$1000 Fire Ball? Extreme Testing of the ZD Racing EX07 1/7 HyperCar!
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2021
- I was told not to do this! But I decided to take the Risk to make this Video! 15,000mah, 100c Gensace Lipos Vs ZD Racing EX07. These Lipo's on paper can discharge 1500 Amps each!
15000mah x100c/1000 = 1500A!
The RC Kiwis had an issue with their ESC going up in smoke. They were told not to use high power lipos... well, here's my thoughts!
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The EX07 is currently not available to the UK from Banggood. If you are interested, try here. And using the Discount code 'Tomley' might take a bit off for you. shop.makerfire.com/products/zd-racing-ex07-1-7-4wd-electric-hypercar-brushless-rc-car?_pos=9&_sid=ae7205980&_ss=r&aff=286
Who cares if it's not licensed it's a hot-rod! Literally the only part of the Hoonicorn body that is still stock 65 mustang is the coupe roof! Who are you going to get licensing from? Ken Block? He didn't serial number the car as his own and it's definitely not a 65 mustang anymore soooo..... not a Ford either. No one person built the Hoonicorn so it's the worlds car! IMHO
your so wrong if you dont think the higher amp in a batterypack delivers more current.. it certainly does.
and that goes for both Liion cells and LIPO packs.
same goes for power tools.
if you take a impact drill or impact wrench and use fx a 18v 2000mah pack versus 18v 6000mahbattery-pack.. you get more torque / impact if everything else is equal and you not current limited with the higher amp pack.
if you unsure' then use an RC power meter.. it very clearly displays it that your amp draw is higher with more mah if anything is somewhat equal.. so the vendor is certain correct when they claim that higher amp rated cell or cell for quadcopters with very high C rating, can reach higher peaks with the risk of choking the ESC. and if you wanna use such cells then use a beefier ESC
So no, it ain't just longer runtimes, you will also get more wattage potency with a higher mah rated pack.
Funny how many that get this wrong in RC and also in many powertools.
You legit explained the battery thing in a way all car people can understand lmao. I love that. It shows that you're equally as much of a car guy as you are an RC enthusiast. We need more car jargon translation
Been looking forward to this video! Thanks for sharing!
No probs dude
That was an excellent way of explaining the battery, ESC, Motor and wiring gauge. Great video, as always, Thanx 👍👍
Great job on this analogy Dr.Phil! The gauge size of your wiring, from battery, to esc to motor is also a very important factor as far as heat transfer. Bigger wiring =better heat transfer = cooler motor, and cooler esc. What you did seems totally acceptable to me, because your still staying within your limits! And good heavy wires make limits more tolerable. Fun video Phil⭐️! Wicked fun car! Wish I had one👊🏼👍🏻🤘🏻
I love how you got 6weeks of video in 1 short video! And you was spot on with the power delivery description. But its throttle bodies and fuel injection thease days. Can't wait to see more of this car. Need a speed run with the big batteries in it
Haha... 6 weeks. It’s easier to explain using a Carb 😎
Brilliant explaination of something I've been trying to work out while looking for battery's
No pro as mate... you can get a little more technical with them... but that’s the easiest way to explain it
Awesome run, thought your explanation about the batteries, esc, motor was great.
Cheers John. I was a technical instructor for 5yrs, I always found people understand stuff better if you can relate it to real life things
Excellent video Phil. Keep up the great job your doing keeping us informed and entertained. Top job. John
Thanks dude
Tomley your presentation and explanation of the RC power system is perfect, very clear and to the point. I'm a former auto technician and HGV tech. Class 8 diesel in my part of the world lol. I think ZD just doesn't want the risk of overheating due to longer run times with the bigger battery is my guess. Amoril said the same to me went their esc and motor gave up on 3s I used a 35c and they wanted 25c!
Nice technical explanation 👊🍻 great vídeo as always.
Thanks mate
Dude i like that ESC=carburetor analogy! Ima use that next time!
Thanks for the comprehensive explantation!
6 weeks run time!! 😂😂I love it! And I agree with a lot of people in the comments! The way u explained the electronics, I’m very sure helped people understand and have a lot better idea of the electrical systems in these RC’s. Great video! Can’t wait to see the roller!!
In all honesty who cares if it’s licensed or not sure being licensed is more authentic but in the end it’s just a really fast toy you can make it how you want it in my opinion
An other fantastic video. I already caught on getting an ZD Racing BX-8E Roller.
