The Gilmour Effect - The “Shredders are Boring” Argument
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In today’s I discuss what I call “The Gilmour Effect”. It talks about the relationship of Virtuosity, Feel and Melodicism.
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Gilmour isn’t up there to cram as many techniques and notes into a song as he can. He simply makes his guitar sing, and he always does so in a tasteful manner that gives absolute maximum emotional feel to the song. He is a master.
Thats right
Agreed...
A master and a genius; the God of all the guitar Gods.
I'm sure Gilmour CAN shred with the best, but not so sure the shredders can play like him.
His post Roger material basically sounds like one continuous song, good if you're having trouble sleeping.
David Gilmour comes from another planet....
is incomparable, for anyone.
Genius, poet and master.
I've always thought Gilmour can make you feel more with 3 notes than some shredders can with 300
the thing is shredding can never make you feel what rightly hit 2 notes can.
Saw Journey a few years back, realized he plays more notes in a single song than David plays in a whole night - and says way way more. Not impressed that uses 30 notes to climb 12 frets
@@TheGiantMidget yeah i have and no i didnt. Tbh dave mustaine was one of the guitar players i was thinking of 🤷♂️
@@TheGiantMidget i didnt 🤷♂️
Give Steve Hackett 1 sustained note, Give Gilmour 2 bent notes and give Buckethead 10,000 shredded notes.
I think it was B. B. King who once said: "It's not about the notes you play, it's all about the notes you don't play". I have kind of a split relationship to virtuosoes. It's OK if somebody can play technically perfect, but lots of those musicians forget the emotions, they forget, that music shall move people. Playing fast goes for posers. If you want to make music, emotion is everything. Gilmour is one of the best in creating solos, that move people. Just look at reaction-videos ("first time hearing...") to "Comfortably Numb", people are crying, when hearing those solos for the first time. That's, in my humble opinion, is what music is about. ;)
There are plenty of 'bluesy/feely' players who churn out the same old boring, redundant pentatonic/blues lines too. There are thousands of comments slagging off 'shredders' that neglect to mention this fact, as well as neglecting to mention the fact that there are a tonne of virtuosic players who also have tremendous phrasing, feel, creativity and compositional skill.
The fact is that fast, 'notey' playing generates musical colours and emotions that slow, bendy playing simply cannot.
Listen to someone like Stephen Taranto (or his band The Helix Nebula) - apex technical chops backed up by an amazing sense of energy, drive, frenzy, unpredictability - his music is an absolute cosmic thrill ride.
You hit the nail on the head! Comfortably Numb is one of the greatest guitar solo(s) ever! I think Alex Lifeson is in the same league. Is he technical? No. Is he a shredder? No. But, like Gilmour, he knows what to play and when to play it! Emotion speaks volumes when it comes to music!
I guess Guthrie Govan, Paul Gilbert, Marco Sfogli, Kiko Loureiro, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Shawn Lane, And many others are all posers then.....
Yeah but explain punk?
@@roberteberhart1139 How about country Punk like Dave Alvin!
“Blues is easy to play but hard to feel” (Jimi Hendrix)
Why does this rquote emind me of a Beefheart lyric?
It's true btw. Jimi was right. Blues or deep feel in general is something some people seem to be born with. And some people can never get it. I wonder if it's in the way people pay attention. Which parts of the structure of sound draw the attention of the player.
It's weird. When I was growing up, in my hometown, I was a heralded as the best blues player around (in 9th grade, so no big deal) but I didn't listen to the blues and I even kind of despised it. I was just a natural. Then when I started listening to Frissell, Metheney, Holdsworth, Fripp and others with distinctive styles, I started picking up their style, tone, feel and phrasing without thinking about it. I think it's like a version of Tourettes. Or maybe autism spectrum related.
I'm now in my 50s and I'm finally finding my own voice, after struggling to un-sound like other players. I even went as far as rubber banding my index and middle, ring and pinky together for practice. Unlearning is more difficult than learning for some people.
This. It's not about hard his music is to play, it's how hard it was to come up with it. Any kid can play Jimi tunes decently well within a year of learning guitar. But never in a million years would we have come up with the sounds and compositions that he did. How he blended technological innovation of his time (Leslie, wah, fuzz, feedback), traditional blues licks and propelled them into a new era. What he discovered and invented, we sort of take for granted and build on it, but he literally made us leap decades. Just take Purple Haze, no one was playing like this in 1967. And if it weren't for Jimi, probably no one would have made music like this another 20 years or so.
Blues is easy if the player sucks .. gotta make those 5 notes shine .. that aint easy .. is just easy to suck at it..
That's why Peter Green stopped playing blues. "I don't want to go back there, it hurts too much."
Bingo. Shredders--me, me, me. Non-shredders--the song, the song, the song.
Gilmour plays like a poet writes. It is really loquacious in ability because it is from the soul as an inspiration that a poet is inspired to write about. He is also a very humble person.
You said a ton, in as few words as possible.
he is an absolute pure Artist some others .... are just sportsmans ....
He plays from his heart and soul! That is the secret!
MPP P
And a poet know exactly how word to use and when use. Like Gilmour with his notes.
Dave Mustaine said: 'David Gilmour could do more with one note than today's shredders can do with a dozen'
David Gilmour can do more than Paul Gilbert?
@Hugh Jones I liked the hat. If it wasn't for the hat and the heroin, though, would we have even heard of him?
So could Neil Young. Not sure why he's missing from these videos.
@@DanielBatt One of the best guitar player ever
One note and good night. Camel, yes, Wishbone Ash. Eric could do it, of course
David Gilmour is simply one of the greatest guitarists ever! shredders bore me to tears.
Gilmore is an ARTIST he paints in sound.
Gilmour himself said that he just could not physically move his fingers very fast, but his magic was in those big beautiful soaring bends and vocal-like vibrato that he would subtly wiggle at the end of a note like a trained opera singer. The Gilmour-effect is a thing because his playing is both beautiful, evocative and memorable.
Gilmour is a singer, shredders are rappers.
@@bighenry6633 Nah, depends on the "shredder".
I believe that "wiggle" is the technical term used by opera singers. I'm just picturing an insufferable, stuffy academic, proclaiming loftily, with his nose in the air, "Maria Calas not only had a beautiful tone, but the way she wiggled notes at the end of a phrase was exquisite."
MisterNiles haha...yes I like to call my vibrato bar a “wiggle stick”. Does vocal jiggle sound any more professional?
Gilmour is so invested in the sounds he’s making, so “in it” I’ve watched videos where he is turning a compressor on and off throughout his solo to sustain notes. I had never thought to do that until I watched him. He’s really hearing what he’s doing and reacting and shaping everything intently in real time. It’s beautiful stuff. It’s not just notes coming out, it’s the sound of it he’s living in
Am the only one getting the irony of rick asking why there's a slight echoe at the beginning of a video called "the Gilmour effect"?
😂
There's a scene in "Pink Floyd at Pompeii" where the engineer tells David, "It's a little 'feedbacky'". He responds, "Where would rock and roll be without feedback?" 😏
@@JohnSmith-mx8wp noice
😜😂😂😂
I always thought Alex Lifeson transitioned from an emphasis on "technique" to more of an emphasis on melody. Alex went to painting soundscapes and taking up more room sonically versus self-indulgent displays of technical skill.
““Music is the space between the notes.”
- Claude Debussy
It’s where music breathes life into the soul.
