The cult leader behind Ruby Franke’s house of horrors
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2024
- Go to Lyons Tea Exchange and explore our range here: lyonsteaexchange.com/
Links:
2021 The Wrap interview: www.yahoo.com/video/8-passeng...
Cop info: www.washco.utah.gov/departmen...
Business Insider piece: www.businessinsider.com/8-pas...
ConneXions archive: web.archive.org/web/202309131...
Jodi probation: archive.sltrib.com/article.ph...
Jessi interview: • Jessi Hildebrandt spea...
Find me:
Buy my tea: lyonsteaexchange.com/
Subscribestar: www.subscribestar.com/sydney-...
Twitter/X: / sydneylwatson
Instagram: / sydneywatson__
Facebook: / sydneywatsonofficial
Sign up to my email list (I promise not to harass you haha): www.sydneywatson.com
I know this video is a lot longer than usual, but I wanted to include as much as I could in my little investigation. Worked very hard on it. I really hope you all enjoy! :)
Beavis, you said hard on.
Long videos rock! God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ, who is the name above all names & the only way to Heaven❤
If they get mad, Than your
Doing smt right
I agree with arsondarksea, long videos are just as good as short ones. You make them as long or short as they need to be and your fans will still watch them!
Hearing your unique accent for longer is always a plus++.. 👍 [and the antics.. Cannot deny the antics.]
Plus.. Your "little investigation" is the most imformative on this topic I've see so far.. And I'm not even half way through yet.
Equals = Thanks! 😉
The son who snuck out of the house to save himself and his sister is such a brave kid. I hope they both get the help they need and live happy, healthy lives.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o🤓
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o And you also take up for Jo n Rubes.
But of course grammar is more important than trying to “fast” children to death. ☠️
Really dude? You're gonna be that guy in A video about this? Please.
You’re absolutely right about bravery, but we wasn’t just brave-he was breaking free from a lifetime of conditioning and brainwashing. It’s simply amazing he could do it. I dearly hope those kids find a family that can raise them lovingly and deprogram them, too.
@@joshcarter-com it won’t happen if Kevin gets custody.
I'm reminded of when Jesus said "what kind of parent would give their child a stone when they ask for bread?" as if it was unthinkable. I think we found that parent.
Oof... He would love my mom.
The Bible also goes into great detail how you are supposed to Stone misbehaving children.
Why is it that Christians ignore a large portion of their religious texts that is supposedly sacred and must be protected?
Yeah.. and that is just (One) of Many reasons I left *The Church*
@@adam.maqavoyMate, who are you responding to?
Absolutely!
I wish people would stop saying Ruby was brainwashed by Jodi. She wasn't. Ruby enjoyed abusing her children. In her journal, you can see that she spent most of her time fantasizing all the different ways ahe could torture her kids. Ruby and Jodi are another example of what happens when two psychopaths come together with a shared interest.
Sadists arm in arm.
I think she was!
Yeah, but Jodi fanned those flames into a furnace. Ruby DOES NOT get a pass, but she was not a full on Nazi concentration camp guard until she got "counseled" by Jodi. She would have just lost custody of her kids, with zero jail time, without Jodi. IMO.
@@jeffzeiler346 Her neighbors were calling CPS on her. She couldn't do this without the right environment. Jodi's home was more isolated so she didn't have to worry about the neighbors. However, Ruby's true intentions are darker. She kept pushing Jodi to purchase the land in the desert, specifically so nobody could hear screaming. That's Ruby. When R was a baby he fell off the couch and broke his femur. Ruby didn't take him for medical treatment for a week and it's not he wasn't crying in pain the entire time. How's that Jodi's fault? That shows her lack of empathy. Ruby may have used some of Jodi's methods earlier but they didn't have the effects on the kids that she wanted. It wasn't painful enough. She surpassed Jodi. Sure, Jodi has clients who she mistreated including her niece. But as a therapist having dead or disfigured clients is bad for business. So she never took it that far. As far as everyone knows, none of Jodi's clients had chunks of flesh missing. Add Ruby to the equation and you get emaciated children, rotting flesh and abuse so severe that you can't even take them to receive necessary and urgent medical care because you'd be arrested immediately. That's Ruby's contribution. These two psychopaths created a living hell together. Alone, they each individually probably would've never been arrested for taking things this far. Ruby would've continued the abuse but not to this level and Jodi would still be a snake oil salesman making money off gullible Mormons (Which isn't too hard when you understand what they believe already).
Ruby was looking for a torture/abuse thought partner. She was already a POS, Jodi and her became the gruesome twosome. They were kindred spirits , kismet, perfect imbalance meets the best friend. Sick women who found each other and thrived off each other.
What happened is that she was advised by lawyer to pretend that she was manipulated into abusing her children while in fact she knew exactly what she was doing. And her family is also just helping her case by saying she changed dramatically after meeting Judy.
That sounds about right. Plus everyone who wanted revenge against Jodi for stuff she did in the past started doing interviews and it worked in Ruby's favor since all the evidence wasn't available to the public yet so it was open season on Jodi. Ruby's biggest help actually came from Jodi's niece Jessi. In fact Ruby's lawyer probably saw Jessi's interviews and then came up with the strategy. No wonder why Ruby was smiling in court.
“You’re going to lose the privilege to eat dinner”???
What?!
Ma’am, feeding your children is an obligation. It’s not a privilege that you take away from them as some deranged punishment. 🤯
In a world where so many people literally CAN'T feed their kids because there is no food to feed them, or the parents starve so the kids get what little there is, that expression she used made my blood boil.
Worse is her assertion the boy ‘stole’ water.
She complained that at his age he was pooping his pants while standing all day in the sun, and that it was runny. She determined this meant he was sneaking unauthorized drinks of water.
In fact he was dehydrated. And dehydration is the #1 cause of diarrhea. She was slowly killing him and blamed it on him for stealing water. His body knew it needed water.
Is it any wonder he told her he’d rather have a glass of water than her as a mother?
Not only were the punishments a b u s i ve in their own right, but they were particularly pernicious because most often the children weren't actually doing anything wrong. It was clearly a case where Ruby enjoyed meting out punishment and would just make up "crimes" ("stealing water" for example), accuse the kids of committing the "crimes" and then punish them. This is an echo of what Jessi (Jodi's niece was saying). Jodi would just accuse Jessi of committing horrible sins and doing things that Jessi didn't even do. Jodi's evidence?? "Personal revelation" and the "Holy Ghost" telling her what was "really going on". The kids were trapped in an i n s a n e a s y l u m and the inmates (Jodi and Ruby) were running it.
The actual punishment is being forced to eat food you don’t want to eat as a child lol. I still am traumatized by being forced to eat a certain amount of boiled cabbage or halibut steak before I could leave the dinner table. After nearly falling asleep at the table, I’d finally suck it up and plug my nose while gulping milk down with it. I’ve never eaten fish or cabbage since being forced to eat it as a kid, and I’m 48 now haha.
