One-of-a-Kind V12 Ford on the Dyno
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2015
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This is the first dyno run of the homebuilt Ford V12 created by Jan Baker out of two 302 Ford blocks and three Cleveland heads. With a 4.090 inch bore and 3.500 inch stroke, this engine has a 552 cubic inch displacement. As far as we know, this is the only engine like this on the planet.
The dyno testing was done at the shops of Automotive Specialists in Concord, NC ( www.automotivespecialists.com )
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You got to love when a brilliant master like this says "it isn't all that difficult ". Incredible work.
Look up “Alan Millyard” and see what he does with motorcycle engines.
Wow that Engine is more functional than any relationship I've never had.
Make sense since the engine is basically inbred lol
@@devinthierault OOOOOOOOOOOOO! (Apologies to Andrew Dice Clay)
Kinda makes ya wonder why we didn't put all that time and energy into building ourselves V12s and V16s out of junkyard parts
You can import your woman like trump and not be considered incel
"Simple". "Don't overthink it".
Good, I'm heading out to the shed right now to cobble one together.
I may do a couple before dinner tonight myself!
😅😅😅😅😅😅
yes yes, good good, mine is done its a v16 twin 331's 662 cid. mine wins. my breakfast eats your breakfast for breakfast.
DYNA KLO ...Better than Honeycombs? I think not. 🍻
@@blipco5 lol right on
He claims it's not all that hard. But:
A. Mr Baker is one talented, experienced Southern boy, and
B. He is being modest, in the manner of a good Southern boy.
@Bond James Bond It's not hard conceptually. It's just 2 straight six engines sharing a crankshaft and camshaft. However, the skills and knowledge needed to make it aren't easy to learn.
Also, i don't see your home-made V12 engine, so stfu
Bond James Bond nobody asked you
@Bond James Bond In 1904, the Putney Motor Works completed a new V12 marine racing engine-the first V12 engine produced for any purpose.[3] Known as the "Craig-Dörwald" engine after Putney's founding partners, the engine mounted pairs of L-head cylinders at a 90 degree included angle on an aluminium crankcase, using the same cylinder pairs that powered the company's standard two-cylinder car. Sorry to bust your bubble but bmw wasn't even founded, so how could they have patented the idea in the 1980's? The date of BMW's founding, 7 March 1916, has therefore gone down in history as the foundation date of Bayerische Motoren Werke AG.
Bond James Bond and those BMW v12s were so smooth and quiet !
@Bond James Bond ok fair enough, the first automobile v12 was in a sunbeam in 1913 granted this was a racecar. still 3 yrs before bmw was founded.Anyhow you stated bmw invented the IDEA of a v12 automobile in the 1980's which is a false statement. Packard offered the first production v12 automobile in 1916, Ferrari has been doing it since 1949, lamborghini since 1963 when they first set-up shop. There were 10 or more manufactures offering v12 automobiles in the 30's and 40's. Don't you remember the jaguar xj12 E type? 1971 was when that bad boy was rolling down the highways.
Point being the man custom built a v12 out of 2 existing windsor blocks utilizing cleveland style heads ( putting v8 cleveland heads on a v8 windsor block isn't easy). Understanding metallurgy to weld all that together and create an engine to produce and endure 600+ hp in a small shop is quite an achievement. So i suggest to you is to hop on your lil' vespa,git on down to the library an bury yer nose in some history books.
At low rpm is sounds like two straight 6s. Once the rpm builds it sounds like an exotic supercar. Amazing work!
Sounds truly awesome
Yeah I was kind of sweet on that sound too
The low rpm remembers me of the Essex V6 used on many Ford, such as the Windstar.
Aston Martin has been using 2 Ford V-6 engines duct taped together for decades.
@@GravyHucker wow ...
I hope an executive from Ford sees this
What good would that do they are controlled by the Stock holders. This is why they can build what has massive profits and only that.
New crate motor????? Beat the 632 and hellaphant?
I love how guys with the baddest coolest cars are always the most chill and just love to talk about it, albeit very humble.
They didn't get where they were just by good luck!
