OH v. Dr. William Husel Trial Day 13 - Jacob Deemer - Former Mt. Carmel Nurse

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  • Опубликовано: 13 мар 2022
  • LIVE COVERAGE: OH v. Dr. William Husel Trial - Former Doctor Fentanyl Murders
    Happening In Court:
    OH v. Dr. William Husel Trial Day 13 -
    Arguments Outside Presence Of The Jury
    Jacob Deemer - Former Mt. Carmel Nurse
    An Ohio doctor was charged with 25 counts of murder on Wednesday for allegedly prescribing lethal doses of fentanyl to dying patients. Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O’Brien said that he has never seen a 25-count murder indictment in his career, adding that the doses Dr. William Husel allegedly ordered in the 25 deaths “could not support any legitimate medical purpose.”
    Husel, 43, was a doctor for the Mount Carmel Health System; he was fired at the end of 2018 after an internal investigation found wrongdoing.
    Husel faces a potential sentence of 15 years to life in prison for each count - if convicted.
    Husel’s lawyer Richard Blake claimed that, actually, “this is not a murder case.”
    “I can assure you there was never any attempt to euthanize anyone by Dr. Husel. At no time did he ever have the intent to euthanize anyone,” he said.
    Mount Carmel Health System, for its part, has said in a statement that it “will continue to implement meaningful changes throughout our system to ensure events like these never happen again.”
    The Columbus-based healthcare system also fired 20 other employees after an internal investigation found that patients received exorbitant amounts of Fentanyl. Even though nurses doled out-and pharmacists filled-Husel’s prescriptions, the focus of the criminal investigation remains on Husel, according to prosecutors.
    Mount Carmel President and CEO Ed Lamb said at the time of the investigation’s conclusion that “regardless of the reason the actions were taken, we take responsibility for the fact that the processes in place were not sufficient to prevent these actions from happening.” He added, “we’re doing everything to understand how this happened and what we need to do to ensure that it never happens again.”
    The State Medical Board of Ohio suspended Husel’s license in January because the doctor failed “to meet acceptable standards regarding the selection of drugs, violations of the minimal standards of care and failing to cooperate in a board’s investigation,” the board said.
    Mount Carmel has settled at least five wrongful death suits since it fired Husel. Two of the suits that were settled involved deaths of 73-year-old women. Sherry White died in 2014 after receiving two, 100-microgram doses of fentanyl within 16 minutes of each other, the suit alleged. But White’s death certificate said that she died of septic shock from a urinary tract infection (UTI).
    The suit in the death of Peggy Francis alleged that she died six minutes after she was given a 200-microgram dose of fentanyl. The death certificate said that Francis-who was being treated for kidney cancer-died from septic shock caused by a UTI.
    Each of the lawsuits allege that health care providers ignored excessive painkiller warnings from an electronic medical system or that the system failed to work in the first place. After Mount Carmel fired Husel in December, the health care provider updated its guidelines that a usual adult dosage of fentanyl should be between 25 and 100 micrograms, according to an Ohio Department of Health inspection report. Husel faces an additional 19 wrongful-death suits after another eight were settled, according to NBC.
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  • @roadiern
    @roadiern 2 года назад +26

    WOW!!! New grad RN directly into ICU! This NEVER happened when I became a RN. SCARY!!!!!

    • @ginawentz8574
      @ginawentz8574 2 года назад +6

      I was a new grad in an ICU and was an excellent nurse for many years. I also had no difficulty questioning a doctors orders if needed. I would have never given the amount of drugs these nurses gave and regardless of someone’s probable outcome we are not there to make it occur faster. One of these nurses didn’t even know what a GCS score was in an ICU. Terrible nursing and I hope none of them have jobs in such a critical area.

    • @gaiaiulia
      @gaiaiulia 2 года назад +8

      Sounds they didn't want to hire enough staff, so the new staff were tossed in at the deep end. Eight weeks' orientation for ICU after just qualifying as an RN? I'd have had a nervous breakdown if asked to do that.

    • @donnaparrish7638
      @donnaparrish7638 2 года назад +5

      I was hired right from nursing school into the Cardiac Care Unit. We also floated to ICU, ER and Med Surge. I worked critical care from the early 80’s until 2007.

    • @Lady_Angela1
      @Lady_Angela1 2 года назад +4

      Happens all the time now. Especially night shift.

    • @Lisa_BisaRN
      @Lisa_BisaRN 2 года назад +3

      After nursing school, my peers went straight into the ICU, ER, OR, etc and had lengthy preceptorships.

