On the case of Hisuian Growlithe, I’d think of it to be like how dogs were tamed and bred to be more amenable to people, thus removing the niche that the untamed variant fell into.
damn Hisuian Growlithe is a throwback to when i had long bangs lmao that was a horrible phase cuz it looked crap even tho i liked having my bangs so long xD my hair dont look good in any way other then short . im cursed to have short hair when i prefer floofy swoopy ones lmao
Concerning Wyrdeer: The old English term "wyrd" refers to having the ability to control fate. As far as Pokémon naming goes, things like this are rarely coincidental.
So wyrdeer has three meanings of its name. A fate controling deer, and a wierd deer. But the first one i think is the most acurate because of the psychic type
since we see basculin in unova and no basculin in dpp, we can do a little leap and assume that the reason basculegion is not a thing is simply because the geography of hisui changed making it not suitable, then basculin fixated themselves in the unova region in which the upstreams are not as violent so most basculin survive which results in no evolution
@@TrueLadyEvilChan i imagine evolving it by having 5 fainted basculin and when it reaches a certain level it'll evolve and all the other basculin disappears
I think its important to note for Wyrdeer, Stantler are partially native in Sinnoh, but only through the Pokeradar. It's obvious that Stantler is a lot more secluded than they used to be in Hisui. Even in other regions. They are very rare to encounter, being only in one or two routes whenever you can find them. I dont think Wyrdeer are extinct, but more in a "Magikarp Paradox", where people in the modern time don't tend to use it due to it being weaker than other pokemon, as well as them becoming rarer in the region that allows them to evolve, resulting in very few existing in modern times. Its stated that Wyrdeer are the heads of their herd, so it could be assumed that, as a retcon, the pokeradar could only find Stantler from that herd, and not Wyrdeer.
Well the Narrator describes the evolution to Wyrdeer as a evolution just to survive the harsh climate of Hisui, and the Sinnoh of today may not be as harsh as it was back then so there may be no need for them to evolve and in the process forgetting the evolution process entirely.
Not so much extinct as more that they no longer live in the region. Growlithe now live further south of the mountain range, Braviary now live in Unova and Alola which is nowhere near Sinnoh, Basculin now live in Unova and aren't dying as often so that specific evolution never materialized, and Stantler are endangered and Sinnoh has changed greatly. These pokemon didn't go extinct because their pre-evolutions and overall species are still around. These evolutions were just dropped for a variety of reasons similar to why the pokemon world didn't see Mamoswine, Yanmega, and Tangrowth for a very long time until ancient power was reintroduced.
@@andresmarrero8666 but likely if modern day stantler and basculin could learn ancient power: it could be enough for them to awaken the genes of their ancestors that where able to evolve into them
@@bulborb8756 those genes are already there and I fail to see how ancient power has anything to do with possession by your old comrades in a benevolent way or a past environmental state of a region. Ancient power is not a catch all solution.
@@stephaniecronin2056 it's just a statement they made, nothing to fret over. Plus, some people may have forgotten there's two forms. Basculin is not known for being memorable.
HE DO BE THE GOODEST BOI THO Growlithe is my favorite kanto Pokemon and I was so sad when the alolan arcanine variant was fake. Fire/rock isn't looking very good but I hope the arcanine form atleast looks amazing. I can tell they are going more in the Chinese lion dog route with it's design hence the references to guarding buildings and the rock type.
"Amazing" is probably a bit of a stretch. You might like it, but I personally do not. You can see Hsunian Arcanine now with the game still nine days out from release.
Ok for the basculegion thing. In modern days they’re found primarily in unova. And whatever made them evolve was back in sinnoh. So they just can’t evolve anymore. So that one is just migration.
Great, not getting to keep all these ugly things in a terrible Pokemong ame, they have to transfer to the actual good Pokemon games and be used in battle too? No, no,NO! At least BDSP can pass through without affecting things, the only problem with that game is not being innovative enough the way ORAS was, but THIS? You're telling me Pokemon is permanently damaged because I'm going to have to see that disgusting pink genie? Look, I love the color pink, Valentine's Day is amazing, romance is awesome, top-tier holiday celebrating it...but that THING is still atrocious. And not only that, we have to see that bleedin' Arcannine, power-down Typhlosion, terrible Electrode, trashy Kleator, and so much else? You're basically teling me Pokemin is RUINED. Thanks for that. I'm still going to cross my fingers that these Pokemon will stay int his game and never see the light of day. Even the good ones aren't necessary, like Cerumon Palkia and alter-babe Lilligant. Lilligant is already a babe. Although I will say I dislike Palkia so at least it got a good design at last. But the difference between me disliking Palkia and all the stuff they've done to Avalugg and Ursaring and everything else inthis game is, there aARE Sinnoh Pokemon worthy oflove, and Dialgia is pretty neat. This though, the ONE SELLING POINT OF THIS GAME IS ATROCIOUS OR LAME LOOKING pOKEMON. yIPES, YIPES, YIPES. a FRANCHISE THAT HAS BEEN GOOD FOR THIS LONG, RUINED, AT LEAST IF YOU ARE CORRECT, BY SOMETHIGN THAT THEY do not need to continue with.
Native Basculin and Braviary could've easily died out, but it's likely the other regional variants just lost their adaptations due to becoming more domesticated.
@@bulborb8756 The same thing we can say about Zigzagoon line and the Galarian form line that can evolve in Obstagoon and the original can't cause the original have environmental conditions more calm than the competitive of Galar. That's the fact, this new pokémon in the lore are extinct... the only way to revive them is using fossils if those exist
And then when you bring it over in Home, it's probably saying something about messing with space and time, like the info summary you get when bringing over Go Pokemon over to Let's Go.
Hisuian Growlithe was domesticated and lost its stony fur, Basculin is overfished in modern times and can't accumulate souls, and Braviary's migratory land was developed, halting their migration.
I feel like Hisui/the Legends Arceus story is a story about how humans selfishly changed things under the misconception that they were getting along with Pokémon. Team Galactic's purpose???