Man, that thing really winds up... sounds like they were pulling 6,000 or better.😁👍 *EDIT:* Just saw the dyno results, actually took it to 7700 rpm!!😮
One of the best sounding v12s I've heard, best thing is it's a ford!
I don't like Ford I'm a dodge guy but it does sound good
Until it breaks. Because it's a ford.
@@AmxDude1969 everything breaks, regardless of brand... it all breaks
Doesnt sound good compared to a jaguar 12
F.B.I and it's not the best sounding v12
I welded a broken steel crank one time and it held up. But what this guy did is astounding.
I don't even have the proper words for this other than the most awesome 12 I've ever seen
That's some impressive welding work. Well done, Mr. Baker!
Absolutely fantastic sound at WOT. Incredible job, Sir. I'll take two.
From a Ford and especially Cleveland fan from the other side of the world - This is Awesome! Sounds sweet.
Someone partner up with this guy and build these things! Incredible supercar sound and the latest numbers 862 hp at 7200 rpm, and 669 torque at 6000!
The @V12LS exists so anything is possible
Good grief, my hair stood straight up when they pulled that dyno run! What a SOUND!
awesome workmanship. wow.. I cannot even imagine welding all that cast iron. true craftsman
This engine is a work of art!!! Some aussie guys have done this with an ls based engine. Another piece of art...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
@Eze&Yare Dominguez if I was rich I'd build a 1/2 scale mustang p51D and put one of the v12s we are discussing 😍....from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
@Eze&Yare Dominguez 6turbos I forgot the turbski's...lol..dry sump oiling with 2fuel systems .one for high boost...dreams..lol however it would be difficult to fly with the boner I'd have.....from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
@Eze&Yare Dominguez I've got a flatbottom drag boat BBC and a glide Casale v-drive runner bottom Hondo that ive always wanted to put a turbine helicopter engine in 3500hp weighs 400lbs my BBC is only 700hp and weighs 700lbs...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠p.s. I have a garden tractor with a Verago 750vtwin yamaha the shaft drive worked awesome 😁
@Eze&Yare Dominguez and if I could afford the turbine I wouldn't care about the fuel burn...lol...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠 where are you?
Just think if this guy had the $ to use aluminum block and heads that way it would be much stronger then welding cast iron ,hell of a job
Car and Driver calls you a madman and a genius, and they say that if there is any justice in the world, this monster will end up in a Pantera.
Also, never put a muffler on it. This is the sound of freedom.
Yeeesssssss
Fukin' Hostile...
Has an erection
My Pantera, please!
Cyril Euscobar better yet, a Pantera that someone gifts to me!!
When I was a young child my sister's boyfriend had a Pantera, l've have always dug that car ever since!
😍👍
Wow 552 Boss V12 Custom homebuilt - Windsor Bottom end Cleveland top end
***** 302's are part of the Windsor family after the plant they were produced in.....
Ford small blocks built after 1962 ranging from 221-351ci are all part of the Windsor engine family until ford switched over to the modular v8s. So no matter plant the 5.0 or 5.8 was built its technically a Windsor family motor.
***** I used to be under the same impression bud but a 302 is in fact a member of the Windsor family en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Windsor_engine I realize that you have already acknowledged it but I just wanted to share some reading material
***** I'm glad someone mentioned that Ford doesn't use small and big block to label their engines, they never have and never will.
It seems like some people here don't realize the 351m and 400 are two different engines. They interchange completely minus the crank and pistons (the only difference between the two). The 351m only came about so Ford would have a 351 ci engine once the Cleveland was discontinued.
Yes the 302 falls into the Windsor family.
***** The 400 was developed for low end torque which the 351w does not have. In the truck world a 351m is a better candidate than a 351w. I'm sure Ford didn't focus on the 351w exclusively after the Cleveland was discontinued because it was probably cheaper to destroke the 400 into another 351 engine than it was to expand a factory to produce more Windsor blocks.
I knew the 302 and 289 weren't cast in Windsor, I've just always heard of them all being grouped into the Windsor family just like the 351m and 400 are sometimes called Cleveland engines even though they were cast in several different foundries. If only the aftermarket world would have spent a little more time getting terminology right we wouldn't have things like people saying their Ford has a small or big block, posi rear, or stepside box.
