Martial artist knows how to communicate with fellow Martial artist... I always emphazise to my students: 👉Modesty 👉Respect 👉Etiquette (outside and inside the Dojo) 👉Learn (from other art) -theres no perfect system. 👉Defend NOT Offend.
Bullshit, a true martial arts expert would prefer to prove his abilities in real fighting/battle rather than just keep talking without being able to prove the technique that he/she learned. Challenging each other between martial arts expert has existed since ancient time, so if there is a martial arts expert who can only talk, most likely he/she is just bullshido master.
i wanted to see teeth flying, guts falling out and after that, a perfect rendition of pacman ;) Then i would believe in fighting, a taser is still the best martial arts :)
@@Yudi.Hilmawan i agree, in terms, a real martial artist shares knowlege, AND, compare yourself with other martial artists, but not claim his own art is the best, but, himself is (sorry my english, it's not my main language)
I dont understand French, and I used to do Taekwondo for my state. But what I can say is it's great to see the respect of both the martial artists towards each other and their respective arts.
I agree dude. This was awesome to see. Both gentlemen were AMAZING! This is why it is better to compare with the idea of stealing techniques with modesty, honor and respect.
yes this is fantastic, i'd love to see more dojos do discipline sharing. tae kwon do's kicks and distance fighting with karate's grit and rough punches is a scary combination.
For those of you commenting say which one is better have lost the message of this video. You don't need subtitles to visually see that these two men uphold a mutual sign of respect. Martial arts come from different parts of the world, with different purposes behind them. The most important thing is etiquette, not solely dojo etiquette within the dojo. A Sensei teaches his/her knowledge and wisdom from their own experiences and tries to input that information into their students minds to remember and learn that. Upholding respect is learning new things from others, who may not do the same style as you, but being able to learn new things from others makes you a more broad minded martial artist. I, myself studied Shotokan Karate for over 25 years, and I never refer to myself as a Karateka. I am a Martial Artist, Karate is my foundation, as I have the most knowledge in this area, but it doesn't mean that I cannot adapt and learn new things from others. So please, when you know another martial artist, don't defend your martial art, but discuss and exchange knowledge with each other. Oss.
My god finally someone who think like me, I practice taekwondo since I'm 6, (I'm 19) and growing up, my master always told us "You may practice taekwondo, but be always open to something new, the more you learn, the more complete you become, the better you would be", each month or 2,we invite several martial artist from every style, and we learn new things. I love it. (kind of awkward cause I don't know if what I wrote between the "" really means what I wanted to say)
@@specimenskitz your teacher sounds like a wise man and has taught you well. I'm glad that he brings other people to your classes and learn something new from others. Even literally altering a move with a twist or move it in different angle, just by a few millimetres can dramatically alter a technique. As long as you can compare it, learn from it and utilise it, that makes you a better martial artist, with a broader knowledge that can teach others in the future. You know, only yesterday, I read something that I will give as advice to you...When you want to learn something, learn it as if you would teach it towards others. By doing it that way, you become more focused and interested in getting it right and passing that knowledge on to others and when you are actually teaching them the specific thing you want them to learn, you are also educating yourself, going through the process of steps yourself. Apply that through life and I am sure you will learn quite a lot.
@@specimenskitz your much more than welcome, and more than anything, always be consistent with your martial arts training throughout your life! The level of devotion and dedication turns into discipline, that prevents you procrastinating in your life.
J'aime beaucoup l'intégration et l'échange entre les deux arts et non pas le match pour savoir qui est le meilleur comme ont le vois que trop souvent. Échange et respect comme dans cette vidéo très intéressante
That’s what I’m talking about!!! No bashing other arts at all! This is what it means to be a true Master!!! When we can come together and teach each other and combine them as one. My Master teaches me Taekwondo and judo. But I also like jujitsu to. And I would like to learn from them and also teach them what I know. This right here is great!
nice idea ! thats what we do in our wado-kai karate jutsu dojo in CRO. behind WKF we do littlebit of jujutsu, judo, aikido, aikijutsu, TKD ITF. kickboxing. all friends clubs from city or country. often visit! really nice
@@marinerovrataric4979 MOST DANGEROSE martial art is wing chung and silat use it together no one can touch you even 40 people cant beat you if u learn it and i learn that for 10 years without teacher
Agreed ! I practice Taekwondo and Muay Thai, but would love to learn Judo- Look I'm Japan thee police don't carry guns, but they all have black belts in Judo. Nuff said there. Keep practicing brother, much love
Superbe salle de sport. J'ai pratiqué la boxe française, le kickboxing de 1994 à 2016. Aujourd'hui je pratique le karaté shotokan depuis 2ans, je suis ceinture bleue, au début l'adaptation a été difficile, surtout recommencer à zero ceinture blanche!! mais j'ai perseveré, mon expérience m'a facilité les choses et maintenant je m'eclate. Il faut respecter toutes les disciplines et ne pas hésiter à en découvrir de nouvelles. Osu
@@mickaelm5671 j'ai 47 ans à un moment il faut savoir tourner la page de la boxe. De plus le karaté est un art martial, la boxe pieds poings un sport, le karaté a un contenu concret bien plus grand que la boxe. J'ai fait un stage avec Jean Pierre lavorato, il a 73 ans 9eme dan, il faut le voir exercer, la boxe ça ne conserve pas comme ça. Je me suis éclaté à la boxe, maintenant je m'éclate au karaté.osu
@@blacksabbath2559 si tu rencontre du monde dans le karaté tu verras que beaucoup s'inspirent de la boxe ou du MMA pour compléter le karaté car l'enseignement qu'on peut recevoir en karaté est pour moi très limité. Les gens désirant progresser en combat vont vers ces sports pied poing. Il y a d'ailleurs le karaté défense (qui s'est créé pour contrer le krav Maga) qui fait très boxe et qui dénature complètement le karaté. J'aime le côté mystique du karaté face à la boxe mais bien souvent le karaté est mal enseigné car mal compris.
En fait je pratique aussi le karaté depuis des années et je cherche à le défendre aussi mais justement en sortant des sentiers battus en étudiant la défense plutôt que l'attaque qui est tout le temps mise en avant. Car pour moi l'étude de la défense est le vrai secret du karaté. Dans l'attaque il y a peu de sensations à apprendre, ce sont que du développement d'aptitudes physique avec du timing. La défense est plus fine a apprendre.
This is awesome. If doctors can learn from each other about medicine, if mechanics can learn from each other about how to do maintenance on a car, if musicians can learn from each other on how to play or compose music, then there's no reason why martial artists cannot appreciate each other's style and learn so both improves.
