Hiby R3 Gen 2 REVIEW!
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- After years with the same design, the Hiby R3 is finally updated with an all-new chassis, a volume, knob, and some updated software. AND it's cheaper, now priced well under $200. So is one of the last budget DAPs cheaper and better than ever? I've been using it for months to find out.
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"go find another review thats going to make that stuff up for you" had me cackling
Great video, I bought this a few weeks ago and I'm waiting for it to arrive ahah. Bang on with the blind test stuff, there are so many audio myths you can debunk yourself by doing this!
Great review as always. For an all in one, the less effort to carry and wearable M0 and M0 Pro is the king of portability when you get used to operating it. Also with Shanling vs others.. yes sound characteristics is distinguishable even on blind testing.
Totally agree about the jacks on the bottom, and the volume wheel - game changers. I'm going to get this up for commuting on the train. BTW, Shanling and Hidisz still make competting models.
0:40 Shanling has the M0 Pro and the M1s and Hidizs has the AP80 Pro X (they really should consider updating to a new model at this point). The M1s is definitely the closer competition due to their relatively similar price points and form factor IMO.
An album art cache for the list view would have been really cool. But if it's unimplemented, I agree that it's best to leave it out to avoid slowness and pop-in.
I love classical and if you have eg four sets of piano sonatas the titles begin the same so to have the arts from the beginning REALLY help to choose the right album. Hopefully my saber 2022 has it albeit a bit slow as said
Recently Hiby has released M300 dap which I believe will be one of your favs.
I just got this recently to take to work and to go out with because it fits easily in my pocket with my cell phone as opposed to my R6 III. I had the Pro saber and it was okay. However, I had playback issues in the begining of every album and sometimes navigation caused skips and artifacts during playback. I use the balance and the sound seems larger. I remember being underwhelmed by the pro saber thinking it was dry. The amp on this one just seems to be better at driving my headphones so that may be why. I can't listen to iems because they give me earaches so I tend to have harder to drive headphones.
Pro tip: you want to listen to your albums in order choose play through folder in settings then go to files, and open the folder from the sd card, not from the software interface🤣
Another point is that lacks 5 ghz band, just 2.4 ghz. Could be a problem if you use WiFi , or isn’t? Mine R3 S 22 has both and AirPlay receiving is just AWESOME
I think I will buy this for my iBasso DC-Elite, not for direct use. Heard it's so good and can save tons of cash. Battery life 16hours down to only 4-5hours which using the ibasso dc elite dongle DAC 😮😮😮😮❤❤❤❤
I have baskcally the same gripes with software as you do, so for the time being, i will stick with my hiby r5 gen 1
I like the jacks separate from the usbc connector.
I think optimal layout is USB on top, jacks on bottom, but almost no one does that.
Does it have playback speed? So that I can play audiobooks on 2x speed etc.
Also under 200 you get the shanling m1s which has a better processor and also has a podcast mode.
Looking through how tracks are listed in the “Album Artist” category (bottom right), it looks like that view is preserving album order. It would probably be more obvious what’s going on in there if they used the track sub-descriptor to give the track’s album instead of the artist. I don’t know why Hiby decided to create a whole category to answer your use case instead of just giving the artist category sort options.
It would be great if the jack is in the up. And the knob too.
Thank you so much for a great review. I noticed that you had your R3ii on COAX mode. I was hoping to hook this up to my Chord Mojo, then to my headphones. I am able to do that with my R3 Pro Saber. Will that be possible with the R3ii?
Yep, you can.
Thanks Mr Ryan! I like Ghostly Kisses a lot better than Cigarettes We Trust. This Hiby has a noble knob and happily as usual, there no Android OS so I’m going to give it a go. Looking forward to seeing the new studio. 👍🏻
Not a fan of Android OS?
@@SuperReview iOS is still better. I do have a Zenfone 9 but only for use as a high res audio player. Collecting gadgets is my true hobby so, all in all, it’s just another brick in the wall.
Top review..👍
A few questions, I have the R3 Gen II albeit awaiting a repair after it met the floor rather quickly..😭😭.
I am wanting to use the 4.4 balanced output, basically to see if the difference in output power is better.
I like loud.😏
380mW for 4.4mm from 112mW from 3.5mm.
I’m using some truthear crinacle zero reds at the moment & wondered if it’s better just to get the balanced cable & plug the pins directly into the earpiece or better to buy some balanced headphones..🎧.
Your advice would be much appreciated..👍
My advice is that balanced is a waste of time.
I have song skipping during playback when I connect with Android Auto. Any idea how to fix it?
What are the color codes for this device?
Are u able to advise how fast it loads library on a full 1TB card? I currently have a Sony NW-A45 which takes so long to update database everytime u switch on or change files it is practically useless....
