The Lexus GX is the 150-series Land Cruiser Prado. These are built to last a minimum of 25 years in the world’s harshest conditions. You can’t say the same about your Jeep, Bronco or Land Rover.
@@trailrunnah8886 those are restored classics Answer me honestly, would you take a 25 year old jeep through the empty quarter desert or a 25 year old Land Cruiser/ Land Cruiser Prado?
@@trailrunnah8886 These are enthusiasts for the brand which will stop at nothing to keep them running strong. Even if that means throwing a little money at them.. To be fair, I have heard that the JL or 2019+ Jeeps are a little more reliable than the older ones..
@@johneldepresso think there might be some generalization here. No doubt the Prado has a great reputation and likely there are more still performing their duties than most other models or brands, but it’s not like others are incapable of lasting a similar length of time. The use and maintenance is just as important as what the vehicle is.
As a GX 460 owner I can tell you there is no better mid-size SUV on the market. Yes, the mpg is bad, yes it is dated, but the reliability and power in that 4.6L V8 is excellent. I'll pay a little more at the pump to know I'm not going to break down and have long-term reliability that doesn't cost me thousands of dollars out of know where.
The secret sauce of the GX is that its a 4 out of 5 in most categories. Towing? Not the best, but above average. Off-Road? Not the best, but above average. Ditto comfort. Ditto passenger and cargo space. It's big enough to do big car things, but it's way smaller and more nimble than it looks. The turning circle is unreal, the visibility out is better than most and its shockingly easy to drive in town. It's just just a damn fine all rounder. Fun tidbit of info on the center differential. The torque bias can go from 29:71 front to rear to 53:47 front to rear depending on road conditions and traction needs (nominal is 40:60 Front to rear as you said). So long as the front axle never needs more than 53% of the torque or the rear more than 71% then you have forward motion. If the surface demands torque outside of that range, lock the center and boom. 100:0. The front can can 100% or the rear can get 100% and anything in between.
Nice information I think you're from Australia because it is not common for americans to know this stuff. Anyway you've said the GX is above average off-road hmmmmmm let's talk about Toyota SUV's in usa after the land cruiser/LX the GX become the second best Toyota's off road vehicle due to the information that you've mentioned + it has V8 and kdss system In terms of towing I don't know what it can tow but it becomes third in towing after the land cruiser/LX and sequoia
Ryan, Are you an 'upscale adventurer' or just a normal guy with ungodly access to the press fleet? 😉 Since someone is bound to say it, rumors/rumours are afoot that the Prado is coming to North America. I really hope Toyota does not ruin that tall greenhouse by the time the Prado gets here and I also hope the more attainable, 2 door Prado is part of the next generation🤩
The GX is a much better way to go with the V8 instead of the anemic V6...full time 4WD is another great feature that is missing in the 4Runner for the most part except for the overpriced higher trim level, should be available in all trim levels for what they charge for that 4Runner sticker....the Lexus has plenty of luxury features to make you feel luxurious, but not so much that you wouldn't want to drive it to the ski resort in comfort and power.
Great review of a great vehicle. I sure hope Toyota does not ruin things with the new 4 Runner / GX platforms. Disappointing that the Off Road Package is only available with the most expensive top trim model.
Congrats on your subscription milestone! I had a question for you: Since you’ve driven both the LX570 and the GX460, which would you buy? Used LX570s are about the same price as new GX460s. The GX has KDSS but the LX has hydraulic suspension. I’m so torn on this decision!
I've narrowed my search down to the GX and RX for my next vehicle. My head wants the RX but my heart wants the GX. I'll probably end up with the GX thanks to great reviews like this.
Same thing with me! I spoke with my Lexus dealer and she said that the 2024 GX was going to have a V6 Turbo engine in it and that the wait for it was going to be at least 6 or more months, even longer off I wanted custom colors and a special interior. I wanted a no non-senseold school V8 to drive until the day that I die. This vehicle rides like a 1960s Cadillac Limo- strong, quiet and solid. If somebody wants speed, then do not purchase an SUV!
As a 2020 gx owner, who's looking at the new RX 500h because of all the new tech, it's hard to compare. I need to be able to tow my jet ski and boat in the future. For my outdoor lifestyle, I think I'll stick with the gx and get a hybrid for daily commute.
Honestly no one needs a 3rd row for full grown adults. I can't imagine a scenario where a small removable 3rd row isn't enough. The idea of having to fit 5 full grown adults into a vehicle... Just who? Why? Not one of them also drives? I don't understand why there is demand for third rows beyond parents who need to drive around the children's friends. Small third rows should be perfectly fine.
@@justfelix30 Large SUVs kind of suck, doesn't help that current automobiles continue to grow in size. Big is fine if that's what you're after, however you can't deny smaller means more maneuverable and less lumbering.
the gx is nice, but i love my 2016 4runner trail with KDSS, plus it has more cubic space than the gx. still, both vehicles are incredibly well built and there resale value is second to none, good video and keep up the great work.
I have a 2021 GX and replaced my Duelers with permanent winter/traction tires. I have to say I’ve never felt more unsafe driving on slippery surfaces than when I had the Duelers on the rig.
Yup, Lexus should've kept these equipped with Michelin LTs, like the previous years... The duelers totally suck on anything but dry and light rain! The Michelin LTX are perfect for the GX, if one doesn't want something like the KO2s
@@M5_Sonu oh is that why my 2020 GX is the only one that came with Michelins still? And then every other GX I saw had duelers I thought someone messed with my car lol
Lexus needs to get rid of the touch pad for sure. It’s very inconvenient. Touch screen and add more buttons to select for the infotainment would be better!
