The Roger vs. David arguments are pointless. Most of us Pink Floyd fans admire both men and can appreciate what each contributed to the band. They've all done decent solo work, but it was as a band that the four of them produced the most important work.
haro82 Roger was the best lyricist, Dave the best musician. People say Roger had little input, which is bullshit as without him we'd have no Dark Side or the Wall.
+Mean Mr Mustard and RICK!!! Rick was the Spirit! Listen to his Brilliance on Echoes!!! and he sang Perfectly with Dave! Nick is also underrated! as far as Nice-GriefTourist-I can tell ya: Rick was a gent, cool, funny, and nice-as was Nick! Roger is a narcissist, and Bully! Dave is a Prick!!! .
+Mean Mr Mustard Yes, why would I say those observations if I had not!? During AHM tour in NYC-interviewed and photographed and ate with-they also had endless appetites...
Actually, after Waters fired Richard Wright for being "lazy" only one side of the beautiful Dark Side prism fell and that was Roger Waters. He wanted to leave and take the Pink Floyd name with him.
Post-Waters Floyd was Floyd only in name, and three members. Divided, they did indeed fall. Momentary Lapse of Reason and the Division Bell are nowhere near the quality of their 70s stuff, with Roger Waters, sorry.
the whole Floyd argument to me was; David was tired of the CONCEPT albums that waters is greatly known for. All David wanted was a straight up rock and roll album without all the conceptual story lines and hidden innuendos, When A Momentary laps of Reason was being made. over 30 writers on that album trying to make it sound Floyd . but it wont happen without waters. however Rodger looking to replace David , picked up Eric Clapton on his first solo album PROS AND CONS... and Jeff Beck on Amused to death. it was conceptual , but it was not FLOYD without David Gilmour. ( or Richard Wright ) so PINK FLOYD is not just David Gilmour nor is it just Rodger Waters. FLOYD is - Waters, Gilmour, Mason ,& Wright
Both parties obviously went on to make some great music on their own, but like Julian Hopps said, neither sounded completely like Pink Floyd. Each was missing a key ingredient.
pink floyd is synergy?? Synergy was a experimental electronica band rumored to have been Peter Gabriel's soundcheck crew that seemed good enough to cut a couple albums.
My kids, 16 and 13, know. And they perform PF music at small gigs. And other kids their age love it. So, when I pop me clogs, maybe they or others like them will be keep the light shining.
They are both geniuses. They wrote music for the sake of music not to sell records like the majority of artists today. Most present day music will be forgotten by next year. What Pink Floyd created were masterpieces that will endure for all humanity.
Make no mistake that once they got a taste of success they wanted to sell a shit ton of records and felt the pressure to continue to do so from the record company. They were very focused on making money and enjoying the lifestyle that comes with it too. Floyd was lucky enough to make the music they wanted while meeting both goals. It was never a bi polar choice.
@@kingtrance307 That's true. I saw an interview with David Gilmour many years ago where he was saying "yeah, we were trying to get rich and famous". But he also said "we are trying to make music that is beautiful and moves your emotions around a bit". So it's both goals, like you said of course. And they succeeded with both goals perfectly! Brilliant!
Both Roger Waters and David Gilmore are exceptional musicians. Why take sides? They both brought amazing creativity and musicianship to Pink Floyd. When you hear "Pink Floyd" reunion concerts with either one missing there is a void that cannot otherwise be filled.
I totally agree with you, its a pointless position to take sides, just enjoy their music together, and their separate paths they chose with their music creativity, we get the best of both worlds...
Jason Pitre / Roger himself admitted he wasn’t much of a musician. David Gilmour is a solid musician but he’s really not the idea man that Roger is. MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON IS AN ALBUM BY COMMITTEE. Its not really a group effort
Don't you know how the internet works?:) Roger wrote an opera by the way, I think you have to be a LITTLE bit of a musician. I"M not much of a musician. To call a guy who has played and written music all their life 'not much of a musician' seems a little odd. I actually like Momentary Lapse of Reason. I don't give a shit about the arguments. I also agree with an above poster, I think Amused to Death is better than most of what Pink Floyd did. But hey, again, I"m not much of a musician, but I know what I like (or do I:)
I think one of the reasons why Pink Floyd was so great is because of the friction between Rogers and David. Them always trying to out-do each other on the bass and the electric and their competitiveness made them get better and better and they feeded off each other's skill. It was something that made both of them keep getting better and improving.
I hate to be that guy, but they never competed on bass and guitar. Most often, the bass you're hearing was played by Gilmour. The two of them used to laugh when Waters was voted among the best bassists when he hadn't even played on the songs. What made the two work well together was that Roger was a very dominant figure and gave the band direction and Wright and Mason would just go along with whatever he said. David went along, to a point. He was the only member of the band who could stand up to Roger and tell him when enough was enough. He stopped doing this on The Final Cut, and the results are apparent.
@@ScottieMacF Yeh, there's probably something to that point. I wouldn't say Dave played the bass on all the songs though - or even most. From what I've read, Dave did the bass in the recordings for a few songs. Probably some of the best ones! (off 'Animals' anyway). Mason and Wright did go along with the other two, though they fit in perfectly, and added their own masterful sound to the overall Pink Floyd ensemble that, like other amazing bands, cannot be recreated by any single member by themselves.
Yes. Time, Brain Damage are good too. Us and Them makes me cry every time. Wish you were here becomes more powerful everyday I get older. Some of Syds really late stuff like Jugband Blues and Dark Globe are really powerful too. Dark globe was really the kick off for Dark Side of the Moon and DSOM was when Floyd became Floyd to the masses.
I've always hated one band member is better than another arguments. The whole reason I like a group as opposed to a solo artist is the variety in scope that it provides musically. When I see performances of say Comfortably Numb without Roger, I miss Roger's unique voice on it and I'm sure much more vice versa. Plus, it's not always about having a super nice singing voice, rather it's about being a great voice actor, which both Roger and David are. To me, Roger's voice always sort of added a Vincent Price kind of eerie element to the songs especially on songs in The Wall.
David played some of the bass but not the majority. Waters played some of the guitar. In addition to bass, Waters also recorded guitar parts in the studio, as well as doing synth and sound design stuff.
Roger Waters is amazing at sounding tortured. It was perfect for every sone he sang in. Hating roger waters in my eyes is hating Pink Floyd. He founded it, he made some of the best stuff, and even when Gilmore is singing, he was reading off of Rogers lyrics (most of the time). They both are central to the main mechanism of the band and both are geniuses.
This is why the records are so good, every note and lyric was heavily scrutinised. So when they did finally agree on something it had to be undeniably great.
There are countless milestones records that were done in flow mode, with sometimes a recording time that is the same as what you are listening to... Just consider Miles Davis ' In a Silent Way... They weren't even supposed to record! Miles was in the control room and they were doing sound tests. When he heard what Mahavishnu was doing, and he just hired him 2 days before, he told the engineer to NOT stop to record... By heavily scrutinizing every note, you end doing nothing!
Al this waters vs Gilmour crap. Both brilliant. Somebody has already said Gilmours notes hook you in and Waters lyrics keep you listening. Without both Floyd wouldn't have been great. Whilst I agree division bell doesn't sound floydish it is still a very good album of music, put into some other bands repertoire(ie u2, radiohead etc)and people would rave about it. Fairs fair.
Joseph Scott but David’s lead playing is what drove the band up to where they achieved. David did a lot of writing of dsoth and solos on the wall. Plus his singing mixed with waters formed a perfect duo. Plus it should be known that Sid wanted to form Floyd with David when the band formed, but it didn’t work out at that time. Floyd would be nothing without both waters and Gilmore.
I find this comforting as a musician that Roger and David both have parts in Comfortably Numb that they didn’t like or hated… makes me feel better when there’s that ONE thing in my songs that is jarring, that I hate, but have to get over. Knowing they didn’t like it but it was still fantastic is comforting in a weird way. Musicians will understand what I’m saying
Someone else on RUclips said Gilmour lost the hair and kept the voice, Waters kept the hair and lost the voice, and Wright kept both. The same thing goes for aging. Waters looks much better now than he did in the early Pink Floyd days while Gilmour is the opposite. (sorry Dave, you're still my favorite guitarist :))
I think everybody knows that Waters wrote most of the songs but they also love Gilmour because of his "sound" that he provided for all the songs. Also known as the Pink Floyd "sound". That´s what made Pink Floyd so great, Waters songwriting and Gilmours unique "sound". Why argue and pick a side? Waters or Gilmour? I think we all want them to write music together. We love Pink Floyd because of the beautiful music they made togheter
Hrmm. I dunno. I listen to Pros and Cons with Clapton, and I'm just as happy as I ever was when it was Gilmour. I listen to Amused to Death, and I'm as happy with Beck as I ever was with Gilmour. I listen to Gilmour without Waters and all that keeps ringing in my mind is that the lyrical brilliance of Waters is completely missing. God, Gilmour is one awful lyricist.
Tomas Garcia actually roger waters wrote majority of the classic songs. Is just Gilmour had sang more and played more guitar, so I wouldn’t say either of them owns the songs. Roger Waters most definitely did not only write lyrics though. He did both
Dave and Roger sound like they're the nicest guys on the planet. Just not when they're in the same room together. But the firey disagreements is what made the music what it is.
jerrywitaj Did you know you can disapprove of the Israeli government’s horrific treatment of Palestinians without hating all Jews? Their government needs to make changes. Has absolutely nothing to do with their religion or ethnicity. But sure, go around calling everyone anti-Semites anyways. All the other fuckwits on Fox News do it so you might as well too.
In my eyes Pink Floyd was best explained by Richard Wright in an interview. "I WOULD LOVE TO DO PINK FLOYD MUSIC AGAIN"-the key is that the music made was more than any one band member. There was a special sound that is never repeated when they do solo albums. Have seen every American tour and all I can add is WISH YOU WERE HERE !!!-RIP Richard Wright you are so missed
+James “Jim” Greene "Not a huge fan of Water, and I am a huge fan of Gilmore" What are your favorite Pink Floyd tracks? "The Narrow Way," "A Spanish Piece," "Fat Old Sun" and "Childhood's End"? Me either.
Hi Jim. "Favorites of mine are Animals and..." "His influence and writing made Pink Floyd what they are" Yes. Sounds like you're a huge fan of Roger Waters,
@@Rockandrollgeerage I do know that he at least acknowledges that Dave's voice is far better than his own. However, I can understand your skepticism at my first post, based on their history.
yeah but here are in discussion other type of parameters, more in a creative way than thechnichal. Of course daves voice and guitar are the soul of floyd, but theres a lot behind the creation of those songs.
Er....can I just find some common ground here and put it out that actually Richard Wright's wonderful keyboard work gave the band's music its unique identity?
Player 1 Yes, just the keyboard..They should have removed everything from every one of their songs and just left the keyboards, they would have won more Grammy's!
The perfection of both artists brought us one of the most perfect tracks in rock history. I don't think there is a single Floyd fan out there who would say Comfortably Numb is flawed.
I don`t think it has anything to do with age. He described disagreements during the creative process of a song. If they were to compose the song today they might have the very same disagreements.
People do not get "numb" as they get older unless they have some kind of dementia. I know a few people who are still very sharp at age 90. And there is a very high number of suicides among older people, who are tired of suffering and loneliness. They surely would not do that, if they were "numb".
