This CCS Experience Proves The NACS Adapter To Use Tesla Superchargers Can't Come Soon Enough!
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2024
- With NACS Adapters soon to be rolling out to owners CCS cars, hopefully we will all look back on these poor charging experiences soon and say, "Remember the bad old days?"
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I'm writing a book called, "Crying at the Car Charger" because the struggle is real. There is no end to stories about the frustrations and horrors of road trips in an EV. I've personally had an emotional meltdown (tears, not rage) at two chargers and I will say that the EA customer service woman who helped me during one of those experiences was an angel who should be a therapist and a few days later I called the company to be sure that she was appropriately recognized for her superb and exceedingly compassionate approach to her job. I happen to be in pain from a medical procedure and told her, "I'm sorry, I'm going to cry" and she couldn't have been more lovely or helpful.
Can you imagine the outrage if all gas pumps in America acted the way the EA stations work or don't work? Good work Dave! Kyle and Brandon too!
This is a great point. When software sucks it’s a nightmare. The company needs to get it together because it’s not the cars or the handles fault
@@_cjmccullough
Well, there's a system which works.....
Yes exactly!
And imagine if every single gas station chain had its own glitchy app to unlock the pump too.
All the shit tesla gets and they are literally the only one doing things right.
Just finished 2,000 mile road trip in my Lightning. Your findings with EA/plug and charge match my experience. PnC never worked. I eventually found pre-swiping the start charge on my selected station would work. Time outs would often happen if I didn’t pre-swipe. BTW, charged perfectly on new V4 Supercharger in Columbia with Magic Dock. Made a video on that. Keep up great work.
Get that Model X back!!!
Soon!
@@outofspecdave1554Agreed. Where is all the Model X content & reviews we were told about on his(Kyle’s) channel? Only see there is an 18 hour towing segment-Not interested.
The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption. With the hope EV’s would never catch on.
In 10 years the only place you will find a CCS charger is in a museum and an electronic surplus store.
I've never successfully managed to charge my Tesla at a non-tesla DC fast charger so the $200 is spent on a CCS adapter 8 months ago was a total waste of money. However, I've never been to a Tesla supercharger that wasn't in working order. The difference is beyond belief.
Electrify America stations are pitiful.
10:37 PTSD: Pre Tesla Stress Syndrome: flashbacks to having to wrestle with recalcitrant non-Tesla chargers and charging networks?
I have been an EV owner since 2022. I had a 2021 Kona electric and now I have a 2024 Ioniq 5. The biggest issue with all of this is infrastructure. I started looking at electric vehicles in 2019. It is now 2023 and the infrastructure where I live (MD) is virtually the same. Very few ultra fast charging options. I live in Waldorf MD, and other than several Tesla stations, the highest charging CCS is 50kw. No EA, a few EVGO and they only have 2 - 3 stations Max! I love the electric vehicles, but the infrastructure needs to be addressed! I have a charger at my home so it does not affect me as much but I have seen where people were waiting for hours to charge because most do not have home charging options. I have been watching Dave and Kyle for years. Keep doing what you are doing because the squeaky wheel always gets the grease! I consider all the early EV owners the beta testers and we must report the issues to make it better for everyone else. Without struggle, there is no progress - Frederick Douglass.
Thanks Dave always interesting to see how EA CCS charging is progressing or lack of progression.
The only issue I have with other manufacturers and NACS is that most charge ports are on the wrong side, so those vehicles will take up two spots. Thus potentially turning your 16 stall charger into an 8 stall, which could then cause congestion at times. Hopefully manufacturers will relocate the charge ports on vehicles once they switch to native NACS and/or Tesla will have longer cables on all of their stalls
I hear the V4 Suoerchargers have longer cables and are more centered in the stall, so they should easily reach both sides of the vehicles. Hoping we see more of those soon!
@@gridjac that’s why I said I hope Tesla has longer cables when this gets going. V4 is longer and more centered, but they’re not really pushing too many out right now so it only helps a select number of charger locations. This will need mass adjustments country wide
Well, as Dave pointed out in the video, this particular supercharger has parking spots on either side, so hopefully if a non-Tesla is taking up two spots, that other stall their vehicle is parked in can be reached from the other side.