Le prof de karaté est vraiment dans cette optique moderne, du mma et de l'application du shotokan dans des cas de self défense concret, et ça, c'est bon pour le karaté !
l'application du karate en self defense , ça a toujours été le cas.....en plus d'être un art de santé...mais aujourd'hui tellement de clubs pratiquent uniquement le côté sportif de non contact que les gens sont perdus...
taekwondo for speed and distance fight , karate for strengh and close combat. the matter is not what the discipline you own, but the matter is inside yourself
@6:10 I knew he would go for the Ura-mawashi! Its one of the best point scores in Karate when you are up close. However normally its only used in Shotokan type matches where you go for points and not knockouts (as in say kyokushin).
J'ai compris plus que prévu, mon français ne semble pas être si mauvais après toutes les années :-D Technique et mouvement super! Salutations d'Allemagne
I’ve trained in karate for last 25 years and I think the karate technique was way too complicated a technique to use as an example. Some competition stuff would of been far more practical
Thanks for this great video! Merci pour cette magnifique vidéo, j'ai bien aimé le respect entre les deux experts, ce sont de très bons exemples à suivre dans le monde des arts martiaux.
I’ve done taekwondo since I was 5 and it’s been 6 years and I still think this sport is great in kicking and hand to hand combat but I really respect karate:)
MOST DANGEROSE martial art is wing chung and silat use it together no one can touch you even 40 people cant beat you if u learn it and i learn that for 10 years without teacher
I cant understand french but I am a karate practitioner and its so good how both martial artist practice and exchange techniques and not brag which art is better. I think this a new step in breaking the boundaries and letting other arts share their knowledge.
I like how the karate guy moves when he's getting ready for the kick. He looks like he's done a lot of sparring. Knows how to move in a real fight; something that was really missing from the McDojo I went to.
Voilà une vidéo qui doit ravir les karatékas, comme pratiquement toutes les vidéos qui mettent en relation les deux disciplines, c'est une fois encore une écrasante victoire du Karaté aussi bien sur la technique que sur l'efficacité !!!
Miguel's left hand jodan uke with the left upper arm instead of the lower arm while closing in makes it easy for trapping and controlling the right side of the opponent's body. This is the beauty of adapting a kata (eg. geksai dai ich ) to the attack. Awesome Sensei Xavier. There are so many aspects of Kata Gek Sai dai ichi (Goju ryu) I can see applied in context. The kata comes alive!
Face à des hommes pareil, je me sens tout petit humain. Autant de puissance et de noblesse dans tant d'humilité.... Bon bah on va retourner s’entraîner à devenir des humains digne de ce nom les gars haha
They are talking about kicks and fancy kicks and kicks and kicks. Karate is a full striking art using every part as a striker not just legs and legs legs.
It has often put me off learning martial arts because although I like and appreciate the sense of spirituality and the fitness side , also we see here the mutual respect and exchange o f ideas and concepts . It takes years to learn these moves and master them so as they can be practical . real fights last seconds , no more than a couple of minutes at most . can and often do come out of the blue and from all sides. Often you will have multiple opponents. Not just one antagonist who is building up to a fight by insulting or posturing first . Its great when you see this choreogrphy and signaling readyness to each other . It works in sport where competitions 2 opponents agree to rules . When you are taught to take down someone using 4 to 5 carfully executed moves , it just seems so much to do hence it takes years before you can even go out on the streets and have a chance to defend or fight. To be honest the last thing I would do is talk about being into martial arts unless I had trained for at least 5 to 6 years and then been in sitautions where I was exposed to situations where combat was needed
Excellent ! Je bosse à 500m... Je connaissais la salle de nom seulement mais cette vidéo m'a juste convaincu. Les tarifs ne sont pas donnés mais l'enseignement, la salle semblent y être excellents... Il ne reste plus qu'à budgétiser tout ça pour venir vous rejoindre.
I used to be a tkd player for how many years but, Taekwondo here in the Philippines doesn't focus on punches. That's why I like Karate more than tkd and my perception is i want to learn martial arts where I can use in self defense.
c'est magnifique comme lieu ce venom camp! la classe! je suis étonné du côté hyper technique et complexe du karaté.... faut avoir une sacrée mémoire je pense
Beautiful example of respect. I will say that I will practice both examples in my own karate training. Always be open to learn new things and adapt what you already know.
The real reason people dismiss Taekwondo is LAZINESS. People dont have the patience to develop the level of flexibility and co-ordination to actually be good in it. Through TKD, and the way it improves your hip flexors, you can excel in most sports just for that reason. One head kick from a heavyweight like myself and the legend Borot here is all that is needed to fell any opponent of ANY size....trust me...The neck and the head can only handle so much force. The dangerous thing about heavyweight TKD fighters is that a few are very fast (like Borot) which is not "normal" for most human beings over 90kg, as well as the lighter weights being extremely quick. No pride here, just being honest. (2nd Dan TKD guy who has fought in a competition with Mickael Borot)
That's not real TKD, that's the sport version. The REAL TKD has hand techniques and blocks in ADDITION to kicks, not kicks 100% of the time. I'm a 1st Dan who's master is a born and raised South Korean and I guess that was to my benefit because he taught us the real deal. Hell even us black belts had (I say "had" because I don't go there anymore, 7 hours away in college lol) BJJ in our curriculum. Real TKD looks a lot like the Karate demonstration (TKD was developed from Shotokan) and not what you see in tournaments and in the Olympics. I wish the real TKD was a lot more prevalent, but unfortunately others aren't as lucky as I was
The most part of Tkd clubs are concentrated on the "fight part". Those clubs forget Hoshinsul, kibon, hanbon.... and very technical poomse also. There is not a lot of "Traditional" club nowadays. (Sorry for mistakes. I'm french 😅)
I understood you perfectly and you're right, a lot of TKD places are just for the sport. Since the place I went to is largely traditional we did Poomse, hoshinsul etc.
There’s a small handful of places that still practice traditional TKD. I’m fortunate to train under Grand Master DA Yun who trains the Korean army. His style is geared for practicality and survival in the original Chang Hon style of TKD.
Dude you dont have to train the olympic one in my school if u dont want.we train all the same kicks that are in ITF. And you can train boxing behind it aswell if ur so fucking stupid and cant do it yourself lmao
In ITF TaeKwon-Do, if after you kick you land that close to the opponent you will get punch in the face, but is obvious that is how WTF train since they don't use their hands other than hugging.
Ja" vi alguns videos desse jovem praticante de taekwondo, não e" taekwondo x karate e sim uma troca bem amistosa de conhecimento entre esses dois atletas das difetentes artes marciais.