He’s not gonna like Flight of the Bumblebee then. If you wanna be realistic, “music is whatever the fuck satisfies you”.
Debussy shreds!
@@robpoles2 Tumeninotes, Steve Morse,,,,or Amadeus ;)
So profound, fuck sake.
so what are the notes then, if they are not music!!!
I'd have to throw in Mark Knopfler as a virtuoso. He never plays anything twice the same, invents himself with every album release. Mike Oldfield is another, like Gilmour, has every note in every song that belongs there. Both Gilmour and Oldfield never wasted a note and both opened and filled spaces in their songs with precision and feeling.
Knopfler is an amazing player
Knopfler, creator of some of the most beautiful melodies in rock!
While I really like and respect Rick Beato, his ignoring Mark Knopfler's talent, loosely speaking, just confuses me. I feel, even in the few situations where he's included Mark's work in his lists, it appears like he has done it very begrudgingly. This live RUclips video has just left me confused. Either Rick is clearly doing what we all do to make sales numbers by playing up random sound bites or he's getting worn out by COVID lockdown.
Thank you for a rare mention of Mike Oldfield's genius.
Tom Bukovac?
What I love about Gilmour's style is that he doesn't overload every single song with overwhelming solos. His style is enjoyable, my ears love it, my body feels it and it's never too much. It's all well balanced. That's why I always go back for more.
I was 10 when I first listened "Mother" and "C. Numb" and I felt like I had discovered the most amazing music and I understood the message. Being raised in an environment where most people listened to, cumbia, salsa, mariachi music. I felt I was a chosen one, that day when I found that aiwa walkman in 1985 with a 90 min. maxell cassette in it, with songs from The Wall and Wish you were here albums.
For me it was like finding a portal to another dimension. Especially that guitar sound.
All Pink Floyd music is a portal to other dimensions. With no use of chemicals.
When I heard "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" for the first time, that guitar solo.
It can almost bring you to tears, the way he plays it.
Yet this grifter uses Gilmour's name to promote a video that barely even mentions him.
sure, from the age of 10 until the age of 16, 18, 20ish.... if you grow out of the known style, you could be rewarded.
@@lucianoonaicul7057 Some styles are timeless brother.
"Shredders are boring." Lol. I'm already there. Rock lead guitar virtuosity exhibited by lenghty blindingly fast fret finger-dancing is objectively impressive and has it's place I suppose. But I often find myself, well, bored because I'm not emotionally moved at a certain point. Whereas the brooding, soaring lead solo in the song "Time" is masterful and moving, in my view.
There's doing "donuts," or "burnouts" in a parking lot, and there's going for a drive. Having a destination.
I like your analogy...Setting course for a destination and finding creative ways to get there is where it is at.
Nailed it. Shredding always seemed to me like self-indulgent showing off. It’s fun for a little while, but eventually you want to go somewhere
iamthedarkavenger That’s really well-said. I can definitely appreciate such “outbursts” when they’re in the context of a larger musical and emotional palette. It’s when outbursts become the only emotional and musical tone that I lose interest, like having someone constantly yelling at you. That’s what a lot of shredding sounds like to me. Then again, I’m an old fart ;)
That's the thing. Those guitarists make me go Wow.....unbelievable for about 30 seconds, then it just becomes boring to me. It's an incredible physical feat but once I've seen it I've seen it and within a very short time it has just become more-of-the-same.
When Rick made a passing criticism of Nickleback he said that Chad Kroeger starts on 10 then has nowhere to go and that applies very much to guitar.
A guy makes a comment on here somewhere about his fast playing being emotional because it expresses a burst of frustration or anger.
Hmmm. OK then
.......but IMO that's pretty much all that you CAN express at ultra high speed.
You can do excitement, anger and emotions closely related to that, but that's only a small part of the human experience.
How do you express, peace, contentment, love, regret, sadness etc etc at a zillion notes a minute?
Travelling at that speed means that you are unable to make use of the larger part of the palette.
I am a pensioner and have been playing guitar - quite slowly - since I was 13. Still am.
So I am just another an old fart - but the thing is, I have the same opinion today as I did when I switched to electric at 17, for the reasons above. :-)
@@johnhoerl7326 I find John McLaughlin or Robert fripp to be good examples of "Expressive shredding with meaning" (Fripp's guitar styling may not be for everyone but so would be clapton's)
Dave Gilmour will get every single emotion out of the guitar. That's his gift. He understands which emotions can be triggered by which type of sound. He just has it. Like Jimi Hendrix had it. Like Jimmy Page had it. They just got it.
Dont forget Carlos Santana
Love his sound but missing many emotions like overwhelming energy; aggression; roughness- as life has every single day; craziness and over boarding joy, that just doesn’t wanna stop and turns into unstoppable excitement. Where are those emotions? There’s nothing in his playing and their music what satisfies these needs and feelings.
@@surethebest there’s little in Jimi Hendrix that evokes the sadder feelings as well. Don’t get me wrong. He’s a legend. But he’ll never be able to philosophise on the guitar like Gilmore
Glen Campbell was an amazing player. He knew what notes he wanted to play and did so with precision and feel.
My two favorite players are Gilmour and Santana. Truly neither of them are shredders or virtuoso's but they are so melodic in their lines and have a great sound. Each add tasty nuances to each note they use whether it be vibrato, bending, etc. They also have a feel for meaningful phrasing.
Glen Campbell can SHRED. Seriously.
Absolutely. He was a Wrecking Crüe session member
Surprisingly yup...and he could do like hendrix and such ...over his head behind his back ..never saw him use us toenails but bet he did in his private bathrooms lol
This is an example. The most amazing guitar playing I ever saw was at the Ryman a few years ago when Vai, Satriani, Wylde, Malmsteen, and Bettencourt played a show together. I was in awe. That said, by the time the last act got on stage I was EXHAUSTED. My brain was on the fritz from processing all the sounds for a couple hours. After that show I didn’t want to listen to any music for a day or two. They’re great but it’s hard to “soak in” shredders like that. It’s like loving a good hot dog but participating in a hot dog eating contest. Too much at once diminishes the enjoyment.
Randy Rhoads was great at shredding and still being melodic with his solos. Too bad he died so young
Randy's idol, Mick Ronson, definitely fit that bill too. live, his heavy stuff was up there with sabbath and zeppelin, but he could write beautiful, simple melodies for Bowie's ballads
@@marcgallegos2239 Yeah, a few other guys Rick doesn't seem to mention, just like Rory Gallagher.
I think the late, great Gary Moore
fits this description as well. He can play incredibly fast, and when the song calls for it he does. But for the most part he plays in a more emotional, economical style. I wouldn't call it laid back; his sensibilities lean more toward hard rock. But I'd take him over Yngwie any day.
I’ll take ten seconds of Gilmour over ten minutes of the best shredder any day. 💀🔥
Amen
Heck, ten minutes of shredding would probably get boring in my opinion! lol
What is your opinion on Satriani? I, too, prefer Gilmour to most shredders. But Satriani's compositions are very visual to me. Also, have you listened to any of Edgar Froese's guitar work? He didn't play guitar much, but he always struck me in the same manner Gilmour has when he did. Cheers!
@@harounel-poussah6936 you are definitely entitled to your opinion.
