How This Bike Company is Changing the Gravel Bike Experience
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Gravel riding and racing is changing fast and this small UK company is shaking up the gravel industry with its range of bikes. Get an inside look at their philosophy, the bikes and much more.
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No UDH - that’s why they have to make all those ads on RUclips. Customers are not blind…
As another commenter mentioned. It’s made to work with SRAM but no UDH? It’s already dated on that alone.
Edit: and I just saw it’s a PF BB. I know not everyone wants threaded but it’s def a consideration for me.
@@LifeCycle1978 I agree that UDH would be nice. I note that all the complete bikes come with Token Ninja BB's. I use these without drama on my own PF spec bikes.
It's made to work with SRAM without cable ports but no UDH? 😂 That's an instant deal breaker.
Thank you Dave for a very well presented video and everyone’s comments and debate. Over the last week it’s been interesting for me to view the range of comments and debate and offer some replies. Comparing Vielo to other brands posted here: I will let you make your mind up and choose what is suitable for you and your type of riding. I can present how and why we do our thing. Price: Always a point for debate and comment. Especially with the current global oversupply of stock and brands trying to clear their inventory. There will always be somebody trying to sell cheaper. Since Vielo moved to consumer direct, we are in a similar ball park to other consumer direct price if you compare spec for spec. But I know our customer service, including bike fitting is far beyond what other consumer direct brands offer. UDH: Right now, there are still updates from Shimano for their standard of rear mech fittings. We are finalising these details, before we commit to a system that will accommodate all types of rear mech fitting for the future. Our goal is to have these details finalised soon, test the system and roll out on our frames middle of 2025, subject to any other industry standards changes. Have a great weekend and keep tapping it out.
A note about those Terra Hardpack 50mm tyres. They're not strictly 50mm, in my opinion.
I ran them on 25mm internal 650b rims, the sidewall carcass is 50mm at it's widest point but the actual tread around the perimeter measures around 47mm.
The result, if running at low pressures, the sidewall is in regular contact with the ground, either side of the 47mm tread.
Holy christ. $8k aud for just the frameset. That's SL8 Expert (Rival AXS) money.
Your comment saved me 32 minutes of watching the rest of the video. Thank you!
If you compare the prices in British Pound it's actually on level with Specialized. I don't think it's fair to compare prices in AUD between a small company without a worldwide sales network and one of the largest bike brands out there.
add $700USD just for shipping to the states 😬
@@StacyODell That's still comparing apples to oranges. There's plenty of US based companies that might have competitive pricing there but for me in Europe I'll have to add thehigh shuipping costs and ca. 20% VAT.
@@lezyne1234 I'm not comparing Vielo to Specialized. I am just making a comment as to why I probably wouldn't be purchasing what appears to be a really nice bike.
the carbon fiber demostration was cool to see
“We don’t do black” as he wears a corporate shirt in black with a corporate sign in black in the background. 😂
We chuckled at this too. Of the 6 colours we make T’s in Ian happened to pick Black that day 😅
No mention of Lauf. I see them as the real pioneers.
Pretty sure there are companies who've been making fat tyred drop bar off road bikes for way longer than Lauf and certainly these guys.
@@sssamcz not with 1by only, no dropped seat stays (that are also solid carbon), innovative front suspension (or not), very light weight (without the use of hi mod 👎 carbon), and direct to consumer. Lauf is the pioneer.
@jamessankey01 yeah, there were frames 15+ years ago which could run road cranks, 29x2.1 tyres, no dropped stays, and drop bars. Lauf are cool and innovative, but they did not invent the gravel bike by a long shot
I switched back to my hardtail MTB after 1 year of riding my gravel bike (Diverge). I really enjoy the Diverge, but it really is more for smooth gravel along rivers and parks. The 80-100mm front suspension is really the game changer here for rough gravel and roots. Of course, lower tire pressure on a gravel bike is said to be equivalent, but... it isn't! It's making the bike far slower. My new project now is a monster gravel with 80mm Rockshox on the front and drop bars. That should be a real game changer. And mountainbikes are really cheap these days as everyone is selling them to buy a gravel bike.
I admire the design of the frame! Very clean and timeless in that it looks advanced while also looking familiar. Hope in the future there is a UDH option!
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This is actually an awesome interview... loved the new trends and rationale discussion 👍🏾
I got the impression you were reviewing the tyres, rather than the frame, tbh.
Gravel framesets have been able to accept 50mm tyres for years. This frame hasnt brought anything new to the scene in that respect.