I've noticed some recent Superchargers where Tesla has put them out in an open area rather than along the side of a parking lot to better accommodate a situation like that or a Tesla towing. Obviously space is the big factor here, but it's nice when they can do it in open areas. And I hope they speed up the V4 installations which should help resolve a lot of these problems in the first place.
The charge ports aren’t on the “wrong side.” Tesla is welcoming these vehicles with full knowledge about where their charge ports are located. It’s on Tesla to provide suitable facilities for all its customers, so if you want to blame someone for something you think is wrong, be sure you’re blaming the right entity and don’t take it out on the drivers who have to do what they have to do in order to use the station. Everyone needs to use their heads, of course, and not do stupid things (both Tesla drivers and non-Tesla drivers included).
@@rusticroads yes because my entire comment railed on drivers and their stupidity. Gotta love reading comprehension abilities of people on the internet. They are 100% on the wrong side/location for the way the chargers are currently configured. Yes there are ways to fix that, and it appears that Tesla is working on it (however very slowly). And yes, it is on the manufacturers of BOTH the chargers and vehicles to make sure things work cohesively. That means longer cables and more central dispenser locations from Tesla AND a charge port location from the vehicle manufacturer that works cohesively and correctly for the layout of the charging locations that will be the main choice for the majority of their customers
I said goodbye to our Tesla, and bought another (our 3rd) EV. Lovin' it! I will say, however, that the one real (only?) advantage of Tesla is… the Supercharger network. Thankfully, all EVs will be able to use that network over the next year!
Please keep sharing these stories Dave. We have had our Model 3DM since Apr. 2019, do lots of 900 miles/day road trips, and have never had an issue. Pondering whether to have the charging upgrade to our car so we can charge at CCS?
This is why I can't wait to try the Tesla superchargers with my Mach-e. Going on a road trip next month. I have the Tesla update on my Mach-e, and ordered a NACS adapter, which should arrive tomorrow. Though I have 300+ miles of range, I don't want to rely on only EA or EV Go.
Last week after working in Marco, FL, I stopped at the Naples EA charger. Only 1 out of 4 stalls were working.
When it was my turn, charging bounced from 130 to 40kW. A reset brought it back to 130 for only a few minutes. Frustrated, I left with a 50% charge. I can’t wait for Tesla to support other brands everywhere.
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Here in Canada, in the day I have used Electrified Canada (div of EA) always start the session by swiping the App on the selected charger you are going to use and presto (kind of) on a functioning EA or EC charger will activate when you plug in, it can time out so best to do within a minute or so. Many people ask me why I sold my 2023 Ioniq 5, not only was it the issue of 7 months to fix fast DC charging but all the problems I have had with my other CCS cars using Petro Canada, and EC in Canada they just do not work reliably or even at all and with such few charge points here in BC & Alberta they are getting long queues to line up for the actual working chargers. In BC Evs are very popular and sales are not slowing down other than availability of EV's are not the same as in the USA.
Dave, Thanks for helping us out in Vermont with the EA charger. But, the return trip was even more of a headache. The EA station in Lebanon, VT, had only one functioning charger and two people ahead of us waiting to charge. We didn't have the patience to wait, so we drove another 75 miles to New Hampshire. We arrived there with only 5% battery life left. The EA station in New Hampshire had two out of four chargers working, with one car in line ahead of us. A mall was nearby, so the family grabbed lunch while I waited to plug in. What should have been a 4-hour drive turned into a six-hour drive. Can you guess what my wife and teens think of EVs?
Get the new adapter Jeff! It’s available to order now Great meeting you sir :)
08:00 I watch a Rivian getting a charge at a charger in Alabaster, Alabama back in December. I was quite surprised. He had problems reaching with the cable from the first charger he tried, but it looked to me like he was able to use the second one (he had to pull up pretty close to reach).
Dave, we are a big EV family, 3 Ts, wife and I need to meet your wife and you
We are in NY Metro
We enjoy your focus on this area and how you bring Kyle in for focused topics
Keep it up
Haha West Leb has been a nightmare from Day 1. Even when they fix it, it’s broken with a line 10 deep a day later. Thankfully Rivian’s new RAN chargers are right off the same exit!