So that wasn't normal either?
I learn something new every day.
Funny, all the adults want the kids to be accountable and take responsibility for their actions, yet the adults are blaming each other and not taking any responsibility for what they did.
Can we all take a minute and appreciate the elderly neighbor who called in about the kid, the 911 dispatcher who was so calm and reassuring to him, and the trained first responders who had to deal with the traumatized kids. That's going to leave a mark on all of them for the rest of their lives and I don't think they get the recognition they deserve!
As for those who were behind all this... I think they are most likely in protective custody since the main rule in inmate circles is you do NOT do things to kids. If you do, you get "special treatment" and we don't mean in the nice friendly here's an extra pack of ramen noodles way!
Every single person that was signed up for their parenting classes "connections" email list needs to be investigated by CPS
YES! I’m confused as to why they haven’t been investigated! Any ideas?
@@patricianoel7782Oh I bet they have.
Mormons. That's why@@patricianoel7782
The same reason all the people on epstiens list werent investigated and why ghilane maxwell was prosecuted for trafficking to... noone? Remember noone has been investigated named or convicted in connection to those cases
Nah I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. The accusations of porn/sex addiction, lesbian accusations, the way she always seperates the man from the relationship when "counseling" couples, and the way they made sure the husband could never stumble into the house (has to get permission to come home first, can't ever come to the upstairs bedroom, etc), plus the fact that she had been leaving her kids for days at a time to go stay with and sneak around with Jodi make me think Jodi is a lesbian predator and Ruby had a midlife lesbian crisis. Ruby is vile, Jodi is a predator in many senses of the word
Correct!
Yep. They definitely give lesbian vibes. And the weird sexual accusations against her children can't be anything but projection.
100%. You can tell they’re in a relationship by their body language when they filmed those ridiculous videos for Jodi’s company. And of course the fact that they were living together.
@@haleytruslow7200 The husband said they sometimes slept in the same bed. 🙄
I think a lot of people share this opinion I also share it
It's easy to blame brainwashing, but if you watch the footage from her channel where she discusses her punishments of her children either alone or with them near her, her body language proves she's clearly enjoying the power she has over them. She may have been susceptible to some manipulation by a wacko, but she is a sadist.
The camera and online fame no doubt amplified her power hunger and abuse of it.
Did anyone else pick up on this line from the 911 call?
“We know there has been problems at this neighbors house”.
And later in the call he says:
“We knew she was bad but not this bad”
No ! I didn't catch that! Thank you!
After their reports went nowhere, neighbors reportedly also said that they were afraid it would go on until the kids left the house in body bags.
I am a mom of six and it is not normal for kids to go to school without a lunch. What an evil mother. And posting it all over yotube. Wow. Horrible.
Right! And at 6yrs old, kids forget that stuff all the time! What’s wrong with giving the school kids permission to feed her a cafeteria lunch and then paying them back? I’ve had to do that several times with mine! No excuse- if I as a working mom can arrange to have my kid fed in this situation without being able to get to the school, a SAHM should be able to at minimum the same.
I am the 6th of 9 and I have to agree. Even on the odd chance we didn't have food of our own that day, our parent's didn't hope thst others wouldn't share with us. We couldn't afford much but we atleast had a bologna sandwich or peanut butter and jelly, etc.
One of the girls in my class took her own lunch for the first few years of school. Her parents made sure she had a lunch card just in case.
Mom of two: anytime my kids forgot their lunch, I'd bring them one then help them make their lunches the night before for a week to help them remember.
And I didn't have them making their lunches until 6th grade, anyway.
This mom was just awful.
My mom was a single mom of 6 kids and she said she bought food for us to pack our own and sometimes paid our lunch, one year she went back and forth with the school saying she paid for our lunch when the school said she did not. We went without lunch. The middle children used to eat all the lunch food and hoard it. They used to steal our money from us too, which makes me think one of them took our lunch money from the school if mom had them pay for ours with their own. What this did, mind you, my twin and I both admitted to eating paper when young and getting food from teachers and other students, but I picked berries in the hedgerows for my grandpa when they were in season and he paid me market price per bag. I saved up and used that money to buy school lunch food and gave money to my twin when she asked for it. Meanwhile my middle born siblings still steal if they can and the older sister was breaking into my own home through a rear window to use the bathroom she would say but to also steal my jewelry. She smeared me as a drunk and drug addict when I never touched anything and would call me a wh*ore, when I am not. My older sister is a lifelong morbidly obese woman and my twin and I always thin... I expect as long as no accidents happen we will out live our nasty ass sister. I should have had her arrested when she was breaking into my home, but my mom would flip out when I told her I was going to. I moved to a break in proof home.
I watched the 20/20 special on this and came to the realization that R didn't want to go to the police station because he was planning on turning Ruby and Jodi in. He wanted to go there because they had told him that he was so evil that the abuse would stop only once he went to prison.
Imagine how bad it had to be for that baby to believe that he was the one who would be going to jail and to still choose that over living with those 2 hags. At one point he even told Ruby that he would rather have a glass of water than her as his mother. That's how thirsty and abused he was.
I saw the pictures and I have no doubt that had he not run away those kids would not have made it out alive. Ruby and Jodi should've gotten life.
OMG, the poor kids. That's beyond tragic....even hell is too merciful for such heinous ppl
Her journal says he told her he wanted to go to jail which she interpreted as him wanting to go for the air conditioned car ride!
You are absolutely right. 😢
I never watched the 20/20 special, but it didn’t even occur to me R. Was trying to go to prison to make the horrific abuse stop, your right he probably thought it would be his last chance to turn him self in before they were isolated in the Arizona dessert. What is the most disgusting thing is he was right, he would have been treated much better in prison. Prison is too good for those two pieces of garbage, they should be doing the night shift at some hard labour camp!!! I just hope that R and E are able to lead some sort of a normal life going forward, the ways this messed them up are unimaginable and going to cause lifelong problems. Since they gave the children a life sentence, I don’t think either of them should do less than the 30 year maximum.
You’re probably right, so sad, poor kid.
Husband was complicit and needs to be investigated
And the woman named Pam and her husband. Anyone involved in this cult needs investigating, there are probably more families doing the same in the name of their brainwashed beliefs.
Had to scroll waaaaay too long to find this comment.
He is weak...He failed to stand up a Psychopathic woman...He is clearly a broken man....She broke him....He is the lesser of the evils here...concentrate on the source.
You should check out some interviews from the men whose families were wrecked by Jodi. It’s wild how far she was able to remove fathers tangling her warped faith views to inforce it
@@bambie1830 As a man, I can’t believe he allowed this to happen . If I investigated this , I would insist on checking every communication from and to him for the period he was away. He is a weakling or a liar ( and complicit).