One thing to note about KDSS is it locks out above 11mph and the sway bars are always "engaged" regardless of conditions. This can make the ride a bit rougher when you're doing dirt trails and such as it reduces suspension travel. This is especially pronounced if you're using a stiffer and heavier tire like an all-terrain. Also, fun KDSS facts. It gives you an extra 1.5" (approximately) of travel both up and down (3" total) compared to a non-KDSS Prado equivalent. So it's a great way to get extra articulation from the factory with the added bonus of on road stability.
Funny about all this Land Rover came out with the same traction control system and the ace system to make the sway bar gets stiffer when entering corners and in low range super loose for crazy articulation totally Factory. You can watch the old Discovery 2 videos on the streets course doing a slalom with high-speed camera pointed directly at them also testing the Mercedes and the BMW and the Land Rover had the least lean because the ace system would stiffen it up before it started to lean what off-road crazy articulation from solid axles with Ace system letting the wheels go way up in the fenders and not to mention the traction control system that is ABS just like the a track on the Toyotas that still doesn't even work as good as an old Land Rover. If only Land Rover had made things as reliable as Toyota. I always get a kick out of watching so-called newer technology on stuff that was literally 23 years ago and still working on Rovers like mine once you work out some of the Kinks like a better cooling system and more accessible ignition coils but that's easy. The new Land Rovers are ridiculous they're very good off-road but I wouldn't trust one at all. I think the Grenadier is going to be awesome. They're really testing them here in America. In all reality the Jeep Rubicon Wrangler is the most capable front and rear lockers front and rear solid axles front and rear sway bar disconnects. But sometimes people want something that doesn't look like a Jeep LOL I feel the same way. Recently watched on tfl they tested this Lexus and a Range Rover Sport and the Range Rover traction control system worked way better on the spin test from every wheel put up on rollers. It's like the Toyota traction control system just doesn't grab hard enough right away the way even the old Landover kind of and it makes no sense cuz it's not technical as soon as it detects uneven will spend just grab the brake hard but Toyota doesn't they go gentle slowly ease into it and that sucks because it's bad enough you have any delay compared to a locker when getting stuck or not could mean the difference of that one or two seconds of momentum loss but at least make your traction control system more aggressive like Land Rover and it's not hard to do just grab the spinning wheel brake harder the first time
The GX can’t tow anything in stock form as the OEM Class IV hitch hasn’t been available for purchase in over 15 months…I know as I’ve been trying to buy one since October of 2021 and Lexus won’t say why I can’t…grrr.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD The only Class IV aftermarket hitch is made by NYTOP and they’re 3-4 months out and $900. It’s still in design phase though so the timeline could slip.
Yep- that's what I did. The new 2024 GX 550 will eventually be a great vehicle, it will have small things to get worked out, just like vevery other new line introduction vehicle. I did not want to wait several years for these quirks to get ironed out, so I bought the last year 2023 V8 and I am so happy with it. Also, the wait for the new GX 550 is insane, at least six months and the pre-order listing is over a year of deposits.
I love this vehicle, but is small for my need. i have 4 kids all with car seats the oldest 6 years old, and 2 twin strollers plus bags and miscellaneous i have to keep my 2016 Suburban which has been reliable till now with 97k mileages.
I would love you to get your hands on a 4Runner Limited to explore the differences between X-REAS and KDSS. I'm especially interested in the suspension travel of the X-REAS and how capable that Limited trim is off road with the A-TRAC system but with no lockers or software.
Really dumb that they only offer the off-road package on the luxury trim... Forces you into 19" wheels and rear air suspension plus a lot more glitz inside. Just screams off-roader, doesn't it?
While the MTS and CC ( crawl control ) are nice to have ( and can be easily added to your GX ! ) the built in ATRAC and KDSS plus locking center diff are more than sufficient for most ORing tasks!
Our 2022 came with Michelin Defenders thankfully. Haven't driven it in the snow yet, but I think they'll be decent. Really interested in the new BFG Trail Terrains. 3 peak rated and not as aggressive as the KO2s.
That's the vehicle I want. But they have to upgrade the inside for the price I need a more luxury interior. Just keep the same body. So I'm waiting to see the new GX
That is the biggest disappointment and the biggest mystery. The 4.6 V6 produced as much power with Regular when it was installed in the Tundra and Sequoia.
many use regular fuel. the engine is designed to re-time automatically. the same engine was in the tundra and used regular fuel... as is the case w/ the prado in many other parts of the world.
I think it's possible to use regular 87 you don't Nessisarly need to put an 89 or 91 all the time maybe put it once and the rest of the time put 87 so the time valve belt can adjust accordingly.
It's important to always use the center diff lock when actually off road otherwise you will strain the torsen diff because it's constantly detecting slip
@@theUltimateLord sure I’ve just never heard of issues in that respect. I know in the track and motorsports worlds, Torsens have a great reputation for lasting. Not much to go wrong with the simple worm gear design.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD from what I saw it’s still a gear set with some thrust washers. Does it have a tendency to wear out or get stressed more easily than other types?
The only downside to the hydraulic suspension is the cost of repair when you have issues out of warranty. People generally buy Lexus to keep long-term, so this is something to consider if someone wants to buy used or buy new to keep long term.
my '98 4runner has a hydraulic clutch. no clutch cables to replace. never had to do a thing to it other than replacing fluid. hydraulic systems are fantastic
Now imagine planting trees on the sides of those mountains. Unless you guys got enough soil where aerial seeding is possible, manually planting would suck, especially if what I've heard about american planting wages is true. I plant on the canadian shield where there isn't enough soil, so everyone has to be planted by hand, imagine charging up those hill 10 hours a day with a 50lb pack.