@@efeonobrakpeya9883 I practice taekwondo since 13years, and was thinking kind of the same, don't know if I stand a chance against mhuay Thai fighter as experienced in his discipline as I am in mine 😅 But we've got way more kicks than them, wich make us more "complete" with our leg, also TKD vs MT is speed against brutal power, for me it can go either way :)
@Renzo Wesker My ambitions are to add mhuay Thai as a complement to TKD, but first I need to finish school😅 And yes I know that, where I train we invite other people to try a new martial art once a month, We invited a Mhuay Thai "Master" (IDK if you call it master in this discipline) and it was crazy to spar him, like he was hitting hard as fuck (we did it with a full body protection), impossible to beat for me😂
Karate moves are mostly Choregraphed style, pleasing to watch, useful only if the opponent is lame with zero martial arts skills..taekwondo on the other hand is mostly about high flying kicks with too much possibilities of actually missing the desired target, also impact of kicks are not brute....Yes we are not here to discuss which is better over whom..nice video which showing mutual exchange of own styles..and I am sure such mutual exchange will definitely help in evolving these martial arts form...Because MMA and Muai Thai are most sought after these days..
This isn't Taekwondo vs Karate. This is Miguel Xavier vs Mickael Borot. These two martial artists are not the sanctioned representatives of each style. To be fair, unless we invent robots that can carry out techniques and ideals to absolute perfection, you will never have a contest that is truly style vs style. Only one martial artist to another martial artist.
El karate y el taekwondo son las artes marciales que más se parecen entre ellas, en karate se trabajan más los golpes de mano y en taekwondo se trabajan más los golpes de pierna
Hi I think your running a great place for Modern Day Fighters. Brilliant Facilities. The Taekwondo Man look like a Novice nexted to you. Well Done keep the Good Work. Thanks Mark
I don't understand much of martial arts, but for me for the Karate teacher could do the Taekwondo moves very well but for the Taekwondo teacher the Karate moves were difficult.
"Hi, I'm here to apply for the Assistant Taekwondo/Karate Demonstrator position." "What are your qualifications?" "My belt is too long." "You're hired."
Karate or Taekwondo or Kyokushin? I am a practioner of Okinawa Karate, Goju-ryu. I went to Okinawa to be trained in Karate from Europe. I have learnt the history of martial arts of the world at a Budo (martial arts) school. 1. Kyokushin is derived from Okinawa Shotokan Karate, different from our school, Goju-ryu. 2. Taekwondo also historically comes from Shotokan Karate. A Korean Shotokan Karateka went back home from Japan and opened a Karate Dojo. At first they called themselves Karateka, and their techniques Karate but gradually began to call them Taekwondo. They use still the same Dogi(clothes) belt and techniques as Karate. To me Taekwondo is just a school of Karate, not Korean original martial arts.
I like this tkd dude, he kicks with his lower shin, at first i was surprised he kicks that hard throwing the pad holder off balance, at closer inspection i see him using not only his instep but also his lower shin, and he kicks through the target not just tiptoe, utilizes his hip fully before pulling back, all tkd dudes i know are very restrictive, considering it taboo to mix up their styles.
This is a great video, as FMA (Filipino Martial Art- consist of Arnis/Escrima/hampakan, panuntukan, dumog and sikaran) instructor, i'm still learning from other art as well, I studied Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai and Aikido besides FMA. I also want to study Hapkido if i have a chance. Being a martial artist is being adoptive to every situation. Sorry for my english, it's not my 1st language.
je ne parle pas français, But I loved this video. I learned a lot from both instructors and plan to use it in my up coming sparing and training. merci beaucoup
MOST DANGEROSE martial art is wing chung and silat use it together no one can touch you even 40 people cant beat you if u learn it and i learn that for 10 years without teacher
Je ne pratique pas, j'observe juste différents arts depuis quelques années, et bien que n'aimant pas le TKD, j'ai trouvé la technique plus utile pour une situation de self-défense : car si on arrive à place un premier coup de pied (ce qui est du domaine du rêve, car ça empêche rarement le mec en face de vous coller une patate en même temps, vu que vous arrivez à son niveau), il est probablement déstabilisant de pivoter ainsi pour enchaîner un 2e kick (qui là pour le coup de grandes chance de KO). Par contre, la technique de karaté présentée me paraît limite irréaliste : 1. La première partie (entre 9:35 et 9:36) constituée de la double parade est techniquement magnifique et possible si effectivement l'adversaire fait un jab suivi d'un crochet, mais il est du domaine de la rareté d'avoir un adversaire aussi peu vif et qui n'hésiterait pas avec des micro-mouvements. Ce serait donc à placer lors d'un moment où l'on se jauge et où l'adversaire décide de venir en sentant notre faiblesse et gagne en confiance : sauf que la contradiction ici (on le voit en repassant le moment plusieurs fois d'affilée) est que NICOLAS hésite (il s'attend, car il est préparé, à se manger un contre) et que Miguel lui n'est pas essoufflé. On est donc classiquement dans l'inversion des rôles, assez commune aux techniques de salles. 2. La deuxième partie (coude dans mâchoires) présuppose une non-résistance, sans oscillation gauche-droite du corps de l'adversaire, limite irréaliste sauf si vraiment on enchaîne très vite. Le choc respiratoire causé par le coup à l'abdomen est cool (et utile), mais il serait peut-être plus réaliste de placer directement un coup aux mâchoires avec prise de la nuque par la paume de la main (plus réaliste). Mais dans 99% des cas, il faudra s'attendre à voir le type faire un pas tout en se prenant le coup dans les mâchoires (il essaiera de bouger, ne serait-ce que par le choc en titubant), et donc d'avoir un désaxage dans nos positions. 3. La troisième partie nécessite d'avoir des fringues pour la prise, ce qui est rarement le cas en UFC, donc obsolète, mais le cas dans la rue, donc utile. Par contre, l'isolation du bras droit est limite là aussi, ou alors suppose que l'ennemi se débatte peu (ne cherche pas à nous saisir nos fringues à nous pendant qu'il est en clef de tête) et que l'on ait une très bonne pression sur son bras (ou sur son vêtement comme le fait Miguel avec sa main gauche, ce qui "force" le bras à être gardé sous l'aisselle ou du moins dans l'axe son notre bras à nous). PAR CONTRE, la rotation style judo ici présentée impose une légère torsion à notre épaule droite, et l'on doit (probablement) un peu forcer tout en jetant notre jambe droite en arrière pour ramener l'adversaire vers l'avant. A confirmer par Miguel. Mais il est à mon avis sûr que l'adversaire ne sera pas aussi docile que Nicolas (s'il n'est pas un civil non-entraîné, ou simplement s'il est très agressif et teigneux) et ne se laissera pas faire juste après l'isolation du bras, donc sa résistance amènera une difficulté supplémentaire pour réaliser la prise. Il faudrait donc aller très vite et