Quick correction: at 8:12, I showed the charts for Silent Hill 2 when talking about Silent Hill 1. Here's the link to the Silent Hill 1 chart: www.pricecharting.com/game/playstation/silent-hill
@@franciscoferreiravlogs I am currently downloading all the silent hill games that were released on the ps1 and ps2 for free instead of 500+ dollars I can see the appeal of wanting to play on original hardware but I was born in 2005 and thus didn't really grow up with these games so I didn't have that nostalgia of og hardware but I want to experience them but not enough to pay such prices especially to just some dude on ebay
I am not even a gamer. I owned a gamecube and wii when I was younger, but I was so bad at games I never played haha, but I have always loved everything related to videogames. I also love watching videos about videogames and consoles and I just found your channel and it is amazing! Really interesting stuff
I'm glad that while my friends parents threw consoles into dumpsters,I took care of all my stuff and still have it. Thing is tho, it never became retro to me. Cuz I was always plugging back in my PS1, and Dreamcast and virtual boy and GameCube wether it was 2002,04,07,09,12,14.... It never went away for me. And I've only ever gotten rid of small amounts of games. I still have my boxes virtual boy, boxed PS1,PS2.
This is a good video, bro. Don't know why so many people are getting defensive in the comments despite you showing the price tracking as proof. Keep doing your thing
As someone who recently has had to start selling my old Pokémon games for financial reasons I've been pretty happy with the increase in their value. However, it is concerning to me how the prices still seem to keep rising. When will it end? How much will I have to pay should I ever want to re-acquire them again? How many people bought games just as investment, even when they didn't have the money and the bubble will burst on them? //Edit: Love the personalized Final Fantasies, super cool!
Tbh, I think Pokémon prices will prob stay around the same, with maybe the heavy hitters going up. It just depends on how Nintendo handles rereleasing them (if they ever do) I don’t see them ever dropping back to pre pandemic prices bc there will always be crazy demand and an infinite number of new fans entering the hobby since it’s Pokemon.
The saddest part is either if me or you think the prices are ridiculous, as long as there's one person that pays a set price, that price will be the benchmark everyone else will want. Of course if no one else buys it those prices will slowly dwindle down, but in the context of a lot of these games they will only rise in price (especially until a remake/remaster/port makes the game more available but even then nostalgia might play a factor and the popularity of the game)
Video games have hit the mainstream so hard that even resellers who don’t actually play are getting in on the action. I've seen tons of them scoop up multiple copies of the same game, hoping to drive up its value. It doesn’t help that RUclipsrs are out there finding games for a steal at thrift stores, which gives the average person a chance to cash in on the gaming hobby. Now, even grandmas who have never touched a controller are hitting thrift shops to grab games. It’s turned into a fierce competition, and it’s clear that greed has taken over this once-simple pastime.
I remember when you could “buy” crystal on the 3DS shop… things like that regulates the price but now with almost no other way to play people are stuck to emulate or spend. I think it’ll get worse as you said people are making money off the market being broken.
very nice sensible opinions here. i would say 90% of games for each console are affordable. theres only a handful of games on each console super expensive for very valid reasons. game collecting today may have changed somewhat and yeah maybe those rare gems are no longer 2 dollars but most games can be had at an affordable price.
Hey Francisco, Amazing video! I could be wrong but I believe that the Pokemon Emerald that you've shown in this video, might be a fake cartridge. Gained a sub btw!
As someone who used to work in used media in the 00s (a) I'd see multiple copies of many of these titles for like $10 and (b) it drives me nuts to see you spinning the discs in the cases 🙈
When the remasters (same as the original masters but with optimal quality and glitch fixes released to a newer format) happen, there may be a chance the old games will sold at around the retail price.
That’s a fair point. I was disappointed when I saw that Silent Hill 2 seemingly only went up in price, even though the Remake was received so well. But maybe it’ll be different for remasters.
@@franciscoferreiravlogs üst took a look at the Tomb Raider I-III prices and looks like the remaster releases din't have a huge effect, at least not relative to the all time price history. The announcement of the Soul Reaver remaster didn't really do anything either.
*Mandatory comment about RUclips recommending a worthy smaller creator* It's funny because I just uploaded a small vid about my thoughts on collectionism and, apart of prices, how once you have a proper sized collection it becomes harder to enjoy of the hobby, and RUclips seemed to get it! Also pretty great use of composition fam, I'll keep an eye on your next works
Thank you! I’m sure RUclips will recognize us someday. Just a matter of patience and work ethic. That’s fair! I try playing the games I bought but I’m catching up with newer releases at the moment. Thanks for the support!
just emulate, unless its something you really need cause you have to have it as a kid, you know some game u played with your brother or dad or whatever, get that stuff. Dont Do this full set collecting or any of this other "youtube" like collecting where its addiction buying running rampant. You can emulate all this stuff for free and these "shelf collectors" dont like that cause it devalues their clout and rank. When you really look into this stuff, and I thought about doing a documentary myself but how could I ever get people/youtubers/personalities to sign off when it basically be using clips of their videos, un-edited..showing them acting like lunatics, chasing dopamine highs, and proving scumbag behavior to the community that it has little to do with the games and the majority of it is cause "its how they make their money/living" to pay the bills..overselling these games to addicts and mentally ill people...like drugs. Ordinary person wouldnt spent $500 on a game, someone thats not right in their mind would cause they think that soothes them or completes a "goal" in their mind. Its crazy when you look into it...and its all on video , on youtube, on various peoples channels.