I think Basculegion is actually not extinct but extremely rare, because basculin have become physically stronger with every game pokedex entry it seems to me there is no real sinareo for it to evolve into Basculegion anymore
Imagine if the one last Basculegion lurks somewhere deep in the ocean, so powerful from the compounding deaths of every Basculin that it's gigantic and unkillable?
I'm sure they'll make it so that the pokemon just had to learn Ancient Power (or some related move) and level up so they can be used in the main games. Though that's for the evolutions, idk what they'll do for the ones that are actually Hisuian, but I do like the idea that Braviary could have simply migrated away, and maybe the Hisuian form was hidden away in some ancient cavern recently discovered to be used in main line games
Here is a less complicated theory: Growthe and braviary evolved, climate change makes stantler unable to evolve, and Big fish is the same as stantler evolution or something
Dogs: Man's best friend Deer: Scared to death of humans Hisuian Growlithe: Don't trust humans at all Wyrdeer: Best friend to humans and is used like a horse
I keep telling everyone the concept of these pokemon going extinct due to changes in the region over time would be an interesting idea and would make these games all the more unique
Yeah and these Pokémon also make sense with previously establish Sinnoh Lore. In the library it speaks of returning dead fish Pokémon to the streams to allow them to come back, or a Pokémon that sheds its insulated fur.
The idea of these old Pokémon are to represent old Youkai legends The moment people understood what youkais really are, the legends started to dissapear This is probably what happened, the moment people understood what Pokémon were, they became different
I think that the Hisuian Growlithe is based on the story of the irl Hokkaido Wolf, which went extinct when this game takes place. The Hokkaido Wolf was also to live singularly or in couples, and a subspecies of the gray wolf.
Here's what I think for the different Hisuian Forms: Growlithe: Domesticated, possibly, or at least it possibly has to compete with the domesticated Growlithe, some of which may have been released into the wild with heightened hunting ability. Notably, Growlithe only appears in Sinnoh through the Dongle method with FireRed, so these Growlithe probably aren't well adapted to the environment themselves, just to hunting and eventually both species became pretty much extinct in Sinnoh. Wyrdeer: Really not sure. If it's so strongly tied to humans, I doubt they'd let it go extinct, though obviously that isn't necessarily the case. They're an evolution of Stantler which still exists, though not as a regional form. That said, while Pokemon Sword and Shield introduced evolutions to Pokemon only if they themselves got regional variants, I don't see why this has to be the case here. If so, Stantler probably just lost their ability to evolve, my guess would be that the Sinnoh region got to hot and the mentioned cold protection of the fur became a detriment. Braviary: Fully agree on this one. Another climate change issue, Braviary probably stopped coming to Sinnoh as it got too hot. Given that they migrated south to Sinnoh, I think that it's fair to say that they have strict temperature requirements, since Sinnoh itself might not be much warmer than where they're coming from. Any change to Sinnoh's climate might force them to move elsewhere. Basculin: Here, my guess is that Sinnoh is simply too inhospitable for Basculin to survive for long in. For one reason or another, enough Basculin die in Sinnoh that their souls power up the ones left. It seems logical that, if this happens long enough, all of the Basculin might die eventually.
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 Maybe the presence of Gyarados, you know... that DAMN beast has territorial wars also in other regions alike on Alola fighting Wishiwashi. So, is possible that Gyarados in the years had a numerous population inside the region and Basculin/Basculegion can't live in anymore and constrict to migrate on another region like Unova and the next generation of the species lost the ability to evolve in Basculegion cause they can live without battling for territories.
but sinnoh has snow everywhere id even call it one of the coldest regions idk it just doesnt make that much sense plus why didnt the stantler just go to other cold climates
"This pokemon has been treasured since long ago by the people of this region, whom it is indispensable" "And garments with the fur shed from it's beard, tail and legs are highly prized for their top-notch protection against cold" Man, this sure reminds me of a real animal that was NEARLY HUNTED TO EXTINCTION BY COLONIZERS IN LESS THAN A CENTURY
@@jenerix5257 American Bison, there used to be tens of millions of them, then colonizers came and in a century they nearly hunted them to extinction, with only 24 left, it was only through decades of conservation efforts that they recovered, and they are nowhere near as numerous as they used to be
Given Pokemon maps are often analogous to ours, and so are the pokemon/animals. Hisuian Braviary is clearly based on Stellar's Sea Eagle, which visit Hokkaido in the winter after traveling in from Russia. So Hissiuan Braviary probably just lives in the pokemon equivalent to Russia.
Id love the gamr developers to put a silly excuse to you being ableto trade pokemon from hisui to galar like a time traveller trading your mon to the future
I like to think that because we haven't even seen normal Basculin in modern Sinnoh, and Basculegion is a ghost that gets stronger every time his comrades die, their numbers got scarce, and slowly, by being defeated or other means, All Basculin and almost All Basculegion died off, however, somewhere in Sinnoh there is this giant-legendary-like Basculegion. Sorry for my bad english.
Here's a thought...... How will these past Pokémon be introduced into the anime since ash and goh can't time travel? Unless Goh catches celebi..... Oh no..... Goh's going to catch a celebi isn't he?
According to Archeologist, after thousands of years due to tectonic movements some of hisui region became sinnoh, while the ones that drift away will become the ground work of gen 9
My first thouhts about these four pokemon were: why aren't the in Sinoh? I think Wyrdeer has gone extinct because humans would have hunted them down for the fur, reducing their population until the stantlers refused to evolve, until they lost that habilty, causing wyrdeer's extinction. As for basculegion, it was probably the fact that very few basculins survived and evolved, causing them to go extinct in Hisui, the few survivors might have gone to the sea and reached Unova (which can also be the case for braviary, they migrated to Unova and became the current unova braviery).
WYRDEER AND BASCULEGION: Pokemon species might forget a move that is necessary to evolve, just like piloswine don't evolve into mamoswine in Johto, because the pokemon population living there don't know ancient power. Or maybe they need a special item (and people of shinnoh forget how to craft it) OR maybe a ceremony?
