Advantage of Quad is that they can be set up as sequential with a small turbo feeding the bigger with little to no turbo lag. The best feed to a turbo is 3 cylinders so with 4 turbos each will be fed by 3 cylinders.
@@Holmesy89 in terms of lag and throttle response yes, but in terms of big boost the downstream turbo is starting off with the boost of the first turbo and multiplying that so we get big boost plus throttle response!
True, its a much longer crankshaft, but it also has more Main caps/bearings. LS's have great sturdy designed mains to begin with. And as long as its balanced correctly and not over stressed it wouldnt matter if you have a V24 or a V6, itll live
And the Dyno being able to withstand the torque variations as well. This engine fires unevenly; the firing intervals alternate between 90° and 30° due to the 90° V angle and non-split crankpins. (For those of you motorcycle people, it fires exactly the same as a 180° inline twin, except at 6 times the RPM.) The uneven firing also means that the torque signature is much more similar to that of a 6-cylinder engine instead of a V12. Personally, I wonder what it would sound like with a single exhaust or X-pipe.
Ill say Cleetus McFarland needs one of this on his mullett project... Just imagine v12ls twin turbski on a power glide...the truck is already equiped with a rollcage.... Come on cleetus!!
@@armaggedon4christ they won't. Nobody's making big blocks like that anymore except for the Italians and Chrysler 'cause Chrysler doesn't know how to make normal cars
@@guitarwi3rdo GM still manufactures the LSX427.....which is technically a small block but its a pretty big block...as big as anything Chrysler makes TMK, I mean yeah they have the 8L V10 but GM has the 572 or 638 so those are 9.75L and 10.2L V8's so I mean they are still around just very little production.
well it is kind of even firing odd firing engine :D Each of the bank runs as a straight six so each of the bank separately runs even fire, but if you look at the engine as a whole, than it runs oddfire, because of the V angle (90 degrees vs 60 for perfectly evenfiring V12).. so... soundwise I would call it even firing.
There is no such a thing as a flat plane V12. A perfectly balanced v12 come with a 120 deg crank journal separation and 60 deg cylinder bank angle separation which also will result in an even firing order.
@@johnnysodak7261 It _sounds_ like it's even-fire because on the dyno they're running straight dual exhausts with no H-pipe or X-pipe, but in reality you're right, it's odd-fire, because not only is its 90° V-angle decidedly wider than the V12's natural angle of 60°, it runs straight non-split crankpins, which results in firing intervals alternating between 90° and 30°. With a single pipe exhaust I could imagine it having a high-pitched shriek, but with an H-pipe or straight duals it would sound like a 6 cylinder.
@@electric7487 whyt you mean single pipe ? like 12 to 1 ? you really dont want to do that on that engine as it beying 90 degree v12 without split pins as you said, it would cause pressure unbalances. Best to keep it running as two separate inline sixes which run even fire regarding gas scaveaging...
Great to see that the guys found a market, casting their own blocks/milling heads.👌🏼 Big ticket items though these are, the development is what you pay for when getting into something like this..
It's a small market, and not for everyone, but if you want everyone at a car show to notice your ride this will do it. Development costs and low production numbers makes them a little pricey for the average home hotrodder, but we are starting to see them in a few high end builds (Kia van is the exception, lol)
All we need is a sleeved version and turbo setup, mid size turbos (small for the engine though) get it up to about 11-1200 and throw it in a Cien clone.
Exactly. In 1989 they put a v12 in a corvette but didnt release it bc it wasnt affordable. Seeing the price of c8s and really any car, i dont see why they wont put a v12 in it
"I can't weld." Umm...dude you and your buddies fused 2 different blocks together to this things predecessor, and it not only ran but made 700 hp. I think you underestimate your welding ability. Stay safe, be safe. Continued success from the U.S.🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
Those manifolds are a work of art. They're a 6-2-1 configuration though, I wonder if you chuck a pair of long tube 6-1s on we could get this to make the F1 scream like a Zonda? I can hear the high pitched harmonics very faintly as it was revving on the dyno. Or is the 90 degree V angle going to mess with the even firingness?
Let's see the applications. . . . . . .. . A Boss Hoss motorcycle, an offshore powerboat (catamaran preferably), an experimental aircraft built for speed, a Bonneville Streamliner!
I want to build a tiny airplane with one of these with some sauce added. You could easily make 1600HP with a handful of turbos and some engine building, and a tiny plane with that kind of power would just scream. You might even be able to set a piston engine record with it, if you designed the airframe right.