It sure does look stunning with the lines, the chainstay and seatstays look fantastic. Deep section rims with chonky tires look so damn good.
Keep up the good content, DA.
can you fit 2.2's in this frame Dave? lots of gravel frames can fit 50(2.0)'s today, not as many fit 2.2's, 2.0 tire selection is poor at the moment. the terra hardpack test slower than 2.2's with that inferior casing
For me Tufo Thundero 48, as wide and lighter as Conti 50 Terra Hardpacks, and rolls similar or even better with plenty of Wet Grip!
Great in-depth content about Vielo‘s gravel bike and general carbon design and production of bikes. I fully agree with wider tires. It just feels right at rough terrain without being significantly slower.
Kudos for being unbiased towards other brands and respecting other‘s efforts too. Vielo +1 😊
Well... I run this tyre size on a 19lb racey 29er and don't have much problem keeping up with most roadbikerists on the road... so why not? Wide is not as slow as you'd think, with the right supple tyre at the right pressure... its the main lesson from the last decade of bike design.
I think 29x2.2(700x56) tires on i30mm rims at ~20psi for a 160 pound rider is where Gravel bikes should be. This set up will roll-faster while providing more comfort.
After 2 years riding gravel bikes I figured out that the fastest and best gravel tire is simply the trusty Schwalbe Marathon 38mm to 42mm. The Schwalbe Marathon Almotion beats every other gravel tire. Runs crazy fast on road and has enough grip for most gravel roads.
That's what my bike shop recommended and I also independently chose. It's fast on the road and off road sections with supposedly good puncture resistance.
Yea, I can agree. I have 47mm tires, they're the most gnarly, aggressive and confidence inspiring ever over the most ridiculous terrain. Next I'd love 40mm tires
I love the Marathon Plus, I find them quite harsh off tarmac, though. The 32’s that fit my frame, that is.
@@jooohan-i9o Correction on my part: I have the Marathon Plus too. I reduce the pressures a bit to give it a more compliant ride off-road, but traction and speed seem fine.
@@sma7530 Marathon Pluses are bulletproof. At least in my zip code and the way I ride (bad to decent tarmac, including city curbs and potholes, with some very light gravel). Some pothole hits (with my 100kg frame)…I was sure the puncture is inevitable. No, sir. Usually change them after 5000 kilometers:) Great set of tires.
Brilliant video again!
I like the way this guy thinks.
Nice bike, love the color and the seat stays which are very similar to my Cannondale Synapse, however I'm still a 2x guy for gravel.
Good on you if you live close enough to plenty of gravel paths, have space for multiple road inspired bikes, don't have the desire to race or go fast, or have the disposable income for such a niche segment. But for most people, the vast majority of our time is spent on roads, while barely being able to justify these large purchases.
I'm convinced that the "gravel bike" segment was created solely to convince cyclists that they had to have big ol wheels , and that their forever bike isn't good enough.Much like the mountain bike craze of the 90s.
As a kid, I just had to have a mountain bike. Never took the bike off road once. I would've been better off with a single speed bike back then.
He must enve any company that has pioneered this with UDH already
Wow what a great chap... and presentation with logic attached. ;-)
Glad you liked it!
Salsa Cutthroat, drop bar mtb that allows 2.4inch tires on 29s and is still a fast bike.
I run a 2.6 on the front, awesome ❤
gravel bike with 50mm were pionnered by small american brand vielo is late lauff already has this a year ago
One thing I don't (I like most of this frame, mind you) is the very wide top tube. This will rub my knees for sure. There is no need for that other than it's easier to line up with those widened seat stays.
I hear you, I'm not a fan of very wide top tubes either as I have a knees in pedalling style, but I had no issues with this bike thankfully
A few neg vibes but I love the passion and the carbon stuff was very interesting. And the bike just looks so good - understated class. I reckon the Cycling Tattooist is a perfect match with this brand 🤔….
Bomtrack had a drop bar bikes that could fit 700x55mm since 2017. CS is closer to a typical stable gravel bike, but otherwise it's a sweet bike. I would like to see you review the drop bar Beyond model please.
I'm a little skeptical of the "bigger is better" tire trend for gravel racing; perhaps for adventure riding it is more intuitive. I was new to gravelI in 2023, so before deciding on how to spend a lot of money, I decided to experiment a bit. I started by fitting 2.2 Race Kings on an old cross country frame fitted with drop bars. On gravel trails/roads in my area, it was like riding on pillows, but the wheels felt way too heavy and overkill 90% of the time. This season I will be trying the 40c Challenge Strada Bianca tubeless tubulars. The wheels are half the weight. With no rim flanges or inner tubes, I can run super low CX pressures (< 20 psi) on the really rough stuff with no risk of air loss. Using sealant and plugs instead of an inner tube in a tubular is long overdue......