Great viewing from my perspective, thank you. One way they could make me WAY more interested in this thing is just making it look more capable. Reducing the overhangs and and all that bumper. Change nothing about the internals, just give it a better angles of approach and departure and make it look less tubby.
I would delete all the electronics if I could I don’t listen to music most of it I crap. the old fashioned 4Runner sells like crazy because it is old school. I really don’t want my office computer stuffed into the dash.
My father has a 2013 gx 460 really i bet that most powerfull and strong suvs are The Lexus lx and gx series also gx470 also too god for his productionyears 470 k kilmoters we drive since 2013 but fuel consumtion is too much i thing avg 19-20 litres per 100 km
It's a tank, it will last a lifetime, it's safe. But it's a dinosaur in terms of technology and has poor gas mileage. I want Lexus to offer a plug in hybrid with 40-50 miles of range and the performance of the new Sequoia. Good car nevertheless.
My 2022 GX460 when put in reverse it reduces the screen image smaller no matter how I tried to adjust. I think that’s how it is. Your video shows full screen in reverse on 2023 GX. Did they updated it? Thanks for the video.
I love your reviews for their practicality. But more than that, i love the views of PNW in your videos. Moved to US/Seattle last year and am love with how beautiful PNW is.
LC Prado is not available in the US because it's not made with all the fancy tech nor meets the US security requirements for this type of car (and is mostly available in diesel versions).
For that price in 2022 it has a lot of short comings for me. Plug in car play, dated interior, that touch pad. I will wait it out to decide if I want one.
I've been driving my '23 for about two weeks and I've gotten used to the touchpad. I don't think it's as bad as people think once you've used it for awhile and I actually find it easier to use while driving than reaching over to the touch screen. That said, I love buttons and would always prefer more buttons to menus, no matter how you access those menus. Loving the GX so far!
While the MTS and CC ( crawl control ) are nice to have ( and can be easily added to your GX ! ) the built in ATRAC and KDSS plus locking center diff are more than sufficient for most ORing tasks!
I have seen video of adding the MTS and crawl control, but not yet in 22 year model unless I am missing something. Mine is a 2022 and I cannot wait for me to be able to add it to mine when available.
My biggest issues with my 2022 is that the seats are ventilated, but not actively cooled as they should be at this price point. They become useless extremely quickly on a hot and humid day. The seats are also adequate for shorter trips, but become very uncomfortable on longer trips unlike the premium seats that many vehicles at this price point come with. What you do gain though is peace of mind knowing that this thing is going to be pretty darn reliable for a long time. I will probably replace my seats with a set of Scheel Mann seats in a year or so since I do a lot of long driving.
I just spent 3 weeks in Western Mongolia and Dave 2000KM in a Lexus 570 V8 minus 25c snow etc and went through frozen creeks like a champ!!! Toyota all the way, if one drives a Range Rover the Mongolians laugh at you. Rover breaks down NO spare parts , spare parts for Lexus and Toyota everywhere.
Looking for opinions on whether to go 2023 TRD Pro 4Runner at msrp or a 2022 or 2023 GX as a family car that will be our road trip warrior and see off road action maybe 20 times per year. Pros for 4Runner to me is mostly the cost, color and that it comes fully optioned pretty much due to being the top trim. Pros of the GX are the mostly the V8 sound and ride comfort. If I could get the off road package on a lower trim GX I think that would be the sweet spot but the fact that it needs to be on the luruxy trim, making it 15+ thousand more than the TRD Pro gives me pause. Thanks!
If I was in the market my top two choices would be the 4Runner TRD Off Road or GX. I don't think the price premium for the TRD Pro is justified. Speaking of premium, the Premium fuel requirement on the GX is a substantial ongoing expense. I will never understand how the Tundra and Sequoia offered a 310 hp 4.6 V8 that ran on Regular but the 301 hp 4.6 in the GX requires Premium.
Hold on here.... The part time 4 wheel drive does have a center differential!!! This is why there is a selectable center differential lock button. Our 2001 4 Runner which we purchased new and now has 246,000 miles is an SR5 and this has been a perk in Colorado. My wife was able to use 4 WD for long periods of time without any binding for the snow and ice. My 2006 Ram is what you are describing, a locked/no-differential, basic 4 wheel drive from the cave man days. Please correct your statement on this. It is incredibly off-putting to many people for your misstatement to stand. Thank you!
It is astonishing tat high luxury vehicles came with cheap ass tires. Didn't Lexus or even Mercedes do tire research and testing? I test drove a 4-Runner but didn't like the ride so I bought a RX-350. would have bought one of this if I learned about this GX-460 4 years ago,
Just ordered a new 2023 GX Black Line today from a local dealer. Got a bit tired of all these redesign talk and wanted something proven and capable. The 62K price tag is at least 10K cheaper than a Sequoia Limited Off-road and that’s more than enough to cover all the extra gas cost for the next 20 years
I like my Tacoma 2022 even with the somewhat big grill. However, I just don’t like the new grills for Toyota and Lexus SUVs and sedans. It looks like a big mouth without teeth.