I use to live right next door to one of the best musicians on the planet, not because he was one of the best guitarists. I mentioned it here because he played all the instruments in his head, go into a studio to record each instrument and then put all the tracks together. A great example would be “Children Of The Sun”. Of course, I’m talking about the late Billy Thorpe and my only regret is that I knew him, spoke to him often but never once had an opportunity to go to one of his concerts. The first time he played “Girls of Summer”, I just felt that he made the song up, right there on the spot… amazing!
Shawn lane is a forgotten virtuoso on piano and guitar.
The Shredder's shredder. Criminally astounding.
The best ones always die young
My favorite "Musician" ever !
If you watch some of his videos, he is explaining what he does clear enough, but then when he demonstrates, he seems to go into a trance of some sort. I think he had a singular set of nerves and muscles. I think there will never be another player of his ability for hundreds of years.
Just a shame he was dull as dishwater.
David's guitar is like an extension of his soul. Romantic and sincere.
Title: David Gilmour
Content:
1% Gilmour
99% something else
Hmmm... no, the title is “David Gilmour EFFECT”. Content: 1% Gilmour, 99% EFFECT.
@@giannapple More like 99%: examples of what is not the Gilmour Effect.
There s not much left to talk about Gilmour. He is very good. But the guitarists' World is much wider
Jeeze, what a snarky remark. It's Rick riffing. Everybody who's here knows what he's talking about, and most of us are happy to listen to his ramble around the subject. We learn things from his experience and his commentary. If you want to analyse his musings and then put up a comment like that, you're in the wrong place, old son. Go count trains, or watch paint dry with a stopwatch or something.
@@Acrocanthosaurus He's extremely knowledgeable and very likeable but boy does he go on.
I feel Django Reinhardt was left out. Two working fingers yet he could run circles around nearly anyone on this list. Plus we’re talking about the 1930s/40s here, unprecedented for the time
Most guitar players dont know the genius of Django or dismiss him because he isn't playing an eclectic guitar in a rock band. IMO he was the first true guitar virtuoso. He could play insanely technical solos but had the ability to pull back and play beautiful melodies as well.. To me Django and Gillmor have similarities in that they knew how to speak with melody. The perfect placement of notes to have the most impact on the listener. The sign of a true master.
Mr. Jerry Garcia influence
No doubt about it. Django was a genius. He couldn't read a note of music, let alone even write his own name. He signed his signature with an X yet he understood music intuitively.
@@leescuderi8331 I doubt any guitar player really dismisses Django.
Shredders are look at me and Gilmore is listen to this.
Lol
this says it all
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Absolute nonsense.
Regarding David, what to say... he is unique and unrepeatable, his bending technique, his tremolo, his vibrato, his few effects, his way of playing the pentatonic in an unusual way, his phrasing that flows with love and sweetness, his outstanding voice, his art of composing, his skill in various instruments such as steel guitar, bass, drums, saxophone etc etc and his immense charisma as a person, a great person that I have the privilege of having as a friend along with his wife Polly. Humble and generous man, with huge donations and a life free of luxuries. David is simply David, his guitar speaks directly from his heart and that is why he is capable of making me tear up, as a professional composer this says a lot about him.
Allan Holdsworth on guitar lesson: "You can't let your fingers dictate what you play. It's your brain that must command your fingers."
the gilmour effect is that i want to listen to some gilmour right now
Who is better than who? Why is this even important...me..I don't care if they play 1million notes or just 2 notes...all I care is if their music speak to me and inspire me. We all have different taste and it's one of the biggest driving force in music. It's never going to be tha same. So stick to what you like and don't try to belittle what you don't like.
Good point!
Exactly!4 example, remove Keith Richard's from th Rolling Stones & insert any " virtuoso " u want, & do u really they'd b anything close 2 th legends they r now?? I sincerely doubt it....
@@gizzy2403 well said
Totally agree. You can play to communicate and exchange or you can play to show off. I know who I would want to listen to.
Yes. When playing music, have something to say and say it well, that’s what most people consider to be good.
David Gilmore played what the song needed, his haunting rythems and leads fit the mood of what the band was trying to convey. Big fan of Pink Floyd, both musically, lyrically and the message of their songs.
David Gilmour made Pink Floyd. Yes, Waters wrote the lyrics, but Gilmour was the sound of Floyd. Not to mention he could sing amazing.
Richard Wright was the sound imo, listen to his solo stuff. It’s literally Floyd
It was all four of them. Together.
Richard Wright was, without a doubt, the most important member of Pink Floyd.
They all did, its not that simple
SplendidCoffee0 if we’re talking strictly their sound it’s Wright, Gilmour solos are important but Pink Floyd’s “sound” that everyone recognizes is almost solely Rick
Alex Lifeson of RUSH is my favorite shredder. But he also has a slow hand. Listen to his 'Closer to the Heart' solo and it's pure magic! He's a bonified virtuoso if I've ever heard one. In fact, the entire band SHREDS!
Agreed-and the short solo in Jacob's Ladder-one of my favorite guitar solos of all time
The solo on Kid Gloves... WOW!
I am always blown away by his playing on "Discovery" on 2112 - his phrasing tells the story of someone picking up a guitar for the first time and learning and exploring what the instrument can do...it's masterful...
I learned guitar because of Alex Lifeson and Rush, and I love his solos, but I believe where he shines is in his chords. He’s a true expert of chord development and use in a composition.
@@jamesgoddard2321 Alex plays with serious feeling on the Rush song "Losing it." "La Villa Strangiatto" (sp?) is great as well. His solo on YYZ is a trip too...very strange.
No one ever mentions the fantastically talented Steve Howe of Yes.
True!
Johnny Nails, if you go to a Yes video you'll probably see many comments and videos about Steve Howe.
@@msaintpc but that's my point. I'm not at a Yes video assclown. I'm at a video that's discussing virtuosity.
One night while messing around with an acoustic guitar I started a Yes playlist on youtube and was up till 4:00 a.m. totally wrapped up in the music, continuing to strum a bit... the playlist included extraordinary footage of a live show that I since then cannot find, I believe it was taken down but amazing. Steve Howe is as good as most anyone live or otherwise. I saw Yes in '80, always a masterclass in music beyond being very entertaining. I missed Wakeman and Anderson but Trevor Horn was good and Howe amazing as ever and another forgotten great on bass...Chris Squire who I feel doesn't get his due is amazing. . .
I've always called Steve Howe "The Professor"! And Chris Squire is probably my all time favorite bass wizard.
Not sure what virtuoso really means or it matters at all but every single solo that Gilmour ever composed is highly listenable; every one of them. Name any other guitar player who has achieved such a status. In fact, none of the four in Pink Floyd were technically anyone to write home about; but their music is levels above anyone else’s. That is virtuoso to me!
Absolutely nailed it on the head
Mark Knopfler
If you consider boring ass sleeper nursery rhyme music as “listenable” then sure, you’re correct.
@@lumpy9964Yep ,yer funny.
Agree, what’s the point of being a virtuous. It’s just masturbation and willy measuring if the music you produce isn’t worth listening to. It’s like being the longest hitter at golf or the faster bowler etc. It’s basically irrelevant.
Keith Jarrett is amazing. I’m not really a jazz fan, but I’ve listened to him for 40 years. The all time greats always transcend their genre.
I’ve said this for years: David Gilmour never played a note that didn’t belong where he played it. 🎸 That is all🤙🏽
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@ i was about to launch into a big reply ... then I did what I do these days ... read before posting ( excellent for mental health)... so I read your piece again
space... I play bass ...space is where I live in the realm of trills I started with geddy lee and my old rick ... sad story...moving on ....I got to here then I realised ...this IS a long reply
so to narrow it down ... speed ?...nope I need effect
edit ... can't spell
That's what Robert Keeley said to me. Not just Gilmour - the band.
