Springfield Prodigy DOESN'T Suck?! - 1000 Round Review - Any 1911 DS or 2011 Problems?
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The Springfield Armory 1911 DS Prodigy deserved a full 1000 round honest review. So here it is on Nightwood Guns! How does this 2011 and Double Stack 1911 style pistol stack up against the Staccato Bul Armory or even the Tisas or SDS Imports MAC. For a 9mm 2011 pistol, it's is actually a good gun! But is this handgun perfect? Does it have any problems malfunctions or jamming issues? Stay tuned to Nightwood Guns to see if a problem or jam occurs with the Prodigy! Is it the best 2011 out there? We'll see!
For my RUclips manual reviewer: I am a certified instructor and range safety officer. This was safely filmed at a private range. This is an unmodified semi-automatic pistol in its factory configuration handled by a professional. For the love of god I'm following your rules. There is no content in here that disqualifies the video as being safe for all advertisers and you know it.
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I got the 4.25” and put 1,000 rounds through it in its stock configuration and it ran perfectly, then I sent it off to get all EGW internals and an Atlas Flat trigger tuned to 2.4 lbs., lighter recoil spring, etc. and have put another couple thousand rounds through it. It’s been perfectly reliable, shoots better than any of my other pistols and now it has no MIM parts and still cost less than a Staccato. I’m very happy with it!
That’s awesome, I’m happy to hear it! 🙌
Who’d you send it off too?
@@TheRancor53I'm curious as well 🧐
what are the MIM parts in the prodigy?
@@gregsavage3694 pretty much all the small parts.
Someone get this man a CZ Shadow 2 COMPACT in his hands! We need it tested!
He can shoot mine if need like!
Meh... it's a CZ... shortened. Either you like CZ, so you like the compact, or you don't, and you have something else to make fun of about CZ.
@@m4rvinmartianI don’t get it. CZ makes full size guns and compact size guns the same as everyone else…
@@futurereflectionsmedia8391some don’t like them because they’re too good. Makes other guns look bad
@@Rothbardy imagine hating on a gun that runs amazingly, and is built to last…
…made by a manufacturer who is genuine and fought alongside the allies in WW2, and undercuts almost every other brand in affordability…🙄
I'll get one next, but I decided to do something a little different... Picked up the Girsan Witness, spent $70 on a Red Dirt Trigger tuned to 3 Lbs. Got a nice looking Cerakote Job (Midnight Bronze, Burnt Bronze, with Classic Distressed). Had slide to frame fitting polished after Cerakote runs nice. I love my new Girsan Witness 2311 | 4.25" [1,500 rounds to date]
Happy to see the early challenges with the Prodigy have been worked out (for the most part)... Great channel and great content!
Very nice! 😎👍
just bought a Prodigy and Echelon. Shot 1000 rounds through each and, well no hiccups at all so far. Shoots and that is what counts.
Very nice! 👍
Great review... I know there is a lot of hate surrounding this gun. Despite the mixed reviews I still purchased one for myself (5in) and I will admit it was a problem child out of the box. But with a little help from my local gunsmith and replacing the internals with EGW parts. This gun has now become one of my favorite guns I own and shoot. I've had friends who own Staccatos shoot it and they even said they were impressed. I like the gun so much that I just purchased the 4.25 to do my next build with.
The Prodigy was a pleasant surprise after everything I heard about it 👍
Thanks for the balanced review. I wanted to buy American and decided on the Prodigy + upgrades; namely custom fitted forged fire control parts and a wider slide stop. They added $500 to my cost, which comes in a few hundred dollars below a Staccato. After 2,500 rounds, I've had zero malfunctions. It's a pleasure to shoot and accuracy is excellent. There was just one annoyance. After 1,300 rounds the optics plate developed about 0.01" of play, but accuracy has not been affected.
Very nice! Thanks for sharing 😎👍
I just hit 1000 rounds on my 5 inch. Not one issue. My fit is tight and has no play.
My mainspring housing is also fit perfectly.
I do agree about the safety.
Good to hear! 👍
I never understood the hate for the prodigy... I've had a 4.25 for about 6 months, fully upgraded, EGW internals, V8 ported, stippled, 508t, Atlas guide rod and safeties etc. I have like 2000rds through it, no issues whatsoever except with crap ammo light strikes. I EDC mine and I like it more than my dads Staccato P
That is an awesome setup! 🙌
Strange ..... My example had a VERY nice 0 play "slide to frame " fit, barrel to slide fit is excellent. Also no click from backstrap when gripping. I do plan to replace fire control parts with EGW parts for piece of mind . Mine is the 4.25 barrel version BTW ......