@Driving Sports TV Been watching your reveiw's for quite some time and I love them. If you had the choice to choose between the GX460 2023 and The Bronco Badlands 2023, what would your choice be?? I know both are capable in their own terms, however as you have reveiwed them thoroughly, what would you recommend?? I am torn between the 23 GX and 23 Badlands I would appreciate your opinion 🙏🙏
I drive rx350 and love Lexus brand, but GX is too outdated and the worst thing is the manual trunk door. I'm thinking buying 2024 redesigned GX with newer technologies.
Love your videos, just purchased a 2018 460 myself! Quick question, I seem to remember Driving Sports from my Subaru NASIOC days.. didn't you start as a Subaru only channel?
Just bought one a week ago. It's dated, but I bought it for that reason. The engine/gear box is supposed to outlast me. And that's the only reason why I bought.
Would you use regular gas if you own one and use it for commute? I think it is perfect for buying and keep it forever, don't like the must use of premium gas though. Also guess 4runner has more higher from the ground driving position and truck like feeling than the GX.
They can put the power third row in the fire too, together with the touch pad! It was perfect before when you can fold them up and put them to the side or take them entirely off! Who asked for a power third row! Lol. Not everyone have children like rabbit's! If it was less ugli in the front it will sell better too, but I guess this awesome dinosaur is on the last years,probably dissappear soon replaced by a ev chit.
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Even though I drive a GX460, I would still click on every gx video you made. Great job, and great vehicle.
Good to know. 😉
Same
Same
Given that people are paying 50k for tacomas and 4 runners that price really isn’t that bad.
People are paying 60k for highlanders
The ugliest trucks as well
I want one and keep it for life.
People pay 50k for highlanders in Cali rn
$50k for 4Runners? Limited 4Runner's MSRP is around $54k.
The Lexus GX is the 150-series Land Cruiser Prado. These are built to last a minimum of 25 years in the world’s harshest conditions.
You can’t say the same about your Jeep, Bronco or Land Rover.
I'm Kiss Kiss, and I approve your message. lol
Yet I see 25 plus year old Jeeps and Land Rovers on the road every single day.
@@trailrunnah8886 those are restored classics
Answer me honestly, would you take a 25 year old jeep through the empty quarter desert or a 25 year old Land Cruiser/ Land Cruiser Prado?
@@trailrunnah8886 These are enthusiasts for the brand which will stop at nothing to keep them running strong. Even if that means throwing a little money at them.. To be fair, I have heard that the JL or 2019+ Jeeps are a little more reliable than the older ones..
@@johneldepresso think there might be some generalization here. No doubt the Prado has a great reputation and likely there are more still performing their duties than most other models or brands, but it’s not like others are incapable of lasting a similar length of time. The use and maintenance is just as important as what the vehicle is.
As a GX 460 owner I can tell you there is no better mid-size SUV on the market. Yes, the mpg is bad, yes it is dated, but the reliability and power in that 4.6L V8 is excellent. I'll pay a little more at the pump to know I'm not going to break down and have long-term reliability that doesn't cost me thousands of dollars out of know where.
As a fellow GX460 owner, I concur!
This is the way.
The 4Runner
Nowhere > know where
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! My wife and I are looking at buying one
The secret sauce of the GX is that its a 4 out of 5 in most categories. Towing? Not the best, but above average. Off-Road? Not the best, but above average. Ditto comfort. Ditto passenger and cargo space. It's big enough to do big car things, but it's way smaller and more nimble than it looks. The turning circle is unreal, the visibility out is better than most and its shockingly easy to drive in town. It's just just a damn fine all rounder. Fun tidbit of info on the center differential. The torque bias can go from 29:71 front to rear to 53:47 front to rear depending on road conditions and traction needs (nominal is 40:60 Front to rear as you said). So long as the front axle never needs more than 53% of the torque or the rear more than 71% then you have forward motion. If the surface demands torque outside of that range, lock the center and boom. 100:0. The front can can 100% or the rear can get 100% and anything in between.
Nice information I think you're from Australia because it is not common for americans to know this stuff.
Anyway you've said the GX is above average off-road hmmmmmm let's talk about Toyota SUV's in usa after the land cruiser/LX the GX become the second best Toyota's off road vehicle due to the information that you've mentioned + it has V8 and kdss system
In terms of towing I don't know what it can tow but it becomes third in towing after the land cruiser/LX and sequoia
Ryan, Are you an 'upscale adventurer' or just a normal guy with ungodly access to the press fleet? 😉 Since someone is bound to say it, rumors/rumours are afoot that the Prado is coming to North America. I really hope Toyota does not ruin that tall greenhouse by the time the Prado gets here and I also hope the more attainable, 2 door Prado is part of the next generation🤩
interesting rumor 🤔 😏
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Stay tuned!
I like the fact the v8 gives you a better trade in value. No turbo, and that's great
Nothing to break
The GX is a much better way to go with the V8 instead of the anemic V6...full time 4WD is another great feature that is missing in the 4Runner for the most part except for the overpriced higher trim level, should be available in all trim levels for what they charge for that 4Runner sticker....the Lexus has plenty of luxury features to make you feel luxurious, but not so much that you wouldn't want to drive it to the ski resort in comfort and power.
For the American market yes and by far better than the 4runner. Plus you forgot about the GX it has centre-diff
Great review of a great vehicle. I sure hope Toyota does not ruin things with the new 4 Runner / GX platforms. Disappointing that the Off Road Package is only available with the most expensive top trim model.
For 2023 the blackline comes with the off road cameras
You can add mts and cc pretty easily I believe. Modules available
I love your reviews. Really enjoy when you add ON and OFF roading details like 4x4, wheel size, center torsen differential.