  • @docjonie
    @docjonie 2 года назад +21

    In nursing school, we had a very comprehensive pharmacology class and reinforcement of common meds with each disease process studied. I’d never give a med I wasn’t aware of the indication, action, contraindications, side effects and normal dosages. We had PDRs (in the old days), Nursing drug handbooks, and other resources readily available.
    Additionally, we had to have 1 year experience to even be considered for transfer/hire to the ICU.

    • @whatchamacallit70
      @whatchamacallit70 2 года назад +2

      So considering the set of circumstances this nurse was faced with and the patients rapid decline, what would you have done differently?

    • @Cosmicoo82
      @Cosmicoo82 2 года назад +16

      I have 38 Years of Nursing experience, RN, any nurse in an EMS situation would give these meds, especially since if not ? by the Pharmacist or other nurses, ect. I have had families come to me to ask for their loved ones to have increased pain med, even if too soon, they don’t like watching them actively dying and struggling grasping to breathe, death rattles, moaning, secretions coming from their mouths profusely having to be suctioned every 5 minutes; families almost begging for the nurse to do something and give more pain medicine to keep them comfortable, they don’t have to witness their loved one in distress .
      This trial is a miscarriage of justice, since these families have already settled civil lawsuits; this will set a precedent for doctors not to administer anything too strong for worries of being charged with MURDER!
      This judge has ran a Kangaroo Court, I’ve never seen a judge ad unprofessional as him, and anyone can blatantly see he’s PRO PROSECUTION! He has more sustained prosecutors objections, than for defense. He rolls his eyes, facial expressions when defense questions witness?This has not been a fair trial from day 1 !!!!

    • @whatchamacallit70
      @whatchamacallit70 2 года назад +7

      @@Cosmicoo82 thank you for what you do! I agree this trial has me angry at the judge too. Honestly I think the hospital was looking for a scapegoat and they blamed one of their most prestigious doctors.

    • @donnaparrish7638
      @donnaparrish7638 2 года назад +2

      Carried a little reference book in my pocket at all times.

  • @roadiern
    @roadiern 2 года назад +9

    See one, do one, teach one. Unbelievable!

  • @peaceandlove7824
    @peaceandlove7824 2 года назад +19

    Hypocritical justice system, a guy that goes around and murdered two human beings and hurt a third one goes free, he becomes a kind of “celebrity”. This doctor helped those terminal ill patients to alleviate their pain and end their lives without physical pain, but they shown him like a criminal. The world is upside down!! I want a doctor to give me as much medicine as I need to make my “trip” easier.

    • @mkaga8566
      @mkaga8566 2 года назад

      hey lead was a medicine that night

    • @sarahbeara4104
      @sarahbeara4104 2 года назад +1

      But these were lethal doses. The nurses had to override the system to get 10 vials to make up the order he made. It’s unnecessary for someone who is on palliative care.

    • @donnaparrish7638
      @donnaparrish7638 2 года назад +2

      Uhhhh, circumstances are totally different.

    • @harleyhalo
      @harleyhalo 2 года назад +3

      @@sarahbeara4104 No !!!! You can't tell who is suffering and who is not!

    • @awright119021
      @awright119021 2 года назад +3

      @Sarah Beara how are they lethal doses if other doctors gave similar doses and they didn't die? Not to mention, one of the patients didn't die until the next day and one over a week later. That is not a lethal dose for those patients, is it?

  • @TimeaWebster
    @TimeaWebster 2 года назад +11

    At 40:00 mark around.. As a nurse my self I will say to anyone commenting negatively about this nurse, that in fact he is extremely capable and you'd be extremely fortunate to have him at your bedside! I can't say for sure why he had only "a minimal pharmacology" comprehension. It might differs from school to school. I would say I studied a fairly high amount pharmacology and went into practice with a pretty good knowledge. Besides that he seems to be very knowledgeable.

    • @joannepollak5843
      @joannepollak5843 2 года назад +2

      I love this nurse. Very articulate and caring and loyal.

    • @joannepollak5843
      @joannepollak5843 2 года назад +2

      And knowledgeable!

    • @squidskid4934
      @squidskid4934 4 месяца назад

      I believe he has continued on to CRNA school, which involves much more specific pharmacology. So you have to consider that he’s probably looking back at his BSN class, and it seems simplistic in comparison.

  • @joymcmurry9022
    @joymcmurry9022 2 года назад +16

    This is guy thinks too much of himself and thinks he knows more than a med doctor

  • @Lady_Angela1
    @Lady_Angela1 2 года назад +15

    As a nurse, you can tell Anyone and I mean anyone NO!! when it comes to your license and patient safety. Management knows dont play with me! And I will tell a Doctor NO in a minute. .. He should have asked his co-workers as well. As an experienced nurse I am always willing to help or give insight when it comes to patient care. Even if I dont care for the person asking. What we do should always be bigger than our egos.