@@benbauer1257 A Merlin is a whole lot bigger and heavier than this. In theory, you could quite easily build something like this that makes Merlin power at half the size and weight, thus a smaller, lighter and more aerodynamic airframe and thus faster. The problem is making something that powerful, small and light still be reliable enough for single engine aircraft use. Blow a motor up on takeoff and you're in a world of hurt.
That torque curve is amazing. I commented on your giveaway car that I was disappointed in the numbers but this one is awesome. That torque and snappy throttle response is great for daily driving. Great job
@@WarWagonMT Except they're about AUD$80,000. The seppos get them cheap because of the exchange rate. Must be rich to be able to buy one of these. I looked at putting one in my Jag project and just about had a heart attack when I saw the price. To say I was deeply shocked at the price was about the mildest description I might apply. I felt like a fool, was angry and pissed off. Promoting this stuff on RUclips as if it's relatively affordable annoys me but hey if you're rich, move in rich circles, then you know nothing else other than rich, Right? They have the Marie Antoinette's about them these people - Let Them Eat Cake which means if we're rich then everybody else is (and if they aren't then it is the plebs fault so dream on pleb). In the end, we're all just financial units there to be raped by the wealthy... [End Rant] PS I might buy the Motec. Finally an injection system that has native 12 cylinder at a reasonable price and you get parts support. The vid was worth it for that.
@@ThePaulv12 I don't really feel any sympathy...you NEED air, water and food. You don't NEED a V12 LS. You could "slum it" (comparatively) with a junkyard LS and a ChinaMart turbo kit, and make similar numbers.
@@bcubed72 Well alright then but i aint putting a fucking V8 in it but I will ask you, don't you think ~ $80k is a lot of money for this engine? Anyway, I'll make my own V12 stroker out of all my shitheap V12s lying about the place and go Motec and use jag fuel rail and power ported intakes.
Looking only at the external evidence of the engine with the little knowledge I have, I may be mistaken, but I see that they were worried about making an exhaust with the same volume for each cylinder. However, the staining of it already reveals that the cylinders do not have the same filling. I don't think this intake collector has the same Volume as the TBI for each intake valve. If you install a wideband o2 sensor on each cylinder, you can see more clearly. But I also know that it is not possible to have a perfect admission collector, because many cars do not have enough space. But monitoring the temperature and burning of each cylinder would help greatly improve the efficiency of this amazing and gorgeous engine.
Of course FFR wants to nab one up. He'll throw it in a GTM body and eventually come out with a new rendition hoping to sell a few of these engines with it. Great stuff!
4 105mm turbos, 8" thick radiator, half-height intercooler of the same core thickness, 30PSI boost, double liter injectors per cylinder double 150mm throttle bodies, e85, you'll hit 4000 hp no sweat.
Imagine if one of these was transplanted into a Corvette (C8 or older). My God, that would be an awesome project, and a video series I'd actually watch.
Great video guys !! and great engine too< i would love to see individual cylinder egt probes to see how the intake is distributing air etc, I think this engine has sooo much potential, it has only just begun TBH. An aluminium block would be very nice to see and see what the gross mass weight would be. I would guess 50% more than an LS3 at 183kgs. So lets say 274kgs, that is only a small bit over an RB26 with twin turbos. I would still prefer a fully modified LS3 bombed off it's tree as I am more of a weight weenie, but damn this thing is very cool.
That iron long block dry with everything except headers tipped the scales at 273kg. Remember there is more material at the ends of the block, and every block has 2 ends, so even with thick cyl walls and extra webbing, they are still a little less than 1.5x the V8 mass.
@@WarWagonMT But an LS3 is 183kgs complete ready to go in the hole. RB26DETT is complete too at 270kgs, i try to get complete engine weights when I refer to them, because at the end of the day, that is the reality. I really like this build, so unique.
@@SimonWorlds Wow, an RB26 is pretty heavy with all the gear! The iron V12 would still tip the scales at a little under 300kg with oil and exhaust. The V12 alloy blocks are lighter, but everything else (crank, cam, pistons, rods, etc.) weighs pretty much the same, so you might save around 50kg, putting the dressed weight well under the RB26. For your records, a fully dressed RX8 4-port engine is 130kg, and a 2J non-turbo is 208kg with no exhaust.
@@WarWagonMT Oh wow, the rotary is surprisingly lighter than i thought. The 2J is a heavy beast aye, the 2JZ I am not sure of, but have been told it is up there with RB26's weight fully dressed. Thanks for the reply mate.