I think a lot has to do with age. For me as I get older I get wiser due to personal experiences. As you get older you decided what arguments are worth to argue over and which ones are a waste of time. You only live this life time once so maybe that is why they are both mellowing out. Cheers
The amazing thing about Floyd is that, even when they *WERE* youngsters in comparison with what they are today, they *STILL* had more of the "perspective that age gives you" than most people will ever have even at 90! In fact, listening to Floyd - especially their "greatest albums", of course (they are all great!) - at 18 or so can even help those who *UNDERSTAND* its meaning to skip the next decade (or more) of comparative ignorance, and jump straight into the beginning - usually at around 30-35 or so - of that very "age-earned perspective" itself...!! Unbelievable genius. And absolutely immortal when seen live. So grateful that I have seen them, once... and so indescribably sad (and I will forever kick myself because of it) that I waited - too long - to see Bowie live, too. But at least I shared the same Earth, at the same time... and that is good enough for the likes of *ME*.... so far removed from the genius of him (and Floyd...!).
+misanthrop1958 I'm sorry, but you have totally misunderstood the meaning of the song, and/or of the comment(s) above. _"Comfortably Numb"_ has *NOTHING* to do with ageing... as in "growing numb simply because you are getting older"... but *everything* to do with ageing as a process, and becoming an adult, and what the world does to *ALL* of us as we do so... not "ageing", but the process of maturity, the way in which the events of our lives both shape us and, if we are not careful, damage and may even destoy us; and the passage of Time... Oh, and so much more! Have you not even seen the film in which this song appears? _"The Wall"...?_ If you *HAVE,* well - you would be rather strange, to say the least, to have even made such a comment. If not, you *MUST.* The character about whom this song is written is *NOT* old, not at all... actually, he (and he is, of course, a metaphor...) is quite *YOUNG,* just for starters!! And I say this, to anyone who is reading: *EVERYONE* (over about 12-15; it's a bit scary in terms of its animated sequences and its implications - it's not a horror/gore film!) should - must - see _"The Wall"._ If you have *NOT,* well: watch it. The original. It will teach you so much, not just about this song; not just about Pink Floyd; but about Life itself.
Both he and Gilmour are brilliant in their own way. I admire Gilmour's dreamy guitar style of playing and his vocals, while I appreciate Waters prolific, cerebral, lyrics and song writing abilities. However it seems to me Gilmour is more humble and band oriented while waters is more ego driven and self righteous. Gilmour has this unpetentious way about him, I can't say the same for Waters who bullies the other band mates and was always very difficult to satisfy.
Without Roger, there would be much less Pink Floyd. I absolutely love this guy and his writing ability. It is and was a combo of every member of the group that made the band the best in the world of our times. I was part of the experience in '73 in Buffalo N.Y and was totally blown away, and never looked back. A huge fan.
I was Michael Kamen’s postman ......I’d often see him walking his dog, he was the nicest guy you could ever meet....always stopped to say hello. RIP big man
Got to see Roger do The Wall Tour at the Pepsi Center in Denver about 7 years ago, I'e been a huge fan of PF since 83, he put on an amazing show. One I will never forget. To any PF fan out there there is no way you can love David and not Roger or Roger and not David. These 2 together were an amazing musical force that even 53 years later new generations are finding their music and becoming fans. THAT'S talent and skill right there.
Actually love that they made this compromise. It makes the song and each of its verses and choruses individually more dynamic and I can't listed to the track without hearing the change now
Roger had a problem with expropriating David's material and the direction of the band in general. David has stated before that he never tried to tamper or influence Roger's songs or writing, but Roger always felt the need to tweek his. For instance, he wanted to be the one to chime in and sing the lyric, "I have become comfortably numb". It wouldn't have worked, David made it sound much sweeter. While Roger had brilliant ideas in terms of songwriting and lyrics, it was David's temperament towards the music that made it really work and shine. For instance, on TDSOTM, Roger wanted the album to sound dry. Fortunately, Alan Parsons was more sympathetic do David's view of having the album to sound "swampy" with a lot of echo and reverb. I couldn't imagine the album sounding any other way.
+Fibonacci Construções Then you neither know that much about Pink Floyd or David Gilmour. Pink Floyd was only successful through the collaborative efforts of all members, but mostly through David Gilmour and Roger Waters. Take the Dark Side of The Moon for instance. While there was a nearly equal contribution from all members, it was Rogers songwriting and lyrics that stood out as well as David's and the rest of the band's musicianship. If it weren't for David's influence on Alan Parsons, the Dark Side Of The Moon would of sounded dryer, like a John Lennon album. Thank God it didn't. It's no wonder, then, that David usually served as musical director for subsequent albums. This is fact, not opinion....something that you and other David Gilmour detractors can't take away or refute.
+Joseph Scott It's been said that Roger was heavily influenced by John Lennon and often used him as a measuring stick for his own success. A good example to contrast Dark Side of the Moon would be "Pigs". That's very dry compared to the DSOTM album. Definitely has more of an edge and bite to it.
Comfortably numb is a transcendence song. When I listen to that song on RUclips it blows my mind that it has been viewed over 200 million times. That speaks for itself
It takes Roger and David together to produce the "real" Pink Floyd.... even the Syd Barrett stuff isnt THAT awesome.. mainly awesome because of the whole Syd "legendary" story... Roger is the one who came up with the concepts, the lyrics... and MOST of the music, and Dave sang and came up with solos and played guitar.... PINK FLOYD is BY FAR my favorite band ever, Im obsessed... it takes both of them. Although I lean toward Roger because lyrics and melodies are the root of music
Ben Culture add me to the list. hell with his bass playing, his vocal melodies and amazing lyrics are what MADE floyd. I couldn't stand anything by PF after Roger left.
Yes, Pink Floyd is legendary greatness but Barrett was great in his own right. The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn is a highlight of 60s music in general and I argue that had Syd never got hung up on drugs, the Floyd might have went a direction that could have challenged both the Stones and the Beatles, as far as mainstream goes. Personally, I'll take Pink Floyd over those bands any day.
Dave is a better musician yes. Singing no. They have different styles. Yes David is more Melodic. But Roger could narrate the phone book and it would sound good. Gilmour sings his pasty non-roger lyrics and they just don't affect me. I would also argue that Richard Wright was the musical man in this band.
I have a recurring dream where Roger has a beer with Nick and Dave and they do a one-off album in Dave's home studio as a trio, pre-Dark Side Grandchester Meadows era-kind of stuff. Just for the hell of it. Stupid dream, I know, these guys, especially Roger, don't tend to do things just for fun anymore. But a fan can dream, right?
That's not a stupid dream. That's a very nice dream. It's probably the waking up from it and realising that it was a dream, that's a bit crap feeling I would have thought. It would have been splendid if they could have pulled their fingers out and actually got something like that done, prior to Richard's death. And Syd's.
Roger's 'Amused To Death' album was proof to me that he was key to Pink Floyd's best work. That album is a pure, put the headphones on and disappear for an hour musical journey, right up there with the best of any Floyd album. Just imagine how much more amazing it might have been with David's guitar input.
Nah they both just aren’t the same on their own. David is imo due to the fact that his voice is much more melodic and he’s a guitarist. But Roger has that crazy creative side and that’s what I like about him too.
I JUST now listened to both the FIRST & SECOND verses of COMFORTABLY NUMB, and the ONLY difference I can discernably detect, minus some extra orchestration in the 2nd, is an ever-so lightly strumming acoustic guitar track. You CANNOT hear the acoustic in the 1st verse, but it's there in the second, its just very quiet. To be honest it picks up the pace in the 2nd verse just a wee bit.
It sounds to me like maybe it's the bass that he's talking about being more rhythmically precise. It's very subtle, and may just be my ears playing tricks on me, but there seems to be a bit more attack on the bass in the second verse.
People say Dave and Rog argue over nothing but the way Rog takes any opportunity to shade Rick, even after his passing, for me is quite hard to swallow
Can I ask what are you referring to? I looked up what Roger has said about him after he died and I found this; "The band has a famous history of bust-ups and of course there’s that bust-up between you and Rick Wright who’s recently passed away. How do you reflect on him now that..it’s all over?’ Waleed asked Roger. Reflecting on the question, Roger replied: ‘We spent quite a lot of time together sort of working but we were never really together. We were on kind of parallel tracks for a while - fellow travellers with goals in common.’
Pushing the issue, Waleed asked Roger if Richard’s death had made him view the relationship in a different light. ‘No, it didn’t change how I feel about him,’ Roger replied. ‘He was super important to all that work we did together.’" He doesn't disrepcect Nick in any way there... is there something else he said?
Who cares if he was a "great" bassist or not? Musicianship for its own sake -- technical mastery of a tool like a bass or a synthesizer -- was never the point with Pink Floyd. If you want that there are other bands where the discussion is relevant. Waters wrote and played the notes that were appropriate to serve the song. Gilmour and Wright too -- they never tried to be "shredders." The band would not have been nearly as interesting if they had.
+Jason Patron If you listen to "Raving And Drooling" Wembley 1974, it's not as if the band is having to put up with Sid Vicious or something! It's very good.
Roger was not much of a musician, and not a great bassist. Gilmour said once that he played Bass on many Pink Floyd recordings--because he could play it faster. And all the while Roger was getting those "Greatest Bassist" awards... Likewise, when asked if he was nervous about replacing Roger Waters in Pink Floyd, Guy Pratt said "not really", because Roger Waters didn't play the Bass that much on the records.
I don't know why-but I just watched two videos of people's first reaction to Pink Floyd-never done that before. I got my usual goosebumps but, watching their faces transform took me right back to that smokey basement when someone put on the LP for the first time...no fanfare, we didn't know who they were and there was no MTV-but we were never the same. What a joy to see young faces with tears... Cheers, from Toronto ♥
I've just seen those videos too and my feelings are exactly the same as yours. I first heard Dark Side of the Moon when I was about 12 and it blew my young mind. Even at a young age my world was changed in a single track. I'd never heard music like it. Then some years later I was introduced to The Wall and my adult mind was blown away all over again. Both the musical aspect and the emotional aspect floored me and my world was changed again. Again, I had never heard music like it. Seeing The Wall performed at Earl's Court my mind nearly exploded. To this day Pink Floyd albums amaze me just as they did all those years ago.
I am a huge Pink Floyd fan and a huge Roger Waters fan (and of his solo work),but have to admit the Syd Barrett and the post Waters era is not my favourite but I appreciate it. Pink Floyd's most productive era is the Roger Waters/David Gilmour era where they produced with Nick Mason and Richard Wright some amazing music together, weather RW and DG argued and who was right who was wrong I do not personally care as it gave us fantastic music and we can take the rewards and listen to them whenever we so choose. Waters lyrics and ideas are amazing and Gilmours guitar craft and musicality is sublime. Here endeth the arguments and lets just enjoy the beauty of the music they made
Fer real. Why cant assholes just ENJOY a great legendary sound and craft? Oh, and Waters IS Floyd, okay? The soul and intellect behind the beginnings of the band. Yeah, Gilmour "saved" it. Whatever. Floyd will always be Waters' ingenuity. DG just took the finished product for the ride out.
There's nothing wrong with giving Opinions, really. It's just certain people are so bull-headed that their opinion is the only one that counts and everyone else just doesn't know what they are talking about. If someone says sugar is sweet, that's not an opinion, that's a fact. But some people will tell you Sugar is not sweet, it's salty and they won't hear anything to the contrary. I remember one time a guy said my snatch smelled like Cod, but the next guy said it smelled like Trout, now that's two different opinions especially after I thought it smelled like Albacore, myself....
I've agonised for a week over choosing between 2 notes, both notes would sound fine to anyone but when you're writing there's this weird OCD that creeps over you
I can't honestly take side to either Roger Waters, or David Gilmour, because they both had a huge part in making one of the greatest bands in the world.