Thank you Dave for the excellent commentary. I have a model three old range and I’ve had one minor issue with charging on road trips that was because I was on a holiday. My wife has XC 40 recharge and every trip is an adventure very nice car drive, but on the road recharging especially at ea it’s terrible. You can definitely count on a success rate when trying to use an EA charger. She is counting the days until the Tesla charge network works for her car as you said it should be neutral to positive for Tesla charging because they’ll be more Tesla chargers, and EA will get thefate they deserve
It is well known that Chargers like the ones from Electrify America are junk. The only conclusion you can make is the management of these CCS units just don't care. If you can't charge from home or you take a lot of road trips the only option is buying a Tesla. Cheers!!!
I am so glad I have a Tesla MY
If you want CCS1 chargers that works all the time up to 800 Volts 180 kW move to Quebec. (They dumped the few 😅350 kW on-trial ) . That’s even better than Tesla V3 style chargers on present NACS for non Tesla’s
Its better... When they're working.
Well, help is coming. Superchargers, Ionna, the GM/Pilot partnership.. lots of CCS is coming. But, relying on EA? Yeah, you’re right. An exercise in patience and/or frustration.
So far I’ve always plugged in first and initiated charging from the app after. But I agree, too many CCS chargers are broken regardless of provider.
so crazy this is still going on
Owned my Mach e for 22 months with 28k miles. Used EA plug & charge about 50 times. Worked every time! Also setup EVgo plug & charge. Used it twice and it worked both times.
Are the EA chargers in West Lebanon still not working? We use the Superchargers there fairly frequently. Last summer we saw some forlorn Kia drivers trying to figure out how to plug a Supercharger into their car. I told them that their charger was on the other side of the lot. They said the EAs weren't working.
10:00 OOS Dave, don't let your heart race. Us, CCS drivers will be okay. LOL.
I charge my Ioniq 6 for free from 20% to 80% in 20 minutes at EA. Love it!!❤❤
Hoping the time will come when current CCS cars can be retrofit to accept the J3400 (NACS) connector without an adapter. IOW build the adapter into the port; seems simple enough.
Not sure complaining does anything. Even with NACS it’s not going to fix the CCS problems. Most are backend infrastructure issues by their IT. Mark my words. When NACS comes out on CCS the speeds will get slower. I’ve lived it for over year and majority problems I’ve seen are locked up machines that are unresponsive. The impact will be Tesla because all CCS customers will go to Tesla superchargers.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoint Dave and thanks for watching!
@@outofspecdave1554 if it weren’t for you and Kyle I think EA would think they are doing g a good job. It’s insane that the government doesn’t hit them with fines. I don’t miss those days at all. Also I hope Tesla can handle the business they are going to get from EA customers. I think we all are going to feel that surge.
This might be part of Tesla’s plan. They still by far have the most reliable network. Naturally they are going to get more customers using their chargers. More profit for them to expand to even more charging locations.
NACS isn’t going to fix EA, but it will allow whoever makes a good network succeed.
If a third party company can make a good network too, they will now have easier access to all the Tesla’s on the road too.
I’ve had good experiences with Shell DC fast chargers, I’ve heard they’re making a big push into the market with ChaDeMo and CCS1 handles. Maybe do a video on them too? I know Kyle has covered CircleK I’ve had success with them as well.
Gotta play the EA musical plug game
So CCS isn’t the issue as Tesla in Australia use CCS connectors.
The issue is poorly designed chargers that routinely fail.
Haha, I can't resist apple fritters either..
Nacs will help but there could be communication problems
I will take my gas car to road trip in West Virginia and Kentucky. No fast chargers at all on my routes through those states.
Tesla dominates
Laying on the schadenfreude a little heavy today, huh? Something to consider: words matter. Conflating CCS with EA's troubles is misleading, because EA could adopt J3400 "nacks" connectors and they would still likely have the same issues they have today. Even though most people can sift through the language and understand that you're really comparing EA to Tesla and not CCS to J3400 "nacks" some less attentive viewers could be led to believe that it's the connector and not the vendor that's the issue.
NACS won't change EA's ability to be reliable. Tesla Supercharger has demonstrated with Magic Dock that their stuff isn't all that reliable with CCS cars. They are hopefully working on it but for now, NACS won't fix any of the reliability problems with charging CCS cars.
Circuit Electrique, FLO are very reliable charging networks and they use CCS. Having a reliable DCFC network is 100% possible, with the right equipment, the right engineers and the right maintenance strategy.