I would say Basculegion is extinct for a few reasons. 1 no Basculine exist in modern Sinnoh. 2) Basculine are highly targeted Pokémon by Fishers for their taste and the sheer amount of them. It could be that in Sinnoh they were over fished to extinction and no modern Basculegion exist because the pre-evolution is constantly targeted
3:13 people used to hunt Stantlers almost to extinction because of their antlers. That's at least what Johto Pokédex states but it surely didn't happen in Johto only. The last part of it's dex in 3:13 suggests people were hunting Wyrdeer as well because of it's beard....
Hisuian Growlith is basically just a different breed of growlith so while the breed may be extinct it would be fairly easy to bring back or it may not be extinct at all but just be rare like glen of imaal terriers which are a rare (yet the best) dog breed (they also look like Hisuian growlith) also we can assume basculegion isnt extinct since basculin is gen 5 so we could assume they migrated to Unova or the sinnoh population died out either way the Unova waters may be calmer and easier to swim in there fore less death so bascuilin didnt evolve
If Wyrdeer is an evolution of Stantler, couldn't the evolution itself have simply become an irrelevant gene as the Sinnoh region evolved? Could it be possible that Wyrdeer simply had too big and cumbersome a form to exist comfortably in an independant human world now covered in bikes, cities and cars, thereby reducing Stantler to a single stage Pokemon?
My List: -Basculion (10/10, perfect mon) -Wrydeer (9/10, it’s amazing, not a sickass lore but still amazing) -Braveary (7.5/10, yes it’s cool but normal formie is cooler and I’m worried it’s gonna be bad) -growlithe (7/10, average)
Also in the case of Wyrdeer it may be extinct because stantler were hunted near extinction. Since stantler want to try repopulate, they rather live in forests where the weather isnt so extreme and cold. Thats why the only place its found at in the original sinnoh games was in route 207. A much more proper place for a pokemon who cant handle extreme weather without its evolution to repopulate safely
I can easily see Wyrdeer becoming an ice stone/icy rock evolution like glaceon. Basculegion could have a unique evolution mechanic, like the opposite of nincada, where you need to have fainted basculin in the party for it to evolve. The others I feel, would have to be evolved in specific areas, like Mt coronet, as it’s always had special properties
actually, I think its Basculegion does not happen anymore is because Basculin grew stronger swimmers so they did not die upstream thus making no need for it to evolve
They’re extinct right now. But they’re not about to be. With home compatibility, we’re going to be catching and breeding TONS of these “extinct” mons. And they’re going to travel across time and space to go to Pokémon home. So essentially we’re going back in time and are saving these mons from extinction. Kinda how in gen 1 aerodactyl was extinct. But we revived them and bred them, etc. to the point today where they’re found in the wild.
I imagine Hisuian Growlithe went extinct because too many spritz'd it with water in an effort to tame it. With ×4 weakness to water it's no doubt these good boys died out.
I like how the Hisuian Braviary say they're originally from "somewhere north" as A: since Unova has its ocean to the south, Hisui, or rather Sinnoh, is an island somewhere to the south of Unova, or B: It's another region for later. If Sinnoh and Unova were close enough to fly, it would make sense why there are Bassculin, as the two regions could either share some fish Pokémon or the Bassculin could've migrated North over time. And also why, of all the champions, Sinnoh's was away from her region in Unova. Edit: also calling how sick it would be if in the next gen pokemon, having 5 fainted Bassculin and a 6th healthy one caused it to evolve into Bassculegion with each stat being a slightly above average of each combined Bassculin's stat, and deleted the fainted Bassculin.
Basculegion is unseen because all of them died and fused over time into their third evolution. There is only one, probably eternal, really secluded one left. Makes for an epic Legendary background. There is no spiritual connection/a much weaker one in Unova so that's why they just stay normal.
Hisuian Growlithe is based my favorite mythical creature and its Evolution could be the one that could take over Volcarona as my favorite fire type of all time
Knowing pokemon I feel like they'll have future generations have an area like they have for pandas to protect them due to being severely endangered or something.
The key thing to remember about Basculegion is that it is technically not a ghost but is instead possessed by the basculin that died… meaning it is most likely the Pokémon is extinct because while despite being ghost type, it is likely not actually a ghost.
Considering we see on the Hisui map a large piece of icy land leading off to the upper left and so far most of these new regional variants are cold weather adapted it is more likely they will simply be stated to have migrated to other regions as the climate in Hisui became less habitable for them as it turned into Sinnoh and in the future they will be renamed as regional variants of a new region with all of this having happened before said icy land mass disappeared as it would have been their path off of Hisui.
It makes sense why they would be.For example spiders back then used to be as big as cars if not bigger due to the environment and air . These guys might’ve died out from the change in the oceans and land or some other reason like an apex predator
It should be noted that Braviary probably isn't native to Sinnoh and the evolution might be due to that ancient power that exists in Sinnoh... the magic power that no longer exists...
Basculin theory :) Basculin, in terms of stats, is incredibly weak. Despite this, basculin are one of the most aggressive pokemon out there. Could it be possible that the basculin intentionally get into fights they can't win? That way the school can become basculegion? We know that there are no consequences for the dead basculin, they quite literally possess the last one standing, and "live on" that way. Pokemon trainers then became the mainstream, separating basculin schools from themselves and becoming unable to evolve because there are no longer any basculin schools big enough to haunt any would be sole survivor.
Wouldn't be surprised if some of the hisuian forms were exported to foreign regions and thrived there, still having these forms in existence elsewhere in the pokemon world. Possibly even with plans (maybe by ramanas park?) to reintroduce those native pokemon back to their home region.
i hope there's more hisuian forms/evolutions we haven't seen yet. imagine if there's a pokedex task/quest like "Find out: Can Pachirisu evolve?" obviously everyone will be like, pftt, no it can't stupid.... but then it DOES
Basculegion might still be a thing, it just that Basculin don't die as often as they use to. So by proxy, Basculegion isn't extinct, its sealed since the dead spirits of Basculin arent as prominent as they were in The Hisui era. So if Basculin were start having more death, we would see Basculegion in the present.