It seems QC and fitment is pretty inconsistent with these. You can end up with a perfect one, an awful one, or one in the middle like mine.
I've got the first run 5" and have none of those problems. But i did have issues with the slide slowing down on the disconnector. So I changed the recoil spring to a heavier 12# spring and went 100% for about 1200ish rounds. Now I have the original 9# recoil spring back in it, and now it's 100% and running a little flatter and just as fast. Maybe a little faster with the better return.
Anyway, I just happened across your channel and liking what I've seen so far. Stay safe, and God Bless.
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍 I’m glad you are enjoying the channel so far!
I work at an Academy for Sports and Outdoors. We cannot keep these things in stock! I personally have sold 7 of them and I have only seen one come back from a customer who was unhappy with it. We sent it off to Springfield to be fixed they had it fixed within 3 weeks and sent it back to the happy customer. I am totally saving up for one of these!
Very nice! They are constantly sold out at every store around me, so you are spot on! 😎👍
Patiently waiting on the MAC 9 DS review.
Yes!
So part of what pushed me to go for this gun was the fact it has a pretty robust ecosystem, there is a lot of information surrounding the early issues in case I were to run into them (unlike the Tisas offerings which aren't even in the wild yet). I've shot Staccato, Atlas, Nighthawk MPA, CZ (TS2, and some cajunized CZ's), and a few other really nice guns...but the Springfield unfortunately was one of my favorites. I don't like Springfield, I would prefer to avoid their products, but the gun felt good in hand, it was easy to shoot whether ironsighted or with a dot (yes I shot two different 4.25's) and the owners had nothing but good things to say, even for the early example.
I did the math, and even if I buy the ignition kit, more mags, another optic plate, and an optic, I come in below the price of a Stealth Arms Platy that is properly optioned for my preferences, or a vaporware Bul Armory. Bul guns sell out in short order when they do come in stock.
That is sound logic 👍 I’d say it’s a good choice 😎
I agree !!!! I love mine. For $70 I replaced the sear and disco from EGW and at about 450 rounds the trigger started coming in at just above 4.5 lbs. At over 1000 rounds now with the only failure I've had was benching it to sight in my dot and the slide didn't lock back. Well, I was putting weight on the mag and caused it to not lock. Otherwise, flawless. Sometimes folks buy high end just because they want to sit at the "cool kids table". I buy what works , have no "sack queens" and only own what I shoot. The Prodigy is amazing to me and it has caused me to fall in love with 1911's. 🙂 🙂 🙂
@@TheAmerican1963 😎👍
Interesting review, love the no BS delivery in your reviews. With all the very mixed reviews these guns have been getting, I can't see myself ever getting one. And the mixed reviews are super mixed, because not every one has the same problems. I will give Springfield credit for releasing a made in the USA "2011" at a pretty solid price point though.
Glad you enjoyed the review 👍
I shot the fiber out of mine at about 800 rounds. Then I replaced it and shot that one out at about 1400 rounds. That being said, I'm over 1500 rounds on mine and it's never failed with fmjs. I've had a few hiccups with hollow points. I would still call it a good gun for the money. All in all, I'd buy it again.
It’s certainly a lot better than I thought it would be 😎👍
What a great channel you've got going. Thanks for the honest coverage! You walked me off the "impulse buy" cliff on this one. This doesn't seem like a bad pistol by any stretch, but for the money, I'm allowing myself to be a fit+finish snob.
Glad you enjoyed the vid! I’m definitely in agreement with you about being a little more snobbish at this price point 😂
Cant believe I missed this one. I have been thinking about grabbing this one and sending it off for upgrades. So glad u did this review. U r my go to bro.
Right on, glad you enjoyed it 👍
I bought one and put on a 508t on it and its a laser beam. 3500 rds so far no problems.
Great to hear! 👍
I went to my local range last week and they had this gun as a rental. It was bone dry and shot flawlessly. That gun also shot ridiculously high.
I’m glad it ran great! Interesting to hear that so many people in the comments also experienced the irons shooting very high.
@@NightwoodGuns Springfield, for whatever reason, is obsessed with their guns shooting to a 6 o'clock hold. My 1911 Loaded also had sights with a 6 o'clock hold when I purchased but I called and they provided a shipping label and swapped out the front sight for a true center hold. One thing you have to hand them is their customer service is very good.