    • @whatchamacallit70
      @whatchamacallit70 2 года назад +2

      In this case they said yes to end their pain.

    • @Lady_Angela1
      @Lady_Angela1 2 года назад +1

      @@whatchamacallit70 Yes. And thats illegal. We cant play God.

    • @hollynix3589
      @hollynix3589 2 года назад

      Curious question from a Canadian nurse. Does the USA have maid yet?

    • @awright119021
      @awright119021 2 года назад +2

      @First Name Last Name ending someone's pain is not illegal. Ending someone's life is. The other doctor working there gave just as high of a dose to some of the patients and they didn't die so it obviously wasn't lethal to those patients. Plus one of the patients given the high doses by husel didn't die until the next day and one didn't die until over a week later. So obviously it wasn't a lethal dose for them either.

    • @Lady_Angela1
      @Lady_Angela1 2 года назад

      @@awright119021 Theres more to it than that or else they wouldnt be in court.

  • @kimchaney1611
    @kimchaney1611 2 года назад +18

    RN with a Medical Degree. He Thinks. 😳

    • @joymcmurry9022
      @joymcmurry9022 2 года назад +2

      I agree...he acts like he's a MD bot a nurse

    • @jomcmenamin4579
      @jomcmenamin4579 2 года назад +15

      I think he's literally very knowledgeable/skilled and professional

    • @cambrie7946
      @cambrie7946 2 года назад +4

      I think he was referring to wanting to become a nurse anesthetist, not an MD

    • @shelleyj1780
      @shelleyj1780 2 года назад +1

      @@jomcmenamin4579 without a doubt. Not sure if he has compassion though, can’t teach that.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад +1

    So he knows the 7 ways drug classification, but he didn't do the correct route.

  • @rhondamanos2726
    @rhondamanos2726 2 года назад +17

    This guy scares me. A 6foot, 180 pound patient is not obese. His BMI would be around 25 which is a healthy BMI. Too much of a know-it-all - seems very arrogant for someone with his limited experience

    • @sharonbentley8612
      @sharonbentley8612 2 года назад +2

      He scares me too.

    • @RnBReworked
      @RnBReworked 2 года назад +4

      25 on the BMI is the lower end of overweight, so not exactly healthy.

    • @awright119021
      @awright119021 2 года назад +2

      My son had those same measurements and was told he was overweight based on his bmi, even though he was muscular. So, no, that would not be in the healthy zone based on just a bmi scale.

  • @m.conway3232
    @m.conway3232 2 года назад +9

    Mt Carmel Sucks! There is a gentleman who was in transportation throughout his entire tkmenin nursing school. Soon. as he graduated, mount carmel hired him straight into the ICU. Smh.....

  • @janetspencer3682
    @janetspencer3682 2 года назад +1

    Speechless

  • @sharonbentley8612
    @sharonbentley8612 2 года назад +12

    He’s not telling the truth. Pharmacology studies are quite extensive and you would not give a med that you didn’t know all there is to know. I think he likes to hear himself talk. I sure hope he didn’t get into a CRNA PROGRAM. Where did he go to school? No offense, but new graduates always think they know it all.

    • @holliecampbell7189
      @holliecampbell7189 2 года назад +1

      Depends on the school, professor, etc. Not everywhere is equally as extensive

  • @jimroadhers
    @jimroadhers 2 года назад +8

    Kaaaaay,o kaaaaay. Judge is a dork somewhat 🤡🖖🦮💨

    • @spicyirwin5835
      @spicyirwin5835 2 года назад +2

      MAYBE BC TRIAL IS. PAIN SUCKS & SO DOES TERM CANCER! I prefer elevator to heaven rather than climbing steps in pain!

    • @harleyhalo
      @harleyhalo 2 года назад +2

      Judge is A wannabe comedian n. I hope he gets reported for his ethics during this trial!!! He is unbelievable

    • @TimeaWebster
      @TimeaWebster 2 года назад

      A dork, that's of a quite nice description of this judge. I have a bit of a graver image about him. He is an id..t and ultra biased in addition to his highly unprofessional behavior!