11:30 "the officers asked her for parenting tips"
Entirely possible they were fishing for abusive parenting, not that they wanted to emulate it
That's a great comment! Never thought of that. If so, they were geniuses. Perhaps they didn't find anything illegal at the time.
Questioning the children would certainly have gotten them nowhere. They wouldn't have said a thing. Bc for instance they all would have thought anything not likeable was their own fault. Like R. and E. were convinced of, but also the two teens seemed convinced of. Also: why would a child alarm the police under the nose of their mother?
When you've got a suspect talking, keep them talking! A slip of the tongue has sunk many a perp.
My retired cop husband
“Distortions” sound like something from Scientology
It sounds like they latched onto part of the phrase “cognitive distortions” which are real ways people gaslight themselves and cause confusion and other problems in their life, and raised them up to some religious significance.
It's actually a real thing from cognitive behavioral therapy that identifies distortions, e.g. "Everyone hates me", "I'm stupid." And there is empowerment in taking accountability for our emotions and reactions, but they've hijacked those ideas on their kids to blame the kids for the abuse and dismiss the kids' distress as "distortion."
Tbh it sounds like the mother's have unresolved issues either had been abused or fantasy of abuse from men/boys and took it out on the kids hence the "sex addition"
And Bill Gothard teachings. Gothard taught you have to discipline the devil out of kid and if you do that good enough they won’t ever sin.
( Leah Remini pokes her head into the room and nods)...
I can't get a woman to give me the time of day and people keep meeting their evil soulmates that will help them bury bodies in the woods and keep the secret to their graves.
Nice guys finish last.
A ( former ) attractive female friend started hanging out with a registered sex offender, convicted of raping two ten yr old girls.
Modern women are like that now.
You're better off without them.
You don't want that level of cray. I'm dating a guy that was in that type of relationship, and his ex got her meathooks into him super deep.
Be patient and focus on yourself. The woman you eventually find will be worth the wait. You don't really want the ones ignoring you.
You wont find her in the RUclips comments.
He would rather have a glass of water as a mother?
That is the most savage insult I have ever heard, props to the little man.
No, he said he'd rather have a glass of water than have her as a mother, as written about by Ruby Franke in her own diary. She would routinely deprive them of food and water for extended periods of time and she wrote about a lot of her own horrific acts of abuse in her own diary.
@@VioletE420 Thanks for drawing a distinction, where there is none, pedant.
lol, it's a pretty big distinction little guy, calm down
@@Inzane81 Only if you have Tism, little woman.
@@bobSeigar 🤏
This women was abusive long before she met her therapist. She just found a kindred spirit that can come along side her and validate her phyicotic abusive behavior.
The thing that also needs to be remembered that even though it wasn't as severe, Ruby was abusing her children out in the open for years before she ever met Jodi. Her husband was a part of that abuse, and he isn't any better of a person to leave the children with.
If Ruby believes that her children are responsible to what happened to them, then is not Ruby responsible for whatever she claims that her family did to her as a child? Why would she be yelling at her mother on the phone for 45 minutes? Sounds like Ruby doesn't really believe in taking full responsibility.
Ruby just wanted someone weaker than her to abuse.
Fr. Like her claims of her 3-year-old looking at pron. That would be on her as a parent as no 3-year-old knows what pron even is. How did the child get it? Who showed it to them? Where was she and why didn't she stop it?
Of course, I don't believe a word out of her lying mouth though. I think she made up that stuff to justify abusing her kids. Just like she and Jodi twisted the words of the bible to justify it.
Welcome to narcissism where everything is always someone else’s fault.
Never seen a woman take responsiblity ever.
@@LadyAmalthea0615exactly. A 3 yr old doesn’t even have a concept of anything sexual. If for any reason they are displaying sexual behaviors is because they were exposed to it by someone else and at that age, monkey see monkey do. How in the world would a 3 yr old get their hands on such material?
"Asking her for parenting tips" could have been a ploy to try and get her to admit what she's doing... though she's SOOOOOO narcissistic, that she WOULD believe that it was a genuine ask.
good thinking, you're right!
I had the same thought. They probably could tell she was very narcissistic so it would be a clever way to get her to confess to abusing the kids.
Or it’s entirely possible that’s exactly what happened- *HER OWN DAUGHTER* who had begun her freshman year at college, had called to request a welfare check on her younger siblings numerous times and each time they’d ’investigate’ never to return, until the next time she’d call. We all know how despicable these CPS agents are, and how easily they walk away from situations most would be horrified to see. Not to mention the number of times they’ve pushed to reunite families after horrifying incidents only to have the same innocents become the ultimate victims.
Good call.
Either that, or it never happened and it was just something she made up to try to defend her parenting approach in the face of such criticism.
“He did that to himself” was probably the most delusional part of this whole thing. I hope this lady realizes whats she actually did to those kids while. She has time to think about it in jail. I hope it haunts her like it will the kids.
Ruby sounded like she only cared about how SHE was Tricked in this, not how she treated her Kids. She was a Monster before and is STILL a Monster, this just make her Worse.
Just listening to her talk, her facial movements, body language. You can tell there's something seriously off with this chick. I wouldn't want to be alone with her, much less be in charge of kids.
Actually yeah, cps agents will ask for parenting advice, they assume that you will self report abuse
That's a great way to affirm a narcissisist. 😬
These were police officers from what I understand, but yeah CPS is always going got people to self-report if they can. It makes their job way easier. Most kids won't report it themselves or if fear unfortunately..
That’s an interesting tactic. I’ve never heard of this but it makes perfect sense. With that context It’s really funny how she laughed about it and assumed they thought she was such an amazing mom that they needed her advice.
My guess is IF they asked that, it is like when someone is being interrogated and the cops ask "So why do you think you are here?" to see if the person opens up about what they wanted to do. I am doubtful of her story though just given her, er, history!
I was raised Mormon but am now agnostic i can say this behavior is NOT typical for people of the LDS faith and she is undeniably evil. One of the core tenants is the defence and care of all those in need especially children. Evil people exist in every group and ALWAYS give others a bad name by existing.
For every woke parent there's a religious counterpart.
Ideology is Ideology, and they all have their bad apples.
Same here, even served a mission and in several positions after. Haven't attended church in decades but hold no animosity towards the church or it's members, these people did not live by LDS teachings in any way.
Same, but not agnostic. I’m 100% Christian. Religion tends to spoil your connection with Christ/God, creating a fake hierarchy of authority between you and God.
Almost threw out the baby Jesus with the baptismal font water. Don’t! He is real and loves you.
Yeah. I typically find Mormons intolerable because they are goodie two shoes, not because they are monsters. This is a whole weird thing for sure.
@@GLoLChibs well said!! Ideology - when taken to extremes and put above reality, common sense, and relationships - becomes a problem.
Dad is complicit. The fact that he did NOTHING is criminal.