@@jthrelf They do have decent customer service. 👍 Mine went way south of a 6 o’clock hold though. On the 5x5 drill I was holding about 3 inches underneath the entire circle and it still hit high 😂
@@jsacodes916 when you hold at the bottom of a circle target, and will only hit true POA with a certain size target
Was thinking about buying this but not anymore. Thank you for the review dude.
I’m glad you found the review to be helpful! 👍
I handled the Prodigy 4.25” alongside a Staccato P and the Prodigy felt better in hand, to me, than the Staccato. Part of it was due the stubby grip safety used on the Staccato, but the grip of the Prodigy felt well executed to me. The build quality of the Staccato is higher, obviously, but for a significantly less expensive gun the Prodigy’s ergonomics were punching above it’s weight. I also liked the sights on the Prodigy. The gun I handled wasn’t poorly fit and it’s worth noting that if the barrel locks up tight and consistent, the slide to frame fit isn’t nearly as important as it’s made out to be in reviews. Early reviews of reliability have given me pause on the Prodigy, but it seems Springfield is starting to iron them out because I know folks that have had zero issues with their guns.
People often make more of MIM parts than need be. If the MIM part is done well, it will provide a long service life and a poorly executed part will break fairly early. Forged parts can also have problems if the forging or machining was done poorly. Until Wilson Combat shifted to using all of their “bullet proof” parts gun, it too used MIM parts in some guns, such as the early CQBs.
The issue with the fiber in the sight was unfortunate, but that’s not a big issue and easily corrected. The rear sight coming loose is good to know as it’s something I’d want to loctite if pick one and don’t use an optic straight away. Your comment about the gap and potential for sweat causing rust is something that bothers me about so many guns coming optics ready, when I don’t intend to use an optic on every gun. I’d prefer the option to just buy the gun without the optic cut.
Thanks for the informative, balanced review. I’m always interested in the mechanical accuracy of a gun; if you could incorporate groups from a rest in future reviews it would be good info for viewers. If the reliability issues have been sorted with the Prodigy, it seems like a great gun for the price point.
Thanks for the comment, lots of good points made! I might start showing mechanical accuracy in the videos. I always test it but normally skip sharing jt to save runtime unless an anomaly happens since most modern guns are more accurate than most shooters can be free-hand.
My experience with the Prodigy was similar but with more hiccups. I think the real place where they save money is quality control. Yes, there are all those MIM parts, but the true issues we see with it are not long term issues, but OTB issues, meaning its a QC problem before the MIM normally becomes a problem.
Well said 👍
You are not kidding about if it can happen to you, it will. I don't have the issues with that ported m&p that you did, my Shield Plus may not feel like a full sized gun, but it shoots and acts like it, and I want to buy that Prodigy off you too now. What a channel.
Edit: I'll also shout out to Bear Arms, they're great, get me what I need at a reasonable price (especially for Scottsdale), landed me the Launch Beretta 80X, and my 8 year old got to see Ian there one day. They also offered me a job, post-interview. Great shop, great people.
😂👍 Yeah, that ported M&P must have been the ammo I was running. Turns out my G19C didn’t like it either and was throwing rounds as the ports were shaving off the jacket. And the Shield Plus definitely surprised me with its hiccups. And yes, Bear Arms is a great shop. I’m glad to hear so many people in the comments showing them love 🙌
One thing I'd say is this is a good platform for anybody who is new to 2011's and want to tinker with these guns. They can learn how to tune with new parts and really understand what these are all about. If buying a Staccato for your 1st 2011 then the odds of a newbie will not try to take apart and understand the platform.
This is actually me talking here. I'm not a newbie to guns but i am to this platform. Haven't bought one yet so this might be right up my alley. I've been doing trigger and other upgrade work to all types of guns just not this platform.
Great video by the way! I learned a lot!
I have the 4.25, all EGW parts, atlas flat trigger and bow. 11lb recoil spring and 17 lb hammer spring. It is pulling at 3 lb every time. Great gun. Work the slide,as the cerokot can bind it up.
Very nice! 😎👍
Thank you, great review. For now, my search for a double stack continues in the $1600 range.
Good review and I like your channel. It’s a breath of fresh air in the gun review space.
