I do a lot of skiing and climbing. It is common to pack for the adventure on Friday before work, work on Friday, leave work, drive to my sport destination, and sleep there. Then Saturday morning I can get straight to the recreation. One of the requirements I had for my most recent car purchase was that I had to be able to sleep comfortably in it. That was one of the things that attracted me to the Tesla. I'm still figuring out how to manage all the range considerations, since some of the destinations are quite remote. I'm slowly building confidence as I learn to navigate the charging network and options.
I think another difference with Bjorns model 3 test was that the battery was warm and acted like a heat sink for the heat pump to draw from. That would definitely increase the efficiency.
@@ElectricCanuck that was 100% the big difference. Bjørns battery was toasty warm and the heatpump took much heat energy from the battery first until it reached a lower temperature (4°C?). While that was the case, the car used only very little energy but as soon as it reached the min temperature, it started drawing way more power!
So basically, if you’re gonna do that in these conditions make sure you have around 80% SOC to start else if you have any lower you’ll have the heat shut off when you hit the 20% SOC.
Exactly! And you need to leave space for getting to a supercharger in the morning. This was a pretty worse case scenario. It doesn't get much colder in Toronto.
@OB Or just don't sleep in your car at these temperatures. I can see the appeal in taking your car on a camping trip in summer but what is the point of this? You can't even drive anywhere because you have to be worried about charging first thing in the morning. And for the price of all the electricity you can almost get a cheap hotel room anyway.
@@ramdas363how are you calculating this? Even at an expensive Supercharger (about $0.45 US per KWH) 28.5 kWh is only $12.83. What hotel is that cheap?
👍 Thanks for the video! I think where the Tesla Model Y shines the most for camping is when you can plug the car in to just a regular electrical outlet and trickle charge. In most cases that will net you zero battery gain or loss. Safely heating the car is great. Equally cooling and dehumidifying in hot, humid weather is also awesome. Take care!!! 😊
The energy usage is not that surprising considering the 40 deg.C differential(72 deg.F) and remember that heat pump was not only keeping you warm but the battery as well ! When it's that cold the insulation sounds like a good idea.
I think alot of this like was talked about is the lack of utilizing the heat pump to its full extent, if you just did a good long drive and charged it would have been pulling heat from the motors and the battery's.
First of all thank you so much for the great info and showing us the real world coming test in winter. Subscribed!! So learning from this is that in worst case scenario, if you plan on camping in minus 20 1; get those window insulations, 2; get an extra blanket. 3; you can put it on 17-18 Celsius which still should be comfortable and save good amount of energy most likely. 4; Camping is more comfortable in every other seasons beside winter 😂 (personal opinion lol) thanks again!
In addition to using window insulators and some trunk insulation, Bjorne preheats the interior when he camps. You lost a lot of heat during your mattress presentation with the trunk and doors wide open.
Thats nuts 3.8 kw Bjorn did the same test in model 3 was around 1.5kw if you put a 1kw hair dryer in your car it would get very hot in such a small space .
A key difference is that Bjorn insulated every piece of glass in his car. That probably explains most of the difference. The heat loss through the glass (poor insulator of heat) was likely massive. If memory serves me correct, his test was also at -22°C or thereabouts. So I would characterize Bjorn's test as best case scenario with insulating the cabin, and mine as worst case scenario with no insulation. Cheers.
I assume no condensation on windows...............HVAC takes the moisture out of the air? I would go with a goose down blanket for camping if wanted to to conserve space. An extra blanket on your feet might have helped.
Great video!! It's interesting to think if you had a Model Y, a Portable solar system, and Starlink internet, you could basically go to the middle of no where and survive pretty easily. Connect Starlink internet to your Tesla and enjoy Netflix on your huge HD screen lol.
I was going to use my 2022 Y as a bedroom camping last summer until I tested camp mode om a hot humid evening at home and heard the noise the car made. Other campers would have murdered me
And no insulation. There's a 40C temp diff across 5mm of glass. Glass is pretty conductive. And the rest of the vehicle is steel and aluminium, also both excellent conductors. And a cold battery which makes a difference for the first 2-3 hours.
There is a poroporton of energy lost in keeping battery at operational temperature which will not be dependant on interior target temperature as long as there is some energy delivery requirement. So the saving will not be proportional to interior vs. Exterior temperature differential
Thank you for the video! How tall are you? I’m 6’2” and wonder if I can comfortably sleep in the model y. I figured I’d I kept my head at the read lift gate, I head wouldn’t sink in the void behind the drivers seat. Thoughts?
I’m 6‘4“. It’s a bit snug, but it works. Biggest problem is my feet… my feet get cold when it’s 25°F outside. Apparently the hatch door lets in a lot of cold, but I’m too tall to keep my feet away from the hatch. I’m going to get a piece of quarter inch plywood to put under my sleeping bag, extending out over the gap behind the front seats. That will give me more length to slide up into.
They make 12v electric blankets and sleeping pads. That should help a lot. Heat pumps can operate down to those outside temperatures, but perhaps Tesla's isn't there yet.