+ they said it had been going on for what.. at least 4 years and he said “I haven’t seen them in over a 1” + the “woe is me” boo hoo song he gave after he got the same malicious treatment for ONLY 1 MONTH and he was out of the house!! He wasn’t even being sliced up as the kids were. How on EARTH could he think that that was okay for them to do that then! So yeah, you are absolutely right. Him trying to cop out and blame the wife as if he didn’t know is a blatant lie and couldn’t even take the “treatment” himself. The f’ing audacity of this man 🤬
(Ps glad I found others who also talks about the holes in the husbands story because it’s not just the two she-demons!) complete agree with you… and now I’ll stop before I begin to foam at the mouth in rage 😬
Wow, parents who think that children eating dinner is a privilege are shocked when those same children begin to rebel. How crazy is that!! 😒😒
I hate to to break it to you but access to basic needs is a privilege that we should praise God for. We aren’t owed anything. Obviously this chick is criminal and belongs in prison but we should all be grateful for everything we have and are given. Entitlement is not a virtue
Ruby Franke does not deserve the title of mother.
Bingo
And maybe she isn't a mother. Things aren't always what they seem. Mormons say their Christian but then worship symbols you can see them on the temples such as the star of Baphomet. Yes if you look up the statue of Baphomet you will see this star prominently displayed. And on top of the temple door you will see the same symbol. Anybody in witchcraft will tell you that this is the most powerful symbol on Earth. This symbols main objective is deception. 1 triangle going up representing the male and creation. And one triangle pointing down representing the female and destruction. And the Mormon Church actually uses this star to represent Elohim. Which is not only one of the names for Baphomet but also for Lucifer. It's also the star of the represents transgender or gender fluidity. Now look at her throat when she talks. And I know you say but she has children. Does she? That's not possible to fake things like this. Like it or not people lie to you everyday and you believe it, you've been trained to believe what the government, and religion, etcetera... tell you. It's okay to be stupid. I'm very stupid. But I'm becoming less stupid every day. Is the first way is not believing what people tell me and doing the work myself to find out what the truth is. And I warn you the truth is a hard pill to swallow. Because you first have to unlearn everything you have learned. And if you think that Mormons are great you can also find many many videos of people that are Mormons is that a transgender and married in the temple. They brag about how they got run over on the man. When it's the man that still is getting something over on them every day. They know the truth when they come through the temple. And they clear it to make sure that they're going to get through. And they make a big deal out of women not being able to get the priesthood. Also this can be done in the temple for a price.
Nope, and her sudden change of tone. Thats just due to she knows she will go down and if shes not repenting its like attempted murder. Ruby would get 25-life probably. So now shes an angel…🤮
”Hell spawn” might be more fitting tittle tbh.
Many such cases
Rubi was a dumpster fire of a parent. Jodi then came in and added a few tons of say napalm, agent orange, cobalt-60, white phosphorus, and thioacetone to the pile.
That sir is an insult to chemical warfare.
I have said it a thousand times. They are both equal in evil. Ruby only joined with Jody because she aligned with her evil.
Ugh, thioacetone, stinky. Thankfully there was no chlorine triflouride.
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 Well the metaphor calls for Ruby to be prime source of ignition to this mess. Ruby is anything but blameless here.
This is a great thread. Well done boys
What I’m worried about now is all the followers on her site. How many of them were swayed and convinced that they too should be doing this to their own children? Also, what happened to the husband. He’s not innocent. He did nothing for his children and I hope he does not have custody.
Exactly
I have been a member of the LDS Church my entire life, and I'm a proud boomer. I have NEVER NEVER EVER heard of the term distortion in connection with the teachings or any conceptual context in my entire life. We do not believe in original sin. A child comes into this world perfect and holy. This is apostasy at it's finest.😢
Underrated comment, I hope more people see this! I can back this up completely.
Original sin is a bedrock of Christianity. The meager logic and rationalism of man does not supersede divine law, nor does the unfortunate heresy of Joseph Smith. No adult or child in this world is both perfect and holy. A simple baptism is sufficient to free us from the sin of Adam. The narcissism of Joseph Smith is not. Regardless, I am not the Creator, only a humble messenger. I pray that your strange cult will be redeemed in His eyes when Judgement Day arrives.
@ginfidel we find that the belief of Original Sin, especially as it regards to children, is horrifying. For children and babies, under the age of eight who do not even have the capacity to formulate sin is ridiculous. We believe that Adam and Eve made a choice to leave the Garden so that man could be created. It's Christ's sacrifice through the Atonement, that makes baptism the miracle that it is. All must follow in His footsteps. Original Sin completely overrides the principle of Free Will/Agency. What mercy is there in Original Sin? Anyone regardless of place, age, time, or opportunity is not eligble for paradise if they have not been baptized. Where's the mercy? This is where we differ from other denominations. That and our understanding of the Godhead. Wow, that's a mind bender. God be with you. ❤
@@jenniferpulley6039- I don't care how you find it - the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked. The word of God declared what truth is, and the book of Mormon and Joseph Smith's teachings are in direct conflict with actual revelation.
I'll take the words of Jesus Christ over Joseph Smith every single day, and twice on Sundays. Minimum straight-up teaches polytheism, the original lie of Satan ("ye shall be as gods"), and an original, foundational teaching was racism until it was removed from the "perfect" teachings.
Read the Bible. Learn what truth actually is.
I'd like to address those who are prone to attack the LDS Church out of habit. Let me clarify my position on the germane topic of these two psychos. Nothing in their warped sense of reality has ANYTHING to do with the practices and teachings of the LDS Church or my point. JH and RF we very sick people. It sounds like DCF and the local law enforcement were remiss in their responsibilities.
"My KiDs ConfEssed" Amazing what people will admit to when You torture them. 30 years is a slap on the wrist when compared to the crimes.
It’s Soviet tactics all over again- like something straight out of the book 1984. People will admit to anything once you break them.
A search warrant is never needed for exigent circumstances, like children in distress. Most thankfully.
I believe you are right, that's how another case of child abuse was uncovered when cops arrived to a house after one of the kids escaped and called the cops, they showed up and simply walked inside while telling them it was just a checkup for kid's wellbeing or something like that, they rescued many kids that day, it was a bitter sweet video cuz they were being treated badly but at the same time the video shows them being rescued.
@@Unknown-us3iiwas that the Turpins?
@@hees0009 maybe, I don't remember.
The 911 call from the neighbor always tears me up.
Something else extremely disturbing is that child services has been called out there multiple times. Why hadn't anything been done? Shouldn't these people be held accountable as well? Both Ruby and Jodie are Evil. Kevin should also be held accountable. If he actually cared about those kids, he would have contacted the authorities.
I took a couple of training courses required for teaching, and one of them was about how to report signs of abuse. The program stressed that CPS only removes children as a last resort. Unfortunately, that means that until then the only thing they can do is build a paper trail until they have a strong enough case
Evil has no gender.