Musical architecture.
@ Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth once confronted Flea at a party and whispered in his ear:
"White boys shouldn't play Black boys' bass guitar".
Apparently he toned down the slappin' & poppin' after that.
Ummagumma has some ok stuff in the live section of the album. But yes, you're right.
He changed his gear a fair bit during that period. The right gear can inspire.
Al DiMeola, Alan Holdsworth, John Mclaughlin
DiMeola and McLaughlin were the 1970s versions of shredders. Lots of notes with no soul.
@@jimbennett834 I am not intimately familiar with either of them although I've heard both. A bit surprised to hear you lump them in with each other though. I did come across McLaughlin improvising with Indian musicians a while back, and I would say in that performance, he showed an amazing sense of rhythm as well as impro skills. Not an archetypal shredder at all.
Legends like Beatles , Pink Floyd , Rolling Stones , The Who, etc. should not be in a sentence with Steve Vai , Polyphia and alike. you just can`t trade rock music for some digitalized sterile fast noise ....
Zappa doesn't get enough credit for his playing. Ritchie Blackmore, Terry Kath, Rik Emmett, Duane Allman, Alex Lifeson.
Yes! I've been learning a lot of Rush solos the last year or so, and I love how Alex is like that perfect hybrid between a rhythm and a lead player. He can absolutely rip through some amazing solos, but he doesn't do it just for the sake of it. "La Villa Strangiato" is a perfect example of his dynamic playing.
Also, Terry Kath is one of the most underrated lead guitarists. The guy had so much soul, both in his singing and his playing. "Poem 58" on Chicago's first album is a constant flow of inspiration and mood.
Blackmore doesn't get enough credit? He definitely does, and rightly so!
helterskelter1178 Rory Gallagher
Ritchie Blackmore’s wig doesn’t get enough credit
helterskelter1178 you nailed it my brother.
Personally i blame Paganini for starting this whole debate in the first place! And really, we should be over this "X guitarist is the best"..."Y is BETTER than Z"
This just too quickly descends into Fanboyism. If you like someone's playing, that's fine. I may not, someone else might be merely indifferent. This is all OK.
Trying to compare, say, Gilmour, to Steve Vai, to Guthrie Govan, to Alan Holdsworth, to Prince, to Steve Morse, to Eric Clapton, to Tom Quayle....etc. (That list is a small subset of guitarists that i love listening to). And I can tell them apart pretty much instantly because they all inhabit their own area of music styles and abilities.
To paraphrase the crowd outside Brian's window..."They are all individuals!"
We should just rejoice in the amazing breadth of musical talent, that we have at our listening pleasure.
I was waiting for Rick to mention Paganini. And with him it is very obvious that shredding is a circus trick. I don't mean this in a deprecative way. But it is. Smoke, fire, drums, more smoke, the soloist disguised as the devil or whatever. That's how Paganini performed and that's a big part of today's shredding.
Again, I am *not* saying it is not an art form, it is not impressive, it is not admirable or enjoyable.
I mostly agree with your sentiments. I really enjoy George Harrison, Noel Gallagher, Jerry Reed, and Jim Croce. These men are not technical gods, but they speak to me in a way that few can. I can’t tell you what makes them special. When you hear them, you either get it or you don’t. That is one thing that makes music one of man’s greatest creations. I wouldn’t even try to improve upon it because I fear Noel Gallagher’s line “true perfection has to be imperfect” holds a lot of truth in terms of music especially!
This reminds me a little of hearing drummers argue about Ringo Starr
There are drum shredders too! And Ringo ain't one of them. He had to be badgered to play that short solo in "The End." But everything he played perfectly served the song. And he has some rhythmic sophistication too.
@@sschmidtevalue Ringo was and is still the best drummer ever!!! ;) What a great gig he fell in to. Weakest link and still rolling in dough. :) Comparing musicians is silly and saying anyone is the best is even sillier. I was being cute at the onset of this comment. I like to think they are equal but different.
@@sschmidtevalue Left handed drummer on a right handed kit.
I think it was fitting that this stream called "The Gilmour Effect" started out with echos....one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs. RIP Rick Wright
Was thinking the same thing.
Pink Floyd...delay you need to pack a lunch for.
Yet, David was never mentioned. Hmm.
What is sometimes forgotten when comparing the guitar legends is that Gilmour is not only a unique talent, he has consistently created great music for more than 50 years. He has also influenced and helped other artists to flourish on their own and/or share the stage with him. IMO, no other guitar legend can match Gilmour's overall resume.
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Yes..without Gilmour we may never have had the delectable and brilliant Kate Bush ..
Well-put. 😎
There is no best guitar player, though there are best rock guitarists but gilmour isnt one of them.
He has? What great work has he done since The Wall?
I’d say Tommy Emmanuelle falls under the category of virtuoso
Michael Pinney Indeed, though not many Aussies get noticed on Rick’s page. Not complaining, but people will talk about what they know and have been exposed to.
anyone who argues this is an Idion , part idiot part moron
Argues that he is or argues that he isn’t?
Tommy Emmanuel is totally amazing. Definitely virtuoso
Michael Pinney Buddy Merrill and Neil Levang
Emotional phrases connect to the human soul much deeper than fast scale runs. It's the way we communicate. For example Gilmore says "I love you" while someone like Yngwie M. says: "your physical and emotional aesthetic has been processed by my subconscious, concluding that you are the individual whom arouses the most positive chemical responses within my cerebellum" One is entertaining and has more words but the first one means so much more. I think it's the space simplicity leaves in our own minds that helps make it great, and not just force fed a million scales
RIP Peter Green, whose death was announced today - the antithesis of shredding, and one of the most musical and soulful blues guitarists of them all. A master of his generation. Rick - you should definitely do a special on Peter some day.
Peter Green and Danny Kirwan are my fave. Best vibrato.
Boy, I hate to hear about Peter Green dying.
His compositions and voice were equal to his magnificent guitar playing with Fleetwood Mac, which makes him-in my opinion-the best of all the British bluesmen, in whose numbers are Beck and Page and Clapton and Taylor and Mick Abraham’s and Mick Ralph’s and Danny Kirwan and, indeed, Dave Gilmore, among many others...
His career as emotionally-stable musician was relatively brief-from his record with John Mayall in ‘65 until his last record with the Mac in ‘69, but his songs-Albatross, Man of the World, Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, Oh, Well, et al, are timeless, and evidence of his lyrical and songwriting brilliance as much as his wonderful voice, his guitar skills notwithstanding.
He was broken by acid-useful drug, but not in excess- when he left Mac, and fifty years passed, as they are wont to do...
He wasn’t a witty virtuoso like Jeff Beck, or a witty genius like Jimmy Page or Mick Abrahams.
He was a songwriter and singer par excellence when he did that, and a master bluesman when he played Long Grey Mare and Lazy Poker Blues and Everyday I Have the Blues and How Blue Can You Get, to name a few tunes from my Men of the World album.
By the way, listen to Mind of My Own, a Kirwen number that illustrates Peter Green’s expert instruction of Kirwen as well as both of their prowess as British bluesmen, which is a technical and tonal category in itself.
Peter Green was a gem.
After listening to a few early Mac tunes, I’m gonna play my Heritage Les Paul, as set up by the great Charlie Powers, with upside-down neck pickup.