Thanks for bringing the GX to the trail to show us its full capabilities! And what a stunning view at the end!
Congrats on your subscription milestone!
I had a question for you: Since you’ve driven both the LX570 and the GX460, which would you buy? Used LX570s are about the same price as new GX460s. The GX has KDSS but the LX has hydraulic suspension. I’m so torn on this decision!
I've narrowed my search down to the GX and RX for my next vehicle. My head wants the RX but my heart wants the GX. I'll probably end up with the GX thanks to great reviews like this.
Same. Head says RX350h heart says GX. Don’t know yet. GX is bulletproof
what'd you get what'd you get
Same. Ended up with GX, couldn’t stand that revised interior on the new RX 😅
I own a GX460, and I bought it for the 8 cylinder, and the full time transmission.. i dont care about the fuel economy, I want a million mile chassis.
Same thing with me! I spoke with my Lexus dealer and she said that the 2024 GX was going to have a V6 Turbo engine in it and that the wait for it was going to be at least 6 or more months, even longer off I wanted custom colors and a special interior. I wanted a no non-senseold school V8 to drive until the day that I die. This vehicle rides like a 1960s Cadillac Limo- strong, quiet and solid. If somebody wants speed, then do not purchase an SUV!
@@edmundcharles5278 v8 is a beautiful piece of engineering. fantastic choice,
18:45 I prefer the current ‘22 - ‘23 GX because of the V8, the next gen. GX is more likely to have a 6 cyl + Turbo.
You nailed it.
As a 2020 gx owner, who's looking at the new RX 500h because of all the new tech, it's hard to compare. I need to be able to tow my jet ski and boat in the future. For my outdoor lifestyle, I think I'll stick with the gx and get a hybrid for daily commute.
Excellent video! Everyman Driver needs to learn a thing or two from you about vehicle.
Honestly no one needs a 3rd row for full grown adults. I can't imagine a scenario where a small removable 3rd row isn't enough. The idea of having to fit 5 full grown adults into a vehicle... Just who? Why? Not one of them also drives? I don't understand why there is demand for third rows beyond parents who need to drive around the children's friends. Small third rows should be perfectly fine.
Not gonna lie...these color,its beautiful..fit the car perfectly...and not outdated looks at all 🤘🏻
Mountain adventure in a GX?! I'll be watching this video, thanks. Great job! Loved it.
Some people aspire to own Ferraris and other supercars. This is my dream car.
it’s a proper SUV, unlike crossovers which are essentially SUV shaped minivans
Men gets sports cars but legends own big giants like these and take em places and go on amazing adventures!
@@justfelix30 Large SUVs kind of suck, doesn't help that current automobiles continue to grow in size. Big is fine if that's what you're after, however you can't deny smaller means more maneuverable and less lumbering.
One of the best, of the last of the Dinosaurs!! Toyota/Lexus all the way!!! 💯 Awesome way to start my Weekend, Ryan.. Thank You!!!
Thank you for showing us if you can sleep in it or not! Very difficult to find information on this for most SUVs
the gx is nice, but i love my 2016 4runner trail with KDSS, plus it has more cubic space than the gx. still, both vehicles are incredibly well built and there resale value is second to none, good video and keep up the great work.
The GX has KDSS too I have it in my 2020
Your 4Runner doesnt have a V8 though :(
Love the GX review and really appreciated you making a 2023 4runner video even though nothings changed!
I have a 2021 GX and replaced my Duelers with permanent winter/traction tires. I have to say I’ve never felt more unsafe driving on slippery surfaces than when I had the Duelers on the rig.
Huh
Yup, Lexus should've kept these equipped with Michelin LTs, like the previous years... The duelers totally suck on anything but dry and light rain! The Michelin LTX are perfect for the GX, if one doesn't want something like the KO2s
@@M5_Sonu oh is that why my 2020 GX is the only one that came with Michelins still? And then every other GX I saw had duelers I thought someone messed with my car lol
@@M5_Sonu Agreed, I love the Michelins on my GX470
Rumor is the LC is coming back to the states. I have KDSS on my 4R TRD OR and it is worth every penny.
Lexus needs to get rid of the touch pad for sure. It’s very inconvenient. Touch screen and add more buttons to select for the infotainment would be better!
buttons and switches should never go away
That touch pad needs to go but as for the buttons I think it's best that they stay.
As soon as I got my 2021 GX, the first thing that I did was swap the crappy Duelers for a set of Cooper Discoverer AT tires, and it's a beast now!
nice choice- the duelers are pretty shit even in rain, let alone snow
How much did that hurt your MPG?
@moloono1 Pardon me for the late reply. My MPG has been exactly the same, to be honest. Although maybe 1 mpg less.
@@vadim9342 Wow! That’s great. I’m really thinking of upgrading. Thanks for your time and responses.
One thing to note about KDSS is it locks out above 11mph and the sway bars are always "engaged" regardless of conditions. This can make the ride a bit rougher when you're doing dirt trails and such as it reduces suspension travel. This is especially pronounced if you're using a stiffer and heavier tire like an all-terrain.
Also, fun KDSS facts. It gives you an extra 1.5" (approximately) of travel both up and down (3" total) compared to a non-KDSS Prado equivalent. So it's a great way to get extra articulation from the factory with the added bonus of on road stability.
You can install a switch to disengage the KDSS at higher speeds. Best of both worlds!