A true southern gentleman genius, not so easy , did you hear it rev? Awesome and Kudos...
Love the sound in the higher rpm range.
This is brilliant! Whoever gets tired of the V8 in their hot-rod, should try to do this :).
Exactly mate.
Jan Baker you are a genius. This thing is beautiful and screams Ford. Gotta love it.
Wow. When it revved up it sounded like something beautiful.. a supercar.
AWESOME! What a modest engineer, I doubt this was a easy build.
This is the best thing I've seen in months
Thanks for putting this up
This is actually amazing. Look at the power it made na. Wow. Well done.
Peak HP looked to be coming in at about 7,000 rpm! This thing is a monster!
Not to mention still pushing 530 ft lbs of torque. Most engines can't even PEAK that much torque.
That's one monstrous size V12. two 302 blocks and three Cleveland heads makes it a great combo.
THREE Cleveland heads?
@@ytgsp Yep Three Cleveland cylinders to weld the two cylinders on the Cleveland heads to make the 552 Clevor V12.
@@ytgsp This engine would be a great swap for an old school F100.
Wow!!! This thing is fantastic!! It's like a V-12 version of the Boss 302. EPIC! I can't wait to see and hear it once it's broken-in and tuned properly. Great work!
Now that's an Ford V12 engine sound! Nice. :-)
i need this in my life.
This is what happens when an old Ga boy gets bored. Great man lives about 45 minutes from me. He's just as cool and laid back as you would ever meet. But constantly thinking😏👍
That is incredable. Sounded great on the dyno. Wow
Holy sheeeeiiiitt..that sounds insane!! And that ad right at the end about children's panadol really capped it off
That engine would be a great swap for an AC Cobra replica.
@Jack Russelle Lewis True
There's a guy up here in Rhode Island that took a 300 straight 6,beefed up the bottom end, and fabricated a head out of a boss pair by chopping 1 of the heads in half and then welding it to the full head to make 1. that engine ended up in a early 70s maverick and he went drag racing. painted on the side of the car was a picture of him holding a V8 in his hand with a caption that said,"i could've had a V8!" lol i think he said the car rans 9's.☆☆☆
Awesome brother. Is the Cylinder head ported and polished as well. Also I would love to see a video of it as well.
This is awesome. Love it. Im training to be a mechanic and vídeos like this motivates me
I watch this video over and over just the hear this thing run it sounds wicked
That sound is incredible!
From what I can see, the crank throws are at 120, 240, and 360 degree intervals with a 90 degree block you've still got a piston at TDC every 30 degrees. I don't see how this is an 'odd-firing' engine. Looks good to me.
A V12 needs a 60° or 180° bank angle for even firing.
From a Mopar guy, This is absolutely Beautiful.. and in the spirit of era that inspired it.. Just Awesome..
this stuff is awesome!!! having lots of beers and with a guy like this is def on my bucket list
That is totally awesome , commend these guys for their hard work🖐🖐🖐🖐🖐🖐
Now if I can get him to make a similar V12 using 2 Voodoo 5.2L V8's with their flat plane cranks and dohc heads to drop in my 93 notchback I might just be the happiest person on Earth.
It would still be balanced like a v12 so it wouldn't be a flat plane anymore.
177SCmaro you can absolutely build a V12 with a flat plane crank, good example is a Ferrari 333sp-6 litre v12 spinning over 10,000 rpm, if he can do this with a a couple 302's he can do that with a couple voodoo's. I would almost consider donating my left nut to see that happen.
@@TheMattc999 Sorry. I must have been high or was thinking about something totally different.
You're right. You can build a flat plane v12. One based off the voodoo would be like 12 levels of awesome.
You really dont want those junk Voodoo engines unless you plan on safety wiring the oil cap to keep it in the cam cover...oh and keeping extra starters and trans bellhousings on hand since those flat-plane 5.2's vibrate so bad it destroys starters and cracks bellhousings. Also, you might want to make the track pack oil cooler out of billet steel since the vibration causes them to snap off.
@@PeeterPuncher lol, obvious troll is obvious.