I think you drive damn good one handed. Props sir!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Awesome video bro.... I can’t wait to get a EX07!
Really enjoyed this one dude, nice to see no fireball go you. Those batteries are some size I'm surprised the motor did get a little hot with the run time. Dam good video
Cheers Dude... I was secretly hoping for a bit of drama with the ESC lol
Très bon pilotage à une seule main 💪💪👍
Thanks for the rigorous testing! I just ordered one and you had me worried/anxious for the first 80% of the video 😅
The esc didn't do the thermal cut off properly on the rckiwis car probably & burst into flames that was the cause while yours is functional as you noticed the fan wasn't moving at all.
A mod worth doing i guess is getting one of those generic 120mm fan shrouds that are sort of a mesh net & cutting it down too size and gluing it onto the fan or getting some sort of mounting for it if you cant screw it down with the fan without having longer screws sorted out for it.
Yes agree... those fan housings have a lot of space for stones to get in there!
A really useful analogy - thank you!
No probs Jon
That was a great analogy, Tomley! 😃
You just forgot about the entropy: as something works it loses energy, generating heat. (That applies to the batteries, esc and motor.) So it all depends on how much heat it generates and how good is the cooling... In this case I believe the esc doesn't have a trustworthy cooling system... The fan should never stop like that! 😬
Anyway, fantastic bashing!!! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Yes very true... I was trying to keep the video as short as possible. I did actually mention heat... but it was not easy to put in to the explanation about it being like a normal car... so I just mentioned ‘load’ and left it as that 😎
Yeah the cheaper stuff is less efficient so they heat up the more energy the use. You can pull any Chinese shitty esc apart and see the garbage contacts. They use a plaster that hardens instead of nickel soldering. Copper blends instead of copper or zinc.
@@justinjones5281 That's very true, but it heavily depends on the brand. The best and the worst are both made in China nowadays.
hi Tomley quick question! please how did you fix the head lights to keep on all the time? cause i am not able to fix it on my
I love the brake down. On the this on how you explain it
The greatest🔋 explanation in the history of physics, science and engineering
I can't tell ya how glad I was that we didn't see it go Lipo supernova! Loved that last drift session montage too! Hellz yeah! Now where sir...is that clutch velour track suit from the 90's Nikko vid to complete the look! 🙃 Classic!
More mah just means longer duration, and a higher C rating means that the motor can draw those amps down more quickly if it needs to, so you might get a bit more punch, "initial acceleration". But an electric motor will only take what it needs. So if you have an ESC/motor combo, that's your control right there, it won't take more than it needs.
The biggest difference you can make to a motor, and an ESC, is if you change the voltage. So that would be more or less cells in the pack. When we run older/cheaper RC vehicles with brushed motors, we can add cells and make them faster, though the motor and the ESC will burn out sooner. But in either case, a reasonably up to date ESC will cut out if given too much voltage, won't it?
I think these cheap 150A ESC’s are pretty good, but because of the lack of quality control, there is a high percentage that go ‘pop’ than your more mainstream brands.
@@TomleyRC Cheapo is a good word that's for sure!
Nice car analogy 👌
This Mustang Ken Block is monstrous ! 💪💪💪👍👍👍
I was very confused but you explained it properly. It shouldn't matter. Same voltage . unless the esc is garbage .
Great great video. Thanks for putting that our . Big thumbs up 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I have 120 amp and 150 amp surpasshobby esc and they are solid. Especially for the price. I never had an issue. And ive ran them in snow and rain.
That's good to know, I saw a few videos where guys had them short or smoke. Maybe they were doing something wrong.
Thanks for the vid tomley!
The ex07's stock ESC is just a rebranded Surpass Hobby 150 amp 6s ESC. I got one and tried it in my Limitless with stock gearing.
It did heat up so fast, I had to stop running it before it burns..
In short, that stock ex07 ESC is not for something bigger than 1/8 scale, and also not for high speed gearing. The amp draw could burn it..
I hope zd racing improves it.
Or to be better, just buy the roller version.
Great slo mo shots!
Thanks Ron
Perfect analogy IMO! A battery with a higher C rating is similar to a larger diameter fuel line. It is not creating increased fuel pressure, it is only increasing available volume of electric fuel for use if needed/demanded.
Yes, exactly that
Regarding one hand driving, you can strap the selfie stick to your controller base with 2 battery straps. I'm sure you're aware of this but it's worth a try for smoother driving, works for me. Great content as always, cheers.