I’m glad you’ve been enjoying the channel! 😎👍
Bret, I got the 4.25” Prodigy for $1,100, invested in EGW parts(Ignition kit) for $135, Dawson Precision too less guide rod $100 and its runs flawlessly. I did consider the Bul TAC but it is like a unicorn…
Great to see another upload from you Nightwood. Unfortunately I got your usual luck with my prodigy 4.25. Reliability issues up the wazoo FTF, FTE, failure to go into battery, sluggish slide, catching on disconnector, safety levers getting caught and even walking off with normal usage, rear sight plate loose out of the box, 7 pound trigger, the internal finish has been rubbing off and oozing out the back in liquid form(never even heard of this before) for 500 rounds + 1000 or so hand cycles. Sent back for warranty 3 times and some things have improved but overall still very problematic especially considering they advertise this thing as a "duty gun" which I did get for carry. I genuinely don't know what to do they have had the thing 4 times total and cant get it right and I don't see how I could ever trust it with my life/the lives of others ever.
How long ago did you originally purchase it
@@jackripper6033 5-6 months post launch
Oh man, that’s ROUGH! Part of me wishes I would have ended up with your gun to help spread the word… but part of me is glad I didn’t because I get so much hate when I have problems 😂 Sorry that happened to you, that’s awful. Thanks for sharing.
Mine had issues with FTF. I sent it back and it still had problems. I finally watched a video where someone talked about working the slide over and over. I did maybe 1000-2000 times and then changed the recoil spring to 17lbs. It runs flawlessly now. I will switch back to the stock recoil spring after I get another 1000 rounds or so through it. It was incredibly frustrating at first, but it shoots darn well now that I've worked out the bugs.
stoked to see how much this channel has grown so far
It’s definitely exciting 👍
Like most things, early models have the most bugs. Over time, the issues disappear.
Usually that’s the case 👍 But I still get comments on my King Cobra and Canik MC9 videos of people having the same issues all this time later.
You can get them under 1200 my dude. I got mine for 1180, not including FFL fee, but at $25 that's not a big deal. And you can find mags for around $30. MIM parts are fine honestly, doesn't bother me at all. Haven't shot my Prodigy yet, but soon hopefully. Can't wait to compare it to my Platypus. Also want to pick up a Tisas doublestack, it has all forged parts. Question is, B9R carry, or Mac 9 DS? The Mac is a Stacatto clone, the B9R is more Platypus 1911 upper on a doublestack lower type gun. Maybe both...we'll see. Have to get out and shoot my Prodigy first lol
😎👍 Definitely excited to get my hands on the MAC
Have about 1400 rounds thru mine no mods except egw extended slide release only problems I’ve had were about 800 rounds deep no cleaning it needed cleaning. Main complaint is mounting plate for dot would back out 1/4 turn. But just red loctite it and we will see if that holds. Good video
Got mine prodigy upgraded (egw kit and atlas trigger) ❤️
Very nice! 🙌
Freaking loveeeee my prodigy 4.25 carry. I traded my edc sig p229 elite for it and now my edc. I have never shoot this good in my life with any pistol. I now zee what all the hype is on 2011 pistols and why so much.
Absolutely! 🙌 Congrats on the Prodigy!
Glad to see your thoughts on this pistol.
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I had a DWX compact mainspring housing that did what you're talking about.
Pretty annoying 😅
Hope you do a Mac 9 DS next, I have one and its fantastic, I did replace the grip already and tuned the trigger to 3.5lb. No other changes needed at this time.
Very nice! Once my local shop gets one in, I’ll pick it up 😎👍
When I shot the prodigy, they were high left. I thought it was me but the front post was loose. Granted it was a range rental…still kinda yikes 😬 The wobble was similar on the one I shot too. Eeeeh. You kinda get what you pay for. I also didn’t care for the safety. It just felt…cheap. Idk. I’ve shot the staccato P and stealth arms platypus and both were ALOT better in quality.
That being said: Turcatto inbound. Definitely looking at the MAC9 DS
best review I have seen thus far on this pistol.
Glad you enjoyed 👍
Made in USA with excellent USA based customer service. I’ve heard nothing good about Bul Armory’s service.
$1,200 actual street price with $300-$400 in upgrades to tool steel small parts (where it matters) and you have a reliable and competitive package that supports the US economy.
100% fair points 👍
I blew the fiber optic out of my prodigy in the first mag lol. Got rid of the top plate and put a dot on there. Wish the bul armory came with a steel frame instead of aluminum. My only experience with bul is a 1911 from magnum research, and had to replace the slide stop immediately. With the gun in battery, I could push the slide stop out. It now has a Wilson bullet proof slide stop
Bul does have steel frame models. 👍 It also looks like they’ll have some new announcements at IWA soon🤞In my experience, their magnum research models seem to get less QC than their Bul models, but that’s just speculation on my part.