My guess is that swimming upstream is an unsustainable practice for the Basculin, as too many of them die in the process. As such, the Basculins and Basculegions of Hisui slowly died off as their reproduction rate wasn't fast enough to compensate for the deaths that occur in the rivers
Basculegion is easy to "became extinct". Basculin don't exist in Shinnoh, so they cannot became Basculegion. And in Unova (and the other regions after) they cannot suffer the same... ambiental pressure... to became Basculegion. So.... Basculin became extinct in Shinnoh, causing the "extinction" of Basculegion.
Wyrdeer, Braviary & Basculegion are evolutions of mons that exist in modern times. If they're extinct, they're extinct in the same way as Mamoswine and Yanmega.
I think its more that H. Growlithe is to Wolf, what Growlithe is to dog. Extinct yes, but not because it failed to adapt, but that it did in fact adapt. Becoming more domesticated and trusting. Shedding it's rocky exterior.
I'd say divergent evolution (from other regional forms in a pre-pre-modern time) made these pokemon evolve into Hisuian forms in the first place. And not that these forms were the precursors to the modern form. This could hold true until a original Sinnoh Pokemon gets a Hisuian form, in which case it dropped being Hisuian from altogether. OR until another region gets a pre-modern game where they show the same Pokemon in the Hisuian form which is super unlikely.
On the case of Hisuian Growlithe, I’d think of it to be like how dogs were tamed and bred to be more amenable to people, thus removing the niche that the untamed variant fell into.
Yeah, I think that’s the most likely. I mentioned it, but should’ve gone with that for the definitional answer. Still floofy, though.
damn Hisuian Growlithe is a throwback to when i had long bangs lmao that was a horrible phase cuz it looked crap even tho i liked having my bangs so long xD
my hair dont look good in any way other then short . im cursed to have short hair when i prefer floofy swoopy ones lmao
It’s just like real life
Wolfs aka dogs weren’t a thing with humans
But when time went on-
They became closer to peeps-
Just like hisuian growlithe-
@Croissant Gamer tamed, domesticated, same difference really
Or maybe it could've also been out competed by houndour when they introduced it to Sinnoh.
Concerning Wyrdeer: The old English term "wyrd" refers to having the ability to control fate. As far as Pokémon naming goes, things like this are rarely coincidental.
So wyrdeer has three meanings of its name. A fate controling deer, and a wierd deer. But the first one i think is the most acurate because of the psychic type
@@windsmith4048 What's the other meaning? You currently have only two meanings.
@@ToonMageChannel Kiiiiinda wyrd
@@ToonMageChannel oops! I forgot to fix that. But since im hear it's also a weird wyrd deer with a beard
Rather fitting as it's basically an "awakened" stantler that has taken it's mesmerizing/disorientation abilities to a greater level
"In Pokemon, being extinct is a minor inconvenience." That's such a badass statement.
It's true. With fossil resurrection and time travel, things don't stay extinct for long.
Yeah I thought so too
Just like the marvel comics, one comic captain America is dead, the next he is a zombie and then he gets resurrected
"What if Extinction didn't have to be forever"
*Blares Prehistoric park Theme*
@@kennethsatria6607 **Plays Jurassic Park Theme as well**
“Big fish pokemon”
Best description ever
"Mega Fire Pig Pokemon" is the best description actually
@@Luniel11 “Water Fish” Pokémon is even better
You know, for Wooper and Quagsire
"Strong Legs Pokèemon"
@@itsturniptime3699 "Water fish"
@@Luniel11 I love Emboar :-:
since we see basculin in unova and no basculin in dpp, we can do a little leap and assume that the reason basculegion is not a thing is simply because the geography of hisui changed making it not suitable, then basculin fixated themselves in the unova region in which the upstreams are not as violent so most basculin survive which results in no evolution
So the answer is too use them too grind.
No maybe it's to put them back in sinnoh
Have a team of 6 Basculin and kill off the other 5. If it doesnt work, catch 5 more and kill them off. Rinse and repeat.
@@FrauZehel that's some school ground rumor action, I love it!
@@mechatengu7368 Can you imagine since we get pokedex entries now. "Make 5 basculin in party die with a sixth survivor" with a check mark on it XD
Everyone who said Basculine was just a forgettable fish and would be better as food than on a team looking pretty shook rn
Although the games do state they apparently taste fairly good
@@itsturniptime3699 Gonna eat 5 Basculin to kill them and buff up my Basculegion.
Idk man Basculegion still do be lookin tasty
@@Feral174 Eat Basculin to make a Basculegion, Eat said Basculegion, Profit.
@@TrueLadyEvilChan i imagine evolving it by having 5 fainted basculin and when it reaches a certain level it'll evolve and all the other basculin disappears
I think its important to note for Wyrdeer, Stantler are partially native in Sinnoh, but only through the Pokeradar.
It's obvious that Stantler is a lot more secluded than they used to be in Hisui. Even in other regions. They are very rare to encounter, being only in one or two routes whenever you can find them.
I dont think Wyrdeer are extinct, but more in a "Magikarp Paradox", where people in the modern time don't tend to use it due to it being weaker than other pokemon, as well as them becoming rarer in the region that allows them to evolve, resulting in very few existing in modern times. Its stated that Wyrdeer are the heads of their herd, so it could be assumed that, as a retcon, the pokeradar could only find Stantler from that herd, and not Wyrdeer.
Well the Narrator describes the evolution to Wyrdeer as a evolution just to survive the harsh climate of Hisui, and the Sinnoh of today may not be as harsh as it was back then so there may be no need for them to evolve and in the process forgetting the evolution process entirely.
@@edwarddanza5468 right that's my expectation as well
And Growlithe straight up isn't in base DPPT. Have to insert Firered to get them.
Xd
@@edwarddanza5468 So basically a Mammoswine explanation?