True, also I believe using insulation on windows and setting it on 15 Celsius and an extra blanket should make a big difference in very cold conditions like that. Personally I wouldn't camp in temperatures like that but it's really good information to know in case of an emergency
Like a wedge shape? That’s a really good idea. I don’t think I’ve seen one like that. The incline is very slight in the Model Y, so it would probably need to be custom made.
I knew I was correct as to energy consumption/range loss. . This doesn't even include driving. Add driving and your range is effectively cut in half on these super cold days. Maybe 240 kilometers range in those conditions ( 150 miles). When Bjorn did his test FWIW, he didn't take into account the larger battery his 21 had.
I had climate control set to manual with 20°C and a fan speed of 2. Another viewer ask a similar question and I've pasted my reply here: "Thank you so much! I saw that in Bjorn's video when he first uploaded it. If I recall, he discovers this towards the end with his stats app. Prior to that he had it on manual for the same reason I did. It simply gets too hot in the vehicle and fan blows too loud on the automatic setting. Interestingly, this is the opposite behavior than when driving. When driving you get better efficiency with the hvac on manual and a low fan speed. I think this issue of auto vs. manual climate controls needs further investigation and data collection. It just doesn't seem logical to me that setting climate control at 20°C with a fan speed of 2 consumers more energy than auto with a super high fan speed."
@@ElectricCanuck it will, trust me. It effects the on off cycle and a bunch of other things that I know just enough about to know i can't adequately explain. Turn it to 18 then?
...and even know this, I would still set to manual to keep the cabin temp from getting too hot and the fan too loud.
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Good video, strange that model y uses so much more energy than model 3, it may be because the heat pump is not so efficient at the low degrees, where it then has to run more and more, I look forward to we can buy model y here in Europe from GigaBerlin, thanks for the good info
Fresh air. I’m not certain if recirculating would elevate carbon dioxide levels from exhalation. Not an expert there, but that’s why I kept in on fresh air intake. For sure the results would be better for energy consumption with recirculating the air. Cheers.
Heat pump with r1234yf/r134a get inefficient to a CoP =1 at < -10C Ambient. Tesla uses whats called. "compressor boost" tech to heat up the refrigerant using the electrc compressor's electronics to run lossy that makes the CoP slightly better but still less ambient temp < -12C its gonan suffer. And it had to cool and entire large cabin. The HV compressor in heat pump ended up consuming and average of 3.x kW based on what yoj calculated + some LV fan/pump consumptions
Where did you get the sheets? I can't find fitted sheets that have a 4 inch deep pocket. All the sheets pockets I've seen are way more than 4 inches deep. Your sheets look like they fit exactly. Thanks brother. From west of Toronto lol. Peace, Calvin.
Hi, Calvin, thats a regular twin sheet. I think it is for a 6 inch deep mattress and I've tucked it in underneath. I want to say this sheet set was purchased at Bed Bath and Beyond. I hope this helps. Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck Thanks for getting back. Ya you confirmed what I figured. Bed Bath and Beyond sell 4 inch thick mattresses like the one you purchased, but they don't sell a 4 inch fitted sheet. It's the same with every store I've checked. Weird. What can ya do. Oh well. I like your channel and have subscribed and hit all notifications. I got the Milliard tri-fold mattress you recommended. It's for a Model Y I ordered which I will get this August (it should have the 4680 struc pack with alum castings front and back ... woo hoo). Cheers right back.
Thanks for the video, I haven't tried the camp mode in real life yet; assuming you were using camp mode during the night, does the screen keep showing that fireplace clips or there is a way to turn the video off but keep the temperature on? And while you were sleeping in the car, are you able to lock the door without causing impact on the camp mode or shutting down the car?
Thanks for watching! Yes, I was using camp mode. The fireplace comes on automatically a few minutes after turning on camp mode and not touching the screen. It stays on for about 30 minutes or so then the screen turns blank. I have been happy with the default settings, but I am certain you can customize them. I just haven't routed around for the settings. Yes, you can lock the door by clicking the lock icon on the touchscreen. As long as camp mode is on, the car will not turn itself off unless the battery goes down to 20%. As an aside, the ambiance created by the fireplace is super cool. Cheers.
I guess I am not too surprised. I came out from work yesterday at about -7 C having preheated the car and the heat pump sounded like a jet engine. How noisy was it for you? I usually can't hear it much while driving. Our pool heat pump (basically a reverse a/c) is only effective above 20 C and the reports I have read suggest even the best ones are almost useless at -5 C for homes. I do understand that there is supposed to be some "secret sauce" in the octavalve but physics is hard to overcome. Tesla Bjorn's 2021 Model 3 tests using window insulators is much better. He claims better than his pre heat pump 2019 M3 but I don't think it got to -22 C in his video. I suspect their is a logarithmic increase in energy consumption between -17C and -22C. I wonder if anyone can do the math?
