If you had the stock heads on both as you mentioned this comparison is for the bin. The heads make the biggest difference on drumsound. You need to put the same heads on both, tune them exactly to the same pitch to really hear the difference the kits. So all we hear in the video is the difference between the made in china and the made in USA Remo heads.
Hi there, Long time Collector’s Series owner here. The differences in sound are subtle, yet enormous. To the untrained ear, they hear only the attack and highs, and they miss the subtle sustain of the mids and lows that are facilitated by the Collectors Series shell reinforcement rings. To the audiophile drummer, in any recording or live situation, with the right mics, these drums very well justify the $4k+ investment. Our Collectors Series are ALIVE; when you play them, they give you something back. It’s an indescribable feeling, and very uncanny, how after a while you start noticing that you’re not the one playing these drums - they’re playing you.
The Collectors will sound sweeter and better build quality. That said, the Design is plenty capable enough to be on a Grammy award winning album and sound professional.
Fair enough,. But some people are open to pay more for the finishes and robust quality of that line of drums., Also, in the used gear market, the Collectors retain a lot of value,., Gretsch renown maple vs usa custom have also a very hight price difference.
Are you using same set of heads on each kit. That and tuning can make a huge difference. The collectors are going to have better stock heads which is probably why your getting a better response when you play those. The designer series is very close. With a good set of heads that kit will probably sing just as good as the collectors with the stock heads.
They sound slightly different. I wouldn't say one sounds dramatically better than the other. Skill, tuning, head choice, and stick choice are going to account for most of the qualitative variance between these two kits. I think with the collector's series you're paying a lot of money to flex.
Both sound great, the smaller caps on the DESIGN allow for a more open sound and greater resonance, for a reason it is the model preferred by many to play live, versus the Collector which is preferred for the studio... I largely stay with the DESIGN for cost and benefits, Love the DESIGN feel…
The audience at the gigs wouldn't be able to tell any difference . They both sound about the same only a very small difference as i can hear and i have played them both as well My pick in dw is the performance series at a much better value js
I once took a Collector's Series and tuned just like Gretsch Catalina Maple set in the store and the customer bought the Gretsch set. He just couldn't tell the difference and wouldn't pay the extra cost. This was at a Guitar Center. I was picking up my Tama Starclassic Bubinga set that Tama had sent ne. I was an endorsee at that time.
The Collectors is sweeter sounding….BUT In a band mix, it might not make a difference in the recordings. However….from the drummers perspective, it might be a more pleasing feel. Possibly better tuning stability too during touring conditions. Plus, when you buy Collectors, you have more choices of different types of woods. The Collectors is better for a drummer who wants a more unique sound. However a more unique sound isn’t always better for the recordings.
Idk which one is which, but the blue ones, I'm assuming are collectors, have much more richness. The snare has a mochi more dynamic sound, and the toms are much richer and more full. Idk about 4k difference, but there's definitely a difference.
It would be a lot better if both kits had the same heads, pinstripes sound alot better imo. What I like about the design series is the thicker shell, it gives a lot of body which is great for metal when you are pounding the crap out of the drums.
Pin stripes suck! Evans clear or coated G12 are the way to go w DW. G12s are thicker single ply than G1s and sound awesome and they last! Pin Stripes deaden the resonance which defeats the purpose of purchasing and paying for much better quality drums! Any drum can sound like a cardboard box with pinstripes but not all drums can resonate with awesome tone!
The only difference that I hear, is that you've got two different head combinations. Pinstripe on the Collectors, and I guess you've got Emperor's on the Design kit, and that's what makes the difference for me. If they were the same on both kits, there wouldn't really be a difference in sound :-D Happy Holidays, man.
@@SterlingRJackson I don't mean to sound unappreciative as you've done something valuable here and I thank you. Normally one would control for variables when doing a "versus" video and that generally means using the same heads, microphones and tuning on each of the kits. If you're just doing a review of one then by all means, leave it as-is. A substantial part of the reason that listeners preferred the Collectors kit is due to the much better heads it comes with. Take that away and we have a much more interesting comparison, I think.
That could be from the heads he’s using? On the Design Series he has what looks to be Emperor’s and on the Collectors he has Pinstripes. So it’s not a very good comparison when you use different heads like that.
@@bakedalaska4363 I have two Design kits and mine sound great compared to this. On the smaller one I use Evans Hydraulics to get more low end out of the smaller drums and on the full size I have Emperors on the toms with a Powerstroke 3 on the kick. They sound great live!
I do think the Collector's sound a little better. Slightly fuller with a bit more resonance. But, and it's a J LO, for the immense price difference is it worth it? That's going to be an individual assessment of course, but for me it's not. If I were a DW endorser and got my equipment for free I would certainly chose the Collector's. If I won the powerball I would buy the Collector's. Since I'm like most people who aren't in either of those positions I would personally just buy the Design. The Design series are very reasonably priced for what you're getting in my view. Full branded DW and hard rock maple shells for around $1600 to $1700 at the time I'm typing this (spring 21'). Some places have them on sale for even less, though they're usually either the black or white finishes only when on sale. If a person has the money lying around, or they're willing to go into significant credit card debt because it means that much to them, then go for the Collector's. I just couldn't personally see doing that when for a fraction of the cost you can get a very nice maple full branded DW kit in the Design Series. Just my 2 cents.
TBH you don't have the same skins on both kits but if you did then the sound would probably be near identical at that tuning. should of used same skins on both its for a comparison.
Put same heads on Design and sounds without differences.... only $$$$$$. Why spend much money when today a mid level drums souns so nice... My poor opinion...
The white kit is older and the shells are broken in. You can that the blue kit has a more dense fat punchier sound and the hardware is more than likely die cast both are beautiful sounding. I'm about to order an acrylic 7pc myself this will be my first DW kit. All of my hardware is 9000 already.
DCNH did the same thing. The truth is that closed mics don't tell the whole story. Tune any 2 kits the same way and A/B them and they will sound very similar because they produce the same pitch, the mics don't really capture presence, and other subtleties that our human ears pick up.
to my ear, I like the collector's sound more. but as most of the comments noted, you'll not notice it on a live gig. Maybe on a recording but, in a mix, it gets lost even more. I personally would go performance series just cause I am not a fan of the finishes on the design series.