Turbo and supercharged, now that would be sick, again the V12LS is the burt munro of australia, now that would be a challenge as well, first V12LS engine to break the land speed record at bonneville salt flats? After all they have had V12 engines before, just not a LS based and made from scratch and just imagine piston sleeves made to custom pistons and then cams and h beam rods etc etc, all made to the best materials for very hi revving engines, after all all the hyper engines are like that, they will run all day every day at hi rev's which is why they have so much cooling and i wonder which radiator is required and of course twin large Fans as well, maybe someone who has a New Camaro and put one of these engines in it and a magnuson supercharger. :) Just to be the first. :) Congrats to all involved and good luck in the states. :)
Fantastic! This is a dream! How much does it weigh? Any plans of Aluminum Cast/Forged/Billet Block in the future? Any plans of Compound Turbos? Any Idea how much Boost it could handle? A Lightweight version for aircraft use with the Cam drive beefed up and modified to drive the prop at a 2:1 Gear Reduction(or without) would be a winner!!
Can't imagine the cost of doing the block that way. Cast iron is not your friend when it comes to the over all weight or trying to balance the vehicle but the strength should be there.
@@breaganrosenberg2264 a few engine builders are doing billet blocks for small block Chevy and Toyota 2JZ inline 6, some of them producing as much as 5000hp!
What are they putting it in? They should hit up cleetus at summernats he will be there and has a couple of projects that would benefit from one of these!
If they make this with an X-ram intake with dual throttle bodies, i would buy it. And if you did a Nelson Racing Engines take on it and integrate inter-coolers into the cross ram or "X-ram" intake then turbo it, you would have total madness....
This manifold cut off on top. Weld a new plate on. And than build a two in one 420 B&M Mega Blower with four 600 cfm carbs on the top. And this in high polish alu look ! Perfect for a 1932 cadillac 372 a 5 window pro street style full fendered hot rod coupe !!
The rear exhaust pipes are not changing color. That means there is less heat in them relative to the front ones. That means they are running rich caused from less air. The engine is literally choking the rear few cylinders because it flows so much air
That's super exciting one of the v12s is going in a factory five car! Also, a dual throttle body crossram intake manifold would be super cool on this thing, or some itbs. :D
Don’t know if the offset of the cylinders is the same as a stock ls but why not make an intake that uses a manifold per head. Like the one the skid factory made up for their gz powered cruiser. That would eliminate the need for a bigger throttle body but it would probably just be easier to make a larger single manifold. I don’t really know if that would have an adverse effects on the performance of the engine but it would look pretty cool.
The things that dreams are made of. I love the sound but it also hurts me. I have had a few engines come from together to apart while making that type of sweet sound back in the day. lol
My 5.3 loves to idle at 850 rpm's. Has a nice note with the exhaust. I want it to be a torque monster rather than a high revver, so a nice twin screw is in order for the future.
@@scotthodgkinson1529 Agree, but they're already replaced the old Jag v12 with an LS v8. This has to at least be a better alternative to that? Ideally they could have used a new Jag F rype v8, or even an Aston Martin v12. You wouldn't think cost would be a factor considering how much the total car is likely costing.
@@MakewithJosh yeah after I wrote that I went and actually looked at his web site to see the car. I think the car deserves some gnarly v12 not that the LS or the v12ls could not be gnarly just something like the old school v12 Iike the xj13 jag prototype racer
Wish it sounded more like a v10. The sound isnt as bad at 7100rpm, but could probably take it to 8500rpm with a 10 and be a shorter swap into compact race (kit) cars. Very impressed by this none-the-less. Power is less than a NA 496 32v BBC I bought, and weight is more than an aluminum BBC - but I’d still buy one for a swap.
I just can’t fathom how they’ve got a custom cast head, block, crank, cam, and all that jazz but the motor isn’t absolutely ridiculously priced in the grand scheme of things.
Idk why people want to give up real engines with the sound of power for a future of quiet electric cars and no mods and turbos just boring cars. Its actually bothing me so much its keeping me up at night knowing the future will be quiet and boring at car and truck events. I hope there is still hope for internal combustion egines for the future
I thought this project was dead.....as a huge LS fan....I will make one promise in my life. The SECOND i can afford this I WILL make a Cadillac Cien clone and your engine will grace its bay!
V-6 and V-12 engines get smoother firing orders when there're built on a 60° (or 120°) bank angle of the V. I realize that they might need to raise the cam so it would fit, and that's complicated, but just lengthening the standard V-8 90° bank is less optimal. It could be smoother, more compact and possibly lighter if they made that change. Virtually everything here is probably custom anyway, except the valves, bearings and rotating assemblies.
You are correct from an even firing perspective, though a straight 6 is balanced in every order, so a V12 may be built at any angle and be perfectly balanced, and still odd fire.
Pagani Zonda just used a V12 from Mercedes A class. I don’t get the appeal of this video. V8 needs two throws less than any of the balanced 6. 90° gives first oder in bay balance. V12 has equal firing order. Yeah, I see those headers. Still would instead want turbo like in F1 with energy recovery.