Hi, Ray, the sound of the heat pump didn’t bother me for sleeping. Especially when I switched my orientation with my head down towards the back. Mine definitely did not sound as loud as your description. 🤔
If yours sounds like a "jet engine" you definitely have to take it in. Friend has one and it doesn't sound like that. I believe they use more insulation on the heat pump on newer models I wonder if you guys can get that new insulation installed
@@blueplanet1048 My wife tells me I exaggerate at times and I think I did this time. Mine was built in June after the insulation was being installed (it has since been changed again according to the 2021 M3 Sandy Munroe is tearing down) I should have said it sounds like an ice car idling to warm up. Our MX and M3 with the resistance heaters were less noisy but also less efficient on the highway in the winter. We have done several long trips with all three and watts/km are definitely better with the heat pump so I wouldn't go back.
@@raybouchard6840 cheers!! Thanks for the information as I'm researching and deciding on which one to buy. I like the new model 3 dual motor range wise but the model Y is actually a much bigger car which is hard to see in pictures. I like the hatch which was always my gripe with the model 3
@@blueplanet1048 It drives like a smaller car but lots of storage. I used to drive a Camry and the 3 has much more storage but was similar in size. I am tall and old and find the 3 harder to get into than the Y or X and like the higher position of the seat. The rwd MY is good value and if similar to the rwd M3 it will drive exceptionally well in the winter. I actually liked the winter cornering of the rwd M3 more that our awd MY (our daughter bought the M3 so I still get to drive it occasionally)
Excellent information. Is it necessary to support the upper end of the mattress since it’s longer than the cars flattened area? Also people also sleep in Toyota hybrid cars with the HVAC on, eg “Hotel Prius”. I’m trying to decide between a Tesla Y and a Toyota Highlander Hybrid .
Thanks for the post. I didn't know the hybrids would have a large enough batter to do this. That's super cool. Those are 2 good options. With regards to the mattress, it overhangs the flat seats by about 6 inches (15 cm). If you are average height, no need for any additional support. Maybe for taller people. Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck The engine will cycle on and off to charge the battery as needed. As per other posts, in the summer with ac on it could be for 5 minutes every 20-30 minutes. EV camping is far superior, though more expensive. My dream is a VW Westphalia EV.
Great idea! Lot's of towns have and continue to grow their number of level 2 chargers. Some even have Tesla destination chargers. Being plugged in is alway best if possible. Appreciate the comment. 😀
You'd definitely save energy and preserve battery. A friend of mine slept in their Model Y under similar conditions and set the temperature to 10⁰C and plugged in an electric blanket. I can't remember the exact numbers other than they used a lot less battery than I did. I can try this test and make video when it gets cold enough. Cheers.
Does the Tesla model y heat pump work in minus 20? I have read in the comments that they do not. However, the Tesla model heat pump,apparently is designed such a way so that it can perform more affective lay in colder temperatures then heat pumps in other electric cars.
I was wondering if you could compare to the consumption of gas on an ICE car for the same period of time. Would your consumption of gas be equal to 30 -35% of a full gas tank?
Hey, i was researching for a mattress for my MY, very good review. Do you think it feels ok-ish for two people to sleep in it? Looks perfect for a solo trip though.
Great vid! Did you run it on Auto? Björn noticed, that on Auto it draws less power. Problem is on Auto the ventilation goes up and becomes more noisy. Usually one wants it lower so that it is more quiet.
Thank you so much! I saw that in Bjorn's video when he first uploaded it. If I recall, he discovers this towards the end with his stats app. Prior to that he had it on manual for the same reason I did. It simply gets too hot in the vehicle and fan blows too loud on the automatic setting. Interestingly, this is the opposite behavior than when driving. When driving you get better efficiency with the hvac on manual and a low fan speed. I think this issue of auto vs. manual climate controls needs further investigation and data collection. It just doesn't seem logical to me that setting climate control at 20°C with a fan speed of 2 consumers more energy than auto with a super high fan speed.
Not yet. I need a second person to help test it properly. I don't want to exit the vehicle after locking, or exit and lock from the app. It seems to be low on the list of priorities for my wife, lol. I will post back here the result as soon as I can. Cheers.
Thanks Mitchell!! You're lucky, you don't want to experience that kind of cold! I need to catch up on my Sandy Munro videos to see if there is a backup resistance heater. I would think there would have to be. Or maybe the Octovalve plays a role. I feel some Google searches coming on. 🤔
It can simulate a resistive heater by running off phase power through the inverter, then pumping that heat. It's pretty quick too, don't notice a difference between my old 3 with resistive heat and Y with heat pump in terms of how fast heat takes to start.
Yes. I have a fixed rate of .14 per kWh when charging at home. Depending where you are traveling, about double if a Supercharger is used to replace the energy. So it truly is a cheap motel room, minus the shower. 😎
Well that's an interesting story. I was intending to trade in our 2017 Model X for the 2021 refresh. But, in Canada with taxes, the cheapest option is north of CAD$150K. The practical side of my brain kicked in and said...you can get two Model Y AWD from the same price. So I ended up trading in the Model X for another Model Y and saved myself CAD$75K. We are super happy with the Model Y we already own.