I have played a set of collectors since 1999 (date code 1999) and there is definitely a difference! I have never heard them side by side til this video. Thank you for the video. A 14” collector is the equivalent to a 16 in any other brand drum. The biggest and most frequent compliment you will get from the sound guy is “man , all I had to do was just turn them up”! Evans G2 coated heads , and a Emad finger tight plus a 1/4 turn on bass drum with nothing inside , is the ticket! Awesome video
What heads are on the tops and bottoms of the Design Series? I may have missed it in the video. I'm watching this in the middle of distractions. I just bought a Design Series kit 4 days ago (Thursday, 2-11-21). The heads they ship with... yuck. I put clear Aquarian Force 10's on top, clear Focus X on the bottoms, and a Super Kick 1 with a Regulator with hole and MAN! I sure didn't need to spend anymore money on a Performance Series or Collectors Series! I make a living mixing live bands, mostly top 40 dance/cover/wedding/corporate bands. I've mic'd up and mixed drummers with poorly tuned (and poorly played) Collectors kits and I've mic'd up and mixed PDP and Design Series that had great drum heads, that were properly tuned and played. It didn't take me long to realize that I could save one to two thousand dollars by getting a Design Series kit. Believe me... not one person in the crowd or dancefloor knew the difference.
I agree I went with the PDP CM Exotic and put pinstripes on it and wow, for 1,000$ you can’t beat it. And they have beautiful laquer finish and the hardware is the same as DW uses, well some of it is the mag throw off and tension rods.
I agree with you. From the factory the Design Series ships with cheaper heads and from what I’ve been researching, if you were initially eyeballing a collectors kit with maple shells, they are the same shells in the design series kit. Slap some better heads on it and throw some die cast hoops on it and you’ve got yourself a cheaper collector series kit. The only thing you’re sacrificing on a design series kit is a wider range of shell sizes, colored - larger sized hardware, wider range of shell colors and different shell material. If you’re not looking for anything specific, you could save yourself a boat load of money and go with the design series kit and no one would know the difference.
I can hear the difference. Both sound good, but the Collector's sounds like there's more tone and focus. The comment about the audience not being able to tell is probably correct - musicians are all about tone chasing though, and nobody ever complains about the guitarists out there chasing a certain sound they're after. Drummers do the same thing.
The difference is from the different heads on the two kits. The Collector’s has USA Remo Pinstripes. The Design has the single-ply Taiwanese version of Remo heads.
The biggest difference is the snare drum. Collectors snare has more body the design snare sounds cheap. I likes the design floor tom more, it was more pronounced. BTW I own a Collectors as well.
Hi there, Long time Collector’s Series owner here. The differences in sound are subtle, yet enormous. To the untrained ear, they hear only the attack and highs, and they miss the subtle sustain of the mids and lows that are facilitated by the Collectors Series shell reinforcement rings. To the audiophile drummer, in any recording or live situation, with the right mics, these drums very well justify the $4k+ investment. Our Collectors Series are ALIVE; when you play them, they give you something back. It’s an indescribable feeling, and very uncanny, how after a while you start noticing that you’re not the one playing these drums - they’re playing you.
Collector's Series sounds better integrated and warmer to me. The design series sounds more open and more loosely-integrated tonally, not really thin at all but thinner tonally than the Collector's.
Good to hear this comparison as it is something I've wondered about in the DW series lines they've been producing. Although the heads are not identical on each kit, it seems that the Designs series is a little less resonant and therefore has more attack or focused note than the Collectors, although heads will also contribute to that as well. The kick on the Collectors sounds deeper in terms of the lower frequencies being more present, so a fuller sounding tonal balance overall to my ears. If you take the money factor out of the question it's easier to decide which sound is better for oneself. Plus there's your own musical preferences. Then it's a question of whether the difference is worth the money or not. It might be good to do a video where you swap the heads from the first kit onto the second kit for a more clinical comparison. Lot's of work......
Yeah, definitely there is a difference. The Collector sounds warmer and deep. I have the Design which I really love. I'd like to upgrate my kit one day.
The main difference you’re hearing is in the heads. Take a close look. The CS has what looks to be pinstripes which bring out the sound you’re describing. Can’t tell what heads are on the DS.
Sounded to me like the design set toms were properly tuned, and the collector's set's were not :p The design ones had a focused, clear attack and a really even decay, while the collector's ones had a bit more clicky attack, due to the different, more dampened heads I assume, but it was also less focused, with a lot more funky/dissonant overtones, and a bit more pitch bend in the decay, different for all the toms. The collector's bass drum sounded more punchy and with a bit of a shorted decay, but there's not much else anybody can say seeing how close mic'd and processed its sound is. The collector's snare sounded a bit higher pitched, harder/clicky-er and a bit less ringy/more controlled, but they were fairly similar overall, and I assume there's a bottom snare mic there as well because I can hear an exaggerated/unnatural amount of snare sound as well, which is a tad distracting when trying to judge the difference between two similar drums. So yeah from what I can hear the differences are small, and the bigger ones I'm confident could be fixed with different tunings and heads, and I think this comparison would have been much more useful if the room sound was more prominent, as a lot of subtleties get lost when close mic'ing and EQ'ing and [...] drums.
Hi there, Long time Collector’s Series owner here. The differences in sound are subtle, yet enormous. To the untrained ear, they hear only the attack and highs, and they miss the subtle sustain of the mids and lows that are facilitated by the Collectors Series shell reinforcement rings. To the audiophile drummer, in any recording or live situation, with the right mics, these drums very well justify the $4k+ investment. Our Collectors Series are ALIVE; when you play them, they give you something back. It’s an indescribable feeling, and very uncanny, how after a while you start noticing that you’re not the one playing these drums - they’re playing you.
You gotta tune your snare reso up a bit brotha. It sounds papery. Man you can hear the difference though. Those Tom’s are just warmer and more resonant
No one would notice the difference on a live gig, because the two kits will never be on the same stage at the same time 🤦♂️ The difference is enormous between the two kits, but a) either kit in isolation from the other sounds like a great kit that leaves nothing to be desired, and b) many will not value the sonic difference to be worth the extra cost of the Collectors. I’m a Collectors owner since the mid 90’s. I love how time has aged my drums’ sound, they’re warming up and the prior savage-ness of the toms’ attack has subsided a little
I got an design and i love my kit….collector had an deep tone than an design…maybe an better drumhead and perfect tuning gives the design an great tone tooo❤️
They’re the heads that came on the drum sets. Check others reviews. I’m not the only person that did this. Feels like a true representation to me considering this is how DW creates and ships these sets. 🤷♂️
I hear the difference. I have this question. Is the feel under the stick alot different, and is it easier to pull the sound out of the collectors series
Check out the video from the Drum Centerof Portsmouth. They do a great comparison video between all three lines. The differences are so subtle. For the money, quality, and sound, I’d go with a Performance Series. I have a Design series already and they sound great for the money! Definitely suitable for a good sounding gigging kit!