violemment lors de l'isolation du bras, pour ne pas laisser la moindre chance. C'est possible, mais peu probable sur un individu très agressif. Disons que la technique ici présentée (en tous cas sa première moitié) est la meilleure qui soit dans l'idée d'une interception, et qu'elle est même plutôt réaliste malgré ses irréalités possibles, mais qu'elle serait à tester dans diverses situations. Pour moi, si on arrive à l'étape de l'isolation du bras, l'utilisation de notre JAMBE GAUCHE pour balayer sa jambe droite (et sa gauche en même temps) vers notre droite serait plus court et amènerait au même résultat, sans tension d'épaule. Ou variante : plutôt qu'une mise à terre, un sérieux coup de genou avec notre JAMBE DROITE (déjà armé en arrière) dans le ventre ou les parties génitales. Mais c'est moins humiliant et calmant qu'une mise à terre (qui n'est pas exclue par la suite). La mise à terre est envisageable pour un individu "à calmer", mais un agresseur doit être mis hors d'état par une vive douleur : OR, luxer son épaule ou le mettre KO avec notre BRAS GAUCHE une fois qu'il est à terre est très difficile voire impossible si malheureusement, n'y arrivant pas, on doit lâcher son bras droit (il risque de s'enfuir, et de récupérer). Voire même, c'est trop long car d'autres amis à lui peuvent être là. Donc l'opterais pour le coup de genou, et la mise à terre ensuite mais en option ; ou la fuite avec si possible un kick latéral une fois lâché pour le faire tomber en arrière et avoir le temps. Ne me dites pas "c'est pas du self-défense", par pitié, les arts martiaux ça sert à ça. Et en UFC, il faut bien mettre KO le gars aussi. Et là, sans fringues, le coup de genou est plus naturel (ça et d'autres moyens pour amener à terre). En tous cas bravo, c'est propre et on sent que ça a été drillé. Simplement, une variante plus expéditive juste près le choc respiratoire serait appréciée (ex : poing au menton), ou une mise à terre juste près le coude en profitant de l'étourdissement pour enchaîner sans le passage un peu fastidieux (et risqué) de la clef de tête.
*C'est très joli de voir la rencontre entre karaté et taekwando. Et quand je vois l'insistance du karaté à travailler à la fois mains et pieds de manière équilibrée, je pense que le taekwando a réellement besoin de revoir l'image qu'il donne à cause des JO. car la plupart des pratiquants sont de facto influencés par l'idée devenue prophétie auto-réalisée que le taekwando, c'est surtout les jambes. le karaté est équilibré*
This is how we, martial artists, communicate, sharing knowledges and skills. Not claiming one is the best and bashing another.
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Martial artist knows how to communicate with fellow Martial artist...
I always emphazise to my students:
👉Modesty
👉Respect
👉Etiquette (outside and inside the Dojo)
👉Learn (from other art) -theres no perfect system.
👉Defend NOT Offend.
Bullshit, a true martial arts expert would prefer to prove his abilities in real fighting/battle rather than just keep talking without being able to prove the technique that he/she learned.
Challenging each other between martial arts expert has existed since ancient time, so if there is a martial arts expert who can only talk, most likely he/she is just bullshido master.
i wanted to see teeth flying, guts falling out and after that, a perfect rendition of pacman ;) Then i would believe in fighting, a taser is still the best martial arts :)
@@Yudi.Hilmawan i agree, in terms, a real martial artist shares knowlege, AND, compare yourself with other martial artists, but not claim his own art is the best, but, himself is (sorry my english, it's not my main language)
I dont understand French, and I used to do Taekwondo for my state. But what I can say is it's great to see the respect of both the martial artists towards each other and their respective arts.
I agree dude. This was awesome to see. Both gentlemen were AMAZING! This is why it is better to compare with the idea of stealing techniques with modesty, honor and respect.
yes this is fantastic, i'd love to see more dojos do discipline sharing. tae kwon do's kicks and distance fighting with karate's grit and rough punches is a scary combination.
@azerty azertu you know translating directly from google translate gives you wack results right?
Subtitles are now available !!!
@@karatebushido Merci!
C'est beau l'association des deux disciplines dans le respect sans dénigrer l'un ou l'autre !! C'est sa le sport, les arts martiaux !
For those of you commenting say which one is better have lost the message of this video. You don't need subtitles to visually see that these two men uphold a mutual sign of respect. Martial arts come from different parts of the world, with different purposes behind them. The most important thing is etiquette, not solely dojo etiquette within the dojo. A Sensei teaches his/her knowledge and wisdom from their own experiences and tries to input that information into their students minds to remember and learn that. Upholding respect is learning new things from others, who may not do the same style as you, but being able to learn new things from others makes you a more broad minded martial artist. I, myself studied Shotokan Karate for over 25 years, and I never refer to myself as a Karateka. I am a Martial Artist, Karate is my foundation, as I have the most knowledge in this area, but it doesn't mean that I cannot adapt and learn new things from others. So please, when you know another martial artist, don't defend your martial art, but discuss and exchange knowledge with each other. Oss.
My god finally someone who think like me, I practice taekwondo since I'm 6, (I'm 19) and growing up, my master always told us "You may practice taekwondo, but be always open to something new, the more you learn, the more complete you become, the better you would be", each month or 2,we invite several martial artist from every style, and we learn new things. I love it. (kind of awkward cause I don't know if what I wrote between the "" really means what I wanted to say)
@@specimenskitz your teacher sounds like a wise man and has taught you well. I'm glad that he brings other people to your classes and learn something new from others. Even literally altering a move with a twist or move it in different angle, just by a few millimetres can dramatically alter a technique. As long as you can compare it, learn from it and utilise it, that makes you a better martial artist, with a broader knowledge that can teach others in the future. You know, only yesterday, I read something that I will give as advice to you...When you want to learn something, learn it as if you would teach it towards others. By doing it that way, you become more focused and interested in getting it right and passing that knowledge on to others and when you are actually teaching them the specific thing you want them to learn, you are also educating yourself, going through the process of steps yourself. Apply that through life and I am sure you will learn quite a lot.
@@Marco-iy7lt Thanks for the advice, I will try it tonight! :)
@@specimenskitz your much more than welcome, and more than anything, always be consistent with your martial arts training throughout your life! The level of devotion and dedication turns into discipline, that prevents you procrastinating in your life.