Love the review! I love the gun so much that I got both the 4.25 and 5 in version. Tho after holding the new CS. I’m temping to switch over for the smaller grip width.
The Prodigy definitely impressed me! The new Staccato C looks like it’ll be a great addition to the lineup as well 👍 That CS/C grip feels great!
Update: also comment for the algorithm:
Sold my prodigies, great guns but I can’t keep my holosun from walking/dancing. My local gunsmith tried everything like cutting down the screw so the extractor would stop hitting it. Nope. So I got the a CS for the thinner grip! Any potential buyer should be aware of the optic issues with this gun.
@@ClaireMeeboon Woah, that’s wild! I wonder what was causing that because this is the first I’ve heard of that issue. Enjoy the CS! My buddy just got one and it’s an impressive gun! 😎👍 Thanks for the update/comment!
Great video Brett! The attention to detail in pros and cons was well thought out. Quality video. Looking forward to more!
I’m glad you enjoyed the vid! 👍
after some tuning my 4.25 prodigy's ( i had 2, one for ccw and one for the gun belt) shot as soft as my sti tactical 4 host. really enjoyed those for the ease of shooting and oddly enough how well i was able to get the trigger with some sear spring tuning. never had any issues other than with some really hot loaded turan ammo ( popped primer got stuck in firing pin channel) it was great. both ended up getting traded for lighter guns a C2 and a bul sas ul 2. both are fine. but for the price, they shot great. and that grip texture was actually really good with the right grip pressure.
if they dropped a lightweight variant i'd probably grab another if they could get to around 25ish oz.
😎👍
Excellent review, Bret. Thank you for complete honesty.
Glad you enjoyed the review 👍
*12:00** To be clear... "Made in America" gets difficult when every part on that gun was made in Brazil (frame, slide) or elsewhere (Mexico, Philippines), and it was only ASSEMBLED in the U.S. [allegedly]*
See Springfield, if you send me a Prodigy I won't say stuff like that ;p
I’ve heard reputable people I trust say that. I’m just waiting for some indisputable evidence before I open my mouth on camera.
I took my new 4.25" to range for first time yesterday. Did great for first three mags (one load out in 17 and two 20 round mags). Then the problems started. FTF and not going into battery. Now, having said that, I did not clean it at all before going, so it had all the OEM sludge in it. I'm hoping the good, deep cleaning and oiling clears that up. I also ordered a Staccato Mag so I'll try that. BTW, I thought those mags were over $100; I picked it up for $69. I really want this gun to work as I won't spend the $$ for a 'S' gun.....
Keeping it oiled and running Staccato mags should help. If you continue to have issues you can always send it in to Springfield for warranty 👍
Agreed. Gotta clean it up. I've had a stock p229 run scrappy and did full disassemble. It was full of borderline rust and packing grease. Deep clean and oil and it was a dream. I now do that to every gun when I buy it. Deep clean and liberal oil.
I also absolutely LOVE Bear Arms Scottsdale! I’ve purchased many items from them and that’s the shop I got my 1st suppressor from. They also have some great gun estate sales sometimes and they open up the side room.
I would like to see your review of the new Tisas double stack 1911 and live free armory.
Second this with the MAC
Great review. I have the 5” and it has a lot of failure to feed/failure to battery problems. That being said I do love the way it feels in the hand and it shoots super flat. I’m either going to send it in or do some upgrades to make it run tight.
I have both the 4.25 and 5 inch versions and love them. Added a Magwell and slide stop to both. They have both run 100%. The 4.25 has a bit of drag from the disconnector but it hasn’t caused any malfunctions. Though it (4.25) does have the better trigger of the two. The rear sight on the aos optic plate did loosen up after a couple hundred rounds. I have a little over 1k rounds through both (more on the 4.25) and I’m happy with them. Hopefully they will break in nicely, and if any mim parts break at that point I’ll plan on replacing with some extras from egw etc.
Do you notice any difference in recoil impulse or return to zero between the 4.25 and the 5 inch?
I prefer Tombstone Tactical in Arizona.
@@ICanDoItMyself also a great shop 👍
I put 50 rounds through one of these at a local indoor range. I rented it. I had 7 malfunctions where the pistol would fail to go into battery fully. Not a great first impression. This was about a month and a half ago.