Not so much extinct as more that they no longer live in the region. Growlithe now live further south of the mountain range, Braviary now live in Unova and Alola which is nowhere near Sinnoh, Basculin now live in Unova and aren't dying as often so that specific evolution never materialized, and Stantler are endangered and Sinnoh has changed greatly. These pokemon didn't go extinct because their pre-evolutions and overall species are still around. These evolutions were just dropped for a variety of reasons similar to why the pokemon world didn't see Mamoswine, Yanmega, and Tangrowth for a very long time until ancient power was reintroduced.
So these forms specifically have probably lingered around in other places and we genuinely have no idea where they went
@@noathern or they dropped by they were dropped by the pokemon. One of the two.
@@andresmarrero8666 but likely if modern day stantler and basculin could learn ancient power: it could be enough for them to awaken the genes of their ancestors that where able to evolve into them
@@bulborb8756 those genes are already there and I fail to see how ancient power has anything to do with possession by your old comrades in a benevolent way or a past environmental state of a region. Ancient power is not a catch all solution.
“Extinct” in the sense that the *environmental conditions* that facilitate the occurrence of these forms and evolutions don’t exist anymore.
meaning that the forms are extinct?
Yeah, I really should have used the terms “adapted” or “evolved” more.
@@GatorEX Pokémon in legends arkoos have been confirmed that they will be able to be transferred to Pokémon home so they will still be alive!!!
@@Buby39
>arkoos
*MandJTV intensifies*
I bet this is only the red variant. We’ll have a blue and red Basculegion to choose from
@@stephaniecronin2056 He's kinda right, cuh
That’d be cool.
@@stephaniecronin2056 don't be an ass
@@stephaniecronin2056 It's funny that you're putting words in people's mouths.
@@stephaniecronin2056 it's just a statement they made, nothing to fret over. Plus, some people may have forgotten there's two forms. Basculin is not known for being memorable.
HE DO BE THE GOODEST BOI THO
Growlithe is my favorite kanto Pokemon and I was so sad when the alolan arcanine variant was fake. Fire/rock isn't looking very good but I hope the arcanine form atleast looks amazing. I can tell they are going more in the Chinese lion dog route with it's design hence the references to guarding buildings and the rock type.
I legit thought Alolan Growlithe was real, I probably got like an hour and a half into the game planning on using that as my water type
Bro holy shit I was so sad when water growlithe was revealed to be fake, gills and fins would look so cool on it
"Amazing" is probably a bit of a stretch. You might like it, but I personally do not. You can see Hsunian Arcanine now with the game still nine days out from release.
Ok for the basculegion thing. In modern days they’re found primarily in unova. And whatever made them evolve was back in sinnoh. So they just can’t evolve anymore. So that one is just migration.
If that was decades ago then why Dawn is on Arceus I guess that's her Mother , I don't know I'am confused.
@@dinosaurus598 it’s her ancestor. Just like this is the ancestor of professor rowen
@@dinosaurus598 Legends Arceus takes place in real life 1800’s Japan.
@@MagicalBread Alternate Universe?
Nah they have to eat 5 Basculine
Imagine the requirement to evolve Basculin is to have 6 Basculins in your team and having 5 killed/defeated in battle. That’d be sick.
no really?
I could see a DLC tie-in for the Shinnoh remakes that gives you statues for your hidden bases that will allow them to appear the in the underground.
I'd like it more if the game detected if you had legends on your console but hey I don't work for GF so idk
@@haka-katyt7439 Sounds like something someone who works for Gamefreak would say...not gonna lie kinda sus ;D
demake*
I mean with pokémon home there's gonna be some time travel shenanigans about these pokémon.
imagine going fishing after somebody lets go of there basculegion
Well I assume they can only go to BD and SP so at least other regions are mostly safe
Great, not getting to keep all these ugly things in a terrible Pokemong ame, they have to transfer to the actual good Pokemon games and be used in battle too? No, no,NO! At least BDSP can pass through without affecting things, the only problem with that game is not being innovative enough the way ORAS was, but THIS? You're telling me Pokemon is permanently damaged because I'm going to have to see that disgusting pink genie? Look, I love the color pink, Valentine's Day is amazing, romance is awesome, top-tier holiday celebrating it...but that THING is still atrocious. And not only that, we have to see that bleedin' Arcannine, power-down Typhlosion, terrible Electrode, trashy Kleator, and so much else? You're basically teling me Pokemin is RUINED. Thanks for that. I'm still going to cross my fingers that these Pokemon will stay int his game and never see the light of day. Even the good ones aren't necessary, like Cerumon Palkia and alter-babe Lilligant. Lilligant is already a babe. Although I will say I dislike Palkia so at least it got a good design at last.
But the difference between me disliking Palkia and all the stuff they've done to Avalugg and Ursaring and everything else inthis game is, there aARE Sinnoh Pokemon worthy oflove, and Dialgia is pretty neat. This though, the ONE SELLING POINT OF THIS GAME IS ATROCIOUS OR LAME LOOKING pOKEMON. yIPES, YIPES, YIPES. a FRANCHISE THAT HAS BEEN GOOD FOR THIS LONG, RUINED, AT LEAST IF YOU ARE CORRECT, BY SOMETHIGN THAT THEY do not need to continue with.
Native Basculin and Braviary could've easily died out, but it's likely the other regional variants just lost their adaptations due to becoming more domesticated.
but this begs the question if modern day stantler and basculin could still evolve into wyrdeer and basculegion
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The same thing we can say about Zigzagoon line and the Galarian form line that can evolve in Obstagoon and the original can't cause the original have environmental conditions more calm than the competitive of Galar. That's the fact, this new pokémon in the lore are extinct... the only way to revive them is using fossils if those exist
"Bruh, IDK" cracked my up lol
And then when you bring it over in Home, it's probably saying something about messing with space and time, like the info summary you get when bringing over Go Pokemon over to Let's Go.
I would love to bring a Hisuian pokemon to someone in Rowan's lab to get a lore bit about why they don't appear like that anymore.
Hisuian Growlithe was domesticated and lost its stony fur, Basculin is overfished in modern times and can't accumulate souls, and Braviary's migratory land was developed, halting their migration.