Extremely impressive! There was a guy many years ago who had worked for Ford for decades and had been working on a 2/3rds scale 302 (for a 2/3 scale Mustang!) As far as I know he's still working on it...
It sounds very similar to the Jag V12 they used to race in Group C and IMSA back in the 80's and early 90's. I love it!!!
Are there any articles about it on forums or anywhere? I'd love to see more pictures and info on it. That's an amazing idea. Makes me want to make a V12 out of two 460s haha.
outlander330cc I hope to have a post complete with dyno chart up on my website soon ( www.horsepowermonster.com/ ). I'll let you know when it's up. Thanks
The Horsepower Monster Alright awesome, thanks.
outlander330cc I've got the dyno chart up. You can see it at the bottom of the page here: www.horsepowermonster.com/2015/one-of-a-kind-v12-ford/
Awesome! Thanks man.
outlander330cc why not a v-16 out of 460's
Mr. Baker you are the man Ford first on race day fast on race day and last but not least ferocious on race day no damn junk Chevrolet
In another dimension the gts had these. Ever neat, great idea. Sounds deadly.
Overthink? This thing is amazing, is makes this ol' guy from Mooresville proud of the man from Concord.
Yes Sir this is what We call AMERICAN INGENUITY ! Beautiful Craftsman. Thanks Guys ! Jimmy
The original Hot Rod Lincoln in the song was a V-12. Just sayin'...
Lincoln was a flat head...
@InfiniteMushroom proof....
@InfiniteMushroom wikipedia is always wrong... why do homework when u seem so knowledgeable about it, so learn me.
@InfiniteMushroom ok, hope you feel better about yourself 👍
@InfiniteMushroom I wish I could say you were great at something, but my mother taught me not to lie.
I think my torque numbers on a 455 Oldsmobile were similar in that was an 8-cylinder Oldsmobile had a monster out there and nobody knew
Very cool engine. There's some time and effort in that thing!!!
Absolutely beautiful. Amazing 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
This guy must be some kind of mad welding genius! Seems like it would come apart without some seious skills and how do you line up the two blocks so perfectly that the crankshaft rides in them as if they were cast as one block? Pure genius!
The aligning is the easy part. You mount the two blocks on a frame so that they are aligned as well as you can get them. You turn a rod that goes in place of the crankshaft and one that goes in place of the camshaft. You could also put a heavy plate across where the heads go. The hard part is welding the cast iron blocks. I don't know the exact material Ford used in their 302 V8.
@@doug112244 These would have been standard cast iron, unless he sourced some of the high nickel cast iron variants that were sold through SVO (at the time) or from Mexico in the early 70's. Windsors were state of the art thinwall castings, so there wouldn't have been a lot of material to heat or fill *but* this dude is one hell of a welder because those thin cross sections are not easy to do properly without warping or cracking.
@@mfree80286 thank you. I confirmed what I sort of remembered. That they were ordinary cast iron except for a few special ones.
Aligning them is easy as can be. Don't forget that the crank is essentially a straight rod with bits sticking out, camshaft is the same. Insert the rod in the Mains and clamp it all up, same with the rod instead of the camshaft. Once that has been done the really difficult part is getting the block prepped and heated for welding, and then welding it all.
@@jjmac3561 I agree with you to a point. My concern would be if you are going to heat the whole mass how much temperature will the bearings take or for that matter how much heat will the crank and camshaft take. I really wish they had talked about welding the two blocks together as I see that being the difficult part.
I’ve had a 302, 351 Cleveland, Windsor, and a 351M as well as a 360 and a 460. Although I am a big block fan, the 351s were some kick ass engines! A friend of mine told me once that the Windsor heads were better breathing and the Cleveland block with them made a very strong engine. We never got around to building one but I sure would have loved to have seen it!
I've heard is as the Cleveland heads with a Windsor block. That combo is called a Clevor and works because the compound valve angles on the Cleveland heads work so well. Definitely want to play with that combo too.
@@TheHorsepowerMonster - Right. The Windsor block has the strong lower end, and the Cleveland heads make it breathe much better.
Lovely sounds and creatively jaw dropping. I had a novel idea of cutting down a sbc into a Vtwin once. Never got futher than chopping a cylinder head up though.