The difference in sound in person and also the feel is hard to relay. Many brands have the same thing going...Tama starclassic vs Star is the same thing. The Star or Collector's or SQ2 are on a different level
While we can debate all day about the difference in sonic characteristics between the two, there are other very signficant differences between cheaper and more expensive kits that need to be considered. Such things include dynamic range, response and sensitivity, and the overall feel of each kit. Just about any kit can sound good, but not all kits FEEL good to play or respond well to the nuances of the player.
I think they both sound incredible. I think no matter what series you get anything that DW puts their name on is going to be of good quality. I just bought a Collectors Series kit lightly used for a bargain. Which is what I would recommend. They will hold their value and there are plenty of finish options. I got a 5 piece kit in Blue Moonstone finish and they sound and look incredible. And I only paid $2300.
Both sound great but the Collectors has a definite difference. I play the Performance and my daughter who is a DW artist of course plays Collectors. I think they all sound great including PDP but the Collectors have that deep, solid punch. They even feel different when you play them although I LOVE my Performance Series. I think it's worth the extra investment!!!
I’ve got a couple collectors series kits (maple and cherry/spruce) and I also jam on a designer series in a reversal studio. I can tell you the biggest difference is the tone to the drummers ears from behind the kit and what exactly you’re looking for from the drum. Collectors have such a more round and fuller sound and ABSOLUTELY has a larger frequency range from behind the mixing board when mixing the kit. Designer is wonder, but definitely doesn’t have the round bodied sound the collectors series has. Don’t get me wrong, for anyone who says the audience won’t tell the difference, I agree, but I also have to say that if there is a specific sound you try to pull out of the drums, collectors will allow YOU to have the flexibility to do so, where as designer series won’t. Both sound amazing. The DW family are amazing at what they do. Much love to them
Something you just can't show in a video is the feel of playing the higher end kit. Plus micing a kit has many limitations to really hearing what they sound like but DW collector have a depth of tone you have to sit behind to truly understand. Plus they do sound significantly fully in this video , again with the depth of tone quite a bit more enhanced than the design and this become more obvious as you play larger sizes. Any 7x8 by any company will sound great tuned properly. Not so with a floor tom!
Couldn’t tell a huge difference, especially $4,000 to $5,000 worth. Question….. did you stay with the stock heads of change to something else? If you changed to something else, what did you change to? I’ve got a good reason for asking. Thanks!
They are both using different heads though? I have a collectors myself and often I wonder why I have such an expensive kit when the mid range kits sound so good nowadays. I think any drummer out there who owns a tama star, sonor sq2, yam phx etc (all in same price bracket) must have the same thoughts as me at times. My practice kit is a gretsch Catalina jazz kit, it sounds wicked to the point I’ll happily gig it.
The collectors set is more thunderous with more sustain/resonance, I've noticed this on many performance/ collectors comparisons. I'd love to hear the comparison with matching heads, both resonant & batter, that would make the differences real clear. I'd personally love a collectors, they're not just premium instruments, but works of art as well in many cases. Thanks for the video!
Design series, with good heads and the right tuning sound incredible for the price, and the build quality is still on par with what DW has produced for decades. They are excellent in a live setting. Having said that, the reinforcement rings in the collectors are paramount to their sound and timbre. With the additional benefit of having limitless finish options and wood types, the Collectors are for drummers that can afford them. And they hold value in the used market as well. I am perfectly happy with the design series, but much like yourself, when I find that Collectors kit I just can't live without, I won't pass it up.
I’ve been playing Dw Drums for the most part of my 25 + year career as a drummer. I feel The Collectors shells have a richer thicker tone VS. the Design series . The difference is everything to me ... the richer tone is what I love about my drums. The newer shell configurations SSC ... VLT , X , 333 etc. you can not only hear the difference... you can feel it. the design series is good . IMO the tone is more open and not as focused compared to Collectors . But IMO still comes in as a good kit for the price point. I really think the saying you get what you pay for “ resonates” with this comparison. Some people may disagree which is totally good... its all about perception. I’ve read comments like its all marketing.. I disagree, Dw works hard to make drum lines that are set apart from each other in sound quality. Great video!
I started the video on my tablet and placed it screen side down and even closed my eyes while listening, when I heard the first kit my initial thought was thats the collectors kit and when the second kit started I thought 0h yeah the first 9n was definitely the collectors series. Mind kinda blown and wallet is happy because I'll be going Design series on the next kit purchase and saving a boat load of money.
Hey bro! Good video! I listened on an iPhone and I can totally hear a difference. However, the price difference isn’t JUST because of the sound difference at all. The largest difference is the feel and response. Design series kits are designed to be PLAYED. They can take what you throw at them. However, collectors series are designed to give you more from your drums without as much physical efforts. So you totally made a great decision. Plus you’re paying for more wood, finish and hardware options.
When you process the sound the same…… to me the difference is minimal. Hearing the drums live is completely different because of the natural volume of the drum. So I would say that they sound the same but they feel different.
Just to ward off future "the Collectors sound better" comments - the Collectors have premium double ply heads installed whereas the Design Series have thin, just barely better-than-nothing heads on them. That accounts for 99% of the difference that you hear. The Collectors sound warmer and deeper due to the better heads. The Designs are outfitted with single ply heads at the factory. There are plenty of good reasons to buy Collectors Series drums but if you're going for maple DW drums, give a good listen to Design Series with aftermarket heads on them. You won't believe how incredibly similar they sound to the Performance and Collectors kits.
I agree. I put Evans coated g2 on my design kit with and Evans eq4 bass head and I get compliments everytime I play. You can't beat the design kit for the money.
Can't afford any of these. Yet, here I am, listening to the difference between two monster sets I'll probably never buy. Of course, the Collector's sounds beautiful!
I could definitely hear the difference between the two kits. I think the big thing that most people are missing here is the tuning range. I have both kits as well. The biggest difference that justifies the cost difference for me is the tuning range. The collectors sound good with the same heads through a larger tonal range. When tuned perfectly the sound difference isn't as pronounced, but when you put them in a situation with a bit less control the Collectors have a greater tolerance for imperfections in tuning. I think a good comparison would be the difference between Squire and a U.S. made Fender. They look the same and sound similar but there is a difference, both in the way they play and the way they sound with a mic on a stage. Most people in the audience wouldn't be able to tell the difference. As musicians I think it's our job to provide the best sound possible on that front the Collectors has the advantage. For the level and the price, it's really hard to beat a design series kit, but as your ears grow and you can hear more nuance it makes sense that you would want something with a better sound. If I found that kit as backline at a bar, I"d play it, but if I was going into the studio it probably wouldn't fly. Great video I think it might have shown the back to back individual hits the difference would more apparent.