12:00 The player DOES have this functionality. It is under the MUSIC settings under "Play through albums". If you turn that on then it will play the next album in sequence once the one you were just listening to ends.
Typically "play through albums" will indeed play through albums in the correct song order, but will not stay within a selected artist -- once it finishes playing through all albums of one artist, it'll advance to the next, which is not what I want.
@@SuperReview Ohh I misunderstood. I was also wrong about this functionality! Turns out this only works in the ALBUMS section not the ARTIST section. Big bummer honestly cause sometimes I wanna do the same with an artist. :/ Overall I'm less impressed with this device than I thought I would be. Feeling like I should have saved some money and got a mid level android DAP instead.
@@mattgodfray2745 Sadly that limitation is true of a surprisingly high % of DAPs I review, at least using stock software. But yeah with Android you can use Poweramp which rules.
how does it work with Tidal? All smooth?
Thanks for this video. I've had the R3 II since yesterday, it's a good little DAP,
it would be really great IF there weren't some big problems: I can't access my QOBUZ account (if anyone has the same problem as me, let me know) The keyboard is based on an old system of 90s this is not acceptable because there would be room to put all the letters, the little shanling Q1 fits there and it is much smaller!
the interface is really not practical, for example, there is no way to return to the main screen without going up the entire screen chain, and no effective shortcut like on all devices of this type Currently. As for the sound, it's good.with Iem, and good Bluetooth too The device is handy and pleasant but I think I will still send it back if I cannot resolve this Qobuz account problem. Damage . But I already have a Shanling Q1 (without Qobuz) and a Fiio M 11
hello, is there an FM radio? thanks.
hi, does it have better sq as a usb audio transport than a phone with usb audio player pro? thanks
I can’t get this thing to stream from my phone. Hiby Link works but I was hoping to stream Spotify to the R3II.
How do you think this compares to the ap80 pro x?
I live in Cambodia and I can't audition much of anything. Right now I'm torn between a gently used Fiio M11 or a brand new Hiby R3 ii (gen2), as reviewed here. The price of the two units is about the same. I like the idea of getting new kit in general but I'm not thrilled with the Hiby's aesthetic.
The good news is that the Android capability of the M11 means *nothing* to me: I'm looking for a music player with a metal chassis, a separate line out and headphone out, an option to select the line out to bypass the internal DAC and output a digital audio signal, a crank-wheel volume knob, and the best possible sound for less than $200. If the Fiio sounds better I'll probably risk the second-hand status for the improved aesthetic. If the Hiby sounds better, I'll probably live with the lousy aesthetic in order to have the peace of mind of buying new.
Any reactions would be appreciated.
I haven't used an M11, but the difference in sound between them has got to be the least important difference I can imagine.
can I Audio Cast from my phone to Hiby r3 II using Bubble UPNP?
Actually i can easily differentiate players according to their sound quality even in blind tests A B tests.. specially sony and fiio ones.. BUT i totally understand and respect that there other people that can't find or don't care about those differences and i find them very lucky as they make their decisions based on some other aspects that are really important to .. i mean .. how many times I've liked a player's sleekness ,awesome design, size ,good interface , speed but its sound is not my favorite so i skip it 😢
That been said and despite the difference between my preferences and yours ,i don't miss any of your video reviews because i like the way you describe each aspect that matters to you and me of course and how your videos are "clean" and well directed ❤❤
Could you share the details/methodology of your tests? Results (10 out of 10?), test conditions/environment, gear used, etc. If you are talking about what you have noticed when doing it yourself at home and not in a test environment where others are involved and it is legitimately "blind" that is a different thing to a proper test. That would be more opinion/placebo.
@@PerputuallyCensored Yes i am talking about a blind a/b test and my best friend who suggested the idea from the beginning as a friendly and fun challenge for me because he didn't believe why i like sony players sound and don't like some others specially the dry sounding ipods. SO..
-His challenge was 10 songs with different genera between ipod touch 4th gen. and sony zx1 volume matched with white noise by me and him before we begin the test.
-The iem was shure se535 .
- both players were behind my back and me blind folded .
He was taking every measure that I can't get any advantage of it 😂😂 .. needless to say that playback weren't systemic some times he falsely switch the same player twice !!
It was my first blind test and was not so sure ..so, we agreed that i will tell what i like the most not which one is which ..
For my surprise during the test i was able to tell which i liked more and tell the player also ! .. while it was a real blind test but wasn't that blind to me if you know what i mean !! ..
i gave (9) for my preferred device zx1 and ( 1) for the ipod as i liked it more with electronic music as it sounded clearer and wider with a more defined impact bass.