The result of your combined effort is what matters most. To this day, this song is one of the most brilliantly performed and produced songs of all time. David's guitar work is absolutely among the top guitar solos of all time, and the lyrics, as presented, are hauntingly beautiful and perfect. Regardless of differences in opinions, this song is legendary, and perhaps one of the most pleasing and perfect songs of all time. Congrats to the entire band- I can't imagine it possibly being any better than the released version. In fact, the entire concept LP was brilliant, a tribute to your genius. Comfortably Numb remains my favorite song ever recorded. Thank you for collaborating and allowing it to be released as is.
muddavugger is right in that The Wall was a turning point for The Floyd - just not in the way he envisions. The Wall was the signal of the disintegration/demise of Pink Floyd as most fans recognize them - Waters, Gilmour, Wright, and Mason. He is correct in his assessment that Waters was the lyrical genius to the group, but I consider Gilmour to be his musical equivalent. Waters's words were brought to higher levels because of Gilmour's compositions and musicianship - they each brought out the best in the other. Sadly for all of us, Waters's inability to appreciate his bandmates' capabilities/contributions led to his separation from them after the Wall was completed. The one clear mistake in muddavugger's statement is that The Wall was not the ORIGINAL turning point for Pink Floyd - that distinction clearly belongs to "Dark Side of the Moon". It debuted on the Billboard charts in 1973, and didn't leave until 1988 - meaning it was on the charts for 6 years before The Wall's 1979 release, and remained on those charts for another 9 years afterward.It is an album unlike any other, and it's impact will never be duplicated.
+Chuck Waterman "Waters was the lyrical genius to the group, but I consider Gilmour to be his musical equivalent." Waters wrote so much of the music for Pink Floyd's songs that it would probably be more accurate to say that Waters and Gilmour's music writing combined was the equivalent of Waters' lyric writing.
+Joseph Scott I see that you are a big Roger Waters fan. I don't know everything about Pink Floyd, but one thing I know for sure, is that Waters did not write most of the music. Yes, he wrote everything on the Final Cut, but that was because he didn't allow the input of the others. He actually said: 'It's my project, they are allowed to come with ideas, but I'm the boss'. He did exactly the same on The Wall. You can't be in a band if you think like this. Anyway, Roger Waters wrote the lyrics of Shine on you crazy diamond and Wish you were, but only after he heard David Gilmour playing the distinctive notes. Both songs. The whole guitar intro - and the saxophone solo - of 'Shine on' that we all love are David's work and ideas. Same story for Wish you were here. Comfortably Numb is David Gilmours work, Roger didn't want that song on The Wall. Run like hell; Another Brick in the Wall; Hey you: the music for all three songs are written by David.
+Joseph Scott The solo work of Roger Waters is great, but is miss the guitar parts, the solos, the music at all. It's mostly lyrics, with the music softly in the background. So I prefer David Gilmours solo albums: a lot of music, with great lyrics. Not as good as Rogers lyrics, but good enough.
+Ruurd Kempenaar "I don't know everything about Pink Floyd, but one thing I know for sure, is that Waters did not write most of the music." You're mistaken.
+Joseph Scott almost everything on 'TDSOTM', 'Shine On' and 'Wish You Were Here' on WYWH. The guitar parts in Dogs, Sheep, Pigs, etc. All the good songs on The Wall, like Comfortably Numb, Run Like Hell, Ankther Brick in the Wall, the solo in Hey You. It's not like Roger walked down to David, showed him a guitar solo and learned David how to play the solo. Or do you think that? In that case, why doesn't play Roger the guitar solos himself? Why is he, compared to David, such an awful guitarist? I play the guitar better than he does! But that's not the point. My point is that David did write all the solos, electrical and acoustic, and wrote the music for all the good songs. The songs for which Roger wrote the music are just are really stupid, except for a few, like Brain Damage and Money. The only thing I like in the othe All-Roger songs are the lyrics, because that was what he is good at: writing lyrics. And that was his place in Pink Floyd. And he should be respected for that.
If you ever see some of the later interviews amongst the four of them you can see a picture develop. I believe it was Wright that admitted that they had gotten to a point where they were not putting in like Waters was. Waters began to take control, Wright admits that they were not contributing and let him do most the work, but once that mindset took hold of in Waters mind that HE was in charge, he became very difficult to work with, and reached a point where he really wanted it all his way. There just was no going back from there and that is where that signature Floyd sound began to slip away. The real top sound that spanned that late 60s-early 70s period is unarguably the result of the full collaborative effort of all four of them working together. Waters and Wright were the driving force behind Saucer full of secrets, in fact Wright contributes more vocally on the album than the rest of the band combined, and Mason states that Saucer is his favorite. Dark Side and Wish is where you really see the four of them being musically united and working as a single mind, the best work of any period. Then through Animals and the Wall it become more and more Waters till you reached the point where he pushes his once strongest collaborator, Wright, out of the group and you then hit the final cut which is really a Roger Waters work under the Pink Floyd name, truthfully so is the Wall. I really liked Momentary Lapse of reason, it lacked Waters, but it was, as all bands go through regardless of member changes or not, a new direction. Bands must continue to explore fresh ideas. I seen that concert and the band was able to perform live, with out Waters just fine and the new material translated well. While I was not a fan of Division Bell as a whole, you can see a level of return to some of the earlier creative incarnation of sound as Gilmour, Mason, and Wright were all investing themselves into the music and each other. I have not heard all of Endless River, but i like what I have hear this far. Wright gets his credit where his credit is due finally. It is a good Pink Floyd Album. As a whole, there is a certain magic that come from Waters dark mind, Gilmour's incredible ability to breath a soul into a guitar, and Wright's haunting keyboard ability with Mason binding it all together. A truly special period of Floyd. At the end of the day, from Piper to Endless river, as truly incredible as that period was, it is not the whole of Pink Floyd. Each concept and periods of work have to be taken with its own merits. Only then can you truly appreciate each of them as they were meant to be.
Never even heard of Endless River, I'll check it out, thanks. As Bob Ezrin said about the fascism in 'The Wall' - Roger fit that bill pretty well. But every artist I've heard in an interview is much the same. When you have a vision, its hard to share-until its done.
I've learned over the many years of following Pink Floyd, attending concerts, watching interviews, reading articles that Roger's word isn't to be trusted. He suffers from malignant narcissism, and unfortunately he let that spoil something that was bigger than he was. It's a shame, to be honest; to imagine what Pink Floyd could have achieved after the wall if Roger had checked his ego and valued the contribution of the other guys. Just listen to Dark Side and read the song credits. Wright, who Roger despised composed some fantastic music on that record and was a significant contributor to most of the other tracks. It's a bloody shame, yet so common, that one person's ego completely undermines a rare and unique chemistry of the greater whole.
@@Redguard677 I disagree that he carried them. If you look at the song credits on Dark Side, they all contributed significantly. After dark side the others' contributions dropped off. Why? Was it because Roger didn't want their contributions? I think there's strongvevidence for that on The Wall. Bob Ezrin said in an interview that Roger didn't even want Comfortably Numb on the record because Davd wrote all the music. Roger got his way on Final Cut, he was solely in charge of all of it.
@@jimturner4937 you are wrong. Roger is main composer of 4 songs on DSOTM (Time, Money, Brain Damage, Eclipse). Also he is co-author on Breathe and Us&Them. No DSOTM without Roger
@@Redguard677 no dsotm without gilmour or wright, even mason. They were some of the finest musicians out there, and they were "lucky" enough to be in the same group. Time may be lyrically one of the best songs of them and in music in general, props to Roger, but it has also one of the best intros with those drums and bass, and one of the best guitar solos too.
Its interesting hearing how the song was made and always thinking before this; how original, creative and artistic the bands music is. You guys are true legends, thank you for taking a stance to help protect our future. Inspired me a lot.
Ginger Gilmour said that they were in a restaurant where David and Roger were arguing over Comfortably Numb and Roger said he didn't want to use it on the album at which point David went ballistic and that if he had known karate he would have chopped the table in half with his bare hands.
David and Roger probably had disagreements, but at the end of the day probably respect each other. They are getting too old to carry resentment after all these years.
And that in a nutshell is why the Floyd were so good. Because the tiniest, tiniest perceived imperfection was enough to trigger rows in the studio between them. It made it hell for them, but heaven for us lucky listeners.
Regardless, the song is perfect and no doubt one of the best songs ever recorded.... like all Pink Floyd's songs....it's a true shame they couldn't get along enough to keep the band together.
Two egos., more Roger's big ego probably, simply put, which in the grand scheme of things in life is effing ridiculous. And David Gilmour's guitar solo at the end of Comfortably Numb during the 1994 Pulse concert is one of the most beautiful and underrated guitar solos of all time.
@@sandrahealy552 It was Guitar world that done the ranking, the UK version of Guitar world ranked it at number one. As for the other three I've no idea lol.
I love both Gilmour and waters . If you’re truly a pink Floyd fan you’d know that both of them together made it so great . Not discrediting the other members obviously who are also great
Personally I’m more of a Gilmour fan Great voice best guitar tone but the intensity between Waters and Gilmour is what made Pink Floyd so special all the members contributed to the incredible sound that Pink Floyd made
I'm at the Britanika Row recording studio in Islington right now. Everything reminds me of my times when I fell asleep on the album The wall, The animals
Roger is a musical genius but he's also an ego maniac, he didn't seem to understand they ALL contributed to make "Dark Side" the magical super hit It still is, Pink Floyd IMHO was the best group ever!
I've seen a lot of his interviews and don't think thats the case. He's never said that about their output until the late seventies when even Nick and Rick admit that they simply weren't bringing any creativity to the band. So obviously in that he's just being obvious. The lawsuit he's said he regretted, but at the time it was more for business reasons than the thought that they couldnt all contribute-although in large part they didn't, it wasn't until the second album that Rick started producing again. In the nineties you can read interviews with Dave and he sounds as presumptuous about the band as Roger was in the eighties. Of course a certain level of ego is going to be inherent in people this successful.
That's what makes bands like that so great. The conflict and tension that can sometimes exist can be combustible in a very good way and produce some amazing performances and great music. Bruce Springsteen once said that the whole must be more than the sum of it's parts or you're just rubbing two sticks together in search of a fire.
Everyone has there druthers. What SHOULD have been done, complete both versions then choose which to be released. On a later compilation album, release the other version. I bet both would have been great.
I suppose when you're recording and arranging, you're so much in the zone that the tiniest margins appear accentuated and glaring. As the creators/co-creators, it's your baby, so you listen to the nuances like nobody else.
Not really. If you proceed this way, you NEVER publish ANYTHING. Led Zeppelin I was recorded within 8 hours... Actually, the best thing to compare with art creation is... defecation!!! Sometimes you have to run to the toilets, sometimes, errr, I know some people who ended at the hospital due to constipation!
The fact that the song still stands and is held in the esteem that it is shows that it was worth it that they sweated these details and argued about it - they got the point with it that the song attained perfection in the view of most listeners
Pink Floyd is my favorite band, David Gilmour is my favorite guitarist, Roger Waters is my favorite lyricist, I even have Pink Floyd ink on my skin.... However I feel that without Roger it’s simply not true Pink Floyd, at least it’s not the Floyd that we all recognize, love, and are used to hearing. There is something about the Floyd with Roger that I cannot describe, idk if it’s his songwriting or silky smooth bass playing, or a combination of both but Floyd without him just doesn’t resonate and connect with me the way it does with him in the band. That’s not to say I don’t love Gilmour, I love every Pink Floyd album, albeit some more than others but I have a special place in my heart for every Pink Floyd album, even the Syd Barrett stuff. I really hope one day they will end this silly feud they have with each other. Also RIP Richard Wright, to me he was really a huge part of what made the Floyd’s sound so deep and rich. His keyboard textures and vocals were simply transcendental. When it comes right down to it without Roger, Dave, Richard, or Nick the music simply lacks the Floyd essence and there is definitely something blatantly absent without one of those four men contributing their individual statements within their music....
They were destined to break, they are both exceptional songwriters and also very different. Can’t be in the same band, it’s like two suns in the same solar system
Lots of bands have little arguments about the arrangement of songs. It says something about the interest people have of the wall and Pink Floyd, that they keep asking them over and over. Or it says something about the media.