Agreed. Not many people understand or even know about how your ears grow to understand or even pick up subtleties in sound as you work more and more with music. Well said
Collectors definitely sound better here IMO, but I've heard Design kits that sound amazing. I like the sound of the Performance series and the smaller lugs so I'd probably go for that if I ever buy a DW kit, but the Collectors is so nice.
I have owned Collector’s Series drums. Design series drums are just as good when they have upgraded heads. Albeit, with less options available than the Collectors series. The Design series is the same construction as the Collectors HVLT drums, but with smaller lugs and made cheaper by the use of cheaper foreign labor. Theoretically, the smaller lugs may make a very tiny difference to the sound, but I doubt anyone could tell the difference in a blind test with the exact same heads and tuning, and there’s no reason to assume this tiny difference would be perceived as positive or negative even if it is detectable.
DW used to be my favorite but then I went back to Tama. Best drums and I never plan on playing another brand. But if I were to get a DW kit it would be either Design series or Jazz series.
@@Assimilator702 they were great when they used Keller shells after they started making their own shells in the late nintes the sound changed to a tubby sound that lost the attack they had become famous for but they absolutely make the prettiest wood shells out there but look at their 90s collectors there’s a reason why they’re worth more
the mids are a lot more pronounced in the collector series. Btw. thanks for the video. ps. what heads do you use on your DW D.series. ive been using Evans hydraulic on batter & reso and they sound super amazing.
Thanks for the comment Josh. I used evans hydraulic for years as well but as I’ve gotten older I’ve come to appreciate more resonance so now I’m not sure what I like. Still using the heads that came with my collectors set. I find the hydraulic heads a little too muted and thuddy now.
Is it just me or does anyone else think this guy is playing a joke on us? If you’re spending that kind of money on any DW series kit I would think your proficiency would be at a level worthy of spending that type of money. I’m simply saying even seasoned drummers are not going to be the Neil Peart’s, Tony Williams or Thomas Lanes of the drumming world. I will say best of luck to you in all your future musical endeavors.
I’ve released six albums played in three bands and put out shit loads of videos. I write, compose, record and do many things on a pro level if you watch or listen to any of my shit. I’ve also made some money in my life and when you do, you can actually buy whatever the hell you want. Pro gear absolutely does not mean someone is “pro”. I also get pro pricing and endorsement pricing from a lot of companies so these drums didn’t cost the same for me as for a typical consumer. And lastly, there are AMAZING players all over the world that don’t have the cash to buy good gear so…once again…your comment makes some sense but your energy would be better spent somewhere else.
@@SterlingRJackson sorry if I struck a nerve there brother. I wasn't trying to be demeaning in any way. I myself was born and raised in San Diego California I'm 46 years old I also toured for many years spent many many hours in the studio I never taught I didn't have the patience for it. But I was diagnosed with muscular dystrophy 7 years ago so I'm a little cranky these days. I've also been very fortunate enough to make a career of drumming now that I can't play like I used to like I said I get a little cranky. Again best of luck in all your future endeavors
I appreciate the response. Everyone has different stuff going on and it’s easy to look at people buying expensive stuff and wonder how the hell they can or if they “deserve” it. It’s all a spectrum like everything else. Health problems are also a huge bummer. I’ve made videos about mine as well in hopes that someone might be able to relate. Sorry to hear of yours.
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to be fair, you have to use the same heads and tunning in both drums, of course it will be a small diference
If you had the stock heads on both as you mentioned this comparison is for the bin. The heads make the biggest difference on drumsound. You need to put the same heads on both, tune them exactly to the same pitch to really hear the difference the kits.
So all we hear in the video is the difference between the made in china and the made in USA Remo heads.
Not enough difference to justify the extra cost. I love the Design.
Hi there,
Long time Collector’s Series owner here. The differences in sound are subtle, yet enormous. To the untrained ear, they hear only the attack and highs, and they miss the subtle sustain of the mids and lows that are facilitated by the Collectors Series shell reinforcement rings. To the audiophile drummer, in any recording or live situation, with the right mics, these drums very well justify the $4k+ investment. Our Collectors Series are ALIVE; when you play them, they give you something back. It’s an indescribable feeling, and very uncanny, how after a while you start noticing that you’re not the one playing these drums - they’re playing you.
I have the cherry/mahogany and I love it! Best drumset I ever owned.
The Collectors will sound sweeter and better build quality. That said, the Design is plenty capable enough to be on a Grammy award winning album and sound professional.
there is a big difference and when a band is playing you want your drumming to cut through without being too loud
Fair enough,. But some people are open to pay more for the finishes and robust quality of that line of drums., Also, in the used gear market, the Collectors retain a lot of value,., Gretsch renown maple vs usa custom have also a very hight price difference.
Are you using same set of heads on each kit. That and tuning can make a huge difference. The collectors are going to have better stock heads which is probably why your getting a better response when you play those. The designer series is very close. With a good set of heads that kit will probably sing just as good as the collectors with the stock heads.
You have Pinstripes on the Collectors which John Goode & Co. always says never do, so naturally those drums will be warmer and fuller.
They sound slightly different. I wouldn't say one sounds dramatically better than the other. Skill, tuning, head choice, and stick choice are going to account for most of the qualitative variance between these two kits. I think with the collector's series you're paying a lot of money to flex.
Both sound great, the smaller caps on the DESIGN allow for a more open sound and greater resonance, for a reason it is the model preferred by many to play live, versus the Collector which is preferred for the studio...
I largely stay with the DESIGN for cost and benefits, Love the DESIGN feel…
same here! They are good enough for me!
That Collectors kit sounds incredible. With good studio headphones, of course. They are SO full sounding!!
The audience at the gigs wouldn't be able to tell any difference . They both sound about the same only a very small difference as i can hear and i have played them both as well My pick in dw is the performance series at a much better value js
They don't know how to pin point it but they would hear it and it would make a big difference in how they feel
I once took a Collector's Series and tuned just like Gretsch Catalina Maple set in the store and the customer bought the Gretsch set. He just couldn't tell the difference and wouldn't pay the extra cost. This was at a Guitar Center. I was picking up my Tama Starclassic Bubinga set that Tama had sent ne. I was an endorsee at that time.
I hear a difference, more tone, tone holds longer on the Collectors series. Good for you!
Just goes to show the value in using premium heads. Makes a world of difference. Too bad that wasn't done for the other kit.
The Collectors is sweeter sounding….BUT In a band mix, it might not make a difference in the recordings. However….from the drummers perspective, it might be a more pleasing feel. Possibly better tuning stability too during touring conditions. Plus, when you buy Collectors, you have more choices of different types of woods. The Collectors is better for a drummer who wants a more unique sound. However a more unique sound isn’t always better for the recordings.