@@Marco-iy7lt Don't worry for this, for me discipline is the key to everything, and throughout the years I've seen the benefits of it :)
J'aime beaucoup l'intégration et l'échange entre les deux arts et non pas le match pour savoir qui est le meilleur comme ont le vois que trop souvent. Échange et respect comme dans cette vidéo très intéressante
That’s what I’m talking about!!! No bashing other arts at all! This is what it means to be a true Master!!! When we can come together and teach each other and combine them as one. My Master teaches me Taekwondo and judo. But I also like jujitsu to. And I would like to learn from them and also teach them what I know. This right here is great!
you can also search up Tri firy taekwondo that's where I found tkd
nice idea ! thats what we do in our wado-kai karate jutsu dojo in CRO. behind WKF we do littlebit of jujutsu, judo, aikido, aikijutsu, TKD ITF. kickboxing. all friends clubs from city or country. often visit! really nice
@@marinerovrataric4979 MOST DANGEROSE martial art is wing chung and silat use it together no one can touch you even 40 people cant beat you if u learn it and i learn that for 10 years without teacher
Agreed ! I practice Taekwondo and Muay Thai, but would love to learn Judo- Look I'm Japan thee police don't carry guns, but they all have black belts in Judo. Nuff said there. Keep practicing brother, much love
@@ezrafelulama8154 This is nonsense, and childish as well!
Wooooooowwww i never seen a Fitnesscenter like that.!!!
It is a Paradise !!!!
Best Greetings from Austria ;))))
Unsers ist nicht das beste, schönste, oder grösste, aber zum trainieren machts Bock und ich konnte vieles lernen.
Superbe salle de sport. J'ai pratiqué la boxe française, le kickboxing de 1994 à 2016. Aujourd'hui je pratique le karaté shotokan depuis 2ans, je suis ceinture bleue, au début l'adaptation a été difficile, surtout recommencer à zero ceinture blanche!! mais j'ai perseveré, mon expérience m'a facilité les choses et maintenant je m'eclate. Il faut respecter toutes les disciplines et ne pas hésiter à en découvrir de nouvelles. Osu
C'est drôle de faire le chemin dans ce sens, souvent les gens commencent le karaté et abandonnent par manque de contenu concret
@@mickaelm5671 j'ai 47 ans à un moment il faut savoir tourner la page de la boxe. De plus le karaté est un art martial, la boxe pieds poings un sport, le karaté a un contenu concret bien plus grand que la boxe. J'ai fait un stage avec Jean Pierre lavorato, il a 73 ans 9eme dan, il faut le voir exercer, la boxe ça ne conserve pas comme ça. Je me suis éclaté à la boxe, maintenant je m'éclate au karaté.osu
@@blacksabbath2559 si tu rencontre du monde dans le karaté tu verras que beaucoup s'inspirent de la boxe ou du MMA pour compléter le karaté car l'enseignement qu'on peut recevoir en karaté est pour moi très limité. Les gens désirant progresser en combat vont vers ces sports pied poing. Il y a d'ailleurs le karaté défense (qui s'est créé pour contrer le krav Maga) qui fait très boxe et qui dénature complètement le karaté. J'aime le côté mystique du karaté face à la boxe mais bien souvent le karaté est mal enseigné car mal compris.
A mon âge peu importe, la boxe me sert pour progresser au karaté. Une petite vidéo pour défendre le karaté
ruclips.net/video/CQr950AhbRE/видео.html
En fait je pratique aussi le karaté depuis des années et je cherche à le défendre aussi mais justement en sortant des sentiers battus en étudiant la défense plutôt que l'attaque qui est tout le temps mise en avant. Car pour moi l'étude de la défense est le vrai secret du karaté. Dans l'attaque il y a peu de sensations à apprendre, ce sont que du développement d'aptitudes physique avec du timing. La défense est plus fine a apprendre.
This is awesome.
If doctors can learn from each other about medicine, if mechanics can learn from each other about how to do maintenance on a car, if musicians can learn from each other on how to play or compose music, then there's no reason why martial artists cannot appreciate each other's style and learn so both improves.
Respect, écoute, humilité, curiosité le savoir, ce sont les choses qui ressortent de votre échange, BRAVO!!
It's really great to see mutual respect and learning.
Le prof de karaté est vraiment dans cette optique moderne, du mma et de l'application du shotokan dans des cas de self défense concret, et ça, c'est bon pour le karaté !
Exactement.
On voit bien la patte Karaté Machida, dont il est le representant en France.
Tout à fait d'accord.
Mais pourquoi tu fais si mal avec le "sa" huh j'ai vrmt mal
Absolument
l'application du karate en self defense , ça a toujours été le cas.....en plus d'être un art de santé...mais aujourd'hui tellement de clubs pratiquent uniquement le côté sportif de non contact que les gens sont perdus...
Il est spécialisé dans quel genre de karaté ? Parce que j'ai pratiqué plusieurs styles et je n'ai jamais appris de mawachi tsuki
This was cool and encouraging to see. Loving these guys sharing techs and honestly speaking with respect to one another. This is how it should be.
La salle des sports est magnifique
Le prix aussi est magnifique.......
@@orochimarueco5853 combien?
@Esteban Outeiral Dias 25 euro pr l'entrée (un jour ) 94 euro pour le mois
@Esteban Outeiral Dias sans
@Esteban Outeiral Dias chais très bien moi dans ma salle c 16 euro par mois
Bon sang que les gestes sont bien exécuter... C'est vraiment beau a voir et... Efficacité a coup sûr...... Très belle démo merci...
Parabéns aos dois mestres, mostra respeito às duas artes, não superioridade entre e sim muita eficiência, não deixando de mencionar a academia linda.
4:46 tremendo golpe😂😂
Si tremendo golpe que le dio
@@arielchinga6712 suele pasar cuando están distraídos, también me ha pasado jajaja
mala la técnica para agarrar el dommy
Mano eso lo que fue es rolo de coñazo
taekwondo for speed and distance fight , karate for strengh and close combat.
the matter is not what the discipline you own, but the matter is inside yourself
They have respect for eachother and I love it . Two different styles.
@6:10 I knew he would go for the Ura-mawashi! Its one of the best point scores in Karate when you are up close. However normally its only used in Shotokan type matches where you go for points and not knockouts (as in say kyokushin).
Il est très calme ce monsieur , il inspire un grand respect
J'ai compris plus que prévu, mon français ne semble pas être si mauvais après toutes les années :-D
Technique et mouvement super!
Salutations d'Allemagne
Deutsche/r?