Moronic tik tok addicts and twitter cops would try and have us believe otherwise, lmfao
"Her" is the gender.
Sorry.
I have been a truck driver for 30 years and there is a personality trait that I have noticed, it's called "everyone is stupid except for me". This is the sense I get when I hear her talk. The thing about her kid forgetting her lunch well she needs to be punished. She forgot these are kids and kids do stupid things. That's why we call them kids and not adults. She acts like every mistake her kids make is an act of defiance against her personally. I don't understand why with parents it's either this level of control and discipline or the parents buying beer for 10 year olds. You need a happy medium.
Kid was too busy following the mornings outrageous demands to fulfill the already daily outrageous demands.
Wondering if she has the sense of sociopathic control that every dictator ever has had. I think she wanted her kids to not meet her demands because she likes punishing them and for her to instill fear and just overall control over them. In one vid i saw some other youtuber cover she states she's not happy because she's not where she wants to be in life. She even tried to control the school her kids went to. She's just completely insane.
@jimijamesjowitt Also, this was a very young girl! Six years old at the time I believe. The vast majority of parents would be making a six year old's lunch and packing in their backpacks, or handing it to them to do so, not expecting them to carry out all these tasks themselves. I believe Ruby had impossibly high standards and expectations in order to have excuses to abuse her kids.
The parents in that happy medium aren't being talked about because they are making fewer mistakes 😅
I know the personality type you're talking about. Extremely annoying!
The scariest thought is how many followers and views they got. How many other families are like this out there that aren't caught yet?
One thing that occurred to me is that maybe the reason Ruby bought into Jodi's manipulation was because Jodi was saying things Ruby wanted to hear. By projecting all the fault onto the kids, Ruby could have all the power and none of the responsibility. Which might also be why she kicked out her husband as someone who might overrule her.
The husband sounds like he was never going to overrule her in a million years - she had all the power in the household. What kind of person puts up with being told when they can enter their own home, or when they can eat, or being told that parts of their home are now off limits to them?
I'm guessing it was the success of their RUclips channel and associated sponsorships that paid for the house, and as the driving force behind that channel she probably reminded him of this every time he tried to stand up to her.
Note-To-Self;
*Social Media* Was a Mistake...
Hammers were a mistake
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
Hominids were a Mistake
It did exactly what it was designed to do. Going along with it was the mistake.
Jodi Hildebrandt was a mistake.
Which one is the Tattoo Person ?
I understand that it’s not the Child rens mom. Are these two Les-be-friends or just con-spirators?
Conspirators.
Horrific cases of child abuse like this just make me more grateful I grew up with good parents.
Same
Born & raised in Mormon culture. Felt like a Guinea pig lost in a maze REQUIRED to obey, pay & prey/pray. Conned Cult parents SUCK!!
Turns out Jodie is the one with all the demons... never take relationship counceling from someone who has no successful relationships!
Jody had been an enormous part of the Franke family for years. They were taking advice from her. It was her idea to send Chad to Anasazi. You can tell by the way Ruby started punishing her kids, when Jody became a big part of their lives.
THESE TWO WITCHES TORTURED THEIR CHILDREN NEAR TO DEATH!! and Ruby had the AUDACITY to say about the rescued children "they don't need hospital, that's soo unnecessary". I'm so freaking livid!!! BOTH OF THEM DESERVE PRISON FOR THE REST OF THEIR MISERABLY LIVES 😡
I agree! I saw the wounds on the boy before the pics were taken down. He had two full thickness cuts about half an inch apart encircling both wrists. The skin was a sickly white and looked wet and rotten. I wondered if he’d need grafts. On his ankles he had cuts as well, one of them looking like it was near a half inch deep. Seeing it made me sick to my stomach.
As a gentleman and uncle I can’t describe my anger at this as YT will remove it.
I’ll say this they fear the devil, they haven’t met him.
Narcissism at it's finest.
Prison is too much of a luxury. Take them out back.
she will get no time in prison.
This is absolutely disgusting. They need to stay in prison indefinitely. Lock the door and throw away the key and treat them exactly how they treated these poor children. The father should be in prison as well.
We use to have asylum's for the unwell for these people, but apparently now we just allow them out on the street to sacrifice children until they make themselves feel better?
Not sure how that works.
oh...t hey need to be taped and not fed.... their crime is so horrendous!
The father should not be given custody before he gets REAL therapy. He obviously still thinks that what was done to his family was exceptable.
@@darrekworkman5595
“Exceptable” isn’t a word, fyi. ;)
@darrekworkman5595 nope. The wife literally has all the power to do whatever she wants to the kids and keep her husband from them. Do you not understand how little men have in relation to the custody of their children. All the women has to do is allege something happened with 0 evidence and boom. Good luck ever seeing your kids.
Pam and her husband were more concerned about neighbors watching and talking about them than the condition of the children .
Id never heard of these people until it was everywhere but I can say she sickens me. How could anyone stomach her. My heart just cries for her children. OMG
I lived in a heavily Mormon neighborhood growing up in California, and they all had great, caring parents. My best friend for nearly a decade was a Mormon kid living next door. I don’t think this type of behavior has anything to do with Mormonism. It has to do with a demented RUclips personality who is self-absorbed and cruel. I’m surprised it took so long to expose her.
I am a Mormon and yes that type of behavior has nothing to do with our believes. Although I can see how easily they manipulated our believes to gain control over others. Like we all believe that we should avoid porn, but men brains naturally want to see a naked woman. so her "therapy" abusing that small temptation into making the father think that he had a porn addiction to separate him from his family... That's sadly an easy way to manipulate us Mormons
Yeah I was going to say something similar, since I am a member. The church strongly emphasizes the importance of loving family relationships, and I think the result of that is plain to see in many LDS families like my own. But, good teachings and positive guidance unfortunately don't always stop psychos from being psycho.
Thank you.
The church absolutely allows for abusive behavior. My best friends father, growing up, reeked havoc on the family with financial abuse and cheating all while the church condoned his behavior. Chad and Lori Daybell amoung other cases? This seems to be a hot bed of religious zealotry and an explanation for terrible abuse.
The behavior is a blend of narcissism (pathological, not colloquial), and extreme religious beliefs. Very dangerous combo. All cults are this way- the leaders have narcissistic personality disorder and their beliefs are just as extreme as their personality. Lori Vallow and Chad daybell are other examples. Utah Mormons are also way more extreme than cali Mormons. My ex husbands family is Mormon and the here fairly normal but still very religious. Just not weirdos about it.
I loved seeing Jodi’s scared shitless look on her face from the cops’ badge cam videos when they showed up at her dungeon. She knew she was in BIG trouble.
Those poor poor kids. I really hope they get adopted parents that treat them with the love and comfort and healing they deserve.
that was a heartbreaking story. this level of stupidity and cruelty on so many levels by so many people
is hard to understand.
the trauma that leaves in the kids will last their lifetime, ask me how i know - i am 55 now.. and my parents were not THAT bad....