The irony, for me, is that it's that conflict which is behind why the song is so stunningly amazing. A cut above the rest. Because the schizophrenic juxtaposition between Roger's part and David's part is what elevates the song towards one of the greatest songs ever for me. I get the sense that Roger's part is Pink's "external" world. The real world. The broken world. Dark, sickly, cynical. Downward, in depression. Pink, as he is. But then, with David's part, we enter Pink's "internal" world. His childhood memories. The idealistic world. Light, healing, innocent. Rising, in aspiration. Pink, as he wants to be. The song to me is that contradiction. That juxtaposition. It works because it is schizophrenic like that - and, in a sense, you guys needed to be on two different pages, of two different minds, to capture that divided split personality. If you two had simply agreed, that jarring dynamic wouldn't have been there. And, as always in music, a bang sounds louder if preceded by silence. Silence is more piercing when it follows cacophony. So Roger's cynical darkness is more cutting for its contrast against David's uplifting rising nostalgia. And Dave's childhood idealism is more haunting, when following the broken adult that Pink has become, for knowing where the future leads. You raise each other up. The conflict laces its with a beautiful tension. Roger's discord has to resolve to David's harmony. Shattering Dave's harmony brings it back down to Earth once more. Either, alone, wouldn't have worked nearly so well. If you had agreed, if either of you had won the argument, if the "compromise" hadn't had to please you both, then the end result would have lost that necessary schizophrenic nature... and it is that elusive element, that you can't capture by design, which raises this above nearly all songs ever recorded before or since. It's a "snapshot" of glass in the midst of shattering, held in glistening freeze frame, at the very moment it exudes the greatest beauty. A moment before, a moment after, it's just glass or it's just shards on the floor. But in the moment of shattering, it courses cracks of lightning, it becomes a multi-faceted diamond that refracts complex light. Schizophrenic. Held in superposition. Neither one thing nor the other. A transition crystallised forever.
In my opinion the 1st solo is the best. It is more imaginative and original in its phrasing. The 2nd one is derived from the cord progression. But it's the last one, so it's the one DG had to pick to draw out in the Pulse album. Even there, it's longer because it's largely repetitive, not because he added any significant amount of new material to it.
The man who defined the sound of Pink Floyd was Rick Wright. Listen to his album 'Wet Dream' and you'll realise how just essential his influence in the band was.
King of the Anals and the Fist Men I feel the same way. I believe everything pre-Animals, Wright had a HUGE part of the songwriting process. Especially in the early days, some songs were exclusively written by him.
Yes. Rick was not much of a showman, you really didn't pay that much attention to him or realize his contribution--until you listen to Wet Dream. I had the same thought at the time, Rick Wright was Pink!
Bottom line is Pink Floyd went from good to amazing in the 70's when Roger took creative control of the band and concepts of Dark Side, Animals, Wall. They all contributed to tracks (writing and arranging), but without Roger, those albums would not have been hatched. He had to practically beat them over the head to even agree to The Wall as they all thought he was nuts. So much for "nuts". No coincidence that PF's greatest albums were when Roger was a "dick". I'm glad and the other members sure cashed enough checks from those concepts over the yrs too ;)
MrAitraining Waters didn't force The Wall on the others, they were in deep financial difficulties after losing money and owing tax so they needed to make another album. Waters presented two concept album ideas, Bricks in the Wall and The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking. Everyone but Steve O'Rourke voted for Bricks in the Wall.
Kristian Larsson most pf fans know that story - obviously wall was better product but ur still admitting my point. its still roger doing the concepting. HE had 2 b the creative force. u also leave out my other examples. animals etc.
+MrAitraining They lost a lot of money The Wall tour because Waters didn't want to play a stadium tour, the only who got away with it was Wright because Waters... well... fired him!
Leaving out Wish you were here! The fact is Gilmour and Wright both had much more to contribute [see solo albums-in the 70s and early 80s] better than anything waters has done on his own; but saying that Roger was sort of the art director of the band besides lyricist and is much missed--but not at the expense of the rest of the band. There are good lyrics in the Floyd without Waters, just not the platinum quality of Roger!
+Ande Boggs "better than anything waters has done on his own" Stuff like "Blue Light" and "Summer Elegy" is fine music -- and better than anything Waters has done on his own, certainly not.
Spot on they balanced each other....waters and the band and vice versa. You wouldnt have had the brilliance of the 70s without them dragging the best out of each other.
@Blind Brazilian Tex Atlantis David G is a class act. Roger left the band, and expected them to fold without him, and his huge ego, but when he kept going it made Roger furious enough to sue them to stop using the name. Roger is a dirt bag, but I still love him, and David G is a composed gentleman, and I love him too.
To be fair, Roger wrote some GREAT music!!!! Money, Meadows, Cirrus, Controls, Clegg, Raving, Days, etc. In Music...Composing is KEY!!! Roger reinvented Pink Floyd!!! I don't "agree" with Roger much, and think the band was Done after Animals, but Roger honestly should be Applauded for Saving Pink Floyd! Gilmour is LAZY!!! He sang & played Great on Dark Side, but Roger & Rick ARE the Composers! Love David's tone and voice-The Best!-but his composing is...Weak!!!
seems they can't appreciate each other for the immense talent they all have; best band in the world in my opinion. musical geniuses but,ego destroys the best of em. kiss and make up girls, we dedicated fans love you equally. may the souls of sid and rick be resting in peace.
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The Roger vs. David arguments are pointless. Most of us Pink Floyd fans admire both men and can appreciate what each contributed to the band. They've all done decent solo work, but it was as a band that the four of them produced the most important work.
haro82 Roger was the best lyricist, Dave the best musician. People say Roger had little input, which is bullshit as without him we'd have no Dark Side or the Wall.
haro82 You summed that up perfectly!
+Mean Mr Mustard and RICK!!! Rick was the Spirit! Listen to his Brilliance on Echoes!!! and he sang Perfectly with Dave!
Nick is also underrated! as far as Nice-GriefTourist-I can tell ya: Rick was a gent, cool, funny, and nice-as was Nick! Roger is a narcissist, and Bully! Dave is a Prick!!! .
Iracord Did you actually meet them?
+Mean Mr Mustard Yes, why would I say those observations if I had not!? During AHM tour in NYC-interviewed and photographed and ate with-they also had endless appetites...
Together they stood, divided they fell.
Actually, after Waters fired Richard Wright for being "lazy" only one side of the beautiful Dark Side prism fell and that was Roger Waters. He wanted to leave and take the Pink Floyd name with him.
Post-Waters Floyd was Floyd only in name, and three members. Divided, they did indeed fall. Momentary Lapse of Reason and the Division Bell are nowhere near the quality of their 70s stuff, with Roger Waters, sorry.
Danno The Manno but the division bell is a classic
I think Gilmour's doing OK
Roger was the creative BOSS of pink floyd during their immortal decade the 70's. The other 3 could never write a great concept album
Dave's Guitar solo on Comfortably numb has been voted by experts as the best ever and it is hard to disagree....just superb.
Check out the solo he does on his song “The Blue”...
@@stevea3149 Will do, thanks.
@@ericgeorge5483 let me know what you think. I think the best version is probably Live in Gdańsk
@@stevea3149 Difficult to say as Gilmore is such a guitar great. Few play with the emotion and passion that Dave does.
Dave's solos on the Live8 video are the best. Check it out and get back with me.
the whole Floyd argument to me was; David was tired of the CONCEPT albums that waters is greatly known for. All David wanted was a straight up rock and roll album without all the conceptual story lines and hidden innuendos, When A Momentary laps of Reason was being made. over 30 writers on that album trying to make it sound Floyd . but it wont happen without waters. however Rodger looking to replace David , picked up Eric Clapton on his first solo album PROS AND CONS... and Jeff Beck on Amused to death. it was conceptual , but it was not FLOYD without David Gilmour. ( or Richard Wright ) so PINK FLOYD is not just David Gilmour nor is it just Rodger Waters. FLOYD is - Waters, Gilmour, Mason ,& Wright
...with a hint of syd barrett somewhere in the background...
Both parties obviously went on to make some great music on their own, but like Julian Hopps said, neither sounded completely like Pink Floyd. Each was missing a key ingredient.
pink floyd is synergy?? Synergy was a experimental electronica band rumored to have been Peter Gabriel's soundcheck crew that seemed good enough to cut a couple albums.
Lol, but it was still more Floydish than anything Gilmour did afterwards.
truth on that, everything from REASON up to now (and I expect the much the same on floyds new album ) sounds like Davids solo stuff from the 80s
These guys music remains young and will be listened too for ages. It never gets old for me.
Or until all us old fogies pass on. I don't think the kids these days, even know who Pink Floyd is.
I'll be sure to pass the torch on
My kids, 16 and 13, know. And they perform PF music at small gigs. And other kids their age love it. So, when I pop me clogs, maybe they or others like them will be keep the light shining.
Adam Salinas Roger Waters is like wine. The older, the better
Their music is timeless!
They are both geniuses. They wrote music for the sake of music not to sell records like the majority of artists today. Most present day music will be forgotten by next year. What Pink Floyd created were masterpieces that will endure for all humanity.
Alot of music from the 60s and 70s has also faded away with time. Every generation or decade has its goods and bads
The reason is true genius in creativity is art and is appreciated as such for all time
Make no mistake that once they got a taste of success they wanted to sell a shit ton of records and felt the pressure to continue to do so from the record company. They were very focused on making money and enjoying the lifestyle that comes with it too. Floyd was lucky enough to make the music they wanted while meeting both goals. It was never a bi polar choice.
Roger Waters dijo en una entrevista que comenzó a hacer música porque quería conocer muchas mujeres jaja
@@kingtrance307 That's true. I saw an interview with David Gilmour many years ago where he was saying "yeah, we were trying to get rich and famous". But he also said "we are trying to make music that is beautiful and moves your emotions around a bit". So it's both goals, like you said of course. And they succeeded with both goals perfectly! Brilliant!
Both Roger Waters and David Gilmore are exceptional musicians. Why take sides?
They both brought amazing creativity and musicianship to Pink Floyd. When you hear "Pink Floyd" reunion concerts with either one missing there is a void that cannot otherwise be filled.
I totally agree with you, its a pointless position to take sides, just enjoy their music together, and their separate paths they chose with their music creativity, we get the best of both worlds...
Jason Pitre / Roger himself admitted he wasn’t much of a musician. David Gilmour is a solid musician but he’s really not the idea man that Roger is. MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON IS AN ALBUM BY COMMITTEE. Its not really a group effort
Don't you know how the internet works?:) Roger wrote an opera by the way, I think you have to be a LITTLE bit of a musician. I"M not much of a musician. To call a guy who has played and written music all their life 'not much of a musician' seems a little odd. I actually like Momentary Lapse of Reason. I don't give a shit about the arguments. I also agree with an above poster, I think Amused to Death is better than most of what Pink Floyd did. But hey, again, I"m not much of a musician, but I know what I like (or do I:)
Mike Archibald What Waters really meant was not much of an instrumentalist. Of course, you’re right, he certainly is a musician.
Why is Rick never mentioned? He is just as crucial as David, if not more for the Floyd sound. Or fucking Syd, who forever left a mark on the sound.
I think one of the reasons why Pink Floyd was so great is because of the friction between Rogers and David. Them always trying to out-do each other on the bass and the electric and their competitiveness made them get better and better and they feeded off each other's skill. It was something that made both of them keep getting better and improving.
Most good bands have a battle whereby two people both think they are the “star” for want of a better description.
@@davecrawley4634 Makes me think of Slash and Axl
@@dakotanichols8533 all of them.
Aerosmith. Zep. Beatles. Stones.
Lead guitarist and front men clash. Even Queen had that.
I hate to be that guy, but they never competed on bass and guitar. Most often, the bass you're hearing was played by Gilmour. The two of them used to laugh when Waters was voted among the best bassists when he hadn't even played on the songs.