I find the rise kind of absurd as well and I really don't see it slowing down as well. If you take a brand new smoke black n64, right now its around 2000$, compared to 2018 where it was around 600$ which is actually really affordable. Its to the point where if I had 2000$, I could by a 1996 Smoke Black N64, or a 1996 Toyota Camry in good condition. (awesome video as well really enjoyed it)
Really wish i was collecting around the ds 3ds and vita era. Those are games and consoles that I'm interested in but can't stomach the prices that they go for on eBay
As someone who collected alot of stuff during the move to 8th gen i don't see pricing dropping to like that pricing but alot of mid tier stuff will drop drastically in a few years when speculation outclasses the people willing to pay that price. Especially when alot of mid tier games are in an area of they're not good games hence why they didn't sell well. Compared to alot more of the higher end stuff that usually is either niche or a good game that sold bad because it dropped at the end of that consoles life and didn't move up with the generation
*David’s Game Lounge, Perris CA here* First: your video, sound quality and editing are amazing, and you just earned a sub from me. Second: No, unfortunately game prices will not ever go back down to “normal/fair” market prices. Why? Because it would require the entire population to collectively agree to sell their games for cheap. Example: let’s look at the recent decision of GameStop deciding to get into the retro market (which I hope you do a video on). Many people were excited with the argument that it would “fix” the retro price market. But for that to happen - it would take hundreds of thousands of people willing to sell their games to GameStop for far less than the current market value. Who would you sell your $5,000 car too? Someone offering $4,500 or someone offering $2200? Of course you would go with the money… and 99.9% of people will. It’s the *EXACT* same logic with retro gaming - which is why GameStop retro isn’t sustainable because YES they’re selling the games for far less… but to get the games to sell in the first place, they have to also offer a lot less [and there’s no market for people willing to sell at those offered prices]. The majority of people out there now understand the value of games they have, and human nature will always try to squeeze the most money from an item you’re selling. It’s not a bad thing, it’s just how we’re wired. And to end this comment on an even worse note… mainstream gaming is creeping over to digital exclusive (something else I’d love a video from you of), no different than movies moved over to streaming. Everyone knows you don’t *OWN* a digital download, at the end of the day you’re just borrowing the rights to play the game - so the unintended consequence of this will be the prices of physical media just EXPLODING in value. At the end of your video you showed prices of games that are less than $20/$10. One of which was Final Fantasy X [my personal favorite game of all time]. Current retail for that game is $12 - $15. Watch the market in just a couple years when we fully autonomize to digital download - even that game will double in price. . Anyways I digress and apologize for the rant. My 20-year-old son and I just finished your video and we were both extremely impressed. Good job man 👏🏼
Thank you for the support! And you’re right, nobody would agree to sell their games for so much less of what the market says they’re worth. Additionally, I think GameStop Retro is an interesting case. But their prices are not that bad, even if they do have their issues. I will be making a video on them soon, as well. That’s also a great idea, I’d love to make a video about mainstream gaming slowly becoming digital only (software and hardware forcing consumers to do so). I appreciate your comment! Thank you for the feedback.
I had to resurface paper Mario and the thousand year door for GameCube and the game never could go past the title screen. That's the bad thing about the GameCube discs.
It’s very unfortunate. I had an issue with a Melee disc where it would always freeze when beating any of the modes, after the credits. Resurfacing it couldn’t fix it either.
I love how you say “collecting”. Collecting is exactly why all this shit is extremely expensive. The prices will never go down. because people have become collectors and not gamers. People who just want to experience or re experience old games again have to pay up the ass to play on an original console because of people like you.
If a game is going for a price that's just too high, I just don't buy it. The reason these people can get away with these dumbass prices is because desperate people pay them 🙄
I think it mostly matters to which generation your collection and weather that generation is still around to play em, i imagine in a 100 years from now would be people even care to play the old stuff from the 80s or 90s? not likely only the most hardcore would and most games would be worthless to get if u can even play em.
I remember seeing best buy clearance out 3ds games like monster Hunter stories for 16 bucks. I missed it and it later became an 80+ dollar game. Glad i didn't pay because it got ported to switch. Now i primarily collect for switch with hopes it will get most of the games i care for. I would lose my mind if it got the xenosaga trilogy, xenogears and other expensive jrpgs.
My Retro Stores around me, well most of them, sell games for a really fair value. I got a GameCube again and a bunch of games I had when I was younger back for a decent amount of price. I took the Switch games I no longer wish to play again to stores that have the more expensive games to lower the cost of getting them. I treat buying a retro game as something like buying a new video game, but the game I am aiming for is better then most of the current games, imho, so it makes it more worthwhile to get. I really don't understand the Pokemon price-gouging tho. Why are they so expensive when they sold millions of copies? I am not a Pokemon fan so it doesn't hurt my pocket, but its super ridiculous to charge so much for a dang loose copy of a common games (except Pokemon Box, that was really short-printed).
It’s because the games are good and most people that got them don’t typically sell them which means there’s not many available copies in the wild which drives the price up if that makes sense
You got yours at an amazing price. I remember owning the complete version of Pokémon Soulsilver. I think I sold it to GameStop many years ago for $15. Look at it now.
Some of those games really should though. I brought blades of time for 12 or something years ago. There's no reason you should pay 70+ cib. One of the most offensively mediocre games ever made
When the generation who played them and collect them are nearing grandpa age, the prices go down very quickly because the next generation grew up playing something else, so it has no emotional value to them
bull.................... most retro games are under the $20 mark. name one rare console + game that cost more then a ps5 + one new game. simple fact is that things that are out of print for over 20 years at most cost the same as something printed today. i counted 44 games in your collection at a price point of $1000 that is a price of $22.72 a game. so thats cheaper then a pack of cigarettes per game....................................... other collectors be warned, these youtube fear mongers are after your clicks and will stretch the truth or copy other who already have in order to get them. even a rare game like silent hill or def jam fight for NY can still be had for the approximate value of a new collecters edition "digital content game"
The average new game today is $70. A very large portion of gamers believe older gamers are actually better than modern games. That would make “good” older games at least as valuable to these people as worse new stuff. That’s just one contributing factor. All physical, non perishable, assets are investments. A lot of new millionaires grew up with video games so spending 5-6 figures on a game now happens all the time. As more people with money invest it’ll pull up all available inventory. That’s another angle. At the end of the day gaming is a luxury hobby that costs many thousands of dollars and 10 if not 100s of thousands of dollars in terms of time invested (depending on how valuable the players time is.) So spending $50-$100 on a game is normal. Spending $500 on something super rare makes sense, and if you’re rich why not spend $500K to have the best in the world at something you love. The value will only go up. So there’s no reason to worry about price. In 20 years almost every game will make you money. So ultimately if money is tight stick to gamepass or steam sales, but if you have a few thousand a year to spend you can build a good collection quick and sell for profit to help with your retirement when you’re done with them.