Europe is all CCS2 and USA is NACS. Well, no more cars will be imported from USA. In Europe we really do not have any problem with charging with CCS2 / Type 2. Even Tesla cars are in Europe CCS2 cars…
Come to Europe, ionity always work!
Bjørn says Tesla's still the best in Norway.
Crap EA and here crap Ecanada, crap PetroCananada.
Never had problems with Flo !
I want to do the EV cannonball run record attempt NY to CA not with Kyle but with Dave!
Are there any EV GO dispensers in your region. EA is no better in TX
0:50 Dave, "after tomorrow" going to watch what you eat? I'd sooner believe you were going to stick with a single car for more than a few months (weeks?) .... BTW: when is Kyle going to bring back the X and what are you going to do with that silly ELR after the X gets home?
I'd take an Apple Fritter and a 48 amp L2 j1772. I would also settle for an Old Fashioned, a cherry cheese danish or a bear claw.
UPDATE: also a large McCoffee 5 cream 3 Splenda
What a PITA >>> I will stick with my gas engines and be happy !
Hi! I really don’t think CCs is the issue. It’s the lack of standardization in the US. I agree that focusing on one plug like NACS is a good thing. For Europe the ccs works just fine as every car and charger have it. Including Tesla :-)
I believe they're using CCS as a shorthand to mean public chargers in North America. Since currently Tesla is like 95% responsible for NACS
If you know the history of EA then you'll understand why they don't give a krap about their product....nuff said.
CCS1 is Deplorable.
GM Ford and VW have been trying to sand bag for decades. They want to make the charging as miserable as possible so people won’t want their cars. But along comes Tesla and Rivian and shows people how good it can be. Just like the old union guys working slow and the new guys shows up and puts them to shame.
Wow....really? Someone who actually has intelligence on RUclips? Someone who actually understands the Big3 agenda? No way! I always see commenters here who think they're smart but only in their minds. Rarely do I even see one intelligent response, like your's. Ok here's my $0.02. I support Tesla 1000%. I'm a stock holder and also own a M3P which I absolutely love. They almost went bankrupt twice, and if they did, you'd never see an electric car again.....like ever.
@@guru2899 If you look back at the history of J1772, the first version ratified by SAE allowed the use of the large pins for 400vdc at up to 80amps. The DC charging on the two 80amp pins was removed from the spec after 2013. In 2009 Musk asked the SAE to increase the current on those pins and they would not. So with the Model S looming, he made his own plug which is now the NACS form factor. SAE (ie GM, Ford, VW and others) waited until 2013 to ratify the CCS type 1. They drug their heels until he had to commit to something for the Model S and then selected something different. The fact that they are all having to eat crow and adopt NACS is just super sweet to me.
What is EA going to do by the end of this year after Tesla has opened up its network to all manufacturers which currently have EVs in America? I can see that Ionna coalition buying them real cheap, getting rid of the charger makers which can't make reliable chargers and rebranding the network to theirs.
The fault isn’t of CCS. It could have a NACS port but still suck at Electrify America. They are the problem. It’s a software issue. Not the hardware. The hardware is just clunky and hard to maneuver. After NACS is installed at EA they will still have issues, it will just be with a NaCS issue
These chargers are very expensive. With all the outages and idle CCS stations, these companies must be losing millions on their investments not to mention the millions tax payers are paying in incentives to these companies for a service that is mediocre at best. Thank goodness I only need to use a public charger once or twice a year.
This is such a terrible station, and the only EA in the entire northern VT/NH area
Once you go NACS you’ll never go back.
Giggidy
Well it looks like i made the choice not relaying on this station, Ha!
NACS uses the CCS protocol. Changing the plug is NOT going to fix charger reliability, ie: @ElectrifyAmerica and others. Can't wait for EA to switch to NACS and still have issues and see videos "NACS was supposed to fix all the issues". People need to keep that in mind when it comes to comparing oranges and tangerines. If EA actually gave a hoot, they would take better care of their charging sites.
I think you're missing the point. With NACS as the standard, all the EVs would have access to the Tesla Supercharger Network.
@@bytemark6508 true once Tesla gets V4 hardware both dispensers and cabinets rolled out. Until then the SC network won't be that useful for 800V vehicles. My point is don't think NACS is some magic pill that will fix everything.