Yes the differences were so small and wasn't sure what the test results after we finished and him announcing me with my results .. it was very fun indeed and even if i was failed in that test i would continue with my opinion 😂😂
those small things that differentiate between good listening experience and immersive one .. at least for me
Peace ❤
Fair enough, though not particularly scientifically controlled or a DAP comparison if comparing an iPod to a Sony DAP. Bit of an unfair fight.
I was curious of your methodology because a legitimate blind A/B should meet certain requirements/criteria. That would include: Using more than 1 set of IEMs/Headphones (including ones you're not familiar with), using the same music and varying the genre, repeated listens to determine averages/scores (how often was any difference heard out of 10/20/30/40/50 listens per song?), identical noise floor (where possible), etc.
I have the Hiby r3 ii and Sony A55 (like for like) and I can hear an audible difference, the noise floor. If that could be removed or normalised on both players I don't think anyone could consistently tell the difference in a proper blind A/B. If you compare DAPs with an equal noise floor that are roughly like for like (specs, price point, power) I think you'll struggle. More importantly, I've never seen any evidence or proof, via public tests, that folks can tell the difference. I've only ever heard anecdotes regarding claims of hearing differences in a blind A/B. Never seen any proof for the claims. @@mmetmalachite2653
@@PerputuallyCensored i agree with most of your reply of course .. it wasn't a fair fight yes .. that what I've struggled to tell my friend 😂😂 so he offered me that challenge ..
Yes it was non scientific.. for 2 reasons :
1- I don't care that much for convincing any one with any of my personal opinions and believes ... Some people say they can hear diff. between cables materials .. i don't believe that and i don't hear differences between cable materials but all power to them if that makes them happy 🤷.
2- as i said it was a fun and friendly game for me and that's it 😁 but we were as honest and real as we can with what available between our hands
I agree that the nois floor is one of the most obvious hearable thing in an audio device .. yes
But the second most noticeable thing is the sound sig. Of the source like : warm - neutral- bright hence come the synergy between the source and the iem or headphone .
Then come the technical aspects of the sound that people will struggle with including me very tiny and not apparent with all materials and tracks and similar in most of what I've tried except few like : imagining -layering etc.
Fair enough.@@mmetmalachite2653
Do you know offhand if there is a hard limit to how many files the R3 Gen 2 supports? I've seen a lot of these things that have huge storage options ( 500gb to 2 TB) but are limited to 20k files or something like that, which is a problem for huge libraries like mine. Thanks for the very thorough and thoughtful review.
I do not know, no.
@@SuperReview Cool, thanks for getting back to me. I can't find anything to indicate that a limit like that exists for this device so far, and usually I see it in the specs when it's a thing. Thanks again
Hi
Great review, what I would like to know is can I make a playlist of my songs, and how is music put on the device , is it just folders with files in it or like Apple , which is not what I want
You just drag and drop files onto a memory card. For playlists, you'd need to create playlist files that you drag and drop onto the memory card. I think that's right -- I haven't done playlists on this TBH.
Can you create multiple play lists with this device❓❓
Hidisz and Ruizu make entry level stuff..small form factor..I have the hiby pro sabre, its real good with my planars. I challenge you to blind test this with an xduoo and not find a difference. Also use the hbse settings on your Hiby to see the difference. You lost me at 'no difference in sound' . At least you dont need to spend a lot on headphones, eh?
Worse battery life in a new model is definitely not the way to go.
While browsing the previous model R3 Pro Saber would randomly lock up and reboot often because of having to constantly populate album arts on the fly. Maybe that's why they got rid of album arts in browsing in this one.
Album arts display only when browsing in album mode. Not in other modes.
As others have mentioned, browsing by Album Artist instead of Artist will list albums alphabetically.
I believe I saw MSEB at one point. Did you try it? What do you think of MSEB.
I think MESB is a neat way to present EQ, but it's not something I use.
i got shure se215 to pair with this...i already have a small damage on my cable so need to change... so do you think is a good idea to buy a balanced cable to connect?
im really new to the dap and iem world..any info would be nice
A balanced cable will not help anything with your Shures, it literally just lets you get more volume out of the player which your Shures do not need.
I would, however, recommend getting a new earphone. I'm not a fan of the SE215.
Mark is it SAFE to use daps with old Androids? They do no receive security updates
It is not high on my list of concerns, but I am not a security expert. I'm happy with my Android 8.1 player.
I have a shangling that isn't android based. it was $120
Does this Hiby re-scan your library every time you power it on like a Walkman or just when you've added songs? My A55 is killing me with 3-4 min load times every single time for a 25k song library.
No I don't think so, but I also don't power it down completely most of the time. It has a sleep/standby mode. Same with the Walkman, unless you're putting it away for weeks at a time, I'd just leave it in standby rather than endure rescanning the library every time, the idle battery drain is very low.