I love the sound of the Design.
Idk which one is which, but the blue ones, I'm assuming are collectors, have much more richness. The snare has a mochi more dynamic sound, and the toms are much richer and more full. Idk about 4k difference, but there's definitely a difference.
I cann hear the differencr after playing PdP for years, definitely collectors but the series is also a good upgrade
It would be a lot better if both kits had the same heads, pinstripes sound alot better imo. What I like about the design series is the thicker shell, it gives a lot of body which is great for metal when you are pounding the crap out of the drums.
Pin stripes suck! Evans clear or coated G12 are the way to go w DW. G12s are thicker single ply than G1s and sound awesome and they last! Pin Stripes deaden the resonance which defeats the purpose of purchasing and paying for much better quality drums! Any drum can sound like a cardboard box with pinstripes but not all drums can resonate with awesome tone!
The only difference that I hear, is that you've got two different head combinations. Pinstripe on the Collectors, and I guess you've got Emperor's on the Design kit, and that's what makes the difference for me. If they were the same on both kits, there wouldn't really be a difference in sound :-D Happy Holidays, man.
Cheap stock heads on the Design kit and premium heads on the Collectors? Not a fair comparison at all.
Both kits have the heads that came on them. Does that mean the factory set it up to be unfair? Must be
@@SterlingRJackson I don't mean to sound unappreciative as you've done something valuable here and I thank you.
Normally one would control for variables when doing a "versus" video and that generally means using the same heads, microphones and tuning on each of the kits.
If you're just doing a review of one then by all means, leave it as-is.
A substantial part of the reason that listeners preferred the Collectors kit is due to the much better heads it comes with. Take that away and we have a much more interesting comparison, I think.
The Collectors sounds more focused and clean.
That could be from the heads he’s using? On the Design Series he has what looks to be Emperor’s and on the Collectors he has Pinstripes. So it’s not a very good comparison when you use different heads like that.
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It’s all the heads
@@drumfanatik316 not even Emperors on the Design kit - those are cheap single ply heads. That alone accounts for 90% of the difference you hear.
@@bakedalaska4363 I have two Design kits and mine sound great compared to this. On the smaller one I use Evans Hydraulics to get more low end out of the smaller drums and on the full size I have Emperors on the toms with a Powerstroke 3 on the kick. They sound great live!
I do think the Collector's sound a little better. Slightly fuller with a bit more resonance. But, and it's a J LO, for the immense price difference is it worth it? That's going to be an individual assessment of course, but for me it's not. If I were a DW endorser and got my equipment for free I would certainly chose the Collector's. If I won the powerball I would buy the Collector's. Since I'm like most people who aren't in either of those positions I would personally just buy the Design. The Design series are very reasonably priced for what you're getting in my view. Full branded DW and hard rock maple shells for around $1600 to $1700 at the time I'm typing this (spring 21'). Some places have them on sale for even less, though they're usually either the black or white finishes only when on sale. If a person has the money lying around, or they're willing to go into significant credit card debt because it means that much to them, then go for the Collector's. I just couldn't personally see doing that when for a fraction of the cost you can get a very nice maple full branded DW kit in the Design Series. Just my 2 cents.
TBH you don't have the same skins on both kits but if you did then the sound would probably be near identical at that tuning. should of used same skins on both its for a comparison.
Both sound great, getting the design series in a week or so!
Put same heads on Design and sounds without differences.... only $$$$$$. Why spend much money when today a mid level drums souns so nice... My poor opinion...
I have the design series and love it! Put some good heads, proper tuning, and voila; a great drum set!
ps. they sound too similar to spend the extra cash if you ask me. just my opinion. i have the satin white as well, an awesome color!
This can be true. I loved my design set. Just had them for a long time and it felt like the right time to upgrade. Thanks for the comment 😊
Right heads.. and Design comes alive!!
@@maus_drummer which heads you think would make that Design way better?
@@carmeloocana9869 remo coated ambassador.
The white kit is older and the shells are broken in. You can that the blue kit has a more dense fat punchier sound and the hardware is more than likely die cast both are beautiful sounding. I'm about to order an acrylic 7pc myself this will be my first DW kit. All of my hardware is 9000 already.
DCNH did the same thing. The truth is that closed mics don't tell the whole story. Tune any 2 kits the same way and A/B them and they will sound very similar because they produce the same pitch, the mics don't really capture presence, and other subtleties that our human ears pick up.
Biggest difference I hear is the kick and floor Tom and that could be due to the tuning. Both are great kits.
to my ear, I like the collector's sound more. but as most of the comments noted, you'll not notice it on a live gig. Maybe on a recording but, in a mix, it gets lost even more. I personally would go performance series just cause I am not a fan of the finishes on the design series.
you're using different heads. not a fair comparison
I have played a set of collectors since 1999 (date code 1999) and there is definitely a difference! I have never heard them side by side til this video. Thank you for the video. A 14” collector is the equivalent to a 16 in any other brand drum. The biggest and most frequent compliment you will get from the sound guy is “man , all I had to do was just turn them up”! Evans G2 coated heads , and a Emad finger tight plus a 1/4 turn on bass drum with nothing inside , is the ticket! Awesome video
Thanks Doug 😊
What heads are on the tops and bottoms of the Design Series? I may have missed it in the video. I'm watching this in the middle of distractions. I just bought a Design Series kit 4 days ago (Thursday, 2-11-21). The heads they ship with... yuck. I put clear Aquarian Force 10's on top, clear Focus X on the bottoms, and a Super Kick 1 with a Regulator with hole and MAN! I sure didn't need to spend anymore money on a Performance Series or Collectors Series!
I make a living mixing live bands, mostly top 40 dance/cover/wedding/corporate bands. I've mic'd up and mixed drummers with poorly tuned (and poorly played) Collectors kits and I've mic'd up and mixed PDP and Design Series that had great drum heads, that were properly tuned and played. It didn't take me long to realize that I could save one to two thousand dollars by getting a Design Series kit. Believe me... not one person in the crowd or dancefloor knew the difference.
I agree I went with the PDP CM Exotic and put pinstripes on it and wow, for 1,000$ you can’t beat it. And they have beautiful laquer finish and the hardware is the same as DW uses, well some of it is the mag throw off and tension rods.
I agree with you. From the factory the Design Series ships with cheaper heads and from what I’ve been researching, if you were initially eyeballing a collectors kit with maple shells, they are the same shells in the design series kit. Slap some better heads on it and throw some die cast hoops on it and you’ve got yourself a cheaper collector series kit. The only thing you’re sacrificing on a design series kit is a wider range of shell sizes, colored - larger sized hardware, wider range of shell colors and different shell material. If you’re not looking for anything specific, you could save yourself a boat load of money and go with the design series kit and no one would know the difference.