I came to the conclusion that on the gravel roads I ride (varied, but some are excellent) at the speed I ride, that 700x45mm were not wide enough and was slowing me down. I had to often slow down due the road being too rough, or look for ways of avoiding the obstacle. Changing to 650x2.2 in the same frame (Open WI.DE) has been great. More compliance and less care needed at higher speeds. Feelings are not data, but I struggle to see where I am slower.
I'm here and watching this video because I want to drop my TerraSpeed 40 and try anything more fat like 47-50 tires. Those 40 are for 2.5bars minimal pressure which is waaay too much for real gravel roads.
I use those 2.2 RaceKings on my MTB, they are very soft, so you have to put in 3.0 or more bars for hardpack to not waste a lot of your power into tires bouncing. But it's up to you to balance speed and comfort with those tires just by adding a bit more pressure. You can't do anything with 40 tires, which are making you terrible slow on rough terrain.
I think something like 50 mentioned in this video is a great compromise, just enough for a gravel. But tire manufacturers seem to ignore this size.
@@Ms112464 RaceKing 2.0s should measure very close to 50mm on a gravel rim. Why not give them a try? At least 60+% of my gravel riding in on dykes or well maintained gravel roads. The dykes have a surface of very fine gravel and clay so they are close to tarmac in hardness. They do get potholes as the winter wears on but I am finding so far that both my CX bike and gravel bike with the Challenge Strada Bianca 40mm tubeless tubulars (which can handle 25 psi if necessary) are noticeably faster than my RaceKing 2.2 wheels on these surfaces. My racing experience has been road and CX (no XC), so it hard to give up the handling and feel of light wheels. I may have to resort to the converted XC bike with RKs for the super rough stuff but I'm not there yet.
Wish id if got a gravel bike years ago instead of a road bike. The comfort these would offer over bad roads and the occasional requirement to ride over literal gravel in Italy or Croatia would have been ideal on a gravel bike.
Fascinating interview! 🥸
fantastic video
Gravel bikes perfect for Englands crapy roads
Thoughts on this frame and bike vs. Lauf Seigla? Similar tire clearance and wireless intentionality.
nice bike - and I would be interested in one. - but I just cant do 'hot pink'. Need to offer the 'race' version in another color.
I have 2.1s on my Lauf and I wouldn't go back. The bikes excellent
No UDH, No front hanger (fit a clip on?) No muddguard mounts..
Just put a flat bar on it and finish transitioning to a mountain bike already! 😂
Is this news? I bought a rigid 29er mountain bike with 2.4” tyres 15 years ago 😂 I still have the the bike (Jones Spaceframe)
At that point I'd just get a MTB.
Well engineered but I draw the line at 7grand plus
Thanks! We do offer builds from £2999 with rival axs for the V+1 too
Wow! great stuff. I would buy a bike from that guy since he knows his sh*t -- I would go so far as to say he's expressed a "technical elegance", with the specific reasons for each design decision well articulated. I would love to ride that bike. As opposed to "yet another Giant TCR clone with fat tires". Yeah, I'm ignoring the cost for the moment but this is a big lift in design IMO. Minor nit..I can't tell if they've got fender/rack bosses on the other models -- Not sure I'd want to tour without those.
Bergamont Grandurance and Canyon Grizl have been out for more than 3 years and have the exact same advantages and half the price. This bike is not the future, it was the future 4 years ago. The future today is 55+ clearance, and to normalise never getting a non UDH compatible frame ever again.
Lovely clean smart engineering that will surely catch on,with the bigger brands.
I've got a Cannondale slate with fat tyres from 2017 it's more of a MTB than a gravel racer,I'm definitely in the camp,when it comes to riding wider tyres i can total see the benefits!
I Don't think people should complicate the joy of riding in the countryside off road away from our towns and cities in comfort,whichever style of bike you choose.
Why is this such a big deal? Canyon grizl has had clearance for wide tires for years, for a third of the price
But the frame has no UDH. Right? Missed oportunity 🤔
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David, any chance for you to review the Pinarello XC hardtail (Dogma or non-Dogma version)? Thanks👍🏼
I'll see what I can do
Ouch. Good luck selling this outside of the UK or Europe. Ribble(also a UK company) sells a Ti gravel bike, depending on spec that is $3k, or more, less(also hand made). For us in North America this Vielo is a hard pass. Ti is almost always more expensive. Not in this case. This bike is wildly overpriced, and that's saying something in this bike market.
