Please, Fix Overseas Selection Policies…
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- So many of the top players in the world won't get to play international rugby in 2024, because of overseas selection policies. Not only are they detrimental to the game all round, but teams that have made the change, have found remarkable success. Since 2018 when the Springboks lifted their restrictions, they have gone on to win back to back world cups.
Should domestic rugby competitions like super rugby and premiership rugby be mandatory for international opportunities? I don't think so. The All Blacks, Wallabies and England are all suffering as a result.
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Rugby is so far behind other sports it's unbelievable. I cannot believe this is still a thing in 2023.
So true… would love to see some elite leagues too
Even outside the sport like making films and video games for entertainment purposes
One also needs to take a look at why domestic competitions were a lot more popular and steeped in quality. Before major air travel, it wasn't easy to go on tour so everyone was forced to play and watch domestically. But now with the access to air travel and immense media coverage that we have globally, all of us can watch any tournament that we want. It also gives more opportunity to players who are great but were never going to replace a big name in their respective jerseys.
We don't know the answer to this questions yet. 2018 was only 5 years ago. The Springbok team that won 2 world cups was developed in the era when players couldn't play overseas and for the Boks at the same time.
The best example I can give is look at South Africas number 8s you have Kwagga Smith and Jasper Wiese paying abroad, but locally you have Roos, Frankie Horn, and Hanekom. Having your better more established player abroad allows younger players to come through locally
Well said !
It would mean even more Aussie players leaving to play in Europe and Japan. This would, inevitably, further weaken and degrade the quality of Australian domestic rugby.
This would, without a shadow of a doubt, reduce the quality of Australian super rugby teams, and further erode the popularity of those teams.
This would also lead to a reduction in TV rights and sponsorship revenue.
Be careful what you wish for. Unlike in Sputh Africa and NZ, rugby in Australia doesn't have incredibly healthy development pathways producing loads of great juniors to replace the players that leave. Nor is the sport popular in the way it is in SA or NZ.
NZ would die a slower but just as bad death as the money would dry up real quick, and the same problems would kill the development pathway and lead to more and more of the upper and middle super players jumping for money and quality opposition
This clown wants the French top 14 to become the same level of dominant as the NBA and all other countries apart from maybe England, SA and Japan to send all their teenagers overseas or else be left behind after all the veterans leave, the quality of play drops and the fans and sponsors leave
I can not see Australian domestic rugby improving with its current model… it’s the perfect time to take a hit for long term gain.
@@uggy it might just make everything worse.
I can't see NZ changing in the near future, but it seems proof is in the pudding. SA changed their eligibility, 2 world cups.
I personally think nz (and oz) should align with Japanese rugby, to create a comp with 12 or so teams with 2 home bases, one in Japan, the other in the Pacific, for a 24 week season. I can't see how Pacific rugby union survives without that cash, and i think Japan might like it too
I think SA was unique in a way. When Erasmus took over, many of our best players were playing overseas already. Not sure if one could say the same for too many other unions. For instance, how many overseas based Kiwis would one consider automatic selections for the ABs?
Super rugby should really look @ getting Japanese teams
New Zealand domestic rugby is too strong, its not a competition but a duck shoot. Also there was a Japanese team in SR, the Sunwolves, was a massive disaster.
Springboks had a lot go their way both world cups though
@@cordlxze9559 2023 for sure, you don't win 1 point games without a bit of luck. 2019 though, what are the things that went the Boks' way?
You got to look at the reverse side of this argument and what it is doing to the domestic competition. In South Africa which has the biggest pool of rugby players, it is giving more emerging players to come up to a higher level. Has it weakened our famous Curry Cup competition or is it just a perception? Super Rugby took the Curry cup shine away? Then there is the Lions (Gauteng team). Went from being relegated from Super Rugby, to three finals in Super Rugby (losing to the Crusaders), yet producing the core of the Springbok team (Marx, Mostert, Kwagga, Faf). Losing nearly all their players to overseas and the richer unions in South Africa. Now still staining to keep their players from the richer unions in South Africa, they are giving fringe players opportunities to grow and the team "seems" to be doing better. My perspective??????? But what I would like to know is after three Super Rugby finals - where did the money go, why can't the Lions retain money. Why Stormers on the verge of bankruptcy has been able to keep the best players???
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There's an arrogance within NZ (not just rugby) that we are both the best around and self-sufficient, but I think that having more players playing overseas and selecting from them will allow a much greater diversity of opinion when it comes to tactics and how they fit into the All Blacks ways of playing, but also how their opposition may be lining up. Video play throughs are one thing, but there's nothing better than actually facing it
I can't agree with this, as I feel it ignores a fundamental consequence of players going overseas: no veterans remain to both provide the experience of going up against, and passing on their knowledge to the next generation. It also doesn't touch upon how the more players compete against each other, and work together as a team, the more they understand each other and function more efficiently as a team. Take Australian Rugby for example, they've weakened over the years as they've expanded their number of Super teams. They were at their strongest when only two Super teams competed.