Jedenfalls ist Ihr Name cool😉👍
@@sususaaed4060 Ja :) Vielen Dank ;-)
ja wohl mein bro .
I’ve trained in karate for last 25 years and I think the karate technique was way too complicated a technique to use as an example. Some competition stuff would of been far more practical
You cannot use the whole kata in a real fight but you can use some moves in it
he was teaching something far too complicated to someone new to the art. He shouldn't be teaching bunkai but should be showing it.
Thanks for this great video! Merci pour cette magnifique vidéo, j'ai bien aimé le respect entre les deux experts, ce sont de très bons exemples à suivre dans le monde des arts martiaux.
I keep coming back to this video.. both these arts are beautiful ❤️
Best tutorial 😍😍
I’ve done taekwondo since I was 5 and it’s been 6 years and I still think this sport is great in kicking and hand to hand combat but I really respect karate:)
MOST DANGEROSE martial art is wing chung and silat use it together no one can touch you even 40 people cant beat you if u learn it and i learn that for 10 years without teacher
I cant understand french but I am a karate practitioner and its so good how both martial artist practice and exchange techniques and not brag which art is better. I think this a new step in breaking the boundaries and letting other arts share their knowledge.
I like how the karate guy moves when he's getting ready for the kick. He looks like he's done a lot of sparring. Knows how to move in a real fight; something that was really missing from the McDojo I went to.
I think karate is the best bcz. It helps in street fight as I experienced.
Voilà une vidéo qui doit ravir les karatékas, comme pratiquement toutes les vidéos qui mettent en relation les deux disciplines, c'est une fois encore une écrasante victoire du Karaté aussi bien sur la technique que sur l'efficacité !!!
Le karate ne fait pas le poids face au kun fu
Respect monsieur Miguel. Vous êtes humble et très intéressant. Belle découverte.
This is awesome！Both technique is simple and practical.
Wow! Just wow. Big invest and a beautyfull Dojo/Gym. Wish you much succes!
I love how they’re training together. It’s all about learning from each other, enjoying a good sweat together, and sharing wisdom.
I miss Taekwondo 😔
Miguel's left hand jodan uke with the left upper arm instead of the lower arm while closing in makes it easy for trapping and controlling the right side of the opponent's body. This is the beauty of adapting a kata (eg. geksai dai ich ) to the attack. Awesome Sensei Xavier. There are so many aspects of Kata Gek Sai dai ichi (Goju ryu) I can see applied in context. The kata comes alive!
4:47 I know that feeling the bag holder wasn't ready ouch!
Ouch... the moment you feel your brain crash inside your head.
That kick was a finisher forsure
Face à des hommes pareil, je me sens tout petit humain. Autant de puissance et de noblesse dans tant d'humilité....
Bon bah on va retourner s’entraîner à devenir des humains digne de ce nom les gars haha
Cool cet échange de pratiquants d'arts martiaux😊😊😊
They are talking about kicks and fancy kicks and kicks and kicks. Karate is a full striking art using every part as a striker not just legs and legs legs.
It has often put me off learning martial arts because although I like and appreciate the sense of spirituality and the fitness side , also we see here the mutual respect and exchange o f ideas and concepts . It takes years to learn these moves and master them so as they can be practical . real fights last seconds , no more than a couple of minutes at most . can and often do come out of the blue and from all sides. Often you will have multiple opponents. Not just one antagonist who is building up to a fight by insulting or posturing first . Its great when you see this choreogrphy and signaling readyness to each other . It works in sport where competitions 2 opponents agree to rules . When you are taught to take down someone using 4 to 5 carfully executed moves , it just seems so much to do hence it takes years before you can even go out on the streets and have a chance to defend or fight. To be honest the last thing I would do is talk about being into martial arts unless I had trained for at least 5 to 6 years and then been in sitautions where I was exposed to situations where combat was needed
Excellent ! Je bosse à 500m... Je connaissais la salle de nom seulement mais cette vidéo m'a juste convaincu. Les tarifs ne sont pas donnés mais l'enseignement, la salle semblent y être excellents... Il ne reste plus qu'à budgétiser tout ça pour venir vous rejoindre.
Frédéric Martinez bah là c’est un crédit qu’il va falloir prendre. J’imagine le
Prix vu les profs et la salle, souvent Venum c’est pas
Donne
Non, pas donné, c'est pour ça que je n'y suis pas encore.
I used to be a tkd player for how many years but, Taekwondo here in the Philippines doesn't focus on punches. That's why I like Karate more than tkd and my perception is i want to learn martial arts where I can use in self defense.
Nice to see 2 different martial arts respect and give another a chance to share techniques and experiences. Good video.
Roooooo la salle de ouf !!!! Le prof a l’air super pro !! Trop bien !!
Awesome. Two arts getting together appreciate each other and LEARN from each other. Bon Job les gas!
c'est magnifique comme lieu ce venom camp! la classe! je suis étonné du côté hyper technique et complexe du karaté.... faut avoir une sacrée mémoire je pense
Act Oui sûrement mais c’est surtout l’entraînement et les reflex viendront, mtn tu peux faire des katas ou des enchaînements les yeux fermés
Beautiful example of respect. I will say that I will practice both examples in my own karate training. Always be open to learn new things and adapt what you already know.
The real reason people dismiss Taekwondo is LAZINESS. People dont have the patience to develop the level of flexibility and co-ordination to actually be good in it. Through TKD, and the way it improves your hip flexors, you can excel in most sports just for that reason. One head kick from a heavyweight like myself and the legend Borot here is all that is needed to fell any opponent of ANY size....trust me...The neck and the head can only handle so much force. The dangerous thing about heavyweight TKD fighters is that a few are very fast (like Borot) which is not "normal" for most human beings over 90kg, as well as the lighter weights being extremely quick. No pride here, just being honest. (2nd Dan TKD guy who has fought in a competition with Mickael Borot)
Its not really Taekwondo vs Karate. It is a person using his version of each of the art in his own way.
I practice jujitsu, to me i ll chose karate than tkd
Muay Thai still the best for me. ❤
Callate Pichi!
M Xavier, quelle technicité ! Vous méritez au moins 2 dan de plus !
That's not real TKD, that's the sport version. The REAL TKD has hand techniques and blocks in ADDITION to kicks, not kicks 100% of the time. I'm a 1st Dan who's master is a born and raised South Korean and I guess that was to my benefit because he taught us the real deal. Hell even us black belts had (I say "had" because I don't go there anymore, 7 hours away in college lol) BJJ in our curriculum. Real TKD looks a lot like the Karate demonstration (TKD was developed from Shotokan) and not what you see in tournaments and in the Olympics. I wish the real TKD was a lot more prevalent, but unfortunately others aren't as lucky as I was
The most part of Tkd clubs are concentrated on the "fight part".