Cleetus McFarland needs one of these!
Soooo flipping true bro.... Do it for Dale!!! Bog deep!!! Cleetus McFarland!!
This needs to go in the Jet car build that he cancelled lol
i'm sure he can fit one on his carry on when returning from Summer Nat's
@@alibizzle2010 You can just fit two heads in check luggage ;)
Guaranteed to run a 8.0...
Hats off to the mad lads who looked at an LS V8 and thought it was a bit small and underpowered.
“You know what the LS needs? 50% more cylinders...”
@@Daytonaman675 How gotd
@@Daytonaman675 so does every engine.. this one proves it
V8's are not performance engines. A V12 is for performance, why do you think they are used in the best cars.
@@chippyjohn1 "V8s are not performance engines"... I'm sorry, Sandy Wilkins would like a word with you.
I've never felt so excited about a Kia van.
I swear when I saw that van ripping down the street I couldn't stop laughing.
shoulda brought that one to sema
That engine is a menace to society. Should be more of them
There are. Steve Morris will build you one
like machine guns!
If it is a menace to society then they should be banned.
Trump is, not this engine
@@svenskaz3428 LOL. Trump is a menace to society but Bidens first month in office and there are more troops heading into the middle east already.
I'd have to say, being a V8 fan, this is the best sounding V12 I've ever heard!!!
Only a matter of time before the quad turbo setups come
Why go 4, go 6 or 8 just for laughs!
That... or giant roots blowers...
Advantage of Quad is that they can be set up as sequential with a small turbo feeding the bigger with little to no turbo lag. The best feed to a turbo is 3 cylinders so with 4 turbos each will be fed by 3 cylinders.
captarmour modern variable vein and twin scroll turbos all but eliminate the need for sequential turbo charging.
@@Holmesy89 in terms of lag and throttle response yes, but in terms of big boost the downstream turbo is starting off with the boost of the first turbo and multiplying that so we get big boost plus throttle response!
That length of crank shaft turning to 7k. That’s amazing, what a feat.
True, its a much longer crankshaft, but it also has more Main caps/bearings. LS's have great sturdy designed mains to begin with. And as long as its balanced correctly and not over stressed it wouldnt matter if you have a V24 or a V6, itll live
And the Dyno being able to withstand the torque variations as well. This engine fires unevenly; the firing intervals alternate between 90° and 30° due to the 90° V angle and non-split crankpins. (For those of you motorcycle people, it fires exactly the same as a 180° inline twin, except at 6 times the RPM.) The uneven firing also means that the torque signature is much more similar to that of a 6-cylinder engine instead of a V12. Personally, I wonder what it would sound like with a single exhaust or X-pipe.
The world will lose its mind as soon as this company announces the plans to mass produce this engine
Kanae Uzumaki goddess of wisdom and light this is what the 2020 Vette should have had in a front engine
@@spankthemonkey3437 no
Pat what maybe a rear engine then whatever it should have had this engine since they are trying to immitate a european car
@@spankthemonkey3437 no?
Pat yes?
Glad to see the prototype end up as this. I loved the 2 ls blocks welded together. You guys are fucking awsome.
Need some individual throttle bodies on that setup.
Ill say Cleetus McFarland needs one of this on his mullett project... Just imagine v12ls twin turbski on a power glide...the truck is already equiped with a rollcage.... Come on cleetus!!
I would like to see c8 2020 v12ls swap
Might not have enough real estate for it. Maybe an lm gt...?
@@guitarwi3rdo remove the trunk part and I'm sure there is room.
Yes, GM needs to look into this, as it seems most of the R&D is already done....
@@armaggedon4christ they won't. Nobody's making big blocks like that anymore except for the Italians and Chrysler 'cause Chrysler doesn't know how to make normal cars
@@guitarwi3rdo GM still manufactures the LSX427.....which is technically a small block but its a pretty big block...as big as anything Chrysler makes TMK, I mean yeah they have the 8L V10 but GM has the 572 or 638 so those are 9.75L and 10.2L V8's so I mean they are still around just very little production.
Odd firing v12 is so damn cool I love the f1 scream of flat plane but this is just so cool in it's own way.
well it is kind of even firing odd firing engine :D Each of the bank runs as a straight six so each of the bank separately runs even fire, but if you look at the engine as a whole, than it runs oddfire, because of the V angle (90 degrees vs 60 for perfectly evenfiring V12).. so... soundwise I would call it even firing.
There is no such a thing as a flat plane V12. A perfectly balanced v12 come with a 120 deg crank journal separation and 60 deg cylinder bank angle separation which also will result in an even firing order.