It seems the Prodigies are a little inconsistent 😅
After I got the Apollo 11, I really think I overpaid for the Prodigy. My fiber optic disappeared somewhere between the first and the second magazines. Springfield sent me a couple of fiber rods in red and green in four days. And the guild rod unscrewed itself almost all the way out. I didn't notice that till after 300 rds later when I packed up. It's still a fun gun, and I will slowly replace the parts.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Some valuable data points there 👍
The problem I have with Bul Armory are the proprietary mags. That's kinda douchy. I got the 5 prodigy for under 1k. Ported and replaced mim parts. All in under the price of a Bul armory 😁
It all depends on what ecosystem of mags you want to invest in. Bul Armory didn’t make proprietary mags to be douchey, they designed their own durable/reliable mag because 2011 mags used to be notoriously unreliable. I think they are arguably better than 2011 mags. I own both and I just view it like owning a Glock and an M&P. Basically the same guns with different mags 😂
Would love to see an in depth review like this with a stealth arms platypus!
Ordered it a few days ago! 🙌
Try out the Platypus next, seems remarkably robust and can’t find any negative reviews of it so far 🤞🏼
I have one on order! 😎👍
Guns & Anime? You're a man of culture. I have the same Yoko figure :)
Sounds like you have impeccable taste, as well 😅👍
Looking forward to your tisas review.
Same! 😂 I’ll be hitting the range on Monday 👍
Another excellent review! The Tisas sounds like it's better made, but I don't consider Turkey a friendly country to the U. S. and I have no interest in supporting them.
100% fair 👍
That Cheshire cat grin 😸on your face says you got pleasure from the Prodigy's pain? 😂
😂 Some people put too much meaning into a smiling face. Sometimes a smile is just a smile 🚬
Good review! Side note: everyone talks about mim parts in a gun, and breakage comes up. Who the hell has ever broken a mim part? I have guns with mim parts with tens of thousands of rounds no problem. Who's broken any mim part gd it?
Glad you enjoyed the review! MIM ejectors and thumb safeties break most often on 1911 style pistols. The reason you don’t hear about it more often is because 99% of people don’t shoot a significant amount of rounds through their guns 😂 But with some Google-fu you can find plenty of examples. The ejector on the prodigy is the most common breakage. I personally broke a MIM extractor on an HK USP Compact. Broke my heart and soured me on MIM.
Just wanted to say I recently subscribed! I love the content and original ideas/opinions you bring to RUclips
I’m so glad you’re enjoying the content! 🙌
@NightwoodGuns P.S
You have the best video on the jericho 941
Right on! I’m glad you liked it!
mmm, caught in the chamber, that's gotta feel good! I saw a Bul SAS II 3.5 comp in the shop I went to last week, right next to a Nighthawk for $4,300. I was too afraid I'd buy it (they wanted 2,100 used) so I didn't pick it up, the Nighthawk was amazing. I feel like the Bul is less new...
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Bro, really appreciate your videos. And, I love Bear Arms. Purchased my first gun there. A Ruger, SP101 .357 Magnum, decades ago.
Glad you enjoy the vids! And yeah, Bear Arms is awesome 👍
Metal injection molding....... sounds like a fancy way of saying "casting."
I get that you can get a Turkish knock-off for cheaper, but what about the customer service and after market options for that? Would you be able to have them repaired or upgraded?
And if it's being compared to Bul and Staccato, and it's not being laughed out of the category, then it's doing a pretty good job. Let's be honest, those are what I would call "luxury brand" or "boutique" firearms. This is an affordable option to rather un-affordable guns. There is no way there is going to be the same level of quality. But if someone who shoots those regularly doesn't call the Prodigy garbage, Springfield should put that feather in their cap.
Great video as usual 😁 i had a question. Would you say now would be good time to pickup the cr920? I figured id wait till the bugs were worked out 1st.
Bull Armory SAS II over the Staccato and Prodigy all day, every day. 💯💯💯👍👍👍
Great and fair review but not so fast 💨 I have a prodigy you can add EGW parts for 80 bucks have it 1911 tuned for around 80-100 bucks and now you have a gun that is as good as staccato. I also changed to an atlas trigger and recoil spring and run it in USPSA so I can care less about the coating true run and gun (guns) are not pretty! And don’t all Glocks have MIM parts?? 😮😮😮 plastic guide rods and sights……yet that’s perfection…….