I feel like Hisui/the Legends Arceus story is a story about how humans selfishly changed things under the misconception that they were getting along with Pokémon. Team Galactic's purpose???
"Somehow Basculegion returned"
Potentially, if there is a violent enough upstream somewhere in another region, Basculegion could come back
@@officersoulknight6321 or a lot of dead fish
I think Basculegion is actually not extinct but extremely rare, because basculin have become physically stronger with every game pokedex entry it seems to me there is no real sinareo for it to evolve into Basculegion anymore
Imagine if the one last Basculegion lurks somewhere deep in the ocean, so powerful from the compounding deaths of every Basculin that it's gigantic and unkillable?
So a third evolution
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I'm sure they'll make it so that the pokemon just had to learn Ancient Power (or some related move) and level up so they can be used in the main games. Though that's for the evolutions, idk what they'll do for the ones that are actually Hisuian, but I do like the idea that Braviary could have simply migrated away, and maybe the Hisuian form was hidden away in some ancient cavern recently discovered to be used in main line games
Hisuian Growlithe is actually the ancestor of modern Growlithe and rockruff so it was most likely bred into extinction with only it's descendants left
Here is a less complicated theory: Growthe and braviary evolved, climate change makes stantler unable to evolve, and Big fish is the same as stantler evolution or something
Dogs: Man's best friend
Deer: Scared to death of humans
Hisuian Growlithe: Don't trust humans at all
Wyrdeer: Best friend to humans and is used like a horse
Fish: we don't really care about much and are constantly dying
Basculegion:R E A L S H I T
I keep telling everyone the concept of these pokemon going extinct due to changes in the region over time would be an interesting idea and would make these games all the more unique
Yeah and these Pokémon also make sense with previously establish Sinnoh Lore. In the library it speaks of returning dead fish Pokémon to the streams to allow them to come back, or a Pokémon that sheds its insulated fur.
Yeah but gamefreak ain't gonna waste resources on Pokémon then not put them into next games
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Probably through Fossil Restoration.
The idea of these old Pokémon are to represent old Youkai legends
The moment people understood what youkais really are, the legends started to dissapear
This is probably what happened, the moment people understood what Pokémon were, they became different
I think that the Hisuian Growlithe is based on the story of the irl Hokkaido Wolf, which went extinct when this game takes place. The Hokkaido Wolf was also to live singularly or in couples, and a subspecies of the gray wolf.
Here's what I think for the different Hisuian Forms:
Growlithe: Domesticated, possibly, or at least it possibly has to compete with the domesticated Growlithe, some of which may have been released into the wild with heightened hunting ability. Notably, Growlithe only appears in Sinnoh through the Dongle method with FireRed, so these Growlithe probably aren't well adapted to the environment themselves, just to hunting and eventually both species became pretty much extinct in Sinnoh.
Wyrdeer: Really not sure. If it's so strongly tied to humans, I doubt they'd let it go extinct, though obviously that isn't necessarily the case. They're an evolution of Stantler which still exists, though not as a regional form. That said, while Pokemon Sword and Shield introduced evolutions to Pokemon only if they themselves got regional variants, I don't see why this has to be the case here. If so, Stantler probably just lost their ability to evolve, my guess would be that the Sinnoh region got to hot and the mentioned cold protection of the fur became a detriment.
Braviary: Fully agree on this one. Another climate change issue, Braviary probably stopped coming to Sinnoh as it got too hot. Given that they migrated south to Sinnoh, I think that it's fair to say that they have strict temperature requirements, since Sinnoh itself might not be much warmer than where they're coming from. Any change to Sinnoh's climate might force them to move elsewhere.
Basculin: Here, my guess is that Sinnoh is simply too inhospitable for Basculin to survive for long in. For one reason or another, enough Basculin die in Sinnoh that their souls power up the ones left. It seems logical that, if this happens long enough, all of the Basculin might die eventually.
How would Sinnoh get too inhospitable for basculin?
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Maybe the presence of Gyarados, you know... that DAMN beast has territorial wars also in other regions alike on Alola fighting Wishiwashi. So, is possible that Gyarados in the years had a numerous population inside the region and Basculin/Basculegion can't live in anymore and constrict to migrate on another region like Unova and the next generation of the species lost the ability to evolve in Basculegion cause they can live without battling for territories.
@@il3fortunato664 Ah, makes sense, Gyarados is freaking everywhere in Sinnoh
but sinnoh has snow everywhere id even call it one of the coldest regions idk it just doesnt make that much sense plus why didnt the stantler just go to other cold climates
I really like this Braviary
It looks like my country's big bird, the harpy eagle! So I guess I have a excuse to have one safe from extinction x3
"This pokemon has been treasured since long ago by the people of this region, whom it is indispensable"
"And garments with the fur shed from it's beard, tail and legs are highly prized for their top-notch protection against cold"
Man, this sure reminds me of a real animal that was NEARLY HUNTED TO EXTINCTION BY COLONIZERS IN LESS THAN A CENTURY
This is sad because it’s true.
"Nearly"? Which animal are you thinking of? Because I thought of the Great Auk, which was hunted all the way to extinction.
@@jenerix5257 American Bison, there used to be tens of millions of them, then colonizers came and in a century they nearly hunted them to extinction, with only 24 left, it was only through decades of conservation efforts that they recovered, and they are nowhere near as numerous as they used to be
I feel like Basculin realized… “yea it’s dangerous here let’s go elsewhere” and all swam to unova
Given Pokemon maps are often analogous to ours, and so are the pokemon/animals. Hisuian Braviary is clearly based on Stellar's Sea Eagle, which visit Hokkaido in the winter after traveling in from Russia. So Hissiuan Braviary probably just lives in the pokemon equivalent to Russia.
I would argue Hisuian Growlithe was domesticated rather than went extinct
Basculegion is everything I've ever wanted from that line.