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад +2

    Nursing shortage, means u had no team members.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад +1

    No training he was still student working, if administration didn't know, it's there fault for hiring him, not the doctors.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад +1

    Not the doctor, but you didn't question the charge nurses or your place of employment. Same company did
    It to me. Jusfied to override --- your never justified, to override order. Standing order

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад +2

    Mangment issue, administration issues. There you go.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад +1

    Blaming hussel for not doing the right way, you never get verbal order he tells you amount and you enter it - you check the computer, not done, then calculate,

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад +1

    He's skilled now, but he wasn't then, so the errors were his own as a student nurse

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    The contradictions, insert, you should already know, if notes were off, and blank there's no documention

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад +1

    Ohio clinic - prestige or third party medical elderly compassion care. Cut corners

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Training out the window- you still follow emergency care- precaution.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    He was still a student, working with no educated nurses. Hired on with no supervision - no difference, pharmacy classes at least 2 years?

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Lasp in judgement - clearly

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Goals of care orders given for prevention by doctor - education - clearly not followed in the orders.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Without Doctor,

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    So the connection is they
    Didn't do the little thing before it contributed to higher infection, thus they died from hospital induced infection.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Why you present, the doctor wasn't there, why a doctor wouldn't have nurse explain this.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Concentrator - what does pure air O2,
    Issue

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Primary decision maker- doctor or charge nurse.

  • @beeslikesteve
    @beeslikesteve Год назад +1

    i love this man

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Air in lines .

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Pass naturally, comfortable, hospice is hollastic care.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    You just admitted you didn't you followed the nurse.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    His toes, from Diabetes, you missed this-

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Basically they googled Thier medication, or had an app copy and paste.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Swelling how did you put iv in neck

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    He would be in the room with the family.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    So weres the other doctor- he clearly states more than one, why is this doctor not on trail to. Hussel or one who barley works-

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    This why you use two nurses.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    It's in the vial---, they didn't know the calculation. They don't know how to convert . Makes sense he was a student no knowledge. Drew up In room, they mention for comfort of family, so they followed family orders.---

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    They didn't do wound care.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    He aspirated chocked was he already dead, then moved

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Doctor verified, didn't teach. Doc knew he wasn't skilled to be there.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    His O2 declined, lung function 21

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Chornicly, these were not treated.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Body mass, needed to calculate - you didn't

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Little slower new nurses- why then charts empty- detail, again , contingent on passing test, they werent certified. Why hire them, they Shadow with new grad not skilled enough to be training - problematic

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    He followed nurses

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Thus the reason he was swelling

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Polices- or standard medical practice -

  • @barnabascollins4625
    @barnabascollins4625 2 года назад

    Is this Dr. Christopher Duntsch’s brother?

    • @jankasza5538
      @jankasza5538 2 года назад +2

      If he was a physician’s brother, he certainly would have let us know!

    • @barnabascollins4625
      @barnabascollins4625 2 года назад

      @@jankasza5538 I’m being facetious. Do you know about the Dr. Duntsch case? Look it up and you’ll understand.

    • @yo.leroy777
      @yo.leroy777 2 года назад

      I think she was referring to the arrogance he gives off. 🤷‍♀️ 🐩💨

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Beeps meaning empty, then they passed

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    The milligram are small on the 💉🧫

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Diabetic, issues, he wouldn't have output, again unessary care.

  • @beeslikesteve
    @beeslikesteve Год назад

    6 foot tall at 180 pounds cant be obese

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    GI bleed- endoscope to far down,

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Iphones have apps, were those pulled for evidence as, the accudose overrides.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Carbon dioxide posioned

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Independent override,

  • @tkfields1707
    @tkfields1707 2 года назад +2

    This is someone that needs to be reminded of the Code of Ethics, of which any curriculum for health or mental health care dictates one never practice outside their SCOPE. He appears who driven and seems to be blaming his school for not training about meds. I can’t imagine he wouldn’t have had a minimum of one semester of Psycopharmacology. Even Licensed Clinical Counselors do this.

    • @whatchamacallit70
      @whatchamacallit70 2 года назад +11

      He never blamed his school. I think he is a very compassionate nurse and I would want him as my nurse if I was ever in the ICU. He did the right thing by continuously asking questions and he did his own independent research at home.

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Later that night- not on shift- oops

  • @jessicabuck5089
    @jessicabuck5089 2 года назад

    Normal 95,/100 ru air,

  • @lisagoodin2959
    @lisagoodin2959 2 года назад +3

    Baez: whine, whine, whine...

    • @joymcmurry9022
      @joymcmurry9022 2 года назад +14

      He's a good attorney

    • @jomcmenamin4579
      @jomcmenamin4579 2 года назад +14

      He,has evey reason, judge consistently intrudes on his questions.judge is supposed to be objective, even his tone his partial to the state

    • @harleyhalo
      @harleyhalo 2 года назад +1

      Judge is totally biased to procscution! Probably paid off by hospItal executives!!!!!