@@johnnysodak7261 It _sounds_ like it's even-fire because on the dyno they're running straight dual exhausts with no H-pipe or X-pipe, but in reality you're right, it's odd-fire, because not only is its 90° V-angle decidedly wider than the V12's natural angle of 60°, it runs straight non-split crankpins, which results in firing intervals alternating between 90° and 30°. With a single pipe exhaust I could imagine it having a high-pitched shriek, but with an H-pipe or straight duals it would sound like a 6 cylinder.
@@soraaoixxthebluesky Poor wording on their part; they meant to say "even fire" instead of "flat plane".
@@electric7487 whyt you mean single pipe ? like 12 to 1 ? you really dont want to do that on that engine as it beying 90 degree v12 without split pins as you said, it would cause pressure unbalances. Best to keep it running as two separate inline sixes which run even fire regarding gas scaveaging...
Great to see that the guys found a market, casting their own blocks/milling heads.👌🏼
Big ticket items though these are, the development is what you pay for when getting into something like this..
It's a small market, and not for everyone, but if you want everyone at a car show to notice your ride this will do it.
Development costs and low production numbers makes them a little pricey for the average home hotrodder, but we are starting to see them in a few high end builds (Kia van is the exception, lol)
@@WarWagonMT yep, some nice "resto mod" stuff with their gear inside.
All we need is a sleeved version and turbo setup, mid size turbos (small for the engine though) get it up to about 11-1200 and throw it in a Cien clone.
it sounds like a really old V12. so soulful. an engine that colossal revving as high as it is... man... it just makes you wanna cry, doesn't it?
A V12 like this is what should have gone into the C8 as it went mid-engine
That is going to be very heavy, but someone will do a swap when these engines become more common
Exactly. In 1989 they put a v12 in a corvette but didnt release it bc it wasnt affordable. Seeing the price of c8s and really any car, i dont see why they wont put a v12 in it
They couldn’t sell it in Europe though and they sure were stoked to finally make some European sales numbers with their newest “corvette” hahaha
@@daniesalex7073 Make it aluminum.
@@kleetus92 Aluminium v12s are still heavy , but still lighter than iron blocks ,
"I can't weld."
Umm...dude you and your buddies fused 2 different blocks together to this things predecessor, and it not only ran but made 700 hp. I think you underestimate your welding ability. Stay safe, be safe. Continued success from the U.S.🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
Thats sweet.
Really well done, great drivability, and potential for more. Great job lads.
Maybe I'm nuts, but I'd love to see a straight six version of the LS series.....
Atlas 4200… but OHV?
This engine is perfect for LS Fest! If Rob can get in with his rotary Corvette, you guys could definitely get in with the V12LS.
We took 2 last year, here is 1320 checking it out: ruclips.net/video/f38CRGHdeJs/видео.html
Those manifolds are a work of art. They're a 6-2-1 configuration though, I wonder if you chuck a pair of long tube 6-1s on we could get this to make the F1 scream like a Zonda? I can hear the high pitched harmonics very faintly as it was revving on the dyno. Or is the 90 degree V angle going to mess with the even firingness?
Let's see the applications. . . . . . .. . A Boss Hoss motorcycle, an offshore powerboat (catamaran preferably), an experimental aircraft built for speed, a Bonneville Streamliner!
Great that Aussies have turned these LS engines into v12. Well done, looks good and would sound awesome with lumpy cams
282 cams....
It just gives you a stupid grin listening to it... awesome work.
those headers are so sexy. and yes definitely need to twin turbo!
I love the Aussie's they are as crazy as us American gear heads!
WE NEED A V12 MANG MANG!
Nassa wouldnt need rockets if we got a v12 ecojet lol
I want to build a tiny airplane with one of these with some sauce added. You could easily make 1600HP with a handful of turbos and some engine building, and a tiny plane with that kind of power would just scream. You might even be able to set a piston engine record with it, if you designed the airframe right.
Unlikely. Those Rolls Royce engines that came in the P-51D/K are kinda the zenith
@@benbauer1257 A Merlin is a whole lot bigger and heavier than this. In theory, you could quite easily build something like this that makes Merlin power at half the size and weight, thus a smaller, lighter and more aerodynamic airframe and thus faster. The problem is making something that powerful, small and light still be reliable enough for single engine aircraft use. Blow a motor up on takeoff and you're in a world of hurt.
It would go perfectly with a Thunder mustang !
If I get my hands on one of these, you've just given me an idea of what to do with it.
That torque curve is amazing. I commented on your giveaway car that I was disappointed in the numbers but this one is awesome. That torque and snappy throttle response is great for daily driving. Great job
Now we need a V12 barra!