Sorry Jörg, yes, they do seem to be gone. I have added them back to the description. Thanks for letting me know. amzn.to/2ver4ok (Amazon USA) - no longer available in the U.S. but you want something 75 inches x 38 inches x 4 inches to fit Model 3 or Model Y. amzn.to/2vThKGT (carrying case USA) amzn.to/39cxfrL (Amazon Canada) amzn.to/2OE90uM (carrying case Canada)
Why not throw an insulated car cover on it to trap head and prevent air infiltration? Maybe do the test again with that would be great, but I see you are just doing a "worst case scenario" ...
That's an interesting idea! It would have to be one with the proper ventilation slits, and getting in and out would be something to solve for. The added bonus is you'd eliminate the light coming through so you could sleep in come morning. 🤔
Tesla's don't perform well in these conditions forget about camping in it just city driving in -20C is an absolute joke. Yesterday in minus -20C but felt like minus 30 in Montreal we lost 10% SOC in 10kms on a Model Y. In Quebec you can't take a Tesla on a road trip up north there just isn't enough fast charging locations and you'll be stressing over the battery on the whole trip. Maybe in 2025 things will improve with charging stations and batteries.
With my 2009 Escape hybrid, i have had no trouble sleeping in it at minus 20. The gas engine cycles as required with no CO buildup. It will only burn an 8th of a tank of gas overnight. Why sleep in your car next to your house? That's dumb!
Obviously you don't understand, this is a testing scenario. Also to say that fumes don't enter the car with a gas car running it's non sense, it does penetrate and it's poisonous, the amount might not kills you but it'll affect you for sure.
I do a lot of skiing and climbing. It is common to pack for the adventure on Friday before work, work on Friday, leave work, drive to my sport destination, and sleep there. Then Saturday morning I can get straight to the recreation. One of the requirements I had for my most recent car purchase was that I had to be able to sleep comfortably in it. That was one of the things that attracted me to the Tesla. I'm still figuring out how to manage all the range considerations, since some of the destinations are quite remote. I'm slowly building confidence as I learn to navigate the charging network and options.
Thanks for sharing, Mike! 😀
I think another difference with Bjorns model 3 test was that the battery was warm and acted like a heat sink for the heat pump to draw from. That would definitely increase the efficiency.
That makes sense! Thank you for chiming in. 😎
@@ElectricCanuck that was 100% the big difference. Bjørns battery was toasty warm and the heatpump took much heat energy from the battery first until it reached a lower temperature (4°C?). While that was the case, the car used only very little energy but as soon as it reached the min temperature, it started drawing way more power!
So basically, if you’re gonna do that in these conditions make sure you have around 80% SOC to start else if you have any lower you’ll have the heat shut off when you hit the 20% SOC.
Exactly! And you need to leave space for getting to a supercharger in the morning. This was a pretty worse case scenario. It doesn't get much colder in Toronto.
@@ElectricCanuck You had better head north until its -40°C/F!
Whitehorse it is. Who’s joining me?!?
@OB Or just don't sleep in your car at these temperatures. I can see the appeal in taking your car on a camping trip in summer but what is the point of this? You can't even drive anywhere because you have to be worried about charging first thing in the morning. And for the price of all the electricity you can almost get a cheap hotel room anyway.
@@ramdas363how are you calculating this? Even at an expensive Supercharger (about $0.45 US per KWH) 28.5 kWh is only $12.83. What hotel is that cheap?
👍 Thanks for the video! I think where the Tesla Model Y shines the most for camping is when you can plug the car in to just a regular electrical outlet and trickle charge. In most cases that will net you zero battery gain or loss. Safely heating the car is great. Equally cooling and dehumidifying in hot, humid weather is also awesome. Take care!!! 😊
Nice to know that your car could keep you alive & well if you were ever stuck somewhere in the cold.
It’s a great feature that you won’t find on the list of features. 😎
Jack, perhaps only overnight. He used at least 1/2 his battery in 7 hours. Doesnt leave much for driving eh?
During thoose early brigth summer mornings you need some window shades to avoid waking up 4am. So using shades is a real life situation ;-)
Glad you made it through the night lol. Great video for sure! Thanks for doing this!
Thank you for watching and for your support! 😃
The energy usage is not that surprising considering the 40 deg.C differential(72 deg.F) and remember that heat pump was not only keeping you warm but the battery as well ! When it's that cold the insulation sounds like a good idea.
👍😎first Tesla camp vid I’ve seen in the snow ❄️ 👍👍👍
I agree the back of the 3 would seem very tight so have never tried this. Thanks for testing this.
Hi, Craig, appreciate the view and the comment. Cheers.
I think alot of this like was talked about is the lack of utilizing the heat pump to its full extent, if you just did a good long drive and charged it would have been pulling heat from the motors and the battery's.
First of all thank you so much for the great info and showing us the real world coming test in winter. Subscribed!!
So learning from this is that in worst case scenario, if you plan on camping in minus 20 1; get those window insulations, 2; get an extra blanket.