Funny about all this Land Rover came out with the same traction control system and the ace system to make the sway bar gets stiffer when entering corners and in low range super loose for crazy articulation totally Factory. You can watch the old Discovery 2 videos on the streets course doing a slalom with high-speed camera pointed directly at them also testing the Mercedes and the BMW and the Land Rover had the least lean because the ace system would stiffen it up before it started to lean what off-road crazy articulation from solid axles with Ace system letting the wheels go way up in the fenders and not to mention the traction control system that is ABS just like the a track on the Toyotas that still doesn't even work as good as an old Land Rover. If only Land Rover had made things as reliable as Toyota. I always get a kick out of watching so-called newer technology on stuff that was literally 23 years ago and still working on Rovers like mine once you work out some of the Kinks like a better cooling system and more accessible ignition coils but that's easy. The new Land Rovers are ridiculous they're very good off-road but I wouldn't trust one at all. I think the Grenadier is going to be awesome. They're really testing them here in America. In all reality the Jeep Rubicon Wrangler is the most capable front and rear lockers front and rear solid axles front and rear sway bar disconnects. But sometimes people want something that doesn't look like a Jeep LOL I feel the same way. Recently watched on tfl they tested this Lexus and a Range Rover Sport and the Range Rover traction control system worked way better on the spin test from every wheel put up on rollers. It's like the Toyota traction control system just doesn't grab hard enough right away the way even the old Landover kind of and it makes no sense cuz it's not technical as soon as it detects uneven will spend just grab the brake hard but Toyota doesn't they go gentle slowly ease into it and that sucks because it's bad enough you have any delay compared to a locker when getting stuck or not could mean the difference of that one or two seconds of momentum loss but at least make your traction control system more aggressive like Land Rover and it's not hard to do just grab the spinning wheel brake harder the first time
The GX can’t tow anything in stock form as the OEM Class IV hitch hasn’t been available for purchase in over 15 months…I know as I’ve been trying to buy one since October of 2021 and Lexus won’t say why I can’t…grrr.
Perhaps try the aftermarket Class 4 hitch receiver??
I’ve seen some old stock hitch (new) for roughly $350-400
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD The only Class IV aftermarket hitch is made by NYTOP and they’re 3-4 months out and $900. It’s still in design phase though so the timeline could slip.
@@pennmikael Any idea where as I’ve been looking for one but can’t find any that are available?
Been waiting 15 months also, still no answer as to when oem hitch available. But yet Lexus still advertising towing small airstream.
Great job Ryan. The GX460 is indeed amazing. Keep it up ❤️ ✌️
The stone / grey seats just don’t go with the rest of the car.
agreed- the 2022 blackline had black seats and that looked way better... i dont know why they changed it for 2023
I would pick this over the new GX that’s coming out, especially with the V8.
Yep- that's what I did. The new 2024 GX 550 will eventually be a great vehicle, it will have small things to get worked out, just like vevery other new line introduction vehicle. I did not want to wait several years for these quirks to get ironed out, so I bought the last year 2023 V8 and I am so happy with it. Also, the wait for the new GX 550 is insane, at least six months and the pre-order listing is over a year of deposits.
I love this vehicle, but is small for my need. i have 4 kids all with car seats the oldest 6 years old, and 2 twin strollers plus bags and miscellaneous i have to keep my 2016 Suburban which has been reliable till now with 97k mileages.
I would love you to get your hands on a 4Runner Limited to explore the differences between X-REAS and KDSS. I'm especially interested in the suspension travel of the X-REAS and how capable that Limited trim is off road with the A-TRAC system but with no lockers or software.
We just came back from New Mexico road trip. GX is such a great car for off road, even under snow mountains no pressure at all!
Really dumb that they only offer the off-road package on the luxury trim... Forces you into 19" wheels and rear air suspension plus a lot more glitz inside. Just screams off-roader, doesn't it?
While the MTS and CC ( crawl control ) are nice to have ( and can be easily added to your GX ! ) the built in ATRAC and KDSS plus locking center diff are more than sufficient for most ORing tasks!
indeed!!
It is only possible on the GX up to 2019. No one has figured out how to add to the 2020+ model years yet.
Honestly, I’d love to have one of these. My 4Runner is great and all, but that V8 is really tempting
If you get snow then you don't want those Duelers... recommend swapping them out for Toyo open country AT3 for a true year round tire.
Our 2022 came with Michelin Defenders thankfully. Haven't driven it in the snow yet, but I think they'll be decent. Really interested in the new BFG Trail Terrains. 3 peak rated and not as aggressive as the KO2s.
@@satalac good choice- the Toyo AT3 are 3 peak as well and decent in snow so far. My buddy has KO2s and they are a bit noisy for my taste
The only problem with the Nori Green GX460 is Lexus does not make enough of them 😖
That's the vehicle I want. But they have to upgrade the inside for the price I need a more luxury interior. Just keep the same body. So I'm waiting to see the new GX
The biggest disappointment about this suv is premium fuel requirement
That is the biggest disappointment and the biggest mystery. The 4.6 V6 produced as much power with Regular when it was installed in the Tundra and Sequoia.
many use regular fuel. the engine is designed to re-time automatically. the same engine was in the tundra and used regular fuel... as is the case w/ the prado in many other parts of the world.
I think it's possible to use regular 87 you don't Nessisarly need to put an 89 or 91 all the time maybe put it once and the rest of the time put 87 so the time valve belt can adjust accordingly.