😂👍 All fair points!
Springfield needs to do something with the finish on their magazines. noticed you shaking the gun while releasing the mag and I myself tried one of their mags in my Staccato and had the same issue. Just felt gritty in a way and doesn't drop freely cleanly
You get what you pay for, I suppose. If I were running this for serious use I’d 100% run better mags.
average person will never outlast those parts. you can change the main spring , polish the internals and bend the main spring and still get a 2.5 pound trigger. the gun is really good for the price.
To be fair, the average person will barely outlast a box of ammo 😂
That Yuyu hakusho shirt, nice. Go figure, I was hoping you'd review the prodigy.
Perfect! And yeah, Yu Yu Hakusho is a classic! 😎👍
That sweater is badass!!! My mans a berserk fan 🔥
Absolutely! 🙌
Sonny Boy, you’ve been sneaking into Bear Arms since you were 8? You told Mom and me you were going to the library! We always wondered why your book bag pockets were marked AMMO and MAGS………….
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Busted!😂😂
@@buddyvincent9205 Well, it’s all starting to make sense, now. The fifteen-pound packages from Lucky Gunner when he was 9 - he told us it was bricks. The autographed photo of “uncle” Paul Harrell - I knew neither his mom nor I had a brother Paul. And the bump stock? I guess it wasn’t for his Nintendo after all…. We were so blind…..
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Looking forward to your Shield Plus review. I’m considering that for my next purchase…🤔
It’s definitely a good shooter! I just had a little hiccup with it. Review should go live next week 👍
Thanks for the review. Glad it was positive overall but the issues about the sights makes me want to pass on it. Would rather pick up 2-3 other guns in its place instead.
Fair enough 😎👍
I would like to see you review the Live Free Armory Apollo 11 and compare to the Prodigy. Also an american made 2011, less costly and supposedly no MIM parts either.
Excellent review. THX man
Greetings from France, I ll go for a prodigy, seems not so bad.
Staccato, in France, are twice the price than the US.
The prodigy ds is already at the price of 2400....a staccato xc at 9000😢.
Nice review, really pro, keep going sir👍
I’m glad you enjoyed the review! 👍 Thanks for commenting from France! 🇫🇷 I always enjoy meeting firearm enthusiasts from around the world!
@@NightwoodGuns it s my pleasure to see your videos, thanks for your nice answer, thanks for your time 👍👍
@@the1911FrenchAddict 😎👍
Thank you for your video on the Prodigy! You helped me move on from that pistol. Have you reviewed the Kimber KDS9c? I thought I had narrowed my selection down until veteran brothers challenged me to look at Kimber and the Rock Island line. I called Wilson Combat today, and they told me that the lead-time is 6 to 8+ plus months (very disappointing). My reservations with Bul Armory were ported barrels and MIM components. I learned from Kevin Chacon that the SAS II Tac's are not ported barrels.
If MIM components moved you away from Bul Armory (it only has 2 or 3 MIM parts) the Kimber KDS9c is filled with even more MIM parts. I tested it at SHOT show and it was jumpier with recoil than other offerings.
@@NightwoodGuns- is it safe to say that my choices need to be limited to bul Armory and Staccato? Which is better for larger hands, the Staccao C2 or Staccato P? Thanks!
@@johnpeterka8355 Those are my recommendations unless you want to step up to Atlas Gunworks. And the Staccato P would be better for big hands. Staccato XC would be best overall 😉
I cant do the Prodigy for other reasons.....Bull Armory is a unicorn apparently BUT, what is the deal with the Stealth Arms Platypus in your opinion. Metal injected with plastic magazines??
Stealth Arms Platypus is awesome. I’ve shot one and know a few people who have it. Just ordered one for myself, in fact 👍 No MIM parts, all machined. Glock mags are cheap, plentiful, and reliable. Customization is the cherry on top.
@@NightwoodGuns I have 3 of them built , just trying to pick. Im gonna do it I guess, Bull Armory is just not happening
@@rickm4295 Yeah, Bul requires patience 😅 I think they are going to have new announcements at IWA next week 🤞I think that’s why restocks have been slow. Probably replacing several models. But I definitely strongly recommend the Platypus as well 👍
yeah when it comes to 2011's I'd save up and go for something else I think.
That’s how I feel as well 👍
Do the MAC 1911 DS9!