Those clubs forget Hoshinsul, kibon, hanbon.... and very technical poomse also.
There is not a lot of "Traditional" club nowadays.
(Sorry for mistakes. I'm french 😅)
I understood you perfectly and you're right, a lot of TKD places are just for the sport. Since the place I went to is largely traditional we did Poomse, hoshinsul etc.
There’s a small handful of places that still practice traditional TKD. I’m fortunate to train under Grand Master DA Yun who trains the Korean army. His style is geared for practicality and survival in the original Chang Hon style of TKD.
Dude you dont have to train the olympic one in my school if u dont want.we train all the same kicks that are in ITF. And you can train boxing behind it aswell if ur so fucking stupid and cant do it yourself lmao
Mr karatekidfromkorea
Beautiful place..congrats!!
In ITF TaeKwon-Do, if after you kick you land that close to the opponent you will get punch in the face, but is obvious that is how WTF train since they don't use their hands other than hugging.
LE RESPECT EST LA BASE DE TOUT ... MERCI DE NOUS MONTRER ÇA DANS CETTE VIDÉO ...
Ja" vi alguns videos desse jovem praticante de taekwondo, não e" taekwondo x karate e sim uma troca bem amistosa de conhecimento entre esses dois atletas das difetentes artes marciais.
great to watch the blending and teaching back and forth
I just learned my first French word. “Boom”.
I can tell the karate practitioner could deliver some devastating leg kicks. Very powerful in his execution
Its not about a Martial art that we learn but its about a personal discipline in learning
I practice karate, but i love and respect all the other martial arts 👍
Typiquement le type de vidéo que je kiffe de votre chaîne. Et le karaté me manque aussi ^^'
we cannott judge which martial arts is better its just matter of person who train.
very helpful
regards taekwondo kid Indonesia papua
Tall Taekwondo Dude. Those legs will kill you.
Zakk Zenn damn leg will reach you like groot reaching apple from a tree
any taekwondo legs will kill you :))) it's the one thing we actually excel at :)))
Tell that to a tall muay thai fighter
@@efeonobrakpeya9883 I practice taekwondo since 13years, and was thinking kind of the same, don't know if I stand a chance against mhuay Thai fighter as experienced in his discipline as I am in mine 😅 But we've got way more kicks than them, wich make us more "complete" with our leg, also TKD vs MT is speed against brutal power, for me it can go either way :)
@Renzo Wesker My ambitions are to add mhuay Thai as a complement to TKD, but first I need to finish school😅 And yes I know that, where I train we invite other people to try a new martial art once a month, We invited a Mhuay Thai "Master" (IDK if you call it master in this discipline) and it was crazy to spar him, like he was hitting hard as fuck (we did it with a full body protection), impossible to beat for me😂
beaucoup de respect de la part des deux pratiquant sa fait plaisir a voir
Karate moves are mostly Choregraphed style, pleasing to watch, useful only if the opponent is lame with zero martial arts skills..taekwondo on the other hand is mostly about high flying kicks with too much possibilities of actually missing the desired target, also impact of kicks are not brute....Yes we are not here to discuss which is better over whom..nice video which showing mutual exchange of own styles..and I am sure such mutual exchange will definitely help in evolving these martial arts form...Because MMA and Muai Thai are most sought after these days..
Which one do you prefer ?
This isn't Taekwondo vs Karate. This is Miguel Xavier vs Mickael Borot. These two martial artists are not the sanctioned representatives of each style. To be fair, unless we invent robots that can carry out techniques and ideals to absolute perfection, you will never have a contest that is truly style vs style. Only one martial artist to another martial artist.
That place is a paradise 😍
it's not about the place it's about how you train you dont weights just improvise
I like the exchange of knowledge. Very nice!
El karate y el taekwondo son las artes marciales que más se parecen entre ellas, en karate se trabajan más los golpes de mano y en taekwondo se trabajan más los golpes de pierna
omg, this is Olympic taekwondo which is equal ant to ballet.
TRY ITF TAEKWONDO! This is the real original Taekwondo!
This was a great video more of this please
Hi I think your running a great place for Modern Day Fighters. Brilliant Facilities. The Taekwondo Man look like a Novice nexted to you. Well Done keep the Good Work. Thanks Mark
excelente video... saludos desde Chile... oss
Ahah 5:50 j'adore ) bravo les gars, beaucoup de respect entre vous c'est sympa à voir
I don't understand much of martial arts, but for me for the Karate teacher could do the Taekwondo moves very well but for the Taekwondo teacher the Karate moves were difficult.
"Hi, I'm here to apply for the Assistant Taekwondo/Karate Demonstrator position."
"What are your qualifications?"
"My belt is too long."
"You're hired."
Karate or Taekwondo or Kyokushin?
I am a practioner of Okinawa Karate, Goju-ryu. I went to Okinawa to be trained in Karate from Europe.
I have learnt the history of martial arts of the world at a Budo (martial arts) school.
1. Kyokushin is derived from Okinawa Shotokan Karate, different from our school, Goju-ryu.
2. Taekwondo also historically comes from Shotokan Karate. A Korean Shotokan Karateka went back home from Japan and opened a Karate Dojo. At first they called themselves Karateka, and their techniques Karate but gradually began to call them Taekwondo. They use still the same Dogi(clothes) belt and techniques as Karate. To me Taekwondo is just a school of Karate, not Korean original martial arts.
Merci beaucoup pour votre partage , très belle vidéo 👏👏👏
Excellent Class, Great skills, perfect respect !!! Congratulations !!!
Super vidéo
Je pensait me remettre au karaté ou aïkido mais maintenant c'est sur.
Un grand merci
+1 abonné
( PS: Ta salle est très belle )
I like this tkd dude, he kicks with his lower shin, at first i was surprised he kicks that hard throwing the pad holder off balance, at closer inspection i see him using not only his instep but also his lower shin, and he kicks through the target not just tiptoe, utilizes his hip fully before pulling back, all tkd dudes i know are very restrictive, considering it taboo to mix up their styles.
Super!! Im 52 years ,and 8 kyu shotokan+1 Dan taekwondo WTF+15 years profesional army!! Video very good...super!!!
This is a great video, as FMA (Filipino Martial Art- consist of Arnis/Escrima/hampakan, panuntukan, dumog and sikaran) instructor, i'm still learning from other art as well,
I studied Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai and Aikido besides FMA. I also want to study Hapkido if i have a chance.