What made the two work well together was that Roger was a very dominant figure and gave the band direction and Wright and Mason would just go along with whatever he said. David went along, to a point. He was the only member of the band who could stand up to Roger and tell him when enough was enough. He stopped doing this on The Final Cut, and the results are apparent.
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Yeh, there's probably something to that point.
I wouldn't say Dave played the bass on all the songs though - or even most.
From what I've read, Dave did the bass in the recordings for a few songs.
Probably some of the best ones! (off 'Animals' anyway).
Mason and Wright did go along with the other two, though they fit in perfectly, and added their own masterful sound to the overall Pink Floyd ensemble that, like other amazing bands, cannot be recreated by any single member by themselves.
Pink floyd was one the very few bands that their music will always soar until the end of mankind. It cannot be duplicated.
Hopefully, you can do better music, but the media will shy out
actually I think Brit Floyd comes pretty close.
i've seen them on PBS and I think they do a very good job of approximating Floyd music as cover bands go.
Lexington Lab Band covers them and everyone else really well.
They even sent Pink Floyd music into space. No wonder we haven't been invaded by Aliens
Comfortably Numb in my opinion is musical masterpiece, It's the only song that effects my differently every time i hear it
Yes. Time, Brain Damage are good too. Us and Them makes me cry every time. Wish you were here becomes more powerful everyday I get older.
Some of Syds really late stuff like Jugband Blues and Dark Globe are really powerful too. Dark globe was really the kick off for Dark Side of the Moon and DSOM was when Floyd became Floyd to the masses.
only if you're into smoking pot or eating benzodiazepin.
If not, it's fucking boring!
@@Haroun-El-Poussah your opinion friend, I listen while sober and enjoy as much as if I'd smoked weed
@@Haroun-El-Poussah yeah, i dont smoke or even drink really and it is in my top 10 songs of all time easily
Yes indeed, another masterpiece is for example: On the turning away!
I've always hated one band member is better than another arguments.
The whole reason I like a group as opposed to a solo artist is the variety in scope that it provides musically. When I see performances of say Comfortably Numb without Roger, I miss Roger's unique voice on it and I'm sure much more vice versa. Plus, it's not always about having a super nice singing voice, rather it's about being a great voice actor, which both Roger and David are. To me, Roger's voice always sort of added a Vincent Price kind of eerie element to the songs especially on songs in The Wall.
He sang like a strngled cat. His bass playing was average live. David did a lot of the bass parts in the studio.
It really does show you how very hard it is to be a group, doesn't it?
Let's not exaggerate. As far as I know, Gilmour played bass on a handful of tracks between 1968 and 1983.
David played some of the bass but not the majority. Waters played some of the guitar.
In addition to bass, Waters also recorded guitar parts in the studio, as well as doing synth and sound design stuff.
Roger Waters is amazing at sounding tortured. It was perfect for every sone he sang in. Hating roger waters in my eyes is hating Pink Floyd. He founded it, he made some of the best stuff, and even when Gilmore is singing, he was reading off of Rogers lyrics (most of the time). They both are central to the main mechanism of the band and both are geniuses.
This is why the records are so good, every note and lyric was heavily scrutinised. So when they did finally agree on something it had to be undeniably great.
There are countless milestones records that were done in flow mode, with sometimes a recording time that is the same as what you are listening to... Just consider Miles Davis ' In a Silent Way... They weren't even supposed to record! Miles was in the control room and they were doing sound tests. When he heard what Mahavishnu was doing, and he just hired him 2 days before, he told the engineer to NOT stop to record...
By heavily scrutinizing every note, you end doing nothing!
Al this waters vs Gilmour crap. Both brilliant. Somebody has already said Gilmours notes hook you in and Waters lyrics keep you listening. Without both Floyd wouldn't have been great. Whilst I agree division bell doesn't sound floydish it is still a very good album of music, put into some other bands repertoire(ie u2, radiohead etc)and people would rave about it. Fairs fair.
I completely agree with you
Christy Long I am with you on this .....completely .
Agreed
"Gilmours notes... and Waters lyrics" Waters wrote most of the music for '70s Floyd.
Joseph Scott but David’s lead playing is what drove the band up to where they achieved. David did a lot of writing of dsoth and solos on the wall. Plus his singing mixed with waters formed a perfect duo. Plus it should be known that Sid wanted to form Floyd with David when the band formed, but it didn’t work out at that time. Floyd would be nothing without both waters and Gilmore.
"There was quite a serious argument between me and David." Wasn't that basically all Pink Floyd songs? 😉
David claimed that he had a friendly teamwork with Roger on making Wish You Were Here. That's why it credited to both Waters and Gilmour.
Nope : wasn't the case with Syd : Syd was a true genius.
Therefore...
_"But first of all, we must get rid from Syd"_ -R.Waters
I find this comforting as a musician that Roger and David both have parts in Comfortably Numb that they didn’t like or hated… makes me feel better when there’s that ONE thing in my songs that is jarring, that I hate, but have to get over. Knowing they didn’t like it but it was still fantastic is comforting in a weird way. Musicians will understand what I’m saying
U got a link?
Someone else on RUclips said Gilmour lost the hair and kept the voice, Waters kept the hair and lost the voice, and Wright kept both. The same thing goes for aging. Waters looks much better now than he did in the early Pink Floyd days while Gilmour is the opposite. (sorry Dave, you're still my favorite guitarist :))
So are you into music or you're metrosexual?
PF Real Estate Group I am just stating the obvious.
nobody gives a shit about their hair!
yea who cares its all about the music
Gilmour may not look as good as he did back then, but there's still something about him that makes him quite handsome.
I think everybody knows that Waters wrote most of the songs but they also love Gilmour because of his "sound" that he provided for all the songs. Also known as the Pink Floyd "sound". That´s what made Pink Floyd so great, Waters songwriting and Gilmours unique "sound". Why argue and pick a side? Waters or Gilmour? I think we all want them to write music together. We love Pink Floyd because of the beautiful music they made togheter
Word!! You are soooo right bro....
I 100000 % agree... Come on guys. Make at least one final album together.
Hrmm. I dunno. I listen to Pros and Cons with Clapton, and I'm just as happy as I ever was when it was Gilmour. I listen to Amused to Death, and I'm as happy with Beck as I ever was with Gilmour. I listen to Gilmour without Waters and all that keeps ringing in my mind is that the lyrical brilliance of Waters is completely missing. God, Gilmour is one awful lyricist.
Roger make de lyrics, roger waters, the music was composed by gilmour and wright, but waters thinks " i wrote the lyric, the song its mine"
Tomas Garcia actually roger waters wrote majority of the classic songs. Is just Gilmour had sang more and played more guitar, so I wouldn’t say either of them owns the songs. Roger Waters most definitely did not only write lyrics though. He did both
Dave and Roger sound like they're the nicest guys on the planet. Just not when they're in the same room together.
But the firey disagreements is what made the music what it is.
Rodger waters nicest guy on planet ???? What ???
jerrywitaj Did you know you can disapprove of the Israeli government’s horrific treatment of Palestinians without hating all Jews? Their government needs to make changes. Has absolutely nothing to do with their religion or ethnicity. But sure, go around calling everyone anti-Semites anyways. All the other fuckwits on Fox News do it so you might as well too.
So true, like Fleetwood Mac they all were f'n each other one way or the other but put their best work out then.
alex chalakee, Roger is a huge twat
@@turdferguson8227 maybe or maybe not. But he's made some of the greatest music ever. And the reason for you being here.
This is why creative geniuses tend not to work well together. Too many chiefs and not enough indians.
But it is all about the end product, look at the music Pink Floyd made... can't lose sight of the big picture. I'm sure you agree though.
There was only 1 creative genius in the studio then. ROGER
Yeah, ask him and he'll agree.
Then, on the other end of the spectrum, there's Geddy, Alex and Neil! They worked quite well together for 40+ years!
What about Queen? They were all Chiefs
In my eyes Pink Floyd was best explained by Richard Wright in an interview. "I WOULD LOVE TO DO PINK FLOYD MUSIC AGAIN"-the key is that the music made was more than any one band member. There was a special sound that is never repeated when they do solo albums. Have seen every American tour and all I can add is WISH YOU WERE HERE !!!-RIP Richard Wright you are so missed
+Tinman 1000% agreed! Met them all and Rick was the coolest and WAS the Spirit and glue of the band!!!
+James “Jim” Greene Could not resist:-) "Water", "Gilmore" Which band are you thinking of? :-)
Richard wanted Waters, Gilmore, Mason & himself to get together 1 more time
+James “Jim” Greene "Not a huge fan of Water, and I am a huge fan of Gilmore" What are your favorite Pink Floyd tracks? "The Narrow Way," "A Spanish Piece," "Fat Old Sun" and "Childhood's End"? Me either.
Hi Jim. "Favorites of mine are Animals and..." "His influence and writing made Pink Floyd what they are" Yes. Sounds like you're a huge fan of Roger Waters,
Without David Gilmour's guitar and voice the song would not be epic
To Roger Waters' credit, I think he would acknowledge that statement.
@@markflemmer1326 I doubt that
@@Rockandrollgeerage I do know that he at least acknowledges that Dave's voice is far better than his own. However, I can understand your skepticism at my first post, based on their history.
yeah but here are in discussion other type of parameters, more in a creative way than thechnichal. Of course daves voice and guitar are the soul of floyd, but theres a lot behind the creation of those songs.
@@markflemmer1326 ....... with reluctance and through gritted teeth, for sure ..!!
Er....can I just find some common ground here and put it out that actually Richard Wright's wonderful keyboard work gave the band's music its unique identity?
I'm with you pal.
Just the keyboard?
Player 1 Yes, just the keyboard..They should have removed everything from every one of their songs and just left the keyboards, they would have won more Grammy's!
Bach, Mendelsohn, Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson etc.; sorry guys, your keyboard work doesn't seem to cut it with some people.
Mr Wrights keyboards are one of a kind!!!! R.I.P RICHARD!
The perfection of both artists brought us one of the most perfect tracks in rock history. I don't think there is a single Floyd fan out there who would say Comfortably Numb is flawed.
That's right, it is not flawed in any way. And Richard Kaeman
My daughter asked me about Pink Floyd when she was a teenager. My reply to her was that they did what no one else had done and probably never will do.
What had tea on stage?
Haha jk they did so many great things
You are bringing your daughter up well. Kudos and may she continue to listen to the FLOYD for all eternity!!! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
@@barbarawells6845 What a dreadful prospect !
The Not 2 Collective wow what an asshole you are!
Ashiqur rahman Gotta be that way as a parent sometimes, that is unless you want thin skinned children
It's nice to see that they've mellowed now with the perspective that age gives you.
I don`t think it has anything to do with age. He described disagreements during the creative process of a song. If they were to compose the song today they might have the very same disagreements.
People do not get "numb" as they get older unless they have some kind of dementia. I know a few people who are still very sharp at age 90.
And there is a very high number of suicides among older people, who are tired of suffering and loneliness. They surely would not do that, if they were "numb".
I think a lot has to do with age. For me as I get older I get wiser due to personal experiences. As you get older you decided what arguments are worth to argue over and which ones are a waste of time. You only live this life time once so maybe that is why they are both mellowing out. Cheers
The amazing thing about Floyd is that, even when they *WERE* youngsters in comparison with what they are today, they *STILL* had more of the "perspective that age gives you" than most people will ever have even at 90! In fact, listening to Floyd - especially their "greatest albums", of course (they are all great!) - at 18 or so can even help those who *UNDERSTAND* its meaning to skip the next decade (or more) of comparative ignorance, and jump straight into the beginning - usually at around 30-35 or so - of that very "age-earned perspective" itself...!! Unbelievable genius. And absolutely immortal when seen live. So grateful that I have seen them, once... and so indescribably sad (and I will forever kick myself because of it) that I waited - too long - to see Bowie live, too. But at least I shared the same Earth, at the same time... and that is good enough for the likes of *ME*.... so far removed from the genius of him (and Floyd...!).