Prados in the rest of the world do not have the v8. They sold them in India for a short time, most have a 4 cylinder
It's important to always use the center diff lock when actually off road otherwise you will strain the torsen diff because it's constantly detecting slip
Is that an issue? I always thought Torsen style diffs were pretty simple and had great longevity.
@@ALMX5DP well it can be a potential issue if you always go offroad and never use the center diff lock.
@@theUltimateLord sure I’ve just never heard of issues in that respect. I know in the track and motorsports worlds, Torsens have a great reputation for lasting. Not much to go wrong with the simple worm gear design.
@ALMX5DP torsen type C uses friction plates... lock it when going offroad for best longevity
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD from what I saw it’s still a gear set with some thrust washers. Does it have a tendency to wear out or get stressed more easily than other types?
Best Car Journalist! Hands Down!
I love watching your reviews.
I love watching your reviews. Not only for the content, but as a reminder of how beautiful our state is.
The only downside to the hydraulic suspension is the cost of repair when you have issues out of warranty. People generally buy Lexus to keep long-term, so this is something to consider if someone wants to buy used or buy new to keep long term.
It's just a hydraulic sway bar nothing serious.
my '98 4runner has a hydraulic clutch. no clutch cables to replace. never had to do a thing to it other than replacing fluid. hydraulic systems are fantastic
I have an '05 LX470 and have never had a problem with the AHC system. My '06 GX has air suspension not hydraulic
So the upscale LEXUS is 62 grand whilst the Toyota Sequoia is 80 grand plus ??
The car looks like 2010’s vehicle.
So?
@@mohammeds5458 It's ugly for the price.
@@BurntToffee755
What about the 4runner? Is it the same?
Now imagine planting trees on the sides of those mountains. Unless you guys got enough soil where aerial seeding is possible, manually planting would suck, especially if what I've heard about american planting wages is true. I plant on the canadian shield where there isn't enough soil, so everyone has to be planted by hand, imagine charging up those hill 10 hours a day with a 50lb pack.
I did that back in High School.
If I could choose only one car for the rest of my life it would be this one
Great viewing from my perspective, thank you. One way they could make me WAY more interested in this thing is just making it look more capable. Reducing the overhangs and and all that bumper. Change nothing about the internals, just give it a better angles of approach and departure and make it look less tubby.
So basically the 2009 to 2012 model years lol
While the Audio was a little buggy(Once you hit the trail), the video was fun and exciting..
I would delete all the electronics if I could I don’t listen to music most of it I crap. the old fashioned 4Runner sells like crazy because it is old school. I really don’t want my office computer stuffed into the dash.
My father has a 2013 gx 460 really i bet that most powerfull and strong suvs are The Lexus lx and gx series also gx470 also too god for his productionyears 470 k kilmoters we drive since 2013 but fuel consumtion is too much i thing avg 19-20 litres per 100 km
I love the GX
me too!! ❤️
It's a tank, it will last a lifetime, it's safe. But it's a dinosaur in terms of technology and has poor gas mileage. I want Lexus to offer a plug in hybrid with 40-50 miles of range and the performance of the new Sequoia.
Good car nevertheless.
My 2022 GX460 when put in reverse it reduces the screen image smaller no matter how I tried to adjust. I think that’s how it is. Your video shows full screen in reverse on 2023 GX. Did they updated it? Thanks for the video.
Great reviews, you are quickly becoming my favorite channel. Thanks.
Just got an fj. It's good for most things but not great for family-friendlyness. Now highly debating taking the loss on a trade in for a 11-13 GX 460
its not bad on fuel cause its a v8 its bad on fuel because its 5000lbs
My heavier F-150 5.0 6-spd gets better, though not full time 4wd.
Ryan, do you still have your compass trailhawk? How is that holding up?
Sold it! Looking forward to testing the new 2023 with the turbo engine soon!
WHY WAS THERE A CHICKEN BEHIND YOU???????
It was crossing the road.🤫
I love your reviews for their practicality. But more than that, i love the views of PNW in your videos. Moved to US/Seattle last year and am love with how beautiful PNW is.
I didn’t know you could get black line with non black interior… that’s much better looking imo. Thx
I may have to trade my 2018 Escalade for a 2023 GX 460 for reliability
Great review Ryan !
I look forward to watching them every week
Am i the only one who like lexus touch pad of gx460 more than touching screen directly??
LC Prado is not available in the US because it's not made with all the fancy tech nor meets the US security requirements for this type of car (and is mostly available in diesel versions).
For that price in 2022 it has a lot of short comings for me. Plug in car play, dated interior, that touch pad. I will wait it out to decide if I want one.
And I thought it was pretty cheap.
That touch pad is a nightmare. God forbid you spill something on it!!!
You can add Mts to the other models yourself. Lots of videos on the tube.
I like everything about the GX460 except for that touchpad usage for the infotainment.
I've been driving my '23 for about two weeks and I've gotten used to the touchpad. I don't think it's as bad as people think once you've used it for awhile and I actually find it easier to use while driving than reaching over to the touch screen. That said, I love buttons and would always prefer more buttons to menus, no matter how you access those menus. Loving the GX so far!
Such an ugly vehicle!! The grill!! The grill! The grill!!! So so so ugly!! No thanks!! Nope!!
when you see someone with a 90th yota off road. You know this guy gonna go hard, really hard.
While the MTS and CC ( crawl control ) are nice to have ( and can be easily added to your GX ! ) the built in ATRAC and KDSS plus locking center diff are more than sufficient for most ORing tasks!
I have seen video of adding the MTS and crawl control, but not yet in 22 year model unless I am missing something.