@@robh5409 You're right, the standard itself is not a fix, but the idea that all EVs could get access to a very stable and well maintained charging network was the whole point of this. Remember how it all started: Ford CEO asked Elon to get access to the Tesla network, right? Even with a 800V architecture, you can still charge at the V3 chargers, even if it will be limited to 100kw or something. More chargers is always better, and something is surely better than nothing.Cheers.
Going to the NACS plug is not going to be the fix. First we need to see what happens. Tesla is currently a closed end system. Only time will tell.
What blows my mine is where did these companies get the money to install those crap chargers and software? "tax dollars" Clearly they aren't making money from charging or you'd think they would be working.
EA has decided from the start that Microsoft Windows (!!!!!!) is the operating system its charging stations should be using. Ridiculous choice.
EA CCS chargers are not reliable at all to ever being working correctly and for all of them to be working at the same time.
it's a darn shame the charging of ev's is so difficult to do with most of the none Tesla NACS chargers, Tesla did it right from inseption and that is awesome, shame on the rest of the other chargers what a let down Elon got it right, go Tesla
No. Our local EV connect only works if you plug in first. My advice is read the directions before trying to charge.
Good point. My comment was aimed at EA where I have found this sequence to work better for me
We all know Volkswagen created EA with dieselgate $$$. No oversight and no real path to profitablility. Sucks to own a CCS car.
It's pronounced leb-eh-nin
If more EVs can use Tesla superchargers then it frees up drivers from only buying a Tesla.
My next child will be named Chademo. Chad for short. If it is a girl, she will be names CeCe. Nacs would be a stretch for a boy or girl. You are watching what you eat. You watch it as it enters your mouth.
And people wonder why more people haven't adopted to the EV world. Tesla is marginally better, honestly. People will be bitching about the many non Tesla vehicles using the Tesla chargers as well. The internal combustion engine is so much better in so many ways.
ccx suck, nacs is the only way/ , you buy a ccx plug car, you desreve the headache that comes with that.
Dave you say you don’t miss it but you continue to go and complain when you don’t need to use it.
Dave, stop saying that the problem is the CCS connector. Most of the world uses that connector to charge their cars and they work fine. The problem in the US is that you have a shitty infrastructure for the chargers that use this connector but if all would use the same connector i believe they would take better care of them. Also I believe that the charge America or whatever they are called were not something that the company would want to put up but were forced to do because they did some "nonos" on their dinosaur juice car tests and this is what happens when you rely on that technology. If the chargers was made by a company that wanted to gain a profit for real they would take care of their chargers. Although I agree that the smaller NACS contact is smaller and more advanced etc... than the CCS contact.
CCS is why I won’t consider anything other than Tesla
I would not consider tesla without a turn signal stalk
@kelviskelvis7140 you must be a boomer. Get with the program. Learn and adapt. If you can't learn to drive stalkless then you shouldn't be on the road in the first place. Live in Florida?
I don't know how productive this video is at promoting EV adoption.
My job is to report on the realities of EV ownership. This is the current state of play from my lens on this particular topic. It’s simply challenging out there at the moment to own a CCS car and count on the existing DCFS infrastructure in the ground As things evolve and NACS support for CCS vehicles becomes a reality, this situation will evolve And I will be there to report on it Thanks for watching and sharing your POV
It is isn’t Dave is fixated with ea and doesn’t need to use ea.
No It isn’t you get fun out of bashing other networks that don’t have Tesla money or haven’t been around as long
We aren’t here to promote EVs. We are here to cover the realities of EV ownership
Can't be eyes shut, ears closed about the current state of ccs chargers. I for one welcome this video that shows the crap show that is non tesla charging. I hate tesla and have spent close to 200k on different non tesla EVs and playing Russian roulette with every charging stop is annoying.
mmmm the tone of voice very patronising.....
I used to enjoy your videos, these days, not so much. The high and mighty presentation you do more of these days is not very endearing.
Thanks for the feedback
What's "high and mighty" about the truth?
EVs are dying out. Just a Fad. Too Bad.
For EA, I plug in then swipe. I noticed many folks give up prior to the handshake finishing. Patience, Grasshappas. I let the handshake complete and if it fails I try again. The only place I could not fast charge was EVConnect (1 station only) at Carolina Beach , North Carolina. I reported it and they said "we know" and I said well, please do a service request again to fix it.