+misanthrop1958
I'm sorry, but you have totally misunderstood the meaning of the song, and/or of the comment(s) above.
_"Comfortably Numb"_ has *NOTHING* to do with ageing... as in "growing numb simply because you are getting older"... but *everything* to do with ageing as a process, and becoming an adult, and what the world does to *ALL* of us as we do so... not "ageing", but the process of maturity, the way in which the events of our lives both shape us and, if we are not careful, damage and may even destoy us; and the passage of Time... Oh, and so much more! Have you not even seen the film in which this song appears? _"The Wall"...?_ If you *HAVE,* well - you would be rather strange, to say the least, to have even made such a comment. If not, you *MUST.* The character about whom this song is written is *NOT* old, not at all... actually, he (and he is, of course, a metaphor...) is quite *YOUNG,* just for starters!!
And I say this, to anyone who is reading: *EVERYONE* (over about 12-15; it's a bit scary in terms of its animated sequences and its implications - it's not a horror/gore film!) should - must - see _"The Wall"._ If you have *NOT,* well: watch it. The original. It will teach you so much, not just about this song; not just about Pink Floyd; but about Life itself.
Both he and Gilmour are brilliant in their own way. I admire Gilmour's dreamy guitar style of playing and his vocals, while I appreciate Waters prolific, cerebral, lyrics and song writing abilities. However it seems to me Gilmour is more humble and band oriented while waters is more ego driven and self righteous. Gilmour has this unpetentious way about him, I can't say the same for Waters who bullies the other band mates and was always very difficult to satisfy.
Yep, rogers dominance ultimately led to their first big breakup
It's been said in various Floyd documentaries that Roger is very "A1 Alpha Male".
You know nothing about the minds of other men. Get a life, beta.
@@colby7325 Yep, Roger's dominance ultimately led to their big success.
@@deller5924 Funny how it did'nt help him much once the band was gone
Without Roger, there would be much less Pink Floyd. I absolutely love this guy and his writing ability. It is and was a combo of every member of the group that made the band the best in the world of our times. I was part of the experience in '73 in Buffalo N.Y and was totally blown away, and never looked back. A huge fan.
Do you take drugs or are you in a phyc ward?
I Absolutely love Pink Floyd there the best
@@ronniesutton1652 what
WHAT NEWS. !!!
I SAW 3 PINK FLOYD CONCERTS IN FRANCE AND GERMANY ! 120,000 FANS EACH SHOW, WOW !
Rev. Jack
All song theme was create by Roger he is the backbone ,guitar solo is the filler what Dave does so tell who is superior
And together you managed to create a masterpiece. Amazing!!
I was Michael Kamen’s postman ......I’d often see him walking his dog, he was the nicest guy you could ever meet....always stopped to say hello. RIP big man
He was a very talented guy. He wrote all that brilliant music in the first Highlander movie when Conor is learning how to use a sword.
Got to see Roger do The Wall Tour at the Pepsi Center in Denver about 7 years ago, I'e been a huge fan of PF since 83, he put on an amazing show. One I will never forget. To any PF fan out there there is no way you can love David and not Roger or Roger and not David. These 2 together were an amazing musical force that even 53 years later new generations are finding their music and becoming fans. THAT'S talent and skill right there.
Actually love that they made this compromise. It makes the song and each of its verses and choruses individually
more dynamic and I can't listed to the track without hearing the change now
Roger had a problem with expropriating David's material and the direction of the band in general. David has stated before that he never tried to tamper or influence Roger's songs or writing, but Roger always felt the need to tweek his. For instance, he wanted to be the one to chime in and sing the lyric, "I have become comfortably numb". It wouldn't have worked, David made it sound much sweeter. While Roger had brilliant ideas in terms of songwriting and lyrics, it was David's temperament towards the music that made it really work and shine. For instance, on TDSOTM, Roger wanted the album to sound dry. Fortunately, Alan Parsons was more sympathetic do David's view of having the album to sound "swampy" with a lot of echo and reverb. I couldn't imagine the album sounding any other way.
Gilmour is a excelente guitar only.
+Fibonacci Construções Then you neither know that much about Pink Floyd or David Gilmour. Pink Floyd was only successful through the collaborative efforts of all members, but mostly through David Gilmour and Roger Waters. Take the Dark Side of The Moon for instance. While there was a nearly equal contribution from all members, it was Rogers songwriting and lyrics that stood out as well as David's and the rest of the band's musicianship. If it weren't for David's influence on Alan Parsons, the Dark Side Of The Moon would of sounded dryer, like a John Lennon album. Thank God it didn't. It's no wonder, then, that David usually served as musical director for subsequent albums. This is fact, not opinion....something that you and other David Gilmour detractors can't take away or refute.
"If it weren't for David's influence on Alan Parsons, the Dark Side Of The Moon would of sounded dryer, like a John Lennon album." Dryer in what way?
+Joseph Scott It's been said that Roger was heavily influenced by John Lennon and often used him as a measuring stick for his own success. A good example to contrast Dark Side of the Moon would be "Pigs". That's very dry compared to the DSOTM album. Definitely has more of an edge and bite to it.
Do you mean an "edge and bite" to the music or production as opposed to the lyrics?
Roger could fall out with himself in a room on his own....although I saw him on the recent Us and Them tour and it was excellent.
_"and they sent us along as a surrogate band"_
The songs Roger and David wrote together are sublime. I wish they would have collaborated more.
They worked together during their prime years, I don't know if they could've created much more than they did.
2:07 I saw that!
+Armadillo he's only human :) he nose that
+valhalla homebound knows* lol
+valhalla homebound Waters is human. Gilmour? a GOD!
+pinkeye00 - You missed the joke..
+Armadillo hahahhaahaahhah!
Everyone needs to breathe
Comfortably numb is a transcendence song.
When I listen to that song on RUclips it blows my mind that it has been viewed over 200 million times. That speaks for itself
It takes Roger and David together to produce the "real" Pink Floyd.... even the Syd Barrett stuff isnt THAT awesome.. mainly awesome because of the whole Syd "legendary" story... Roger is the one who came up with the concepts, the lyrics... and MOST of the music, and Dave sang and came up with solos and played guitar.... PINK FLOYD is BY FAR my favorite band ever, Im obsessed... it takes both of them. Although I lean toward Roger because lyrics and melodies are the root of music
OMG! Somebody who isn't me, giving Roger Waters the credit he's due? Amazing!
Ben Culture add me to the list. hell with his bass playing, his vocal melodies and amazing lyrics are what MADE floyd. I couldn't stand anything by PF after Roger left.
Yes, Pink Floyd is legendary greatness but Barrett was great in his own right. The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn is a highlight of 60s music in general and I argue that had Syd never got hung up on drugs, the Floyd might have went a direction that could have challenged both the Stones and the Beatles, as far as mainstream goes. Personally, I'll take Pink Floyd over those bands any day.
Dave is a better musician yes. Singing no. They have different styles. Yes David is more Melodic.
But Roger could narrate the phone book and it would sound good. Gilmour sings his pasty non-roger lyrics and they just don't affect me.
I would also argue that Richard Wright was the musical man in this band.
I never really liked Piper or the 'other' roger. But obviously he affected the band forever.
I have a recurring dream where Roger has a beer with Nick and Dave and they do a one-off album in Dave's home studio as a trio, pre-Dark Side Grandchester Meadows era-kind of stuff. Just for the hell of it. Stupid dream, I know, these guys, especially Roger, don't tend to do things just for fun anymore. But a fan can dream, right?
It's not a dream to become true but it's a very nice dream. You may even hear a few songs of that album
Helium Road you may say you're a dreamer but you are not the only one .... 😆
That's not a stupid dream. That's a very nice dream. It's probably the waking up from it and realising that it was a dream, that's a bit crap feeling I would have thought. It would have been splendid if they could have pulled their fingers out and actually got something like that done, prior to Richard's death. And Syd's.
If it's just a dream, dream Richard in the next time, please!
Roger's 'Amused To Death' album was proof to me that he was key to Pink Floyd's best work. That album is a pure, put the headphones on and disappear for an hour musical journey, right up there with the best of any Floyd album. Just imagine how much more amazing it might have been with David's guitar input.
Tricky ... DG playing agressive licks like the GREAT Jeff beck did ?? uh, don;t think so
Nah they both just aren’t the same on their own. David is imo due to the fact that his voice is much more melodic and he’s a guitarist. But Roger has that crazy creative side and that’s what I like about him too.
1979. When I was a kid I this music came to life and I loved to listen to it. Thank you, Roger.
You joined the party about a decade late
I JUST now listened to both the FIRST & SECOND verses of COMFORTABLY NUMB, and the ONLY difference I can discernably detect, minus some extra orchestration in the 2nd, is an ever-so lightly strumming acoustic guitar track. You CANNOT hear the acoustic in the 1st verse, but it's there in the second, its just very quiet. To be honest it picks up the pace in the 2nd verse just a wee bit.
It sounds to me like maybe it's the bass that he's talking about being more rhythmically precise. It's very subtle, and may just be my ears playing tricks on me, but there seems to be a bit more attack on the bass in the second verse.
People say Dave and Rog argue over nothing but the way Rog takes any opportunity to shade Rick, even after his passing, for me is quite hard to swallow
Totally. Dave supported Rick + Nick but Waters almost seems to regard them as session musicians.
Can I ask what are you referring to? I looked up what Roger has said about him after he died and I found this;
"The band has a famous history of bust-ups and of course there’s that bust-up between you and Rick Wright who’s recently passed away. How do you reflect on him now that..it’s all over?’ Waleed asked Roger.
Reflecting on the question, Roger replied: ‘We spent quite a lot of time together sort of working but we were never really together.
We were on kind of parallel tracks for a while - fellow travellers with goals in common.’
Pushing the issue, Waleed asked Roger if Richard’s death had made him view the relationship in a different light.
‘No, it didn’t change how I feel about him,’ Roger replied. ‘He was super important to all that work we did together.’"
He doesn't disrepcect Nick in any way there... is there something else he said?
@@Drenwickification people just want a black and white view of a band that got stale in 83
There seems to be a lot of anti Rogers rhetoric, that if you know the story around the split, is totally unfounded.
I don't get it.
Who cares if he was a "great" bassist or not? Musicianship for its own sake -- technical mastery of a tool like a bass or a synthesizer -- was never the point with Pink Floyd. If you want that there are other bands where the discussion is relevant. Waters wrote and played the notes that were appropriate to serve the song. Gilmour and Wright too -- they never tried to be "shredders." The band would not have been nearly as interesting if they had.
+Jason Patron If you listen to "Raving And Drooling" Wembley 1974, it's not as if the band is having to put up with Sid Vicious or something! It's very good.
Roger was not much of a musician, and not a great bassist. Gilmour said once that he played Bass on many Pink Floyd recordings--because he could play it faster. And all the while Roger was getting those "Greatest Bassist" awards... Likewise, when asked if he was nervous about replacing Roger Waters in Pink Floyd, Guy Pratt said "not really", because Roger Waters didn't play the Bass that much on the records.
"Neither he nor I would accept that." Veiled respect for Gilmour hidden in that statement!
I don't know why-but I just watched two videos of people's first reaction to Pink Floyd-never done that before. I got my usual goosebumps but, watching their faces transform took me right back to that smokey basement when someone put on the LP for the first time...no fanfare, we didn't know who they were and there was no MTV-but we were never the same.
What a joy to see young faces with tears...