How interesting that Rick is discussing this the day before Peter Green died. To me that's almost eerie. So sad.
@@joecalandrella3330 Hear hear!
Anyone hear Peter Green's first solo album, "The End of The Game"? It's so epic! Changed my life lol.
Guthrie Govan... man. that guy kicks so much ass
his phrases are huuuge
Probably the best guitarist in the world.
Used to hate shredding until heard of him. Great guitarist
Hell yeah!
Also, I am not a big fan of shreading .. like.. if people on stage wanna masterbate they can do that in private. I'm here for the good songs hahaha
Unless its Guthrie hahaha hes amazing
David does play 4 notes as a theme in many songs and moves the listener beyond the music. When a musician produces a full range of emotions with minimal notes, he/she wins.
Marooned is the most passionate song i've ever heard and i'll take it over pretty much anything
Castellorizon and the solos in On An Island as Blue (I think it's called Blue) are my favorite of all time. Gilmour or anyone
Rick this type of show is the reason I keep coming back. It's the intelligent monologue that explains concepts hard to put into words.
I guess after Roger left I just didn’t pay enough attention to Floyd!! I couldn’t even hum these tunes😳
@@BeesWaxMinder what do you mean?
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Well I was a HUGE fan but after getting bored of all the legal stories of multimillionaires spending more than I could earn fighting over the sex of an inflatable pig, not to mention the gaps between the 3(?) albums I just felt these songs would be something I’d ‘get round to’ eventually but, it seems, I’ve yet to... 🤔
I've realized that the shredder vs Gilmour playing argument will probably rage on forever. But, I think we can all at least agree that Nigel Tufnel was one of the loudest guitarists ever.
True! 11/10 would recommend.
No argument. If anyone wants to get louder they need an amp that goes to 12, which is scientifically impossible.
What's the shredder vs gilmour argument
ROFL......Tap! Tap! Tap!
@@ManuelHernandez-do5qtThat's a good question.
Steve Lukather is equally as tasty in my opinion, it’s about the melody and playing for the song. The only shredder I enjoy listening to is John Pertucci
Love Lukather. Love Gilmour. My favorite super-shredder is Satriani. So melodic, dynamic, expressive. Great composer as well.
The solo of The Best of Times is incredible.
Gilmore's guitar is more than sounds it's a language. It tells a story.
for me Gilmour speaks to my emotions in ways other people can't. It has less to do with technical skill and more to do with production and song writing. Pink Floyd is my favorite band because i found them in high school at the time my grandfather was dying and passed away. having lived in his home at the time, Pink Floyd's ability to perfectly capture the feeling of meloncolly spoke to me in a way that made me feel like the songs were written specifically for myself. David's style of guitar has greatly influenced how i write and play today, because he showed me that you didn't have to know every scale or play extremely fast to be a truly great player. I find his ability to match with Wright's keyboards without clashing to be incredible, and i think without all the members of that band, flaws and all, i might not have made it through those tough times.
@@elipacheco532 Gilmour is pretty dynamic. People always think of Darkside or The Wall and totally forget he lead Pink Floyd from the mid 80s throughout the 90s. So many good songs like One Slip.
Shawn Lane, even though I can’t even begin to understand what he played
Les Paul once addressed a young super fast shredder ,”Okay, you’re fast kid. BUT, would your mother know it was you playing if she heard you on the radio?”
Les PAul was actually a shredder of his day
@@darkcranny3851 Agreed but...Les Paul was a groundbreaking guitar player not a luther...he invented multi tracking and he was a blazing fast jazz player...the shredder of his day
@@darkcranny3851 in 2009, Les Paul was named one of the “Top 10 Electric Guitarists” by Time Magazine. In 2011 he was ranked #18 in Rolling Stone Magazines “Top 100 Guitarists,(voters included Eddie Van Halen, Carlos Santana, and Brian May). Inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by Jeff Beck,(who said he stole lots of Paul’s licks). Inducted into Jazz Hall of Fame. Won 3 “Best Instrumental” Grammys. Given the Grammy Trustees Award for lifetime achievement. Nashville Walk of Fame. Star on Hollywood Blvd. And, look right here on RUclips and you can listen to him jam the with the likes of Slash, Richie Sambora, Keith Richards, Paul Mc Cartney, and even Zakk Wilde. Luthier??? Surely you jest!
@@darkcranny3851 - I'm guessing you're a shredder with a really raw and tender nerve just now. And no, Paul wasn't a luthier - he was a GREAT guitarist - who could chew up and spit out any shredder alive - and ALSO had a gift for melody AND was a brilliant technical innovator. And yes - I can identify dozens of guitarists' tone and style in less than two bars. None of them shredders, coincidently...
this quote is supposed to be good?
Albert King speaks about "Soulful Players" and "Fiddlers" in his conversation with Stevie Ray Vaughn. One who plays each note with intention rather than fiddle all over the fretboard kind of sums it up for me.
I love Buckethead because he goes the entire spectrum: From uninteligible "computer-like" note hells to long-spaced emotional phrases, he does it all and he's spectacular in all points of that spectrum.
It's a shame that he will live a life of obscurity because he will only be remembered by his very tired schtick.
@@boatdetective he's a virtuoso, great human also...
With you on this one, Buckethead is a God.
@@boatdetective as opposed to Slash and that fucking hat.
Hello Rick: I'm 65 years old and I've been learning to play the piano for two and half years. I have no musical background. I'm too old to be a "shredder". However, it I learn to play good, simple, blues and jazz, I will be very, very happy.
Keep up the wonderful work.
@@MyRackley Well done learning the sax. It's a hard instrument. What you are doing takes real skill. I'm impressed. Thank you for the good advice. Stay well and safe.
@nynetynyne Thank you. Stay well and safe.
So true. I'm drawn to any guitarist who plays the guitar melodically, like a vocalist.
Gilmour. Mike Oldfield and others. Every note has inflection, character and feel.
George Harrison's playing has that effect on me as well
papalaz4444244 Marco Sfogli can do both: a melodic shredder 😉
Steve Vai has said many times that he attempts to play like a vocalist would sing. For single note inflection, I'd put Gilmour and Gary Moore being in my top 3.
Pavel Sadowsky Marco has such a great feeling for melody and he is a monster shredder. One of my favorite guitarist! Roy Ziv is great as well! 🎸
Invoking certain emotions, might be another metric. I do equate a lot of this with singing. Super fast playing of arpeggios is all technique. It's an amazing skill and has it's moments when placed well.
It can just be robotic and repetitive, though. A display of skill rather than music. Narcissism at worst.
Obviously it's all subjective.
Jimmy Page’s solo on ‘Fool In The Rain’ is the perfect balance between shredding, lyrical melody and silence.
Yes love it!
Les Paul a virtuoso ? Yes, and an innovator and an inventor and he played well into old age.
He was an amazing Jazz musician.
Now this one, I agree.
I really liked the record 'spaces', Larry coryell John McLaughlin. Oldie but a goodie. Caught a good set with coryell and Phil Upchurch at a small club in Chicago. Also took some b+w photos with tri-x asa 400 pushed processed to 1600 no flash early '70s. I've never heard of most of the folks you mentioned, and yes, I've been living under a rock, but now, I've got a list (yours) of prospects to check out. Thank you, Rick.