Beautiful, talented accomplishment.....in early 1960's gmc combined two v6 351 gas engines on a v12 block to make a 702ci engine
Awesome brother.
That is awesome
Ford Fan 2904 Thank you!
The Horsepower Monster What do you plan on putting this er... monster in anyways?
This has got to be the first odd firing V12 ever made , congratulations guys! Also it sounds insane , screams like a V12 Should!
Ford Fan 2904 I Dont think this is the first odd firing V12. V12 engines are even firing at 60°, 120° or 180°, all other angles are odd firing, right?
There have been many engines made with V bank angles other than the three I mentioned. I know at least one 30° design has been used in both aircraft and automotive applications, the Lycoming/American LaFrance V12.
I have to agree though, It does sound amazing.
Nicholas Alexandrides I think you are getting mixed up with firing angles & V angles! The V angle of the block is a physical measurement of anything above 0 degrees to just before 180 degrees - a 180 degree engine is a flat engine e.g. Volkswagen/Porsche & Subaru! What Jan Baker is talking about is the firing of the engine in one complete revolution of 360 degrees!
wow this thing sounds phenomenal
I want more! RPM, specs, etc...lol great sounding motor, great work and video :)
Love how he says the smoke isn't from the engine, but from a loose exhaust fitting. Pretty sure the exhaust, and smoke in the exhaust, came from the engine.
What would be nice is to see two 5.2 Voodoo engines made into a V12 with twin turbo chargers and inter coolers
That will be insane 10k rpm easy
Lol that would basically be a V10 F1 engine down right nasty
Stay where you are the FBI is on it's ways.
MrManuel1329 it would never turn 10k rpm at 10.4 liters 🤓
Or better yet make it a 10.4L Voodoo V16 and it'll sound really nasty.
Sounds wicked, love it!
Cool sound, I dig it for sure!
I'd love to see it in a GT40 "what if" replica!
This is my grandfather, I will eventually get a video up of the GT40 that this is currently in. He is still working on it.
That thing is pretty awesome, maybe when you get that perfected you could try your hand at putting two 300 inline sixes together, now that would be an awesome engine.
20 times the work, for half the power. 300's are not a performance engine, and sticking 2 together won't change that. Slapping a dohc head on it can though, and that's a lot easier.
Sounds like a beast at high rpm. Would like to see it mounted in something and road tested.
Props to the engine builder!
Lemans fans: why would you ruin 2 engines for this
Jam baker: I’m sorry I can hear you over my v12
Theres already a custom v12 LS custom engine, which soundsgreat, this Ford v12 sounds so different its angrier.
This was done before any LS V12 that I know of. The first prototype of both engines make similar power, though the LS is more refined with a Haltech and EFI, this ford sounds ANGRY. I guess it's comparable to a 450hp LS (or any modern V8) and a 450hp old school carbed V8.
I think the LSV12 sounds better because it's cylinders fire every 90 degrees like a V8, it runs like 1.5 V8s. This thing fires every 60 degrees as he says like a pair of I6s.
@@hendo337 I know the guy who ground the cam for this engine and no it doesn't fire every 60 degrees. It runs like two in line 6 cylinder engines offset by 90 degrees so that makes it an uneven firing V12.
hendo337
Ever heard a vr6 vw?
They nicknamed em Chewbacca.
What a wicked sound.
I am so absolutely impressed by this!!!!! Would LOVE to see more pics/video of what you did/how you did it. The engineering is really exciting and refreshing to see. How does the dual ignition work? If it has 1 camshaft, how did you relay two offset distributors to spin off of 1 camshaft gear??
PlaistowTim My grandfather created a triangular gear drive with a large idle pulley that drives the two at a 1:1 ratio. The bottom of this drive is basically the drive side of a distributor and the two distributors are driven off this and offset ninety degrees from each-other.
What a modest man! Bravo big man!
Drop it in a '71 Mach One and now we are talking
Holy crap, it sounds like an old Le Mans car!
Gotta love that Ford/Autoline inline 4-barrel... always wanted the Barry Grant version.
Torque is expressed as lbs per foot as foot lbs means the number of pounds force applied to move an object one foot.