Cheers, from Toronto ♥
I've just seen those videos too and my feelings are exactly the same as yours. I first heard Dark Side of the Moon when I was about 12 and it blew my young mind. Even at a young age my world was changed in a single track. I'd never heard music like it. Then some years later I was introduced to The Wall and my adult mind was blown away all over again. Both the musical aspect and the emotional aspect floored me and my world was changed again. Again, I had never heard music like it. Seeing The Wall performed at Earl's Court my mind nearly exploded. To this day Pink Floyd albums amaze me just as they did all those years ago.
The song is beautiful by itself, especially within the The Wall concept, but David's solos make it brilliant and unforgettable.
I am a huge Pink Floyd fan and a huge Roger Waters fan (and of his solo work),but have to admit the Syd Barrett and the post Waters era is not my favourite but I appreciate it. Pink Floyd's most productive era is the Roger Waters/David Gilmour era where they produced with Nick Mason and Richard Wright some amazing music together, weather RW and DG argued and who was right who was wrong I do not personally care as it gave us fantastic music and we can take the rewards and listen to them whenever we so choose. Waters lyrics and ideas are amazing and Gilmours guitar craft and musicality is sublime. Here endeth the arguments and lets just enjoy the beauty of the music they made
Endeth?
They will continueth long aftereth they, you, and i are long goneth.
No way man....Yeah sounds about right. :)
Fer real. Why cant assholes just ENJOY a great legendary sound and craft?
Oh, and Waters IS Floyd, okay? The soul and intellect behind the beginnings of the band. Yeah, Gilmour "saved" it. Whatever. Floyd will always be Waters' ingenuity. DG just took the finished product for the ride out.
Craig Smith Ok, so, if Rogers IS Floyd, does that make Dave Pink?
Guess that answers that question finally!
There's nothing wrong with giving Opinions, really. It's just certain people are so bull-headed that their opinion is the only one that counts and everyone else just doesn't know what they are talking about. If someone says sugar is sweet, that's not an opinion, that's a fact. But some people will tell you Sugar is not sweet, it's salty and they won't hear anything to the contrary. I remember one time a guy said my snatch smelled like Cod, but the next guy said it smelled like Trout, now that's two different opinions especially after I thought it smelled like Albacore, myself....
If Roger explained all his arguments we’d be here a long time...
As a songwriter I know what he says is so true.
yep lol... So hard to work as a team when it comes to art.
When is the world tour for your music again?
I've agonised for a week over choosing between 2 notes, both notes would sound fine to anyone but when you're writing there's this weird OCD that creeps over you
I can't honestly take side to either Roger Waters, or David Gilmour, because they both had a huge part in making one of the greatest bands in the world.
Pink Floyd.
where the whole was greater than the sum of its parts.
right on
The result of your combined effort is what matters most. To this day, this song is one of the most brilliantly performed and produced songs of all time. David's guitar work is absolutely among the top guitar solos of all time, and the lyrics, as presented, are hauntingly beautiful and perfect. Regardless of differences in opinions, this song is legendary, and perhaps one of the most pleasing and perfect songs of all time. Congrats to the entire band- I can't imagine it possibly being any better than the released version. In fact, the entire concept LP was brilliant, a tribute to your genius. Comfortably Numb remains my favorite song ever recorded. Thank you for collaborating and allowing it to be released as is.
Agreed, my favourite too!
No one had or will ever make an album as great or unique as The Wall. My favorite song is Vera.
You have quite an unique taste
Rick Wright was there hidden talent .listen to his album wet dreams
muddavugger is right in that The Wall was a turning point for The Floyd - just not in the way he envisions. The Wall was the signal of the disintegration/demise of Pink Floyd as most fans recognize them - Waters, Gilmour, Wright, and Mason. He is correct in his assessment that Waters was the lyrical genius to the group, but I consider Gilmour to be his musical equivalent. Waters's words were brought to higher levels because of Gilmour's compositions and musicianship - they each brought out the best in the other. Sadly for all of us, Waters's inability to appreciate his bandmates' capabilities/contributions led to his separation from them after the Wall was completed.
The one clear mistake in muddavugger's statement is that The Wall was not the ORIGINAL turning point for Pink Floyd - that distinction clearly belongs to "Dark Side of the Moon". It debuted on the Billboard charts in 1973, and didn't leave until 1988 - meaning it was on the charts for 6 years before The Wall's 1979 release, and remained on those charts for another 9 years afterward.It is an album unlike any other, and it's impact will never be duplicated.
+Chuck Waterman "Waters was the lyrical genius to the group, but I consider Gilmour to be his musical equivalent." Waters wrote so much of the music for Pink Floyd's songs that it would probably be more accurate to say that Waters and Gilmour's music writing combined was the equivalent of Waters' lyric writing.
+Joseph Scott I see that you are a big Roger Waters fan. I don't know everything about Pink Floyd, but one thing I know for sure, is that Waters did not write most of the music. Yes, he wrote everything on the Final Cut, but that was because he didn't allow the input of the others. He actually said: 'It's my project, they are allowed to come with ideas, but I'm the boss'. He did exactly the same on The Wall. You can't be in a band if you think like this. Anyway, Roger Waters wrote the lyrics of Shine on you crazy diamond and Wish you were, but only after he heard David Gilmour playing the distinctive notes. Both songs. The whole guitar intro - and the saxophone solo - of 'Shine on' that we all love are David's work and ideas. Same story for Wish you were here. Comfortably Numb is David Gilmours work, Roger didn't want that song on The Wall. Run like hell; Another Brick in the Wall; Hey you: the music for all three songs are written by David.
+Joseph Scott The solo work of Roger Waters is great, but is miss the guitar parts, the solos, the music at all. It's mostly lyrics, with the music softly in the background. So I prefer David Gilmours solo albums: a lot of music, with great lyrics. Not as good as Rogers lyrics, but good enough.
+Ruurd Kempenaar "I don't know everything about Pink Floyd, but one thing I know for sure, is that Waters did not write most of the music." You're mistaken.
+Joseph Scott almost everything on 'TDSOTM', 'Shine On' and 'Wish You Were Here' on WYWH. The guitar parts in Dogs, Sheep, Pigs, etc. All the good songs on The Wall, like Comfortably Numb, Run Like Hell, Ankther Brick in the Wall, the solo in Hey You. It's not like Roger walked down to David, showed him a guitar solo and learned David how to play the solo. Or do you think that? In that case, why doesn't play Roger the guitar solos himself? Why is he, compared to David, such an awful guitarist? I play the guitar better than he does! But that's not the point. My point is that David did write all the solos, electrical and acoustic, and wrote the music for all the good songs. The songs for which Roger wrote the music are just are really stupid, except for a few, like Brain Damage and Money. The only thing I like in the othe All-Roger songs are the lyrics, because that was what he is good at: writing lyrics. And that was his place in Pink Floyd. And he should be respected for that.
If you ever see some of the later interviews amongst the four of them you can see a picture develop. I believe it was Wright that admitted that they had gotten to a point where they were not putting in like Waters was. Waters began to take control, Wright admits that they were not contributing and let him do most the work, but once that mindset took hold of in Waters mind that HE was in charge, he became very difficult to work with, and reached a point where he really wanted it all his way. There just was no going back from there and that is where that signature Floyd sound began to slip away. The real top sound that spanned that late 60s-early 70s period is unarguably the result of the full collaborative effort of all four of them working together. Waters and Wright were the driving force behind Saucer full of secrets, in fact Wright contributes more vocally on the album than the rest of the band combined, and Mason states that Saucer is his favorite. Dark Side and Wish is where you really see the four of them being musically united and working as a single mind, the best work of any period. Then through Animals and the Wall it become more and more Waters till you reached the point where he pushes his once strongest collaborator, Wright, out of the group and you then hit the final cut which is really a Roger Waters work under the Pink Floyd name, truthfully so is the Wall. I really liked Momentary Lapse of reason, it lacked Waters, but it was, as all bands go through regardless of member changes or not, a new direction. Bands must continue to explore fresh ideas. I seen that concert and the band was able to perform live, with out Waters just fine and the new material translated well. While I was not a fan of Division Bell as a whole, you can see a level of return to some of the earlier creative incarnation of sound as Gilmour, Mason, and Wright were all investing themselves into the music and each other. I have not heard all of Endless River, but i like what I have hear this far. Wright gets his credit where his credit is due finally. It is a good Pink Floyd Album. As a whole, there is a certain magic that come from Waters dark mind, Gilmour's incredible ability to breath a soul into a guitar, and Wright's haunting keyboard ability with Mason binding it all together. A truly special period of Floyd. At the end of the day, from Piper to Endless river, as truly incredible as that period was, it is not the whole of Pink Floyd. Each concept and periods of work have to be taken with its own merits. Only then can you truly appreciate each of them as they were meant to be.
Never even heard of Endless River, I'll check it out, thanks. As Bob Ezrin said about the fascism in 'The Wall' - Roger fit that bill pretty well. But every artist I've heard in an interview is much the same. When you have a vision, its hard to share-until its done.
AMLOR is a piece of shit. I despise post-Waters Floyd. 1967-1972 Floyd is the best, fuck Dark Side, and good night.
Too long bro. Make it short
Waters and Gilmores talent can't be compared..they're both geniuses !!
For ever.
In other words, it was more of an ego clash, than a technical disagreement.
NothingMaster no it was about the style of the song
I've learned over the many years of following Pink Floyd, attending concerts, watching interviews, reading articles that Roger's word isn't to be trusted. He suffers from malignant narcissism, and unfortunately he let that spoil something that was bigger than he was. It's a shame, to be honest; to imagine what Pink Floyd could have achieved after the wall if Roger had checked his ego and valued the contribution of the other guys. Just listen to Dark Side and read the song credits. Wright, who Roger despised composed some fantastic music on that record and was a significant contributor to most of the other tracks. It's a bloody shame, yet so common, that one person's ego completely undermines a rare and unique chemistry of the greater whole.
His ego undermines, but also he carried them in songwriting aspect
@@Redguard677 I disagree that he carried them. If you look at the song credits on Dark Side, they all contributed significantly. After dark side the others' contributions dropped off. Why? Was it because Roger didn't want their contributions? I think there's strongvevidence for that on The Wall. Bob Ezrin said in an interview that Roger didn't even want Comfortably Numb on the record because Davd wrote all the music. Roger got his way on Final Cut, he was solely in charge of all of it.
@@jimturner4937 you are wrong. Roger is main composer of 4 songs on DSOTM (Time, Money, Brain Damage, Eclipse). Also he is co-author on Breathe and Us&Them. No DSOTM without Roger
@@Redguard677 no dsotm without gilmour or wright, even mason. They were some of the finest musicians out there, and they were "lucky" enough to be in the same group. Time may be lyrically one of the best songs of them and in music in general, props to Roger, but it has also one of the best intros with those drums and bass, and one of the best guitar solos too.
@@unacuentadeyoutube13 they r not so fine. Fine musicians qre in ELP. Pink Floyd are mediocre musicians
This is probably the most generous Roger has been to David in any interview I've heard.
Its interesting hearing how the song was made and always thinking before this; how original, creative and artistic the bands music is. You guys are true legends, thank you for taking a stance to help protect our future. Inspired me a lot.
I for one am glad they fought over the production, we as the listeners clearly got the best of the best.
Ginger Gilmour said that they were in a restaurant where David and Roger were arguing over Comfortably Numb and Roger said he didn't want to use it on the album at which point David went ballistic and that if he had known karate he would have chopped the table in half with his bare hands.
😂
David and Roger probably had disagreements, but at the end of the day probably respect each other. They are getting too old to carry resentment after all these years.
Respect? Not At All...
No, I don't think that either have respect for the other. Roger was a flaming prick and that's that. Dave was so glad he quit.
And that in a nutshell is why the Floyd were so good. Because the tiniest, tiniest perceived imperfection was enough to trigger rows in the studio between them. It made it hell for them, but heaven for us lucky listeners.