3; you can put it on 17-18 Celsius which still should be comfortable and save good amount of energy most likely.
4; Camping is more comfortable in every other seasons beside winter 😂 (personal opinion lol) thanks again!
Thank you so much for your kind comments and for subscribing! 😀 Your points are 100% accurate. 😎
In addition to using window insulators and some trunk insulation, Bjorne preheats the interior when he camps. You lost a lot of heat during your mattress presentation with the trunk and doors wide open.
Nice test. You’re brave my friend. Thanks for taking one for the team. Too bad your feet froze though.
Lol, that's the one thing that's hard to sleep through...freezing feet.
Thats nuts 3.8 kw Bjorn did the same test in model 3 was around 1.5kw if you put a 1kw hair dryer in your car it would get very hot in such a small space .
A key difference is that Bjorn insulated every piece of glass in his car. That probably explains most of the difference. The heat loss through the glass (poor insulator of heat) was likely massive. If memory serves me correct, his test was also at -22°C or thereabouts. So I would characterize Bjorn's test as best case scenario with insulating the cabin, and mine as worst case scenario with no insulation. Cheers.
I assume no condensation on windows...............HVAC takes the moisture out of the air? I would go with a goose down blanket for camping if wanted to to conserve space. An extra blanket on your feet might have helped.
Correct, no condensation. Goose down blanket would definitely help. 👍
To get REAL reviews for us Northern Wisconsin and Minnesota residents ... Thank you
Great video!! It's interesting to think if you had a Model Y, a Portable solar system, and Starlink internet, you could basically go to the middle of no where and survive pretty easily. Connect Starlink internet to your Tesla and enjoy Netflix on your huge HD screen lol.
That would be cool!
I was going to use my 2022 Y as a bedroom camping last summer until I tested camp mode om a hot humid evening at home and heard the noise the car made. Other campers would have murdered me
Bigger space to heat up that's probably why you use more than the 3.
True, much more volume. I hadn't thought about that fully at 5am, lol. Thanks for chimimg in! 😀
And no insulation. There's a 40C temp diff across 5mm of glass. Glass is pretty conductive. And the rest of the vehicle is steel and aluminium, also both excellent conductors. And a cold battery which makes a difference for the first 2-3 hours.
Bjorn had much better numbers but insulated the windows. If you do this regularly you should get the insulation.
I wonder, with a heavy duty sleeping bag, and the temp set to 10c what the comfort and energy consumption would be like?
That’s a great idea! I’ll have to test that. 👍
That would be a 30C temp diff instead of 40C. So approx 75% the energy use.
There is a poroporton of energy lost in keeping battery at operational temperature which will not be dependant on interior target temperature as long as there is some energy delivery requirement. So the saving will not be proportional to interior vs. Exterior temperature differential
Thank you for the video! How tall are you? I’m 6’2” and wonder if I can comfortably sleep in the model y. I figured I’d I kept my head at the read lift gate, I head wouldn’t sink in the void behind the drivers seat. Thoughts?
I’m 5’10”. I think you’ll be fine. Cheers.
I’m 6‘4“. It’s a bit snug, but it works. Biggest problem is my feet… my feet get cold when it’s 25°F outside. Apparently the hatch door lets in a lot of cold, but I’m too tall to keep my feet away from the hatch. I’m going to get a piece of quarter inch plywood to put under my sleeping bag, extending out over the gap behind the front seats. That will give me more length to slide up into.
Great test love sleeping in tesla videos!
Thank you so much! I really enjoyed making this one. 😀
Interesting video
Thanks for watching! Much appreciated. 😀
They make 12v electric blankets and sleeping pads. That should help a lot. Heat pumps can operate down to those outside temperatures, but perhaps Tesla's isn't there yet.
True, also I believe using insulation on windows and setting it on 15 Celsius and an extra blanket should make a big difference in very cold conditions like that.
Personally I wouldn't camp in temperatures like that but it's really good information to know in case of an emergency
Obviously, the insulation on the windows would help immensely... if you are going to camp often.
I would want a mattress more triangle shape so the sleeping position is more level/flat.
Like a wedge shape? That’s a really good idea. I don’t think I’ve seen one like that. The incline is very slight in the Model Y, so it would probably need to be custom made.
I knew I was correct as to energy consumption/range loss. . This doesn't even include driving. Add driving and your range is effectively cut in half on these super cold days. Maybe 240 kilometers range in those conditions ( 150 miles). When Bjorn did his test FWIW, he didn't take into account the larger battery his 21 had.
The 21 has larger battery than the 2020??
Definitely a better test than what Bjorn does. Thanks!
Thank you so much!!!
better? ..
Thank you
You're welcome!
how about the view ?
Heat pumps don't work in -20c, also did you set it to 20 auto or 20 at your desired fan speed? Thats a very important detail.