Being a martial artist is being adoptive to every situation.
Sorry for my english, it's not my 1st language.
Good job master...
😇👍👍👍👍
Both of them are so alike. Taekwondo wouldn’t be a Martial Art if Karate didn’t exist.
Super vidéo
Karate guy wants to simulate the entire fight lol
Génial! J'ai adoré cet échange!!!
This gym is absolutely beautiful
je ne parle pas français,
But I loved this video. I learned a lot from both instructors and plan to use it in my up coming sparing and training.
merci beaucoup
MOST DANGEROSE martial art is wing chung and silat use it together no one can touch you even 40 people cant beat you if u learn it and i learn that for 10 years without teacher
it is taken from the first movement of pinan shodan kata.
Je ne pratique pas, j'observe juste différents arts depuis quelques années, et bien que n'aimant pas le TKD, j'ai trouvé la technique plus utile pour une situation de self-défense : car si on arrive à place un premier coup de pied (ce qui est du domaine du rêve, car ça empêche rarement le mec en face de vous coller une patate en même temps, vu que vous arrivez à son niveau), il est probablement déstabilisant de pivoter ainsi pour enchaîner un 2e kick (qui là pour le coup de grandes chance de KO). Par contre, la technique de karaté présentée me paraît limite irréaliste :
1. La première partie (entre 9:35 et 9:36) constituée de la double parade est techniquement magnifique et possible si effectivement l'adversaire fait un jab suivi d'un crochet, mais il est du domaine de la rareté d'avoir un adversaire aussi peu vif et qui n'hésiterait pas avec des micro-mouvements. Ce serait donc à placer lors d'un moment où l'on se jauge et où l'adversaire décide de venir en sentant notre faiblesse et gagne en confiance : sauf que la contradiction ici (on le voit en repassant le moment plusieurs fois d'affilée) est que NICOLAS hésite (il s'attend, car il est préparé, à se manger un contre) et que Miguel lui n'est pas essoufflé. On est donc classiquement dans l'inversion des rôles, assez commune aux techniques de salles.
2. La deuxième partie (coude dans mâchoires) présuppose une non-résistance, sans oscillation gauche-droite du corps de l'adversaire, limite irréaliste sauf si vraiment on enchaîne très vite. Le choc respiratoire causé par le coup à l'abdomen est cool (et utile), mais il serait peut-être plus réaliste de placer directement un coup aux mâchoires avec prise de la nuque par la paume de la main (plus réaliste). Mais dans 99% des cas, il faudra s'attendre à voir le type faire un pas tout en se prenant le coup dans les mâchoires (il essaiera de bouger, ne serait-ce que par le choc en titubant), et donc d'avoir un désaxage dans nos positions.
3. La troisième partie nécessite d'avoir des fringues pour la prise, ce qui est rarement le cas en UFC, donc obsolète, mais le cas dans la rue, donc utile. Par contre, l'isolation du bras droit est limite là aussi, ou alors suppose que l'ennemi se débatte peu (ne cherche pas à nous saisir nos fringues à nous pendant qu'il est en clef de tête) et que l'on ait une très bonne pression sur son bras (ou sur son vêtement comme le fait Miguel avec sa main gauche, ce qui "force" le bras à être gardé sous l'aisselle ou du moins dans l'axe son notre bras à nous). PAR CONTRE, la rotation style judo ici présentée impose une légère torsion à notre épaule droite, et l'on doit (probablement) un peu forcer tout en jetant notre jambe droite en arrière pour ramener l'adversaire vers l'avant. A confirmer par Miguel. Mais il est à mon avis sûr que l'adversaire ne sera pas aussi docile que Nicolas (s'il n'est pas un civil non-entraîné, ou simplement s'il est très agressif et teigneux) et ne se laissera pas faire juste après l'isolation du bras, donc sa résistance amènera une difficulté supplémentaire pour réaliser la prise.
Il faudrait donc aller très vite et violemment lors de l'isolation du bras, pour ne pas laisser la moindre chance. C'est possible, mais peu probable sur un individu très agressif. Disons que la technique ici présentée (en tous cas sa première moitié) est la meilleure qui soit dans l'idée d'une interception, et qu'elle est même plutôt réaliste malgré ses irréalités possibles, mais qu'elle serait à tester dans diverses situations.
Pour moi, si on arrive à l'étape de l'isolation du bras, l'utilisation de notre JAMBE GAUCHE pour balayer sa jambe droite (et sa gauche en même temps) vers notre droite serait plus court et amènerait au même résultat, sans tension d'épaule.
Ou variante : plutôt qu'une mise à terre, un sérieux coup de genou avec notre JAMBE DROITE (déjà armé en arrière) dans le ventre ou les parties génitales. Mais c'est moins humiliant et calmant qu'une mise à terre (qui n'est pas exclue par la suite). La mise à terre est envisageable pour un individu "à calmer", mais un agresseur doit être mis hors d'état par une vive douleur : OR, luxer son épaule ou le mettre KO avec notre BRAS GAUCHE une fois qu'il est à terre est très difficile voire impossible si malheureusement, n'y arrivant pas, on doit lâcher son bras droit (il risque de s'enfuir, et de récupérer). Voire même, c'est trop long car d'autres amis à lui peuvent être là.
Donc l'opterais pour le coup de genou, et la mise à terre ensuite mais en option ; ou la fuite avec si possible un kick latéral une fois lâché pour le faire tomber en arrière et avoir le temps. Ne me dites pas "c'est pas du self-défense", par pitié, les arts martiaux ça sert à ça. Et en UFC, il faut bien mettre KO le gars aussi. Et là, sans fringues, le coup de genou est plus naturel (ça et d'autres moyens pour amener à terre).
En tous cas bravo, c'est propre et on sent que ça a été drillé. Simplement, une variante plus expéditive juste près le choc respiratoire serait appréciée (ex : poing au menton), ou une mise à terre juste près le coude en profitant de l'étourdissement pour enchaîner sans le passage un peu fastidieux (et risqué) de la clef de tête.
*C'est très joli de voir la rencontre entre karaté et taekwando. Et quand je vois l'insistance du karaté à travailler à la fois mains et pieds de manière équilibrée, je pense que le taekwando a réellement besoin de revoir l'image qu'il donne à cause des JO. car la plupart des pratiquants sont de facto influencés par l'idée devenue prophétie auto-réalisée que le taekwando, c'est surtout les jambes. le karaté est équilibré*
C'est les JO et le TKD combat qui donne cela, mais les cours technique sont sympa plus traditionnelle.
They mostly pointed out similarities which is nice because all martial arts comes from the same tree