We agree. Waiting for a customer to step us with the $ to build it might take some time though.
until you can make one for 4 grand, no one will ever buy it lol!
Long live the majestic V12.
Visually has the presence of a Merlin or a Griffon
It’s like a 1/4 scale griffon.
Now we need a V10-LS!
Ok, that van looks HELLA fun
Man, this thing is amazing. Its sound is like a corvette slept with an old lambo v12. The world needs more mad lads like them.
S l e p t
It sounds amazing I cant wait till I can afford one!
AY YO, CAR GUY HERE! TIME TO LS SWAP THIS INTO MY LAWNMOWER YEE HAW!!
Idk if it will fit in a honda....jk lol
Though cool as can be, smooth, torquey and unique. It’s essentially a novelty piece given the weight, dimensions and other considerations.
be killer in a 70s jag xj with fake rocker covers throw all the poms of theyre game
Now you can LS swap your Jag, AND keep it a V12.
@@WarWagonMT haha nice!
@@WarWagonMT Except they're about AUD$80,000. The seppos get them cheap because of the exchange rate. Must be rich to be able to buy one of these. I looked at putting one in my Jag project and just about had a heart attack when I saw the price. To say I was deeply shocked at the price was about the mildest description I might apply. I felt like a fool, was angry and pissed off. Promoting this stuff on RUclips as if it's relatively affordable annoys me but hey if you're rich, move in rich circles, then you know nothing else other than rich, Right? They have the Marie Antoinette's about them these people - Let Them Eat Cake which means if we're rich then everybody else is (and if they aren't then it is the plebs fault so dream on pleb). In the end, we're all just financial units there to be raped by the wealthy...
[End Rant]
PS I might buy the Motec. Finally an injection system that has native 12 cylinder at a reasonable price and you get parts support. The vid was worth it for that.
@@ThePaulv12 I don't really feel any sympathy...you NEED air, water and food. You don't NEED a V12 LS. You could "slum it" (comparatively) with a junkyard LS and a ChinaMart turbo kit, and make similar numbers.
@@bcubed72 Well alright then but i aint putting a fucking V8 in it but I will ask you, don't you think ~ $80k is a lot of money for this engine?
Anyway, I'll make my own V12 stroker out of all my shitheap V12s lying about the place and go Motec and use jag fuel rail and power ported intakes.
OMG THIS IS THE FREAKING BEST!!! I HOOE THERE AFFORDABLE AND HAVE PLENTY OF PARTS MADE👌👌👂👂 sounds Soo amazingly beautiful 🤩🤩
Luv that engine. I'm thinking, a Pro Charger setup would be sweet.😎✌️
Now this is bonkers.
Could make for the ultimate Cadillac Escalade V series!
american pagani
Looking only at the external evidence of the engine with the little knowledge I have, I may be mistaken, but I see that they were worried about making an exhaust with the same volume for each cylinder. However, the staining of it already reveals that the cylinders do not have the same filling. I don't think this intake collector has the same Volume as the TBI for each intake valve.
If you install a wideband o2 sensor on each cylinder, you can see more clearly.
But I also know that it is not possible to have a perfect admission collector, because many cars do not have enough space.
But monitoring the temperature and burning of each cylinder would help greatly improve the efficiency of this amazing and gorgeous engine.
So basically you guys made a electric motor (torque wise)
LOL i was just thinking that. The torque curve is very BEV like.
John Fitzgerald no, EVs make a ton of torque at the beginning and then drop off like a mf depending on how high it revs to
More power at 3,500 rpm than my stock xr6 turbo at peak output. I can understand why he says it’s an amazing engine to drive.
Of course FFR wants to nab one up. He'll throw it in a GTM body and eventually come out with a new rendition hoping to sell a few of these engines with it. Great stuff!
What an awesome video keep up the good work
4 105mm turbos, 8" thick radiator, half-height intercooler of the same core thickness, 30PSI boost, double liter injectors per cylinder double 150mm throttle bodies, e85, you'll hit 4000 hp no sweat.
FOUR 105mm?? That's ridiculous. Twin 105 would be closer.
Imagine if one of these was transplanted into a Corvette (C8 or older). My God, that would be an awesome project, and a video series I'd actually watch.
It looks like it would make a great boat racing engine!
Great video guys !! and great engine too< i would love to see individual cylinder egt probes to see how the intake is distributing air etc, I think this engine has sooo much potential, it has only just begun TBH. An aluminium block would be very nice to see and see what the gross mass weight would be. I would guess 50% more than an LS3 at 183kgs. So lets say 274kgs, that is only a small bit over an RB26 with twin turbos.