2021. Ten years later. Hi, Roger Waters, Comfortably Numb was listened to by parents AND NOW grandchilderns are also listening, THAT'S WONDERFUL... 👋
Regardless, the song is perfect and no doubt one of the best songs ever recorded.... like all Pink Floyd's songs....it's a true shame they couldn't get along enough to keep the band together.
The second verse of comfortably numb has a punchy bass line, and that's probably what Dave Gilmour wanted throughout the whole song.
going to see Roger July 2020 Toronto, saw Floyd in 74, 95, can't wait
Two egos., more Roger's big ego probably, simply put, which in the grand scheme of things in life is effing ridiculous. And David Gilmour's guitar solo at the end of Comfortably Numb during the 1994 Pulse concert is one of the most beautiful and underrated guitar solos of all time.
pretty sure it’s not underrated
Yep seen and heard a lot of CN solos but the one on Pulse is probably his greatest but the Pompeii in 2016 when Gilmour was 70 is bloody close.
It's ranked as the fourth greatest guitar solos of all time.
@@secondchance6603 If you don't mind me asking, which 3 are better? In your opinion, that is :)
@@sandrahealy552 It was Guitar world that done the ranking, the UK version of Guitar world ranked it at number one. As for the other three I've no idea lol.
I happen to like both of there music separate and together. I think its all egos
I love both Gilmour and waters . If you’re truly a pink Floyd fan you’d know that both of them together made it so great . Not discrediting the other members obviously who are also great
Personally I’m more of a Gilmour fan Great voice best guitar tone but the intensity between Waters and Gilmour is what made Pink Floyd so special all the members contributed to the incredible sound that Pink Floyd made
I'm at the Britanika Row recording studio in Islington right now. Everything reminds me of my times when I fell asleep on the album The wall, The animals
Regardless, David's solo on that track is considered one of the best in R&R history.
This is exactly why they were better together than apart
What did he say Michael Cayman wrote for Comfortably Numb? (at 0:45)
Pink Floyd is probably the only band where I prefer listening to the live versions over the original recordings.
@PurpleStratocaster Agreed. Pulse (and Delicate) for me are essential listening. PF’s music takes on a whole new dimension when played live.
Roger is a musical genius but he's also an ego maniac, he didn't seem to understand they ALL contributed to make "Dark Side" the magical super hit It still is, Pink Floyd IMHO was the best group ever!
I've seen a lot of his interviews and don't think thats the case. He's never said that about their output until the late seventies when even Nick and Rick admit that they simply weren't bringing any creativity to the band. So obviously in that he's just being obvious. The lawsuit he's said he regretted, but at the time it was more for business reasons than the thought that they couldnt all contribute-although in large part they didn't, it wasn't until the second album that Rick started producing again. In the nineties you can read interviews with Dave and he sounds as presumptuous about the band as Roger was in the eighties. Of course a certain level of ego is going to be inherent in people this successful.
That's what makes bands like that so great. The conflict and tension that can sometimes exist can be combustible in a very good way and produce some amazing performances and great music. Bruce Springsteen once said that the whole must be more than the sum of it's parts or you're just rubbing two sticks together in search of a fire.
For real. Just think about "Rumors"
I seen Roger in the summer of 84 with Micheal Kamen and Eric Clapton best concert I ever witnessed
Everyone has there druthers. What SHOULD have been done, complete both versions then choose which to be released. On a later compilation album, release the other version.
I bet both would have been great.
did Roger ever introduce his version? because I would like to hear it
Comfortably Numb has one of David Gilmour's best solos.
I suppose when you're recording and arranging, you're so much in the zone that the tiniest margins appear accentuated and glaring. As the creators/co-creators, it's your baby, so you listen to the nuances like nobody else.
Not really. If you proceed this way, you NEVER publish ANYTHING.
Led Zeppelin I was recorded within 8 hours...
Actually, the best thing to compare with art creation is... defecation!!!
Sometimes you have to run to the toilets, sometimes, errr, I know some people who ended at the hospital due to constipation!
The fact that the song still stands and is held in the esteem that it is shows that it was worth it that they sweated these details and argued about it - they got the point with it that the song attained perfection in the view of most listeners
Pink Floyd is my favorite band, David Gilmour is my favorite guitarist, Roger Waters is my favorite lyricist, I even have Pink Floyd ink on my skin.... However I feel that without Roger it’s simply not true Pink Floyd, at least it’s not the Floyd that we all recognize, love, and are used to hearing. There is something about the Floyd with Roger that I cannot describe, idk if it’s his songwriting or silky smooth bass playing, or a combination of both but Floyd without him just doesn’t resonate and connect with me the way it does with him in the band. That’s not to say I don’t love Gilmour, I love every Pink Floyd album, albeit some more than others but I have a special place in my heart for every Pink Floyd album, even the Syd Barrett stuff. I really hope one day they will end this silly feud they have with each other. Also RIP Richard Wright, to me he was really a huge part of what made the Floyd’s sound so deep and rich. His keyboard textures and vocals were simply transcendental. When it comes right down to it without Roger, Dave, Richard, or Nick the music simply lacks the Floyd essence and there is definitely something blatantly absent without one of those four men contributing their individual statements within their music....
I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER, SAME FOR ME.
They CAN get together with the amazing Jon Carin on keys/guitars/vocals!!! But they won't...Never!!! Enjoy Meddle & the rest!
They were destined to break, they are both exceptional songwriters and also very different. Can’t be in the same band, it’s like two suns in the same solar system
Actually, there are lots of solar systems in the universe with planets revolving round two suns ...
Two suns in the sunset?
@@toastservant9542 yeah. Two light sides of the moon
Lots of bands have little arguments about the arrangement of songs. It says something about the interest people have of the wall and Pink Floyd, that they keep asking them over and over. Or it says something about the media.
The irony, for me, is that it's that conflict which is behind why the song is so stunningly amazing. A cut above the rest.
Because the schizophrenic juxtaposition between Roger's part and David's part is what elevates the song towards one of the greatest songs ever for me.
I get the sense that Roger's part is Pink's "external" world. The real world. The broken world. Dark, sickly, cynical. Downward, in depression. Pink, as he is.
But then, with David's part, we enter Pink's "internal" world. His childhood memories. The idealistic world. Light, healing, innocent. Rising, in aspiration. Pink, as he wants to be.
The song to me is that contradiction. That juxtaposition. It works because it is schizophrenic like that - and, in a sense, you guys needed to be on two different pages, of two different minds, to capture that divided split personality. If you two had simply agreed, that jarring dynamic wouldn't have been there.
And, as always in music, a bang sounds louder if preceded by silence. Silence is more piercing when it follows cacophony.
So Roger's cynical darkness is more cutting for its contrast against David's uplifting rising nostalgia. And Dave's childhood idealism is more haunting, when following the broken adult that Pink has become, for knowing where the future leads. You raise each other up. The conflict laces its with a beautiful tension.
Roger's discord has to resolve to David's harmony. Shattering Dave's harmony brings it back down to Earth once more. Either, alone, wouldn't have worked nearly so well.
If you had agreed, if either of you had won the argument, if the "compromise" hadn't had to please you both, then the end result would have lost that necessary schizophrenic nature... and it is that elusive element, that you can't capture by design, which raises this above nearly all songs ever recorded before or since.
It's a "snapshot" of glass in the midst of shattering, held in glistening freeze frame, at the very moment it exudes the greatest beauty. A moment before, a moment after, it's just glass or it's just shards on the floor. But in the moment of shattering, it courses cracks of lightning, it becomes a multi-faceted diamond that refracts complex light.
Schizophrenic. Held in superposition. Neither one thing nor the other. A transition crystallised forever.
Wow, that’s quite a deep but interesting take. Well done!
They should just put their bullshit aside and do at least one more album/tour together while they still can. Change my mind.
In my opinion the 1st solo is the best. It is more imaginative and original in its phrasing. The 2nd one is derived from the cord progression. But it's the last one, so it's the one DG had to pick to draw out in the Pulse album. Even there, it's longer because it's largely repetitive, not because he added any significant amount of new material to it.
The man who defined the sound of Pink Floyd was Rick Wright.
Listen to his album 'Wet Dream' and you'll realise how just essential his influence in the band was.
King of the Anals and the Fist Men I feel the same way. I believe everything pre-Animals, Wright had a HUGE part of the songwriting process. Especially in the early days, some songs were exclusively written by him.
Yes. Rick was not much of a showman, you really didn't pay that much attention to him or realize his contribution--until you listen to Wet Dream. I had the same thought at the time, Rick Wright was Pink!
Bottom line is Pink Floyd went from good to amazing in the 70's when Roger took creative control of the band and concepts of Dark Side, Animals, Wall. They all contributed to tracks (writing and arranging), but without Roger, those albums would not have been hatched. He had to practically beat them over the head to even agree to The Wall as they all thought he was nuts. So much for "nuts". No coincidence that PF's greatest albums were when Roger was a "dick". I'm glad and the other members sure cashed enough checks from those concepts over the yrs too ;)
MrAitraining Waters didn't force The Wall on the others, they were in deep financial difficulties after losing money and owing tax so they needed to make another album. Waters presented two concept album ideas, Bricks in the Wall and The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking. Everyone but Steve O'Rourke voted for Bricks in the Wall.
Kristian Larsson most pf fans know that story - obviously wall was better product but ur still admitting my point. its still roger doing the concepting. HE had 2 b the creative force. u also leave out my other examples. animals etc.
+MrAitraining They lost a lot of money The Wall tour because Waters didn't want to play a stadium tour, the only who got away with it was Wright because Waters... well... fired him!
Leaving out Wish you were here! The fact is Gilmour and Wright both had much more to contribute [see solo albums-in the 70s and early 80s] better than anything waters has done on his own; but saying that Roger was sort of the art director of the band besides lyricist and is much missed--but not at the expense of the rest of the band. There are good lyrics in the Floyd without Waters, just not the platinum quality of Roger!
+Ande Boggs "better than anything waters has done on his own" Stuff like "Blue Light" and "Summer Elegy" is fine music -- and better than anything Waters has done on his own, certainly not.
OK, completly off subject but @1:19 and @2:27, are you guys using Drake Automation at Absolute?
A very principled man. Stands up for what he believes. Viva Palestine.
If they didn’t fight and argue, none of their music would have been great. Love everything about Comfortably Numb.
Spot on they balanced each other....waters and the band and vice versa. You wouldnt have had the brilliance of the 70s without them dragging the best out of each other.
I like both Dave and Roger. What instrument did Pink play?
Oboe I think!
David said it best, Roger would write lyrics, and think he had a song...it wasn't a song until David and Rick put music to the lyrics.
@Blind Brazilian Tex Atlantis Roger is an extremely talented person....But no humble. David G is the man.
@Blind Brazilian Tex Atlantis David G is a class act. Roger left the band, and expected them to fold without him, and his huge ego, but when he kept going it made Roger furious enough to sue them to stop using the name. Roger is a dirt bag, but I still love him, and David G is a composed gentleman, and I love him too.
To be fair, Roger wrote some GREAT music!!!! Money, Meadows, Cirrus, Controls, Clegg, Raving, Days, etc. In Music...Composing is KEY!!! Roger reinvented Pink Floyd!!!
I don't "agree" with Roger much, and think the band was Done after Animals, but Roger honestly should be Applauded for Saving Pink Floyd! Gilmour is LAZY!!! He sang & played Great on Dark Side, but Roger & Rick ARE the Composers! Love David's tone and voice-The Best!-but his composing is...Weak!!!
And nick
Money, Sun, Meadows & more were Roger's Music!!! Team effort!
seems they can't appreciate each other for the immense talent they all have; best band in the world in my opinion. musical geniuses but,ego destroys the best of em. kiss and make up girls, we dedicated fans love you equally. may the souls of sid and rick be resting in peace.