Ruby is appalled that she believed Jodi, but she’s not horrified at the harm she caused her children.
Typical narcissist thinking.
@@sarahtedesco8927I agree. She also impressed the prosecutor and everyone by love bombing them - very typical narcissistic behavior. They don’t recognize it because they’re in it.
She was abusing her kids before she met Jodi. She wasn’t shocked by anything. She’s just a manipulating POS.
Ruby stated it succinctly at 19:37 when mock elbowing Jodi - "It didn't hurt me, I don't know why it hurt you."
She needs to confront her own distortions to recognize the truth.
Ah, the old "We are the only ones in all the world who know the truth." The arrogance of these two. Poor kids
The bible has a lot to answer for.
@@barbh1Mormons don't follow the Bible, learn your facts
@@barbh1nowhere in the Bible will you find Mormon teaching or any other cult teachings. They use the Bible to gain authority but only over those who don't read it themselves.. just like anyone can use something to gain power, it has nothing to do with the actual teachings in the bible
@@Skepticismistheway Yep 100%
@@barbh1What does the Bible have to do with this? Ruby is explicitly anti-Christian.
Hearing Jessie Hildebrandt talk about her experiences broke my heart. This is monstrous behavior from her aunt. I hate the fact that people like this exist. How can they be so heartless and nasty to the people who need them.
It also makes me sad because as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I know there are people who will take this story and claim all of the members of my faith are like this when that is completely untrue. We strongly believe in loving others and taking care of our families. There is no such thing as "forcing the sin out." These people are absolutely disgusting!
A person is incapable of learning what they think they already know... A mind is a terrible thing to waste... Thank you, Sydney, for doing what most of us are unwilling to do. Keep shining the light~!
This was about to become a situation similar to Chad Daybell/Lori Vallow. These are NOT mainstream Mormon beliefs. I'm so glad these children were rescued. What a brave boy!
That's what I was reminded of too. Thank God all of these kids are alive yet.
Check the recent Mormon stories podcast..these are absolutely mainstream Mormon beliefs
@Saruska323 yep I listened to that...I'm not a Utah mormon, never exposed to some of those ideas. Maybe that's why I view these things as extremist, not mainstream.
@@Saruska323yeah, locking your kids in rooms And starving your kids isn't mainstream belief. Nor is it taught anywhere in the church.
@@Saruska323@Saruska323 Mormon stories podcast is a bunch of extremely biased people who left the LDS church (or were excommunicated) and spend the rest of their lives trying to find individuals that experienced pain in the church and claiming that's the norm. It's not. They're so full of it. They try so hard to justify leaving the church that they often are willing to make it up completely and/or rely on ridiculously biased sources. 90% of the people on that podcast that claim they were "high up" leaders in the church or have "insider knowledge" describe things in ways that are easily disprovable by your own research proving them to be outright liars. And what's worse is that no one bothers to check. Utah is a unique beast, I agree. I lived in Ogden and SLC for a while and I'm very aware of how messed up some of those people are who claim to be practicing members with bizarre behaviors or beliefs. But it does not change the fact that claiming Ruby and her puppet master are following LDS doctrine with this nonsense is an outright lie. Prove it. Show me where we teach abuse. Show me where we teach that you should take away a child's agency by force and punish them to Pavlov them into submission. Our doctrine specifically states otherwise.
Hubby knows much more than he's letting on.
Oh I bet he's got some dark secrets on her. But probably won't say anything because it would rope him into this even further. He's a fucking coward all the same.
Reminder that children cannot properly sin, they do not understand the consequences of their actions, and they have innocence.
As sad as it is that it happened, it’s so helpful that Ruby kept a journal detailing all of this. Great for evidence!
Honestly, I'll be surprised if Netflix doesn't do a doc on this story. I believe what happened with the Franke children is just the tip of the iceberg of the things Jodi has done.
I thought they did. Maybe it was on HBO.
Some of her other victims have been on Mormon stories podcast
I hope Netflix does do a documentary on them. I am waiting for someone to write a book!
ABC's 20/20 recently made an Episode, It's on Hulu and Disney+ (Who cares Disney Anyways tho?)
@@angelirohival6270
You just reminded me that I really need to cancel that subscription. I haven’t watched Netflix in probably two years now, and feel stupid for supporting such a piece of sh** company all this time.
What got me about Pam Bodtcher is she causally told the police that Ruby's 2 middle girls (both teenagers) were cleaning her house. As though it is completely normal to have 2 underage, unrelated girls staying with you as unpaid workers.
Were they unpaid? My sister and I cleaned houses as young to mid teens. It was good experience, and a good easy to earn money with flexible hours as a student. But we were paid ...
@@hees0009 I agree, and me too. A great way to earn money.
@@hees0009
While explaining to the cop they were there to clean because she was having guests arrive, she mentioned ice cream as if that was the reward.
But it looked to me like she was trying to be very careful while she was sizing up the situation.
If I was hand cuffed and loaded into a police vehicle while learning my friends were arrested for child cruelty, I would not be so cool because I have no knowledge of or am part of any such thing.
She on the other hand seemed to be playing dumb, squinting, while thinking fast fast fast.
Giving a mother 30 years for child abuse is so uncommon that I can’t even imagine how bad it must have been for them to actually sentence them both for it.
I was abused with the use of the "Captain's chair"...sitting against the wall with no chair, arms out until the tendons were strained...so glad they got busted.
The Niece also revealed that Jodi had said if she was to have a sexual relationship with a female, that it would be ok, because is from love.. Notice how time goes by Ruby was sitting close and hanging all over Jodi on the videos, especially the 10 mom's videos...Rubys husband got pushed out and said that Ruby & Jodi Slept in same bed together as he was confined to basement, by Ruby and Jodi...(SO WIERD) ..
OMG ... 😮
The husband said ruby and jodi slept in the same bed ..because jodi was having visions
Interesting… That’s not the usual mormon rhetoric!! Sounds like she was trying to build Jodi’s world
🤮
There's another comment somewhere below where someone says the father of this family should have been the central focus of the investigation instead of the mother, which seems weird to me - not that I think the father isn't a problem too, because he absolutely should have known that something awful was happening to the children in his own home and absolutely should have intervened.
BUT, it's pretty clear to me as well that the women in this story where the ones who held the authority in some weird way, and the comments from the children and family and even the men accused of prawn addiction strongly point to the women being the ones in control of the situation, and the father -and at least some of the other men - falling into line behind them with "in-home separations", letting their wives, the therapist, and church authorities take the lead on decision-making on who sleeps with who and where, and so on.
Make no mistake, the father should have stood up and said or done something, and is complicit by essentially giving these women his consent to abuse his children, if not actively participating in it himself (which is possible, though I didn't hear anything in this video to suggest it happened), but this was some weird sort of matriarchy, and it's as brutal as anything you'd expect from a dysfunctional and abusive patriarchy.