As with everything, these things come in waves. Hopefully this trend will die soon and owning original copies can be attainable once again. I think as far as Pokemon games go, if Nintendo would just release all gens on the virtual store that would be enough to make the prices go back to normal. As far as I can tell, over the years people just want to experience playing these games, there isn't a preference on HOW they own/play them. So as long as they are easily found on a virtual marketplace (at the very least) then all prices will become normal once more. Also there is no such thing as video-game investing, it's all a ploy to make short term gains, invest and max out your 401k plans people, you'll get significantly higher gains, at 0 dollars per hour labor cause it is all passive income gains ;)
I got really lucky in 2023 Got a deal on quite literally on Pearl , Diamond , Platinum, heart gold , White , white 2 , black 2 Three of them missing manuals but besides that everything in great for around 200 $ with the pokey walker
You don't have to pay full price for retro games, obviously there is the top price you may see on ebay or in a gaming chain store, then the online auctions where you can get a reduction, maybe a good one depending on watchers etc or the time of day, also pawn shops that either under price because they are not aware of it's value or a game has sat for so long with a discount then the rock bottom prices in a second hand non related gaming shop.
I haven’t had the same experience. Pawn shops near me and such, seem to always sell for higher than market value. It’s been a tough road finding good deals, haha.
I hate this. I was born late that didnt grew up with the Wii Xbox Ps3 era and only grew up with the Xbox one PS4 and Wii U era. I cannot play this older games from the mid 2000 era since they all became million dollars collectors items. Many say that that was the last good gaming era but didnt grew up with. Also starting collecting them befor the prices skyrocket on Ebay but need to be on a lookout from the dreaded cartridge rot and disc rot.
what is normal? will I ever buy a BMW 507 for 13250€ again? thats the price it did cost and now its 2100000€ supply and demand does control the price. we can slow down the demand by not creating any hype around valuable games anymore but nothing more to do.
IF & only IF people will stop paying for these "crazy prices" on retro games!...but they wont!...just makes too much sense!..if common sense was common everyone would have it!🤷♂️
Honestly I don’t think retro game prices are that bad. Sure some series like Pokemon and older RPGs are astronomically over priced but the vast majority of quality games can be purchased for under $40. Sure they aren’t as cheap as they used to be but that’s the price you pay when a hobby becomes much more mainstream. I collected a ton prior to 2020 so I was lucky to not have to pay the absurd prices for most games but I still do pick up things from time to time and haven’t noticed much of a difference in price. For the most part, the previously expensive games have ballooned while the vast majority of games either stayed relatively the same or jumped up $15-25. I think my least favorite part of this isn’t necessarily game prices going up, but the hobby being about money now. I remember growing up there was a used game store near me called Play N Trade and me and my brother would go in there every day after school since it was near our elementary school. The gimmick of the store was they let you play games before you buy them in store so we would just sit in the store playing games for like an hour or two every now and again. Since we had a Wii and ds at the time, I got lots of gamecube/gba games since they were cheaper than the current gen games (my best deal was Pokémon colosseum with the bonus disc as a little extra for $15) They closed in 2015, a little after I got into collecting. I wish stores like Play N Trade were still around so we can share the love of gaming, even if you can’t afford it!
Thanks for sharing. I think this sounds incredibly nice and if a store like that was still around, it’d be great for many old and new customers. I know what you mean, a lot of games can be purchased for under $40, even if it’s not cheap, it’s still doable. I hope prices continue trending downwards, although, some only keep rising (as of now).
'Prices' are up because the money is worth less. This is what happens when government spends money it doesn't have. Inflation is real, and everything is effected.
Scarcity is a lack of abundance. These games aren't produced anymore, so they become scarce. Money is 'printed' digitally every single day, every time you deposit money into a FDIC insured bank. The system is the problem.
"Not a very accessible hobby"? What games are you trying to get? There are many really good, celebrated games that are cheap. Expecting grail type games or popular high demand IPs for 20$ is unrealistic. If youre collecting cards and want a jordan rookie you have to pay up. Why should video games be any different?
@@vito most of us didn't go into collecting with the idea that it would be worth a lot someday. I think most collectors want to be able to buy the stuff they like without having to pay these insane prices
niche / ultra popular games are a bad example of the overall market and most games are well past peak. Collecting is a luxury hobby for those with disposable income and any economic downturn is going to see a fire sale à la 2008-9 if people cant pay their bills. We are also in an early era of FPGA, advanced handhelds, and a really healthy console mod / flash cart community, reproductions, and not to mention a ton of re-releases + virtual console. The current market is really only standing on hype and nostalgia from social media with strong economic conditions.
I guess I should also bring up “what is expensive?” This is a relative thing. Relative to pre-2020 prices yes things are much higher on games, but also on everything. In fact everything else is 2x 2019 prices on average. So games are only outliers if they exceed 2x. But that’s only relative to the past. $70 is what video games cost today. That’s the same price some N64 games I got in the 90s. Some people make
I'm sorry but this video is absurd. Even in your original thesis statement you mention that your current collection of 44 games cost you $1,000. Is an average cost of $22 per game really breaking the bank for a hobby? This idea that retro game collecting is overpriced is completely blown out of proportion, and you yourself admit that you haven't paid any attention to the market until it blew up during the pandemic.
I absolutely agree. Retro gaming as a whole has gotten a little pricier but it isn’t unattainable to have a good collection of games for cheap. The vast majority of games only slightly went up in price with popular franchises like Pokemon and already expensive games being the ones that went up (of course you had your random rare games like chibi robo rise as well) Look at a game like FFIX, a praised and celebrated game that only went up like $10. It’s not impossible to build a collection of great games on the cheaper side. Even when it comes to finding Pokemon games it’s not impossible to find them for a good price. Last year, I found a CIB White 2 for $80 at a GameStop in Arizona when visiting family. Passed on it bc I already have it and don’t need another. Plus, even if you don’t want to get them in person, bidding for them on eBay or making offers on Mercari is a great way to pick up games. I think my best deal was persona 2 innocent sin for psp for $100 and this was around a year and a half ago.
He clearly stated that the collection consisted of mostly cheap games with only a few expensive ones. I don't think he's claiming that everything is a hundred dollar game. I think he's pointing towards an overall increase in price for many older games across multiple consoles
Yeah it's affordable if you like playing enter the matrix, sports games, and cheap clunky racing games... I found Xenosaga ep 1 at Vintage stock for 30 bucks literally like late last year and I'm seeing copies online go as far up to 100 bucks... if you got EP 1 & 2 like I did for around 60 bucks total and finish those and wanna play EP 3? Guess what? Good luck on touching Xenosaga episode 3 for less than 200 bucks.. I also slept on Silent hill Series, I've always heard great things about as a teenager but never got the chance to get one, now in my early 20s I'm interested in playing these games, guess what? Good luck touching a copy of Silent Hill 2 for 200 bucks or less. I don't think you truly understand what they were even trying to get at in the video, much less the statistics they literally showed in the video.
