldron4337 2 года назад +2

      @@FantasticSamtastic it would be dope if you did more!

  • @داركماتر-ت1ط
    @داركماتر-ت1ط Год назад +11

    I don’t think scourge kill his father maybe it’s was accident
    He pretendeds he strong when
    Sonic father was threatens him
    He was scared and cry someone
    Who kill his own father will never
    Holding back and run away

  • @whitneywilson8424
    @whitneywilson8424 Год назад +9

    I would love to see Scourge fight Silver

  • @fnaf2isthegoat75
    @fnaf2isthegoat75 2 года назад +12

    I think the next Archie video should be on the chaotix

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +4

      Oh that's a fun one! I feel like they had a lot more going on than the chaotix we've seen in video games.

  • @indigomage2833
    @indigomage2833 2 года назад +10

    I can't WAIT to see what Surge ends up to be!! I like to think Surge and Scourge are similar but can go in REALLY different directions

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +2

      I really love Surge and I hope that both she and Kit really get the chance to continue growing as their own characters!

    • @infinityheart_tm9270
      @infinityheart_tm9270 Год назад +1

      Fellow Homestuck spotted.

  • @Player-fx8ul
    @Player-fx8ul 2 года назад +8

    When is the chili dog tier list gonna come out?

  • @thenewguyinred
    @thenewguyinred 11 месяцев назад +3

    Didn’t Ken Penders say he’d give the Scourge/Evil Sonic license to whoever gives him an impossible quota of money?

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  11 месяцев назад +2

      I don't 100% the deal, but I think it was 10k a year or something like that. A bit bonkers when IDW is doing just fine without him

  • @user-nn6yd2oj2e
    @user-nn6yd2oj2e 3 месяца назад +1

    Wow knuckles pointy hand actually hurt his scar is big

  • @slurpeestuff7238
    @slurpeestuff7238 2 года назад +4

    This is a good video!
    Nice work!

  • @Dezinsane
    @Dezinsane 3 месяца назад +2

    Great video! Please do Eclipse the Darkling next time 🙏🏻🙏🏻 I really love his character and I’m so sad everyone seems to have forgotten about him

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  3 месяца назад +2

      @@Dezinsane he's on my list! I actually just posted a video that talks about chaos shadow and it's a bit of a teaser for my Eclipse video

    • @Dezinsane
      @Dezinsane 3 месяца назад

      Then that’s the next video I’m gonna watch! Thank you very much

  • @kaibird542
    @kaibird542 4 месяца назад +1

    I love Scourge as a character!! He shows Sonic as the worst person he could possibly become, like using his abilities for his own selfish gain instead of helping people, his cockiness twisting into egomania, and his rebellious nature making him obsessed with anarchy and chaos.
    Scourge is aware that he’s just a “Saturday cartoon villain” character and not a serious threat, and everything he does is in pursuit of trying to prove he’s something more than that. His inferiority complex and need to prove himself ultimately leads to his own downfall and he only has himself to blame.
    It seems that Surge has kind of taken this role, and while I think she’s doing a great job as a Sonic foil, I’ll always have a soft spot for the classics.

  • @P-P-Panda
    @P-P-Panda 2 года назад +8

    You’re so underrated wtf 😭💖

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +2

      Thank you 💖 (feel free to make me over rated by sharing my stuff with others 😜)

  • @Ersymondequartiere312
    @Ersymondequartiere312 8 месяцев назад +2

    Well done I love Sonic archie content!🎉

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you, I really enjoy making these videos and exploring Archie again

  • @isauldron4337
    @isauldron4337 2 года назад +10

    Ken Penders is now selling scourge NFTs
    Danmned Ken Penders

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +9

      Best of all is last I saw him talk about it he Wanted to give Scourge a chest Tattoo instead of the scars because he thought those were tattoos. He doesn't even know anything about Scourge

    • @isauldron4337
      @isauldron4337 2 года назад +6

      @@FantasticSamtastic Yes it's pathetic honestly
      Like how Penders claims Shade and Julie-su are the same character
      Which isn't true at all

  • @melissaheaney5777
    @melissaheaney5777 29 дней назад

    I would like to let any Scourge fan know that there is a fan comic series called “Scourge: Eternal Blackout”, made by SukajiSplats on Tumblr and Deviantart. It continues his story after he breaks out of prison while also building its own story. There’s even an Anti-Shadow and Anti-Silver woven into it! I’m mentioning it here because I think more people need to know about it.