@@SuperReview Great, thanks so much. I bought the HiBy M300 but am returning it. My middle aged eyes just cannot handle the tiny font throughout.
@@ohjasonj Try going to Settings > Display > Font size / Size setting, you can increase the size of everything throughout the UI. I did.
should i get this or a hiby r5 saber soundwise?
They sound the same to me.
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Has anyone used this and been able to compare it with a Lgv60? I want to carry something smaller then the v60 since I've moved to a xperia. (the headphone jack on the xperia isn't good in comparison)
Does the HiBy OS have Parametric EQ?
No.
I am 5 years on the hobby.
Lcd5
He1000v2
Susvara
Ta-zh1es
Chorddave
Empire ears odin
And so on
I have a lot of iems and headphone, high end daps...
I can say:
Portable
Dunu sa6 used 250€
Cayin ru6 used 170€ or dx300 (600€ used)
Hf600 700€ new
Arya se 700€ used
And u have it all.
Nothing gets really better.
Is it more powerful than R3 saber 2022?
Just barely, both have plenty of power to drive everything I have.
Is Hidizs AP80 PRO-X the same just different brand?
More or less, they use the same base operating system.
19:50 the size factor IS important. My hip bag is so small that only R3 S 2022 can enter along with my wallet and keys
That's a good point.
Mine has a big problem with the battery. It charges all day long but the percentage stays fixed at 95%.
Update to 1.1 didn’t solve the problem, so O have to return it.
Mine has done something like that, hasn't bothered me FWIW.
@@SuperReview Thank you for your answer 😊
It’s good to know that I’m not the only one with that, so it may happen again with another unit.
So I think it’s worth to wait for the recently released Hiby Digital M300. Would you like to test it?
I am reviewing the M300 currently. Short answer: I like M300 better.
@@SuperReview Nice 👍🏻 I'm looking forward to the complete review. 😊
Can it be used as a bluetooth receiver?
Yes.
You mention complaints about listing to albums in alphabetical order, It lists it can use CUE. Wouldn't that a way to alleviate this?
Not sure, not something I'm familiar with.
I got mine today and am disappointed not in the quality or the sound quality but... I bought this because I listen to long lectures in MP3 that are each a couple of hours long. My iBasso Audio keeps my place in my lecture when I turn off the player, so when I turn it back on I am right where I left off. I got this player to be a take on the go work player so my expensive iBasso Audio player doesn't get lost or damaged and it does not book mark or stop and recover from where I left off in the lecture. As a music player I'm sure it's fine but for my purposes it is a paperweight. Maybe I will see if one of my kids want it.
From the main menu, tap Music and then tap the gear icon in the top-right corner. Scroll down to Resume play from last and you can change it to resume from last position. Hope that helps.
@@SuperReview That did the trick, Thank you so much.
Awesome. Yeah they kinda hid some of the settings by splitting them into separate menus.
Does this have any kind of EQ? If so, how many bands?
It has a 10-band EQ.
New Hiby M300 $199, Android 13, snapdragon 665, speakers,etc.
Reviewing that one next 👀
but no 4.4
Is Hiby r3 gen2 able to power Hifimann HE400 SE and Sennheiser HD600? thanks for the response
I answered the question in both videos you asked it in.
This or R5 ii for $300?
R5 ii is android
Personally I like the R5ii better, double the battery life and I get to use Poweramp + Drive Sync.
@@SuperReview does POWERAMP make routinely upsamplings ?
@@leonardopapantoniou4227Poweramp does not do bitperfect playback.
3.5 mm connection is kinda weak but 4.4 has healthy power…
Shoot, it's $180 with a good form factor but dang it's not Android
New M300 could make this obsolete TBH.
Lack of 4.4mm + form factor seem like the only real downsides. I think for some though, the minimalism of the R3 Pro 2 will still reign supreme @@SuperReview
Grab a coffee on me Mark...
Bless you, I can use this while our coffee maker is still in storage!
@@SuperReview You're welcome... hopefully life will return to be a bit more normal for ya asap Sir ;)
This could have been amazing if running android instead
Check out the M300.
@@SuperReviewI’m a streamer. I heard is not bit perfect.
In Asia, where this comes from, it's pronounced High-bye...my R3 Sabre pro does not get fingerprints at all..
Almost bought this. Until I saw a deal breaker: WiFi 2.4 Ghz only, which would make streaming a pain. Pass.
This is not really for streaming
4:49. IT IS a big deal. Seriously I was gonna buy one now that I see this I won't buy it. What a stupid design...
Does it supports hebrew?
I got this as it was just about within my budget. Despite some quirks I love it. Sounds great.
Most of niggles mentioned in this are accurate.