I had climate control set to manual with 20°C and a fan speed of 2. Another viewer ask a similar question and I've pasted my reply here: "Thank you so much! I saw that in Bjorn's video when he first uploaded it. If I recall, he discovers this towards the end with his stats app. Prior to that he had it on manual for the same reason I did. It simply gets too hot in the vehicle and fan blows too loud on the automatic setting. Interestingly, this is the opposite behavior than when driving. When driving you get better efficiency with the hvac on manual and a low fan speed. I think this issue of auto vs. manual climate controls needs further investigation and data collection. It just doesn't seem logical to me that setting climate control at 20°C with a fan speed of 2 consumers more energy than auto with a super high fan speed."
@@ElectricCanuck it will, trust me. It effects the on off cycle and a bunch of other things that I know just enough about to know i can't adequately explain. Turn it to 18 then?
It's above my engineering chops! I'll put it in the "it is what it is" bucket then. Thanks for posting this. 👍
...and even know this, I would still set to manual to keep the cabin temp from getting too hot and the fan too loud.
Good video, strange that model y uses so much more energy than model 3, it may be because the heat pump is not so efficient at the low degrees, where it then has to run more and more, I look forward to we can buy model y here in Europe from GigaBerlin, thanks for the good info
Thank you Leo! That’s what I’m thinking too. I’ve heard -11°C or so is the break even point with respect to the older system in the Model 3.
Are you on recirculate? Or are you brining in fresh air and heating it?
Fresh air. I’m not certain if recirculating would elevate carbon dioxide levels from exhalation. Not an expert there, but that’s why I kept in on fresh air intake. For sure the results would be better for energy consumption with recirculating the air. Cheers.
Thanks for doing the test and providing the numbers. I was wondering if switching positions with the head at the back would be better and it was :-)
Seriously it made a huge difference!
Heat pump with r1234yf/r134a get inefficient to a CoP =1 at < -10C Ambient.
Tesla uses whats called. "compressor boost" tech to heat up the refrigerant using the electrc compressor's electronics to run lossy that makes the CoP slightly better but still less ambient temp < -12C its gonan suffer. And it had to cool and entire large cabin.
The HV compressor in heat pump ended up consuming and average of 3.x kW based on what yoj calculated + some LV fan/pump consumptions
Dang that is cold AF.
Yeah it was super cold. Once I switched the orientation around, I was super warm and comfy.
Thanks for the video. Did you use camp mode?
100% yes!
Heat pump designed for better heat distribution from motors to battery etc.
Where did you get the sheets? I can't find fitted sheets that have a 4 inch deep pocket. All the sheets pockets I've seen are way more than 4 inches deep. Your sheets look like they fit exactly. Thanks brother. From west of Toronto lol. Peace, Calvin.
Hi, Calvin, thats a regular twin sheet. I think it is for a 6 inch deep mattress and I've tucked it in underneath. I want to say this sheet set was purchased at Bed Bath and Beyond. I hope this helps. Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck Thanks for getting back. Ya you confirmed what I figured. Bed Bath and Beyond sell 4 inch thick mattresses like the one you purchased, but they don't sell a 4 inch fitted sheet. It's the same with every store I've checked. Weird. What can ya do. Oh well. I like your channel and have subscribed and hit all notifications. I got the Milliard tri-fold mattress you recommended. It's for a Model Y I ordered which I will get this August (it should have the 4680 struc pack with alum castings front and back ... woo hoo). Cheers right back.
Thanks for the video, I haven't tried the camp mode in real life yet; assuming you were using camp mode during the night, does the screen keep showing that fireplace clips or there is a way to turn the video off but keep the temperature on? And while you were sleeping in the car, are you able to lock the door without causing impact on the camp mode or shutting down the car?
Thanks for watching! Yes, I was using camp mode. The fireplace comes on automatically a few minutes after turning on camp mode and not touching the screen. It stays on for about 30 minutes or so then the screen turns blank. I have been happy with the default settings, but I am certain you can customize them. I just haven't routed around for the settings. Yes, you can lock the door by clicking the lock icon on the touchscreen. As long as camp mode is on, the car will not turn itself off unless the battery goes down to 20%. As an aside, the ambiance created by the fireplace is super cool. Cheers.
I guess I am not too surprised. I came out from work yesterday at about -7 C having preheated the car and the heat pump sounded like a jet engine. How noisy was it for you? I usually can't hear it much while driving. Our pool heat pump (basically a reverse a/c) is only effective above 20 C and the reports I have read suggest even the best ones are almost useless at -5 C for homes. I do understand that there is supposed to be some "secret sauce" in the octavalve but physics is hard to overcome. Tesla Bjorn's 2021 Model 3 tests using window insulators is much better. He claims better than his pre heat pump 2019 M3 but I don't think it got to -22 C in his video. I suspect their is a logarithmic increase in energy consumption between -17C and -22C. I wonder if anyone can do the math?
Hi, Ray, the sound of the heat pump didn’t bother me for sleeping. Especially when I switched my orientation with my head down towards the back. Mine definitely did not sound as loud as your description. 🤔
If yours sounds like a "jet engine" you definitely have to take it in. Friend has one and it doesn't sound like that. I believe they use more insulation on the heat pump on newer models I wonder if you guys can get that new insulation installed
@@blueplanet1048 My wife tells me I exaggerate at times and I think I did this time. Mine was built in June after the insulation was being installed (it has since been changed again according to the 2021 M3 Sandy Munroe is tearing down) I should have said it sounds like an ice car idling to warm up. Our MX and M3 with the resistance heaters were less noisy but also less efficient on the highway in the winter. We have done several long trips with all three and watts/km are definitely better with the heat pump so I wouldn't go back.