Honestly my thoughts was just them evolving and or adapting to be different since the time is so far into the past
Id love the gamr developers to put a silly excuse to you being ableto trade pokemon from hisui to galar like a time traveller trading your mon to the future
I like to think that because we haven't even seen normal Basculin in
modern Sinnoh, and Basculegion is a ghost that gets stronger every time his comrades die, their numbers got scarce, and slowly, by being defeated or other means, All Basculin and almost All Basculegion died off, however, somewhere in Sinnoh there is this giant-legendary-like Basculegion.
Sorry for my bad english.
Here's a thought...... How will these past Pokémon be introduced into the anime since ash and goh can't time travel? Unless Goh catches celebi..... Oh no..... Goh's going to catch a celebi isn't he?
According to Archeologist,
after thousands of years due to tectonic movements some of hisui region became sinnoh, while the ones that drift away will become the ground work of gen 9
My first thouhts about these four pokemon were: why aren't the in Sinoh?
I think Wyrdeer has gone extinct because humans would have hunted them down for the fur, reducing their population until the stantlers refused to evolve, until they lost that habilty, causing wyrdeer's extinction. As for basculegion, it was probably the fact that very few basculins survived and evolved, causing them to go extinct in Hisui, the few survivors might have gone to the sea and reached Unova (which can also be the case for braviary, they migrated to Unova and became the current unova braviery).
I wonder if fossils of some of them could exist later on. Kleavor makes the most sense, since some of its body has already morphed into rock.
WYRDEER AND BASCULEGION:
Pokemon species might forget a move that is necessary to evolve, just like piloswine don't evolve into mamoswine in Johto, because the pokemon population living there don't know ancient power.
Or maybe they need a special item (and people of shinnoh forget how to craft it) OR maybe a ceremony?
Maybe they bring Hoopa into this and Hoopa causes these Pokémon to go to present day and that’s how they explain it away.
Are people forgetting fossils?
Most convenient way for them to bring these old Pokemon to present lore.
Great one more reason to hate Hoopa or fossils, whichever The Pokemon Company decides is a worthwhile aspect to ruin their franchise permanently.
I would say Basculegion is extinct for a few reasons. 1 no Basculine exist in modern Sinnoh. 2) Basculine are highly targeted Pokémon by Fishers for their taste and the sheer amount of them. It could be that in Sinnoh they were over fished to extinction and no modern Basculegion exist because the pre-evolution is constantly targeted
it would be pretty cool to see a postgame story where the player somehow finds a rip in time, letting them in to the current world
I think trainers started sending hisuian growlithe to the groomer and over time their babies were born with more and more well controlled fur
This aged well
3:13 people used to hunt Stantlers almost to extinction because of their antlers. That's at least what Johto Pokédex states but it surely didn't happen in Johto only.
The last part of it's dex in 3:13 suggests people were hunting Wyrdeer as well because of it's beard....
Hisuian Growlith is basically just a different breed of growlith so while the breed may be extinct it would be fairly easy to bring back or it may not be extinct at all but just be rare like glen of imaal terriers which are a rare (yet the best) dog breed (they also look like Hisuian growlith) also we can assume basculegion isnt extinct since basculin is gen 5 so we could assume they migrated to Unova or the sinnoh population died out either way the Unova waters may be calmer and easier to swim in there fore less death so bascuilin didnt evolve
If Wyrdeer is an evolution of Stantler, couldn't the evolution itself have simply become an irrelevant gene as the Sinnoh region evolved? Could it be possible that Wyrdeer simply had too big and cumbersome a form to exist comfortably in an independant human world now covered in bikes, cities and cars, thereby reducing Stantler to a single stage Pokemon?
My List:
-Basculion (10/10, perfect mon)
-Wrydeer (9/10, it’s amazing, not a sickass lore but still amazing)
-Braveary (7.5/10, yes it’s cool but normal formie is cooler and I’m worried it’s gonna be bad)
-growlithe (7/10, average)
I’d Switch Braviary and Wyrdeer but otherwise, good opinions
I love how since sinnoh is the reigion of evolution, they added more pokemon that evolve from different reigions
I think hisuian growlithe is just teh undomesticated version of growlithe- like wolves to dogs
Growlithe will be a friendship evo. Guaranteed
“When it comes to Pokémon, being extinct is like a minor inconvenience” -GatorEX
Weirdly enough, I had a dream that a Basculin had an evolved form and it looked a lot like what's in this video.
Did they have the cloudy wispy soul thingamajigs Basculegion has on its tail?
@@officersoulknight6321 Yes
Also in the case of Wyrdeer it may be extinct because stantler were hunted near extinction. Since stantler want to try repopulate, they rather live in forests where the weather isnt so extreme and cold. Thats why the only place its found at in the original sinnoh games was in route 207. A much more proper place for a pokemon who cant handle extreme weather without its evolution to repopulate safely
I can easily see Wyrdeer becoming an ice stone/icy rock evolution like glaceon. Basculegion could have a unique evolution mechanic, like the opposite of nincada, where you need to have fainted basculin in the party for it to evolve. The others I feel, would have to be evolved in specific areas, like Mt coronet, as it’s always had special properties
actually, I think its Basculegion does not happen anymore is because Basculin grew stronger swimmers so they did not die upstream thus making no need for it to evolve
0:00 i thought you were going to say watchu know about rollin do-
I like how after Growlithe got domesticated it looks more like a wild Pokemon
You know how we evolved wolves into becoming dogs, yeah maybe growlithe just "evolved" into the pure fire type.
maybe trainers carrying Basculins away was enough to break the spiritual bond they all had
They’re extinct right now. But they’re not about to be. With home compatibility, we’re going to be catching and breeding TONS of these “extinct” mons. And they’re going to travel across time and space to go to Pokémon home. So essentially we’re going back in time and are saving these mons from extinction. Kinda how in gen 1 aerodactyl was extinct. But we revived them and bred them, etc. to the point today where they’re found in the wild.
I just love how shortly after this came out we get an amazing episode with a regional form alive and well in the new anime!
Hisuian braviary live alone rather than in flocks?That’s like a death sentence for birds.