I do that quite a bit (I have a GoPro clamp) but to get the low down action shots it’s easier the way I did it in this video
I'm not really up to speed with all the technical stuff, but your explanation was excellent, made it easy for me to now understand!
Thanks mate. It’s a not more complicated than that... but that’s e best way to describe it
I do like it! How are the tyres holding up? I have a mate with a new arrma infraction and the stock tyres lasted 1 or 2 sessions of about 20-30mins. Which is a little rough considering its $70+(AUD) for 2 tyres. I would really like to test these zd racing wheels/tyres out but there doesn't seem to be any replacement parts available yet.
Amazing car, great video Bro!! Wow!
Thanks mate
I bought the version without electrical part and assembled it this week with ESC Hobbywing ezrun MAX-6 v3 160a, Racerstar 4282 720KV engine and 2 batteries 6s 5200 60c. The problem is that when I connect only one battery (by bridging the ESC), the car works normally, but when I connect both batteries, everything works normal, except the engine not responding and the ESC is flashing red without the beeps. Can you help me?
Plug in a decent ESC Card and you should find your problem. There will be a setting that needs changing is my guess mate. Hope this helps
I had the hpi hoonicorn and swapped out the stock motor and esc for the flux system so the speed matched the look, only 3s 5k batteries not as fast as yours and over priced ( HPI High Price Imminent) but mega fun. Love your channel and vids are informative and helpful thanks keep up the content 👍👍
I’d love to get hold of a New HPI one 😎👌
@@TomleyRC like rocking horse poop
you explained the battery voltage well.
Awesome video
I just smoked that same ESC "Surpass Hobby" last Sunday doing speed runs on 3s, 93mph redcat lighting
Brilliant analogy of how power system works, maybe do an rc guide for noobs. You’ve probably got more answers than noobs have questions. Great channel (apart from crawlers 😂) 👍👍👍
I'm glad you did this test. It is ridiculous that you would have to use a specific battery from them. If the esc cant pull the current then it cant pull it and that should be the end of the story.
love the hoonicorn 👍😀
Me too!
Good analogy
That was a very good explanation of a RC car power systems. It is just thy ZD racing is not being truthful about there electronics.
Wow keep making these amazing videos
Thanks mate
@@TomleyRC No problem
That thing looks badass and pretty good power stock with the recommend batteries I didn't know who Ken Block was till about a couple months before this RC came out I was watching all his vids so it was really cool to see a RC of the hoonigan 4wd drive Mustang I never dreamed of a 4wd Mustang especially all modded out like it is I don't know how they got away with the licensing I don't know anything about how it works to be honest lol Cool vid mate sorry for the long arse comment I get carried away talking about that awesome car and the RC 😁
might have to get me 1 great video im glad you showed me the esc aint bad
Man awesome video m8 I like this car looks nice I thing I'd like two see a rally shell on it looks a good platform and if you don't whant the electrics like you said could get rolling chassis wounder what it would be like with a Castle set up in it 👍👍👍
I'm sure im calculating wrong but isnt it 150amps not 1500? There is 1/10 of hour conversion from amp hrs to amps missing, unless I'm misreading gens ace website. Which then puts you at max esc rating causing failure.
My 1/16 erevo is doing that where it cuts the power and goes slow but there isn't any over heating on anything. its stock with 2 2s in parallel anyone got any ideas? Maybe just bad esc?
I'm not surprised on the esc handled the big batteries. I have a surpass hobby 150amp and I run it consistently on two 3s 6000mah 80c batteries.
Yes, I have a 60A, 120A & 150A... no issues with them
great car great vid. thank you
No probs dude
So I can't understand so now the car takes 6s but why the ESC burn down
I'll say yes you proved me wrong! Right on mate!
Fairly accurate. I'd say, imagine your fuel tank is also 200 feet above you and the fuel is pressing down with a lot of force into the carb. In theory it shouldn't matter much but things don't always go to theory.
The fuel system was explained like a true prophet.👍🇬🇧😎
Crikey, Tomley gone mad with power He has!
Did You top up the shocks cause in slowmo They looked pretty good?
Beauty Mate, another great show thanks.
How long were you able to run it for with those batteries?
I dig your wiffle-walflle explination of an RC car parts to a real car. Great job n keep up the great work that you do 😎👍👍 ....two thumbs up.... Get out there n enjoy your hobbies😁 Be safe😷
No Kaboom 😂
Awesome vid
Thanks mate
Love it...good explanation...is that the set up from the rally car? If not ...it should be! Keep poking the bear...hehe!