Dave Gilmour’s solo on “Don’t leave me now”, hanging on one note for the most part of the solo, that’s something that sort of speaks to me, which I value more than 1000 notes a second, however that being said, I can enjoy those 1000 notes if they speak to me. I’m not that good that I can dissect a solo and say that this part is this scale or that key, as long as I get something out of it, they can be virtuosos or not, to me that’s not the important part, just as long as it speaks to me, then I’m all good.
Gilmour is to rock what Miles Davis is to jazz.
Frank Zappa: “A virtuoso can play anything. I can’t.”
Ever the humble hero. If F.Z. had the desire to regurgitate the works of any artist, he would have excelled at it. I'm still amazed when I watch his live performances on RUclips. His genius can't be denied. Another one to investigate if you doubt.
@@hepburnbest9709 I love his Dylan impression in the middle of "Flakes'" but I digress.
Yeah, turn zappa loose on his old SG........
Zappa is the man
@@user-ve8kl3hw2h That was actually Adrian Belew, of course.
This is my favorite video. It always amuse me to read the comments, especially those who reveals how little they actually listen to what Beato says. The topic revolves around the technical skills of a guitarist, and how some of them holds a different standard that can indeed be characterised as groundbreaking.
Nobody’s trying to say that David Gilmour is an amateur, because he is the greateat guitarplayer in the history of mankind, as he created more iconic riffs and solos than anyone else. But, he’s not a virtuoso. However, he probably influenced more virtuoso’s than anyone else.
It doesn’t matter who’s got the biggest fanclub, because that’s just a question of personal taste, and that’s a topic with absolutely no educational value at all.
Roy Clark was a multi instrument virtuoso. He could literally shred or improvise on any stringed instrument.
All while being a great performer and entertainer. Always welcome in my living room!
Good call! Agreed.
Truly a musician's musician.
Wrecking Crew
Yes, I've watched a great many RUclips videos of him playing over the past few months. He's funny too. Which bring Jim Stafford to mind. :)
Its ironic that it "Echoes" on a Gilmour's episode.
I see what you did there. It's because Dave uses reverb right?
@@jamesfoo8999 Give Pink Floyd's "Meddle" a listen....
@@tommyblackwell3760 Or Live at Pompeii.
The only Gilmour effect I know its the happiness listening comfortarbly numb solos 😗
Edit, the Beato effect: the happines when rick uploads a new video!! Thanks for the likes guys!!
Haha!
@@RickBeato also the beato effect... the happines when you upload a new video!!!! 😂
Or any Gilmour solo!
actually Marooned is better
@@RickBeato question? is Neil Sedaka a virtuoso? He was to represent the United States at the 1966 Tchaikovsky classical piano competition in Moscow, however his "rock and roll" songs got the Russian to disqualify him. (he did play "Fantaisie Impromptu" on I've go a secret). He also wrote most of Connie Francis's songs. (well him and Greenfield). Is he a Virtuoso?
Edit: sometimes i think i'm getting to old to type... maybe i need a nap!
"Slow them down, and they're still amazing", enough said. That's the difference between a real musician and a shredder.
Alex Lifeson: shredder (solo: Freewill), composer (solo: Ghost of a Chance), improvisor (Tom Sawyer solo - what is that?!).
Rush was fantastic - all 3 guys were incredible at playing their instruments individually, and when they came together the resulting blend was spectacular.
Absolutely! Blah blah blah blah! Blah blah? Blah...
@@j_freed Trevor Rabin.
Thank you for mentioning "Ghost of a Chance", that solo is so sensual and all feeling, he does the same for the "pain" and longing in "Open Secrets". Alex does it all, from subtle to in your face, and uniquely.
@@puedaser1 - Trevor's playing on his solo album "Can't Look Away", and his work with YES, but the "Talk" album; especially "I am Waiting" and one of my fave EPICS, "Endless Dream" :).
It’s not virtuosity vs mistakes, nor planning vs improvisation... it’s all about emotion: feeling and transmitting it. There’s no single correct way to do that, because emotion can’t be a recipe.
That's not virtuosity though, however important. Virtuosity is a high level of pure technical ability and says nothing about the quality of what is produced with it. In terms of communication of language, factors of virtuosity would be speaking ability in a language, things like vocabulary or pronunciation, but it would NOT be the content of what is said or how meaningful that content is.
Some people can sing and communicate emotions and feelings. Gilmour has a way of expressing himself through the guitar the same way. Its the difference between a good technical guitarist and the great ones. You don't always have to be the fastest to be amazing.
There are some really beautiful melodic licks in his playing and honestly no one else plays quite like he does. Even when I am learning a Pink Floyd song and I am finding the notes he uses it can sound amazing but there are so many things he does that just cant be duplicated as a whole.
You can hear Gilmour playing and recognize him almost instantly, like Clapton Hendrix, Van Halen. Gilmour is a one of a kind player.
@@ManCrew well said, i love Gilmour’s playing. in fact he’s my favorite guitarist of all time... you can FEEEEL every bend or note.. he plays with soo much raw emotion. It honestly made me learn how to play
Miles Davis once said:" it's not about the notes you play, but the notes you don't play".
Another guitarist that is Gilmour-esque would be Steve Rothery of Marillion.
The solos on Easter or Warm Wet Circles are just amazing in terms of flow and phrasing.
You... have some exquisite taste, my friend.
Glad to see Steve Rothery get a mention. So under rated.
Steve's incredible!!! Camel's Andy Latimer, one of his three main influences (the others are Gilmour and the mighty Steve Hackett) is great too...Stationary Traveller solo is so moving...
@@alessandroseravalle3807 Oh yeah. Stationary Traveller was the tune that I first heard from Camel. That solo at the end is amazing
@Jeroen Van Hoof - Interesting to observe Marillion being mentioned around YT quite a bit lately! :-)
How to talk about David Gilmour without talking about David Gilmour😅
Love Gilmour, but got to add Alex Lifeson: La Villa Stragnato
You read my mind.
EVH sort of bridges this definition, right? Incredible skills, shreds, and writes the most sublime rhythm parts.
Yes
.....and Page.
Plus Eddie has fantastic blues phrasing, something which many shredders totally lack.
Phil X did a nice piece on EVH. Eddie does all that and swings, too.
@@toddb9311 - yeah, I saw that video where he covers "I'm The One" and explains that even he can't quite get Eddie's sense of swing.
Roy Buchanan. If you’re unaware look him up.
You said it brother, hail Roy.
Chad Moore Thanks for bringing him up. I love to play He Will Come Again...lucky to have seen him in San Jose back in I think ‘76. What a concert.
S Dubon sadly/happily I only found him a few years ago. He’s amazing. What he can get out of the guitar, that requires others to use pedals and effects, is astounding.
Chad Moore Jeff Beck revered him. Too bad he died so young-mysteriously in jail. But his albums live on.
Check out, Danny Gatton (RIP). One of Buchanan's peers from the DC area.
I really appreciate the talent of David Gilmore and Brian May. Both are great guitarists but they way they put a solo together that supports the song rather than distracts from it is what makes them special.
Robin Trower is an amazing guitarist .. his emotionally bluesy phrasing and riffs are haunted .
I'll second that.
Definitely!
What's really cool about Trower is his TONE alongside his skill.
He literally played his guitar tuned a full step down with heavy gauged strings.
His sound & technique is off-the-hook.
@@maestroaxeman that unique tone is what makes it haunted yo .. he and Hendrix are the top 2 in my book .
@@morfeophantasm7435 what about rory?