I have the design series and I like the smaller lugs. Hopefully one day I'll be able to get a custom series built with the small lugs.
I can hear the difference. Both sound good, but the Collector's sounds like there's more tone and focus. The comment about the audience not being able to tell is probably correct - musicians are all about tone chasing though, and nobody ever complains about the guitarists out there chasing a certain sound they're after. Drummers do the same thing.
The difference is from the different heads on the two kits. The Collector’s has USA Remo Pinstripes. The Design has the single-ply Taiwanese version of Remo heads.
the floor tom on the collectors kit is what i didn't like personally.
The biggest difference is the snare drum. Collectors snare has more body the design snare sounds cheap. I likes the design floor tom more, it was more pronounced. BTW I own a Collectors as well.
Thanks for the feedback Shawn
I have a collectors 100% Cherrywood kit.
Every time I play a double stroke on any of the drums, I “hear” something that sounds like “worth it!”
Not much of a difference for being 4k apart.
Hi there,
Long time Collector’s Series owner here. The differences in sound are subtle, yet enormous. To the untrained ear, they hear only the attack and highs, and they miss the subtle sustain of the mids and lows that are facilitated by the Collectors Series shell reinforcement rings. To the audiophile drummer, in any recording or live situation, with the right mics, these drums very well justify the $4k+ investment. Our Collectors Series are ALIVE; when you play them, they give you something back. It’s an indescribable feeling, and very uncanny, how after a while you start noticing that you’re not the one playing these drums - they’re playing you.
@@dieggosilva9909 my ears are very well trained. Put identical heads on the two kits and the differences virtually disappear. I speak from experience.
the only real difference is the bragging rights on owning a collectors kit
I agree... its True....
Exept the big difference in tom sound.
The Collectors has a richer sound. Obviously a big part of the price difference is the customization. Both kits sound very nice..
Collector's Series sounds better integrated and warmer to me. The design series sounds more open and more loosely-integrated tonally, not really thin at all but thinner tonally than the Collector's.
Agreed. Thanks Jon 😊
There's not a 4k difference... At all! Either way I just order my first DW designer series in panio black... Looking forward to that!
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@@mikestein1024 I couldn't really tell the difference... Could you?
I bought the design four piece and added the 14x6.5 bnob design snare and it sounds great. Big sound for a little price. I'm very happy with my kit.
Good to hear this comparison as it is something I've wondered about in the DW series lines they've been producing. Although the heads are not identical on each kit, it seems that the Designs series is a little less resonant and therefore has more attack or focused note than the Collectors, although heads will also contribute to that as well. The kick on the Collectors sounds deeper in terms of the lower frequencies being more present, so a fuller sounding tonal balance overall to my ears. If you take the money factor out of the question it's easier to decide which sound is better for oneself. Plus there's your own musical preferences. Then it's a question of whether the difference is worth the money or not. It might be good to do a video where you swap the heads from the first kit onto the second kit for a more clinical comparison. Lot's of work......
You can get away with cheaper drums mic under processing. Live at a gig is completely different, that's where the collectors shines.
Yeah, definitely there is a difference. The Collector sounds warmer and deep. I have the Design which I really love. I'd like to upgrate my kit one day.
The main difference you’re hearing is in the heads. Take a close look. The CS has what looks to be pinstripes which bring out the sound you’re describing. Can’t tell what heads are on the DS.
Sounded to me like the design set toms were properly tuned, and the collector's set's were not :p
The design ones had a focused, clear attack and a really even decay, while the collector's ones had a bit more clicky attack, due to the different, more dampened heads I assume, but it was also less focused, with a lot more funky/dissonant overtones, and a bit more pitch bend in the decay, different for all the toms.
The collector's bass drum sounded more punchy and with a bit of a shorted decay, but there's not much else anybody can say seeing how close mic'd and processed its sound is.
The collector's snare sounded a bit higher pitched, harder/clicky-er and a bit less ringy/more controlled, but they were fairly similar overall, and I assume there's a bottom snare mic there as well because I can hear an exaggerated/unnatural amount of snare sound as well, which is a tad distracting when trying to judge the difference between two similar drums.
So yeah from what I can hear the differences are small, and the bigger ones I'm confident could be fixed with different tunings and heads, and I think this comparison would have been much more useful if the room sound was more prominent, as a lot of subtleties get lost when close mic'ing and EQ'ing and [...] drums.
The collectors had pinstripes
Hi there,
Long time Collector’s Series owner here. The differences in sound are subtle, yet enormous. To the untrained ear, they hear only the attack and highs, and they miss the subtle sustain of the mids and lows that are facilitated by the Collectors Series shell reinforcement rings. To the audiophile drummer, in any recording or live situation, with the right mics, these drums very well justify the $4k+ investment. Our Collectors Series are ALIVE; when you play them, they give you something back. It’s an indescribable feeling, and very uncanny, how after a while you start noticing that you’re not the one playing these drums - they’re playing you.
The blue sounds fuller on my phone. Very minor difference to my ear without headphones. Both sound great.
Agreed. I never listened on my phone. Interesting
You gotta tune your snare reso up a bit brotha. It sounds papery. Man you can hear the difference though. Those Tom’s are just warmer and more resonant
I can DEFINITELY hear the difference , I would play any of them. The Collectors sounded the best.
That would change with different heads.
anyone have experience with DW collectors and Mapex Saturn Evolution? What would you choose for the studio?
Design series is the way to go tbh
I love mine 😜
No one would notice the difference on a live gig, because the two kits will never be on the same stage at the same time 🤦♂️
The difference is enormous between the two kits, but
a) either kit in isolation from the other sounds like a great kit that leaves nothing to be desired, and
b) many will not value the sonic difference to be worth the extra cost of the Collectors.
I’m a Collectors owner since the mid 90’s. I love how time has aged my drums’ sound, they’re warming up and the prior savage-ness of the toms’ attack has subsided a little
Well said Joe
I got an design and i love my kit….collector had an deep tone than an design…maybe an better drumhead and perfect tuning gives the design an great tone tooo❤️
Collectors snare sounds better but I like the white set better.
Comparison with diferent heads???????? Come on.....
They’re the heads that came on the drum sets. Check others reviews. I’m not the only person that did this. Feels like a true representation to me considering this is how DW creates and ships these sets. 🤷♂️
Yes i know... thats wi in my opinion its not fair the comparison...but the sound its the same...realy is...
I hear the difference. I have this question. Is the feel under the stick alot different, and is it easier to pull the sound out of the collectors series
I wonder how a performance vs collectors series sounds like.