I’m just waiting for my local shop to get one in! 🙌
You say Arizona and I’m all about that
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Welcome to the channel! Glad to have you here! 👋😎
I have 1,200 rounds through mine now. My only issue is with the 20 round mag. Always have issues with that magazine but with the base 17 round mag, i have never had a stoppage.
Right on! 👍 Thanks for sharing!
The new MAC 9 DS may take its place as the budget king.
It has some serious potential 👍
Thanks for the review. I WAS looking at the 4.25" Prodigy as my first DS 1911. Maybe I'll look at Tisas or MAC.
I have a prodigy, 4 inch and a quarter and this gun is a dream
Spring Field fix most of the problems by now
Mmm its new, california says that means extra danger 😢
Sad times… 😢
The Prodigy has LOTS of parts available for upgrade. I bought the 4.25" for $1150 and have another $400ish in upgrade parts. I've owned an STI (not Edge) and with the upgraded parts the Prodigy is very , very close to the same quality for ~$1,000 less. I do my own gunsmithing and that saves $500 or so. Still can't find a new Staccato for $2,150. It's not the same quality but $1,000 buys a lot of 9mm. Almost fair review . LOL
Looking forward to your shield plus review.
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Love your honesty dude
Right on! 😎👍 Glad you’re enjoying!
Meanwhile.... The Turkatto produced in knoxville tn 😂 MAC 9 DS built by tisas runs all ammo reliable, no mim, no cast, tight fitment, sights dont loosen, and its priced around $1,000... no grip safety sticking, better than apollo 11 compact 😎 which has issues running hollow-points.... Turks taking over 😂 everybody knows that CANIK TTI COMBAT is gonna be a banger which is also from the TURKS!!
I’m with you and I’m super excited about it, but I’ll be waiting on the reliability and fitment claims until I’ve tested a consumer model myself 👍
@@NightwoodGuns This is gonna implode the industry for a sub $1,000 2011 that doesnt suck 😎
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@@NightwoodGuns I own a echelon and hellcat pro and they are fantastic, but the prodigy seems rushed and botched , hopefully 2.0 fixes all the issues, I would like to see them do a 3.9" 16 round sticcato c2 size model next for edc
@@KNIGHTOFSIN187 Agreed 👍
Wow, just found your channel.
I really want a ds, But have been hesitant to purchase one, I also didn't know bear arms, but I will definitely swing by and give them a try. Thanks
People just like to shit on Springfield any chance they get. But getting that out of the way, I agree with you overall that this pistol isn't really worth the money considering the alternatives. Even from the same brand, not a double stack 9mm, but their 1911s are much higher fit and finish for the same price. My Springfield Operator that was just about $1000 when I bought it has none of the fit and finish issues you pointed out about the Prodigy. The slide to frame has zero rattle or movement, no movement in the mainspring housing, and has been 100% reliable for me.
But don't get my first statement wrong, I'm not at all saying the Prodigy didn't deserve a lot of the criticism it got initially. It did have a lot of reliability issues in the beginning, but it was a brand new platform coming from Springfield, having to work out some bugs isn't exactly an unexpected thing. From what I've heard from people I know in the gun sales industry, they have more or less worked out all of the major issues with it and the new Prodigy pistols should be reliable like the one you reviewed.
Well said 😎👍
This weapon looks like a union between a 1911/2011 and a CZ 75 P1.
Too bad it doesn't sound as though/durable as both.
Interesting observation 👍
Don’t most striker fired guns (Glock) have MIM parts? Why are those guns “reliable” and this one be less so?
It depends on the parts that they MIM. Low stress parts can normally be MIM without issue and since striker guns have less parts in general it’s easier to engineer. It’s when they pack a gun with MIM parts that include parts under stress that it becomes an issue. These striker guns were designed with MIM parts in mind. 1911s were not. An example of a MIM part failure I had is a broken extractor in an HK USP that is normally renowned for being incredibly durable. But because of a poor QC in MIMing, the extractor broke within 200-300 rounds. As long as everything goes perfect in production, MIM parts are fine. People swap to forged parts for peace of mind.
Idea 💡the CZ shadow compact VS Kimber KDS9c which is a compact competition pistol for $1199.00 and other pro shooter have said the kimber is as good as the wilson combat. So get it done son!!
Cool idea! 👍
@@NightwoodGuns you have a great channel! The Ross Martin RM1C is also on my radar you should do hellcat pro VS RM1C
@@jessenewman6738 Gonna have to find a bigger budget somewhere, but I appreciate the ideas 👍 I’ll see what I can do