I would still prefer a fully modified LS3 bombed off it's tree as I am more of a weight weenie, but damn this thing is very cool.
That iron long block dry with everything except headers tipped the scales at 273kg. Remember there is more material at the ends of the block, and every block has 2 ends, so even with thick cyl walls and extra webbing, they are still a little less than 1.5x the V8 mass.
@@WarWagonMT But an LS3 is 183kgs complete ready to go in the hole.
RB26DETT is complete too at 270kgs, i try to get complete engine weights when I refer to them, because at the end of the day, that is the reality.
I really like this build, so unique.
@@SimonWorlds Wow, an RB26 is pretty heavy with all the gear! The iron V12 would still tip the scales at a little under 300kg with oil and exhaust. The V12 alloy blocks are lighter, but everything else (crank, cam, pistons, rods, etc.) weighs pretty much the same, so you might save around 50kg, putting the dressed weight well under the RB26.
For your records, a fully dressed RX8 4-port engine is 130kg, and a 2J non-turbo is 208kg with no exhaust.
@@WarWagonMT Oh wow, the rotary is surprisingly lighter than i thought. The 2J is a heavy beast aye, the 2JZ I am not sure of, but have been told it is up there with RB26's weight fully dressed.
Thanks for the reply mate.
This is going to be perfect for my next small tank build!
This belongs in the 2020 Corvette. Every super car manufacturer would have shit their pants. Some rich nutter has to do it, "It will fit"!
I love the crazy Australians. This engine will get you across the Simpson desert in a pinch.
Factory five bought one?
Ok now I know its gonna be cool.
Turbo and supercharged, now that would be sick, again the V12LS is the burt munro of australia, now that would be a challenge as well, first V12LS engine to break the land speed record at bonneville salt flats? After all they have had V12 engines before, just not a LS based and made from scratch and just imagine piston sleeves made to custom pistons and then cams and h beam rods etc etc, all made to the best materials for very hi revving engines, after all all the hyper engines are like that, they will run all day every day at hi rev's which is why they have so much cooling and i wonder which radiator is required and of course twin large Fans as well, maybe someone who has a New Camaro and put one of these engines in it and a magnuson supercharger. :) Just to be the first. :) Congrats to all involved and good luck in the states. :)
Dream engine right there, up there with the Viper's v10
Can you imagine, pretty much at any RPM this motor will break'em loose...SO fun !!!
Especially if its blown
We all need one of these in our lives.
751hp out of the box with an arrow flat torque curve. monster. Looking forward to them chucking in the bigger cam and e85. 850+hp?
Then maybe throw some twin turbskies on for an easy 2000hp
@@Drunkonair12 turbskies ftw.
It would be interesting to know how the F/A ratios vary from front to rear cylinders.
They have to be bad with the distances and that tiny single throttlebody.
We NEED MORE CROSS PLANE V12's on this Earth!! 🌎
This engine is GLORIOUS.😭😭
Fantastic! This is a dream! How much does it weigh? Any plans of Aluminum Cast/Forged/Billet Block in the future? Any plans of Compound Turbos? Any Idea how much Boost it could handle?
A Lightweight version for aircraft use with the Cam drive beefed up and modified to drive the prop at a 2:1 Gear Reduction(or without) would be a winner!!
Can't imagine the cost of doing the block that way. Cast iron is not your friend when it comes to the over all weight or trying to balance the vehicle but the strength should be there.
@@breaganrosenberg2264 a few engine builders are doing billet blocks for small block Chevy and Toyota 2JZ inline 6, some of them producing as much as 5000hp!
I wanna see one with like twin 100 mm turbos. Man oh man!!!
What are they putting it in? They should hit up cleetus at summernats he will be there and has a couple of projects that would benefit from one of these!
Going into Factory Five Racing's new car at SEMA.
It sounds like a RB. It's so smooth
If they make this with an X-ram intake with dual throttle bodies, i would buy it. And if you did a Nelson Racing Engines take on it and integrate inter-coolers into the cross ram or "X-ram" intake then turbo it, you would have total madness....
This manifold cut off on top.
Weld a new plate on.
And than build a two in one 420 B&M Mega Blower with four 600 cfm carbs on the top.
And this in high polish alu look !
Perfect for a 1932 cadillac 372 a 5 window pro street style full fendered hot rod coupe !!