@@Blob-jx3fg many, many games have kept up with the rate of inflation or are beating it, to say otherwise is just a lie or focuses solely on key outliers whose price is inflated for some other circumstance. The current trend has been downward for prices post-pandemic across the board, and the hobby is still largely accessible aside from those longing for the unrealistic prices of the early 2010s. There’s more people in the hobby now, thus more demand thus higher pricing.
@@RealRedHerring i don't think you can claim that it's only a few outliers. Inflation is one thing but the sheer amount of games that aren't accessible on modern systems and are sold for high amounts is astounding. Even current stuff becomes absurdly expensive the second it goes out of print
The premise is already flawed as it supposes that there is a a state of normalcy that both existed at some point and can be pinpointed However even a second of critical thought regarding what the items we are talking about actually are reveals that such a thing could never exist in the first place as they are luxury goods bought and enjoyed as collectible items. It is hypocritical to assume that just because you think prices are high that they are actually inflated. It is also arbitrary and a useless critique. If you compare retro games (collecting) to other hobbies it is actually extremely affordable and while the popular stuff is obviously going to be more expensive, a large portion of all games can be bought for 20 bucks or less.
You can't deny that collecting older games has become substantially harder and more expensive. Everyone on eBay wants top dollar for their old stuff regardless of what condition it's in. Old games used to just be old games for the average person looking to get rid of stuff. Now everything thats no longer in print is considered rare and collectible.
@@Blob-jx3fg That is a subjective claim. The hobby has become more popular in certain ways yes. But this interest has mainly condensed itself into (currently) popular games. More obscure systems or games have not particularly appreciated. And people asking top dollar for something never affects market prices. If anything, the more people are selling items, no matter the goal, the lower prices are. Granted the increase in activity on the market would cause an increase in value but so what. If you look at what the 'value' of games should be, you can easily make the argument that new prices * inflation/appreciation should be that number, which would make the median price significantly higher on most stuff than it currently is.
@@trevor245 i don't agree with your rationale on how the market has remain unchanged. Have you seen the market for something like switch games?? Games like bayonetta 2, the yomawari games, the atelier ryza games, xenoblade 2 and others all became expensive when they went out of print. There was a slight dip in the market when they received a small reprint from vgp and nisamerica but the average person might not know of these cycles and probably caved into eBay prices. I think the amount of artificial rarity caused by resellers and the practices of companies pitching limited availability has caused an awful cycle that has infected the entire gaming hobby. I don't think pointing to a cheap game like m&m kart racing on the ds disproved the thesis of this video.
@@Blob-jx3fg I never claimed the market has remained unchanged? Your argument is on something entirely different from retro video games and that is artificial scarcity (not artificial rarity from resellers, that statement is inherently contradictory). FOMO marketing is all the rage currently. People buying up product to resell happens but that is not artificial scarcity, that is just straight up scarcity. I disagree with the whole principle of claiming that currently prices for retro games, the subject of discussion, are abnormal simply because it implies that there is a normal price which is nonsense.
@@trevor245 is there a price point which would make you admit that it's a problem? If xenosaga ep 3, xenogears and chrono trigger became $1000 games would you maintain your position that there's nothing wrong? I get what you're saying about artificial rarity but at a certain point it doesn't matter if the game is actually rare if buyers have nowhere to turn to when prices are the same on eBay, at conventions or at a game store. Heck, even goodwill has become aggressively involved in the reseller market.
Bro’s inflection and pacing sometimes sounds like he is an AI voiceover. Is this a trend we should be concerned about with younger generations hearing so much AI VO as they grow up? Regardless, good look at how things have been changing in the retro gaming space over the past few years. I regret selling so many of my GameCube games as a kid; who would have known that some games would balloon up to 10x in price. Sigh.
Then you go create a better video than criticize. For a channel with under 1K, he had lighting, audio, and story telling down. Go ride a Harley, Jacob.
@ I thought it was a great video, his delivery just seemed odd to me. And I’m not a RUclips creator so I don’t make videos like this, but I am a professional sound designer and millions of people hear my work every day. Didn’t mean to offend, I am just more sensitive to sound than most people so I was noting what I was hearing. Have a good evening, Maverick!
Quick correction: at 8:12, I showed the charts for Silent Hill 2 when talking about Silent Hill 1. Here's the link to the Silent Hill 1 chart: www.pricecharting.com/game/playstation/silent-hill
Francisco Ferreira, are you Portuguese or ou parents ?
Just saw this! I’m Dominican. But my lineage with grandparents leans more Portuguese/Spaniard.
So glad I started collecting in 2008.
yeah.same here.i collect I was a kid.
@@shanenice5380 I started in 2005
this video is making me even more thankful of my retroid purchase and just emulating the games
I used to collect retro handhelds (Android emulators). They’re great! I still have a few Anbernic ones.
@@franciscoferreiravlogs I am currently downloading all the silent hill games that were released on the ps1 and ps2 for free instead of 500+ dollars I can see the appeal of wanting to play on original hardware but I was born in 2005 and thus didn't really grow up with these games so I didn't have that nostalgia of og hardware but I want to experience them but not enough to pay such prices especially to just some dude on ebay
I am not even a gamer. I owned a gamecube and wii when I was younger, but I was so bad at games I never played haha, but I have always loved everything related to videogames. I also love watching videos about videogames and consoles and I just found your channel and it is amazing! Really interesting stuff
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for sharing, as well.
great quality, cisco! and well written
Thank you!
I'm glad that while my friends parents threw consoles into dumpsters,I took care of all my stuff and still have it. Thing is tho, it never became retro to me. Cuz I was always plugging back in my PS1, and Dreamcast and virtual boy and GameCube wether it was 2002,04,07,09,12,14.... It never went away for me. And I've only ever gotten rid of small amounts of games. I still have my boxes virtual boy, boxed PS1,PS2.