@@raybouchard6840 cheers!! Thanks for the information as I'm researching and deciding on which one to buy.
I like the new model 3 dual motor range wise but the model Y is actually a much bigger car which is hard to see in pictures. I like the hatch which was always my gripe with the model 3
@@blueplanet1048 It drives like a smaller car but lots of storage. I used to drive a Camry and the 3 has much more storage but was similar in size. I am tall and old and find the 3 harder to get into than the Y or X and like the higher position of the seat.
The rwd MY is good value and if similar to the rwd M3 it will drive exceptionally well in the winter. I actually liked the winter cornering of the rwd M3 more that our awd MY (our daughter bought the M3 so I still get to drive it occasionally)
use a heated blanket... no energy used at all (much less !).
Excellent information. Is it necessary to support the upper end of the mattress since it’s longer than the cars flattened area? Also people also sleep in Toyota hybrid cars with the HVAC on, eg “Hotel Prius”. I’m trying to decide between a Tesla Y and a Toyota Highlander Hybrid .
Thanks for the post. I didn't know the hybrids would have a large enough batter to do this. That's super cool. Those are 2 good options. With regards to the mattress, it overhangs the flat seats by about 6 inches (15 cm). If you are average height, no need for any additional support. Maybe for taller people. Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck The engine will cycle on and off to charge the battery as needed. As per other posts, in the summer with ac on it could be for 5 minutes every 20-30 minutes. EV camping is far superior, though more expensive. My dream is a VW Westphalia EV.
That would be a very interesting vehicle. I'd say there is a good chance VW makes one in the next 5 years as they go all electric. 😎
I lost 10 percent in 9 hours or so in 16 degree Fahrenheit keeping the model y at 70
If you could find a free town lvl 2 charger and plug in and stay the night it would be perfect
Great idea! Lot's of towns have and continue to grow their number of level 2 chargers. Some even have Tesla destination chargers. Being plugged in is alway best if possible. Appreciate the comment. 😀
what year is your model Y does it have a heat pump?
It’s a 2021. Yes, it has a heat pump. Cheers.
What would be the trades with electric blankets and a lower Tessla setting?
You'd definitely save energy and preserve battery. A friend of mine slept in their Model Y under similar conditions and set the temperature to 10⁰C and plugged in an electric blanket. I can't remember the exact numbers other than they used a lot less battery than I did. I can try this test and make video when it gets cold enough. Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck Great I look foreword to it
Does the Tesla model y heat pump work in minus 20? I have read in the comments that they do not. However, the Tesla model heat pump,apparently is designed such a way so that it can perform more affective lay in colder temperatures then heat pumps in other electric cars.
Wow! I wonder how it would have faired with insulation installed?
I might have to repeat the test. 😎
I reckon that would knock at least 40% off the heat loss. Glass is a really crappy insulator.
Maybe...but who actually does that?
you didn't show it putting it in Camp mode :) but good video
were you in camp mode?
Yes!
I was wondering if you could compare to the consumption of gas on an ICE car for the same period of time. Would your consumption of gas be equal to 30 -35% of a full gas tank?
Hey, i was researching for a mattress for my MY, very good review. Do you think it feels ok-ish for two people to sleep in it? Looks perfect for a solo trip though.
Thank you! I won't sugar coat it, 2 people will be very tight. It's possible for 2 average sized people, but you'll have to like each other a lot!
haha got it
Great vid! Did you run it on Auto? Björn noticed, that on Auto it draws less power. Problem is on Auto the ventilation goes up and becomes more noisy. Usually one wants it lower so that it is more quiet.
Thank you so much! I saw that in Bjorn's video when he first uploaded it. If I recall, he discovers this towards the end with his stats app. Prior to that he had it on manual for the same reason I did. It simply gets too hot in the vehicle and fan blows too loud on the automatic setting. Interestingly, this is the opposite behavior than when driving. When driving you get better efficiency with the hvac on manual and a low fan speed. I think this issue of auto vs. manual climate controls needs further investigation and data collection. It just doesn't seem logical to me that setting climate control at 20°C with a fan speed of 2 consumers more energy than auto with a super high fan speed.
Bjorn lives off of RUclips and makes a killing doing it.He just ordered a new model s plad+.With Tesla Canuck its more like an expensive hobby.
@Larry expensive hobby about sums it up. I do it because I enjoy it and I like helping people 👍. No Plaid in my immediate future, lol. Cheers.
Were you able to test if the door could be opened from the outside while your phone was inside the car with you?
Not yet. I need a second person to help test it properly. I don't want to exit the vehicle after locking, or exit and lock from the app. It seems to be low on the list of priorities for my wife, lol. I will post back here the result as soon as I can. Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck Thanks!