My guess would be that the differences are going to be very minimal, could be wrong though
Check out the video from the Drum Centerof Portsmouth. They do a great comparison video between all three lines. The differences are so subtle. For the money, quality, and sound, I’d go with a Performance Series. I have a Design series already and they sound great for the money! Definitely suitable for a good sounding gigging kit!
The difference in sound in person and also the feel is hard to relay. Many brands have the same thing going...Tama starclassic vs Star is the same thing. The Star or Collector's or SQ2 are on a different level
They sound maybe like 5% different. Honestly I’d get the design cause the small turret lugs look way better than the giant collector lugs
While we can debate all day about the difference in sonic characteristics between the two, there are other very signficant differences between cheaper and more expensive kits that need to be considered. Such things include dynamic range, response and sensitivity, and the overall feel of each kit. Just about any kit can sound good, but not all kits FEEL good to play or respond well to the nuances of the player.
The only difference is the the batter heads. They are different. That will make the 2 drum sets sound slightly different. Both kits sound very good!
I think they both sound incredible. I think no matter what series you get anything that DW puts their name on is going to be of good quality. I just bought a Collectors Series kit lightly used for a bargain. Which is what I would recommend. They will hold their value and there are plenty of finish options. I got a 5 piece kit in Blue Moonstone finish and they sound and look incredible. And I only paid $2300.
Both sound great but the Collectors has a definite difference. I play the Performance and my daughter who is a DW artist of course plays Collectors. I think they all sound great including PDP but the Collectors have that deep, solid punch. They even feel different when you play them although I LOVE my Performance Series. I think it's worth the extra investment!!!
if you buy something so expensive you find it better for sure... I definitely don't feel too much difference
What heads do you have on each kit?
Great video. Thanks for making this mate!
Thanks man. Did my best with what I had. 😊
I’ve got a couple collectors series kits (maple and cherry/spruce) and I also jam on a designer series in a reversal studio.
I can tell you the biggest difference is the tone to the drummers ears from behind the kit and what exactly you’re looking for from the drum. Collectors have such a more round and fuller sound and ABSOLUTELY has a larger frequency range from behind the mixing board when mixing the kit. Designer is wonder, but definitely doesn’t have the round bodied sound the collectors series has. Don’t get me wrong, for anyone who says the audience won’t tell the difference, I agree, but I also have to say that if there is a specific sound you try to pull out of the drums, collectors will allow YOU to have the flexibility to do so, where as designer series won’t. Both sound amazing. The DW family are amazing at what they do. Much love to them
Something you just can't show in a video is the feel of playing the higher end kit. Plus micing a kit has many limitations to really hearing what they sound like but DW collector have a depth of tone you have to sit behind to truly understand. Plus they do sound significantly fully in this video , again with the depth of tone quite a bit more enhanced than the design and this become more obvious as you play larger sizes. Any 7x8 by any company will sound great tuned properly. Not so with a floor tom!
I could definitely tell the collector's drums were fuller, and the design series were thinner.
Yeah, but that’s the difference between the USA Remo Pinstripes on one kit versus the single-ply Taiwanese stock heads on the other.
Couldn’t tell a huge difference, especially $4,000 to $5,000 worth. Question….. did you stay with the stock heads of change to something else? If you changed to something else, what did you change to? I’ve got a good reason for asking. Thanks!
The heads are what came on the sets from the factory.
Do the collectors have the x shells vlt and reinforcement rings?
The right heads... and Design comes alive!!! 🤘🏻😎
What heads? Thanks
They are both using different heads though? I have a collectors myself and often I wonder why I have such an expensive kit when the mid range kits sound so good nowadays. I think any drummer out there who owns a tama star, sonor sq2, yam phx etc (all in same price bracket) must have the same thoughts as me at times. My practice kit is a gretsch Catalina jazz kit, it sounds wicked to the point I’ll happily gig it.
I’m using the original heads that came on both drum sets. And yes I agree... you can make many drum sets sound great. They’re aren’t big differences .
The collectors set is more thunderous with more sustain/resonance, I've noticed this on many performance/ collectors comparisons. I'd love to hear the comparison with matching heads, both resonant & batter, that would make the differences real clear. I'd personally love a collectors, they're not just premium instruments, but works of art as well in many cases. Thanks for the video!
I can hear the difference. DW makes awesome stuff on every level.
Design series, with good heads and the right tuning sound incredible for the price, and the build quality is still on par with what DW has produced for decades. They are excellent in a live setting. Having said that, the reinforcement rings in the collectors are paramount to their sound and timbre. With the additional benefit of having limitless finish options and wood types, the Collectors are for drummers that can afford them. And they hold value in the used market as well. I am perfectly happy with the design series, but much like yourself, when I find that Collectors kit I just can't live without, I won't pass it up.
I’ve been playing Dw Drums for the most part of my 25 + year career as a drummer. I feel The Collectors shells have a richer thicker tone VS. the Design series . The difference is everything to me ... the richer tone is what I love about my drums. The newer shell configurations SSC ... VLT , X , 333 etc. you can not only hear the difference... you can feel it. the design series is good . IMO the tone is more open and not as focused compared to Collectors . But IMO still comes in as a good kit for the price point. I really think the saying you get what you pay for “ resonates” with this comparison. Some people may disagree which is totally good... its all about perception. I’ve read comments like its all marketing.. I disagree, Dw works hard to make drum lines that are set apart from each other in sound quality. Great video!
Well said Joshua. I agree.
I started the video on my tablet and placed it screen side down and even closed my eyes while listening, when I heard the first kit my initial thought was thats the collectors kit and when the second kit started I thought 0h yeah the first 9n was definitely the collectors series. Mind kinda blown and wallet is happy because I'll be going Design series on the next kit purchase and saving a boat load of money.
Do... You prefer the flappy sound of the design toms?
@@nielsemilbechnaumann it's not the toms - it's the heads. Put pro heads on the Design kit and prepare to have your mind blown.
@@nielsemilbechnaumann it's not the toms - it's the heads. Put pro heads on the Design kit and prepare to have your mind blown.
Hey bro! Good video! I listened on an iPhone and I can totally hear a difference. However, the price difference isn’t JUST because of the sound difference at all. The largest difference is the feel and response. Design series kits are designed to be PLAYED. They can take what you throw at them. However, collectors series are designed to give you more from your drums without as much physical efforts. So you totally made a great decision. Plus you’re paying for more wood, finish and hardware options.
When you process the sound the same…… to me the difference is minimal. Hearing the drums live is completely different because of the natural volume of the drum. So I would say that they sound the same but they feel different.
Dude those new ones look amazing. I’m in lust.