With that in mind, and given the weird witch-hunt-like obsessions these women had with accusing their husbands, sons, and even toddlers of supposed prawn addiction, and the girls with enjoying the use of feminine hygiene products a little too much, and with weird sleeping arrangements and so on, it wouldn't surprise me if there were some really strange relationships and contacts between these women and the children, including the female children. There was definitely something off in the family dynamics there, and a "distortion" (to borrow their term) in any healthy attitudes toward adult intimacy and the natural process of growing up.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that, counter to what we might expect from a normally male-dominated religious family, it's the women in this story who are setting very strange boundaries for "intimacy", and those boundaries are extremely invasive into the children's lives, while isolating and emasculating the men in this story.
I don't think Sydney is wrong that the therapist might have been helping to direct and lead this dynamic in that community, and again, the husband was absolutely part of the problem by not intervening in any way he could or should have, but it's the mother who was "wearing the pants" in that arrangement, and absolutely the one in control there - the investigation focused on the right person, but the investigation absolutely should not stop with the mother, the therapist knew what she was doing, the father should have done more to protect the children, and this isn't the only family of victims of the bigger "cult" problem that Sydney can sense at work under the surface of this case.
I don't think "cult" is quite the right word here: I don't think the "therapist" was in a "cult leader" position, per se, but rather in the position of empowering some very sick people to become self-motivated, self-actualized monsters and terrors within their own homes... this "therapy" seems like a family-level, miniature, do-it-yourself cult-factory more than a cult in and of itself! You, too, can be a cult leader within your own home, in 12 easy steps!
Evil has a self-righteous smile
I was a part of a new agey cult that did the same thing- everything is your fault not theirs- of course using their specialty terminology which I refuse to use. What’s dangerous is they take a few good things and then weave them into dangerous abusiv stuff. Still makes my stomach queasy though its been a decade.
This is one of the saddest and most depressing videos you've ever produced. Thank you.
I'm glad there was a "happy" ending as far as the children being saved and their monster of a Mother...which sullies the name of monsters everywhere...is rotting in prison. I'm not at all surprised that she blames her children. Hopefully, one day she'll realize just how horrible a human being she is.
Wait. Was that a 911 dispatcher who was patient, empathetic, kind, and helpful??!!?!
Give that woman a raise! She just won the game of life!
I watch enough prison channels to confidentally say she is getting shanked in prison. The guards will let it happen. Women who abuse their kids become the abused in prison. Even in protective custody those 2 ladies are not safe. if the dad gets locked up he will get dealt with as well.
@JD5150 surely has done a short about them? *edit @JdDelay5150
There can be no irony greater than when those two women called out people for whom truth is subjective and based on how you feel. Such a complete lack of self-awareness is unfathomable.
Thanks SW for taking the time to research this....people need to raise awareness about this.
I was one such person that the Australian Bureau of Statistics never came near...
I was tortured for 20 years, receiving an estimated total of 80,000 smacks with an octopus strap, 20k of that was in one day in late 1997
My parents were Pentecostals they took the Bible literally, spare the rod, spoil the child.
I escaped when I was 21,
I reconnected with extended family. And discovered my sis had a black eye at 3months old....church members had raised concerns with the elders, but Dad talked his way out of it ..
Over the years I have received all kinds of punishments including being denied meals, intense bearings, being throttled, swung around and let go, having a shoulder injured, bone bruised
And thousands and thousands and thousands of smacks
15 years after we broke out, my sister is a narcissist, and I am a super empath on a personal crusade to raise awareness of coercive control, narcissism and break the cycle
💔
I'm so sorry you went through that. I hope you have found peace and are in a healthy place now. ❤
Hallelujah.
You escaped.
We pray for your beautiful hurting sister💞
@@Angela-bk7yp all due respect, it is Christianity that we escaped from
I would like for them to spend their prison time "in distortion".
This was rough for me. I have a strong physical and mental constitution. That changes when children are involved. As a Father, Kevin Franke makes me sick, but his wife and Jodi make me want to go medieval. Those kids will end up being okay, but when they become adults, it might be very difficult for them to trust anyone. How do you trust anyone when your parents, who are supposed to protect you and love you more than anyone on the planet, hurt and allow you to be hurt in such brutal ways, both mentally and physically? it breaks my heart.
Like you said trust issue is the biggest difficulty to overcome; speaking from personal experience. Because of it you are always more distant from the world then the average person, even if it may not show.
I'm glad you've done a deep dive into all of her previous concerning beliefs and behaviors. The irony of her arrogance and "distortion", to use her own words, when that's what she was always accusing those poor kids of. She was always very problematic, controlling and manipulative, as was the husband, well before she met Jodi.
Wow I was just checking this case a couple days ago. Thanks for explaining in detail. I pray that the children are ok and well 🙏🏻.
The paradox of these individuals being so obsessed with combating imagined evil while being exemplars of true evil themselves is striking. We can only hope that these children will have much better luck going forward and gain some measure of perspective on their hellish childhoods so that their lives will not end up ruined..
Well said
Isn't the husband just as culpable as the wife? He clearly knows what was being done to those kids but either did nothing, or actively participated in the abuse.
That's what I couldn't figure out ... where was dad??
Ikr? People have been saying that for a little bit now
It doesn't help that his his lawyer has basically been doing a big media tour to clear his name or something mostly unprompted which doesn't exactly scream innocent.
That abusing coward is playing the "brain washed "card .. mental abuse .
Yet .. he did not once ask about or check on the children .
He was probably already being abused every day too.
My ex was similar to these women.
Now my kids stuck with her after she attacked me and was removed by police.
Then ran the courts with the Im scared cause he might do something.
Whilst swatting my house every night.
I personally believe the father's either an utter pussy-whooped moron, a conniving snake, or both. He claims he was separated from his family and had no contact with his kids, which I call bullshit. He's the fucking father and husband, and this is suppose to be Mormon family where you'd think the father would hold all the authority. The fact that he didn't even try to know what was happening to his kids is inexcusable. He is still responsible for the well-being of his damn family, so he absolutely should be just as culpable as Ruby. Even before the separation, he enabled their shitty treatment of their kids.
I absolutely LOVE the way you present these stories...and your coffee vs "violent impulses!" 😅
What these women did is in no way representative of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches. Quite the opposite. Child abuse is a sin and a crime. The church urges us to report this to the authorities if we become aware of it.