Different set up... I will keep pushing!
When I'm not making videos while trying to break my RC cars, I do enjoy watching others do it. LOL
Haha
@@TomleyRC Better luck next time.
Hello, could you please review zd racing dbx 07? Thanks!
No fire with all that extra weight and and 3 time's the run time. 👍
Yeah, it did well!
Nice one of my favourite videos 👍
You couldn't have even watched the whole thing yet.. lol
Haha... cheers dude
Phil for the roller i would go max6 and hobbystar or leopard 4285 or maybe 4585
Yes, Max6 for sure... but not sure on motor yet
@@TomleyRC i got the leopard 4082 and its got tons of power, but its 6s 2000kv
That was cool.
It makes a huge difference what the ambient temperature is.
Definitely a good explanation on the batteries. Far too many people think that batteries "push" power.
That is an awesome looking car, licensed or not I love it 👍🏻🍻
Agree Rob
Megacorp give enough of their stickers away expecting you to advertise them for free, well zd just collected em all and stuck em to a bodyshell
Banggood wil not ship to UK. Are you going through some sort of service?
I got mine before they had issues. I’ve put an alternative link on the pinned comment
Agreed. The mah rating of a battery (size of the fuel tank) should have no impact on the operation of the ESC. The C rating would be an issue if anything so it's weird that ZD Racing told the RC Kiwi's that the mah rating is the issue.
Yes agree... I’m not sure ZD understand it themselves lol
This is a common misconception. Your RC car runs on watts . Watts are volts x amps. Battery might be the same voltage...but because it has higher mah value it means it does provide more watts at full throttle.
I've tested this on my 4tec2 and will get faster top speeds with a larger mah heavier battery.
Awesome 😎😎😎
What you think guys about Drag Racing that car ?
Thanks
Bobby
SEND IT!!!
I was expecting a fire a bit disappointing 🤣👍👍👍
I was slightly disappointed haha
6 weeks of run time that's insane 😂😂😂😂❤
I've tried to reach out to bangood to t st this same problem but they won't let me test it! Lol I wonder why... ?
Cool! It uses a rebranded Dumborc controller
Gr8 content my friend…. Your explanation of RC batteries is spot on ….. those are the biggest batteries I’ve ever seen as far as MaH ratings… I don’t recall if you gave the price of those Gynormous batteries but I’d like to know … thanks for sharing! 😎👍🏻💯
Thanks mate… appreciate it 😎👍
hey tom, i also have an ex07, and the only way the esc managed to burn out was me doing like 4 high speed runs full wide open throttle, then chucking a few high speed drifts, maybe you should try that as an extreme torture test
? Series battery s c rating doubles or remains same? awesome vid loving videos keep up great analogies you nailed it 💯👍 subscribed
I think the C Rating will stay the same as I’d say that is more of a ‘science’… and. It something that will change that easily… but I’m not 100% sure. Cheers for the support 😎👍
But I do love this car... It's on my wishlist so that's my next purchase so thanks for the review...
Not sure if thats little bits of dust thrown up but it looks like whisps of tire smoke.
Follow up vid suggestion: Short out the terminals on the ZD racing 3s pack and measure the current + wattage to see what it ACTUALLY puts out. Even money says it doesn't come close to the rated max even under those conditions.
Yeah agree... although 5000/35c is pretty crap anyway :)
Need to see a speed run with those batteries.
Yes, I expect a couple more MPH... so maybe close to 70mph
Great video Phil gens ace should have a discount code for tyres , l bet two good runs on them should sufficiently rubbish the tyres
These are a pretty hard compound. But I reckon if you maxed out the run time on the Lipos they’d not last too long lol
The fan on the esc needs a better protective screen on it.
That will be a new set of boots each battery pack or darn near it. Haha.
Is that a hobby wing ESC
Hmmm, sounds like the ESC has been mis-programmed to allow it a higher burst draw than the internals can actually handle. This is the only way I can see a bigger C rating messing up an ESC. This is also a potential problem as it means that the ESC 'could' overload the batteries before the ESC. You could replace the motor with a lower KV to reduce the chances of the motor asking the ESC for more than it can take
as an ex-mechanic by trade, the way you explained everything was spot on! good job my friend! you'll need to take that beast of a car to the airport strip one day when you get a chance and really let it reach it's potential. great for drifting i must say! cheers for the cool and informative video!
400th like! hey tomley how are those tires holding up?