Torque is rotational force of a shaft expressed as pounds per foot of lever, to obtain the actual rotational force you must divide by 12 and then multiply that number by the radius of the shaft.
i wanna party with this guy
Jan doesn't drink lol
Try a set of six DCNF webers lol....
IDA's are better for outright performance. 48IDA's would do the trick. There were some 50IDA's made, but I doubt you could even find six of them.
We need more of these
really does sound like 2 straight 6s at once... pretty sweet engine
Wow an auto lite in line four barrel , rare as " hens teeth "
This engine can also be good for the DeTosmo Pantara.
Best sounding Ford I've ever heard.
That cast welding, love to see that video.
I'll take it in a F150 please!
kleetus92 ranger please!
I'll take it in a mustang.
+Jason Winkowski A Ford festiva !! Hold My Beer! I know I can squeeze it in there!!
That engine would be good for the Mazdarati on Roadkill.
Nice work there great job
Love that V12 sound
wow, has that same tinny 6-popper sound, till the revs come up...WOW
he should mass produce that thing
Welding Cast Iron is a royal pain in the ass and if done wrong, ughhh it's ugly. Alignment is absolutely critical for camshaft and crankshaft harmonics, let alone bearing clearances. Even with long honing bars, the camshaft would be particularly difficult. It's clear that this engine builder is a true welding master. Probably preheated the blocks very carefully and in stages. May have had several assistants helping him with welding torches keeping the block hot as he welded. I imagine that once he started welding the blocks together, he didn't stop either. It had to be a one shot deal, up one side of the block and down the other side asap. Or have two welders going simultaneously.
If the block could be cast as a V-12, then I would agree with you. Ford's existing V-10 is actually a pretty decent engine and can be built to the same horsepower and torque numbers this V-12 makes. Both are RPM limited unless everything is absolutely perfect. I've built one V-10 to 550 HP and 590 ft lbs of torque to a self imposed redline of 6,000 RPM. Crankshaft bearing support isn't all that strong in the V-10 and not all that great in a 302. (unless you start with a new Boss 302 block made by Ford Racing).
The V-10 sucks fuel like water going over a waterfall. The V-10 crankshaft fires every 72 degrees, a better balance than then 90 degrees on one bank in this V-12 that's offset 30 degrees from the other. Why he chose this pattern is explained. I think it probably had to do with distributor / ignition limitations. I imagine this V-12 burns as much, probably more fuel than the V-10. Given that he is using 2V Cleveland heads, they breath very well. Running 1,300+ CFM of carburetors. Ouch. The heads and bore spacing of the 302 blocks is superior. But it's still bigger than the V-10 and I'd hate to shoe horn the V-12 into cars of any vintage. The weight of the V-10 tips the scales with aluminum heads at 625 lbs. This V-12 is probably 875 to 900. Possibly more.
hmmm. with the new aluminum blocks, or OEM steel, it would probably be easier i would imagine. but welding aluminum is a bitch if i recall.
Doug Hanchard no doubt but i was thinking some more like a production/casting line perhaps...not make ones from salvaged V8 parts,,,,but i geuss im only dreaming ($$$$$$$$$ is required + the know how)
Doug Hanchard indeed,,,,maybe it should be posted on the donate sites to fund the required amount for it to happen,,,
i think the only advantage here over a v12 is an even smother balanced combustion because v12 are inherently balanced and abit higher engine rpm for the same given displacement
as for the sound im completely sold
the size of the thing might be something to consider..well because making a v12 version of an older engine design isnt going to be like a compact high end modern v12 ..if most likely going to be large
pardon the grammar
ummm...how much we are looking at to mass produce that thing and make it happen,,
i might be able to pull some cash for this
URanInTheUglyForest nice ill check it out
Thank you, Great engineering
sounds very sweet ! excellent work!
this engine should be on the new ford gt
Build me a 1967 NASCAR, 427 SOHC.
Not a Nascar engine. They never allowed cammers to compete.
I love it! Only now I want to see an 858 cubic inch Hemi V12 built from two 572s!
It would be awesome if someone took two 6.1L Hemi blocks and made a V12 out of oh man it'll put the Viper V10 to shame easily.
This is awesome great work