Just to ward off future "the Collectors sound better" comments - the Collectors have premium double ply heads installed whereas the Design Series have thin, just barely better-than-nothing heads on them. That accounts for 99% of the difference that you hear. The Collectors sound warmer and deeper due to the better heads. The Designs are outfitted with single ply heads at the factory.
There are plenty of good reasons to buy Collectors Series drums but if you're going for maple DW drums, give a good listen to Design Series with aftermarket heads on them. You won't believe how incredibly similar they sound to the Performance and Collectors kits.
I agree. I put Evans coated g2 on my design kit with and Evans eq4 bass head and I get compliments everytime I play. You can't beat the design kit for the money.
I don't know about the price difference, but the collector's sounds better: richer and deeper rounder sound! a bit louder also
You’re hearing the difference between the heads on them.
Can't afford any of these. Yet, here I am, listening to the difference between two monster sets I'll probably never buy.
Of course, the Collector's sounds beautiful!
The have different heads, making this test bias.
I could definitely hear the difference between the two kits. I think the big thing that most people are missing here is the tuning range. I have both kits as well. The biggest difference that justifies the cost difference for me is the tuning range. The collectors sound good with the same heads through a larger tonal range. When tuned perfectly the sound difference isn't as pronounced, but when you put them in a situation with a bit less control the Collectors have a greater tolerance for imperfections in tuning.
I think a good comparison would be the difference between Squire and a U.S. made Fender. They look the same and sound similar but there is a difference, both in the way they play and the way they sound with a mic on a stage. Most people in the audience wouldn't be able to tell the difference. As musicians I think it's our job to provide the best sound possible on that front the Collectors has the advantage.
For the level and the price, it's really hard to beat a design series kit, but as your ears grow and you can hear more nuance it makes sense that you would want something with a better sound. If I found that kit as backline at a bar, I"d play it, but if I was going into the studio it probably wouldn't fly.
Great video I think it might have shown the back to back individual hits the difference would more apparent.
Agreed. Not many people understand or even know about how your ears grow to understand or even pick up subtleties in sound as you work more and more with music. Well said
Collectors definitely sound better here IMO, but I've heard Design kits that sound amazing. I like the sound of the Performance series and the smaller lugs so I'd probably go for that if I ever buy a DW kit, but the Collectors is so nice.
Did you use identical heads on both?
You can see in the video it’s USA Remo Pinstripes on the Collector’s kit and the Remo-branded single-ply Taiwanese stock heads on the Design.
both kits sound fire!!
Both such badass sets. I have a design and I’m not going to pretend it’s just as good to make myself feel better like others in the comment section 😂
I have owned Collector’s Series drums. Design series drums are just as good when they have upgraded heads. Albeit, with less options available than the Collectors series. The Design series is the same construction as the Collectors HVLT drums, but with smaller lugs and made cheaper by the use of cheaper foreign labor.
Theoretically, the smaller lugs may make a very tiny difference to the sound, but I doubt anyone could tell the difference in a blind test with the exact same heads and tuning, and there’s no reason to assume this tiny difference would be perceived as positive or negative even if it is detectable.
Design series tom sound is much more flappy. And the collectors sound warner and runder.
Snare is pretty much the same to me.
Oh yeah dw drums are my favorite brand.
definitely!
DW used to be my favorite but then I went back to Tama. Best drums and I never plan on playing another brand. But if I were to get a DW kit it would be either Design series or Jazz series.
@@Assimilator702 i agree, if dw drums wasn’t around tama would be my go to
1 anything Keller ie old dw , Sonar , etc 2 Tama 3 DW 4 mapex 5 pearl 6 Ludwig 7.Yamaha 8 . Gretch 8 PDP
@@Assimilator702 they were great when they used Keller shells after they started making their own shells in the late nintes the sound changed to a tubby sound that lost the attack they had become famous for but they absolutely make the prettiest wood shells out there but look at their 90s collectors there’s a reason why they’re worth more
A difference but not a $4,000 difference.
I'll offer DW a few hundred dollars extra.. Not 4k.... LOL
What that finish on the collector called I love it ❤️
the difference i heard is the richness in tone
the mids are a lot more pronounced in the collector series. Btw. thanks for the video. ps. what heads do you use on your DW D.series. ive been using Evans hydraulic on batter & reso and they sound super amazing.
Thanks for the comment Josh. I used evans hydraulic for years as well but as I’ve gotten older I’ve come to appreciate more resonance so now I’m not sure what I like. Still using the heads that came with my collectors set. I find the hydraulic heads a little too muted and thuddy now.
I might rob a bank to get that collectors kit. 😂
Both awesome!
I’d have to FEEL them.
👍
I’ve been playing my collectors kit since 2007 and I love the sound of them but if I was just starting out I wouldn’t hesitate to buy a design series.
Yeah man. DW makes high quality shit. I was stoked when I started out with my design kit. Thanks for the comment
Is it just me or does anyone else think this guy is playing a joke on us? If you’re spending that kind of money on any DW series kit I would think your proficiency would be at a level worthy of spending that type of money. I’m simply saying even seasoned drummers are not going to be the Neil Peart’s, Tony Williams or Thomas Lanes of the drumming world. I will say best of luck to you in all your future musical endeavors.
I’ve released six albums played in three bands and put out shit loads of videos. I write, compose, record and do many things on a pro level if you watch or listen to any of my shit. I’ve also made some money in my life and when you do, you can actually buy whatever the hell you want. Pro gear absolutely does not mean someone is “pro”. I also get pro pricing and endorsement pricing from a lot of companies so these drums didn’t cost the same for me as for a typical consumer. And lastly, there are AMAZING players all over the world that don’t have the cash to buy good gear so…once again…your comment makes some sense but your energy would be better spent somewhere else.
@@SterlingRJackson sorry if I struck a nerve there brother. I wasn't trying to be demeaning in any way. I myself was born and raised in San Diego California I'm 46 years old I also toured for many years spent many many hours in the studio I never taught I didn't have the patience for it. But I was diagnosed with muscular dystrophy 7 years ago so I'm a little cranky these days. I've also been very fortunate enough to make a career of drumming now that I can't play like I used to like I said I get a little cranky. Again best of luck in all your future endeavors
I appreciate the response. Everyone has different stuff going on and it’s easy to look at people buying expensive stuff and wonder how the hell they can or if they “deserve” it. It’s all a spectrum like everything else. Health problems are also a huge bummer. I’ve made videos about mine as well in hopes that someone might be able to relate. Sorry to hear of yours.
The sustain on the collectors is better.
The design series had a shorter sustain.
Which one is which
Biggest drawback for me is that the collectors kits do not hold their value, $5k kits go for $2k used