The closet the little girl (9) was in was NOT the safe that was in the basement. The Franke's met Jodi the therapist in LATE 2018 when Jodi became their oldest son's therapist which means that the little girl (the youngest) was 4 years old. Jodi did therapy with the parents more than their oldest son which is when the abuse esclated. (When two sadists meet they get approval from each other, especially when one is a therapist.) What most RUclipsrs do Not realize is that Jodi was in the Franke's life way earlier than they think. It has been said by Kevin Franke many times that Jodi came into their lives in Late 2018. So many of Ruby's mothering was from Jodi. BUT that doesn't mean that Ruby wasn't already making her kids miss meals and regularly threatened her kids. She did. BUT again Jodi's sadist nature encouraged Ruby's sadist nature so the two youngest children got the worst of their mother. Also, I just want to say that the Son, R, the youngest son was a HERO, who after two previous escape attempts, finally escaped and got help for everyone. (Note of the accusations that the kids were doing inappropriate things to other kids... Jodi told children & parents that putting stuffed animals on your bed means that you are doing things that are sexual. I do NOT believe that the kids did inappropriate things to anyone.) I think Jodi made up strange things like stuffed animals are sexual a lot....so the family saying that Ruby made things up makes since when you know that Jodi shamed people for normal innocent things people do and made them really bad. Shame control.
Jodi has been harming children and families for years. Ruby is where she finally got caught.
Listening to the 911 call and hearing that man cry breaks me every. Single. Time.
34:20 It is absolutely ironic that Jodi claims to want to "remove distortion" and yet has the same diagnosis for all of her male patients.
Imho, ruby was already abusive minded. Jodi gave her justification. Kevin was a go along guy who didn't want to cross his wife. Him being so weak enabeld the situation.
Whats he gonna do to stop her punch her in the face? Jodi sent him out of the house.
Kevin is a weak and pathetic man, that goes without saying and we can see that in the earlier videos, but the situation is a mix of a faith that says the woman runs the home as well as Jodi's evil control. We can see Jodi's evil games in the case of poor Adam Steed, a man who's life was ruined by Jodi in the past, all because he spoke out against CSA in the Mormon church. Kevin COULD have saved his children, but he's also a victim, so it's complicated with him.
I think Ruby had this in her the whole time- having Connections behind her just helped her (ridiculously) rationalize the abuse to herself. “See? I’m not wrong. This person ALSO says I’m not wrong!”
This is enraging. These children will probably never be the same.
They'll have abandonment issues. They'll have trust issues.
These poor kids! It's not their fault which house they're born into.
Good Lord. The lunch thing got me. My Mother coached me at the beginning of every year: "What do you do if you forget your lunch bag or lunch money?" Us together: "*CHARGE!!!* One time my cousin forgot to grab his lunch bag (which she got up early to pack, mind you) on the way to day summer camp. Mom drove back to the park and left it on the door knob of the rec center we used as our home base because we were out on a hike. The male counselor said to my cousin, "Well, you've got a nice aunt!" Even if she didn't notice he forgot his bag I would have shared my lunch with him. Ruby saying "I hope no one shares their lunch with her" is the most un-Christian sentiment. You're not just punishing your kid, you're punishing the people who want to help your kid. If I was the teacher, I would have said, "Screw you lady. I'm making sure the kid gets a lunch."
Ruby’s behavior before she met Jodie is a brand of self-affirming narcissism that I resent, because I survived it myself. My mom would fill up my bed with dirty dishes if I forget to wash the dishes before I went to sleep, so I couldn’t get a good night’s sleep because I was curled up in a ball. If I got in trouble, she took something out of my room, and kept going until I had nothing left, not even curtains on the windows. Then she tells me that none of that would be happening if I would just behave, as if it was all my fault. I was 9.
Yup - if you were just PERFECT, she wouldn't have to abuse you! My poor, overwhelmed Dad repeated "She's your mother" (he believed that gave her the right to be abusive), that I swore I'd never have kids long before I reached age 10. I'm now in my 60s and realizing what I missed because of her viciousness & narcissism.
taking stuff out of your room isnt abuse lol. the dishes might be over the top but taking away toys that can be earned back is pretty normal. in fact you sound pretty entitled if you werent even helping around the house
@@nefariouspersephone9447 I agree taking things away isn't abuse. You aren't entitled to have stuff unless it's basics like clothes and warm and clean bed. Putting dishes in bed seems like a lot of work and disgusting so that's pretty extreme. But labeling every punishment or consequence as abuse is absurd.
You better believe my kids lose electronics, phone and certain toys and stuff when the behavior merits it. It's so far from from abuse.
It's not about perfection (maybe it was for the posters mother, but it isn't for me). It's about realizing that behavior has consequences.
@@nefariouspersephone9447taking stuff out the room till nothing is left including curtains is way too much. Might not be abuse but definitely a questionable way to parent.
Seems like there's some parents trying to justify their abuse in these replies
Jodie was Rubie oldest son's therapist before he was sent to the rehab camp. The woman where the girls were staying at is also tied to Connexions. Probably 3rd in command. She is in almost every picture of the Connexions Vacations. On top of that, Rubie's husband mentions her name specifically during interrogation. That she was there during many of Jodie's "visions".
Great work Sydney. This is truly harrowing.
As a mother of two pudding people myself, I can't even wrap my head around withholding food as punishment. Eating is NOT a privilege, it is a RESPONSIBILITY as a parent or caretaker to feed your children.
That teacher contacting them that she felt "uncomfortable" about their child not having food is also outrageous. Any teacher who do not help feed a hungry student with no lunch is complicit in the torturous treatment.
I am utterly sickened by this story.. These people do not love their children, and the obsession with "porn addiction" is quite the disturbing detail..
Jodie destroyed many families. Ruby came in later and ruined her only family and probably others. I live in Utah and find these woman to be disgusting. 🤢
About 19:20: Their individual "truths" are not truths, but their perceptions. If you commit an illegal act because of your own false "perception", that does not change the truth that you did an illegal act. Otherwise known as folks nowadays refuse to accept responsibility for their own stupidity.
Perfectly stated, Howard. I wish more ppl could understand this.
My kids mom got sent to one of those camps. She's got some crazy stories about what they put her through there. Like forcing them to hike through the desert inside of their sleeping bags. She also had to shit in a bag and carry it with her the entire time.
Ruby's diary entries about her two small kids while they were tortured by her and Jodi... The most horrifying stuff, that should be contained to fiction.
That doggy! The “levity” was just the adorable break I needed from this rough story:(
Fun fact: I grew up in the town that Ruby and her husband filmed 8 Passengers in (Springville, not Ivans where the most abuse was inflicted under Jody’s watch.)
My parents are Mormon; but just the kindest, most loving, salt of the earth people. And though my sisters and I have chosen different paths, they clearly love us, are so good to us, and welcome us home with open arms. What Ruby has done isn’t indicative of most of the Mormons I know at all, I have to say.
i haven't yet heard anyone point out that Ruby and Jodi are living in delusion and not accepting responsibility for their disfunctional lives - just what they were teaching others to do.
This is what I was thinking. I hope they are miserable all 30+ years
Ruby and Jodie were lovers.
It's got that vibe.
Ruby’s husband said, all her life she was always so desperate to be accepted, be “in” with the current in crowd. Is there a name for that? Insecure? Delusional?