@@NintenDub wish somebody woulda told me to not immediately discard my box for Pokémon Crystal when i was 5 years old lol
@@Blob-jx3fg at least you where 5. Imagine the ppl who where 20, who just tossed the box cuz it was the packaging
This was a gem of a mini doc. Well done brother
This is a good video, bro. Don't know why so many people are getting defensive in the comments despite you showing the price tracking as proof. Keep doing your thing
As someone who recently has had to start selling my old Pokémon games for financial reasons I've been pretty happy with the increase in their value. However, it is concerning to me how the prices still seem to keep rising. When will it end? How much will I have to pay should I ever want to re-acquire them again? How many people bought games just as investment, even when they didn't have the money and the bubble will burst on them? //Edit: Love the personalized Final Fantasies, super cool!
Totally get it! I do hope that prices for these games end up normalizing at some point. But I doubt it.
Thank you!
Tbh, I think Pokémon prices will prob stay around the same, with maybe the heavy hitters going up. It just depends on how Nintendo handles rereleasing them (if they ever do) I don’t see them ever dropping back to pre pandemic prices bc there will always be crazy demand and an infinite number of new fans entering the hobby since it’s Pokemon.
Keep your Pokémon games. If you have to resell. Don't intend on rebuying. Just move on. You don't wanna see those prices you have to pay.
The saddest part is either if me or you think the prices are ridiculous, as long as there's one person that pays a set price, that price will be the benchmark everyone else will want. Of course if no one else buys it those prices will slowly dwindle down, but in the context of a lot of these games they will only rise in price (especially until a remake/remaster/port makes the game more available but even then nostalgia might play a factor and the popularity of the game)
Video games have hit the mainstream so hard that even resellers who don’t actually play are getting in on the action. I've seen tons of them scoop up multiple copies of the same game, hoping to drive up its value. It doesn’t help that RUclipsrs are out there finding games for a steal at thrift stores, which gives the average person a chance to cash in on the gaming hobby. Now, even grandmas who have never touched a controller are hitting thrift shops to grab games. It’s turned into a fierce competition, and it’s clear that greed has taken over this once-simple pastime.
I remember when you could “buy” crystal on the 3DS shop… things like that regulates the price but now with almost no other way to play people are stuck to emulate or spend. I think it’ll get worse as you said people are making money off the market being broken.
very nice sensible opinions here. i would say 90% of games for each console are affordable. theres only a handful of games on each console super expensive for very valid reasons. game collecting today may have changed somewhat and yeah maybe those rare gems are no longer 2 dollars but most games can be had at an affordable price.
Any decent GameCube game is at least $50
@ippoverse xmen legends 1 and 2 can be had for 25 cib. I'd say that is a decent GameCube game.
Hey Francisco, Amazing video!
I could be wrong but I believe that the Pokemon Emerald that you've shown in this video, might be a fake cartridge.
Gained a sub btw!
Thank you! You’re correct, that is a fake version of Emerald. I showed it off for the visuals as I don’t have an authentic copy.
As someone who used to work in used media in the 00s (a) I'd see multiple copies of many of these titles for like $10 and (b) it drives me nuts to see you spinning the discs in the cases 🙈
When the remasters (same as the original masters but with optimal quality and glitch fixes released to a newer format) happen, there may be a chance the old games will sold at around the retail price.
That’s a fair point. I was disappointed when I saw that Silent Hill 2 seemingly only went up in price, even though the Remake was received so well. But maybe it’ll be different for remasters.
@@franciscoferreiravlogs üst took a look at the Tomb Raider I-III prices and looks like the remaster releases din't have a huge effect, at least not relative to the all time price history. The announcement of the Soul Reaver remaster didn't really do anything either.
*Mandatory comment about RUclips recommending a worthy smaller creator*
It's funny because I just uploaded a small vid about my thoughts on collectionism and, apart of prices, how once you have a proper sized collection it becomes harder to enjoy of the hobby, and RUclips seemed to get it! Also pretty great use of composition fam, I'll keep an eye on your next works
Thank you! I’m sure RUclips will recognize us someday. Just a matter of patience and work ethic.
That’s fair! I try playing the games I bought but I’m catching up with newer releases at the moment. Thanks for the support!
just emulate, unless its something you really need cause you have to have it as a kid, you know some game u played with your brother or dad or whatever, get that stuff. Dont Do this full set collecting or any of this other "youtube" like collecting where its addiction buying running rampant. You can emulate all this stuff for free and these "shelf collectors" dont like that cause it devalues their clout and rank.
When you really look into this stuff, and I thought about doing a documentary myself but how could I ever get people/youtubers/personalities to sign off when it basically be using clips of their videos, un-edited..showing them acting like lunatics, chasing dopamine highs, and proving scumbag behavior to the community that it has little to do with the games and the majority of it is cause "its how they make their money/living" to pay the bills..overselling these games to addicts and mentally ill people...like drugs.
Ordinary person wouldnt spent $500 on a game, someone thats not right in their mind would cause they think that soothes them or completes a "goal" in their mind. Its crazy when you look into it...and its all on video , on youtube, on various peoples channels.
Glad all my pickup started in 1991.
I find the rise kind of absurd as well and I really don't see it slowing down as well. If you take a brand new smoke black n64, right now its around 2000$, compared to 2018 where it was around 600$ which is actually really affordable. Its to the point where if I had 2000$, I could by a 1996 Smoke Black N64, or a 1996 Toyota Camry in good condition.
(awesome video as well really enjoyed it)
Really wish i was collecting around the ds 3ds and vita era. Those are games and consoles that I'm interested in but can't stomach the prices that they go for on eBay
Thank God I got the Silent Hill games before the pandemic
Hype titles can lose value but true rare collectables never fall in price unless there is more stock uncovered
As someone who collected alot of stuff during the move to 8th gen i don't see pricing dropping to like that pricing but alot of mid tier stuff will drop drastically in a few years when speculation outclasses the people willing to pay that price. Especially when alot of mid tier games are in an area of they're not good games hence why they didn't sell well. Compared to alot more of the higher end stuff that usually is either niche or a good game that sold bad because it dropped at the end of that consoles life and didn't move up with the generation
Im so triggerd when he rotates the disc in the case...
Yeahhhh make more scratches 🤬😅
Noted! I’ll be more careful.
@@franciscoferreiravlogs 😅 Thanks 👍
*David’s Game Lounge, Perris CA here*
First: your video, sound quality and editing are amazing, and you just earned a sub from me.
Second: No, unfortunately game prices will not ever go back down to “normal/fair” market prices.