Sorry for the delay, Blaine. 100% confirmed. Doors cannot be open from the outside while your phone is on the inside. With camp mode on. Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck thanks for the update!
Great video, Paul! I’ve never experienced temperatures that low. Does the heat pump have a backup resistance heater?
Thanks Mitchell!! You're lucky, you don't want to experience that kind of cold! I need to catch up on my Sandy Munro videos to see if there is a backup resistance heater. I would think there would have to be. Or maybe the Octovalve plays a role. I feel some Google searches coming on. 🤔
@@ElectricCanuck No one to my knowledge has ever mentioned it, Paul.
Very interesting...if I were an engineer, I’d want to do a video on it.
It can simulate a resistive heater by running off phase power through the inverter, then pumping that heat. It's pretty quick too, don't notice a difference between my old 3 with resistive heat and Y with heat pump in terms of how fast heat takes to start.
Thanks, Dom! 👍
If you were plugged into a 120 or 240, how much would you have lost?
120v I'd roughly say a 50% improvement, or 1.9 kWh per hour usage. A 240 40amp, I'd have charged the battery. 😎
Isn't that only around $4 of power though? Small price to pay if you've got nowhere else to stay if you ask me.
Yes. I have a fixed rate of .14 per kWh when charging at home. Depending where you are traveling, about double if a Supercharger is used to replace the energy. So it truly is a cheap motel room, minus the shower. 😎
@@ElectricCanuck What about my wife and three kids?
@@HansKlossJ23 probably should just spring for a hotel.
@@HansKlossJ23 lol, definitely a hotel with a separate adjoining room for the kids. 🤔👍
I know it’s not related, but will you be getting any refreshed model s/x?
Well that's an interesting story. I was intending to trade in our 2017 Model X for the 2021 refresh. But, in Canada with taxes, the cheapest option is north of CAD$150K. The practical side of my brain kicked in and said...you can get two Model Y AWD from the same price. So I ended up trading in the Model X for another Model Y and saved myself CAD$75K. We are super happy with the Model Y we already own.
What's the width & length of the mattress?
Greetings from Tallinn, Estonia (-5°C) 😏
Hi, Heldur, the link in the description will take you to all the specifications. Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck Has the link been removed? I can't seem to find it in the video description. 🤔
Sorry Jörg, yes, they do seem to be gone. I have added them back to the description. Thanks for letting me know. amzn.to/2ver4ok (Amazon USA) - no longer available in the U.S. but you want something 75 inches x 38 inches x 4 inches to fit Model 3 or Model Y.
amzn.to/2vThKGT (carrying case USA)
amzn.to/39cxfrL (Amazon Canada)
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why is there so much snow? I'm in Toronto and don't see that much.. wow!
Lol, north of HWY 89, it's a different country. 🤔
He is NOT in Toronto haha. Those northern parts are a little different.
We’re different folk up here...😝
@@ElectricCanuck lmao, true that
Lol, if you turn interior temp to 10C, might be much better
Why not throw an insulated car cover on it to trap head and prevent air infiltration? Maybe do the test again with that would be great, but I see you are just doing a "worst case scenario" ...
That's an interesting idea! It would have to be one with the proper ventilation slits, and getting in and out would be something to solve for. The added bonus is you'd eliminate the light coming through so you could sleep in come morning. 🤔
How tall are you?
5’9” accurate measurement. Cheers.
-20ish caused the battery train. Near 0 it may be much better i think
Throw a Yamaha generator in the trunk, a long extension cord and a Ceramic heater. That might in my Outback.
how weird, even a 1kw heater would turn the car into an oven! and only consume 1kw per hour
$.8 for a night of sleep in a heated car👌🏼
Personally I would sleep with 17.5 not 20…
Yeah 20°C was a little warm for sleeping. You can easily get by at 17.5°C. Cheers.
Why not say where you are, instead of "north of Toronto"?
My viewers are located around the world. People will likely know where Toronto is on the map vs. the small town I live in. 👍
Tesla's don't perform well in these conditions forget about camping in it just city driving in -20C is an absolute joke. Yesterday in minus -20C but felt like minus 30 in Montreal we lost 10% SOC in 10kms on a Model Y. In Quebec you can't take a Tesla on a road trip up north there just isn't enough fast charging locations and you'll be stressing over the battery on the whole trip. Maybe in 2025 things will improve with charging stations and batteries.
Still cheaper than a hotel room
100%!!
With my 2009 Escape hybrid, i have had no trouble sleeping in it at minus 20. The gas engine cycles as required with no CO buildup. It will only burn an 8th of a tank of gas overnight.
Why sleep in your car next to your house? That's dumb!
Obviously you don't understand, this is a testing scenario.
Also to say that fumes don't enter the car with a gas car running it's non sense, it does penetrate and it's poisonous, the amount might not kills you but it'll affect you for sure.
Holy shit. Sleeping in a Tesla Y with that snow and cold? I rather sleep with my wife, while I use her body to keep me warm all night.