Mine is a 2022 and I cannot wait for me to be able to add it to mine when available.
Heloo
I have a question all Blackline has a new system off road
Two questions: Can the visor slide out when you swing to the side? And, does it have dual-pane glass?
only the front driver/passenger have dual pane glass, 2nd row to rear doesnt. Main Visor doesnt slide, but has a smaller one built in that slides out.
@@youlunwang8650 Thank you, this is very helpful. I wish reviewer could mention these details. Every detail counts.
I live in WA. Does anyone know what this trail is?
My biggest issues with my 2022 is that the seats are ventilated, but not actively cooled as they should be at this price point. They become useless extremely quickly on a hot and humid day. The seats are also adequate for shorter trips, but become very uncomfortable on longer trips unlike the premium seats that many vehicles at this price point come with. What you do gain though is peace of mind knowing that this thing is going to be pretty darn reliable for a long time. I will probably replace my seats with a set of Scheel Mann seats in a year or so since I do a lot of long driving.
What I have noticed is the lack of fan speed in the seat. If I can only increase that speed just a bit all will be good to go.
..nervous laugh.. yea.. no one is cross shopping a bronco and gx.. bye!
Bmw makes nothing like this. the merc comp iis maybe the g wagon . At 62 k a steal. Your highway milage much better at 60-65 mph.
A steal at 65k? This thing is a relic not worth half its price
I just spent 3 weeks in Western Mongolia and Dave 2000KM in a Lexus 570 V8 minus 25c snow etc and went through frozen creeks like a champ!!! Toyota all the way, if one drives a Range Rover the Mongolians laugh at you. Rover breaks down NO spare parts , spare parts for Lexus and Toyota everywhere.
Looking for opinions on whether to go 2023 TRD Pro 4Runner at msrp or a 2022 or 2023 GX as a family car that will be our road trip warrior and see off road action maybe 20 times per year. Pros for 4Runner to me is mostly the cost, color and that it comes fully optioned pretty much due to being the top trim. Pros of the GX are the mostly the V8 sound and ride comfort. If I could get the off road package on a lower trim GX I think that would be the sweet spot but the fact that it needs to be on the luruxy trim, making it 15+ thousand more than the TRD Pro gives me pause. Thanks!
The new grand Cherokee sweet too
If I was in the market my top two choices would be the 4Runner TRD Off Road or GX. I don't think the price premium for the TRD Pro is justified. Speaking of premium, the Premium fuel requirement on the GX is a substantial ongoing expense. I will never understand how the Tundra and Sequoia offered a 310 hp 4.6 V8 that ran on Regular but the 301 hp 4.6 in the GX requires Premium.
Which road goes to that fantastic view ? 27:50
Hold on here.... The part time 4 wheel drive does have a center differential!!! This is why there is a selectable center differential lock button. Our 2001 4 Runner which we purchased new and now has 246,000 miles is an SR5 and this has been a perk in Colorado. My wife was able to use 4 WD for long periods of time without any binding for the snow and ice. My 2006 Ram is what you are describing, a locked/no-differential, basic 4 wheel drive from the cave man days. Please correct your statement on this. It is incredibly off-putting to many people for your misstatement to stand. Thank you!
It is astonishing tat high luxury vehicles came with cheap ass tires. Didn't Lexus or even Mercedes do tire research and testing?
I test drove a 4-Runner but didn't like the ride so I bought a RX-350. would have bought one of this if I learned about this GX-460 4 years ago,
Where is that hill located?
Just ordered a new 2023 GX Black Line today from a local dealer. Got a bit tired of all these redesign talk and wanted something proven and capable. The 62K price tag is at least 10K cheaper than a Sequoia Limited Off-road and that’s more than enough to cover all the extra gas cost for the next 20 years
I like my Tacoma 2022 even with the somewhat big grill. However, I just don’t like the new grills for Toyota and Lexus SUVs and sedans. It looks like a big mouth without teeth.
@Driving Sports TV Been watching your reveiw's for quite some time and I love them. If you had the choice to choose between the GX460 2023 and The Bronco Badlands 2023, what would your choice be??
I know both are capable in their own terms, however as you have reveiwed them thoroughly, what would you recommend??
I am torn between the 23 GX and 23 Badlands
I would appreciate your opinion 🙏🙏
I drive rx350 and love Lexus brand, but GX is too outdated and the worst thing is the manual trunk door. I'm thinking buying 2024 redesigned GX with newer technologies.
Love your videos, just purchased a 2018 460 myself! Quick question, I seem to remember Driving Sports from my Subaru NASIOC days.. didn't you start as a Subaru only channel?
Just bought one a week ago. It's dated, but I bought it for that reason. The engine/gear box is supposed to outlast me. And that's the only reason why I bought.
First and only time this vehicle is seen off pavement.
In my region, Southern California, there are quite a few GXs in the “trails” typically fire road difficulty, not Rubicon style rock crawling.
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Would you use regular gas if you own one and use it for commute? I think it is perfect for buying and keep it forever, don't like the must use of premium gas though. Also guess 4runner has more higher from the ground driving position and truck like feeling than the GX.
They can put the power third row in the fire too, together with the touch pad! It was perfect before when you can fold them up and put them to the side or take them entirely off! Who asked for a power third row! Lol. Not everyone have children like rabbit's! If it was less ugli in the front it will sell better too, but I guess this awesome dinosaur is on the last years,probably dissappear soon replaced by a ev chit.
The info about the 3rd row is bs--I have a 4Runner with the same setup and I have had adults back there, it's not that bad.