Me:ghost type Eevee...ghost type Eevee.
Legends: gives ghost typing to a freaking fish.
Me: -_-
I do like the new Stantler :)
Can we get a poison type called Covivee??
I imagine Hisuian Growlithe went extinct because too many spritz'd it with water in an effort to tame it. With ×4 weakness to water it's no doubt these good boys died out.
I like how the Hisuian Braviary say they're originally from "somewhere north" as A: since Unova has its ocean to the south, Hisui, or rather Sinnoh, is an island somewhere to the south of Unova, or B: It's another region for later.
If Sinnoh and Unova were close enough to fly, it would make sense why there are Bassculin, as the two regions could either share some fish Pokémon or the Bassculin could've migrated North over time. And also why, of all the champions, Sinnoh's was away from her region in Unova.
Edit: also calling how sick it would be if in the next gen pokemon, having 5 fainted Bassculin and a 6th healthy one caused it to evolve into Bassculegion with each stat being a slightly above average of each combined Bassculin's stat, and deleted the fainted Bassculin.
THATS LITERALLY WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW THEM
Oh Stantler. Used to hate it too when I was younger. Really like it now. Favorite forgotten Pokemon.
Basculegion is unseen because all of them died and fused over time into their third evolution. There is only one, probably eternal, really secluded one left. Makes for an epic Legendary background.
There is no spiritual connection/a much weaker one in Unova so that's why they just stay normal.
In ORAS I still remember the rival sayings under the bike bridge that when his/her father was younger more Pokémon species existed
Hisuian Growlithe is based my favorite mythical creature and its Evolution could be the one that could take over Volcarona as my favorite fire type of all time
Knowing pokemon I feel like they'll have future generations have an area like they have for pandas to protect them due to being severely endangered or something.
Either they were hunted to extinction, adapted to evolve into different species, or they died out due to habitat loss.
The key thing to remember about Basculegion is that it is technically not a ghost but is instead possessed by the basculin that died… meaning it is most likely the Pokémon is extinct because while despite being ghost type, it is likely not actually a ghost.
Considering we see on the Hisui map a large piece of icy land leading off to the upper left and so far most of these new regional variants are cold weather adapted it is more likely they will simply be stated to have migrated to other regions as the climate in Hisui became less habitable for them as it turned into Sinnoh and in the future they will be renamed as regional variants of a new region with all of this having happened before said icy land mass disappeared as it would have been their path off of Hisui.
It makes sense why they would be.For example spiders back then used to be as big as cars if not bigger due to the environment and air . These guys might’ve died out from the change in the oceans and land or some other reason like an apex predator
In some dex entries, basculin is eaten by humans, I wonder if that has any sort of correlation
It should be noted that Braviary probably isn't native to Sinnoh and the evolution might be due to that ancient power that exists in Sinnoh... the magic power that no longer exists...
Basculin theory :)
Basculin, in terms of stats, is incredibly weak. Despite this, basculin are one of the most aggressive pokemon out there. Could it be possible that the basculin intentionally get into fights they can't win? That way the school can become basculegion?
We know that there are no consequences for the dead basculin, they quite literally possess the last one standing, and "live on" that way.
Pokemon trainers then became the mainstream, separating basculin schools from themselves and becoming unable to evolve because there are no longer any basculin schools big enough to haunt any would be sole survivor.
Wouldn't be surprised if some of the hisuian forms were exported to foreign regions and thrived there, still having these forms in existence elsewhere in the pokemon world. Possibly even with plans (maybe by ramanas park?) to reintroduce those native pokemon back to their home region.
i hope there's more hisuian forms/evolutions we haven't seen yet. imagine if there's a pokedex task/quest like "Find out: Can Pachirisu evolve?"
obviously everyone will be like, pftt, no it can't stupid.... but then it DOES
Basculegion might still be a thing, it just that Basculin don't die as often as they use to. So by proxy, Basculegion isn't extinct, its sealed since the dead spirits of Basculin arent as prominent as they were in The Hisui era. So if Basculin were start having more death, we would see Basculegion in the present.
My guess is that swimming upstream is an unsustainable practice for the Basculin, as too many of them die in the process. As such, the Basculins and Basculegions of Hisui slowly died off as their reproduction rate wasn't fast enough to compensate for the deaths that occur in the rivers
Personal headcanon is that Growlithes were domesticated to the point where they no longer reflected their original appearence
Basculegion is easy to "became extinct". Basculin don't exist in Shinnoh, so they cannot became Basculegion. And in Unova (and the other regions after) they cannot suffer the same... ambiental pressure... to became Basculegion. So.... Basculin became extinct in Shinnoh, causing the "extinction" of Basculegion.
Wyrdeer, Braviary & Basculegion are evolutions of mons that exist in modern times. If they're extinct, they're extinct in the same way as Mamoswine and Yanmega.
I think this game is probably just a parallel timeline from the games we’ve played. Hoopa and ultra wormholes and all that
Basculegion, ursaluna and growlithe are the only hisuians to have survived when we see Kitakami.
*Hisuian Pokémon are extinct*
Pokémon fossils: Are we a joke to you? 👀
I think its more that H. Growlithe is to Wolf, what Growlithe is to dog. Extinct yes, but not because it failed to adapt, but that it did in fact adapt. Becoming more domesticated and trusting. Shedding it's rocky exterior.
the pokemons probably had a devolution like the dinosaurs to birds.
Good theory I was just thinking this extinction makes sense
basculegion got me hyped as hell 'cause now the pokemon world canonically has fucking gyorg as part of its history.
I always looked at it like the galapagos island. Some island which was so disconnected for so long that evolution took a different route
I'd say divergent evolution (from other regional forms in a pre-pre-modern time) made these pokemon evolve into Hisuian forms in the first place. And not that these forms were the precursors to the modern form.
This could hold true until a original Sinnoh Pokemon gets a Hisuian form, in which case it dropped being Hisuian from altogether. OR until another region gets a pre-modern game where they show the same Pokemon in the Hisuian form which is super unlikely.