  • @Kirabetas
    @Kirabetas 5 месяцев назад

    Fun fact: the world wasn't always called Moebius. After the events of Knuckles Enerjak transformation, Scourge and Fiona returned to their Mobius, conquered it, and Scourge changed his world's name to Moebius as one things to alter his world from the prime Mobius alongside with forcing the suppression squad to undergo changes to make them deadlier and suppressing the urge to rebel. These included Boomer altering himself with robotics and Scourge tearing out Patch's eye respectively.

  • @Morgil27
    @Morgil27 7 месяцев назад

    Just pointing out that all the backstory, including the name Moebius, wasn't created until many years later, _after_ the character turned green.

  • @tjwizzy
    @tjwizzy 5 месяцев назад +1

    Im atill wondering where Shadow came in during that Hedgehog Havok.
    I may need to reread it again, but I swear he just popped right in

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  5 месяцев назад

      He literally just pops in. If I remember, it's been a hot minute, he teleported in with Metal Sonic right after he teleported out of the first Sonic Universe story

  • @isauldron4337
    @isauldron4337 Год назад +4

    Scourge wasn't technically retconned out of existence due to the Génesis wave?

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  Год назад

      I think he's in a weird grey area but Ken claims ownership

    • @isauldron4337
      @isauldron4337 Год назад +1

      @@FantasticSamtastic i meant
      Genesis Wave is essentially death

  • @memeguy2488
    @memeguy2488 2 года назад +6

    If there was a story reason of everyone remembering the events before the super genesis wave here is what it would be. Let me introduce you to an ideal sonic oc i created his name is genesis the hedgehog aka mr g (i picked the name genesis because of the name being a homage to the sega genesis) his appearance would be a grey hedgehog with green eyes but he would hide his identity for story reasons il mentioned later and his disguise is a black metallic mask similar to zeros mask from zero escape 999 and a black cloak similar to chris Redfields coat from resident evil 8. Abilities crossing through different sonic universe's, healing abilities stoping time like dio from jojo part 3 and going back in time. His backstory is that he originated in the game universe and he was sonics oldest brother and he was Gerald robotniks assistant and he was very close to maria and he gave his dna to the black arms to make shadow. He experimented with both dnas which made a cure for marias disease but he needed to test it out and so he injects the disease on himself and drinked the cure proving it worked but then g.u.n came and killed maria making genesis go on a demonic rage but maria told genesis not to kill anyone and then g.u.n soldiers shot genesis but it turns out that the cure turns people immortal so he took many samples of the cure with him and left the ark going back to mobius. He was also freinds with cream the rabbits father and my reason he is not in the games was that genesis was being hunted down by the dark brotherhood from sonic chronicles because they sense a power in genesis and he didn't want creams father to get involved so he sent him far away from mobius so that they dont harm him. Anyway genesis gets cornered by the dark brotherhood so he jumped of a cliff faking his death but he gets trapped in a cave but then he discovered that he has the power to cross through the different sonic universe's and so he left and ended up in the archie universe while fiona the fox was captured by robotnik and he also got captured by robotnik and was transported to the same prision as her and they became very close freinds untill genesis was sent to public execution and people including fiona assumed he died but thanks to being immortal he faked his death leaving the universe. He then meets extra life sonic from the fleetway universe and mecha sonic from the game universe and redeemed them both which they both join him. Now you might be wondering how is related to bringing back the events of the pre super genesis wave well by some accident he came back to the archie universe and he went back in time to stop the super genesis wave from even happening and then scourge and fiona came in and when genesis (wearing the mask and coat) he was angry at scourge for making her like this and so he goes on a quest with extra life sonic and mecha sonic to help redeem fiona and scourge from taking over the multiverse.