Why? Because it would require the entire population to collectively agree to sell their games for cheap. Example: let’s look at the recent decision of GameStop deciding to get into the retro market (which I hope you do a video on). Many people were excited with the argument that it would “fix” the retro price market. But for that to happen - it would take hundreds of thousands of people willing to sell their games to GameStop for far less than the current market value.
Who would you sell your $5,000 car too? Someone offering $4,500 or someone offering $2200? Of course you would go with the money… and 99.9% of people will. It’s the *EXACT* same logic with retro gaming - which is why GameStop retro isn’t sustainable because YES they’re selling the games for far less… but to get the games to sell in the first place, they have to also offer a lot less [and there’s no market for people willing to sell at those offered prices].
The majority of people out there now understand the value of games they have, and human nature will always try to squeeze the most money from an item you’re selling. It’s not a bad thing, it’s just how we’re wired. And to end this comment on an even worse note… mainstream gaming is creeping over to digital exclusive (something else I’d love a video from you of), no different than movies moved over to streaming. Everyone knows you don’t *OWN* a digital download, at the end of the day you’re just borrowing the rights to play the game - so the unintended consequence of this will be the prices of physical media just EXPLODING in value.
At the end of your video you showed prices of games that are less than $20/$10. One of which was Final Fantasy X [my personal favorite game of all time]. Current retail for that game is $12 - $15. Watch the market in just a couple years when we fully autonomize to digital download - even that game will double in price.
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Anyways I digress and apologize for the rant. My 20-year-old son and I just finished your video and we were both extremely impressed. Good job man 👏🏼
Thank you for the support! And you’re right, nobody would agree to sell their games for so much less of what the market says they’re worth. Additionally, I think GameStop Retro is an interesting case. But their prices are not that bad, even if they do have their issues. I will be making a video on them soon, as well. That’s also a great idea, I’d love to make a video about mainstream gaming slowly becoming digital only (software and hardware forcing consumers to do so).
I appreciate your comment! Thank you for the feedback.
@@franciscoferreiravlogs will be sharing this video on our business IG. It’ll definitely generate some talk. I’ll tag you as well 👍
@@danieldavid9887thank you! I really appreciate that.
I had to resurface paper Mario and the thousand year door for GameCube and the game never could go past the title screen. That's the bad thing about the GameCube discs.
It’s very unfortunate. I had an issue with a Melee disc where it would always freeze when beating any of the modes, after the credits. Resurfacing it couldn’t fix it either.
I love how you say “collecting”. Collecting is exactly why all this shit is extremely expensive. The prices will never go down. because people have become collectors and not gamers. People who just want to experience or re experience old games again have to pay up the ass to play on an original console because of people like you.
WOW it’s good that I didn’t sell my platinum ds when I started collecting psp games and now I know how expensive Pokémon is now😂
Bro please be more careful when opening that soul silver box. That hurt to watch 😣
Noted!
This is a good video. I agree. Dame I wish I was born in the 80's
Thanks for stopping by!
If a game is going for a price that's just too high, I just don't buy it. The reason these people can get away with these dumbass prices is because desperate people pay them 🙄
Just saw someone pay 850 for a beat up 20th anniversary new 3ds on eBay...
@@Blob-jx3fg exactly my point. Ridiculous.
I think it mostly matters to which generation your collection and weather that generation is still around to play em, i imagine in a 100 years from now would be people even care to play the old stuff from the 80s or 90s? not likely only the most hardcore would and most games would be worthless to get if u can even play em.
I remember seeing best buy clearance out 3ds games like monster Hunter stories for 16 bucks. I missed it and it later became an 80+ dollar game. Glad i didn't pay because it got ported to switch. Now i primarily collect for switch with hopes it will get most of the games i care for. I would lose my mind if it got the xenosaga trilogy, xenogears and other expensive jrpgs.
You have the same name of my grandfather!
My Retro Stores around me, well most of them, sell games for a really fair value. I got a GameCube again and a bunch of games I had when I was younger back for a decent amount of price. I took the Switch games I no longer wish to play again to stores that have the more expensive games to lower the cost of getting them. I treat buying a retro game as something like buying a new video game, but the game I am aiming for is better then most of the current games, imho, so it makes it more worthwhile to get.
I really don't understand the Pokemon price-gouging tho. Why are they so expensive when they sold millions of copies? I am not a Pokemon fan so it doesn't hurt my pocket, but its super ridiculous to charge so much for a dang loose copy of a common games (except Pokemon Box, that was really short-printed).
It’s because the games are good and most people that got them don’t typically sell them which means there’s not many available copies in the wild which drives the price up if that makes sense
its crazy cuz i bought tenkaichi 3 for 50, years ago (first time ever playing it) then i sold it shortly after. i should have kept it. dang it
You got yours at an amazing price. I remember owning the complete version of Pokémon Soulsilver. I think I sold it to GameStop many years ago for $15. Look at it now.
They will only go to where they belong to. If something is rare and on demand, it will never go back to the 5$ trash bin.
I think that’s fair. Games that have reasons to be more expensive, will remain that way.
Some of those games really should though.
I brought blades of time for 12 or something years ago.
There's no reason you should pay 70+ cib. One of the most offensively mediocre games ever made
@Fencer_Nowa I was going get it for ps3.i say na lol.
$5
I got lucky and got dbzbt3 for 2.50 from a pawn shop and def jam for 1$ at a thrift store
I go theft stores old games.our ebay for ps5 games for less
When the generation who played them and collect them are nearing grandpa age, the prices go down very quickly because the next generation grew up playing something else, so it has no emotional value to them
bull.................... most retro games are under the $20 mark.
name one rare console + game that cost more then a ps5 + one new game.
simple fact is that things that are out of print for over 20 years at most cost the same as something printed today.
i counted 44 games in your collection at a price point of $1000 that is a price of $22.72 a game.
so thats cheaper then a pack of cigarettes per game.......................................
other collectors be warned, these youtube fear mongers are after your clicks and will stretch the truth or copy other who already have in order to get them.
even a rare game like silent hill or def jam fight for NY can still be had for the approximate value of a new collecters edition "digital content game"
The average new game today is $70. A very large portion of gamers believe older gamers are actually better than modern games. That would make “good” older games at least as valuable to these people as worse new stuff. That’s just one contributing factor. All physical, non perishable, assets are investments. A lot of new millionaires grew up with video games so spending 5-6 figures on a game now happens all the time. As more people with money invest it’ll pull up all available inventory. That’s another angle. At the end of the day gaming is a luxury hobby that costs many thousands of dollars and 10 if not 100s of thousands of dollars in terms of time invested (depending on how valuable the players time is.) So spending $50-$100 on a game is normal. Spending $500 on something super rare makes sense, and if you’re rich why not spend $500K to have the best in the world at something you love. The value will only go up. So there’s no reason to worry about price. In 20 years almost every game will make you money. So ultimately if money is tight stick to gamepass or steam sales, but if you have a few thousand a year to spend you can build a good collection quick and sell for profit to help with your retirement when you’re done with them.