Looks like Cannondale slate frame
Really interesting interview.
Looks (a lot) like my grx Crux...
It's getting into ridiculous range quickly now with these crazy bike prices. Or it's been loke that for a while yeah. 50mm tyre clearance is soon worth another 100% on the bikes price 😏
This gravel bike thing, how much marketing can be thrown at it?
People fascinated with a roadbike with fatter tires, a new fad is going to have to be created soon.
Sales arent up.
Drop bar mtb
His little anecdote about the guy selling his Pinarello,Colnago and S-Works tells you who this type of overpriced gravel bikes is for,just my view but i don't see any value in this bike at £4000 for a frame when a lot of the bigger brand 's will sell you complete builds for that price.
Anywho i'm off to fit some drop bar's to my mtb to get ready for the next big thing in cycling.
IDK…a $7000 frame with no internal frame storage or UDH the future? I hope not.
The Canyon grail and other bikes with 42mm tire clearances are still winning recent pro gravel events in 2024
Bike companies need a “new thing” to market and sell new bikes. The bike industy is slimey
so what? they are a business; of course they need to keep moving forward.
@@cityslacker6221 how is it moving forward when sub 45 tires are winning most of the races?this bike doesn’t even have internal frame storage and the frame is 7K! Oh that will be in the updated version in 2026…
Not sure what races you're referring to, but in the US gravel scene, most races today are won on MTB tires, 55+. 42s are virtually road tires these days
@@wscharff 28-30 are road tires. Look at TDF.
Most races are won on gravel on sub 45s, including Unbound and Big Sugar in 2023.
I hear ya. MTB tires work on a few races. Has to be very dry and chunky. The pros are then running drop downs bars on a hard tail. You will get dropped fast on any other surface. Especially if there is lots of elevation. I have a garage full of tires and my recent race, I didn’t see any MTB tires
@@frienduro24 LM used MTB tyres to win unbound in 2024. Keegan S used MTB Maxxis tyres at Steamboat on his gravel bike. So did others. The most dominant racer in the Lifetime series is choosing MTB tyres for gravel.
Because wide tires at low pressure = suspension. Every industry always circles back around and calls it something new. This is how we ended up with mountain bikes. Personally I will never understand running a ridged frame drop bar bike off of a paved surface. I just don’t get it. There is a better tool. Don’t seek your mounting bike just yet folks. This will morph back in to mountain bike.
Don't ride long distances do you?
@@gregmorrison7320 no I don’t. I have a mountain bike and I am shopping road/gravel right now. I’m just pointing out what’s happening. I see it in most of industries. The come full circle and market it like it all new. Personally I don’t have a lot of interest is long gravel rides. Seem like a day full of vibration. I just want something I can ride everyday to build stamina for my MTB.
And what if you just took a XC frame set, with option to use a suspended fork with 100mm of travel or a rigid fork, put a drop bar on it and call it a day? The one and only true do it all bike is a XC hardtail with 29" wheels. If you need 50mm or more to be comfy on your gravel bike, a MTB is going to be much better.
4 ME is a gravelbike a bike that easy to maintain wen you Trevel whit it Everthing is mechanical and outer cable routing... and wee dont need the hipsters shit
Nice fella terrible price
No UDH and pressfit. Yawn.
Why would someone need 45mm on a Gravel Bike?
I cant imagine that 45mm on any sort of fastish pavement is fun or did tires evovle so much in the last decades?
And a sporty trekking bike beats them all anyway in my opinion.
t’s a Gravel bike - you ride it on gravel, not pavement
@@Tom-hp4bq and why do you need 45mm for gravel? its still a fast pavement
I ride 50mm Pirelli Cinturato H tyres on my gravel rig..
It absolutely rips on gravel and is no slouch on the tarmac with a few more PSI in, either.
Single bike for both with no huge compromise for either genre, for the speed I ride.
@@jamesmedlow tires improved that much? thats impressive
the wider tires i have are all super slow on anything remotely flat but they are also all very old:D
i personally go offroad with my old steel bike and 23mm tires at 75psi or smtg like that it does ride suprisingly smooth and is a lot of fun but i also dont go fast on the descends
Tires definitely improved.
I think it is fair to say tire improvements in general have outpaced frame/wheel advancements, but big tires in particular have gotten a lot of improvements.
He's taking vocal fry to the max. Impressive!