Robert Fripp is my favorite, period. No one comes close to his sound. A truely innovated guitarist. 1967-1974 is his golden period
He's a legit guitar visionary. Invented frippertronics, played slow burning solo's using the sustain of his les paul in the neck pick-up with fuzz and the tone slightly rolled off, if he didn't invented prog-rock he definitely popularized it with King Crimson, probably invented playing ambient soundscapes with the guitar, arguably invented math rock with Adrian Belew on the Discipline album, amazing acoustic player, used the whole tone scale in the mid seventies extensively... the list goes on and on. He's the ultimate creative genius no-one ever talks about.
Fripp is the one for me too. He pops up anywhere and everywhere. Seems like everyday I discover yet another one of his unique contributions. The latest is a great little solo I only recently found at 6:01 near the end of the fabulous Angel Gets Caught in the Beauty Trap on No-Man’s Flowermouth album released back in 1994. Stunning.
Dude fripp was out of everyones game from 1969 to the early 2000s. Construktion of the Light is a perfect exemple, as no song comes close to level of musical finess and perfection.
Great with Bowie ,and Sylvian.
love his work with Brian Eno-listening to Eno's Another Green World right now!
Roy Clark was a virtuoso.
monster trumpet player as well.
Roy Clark was deceptively good because he was also a standout showman. But the playing, just wow.
Agreed. How about Jerry Reed? How about Chet Atkins? How about Brian Setzer?
@@sprezzatura8755 how is Setzer not in rolling stone's top 100, both for technique and influence.
@@acbenepe Because RS is trying to make people forget Stray Cats. :mad:
BSO was great music but it flew right past the mainstream, which is a shame.
Another good example of someone who blends really fast chops with amazing melody is Ritchie Blackmore.
My favourite of all time
Absolutely...its pretty unnerving how he always seems to be left out of these types of discussions
He is the goat. Ritchie smokes gilmoure
@@thejoker-go3fh where did he get the papers or the bowl that would fit Gilmore? I would bet there would be hallucinations involved.
@@Mike_Jones68 I know, it's ridiculous! You only have to listen to Morse and Satriani murdering Deep Purple to realise, just how good Blackmore is. Hendrix and Van Halen, (among others), thought he was special. It's fair to say they knew a thing or two.
There are 2 kinds of guitarists:
1. Guitarists who play music for people
2. Guitarists who play scales for other guitarists
That's a fair comment
The only problem is that once you start to list the guitarists you would put in category 2, you find people who would put them in category 1. Yngwie Malmsteen is probably the first person people would think of putting in category 1, yet I actually know quite a few fans of his music that have never touched a guitar.
EHnus Lover696 fast is cool and it is difficult. Its made fast and difficult so people who can not play fast or technically can come on here and try to put down fast and difficult music. Ha ha take your metronome off 75bpm and roll it up to 180bpm.
@@kospandx Well, of course shredders have their fans, who enjoy what they do. That's cool, never meant to imply that shredders aren't musically valid.
But, IMO, a shredder's main goal is to impress listeners with their speed. That's why a lot of shredder's "songs" are just boring chord progressions that serve as vehicles for their solos.
And that's how you differentiate between a shredder and a guitarist who can play fast. A shredder only has one speed, which is "extremely fast". They never play any other way, even if they're playing blues or a ballad, the solo is always delivered at breakneck speed.
To be clear, not every guitarist capable of great speed is a shredder. Gary Moore can play as fast as anyone, but he can also turn around and deliver a beautiful, lyrical guitar solo, like he did for his song "Still Got The Blues".
Variety is the spice of life, and it makes music more interesting, to boot!
@@georgebrycki8337 I still think your "shredder" is a strawman. I don't think you'll find a single shredder of any recognition that don't mix up their playing (the closest I can think of would be Akira Takisaki of Loudness fame, but his take is always so musical that he never seems to figure in the lists of guitarists people object to). Perhaps it would be more beneficial to ask: do you have any examples of guitarists you would consider as such?
RITCHIE BLACKMORE!!! He was the original shredder before "shredding" was even a thing. A true virtuoso - the best improviser ever....no solo was planned (except studio version Highway Star), it all came out of his fingertips on the spot - no solo was ever the same. Very melodic phrasing - especially in 70's Deep Purple & Rainbow, every solo took you on a journey. Very versatile - touches of classical, middle eastern, blues, funk, jazz, hard rock, etc etc.....But he doesn't get the love nor accolades that the holy trinity of Beck, Claption and Page does. Blackmore was hugely influential - think Randy Rhoads for one. Lots more could be written here about Blackmore, but will stop here and wait for the reaction!
No one can leave Blackmore out of any guitar virtuoso list.
Gary I love Blackmore. Beautiful player.
Spot on about Blackmore. Also Alvin Lee is a precursor to the modern shredding. But another guy not mentioned Ulrich Roth with Scorpions a few years in mid Seventies especially the album In Trance in 75 is a great blueprint to where shredding would become. He also did an album in 79 as a trio called Electric Sun and the album called Earthquake that has some great showcase of abilities. But of course Van Halen came out in 78 and that sent it the modern shredders direction with Eruption
Blackmore was not the original. The god and pioneer of shred guitar is Uli Jon Roth followed by the Schenker brothers. Blackmore doesn't like the title at all himself. He, and even actual neo-classical players, consider him to be more of a blues riffer.
@@valdyrgramr I mentioned Roth above. I agree that Roth is the first modern shredder as it came to be. But Blackmore does get some credit as an original shredder. He was using some more complex arpeggios and minor harmonic scales ahead of the pack for his time. Uli John Roth definitely took it much further in Scorpions and Electric Sun. But that doesn't change Blackmore's early contributions to it. Shredders have pointed that out. Rhoads and Malsteem for example
Hey Rick, I've gotta leave you some honest feedback here. This is the second 30-minute video where the title was something interesting and then you never talked about it. I put the video on 2x speed and waited for you to talk about The Gilmour Effect or the Shredders are Boring argument. You mentioned it for like 2-3 minutes and then the entire rest of the video was nothing but you reading off a list of virtuosos. I'm at 24 minutes and I'm just going to close the video now. I love your What Makes This Song great videos, but if your other videos are just going to have clickbait titles with zero actual content then I'm just not going to watch them. I might give another one a shot in a few weeks but ... I doubt you'll see this, drowned in a sea of comments.
Absolutely this. I commented the same before I read your take. I think what he was doing was reading the live comment feed and distracting himself. In musical terms the opening is never resolved. It makes for really bad future viewing, enough to put you off watching more Beato stuff maybe. Then there's all the paid ads and much worse the spoken ads. The test of a RUclips vid is how long would you watch it on TV, and in this case it would be seconds.
Live streams uploaded as videos later without significant editing are always going to be less information dense than a proper informative video with a script etc. I generally skip any of these stream-to-library style videos, regardless of channel.
@@GetUpTheMountains If anyone has heard of post-production it should be Rick Beato.
This was my thought, too. After watching all 29:46, I found myself asking, “So...... what exactly *is* the David Gilmour (not ‘Gilmore’, as listed in some other comments.... he’s not one of The he Gilmore Girls, LOL) effect?”