The rear exhaust pipes are not changing color. That means there is less heat in them relative to the front ones. That means they are running rich caused from less air. The engine is literally choking the rear few cylinders because it flows so much air
That's super exciting one of the v12s is going in a factory five car! Also, a dual throttle body crossram intake manifold would be super cool on this thing, or some itbs. :D
Don’t know if the offset of the cylinders is the same as a stock ls but why not make an intake that uses a manifold per head. Like the one the skid factory made up for their gz powered cruiser. That would eliminate the need for a bigger throttle body but it would probably just be easier to make a larger single manifold. I don’t really know if that would have an adverse effects on the performance of the engine but it would look pretty cool.
The things that dreams are made of. I love the sound but it also hurts me. I have had a few engines come from together to apart while making that type of sweet sound back in the day. lol
if I ever get an extra $30,000 I'd love to put one of these in my daily driver
That's just for the motor... if you're lucky. :P
make that 55k USD and its yours.
I totally agree with the subtitles 0:00
Imagine what this thing would sound like with some itbs and a set of zoomies😏
Pure EARGASM!!!
BRAPBRAP-BRAPBRAP!!!
This is super cool , when’s the v10 coming out ?
My 5.3 loves to idle at 850 rpm's. Has a nice note with the exhaust. I want it to be a torque monster rather than a high revver, so a nice twin screw is in order for the future.
Foose needs one of these in his new Jag E-type.
That's like putting a holden 186 in your new supra
@@scotthodgkinson1529 Agree, but they're already replaced the old Jag v12 with an LS v8. This has to at least be a better alternative to that? Ideally they could have used a new Jag F rype v8, or even an Aston Martin v12. You wouldn't think cost would be a factor considering how much the total car is likely costing.
@@MakewithJosh yeah after I wrote that I went and actually looked at his web site to see the car. I think the car deserves some gnarly v12 not that the LS or the v12ls could not be gnarly just something like the old school v12 Iike the xj13 jag prototype racer
I remember hearing about the v12 la but not heard much in a while but thats cool
my Holden ute with a LS7 ... Naah mate...
my Holden ute with a V12-LS Yeeah Mate!
I want to see one of these at LS Fest!
Absolute legends...
Wish it sounded more like a v10. The sound isnt as bad at 7100rpm, but could probably take it to 8500rpm with a 10 and be a shorter swap into compact race (kit) cars. Very impressed by this none-the-less. Power is less than a NA 496 32v BBC I bought, and weight is more than an aluminum BBC - but I’d still buy one for a swap.
I just can’t fathom how they’ve got a custom cast head, block, crank, cam, and all that jazz but the motor isn’t absolutely ridiculously priced in the grand scheme of things.
they showed you images of them casting and machining it :) perhaps they dont want to charge 30K us an engine :)
sounds like 2jz without huge turbo spool
definitely has more of a V6 sound to it than a straight 6.
That exhaust note is sexy
It still sounds like GM. I like it.
Make it fit in my Cutlass Supreme.
Oh it's beautiful!
That adicted performance logo should have 2 ds. At least it isn't a tattoo.
Love the video.
Is an aluminum version coming??
Yes it's already on offer.
Nah you gotta get the full American experience and keep it cast iron
Idk why people want to give up real engines with the sound of power for a future of quiet electric cars and no mods and turbos just boring cars. Its actually bothing me so much its keeping me up at night knowing the future will be quiet and boring at car and truck events. I hope there is still hope for internal combustion egines for the future
Odd fire, or did you split the crank pins?
this is just absurd and unnecessary!!
*ILL TAKE 2*
The right amount to power a small boat :D
Anyone know how to get ahold of Matt? Been trying to track them down for a while now.
I thought this project was dead.....as a huge LS fan....I will make one promise in my life. The SECOND i can afford this I WILL make a Cadillac Cien clone and your engine will grace its bay!
The Engine that should be in the mid engined Vette!
vector6977 this is the engine that should have been in front engine Corvette
this engine will never fit, even if you hack the shit out of the frunk.
Was that a flash of Jaguar E-type I saw? Is it still considered lumping if you put one of these in?
Absolutely awesome
V-6 and V-12 engines get smoother firing orders when there're built on a 60° (or 120°) bank angle of the V. I realize that they might need to raise the cam so it would fit, and that's complicated, but just lengthening the standard V-8 90° bank is less optimal. It could be smoother, more compact and possibly lighter if they made that change. Virtually everything here is probably custom anyway, except the valves, bearings and rotating assemblies.
You are correct from an even firing perspective, though a straight 6 is balanced in every order, so a V12 may be built at any angle and be perfectly balanced, and still odd fire.
Pagani Zonda just used a V12 from Mercedes A class. I don’t get the appeal of this video. V8 needs two throws less than any of the balanced 6. 90° gives first oder in bay balance.
V12 has equal firing order. Yeah, I see those headers. Still would instead want turbo like in F1 with energy recovery.
So good!