As with everything, these things come in waves. Hopefully this trend will die soon and owning original copies can be attainable once again. I think as far as Pokemon games go, if Nintendo would just release all gens on the virtual store that would be enough to make the prices go back to normal. As far as I can tell, over the years people just want to experience playing these games, there isn't a preference on HOW they own/play them. So as long as they are easily found on a virtual marketplace (at the very least) then all prices will become normal once more. Also there is no such thing as video-game investing, it's all a ploy to make short term gains, invest and max out your 401k plans people, you'll get significantly higher gains, at 0 dollars per hour labor cause it is all passive income gains ;)
I got really lucky in 2023 Got a deal on quite literally on Pearl , Diamond , Platinum, heart gold , White , white 2 , black 2 Three of them missing manuals but besides that everything in great for around 200 $ with the pokey walker
Those are incredible deals. Hope you enjoy them for a long time to come!
You don't have to pay full price for retro games, obviously there is the top price you may see on ebay or in a gaming chain store, then the online auctions where you can get a reduction, maybe a good one depending on watchers etc or the time of day, also pawn shops that either under price because they are not aware of it's value or a game has sat for so long with a discount then the rock bottom prices in a second hand non related gaming shop.
I haven’t had the same experience. Pawn shops near me and such, seem to always sell for higher than market value. It’s been a tough road finding good deals, haha.
Shouldn't youtube be in section 3?
Will houses ever go back down ?
whats a house?
I hate this. I was born late that didnt grew up with the Wii Xbox Ps3 era and only grew up with the Xbox one PS4 and Wii U era. I cannot play this older games from the mid 2000 era since they all became million dollars collectors items. Many say that that was the last good gaming era but didnt grew up with. Also starting collecting them befor the prices skyrocket on Ebay but need to be on a lookout from the dreaded cartridge rot and disc rot.
The best price is $0. Save your money people, this tat isn't worth your financial future. Play roms for free and enjoy a fatter wallet.
Thanks, Shrek
@@TheMatrixMaverickXLOL
what is normal?
will I ever buy a BMW 507 for 13250€ again? thats the price it did cost and now its 2100000€
supply and demand does control the price.
we can slow down the demand by not creating any hype around valuable games anymore but nothing more to do.
If the gamcube 2 drops and makes the orignal obselete and worthless that the ppl holding onto their ewaste start selling them for peanuts again
IF & only IF people will stop paying for these "crazy prices" on retro games!...but they wont!...just makes too much sense!..if common sense was common everyone would have it!🤷♂️
Honestly I don’t think retro game prices are that bad. Sure some series like Pokemon and older RPGs are astronomically over priced but the vast majority of quality games can be purchased for under $40. Sure they aren’t as cheap as they used to be but that’s the price you pay when a hobby becomes much more mainstream. I collected a ton prior to 2020 so I was lucky to not have to pay the absurd prices for most games but I still do pick up things from time to time and haven’t noticed much of a difference in price. For the most part, the previously expensive games have ballooned while the vast majority of games either stayed relatively the same or jumped up $15-25. I think my least favorite part of this isn’t necessarily game prices going up, but the hobby being about money now. I remember growing up there was a used game store near me called Play N Trade and me and my brother would go in there every day after school since it was near our elementary school. The gimmick of the store was they let you play games before you buy them in store so we would just sit in the store playing games for like an hour or two every now and again. Since we had a Wii and ds at the time, I got lots of gamecube/gba games since they were cheaper than the current gen games (my best deal was Pokémon colosseum with the bonus disc as a little extra for $15) They closed in 2015, a little after I got into collecting. I wish stores like Play N Trade were still around so we can share the love of gaming, even if you can’t afford it!
Thanks for sharing. I think this sounds incredibly nice and if a store like that was still around, it’d be great for many old and new customers. I know what you mean, a lot of games can be purchased for under $40, even if it’s not cheap, it’s still doable. I hope prices continue trending downwards, although, some only keep rising (as of now).
'Prices' are up because the money is worth less. This is what happens when government spends money it doesn't have. Inflation is real, and everything is effected.
Scarcity is a lack of abundance. These games aren't produced anymore, so they become scarce. Money is 'printed' digitally every single day, every time you deposit money into a FDIC insured bank. The system is the problem.
"Not a very accessible hobby"? What games are you trying to get? There are many really good, celebrated games that are cheap. Expecting grail type games or popular high demand IPs for 20$ is unrealistic. If youre collecting cards and want a jordan rookie you have to pay up. Why should video games be any different?
It's so weird how you say unfortunately the prices went up. For anyone who owns the game, the price going up is good.
@@vito most of us didn't go into collecting with the idea that it would be worth a lot someday. I think most collectors want to be able to buy the stuff they like without having to pay these insane prices
Like other collecting areas, it will crash when the speculators and investors out number the true collectors. That’s what happened in the 90s.
No
niche / ultra popular games are a bad example of the overall market and most games are well past peak. Collecting is a luxury hobby for those with disposable income and any economic downturn is going to see a fire sale à la 2008-9 if people cant pay their bills.
We are also in an early era of FPGA, advanced handhelds, and a really healthy console mod / flash cart community, reproductions, and not to mention a ton of re-releases + virtual console.
The current market is really only standing on hype and nostalgia from social media with strong economic conditions.
The market price is the normal price.
I guess I should also bring up “what is expensive?” This is a relative thing. Relative to pre-2020 prices yes things are much higher on games, but also on everything. In fact everything else is 2x 2019 prices on average. So games are only outliers if they exceed 2x. But that’s only relative to the past. $70 is what video games cost today. That’s the same price some N64 games I got in the 90s. Some people make
I'm sorry but this video is absurd. Even in your original thesis statement you mention that your current collection of 44 games cost you $1,000. Is an average cost of $22 per game really breaking the bank for a hobby? This idea that retro game collecting is overpriced is completely blown out of proportion, and you yourself admit that you haven't paid any attention to the market until it blew up during the pandemic.