I get your point but what he was talking about still related to the Gilmour Vs. shredder debate, and that's just generally how streams or j conversations will go. Start with one topic then move on to one still in the same subject
David is a treasure for sure. I'm Rick's age and have spent allot of time around younger musicians half my age who listen to million note per minute music always and when I have to be around it, its physically exhausting to listen to. Don't like any of it it does nothing for me but exhaust me listening. No melodic lines that build to a climax. No feeling or emotion. For them that's what a great guitar player/band is. We all listen to what resonates with us I guess. Dream Theater is about my stopping point for that kinda thing. Yngwie blows my mind love the way he plays, Blackmore, Steve Morse, Satch, Eric Johnson, just to name a very few the list could go on for a while are the kinds of things that include technical ability with feel and emotion.
Its amazing how your place in time influences what you want to hear musically.
This whole discussion reminds me of a joke made by the great Antonio Carlos Jobim in one of his interviews: when asked why his piano solos didn't have that many notes, he answered "that's because I only get to play the right ones".
I could listen to Jobim all day!
“Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art.” So we have guitarists who focus on mastering the guitar, and every ounce of energy is put into being technically excellent, and when they play they want to show us what they've accomplished, and we guitarists are mesmerized for a short while, but eventually it gets boring because while they are incredibly skilled, they are not saying anything. These are the craftsmen of guitar. I'm not naming names because who is a craftsman and who is an artist is highly subjective. I hang out with a lot of very good guitarists, and it seems to me that some of them are spending too much time and energy on craft and not enough on art.
very rarely do i listen to music with the sole intention of paying attention to any of the particular instruments, and how well or not they're played. just the final product - the art, the song. often instruments jump out and catch my attention, sometimes not, but when that doesn't happen, it is not a big deal to me.
Who is that quote from?
@@iksnivils Tom Stoppard, I think
dude, at our age it's not about a fast or slow brain. How many more years do we have to spend listening to faster music? I've done my time, i just want my wife and some slow music so i can enjoy my last days in peace.... AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
;P
I was once watching Clapton with my music loving son who was ten. He said, "who is that guy Dad"? and I replied Eric Clapton, why? I will never forget his answer. This innocent kid said to me, "well .. when I listen to him I get these kinda shivers going up and down my back... " Says it all really.
What a great moment. That’s really cool.
David Gilmour has 8 children, I wonder if they call the daughters the Gilmour Girls? Just a thought.
Roger waters disagree!!
All you have to do is call their names and they’ll be there on the next train
@@Terrible_Peril where they lead, I will follow ;)
If i want to be impressed I watch the likes of Malmsteen - if I want to enjoy music I listen to Knopfler, Gilmour etc.
listen to john 5 and experience both at once
Buckethead is the best of both worlds.
Well said!!
Load of bollocks. Malmsteen is a great composer. Playing fast does not remove song writing abilities. He's written loads of emotional solos.
@@jakezywek6852 : I even transcribe parts of Yngwie's solos. But his playing is very predictable and exhausting to listen to - I have to admit that his vibrato his awesome but he still overplays.
Steve Howe takes the guitar in so many directions he certainly qualifies as a virtuoso.
For sure!
I was lucky to see Mr Howe with Yes play 5 years ago and he was without a doubt the most fired up and passionate guitar player I ever saw in concert and totally in command of his faculties at 70-odd. “Parallels” on the Stratocaster really was something to behold! I also love David Gilmours guitar playing and what a master of space and tone he is.
He is hors concours, also Steve Hackett.
Yeah. He's a complete virtuoso, with the plus that he did it when rock was used to a much lower technical level. He took it way further
absolutely! wish he got more attention here
Any metal guitarist can play fast. When David Gilmour plays you can feel emotion in every note. Like Santana, Clapton, Randy Rhodes, or Hendrix. Seems to me that the shredders are more or less having a pissing contest. Who can play the fastest. I'm not saying all shredders are like that but more than there has to be. 👍👍🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
Stevie Ray Vaughan was indeed a virtuoso. He was the best blues guitarist in decades. No one could play the blues guitar like Stevie. His covers of Jimi Hendrix was incredible!
Look for Adam Hansen. He makes SRV look like an insect if we're talking Hendrix covers
A couple that aren't here : Gary Moore and Randy Rhoads.
RANDY RHOADS. second to nobody on Innovation creativity unpredictability songs within songs not wasting notes song Arrangement song composition from start to finish top to bottom he was an unprecedented genius....
After hearing him as a little kid that's what got me started some classical guitar for the last 30 years I Can Only Imagine what he would have contributed in the classical world had he lived
Eric Clapton is not a virtuoso, but the "Slowhand" moniker does not come from his inability to shred, but from a string-changing ritual. In his early days, he could play plenty of notes, plenty fast. However, he too frequently would run out of ideas a bar or two before the solo was supposed to finish, or perhaps lacked the rudiments to bring the blues scale back into the tonic of his song. The inability to end a solo as well as one begins it is nit a hallmark of a virtuoso.
Randy Rhoads was an amazing classical guitarist. Even while writing and after touring with Ozzy he would still teach classical guitar to his students. He really changed the genre with his unique style. Hendricks, Van Halen and Rhoads layer so much cement onto the ground that is still yet to be broken.
@Dictum1 People who painted "Clapton is God" were from the management of Clapton / Yardbirds himself. That was the communication and advertising of the time, and it wasn't different from today, constantly lying...
@@matthewkanin3105 where did you heard that? I know its not true, but if someone still questioned the veracity of it, I would ask for the reason someone so relevant in the british scene at the time as John Mayall ask Eric to join him.
I love Gilmour because every single note has a purpose, a weaved ebb and flow, accents, there is ZERO showy play for its own sake.
Gilmour's guitar parts fit the music perfectly. No better guitar could've been made for those songs. That said, he's not a "virtuoso". An amazing, influential guitarist? Yes. A technical marvel capable of playing anything? No. And that's not a bad thing. As long as his music engages you as a listener, nothing else matters.
Gilmore is one of the most underrated Rock guitarists out there. His solos are with feeling and control. Tasty I say. His solos also go with the music played and great song writing.
You can hum his music. You can't really hum these sweep picking shredders. Its cool to look at but ends up being Gymnastics and scales from technique. Good for practice, then
you get bored. Its not music really. There is a reason why they were rock gods. They expressed a story, through music. You can sit, relax with a pair of headphones and feel good.
Guitarists like Gilmour and Mark Knopfler show to be "virtuosi" also in the fact they can thoroughly and deeply think about the structural, compositive aspect of Music; technical provess is only used as a tool, when music strictly requires it.
On the opposite side, some "shredders" not only seem poor in musicality, but also not always technically up-to-task, and that speed and excessive distorsion is sometimes used like the vibrato in singing, or the pedal on piano: to cover technical drawbacks in other areas. A true virtuoso doesn't need to constantly show he can play fast.
@@michaelheller8841 Mr. Gilmour would never ever claim being a virtuoso. He is well aware of his limitations.
Call me however tu préfères, Amigo. Lol yeah, how is gilmour underrated?
Virtuosos are like expensive shower heads that have a million confusing settings while the Gilmours of the world are like a warm bath.
...or an (original) Speakman shower head...
I love how your comment instantly conveys that you didn't care about the message of the video 😂😂😂
@@KickflipGnasty I will remain ignorant on the subject damnit! Pour that bath water all over me David.
For me it was the magical merging of the back up instrumentation with Gilmour's melodic phrasing that made PF's sound other worldly.
Love the inadvertent “Echoes” issues Rick was experiencing on a video discussion of the “ Gilmour effect”
Turn off reverb.
I see what you did there :-)