Then there's the fact of the power imbalance present within World Rugby. The Northern Hemisphere have both more influence and more money than anyone in the Southern Hemisphere, they can essentially veto any proposals put forth by the South, and have done so for many years. Losing too many players swings the pendulum even more in their favour.
However, that said I feel like a balance could still be struck. I think after x amount of years playing domestic, going overseas and still being eligible should be considered.
Edit: playing overseas isn't all good for the Springboks though, case in point being their loss to the All Blacks during The Rugby Championship earlier this year. Because they'd played overseas, it had been months since some of their star players had last played, and as a result they gave a very embarrassing start to the match, essentially gifting the ABs victory in the first 15 minutes. The NZRU on the other hand have well-planned their domestic competition to finish up shortly before the international season begins, ensuring their players are well warmed up and ready for what's ahead.
You make some good points brother! I personally have never liked the theory the less super rugby teams the better. The competition is already dry enough and doesn’t provide enough opportunities (just my opinion).
Most people I speak to would rather watch club rugby for the diverse range of teams and opportunities given 😅 it’s a hard balancing act for sure.
With that said better media and marketing would probably go a long way too…
Rugby is weird, it’s too top heavy. They need to agree to a global calendar and have an agreed window on when internationals would be played - I can’t see that happening because they won’t get an agreement. Future of Top Pro Rugby is the Top 14 France.
I mean i get the argument but for us in SA we have the depth but we need a fair draft system to make sure all teams have access to world class talent coming through schools rugby
Good video bro
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Not so sure NZ gets much stronger. Who would they have picked abroad in their 2023 RWC squad? No one in my opinion that changes them materially!
Fair point! I reckon when the front row stocks got a bit low in the lead up & beginning of the World Cup there’s plenty abroad they would’ve loved to call in.
With the state of super rugby, I think we’ll see a lot more players abroad they’d love to have. Especially in 2024-2025
@@uggy agree, in future they might miss players from abroad but up to this RWC I think the starting XV was the best they could get. Let's see if anynof the starters now come back RM and Frizzell spring to mind as I don't think DMac is the same level as RM.
No way.especialy in NZ,we need our comp strong,and we need players loyal to NZ and the Jersey,
You want to get more money playing a game the NZ RFU helped you developed to your potential good for you,We have a system that doesn't need fixing
I think the idea of ‘keeping it in the country’ is a bit archaic. To develop the international game we have to first develop players. For us English right now, our domestic system is a mess and if that means players like Arundell can flourish then that’s awesome. On the flip side, Radwan who is another electric running winger is stuck at Newcastle, who consistently come last in the prem. in England, pro rugby is full of hypocritical rules. For example, International players can’t go overseas but foreign born players can come in and take the spot of developing talent. There’s no reason why England can’t recruit from overseas because none of the other domestic leagues clash with our international calendar.
Eligibility laws were always a part time solution. The amount of players it retains by holding the threat of not representing your national side is what, 40? 50? Everyone else is too low down to think about it, and the higher tier players have money thrown at them from foreign leagues in its millions. That’s not sustainable.
Eligibility laws also would mean a sudden influx in players for every league, not just the top levels. The players not picked in the top 3 leagues need somewhere to play. If the product is good people will watch it, and having some level of variation in rules between leagues (ie no penalty kick for posts, no lineout mauls, etc) may add variety and novelty to smaller leagues
I wonder if England might fudge it and have an overseas player quota or one off exceptions etc? There will be a lot of pressure from the Premiership not to allow overseas players to be picked. Wales already has a partial allowance by having players over (I think) 50 caps allowed to play overseas and still represent Wales.
Maybe a version of that where for the first eg 20 caps you have to be in the country to be eligible but after that it's a free for all? That allows the unions to have access to and develop young players but allows players in their prime to go where they want. Of course for players on the fringes of selection they may take a whole career to get 20 caps so doesn't really help them! Alternatively it could be minimum x years in domestic competitions at the start of your career.
Agree NZ rugby would do best from this seeing how well their overseas talents have developed.
Australia keeps chopping and changing with nothing coming up successful so far 🥲 I personally don’t mind the cap idea! But would be better if it was domestic caps in my opinion. We had it set on international caps which players nowadays rarely achieve before going abroad. Love the idea of having a couple of seasons local before being able to go abroad into the ‘big leagues’
As a Saffa we want the Kiwis & Ozzies to not change their eligibility laws & make them more stringent ( Kermit The Frog sips tea )
No Ardie, no Nug, no Leicester, no Beuaden, Frizell?? Just kiss the 2027 webb Ellis goodbye right now😂😂I guess we are going back to back to back again if that's the case.
They're still eligible to play for All Blacks 🤣
@@676kiDD how if they're saying this in the video?
Nah g keep it that way so the ABs keep losing they play boring rugby now
i hate them so much man. i think other countries should do it tho, just not the ABs