I absolutely agree. Retro gaming as a whole has gotten a little pricier but it isn’t unattainable to have a good collection of games for cheap. The vast majority of games only slightly went up in price with popular franchises like Pokemon and already expensive games being the ones that went up (of course you had your random rare games like chibi robo rise as well) Look at a game like FFIX, a praised and celebrated game that only went up like $10. It’s not impossible to build a collection of great games on the cheaper side. Even when it comes to finding Pokemon games it’s not impossible to find them for a good price. Last year, I found a CIB White 2 for $80 at a GameStop in Arizona when visiting family. Passed on it bc I already have it and don’t need another. Plus, even if you don’t want to get them in person, bidding for them on eBay or making offers on Mercari is a great way to pick up games. I think my best deal was persona 2 innocent sin for psp for $100 and this was around a year and a half ago.
He clearly stated that the collection consisted of mostly cheap games with only a few expensive ones. I don't think he's claiming that everything is a hundred dollar game. I think he's pointing towards an overall increase in price for many older games across multiple consoles
Yeah it's affordable if you like playing enter the matrix, sports games, and cheap clunky racing games...
I found Xenosaga ep 1 at Vintage stock for 30 bucks literally like late last year and I'm seeing copies online go as far up to 100 bucks... if you got EP 1 & 2 like I did for around 60 bucks total and finish those and wanna play EP 3? Guess what? Good luck on touching Xenosaga episode 3 for less than 200 bucks..
I also slept on Silent hill Series, I've always heard great things about as a teenager but never got the chance to get one, now in my early 20s I'm interested in playing these games, guess what? Good luck touching a copy of Silent Hill 2 for 200 bucks or less.
I don't think you truly understand what they were even trying to get at in the video, much less the statistics they literally showed in the video.
@@Blob-jx3fg many, many games have kept up with the rate of inflation or are beating it, to say otherwise is just a lie or focuses solely on key outliers whose price is inflated for some other circumstance. The current trend has been downward for prices post-pandemic across the board, and the hobby is still largely accessible aside from those longing for the unrealistic prices of the early 2010s. There’s more people in the hobby now, thus more demand thus higher pricing.
@@RealRedHerring i don't think you can claim that it's only a few outliers. Inflation is one thing but the sheer amount of games that aren't accessible on modern systems and are sold for high amounts is astounding. Even current stuff becomes absurdly expensive the second it goes out of print
GameCube, PS2 and Wii aren't retro!!! Does this guy even know what he's talking about???
My man, these are nearly 20 years old, they're pretty retro now
The premise is already flawed as it supposes that there is a a state of normalcy that both existed at some point and can be pinpointed However even a second of critical thought regarding what the items we are talking about actually are reveals that such a thing could never exist in the first place as they are luxury goods bought and enjoyed as collectible items. It is hypocritical to assume that just because you think prices are high that they are actually inflated. It is also arbitrary and a useless critique. If you compare retro games (collecting) to other hobbies it is actually extremely affordable and while the popular stuff is obviously going to be more expensive, a large portion of all games can be bought for 20 bucks or less.
You can't deny that collecting older games has become substantially harder and more expensive. Everyone on eBay wants top dollar for their old stuff regardless of what condition it's in. Old games used to just be old games for the average person looking to get rid of stuff. Now everything thats no longer in print is considered rare and collectible.
@@Blob-jx3fg That is a subjective claim. The hobby has become more popular in certain ways yes. But this interest has mainly condensed itself into (currently) popular games. More obscure systems or games have not particularly appreciated. And people asking top dollar for something never affects market prices. If anything, the more people are selling items, no matter the goal, the lower prices are. Granted the increase in activity on the market would cause an increase in value but so what. If you look at what the 'value' of games should be, you can easily make the argument that new prices * inflation/appreciation should be that number, which would make the median price significantly higher on most stuff than it currently is.
@@trevor245 i don't agree with your rationale on how the market has remain unchanged. Have you seen the market for something like switch games?? Games like bayonetta 2, the yomawari games, the atelier ryza games, xenoblade 2 and others all became expensive when they went out of print. There was a slight dip in the market when they received a small reprint from vgp and nisamerica but the average person might not know of these cycles and probably caved into eBay prices. I think the amount of artificial rarity caused by resellers and the practices of companies pitching limited availability has caused an awful cycle that has infected the entire gaming hobby. I don't think pointing to a cheap game like m&m kart racing on the ds disproved the thesis of this video.
@@Blob-jx3fg I never claimed the market has remained unchanged? Your argument is on something entirely different from retro video games and that is artificial scarcity (not artificial rarity from resellers, that statement is inherently contradictory). FOMO marketing is all the rage currently. People buying up product to resell happens but that is not artificial scarcity, that is just straight up scarcity. I disagree with the whole principle of claiming that currently prices for retro games, the subject of discussion, are abnormal simply because it implies that there is a normal price which is nonsense.
@@trevor245 is there a price point which would make you admit that it's a problem? If xenosaga ep 3, xenogears and chrono trigger became $1000 games would you maintain your position that there's nothing wrong? I get what you're saying about artificial rarity but at a certain point it doesn't matter if the game is actually rare if buyers have nowhere to turn to when prices are the same on eBay, at conventions or at a game store. Heck, even goodwill has become aggressively involved in the reseller market.
Bro’s inflection and pacing sometimes sounds like he is an AI voiceover.
Is this a trend we should be concerned about with younger generations hearing so much AI VO as they grow up?
Regardless, good look at how things have been changing in the retro gaming space over the past few years. I regret selling so many of my GameCube games as a kid; who would have known that some games would balloon up to 10x in price. Sigh.
Then you go create a better video than criticize. For a channel with under 1K, he had lighting, audio, and story telling down. Go ride a Harley, Jacob.
@ I thought it was a great video, his delivery just seemed odd to me.
And I’m not a RUclips creator so I don’t make videos like this, but I am a professional sound designer and millions of people hear my work every day.
Didn’t mean to offend, I am just more sensitive to sound than most people so I was noting what I was hearing.
Have a good evening, Maverick!