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +1

      I dig it! Honestly it'll probably never happen but it would be really cool to have a sort of dimensional crossover with Archie Sonic and IDW one day

    • @memeguy2488
      @memeguy2488 2 года назад

      @@FantasticSamtastic also genesis theme would be the special stage theme from sonic 1 because that song is good in my opinion and its not really used anymore as well as the special stage itself. You know what i actually wanted to use the special stage from sonic 1 as a part of the sonic-genesis story as a way of characters that are not genesis traveling to the different sonic universe's and its also kinda like a home for genesis.

  • @jonbomb1480
    @jonbomb1480 Год назад

    Can you do a video on anti-tails? He seems like a cool character based off of the design but I haven't been able to find anything about this character.

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  Год назад +1

      I could probably do a short one if I have time. Sadly there's just not a lot to him which is a bummer but also kinda the case with the anti freedom fighters

    • @jonbomb1480
      @jonbomb1480 Год назад

      @@FantasticSamtastic Ohh ok thanks

  • @TERRELL_GASKINS
    @TERRELL_GASKINS 7 месяцев назад

    Scourge is a character alot of us can relate to a degree because we've all put are souls into winning into wanting people to see us as the sh*t that we know we can been deep down but everyone else veiws us a weak jokes until we dissappear for a while N come back on demon time with everyone now submitting to us💚🖤💯

  • @justdrums8273
    @justdrums8273 2 года назад +2

    Okey i can hear you now

  • @soldierofkazus
    @soldierofkazus Год назад +3

    I've always pronounced Moebius as "Mee-bius"

  • @user-nn6yd2oj2e
    @user-nn6yd2oj2e 3 месяца назад +1

    3:29 did tails just punch an evil sonic without fear man why does games tails need to be a coward MEANWHILE COMICS AND MOVIE TAILS ROCK!!

  • @CypherModernSilver
    @CypherModernSilver Год назад +3

    Did anyone notice the werehog sonic

  • @isauldron4337
    @isauldron4337 2 года назад +4

    Nobody remembers sonugh the boghog?

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад

      Oh I remember him, the man had never seen a hedge lol. For sure one of the more questionable Sonic characters and maybe not on the same level as Scourge 😂

    • @isauldron4337
      @isauldron4337 2 года назад +2

      @@FantasticSamtastic he's fun

  • @sirduke0128
    @sirduke0128 Год назад +2

    BOOYAH

  • @imacashout
    @imacashout Год назад +2

    Scourge didn't kill his dad

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  Год назад +2

      I know, he just mentioned his dad once and then his dad was never seen or heard from again

  • @Gloomire
    @Gloomire 2 года назад +4

    sonc

  • @galvatronustv5811
    @galvatronustv5811 7 месяцев назад +2

    Moebius is pronounced like moe(sorry)

  • @SpriterofBrazil
    @SpriterofBrazil Год назад +3

    it's pronounced mo-E-bius

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  Год назад

      you learn something new every day! Although moe-bius is pretty funny

  • @khalilnery
    @khalilnery Год назад

    evil khalil

  • @omegamorph8211
    @omegamorph8211 4 месяца назад

    MOE~bius :3

  • @duketheLEGEND651
    @duketheLEGEND651 7 месяцев назад

    Turbo tails

  • @SuperStar-ss1pn
    @SuperStar-ss1pn 2 года назад

    Turning anti sonic green was stupid

    • @FantasticSamtastic
      @FantasticSamtastic  2 года назад +3

      I disagree but to each their own I suppose 🤷‍♀️

    • @MetroGexual
      @MetroGexual Год назад +2

      Him turning green was literally the best thing that’s ever happened to him

    • @SuperStar-ss1pn
      @SuperStar-ss1pn Год назад

      @@MetroGexual i disagree