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US sues Adobe for ‘deceiving’ subscriptions that are too hard to cancel / The Justice Department alleges that Adobe hid early cancellation fees and trapped consumers in pricey subscriptions.
@@deleted3792 oh no, I not subscribe to Adobe CC. I never used their CC service. I’m just glad to hear more people are leaving Adobe. But no not stuck with them at all. I hope this sends a clear message to Adobe.
Yay for us old guys. ;-) Had _everything_ up until CS6. Limped along with that _until_ Affinity. As of v2, I'm 100% Affinity, 0% Adobe. And very happy.
And yet you let google or apple know exactly where you are 24/7, let them know what you spend your money on, let them view all your photos and what you watch on youtube lol.
True, and I don't pay for it. I refuse to pay to give up my privacy. At least, yeah I bought a phone. But I didn't buy a subscription like: yeah I like to give up my privacy every month hooray. And nowadays I see no way to 'live' without a phone (because in the Netherlands everything from the govermont works through apps installed). But if I could, I would. And for RUclips... yes I can ditch it. But because I'm not paying for it, I keep it for a while now. For adobe I just thought: am I gonna ditch it... Hell yeah.
When CS6 was getting old, I started looking for alternatives. Subscription was never an option because I want to own my software. I switched to Affinity in 2017 and never had any regrets.
You don’t own software. You license it. It could be perpetual or subscription, but it’s always licensed. The only one who owns the software is the developer.
@@mikhail4486 I have been using it for any/all needs as a hobby photographer and boardgame designer, and also for work related tasks (education), on both Win10 and on Mac M1 and M3. I have had very few, if any, crashes. If anything i'd say it is stable. The main ones I've been using are Photo + Publisher.
Pay to own software for each major version is the way to do it. I happily pay again for 3. The only issue there is the delay in feature sets they set aside for the big version update. Instead of letting us use them while they work on it. Minor updates are mostly bug fixes until then. But then that actually has a good side since you know the updates are actually fixing bugs and not adding more features that can cause even more bugs. By the end you have a very stable product.
I thank Adobe for many years of excellent products, experiences and how this translated into so much work that helped so many satisfied customers and helped many of them succeed. Like everything, "it's the cycle of life" and I think that Adobe has crossed the line and, with that, I hope not, but for me it has closed its cycle and I'm unlikely to go back!
Stop using adobe when they change to subscription after cs6, not because the a.i or uela, but I think the subscription fee is just too high and I don’t like force my student to learn a suite that will suck their money in their future.
Same here, I planned on waiting for a CS7 to update my CS5.5, and boom subscription model. Already disgusted by their practices, and stiff, unchanging software, I said fuck off. Used freewares in between, even changed career. But never a single cent more given to Adobe.
I have campaigned for Affinity for a few years now, while i was a visual design student i hated how my lecturers kept saying affinity was an inferior product and "Adobe is the industry standard!" like that meant something, having a monopoly makes you the de-facto product only because others weren't in the position to move you down a peg. The irony of the lecturers championing the company that was intentionally trying to replace the people they were teaching to become artists with AI generated art is laughable now. How Adobe were able to worm into colleges? With their suite suckering students with discounts for the duration of college and them ripping them off forced to subscribe annually after to use the product once they turned professional as all the major design companies were also slaves to the corporation that turns out secretly wants to destroy it. [Like a Sith Lord running in the Senate :) ] How the tables are turning with Affinity offering their suite to deserving schools for free will hopefully be the nail in the coffin for Adobe's greedy monopoly and the end of the undeserving biased "industry standard" label. The only reason they got this far is because they bought out the competition and took their ideas.
And Affinity could, hopefully won’t, just be getting their foot in the door to do the same thing. Adobe used to offer things to students and teachers for free or at a tiny fraction of the price. That and the massive powerhouse Photoshop used to be was how they got their foot in the door.
@@LisaMarieFord that is true, all eyes are on Canva and Affinity to stick to their promises of offering a one time payment even if they do add subscriptions, People will be quick to cast doubt the don't fulfill their end of the bargain as in the past they were slow to introduce the features that were lacking and now with increased recognition and a larger amount of resources they need up up their game and show they are worth investing in, otherwise Adobe will go on damage control and patch their mistake and keep monopoly of the services.
At the current rate, it's going to take another 300 years for the tables to turn enough for Affinity to be good enough to replace Adobe. Anything other than that is just wishful thinking. In some cases Adobe bought out the competition, but what's stopping new competition from being born? For sure Serif is not competition. Serif has been around for as long as Adobe. They have never made a product to compete with Adobe. They make products for people who don't need Adobe and that's fine. It's unfortunate that they're inspired people to all of this wishful thinking that Affinity can replace Adobe. Realistically, if you can just switch from Adobe to Infinity then you should have been done looong ago. Why have people been spending all of this money on Adobe until now if they could so easily switch? It's not realistic. Whether Adobe is "industry standard" or not makes no difference. They've got the tools that people need and there's barely anything that could be called competition. People who need Adobe aren't going anywhere. Wouldn't it be great if there was real competition.
I’d guess it is in their future. They’ve left this open ended by saying they’ll have “affordable pricing” which is subjective. So many companies do that. Of course for some by time you pay the full price it’s just as much as a subscription.
@@LisaMarieFord $170 for the full suite, $90 at the current sale. Less than 1 year of Adobe's $20/month Photoshop only subscription. And that's owning the software, not renting it.
@@HitfilmUniversity Yes, that’s close to current pricing. Like I said they’ve left it open for changes down the road. That’s not what I pay for Photoshop at locked in prices though. Owning the software… as long as you have the equipment and whatnot necessary to run that particular version. If you upgrade your hardware, software, operating system, etc it could have issues or no longer work. That’s what happened to the versions of Photoshop I “owned” a copy of. Old computer keeled over. New computer couldn’t work with it at all. Then you have to buy the new version of the software. Par for the course. And it’s owning a copy for now. So, like my point IF they stay at our idea of affordable that’s good. IF they raise prices; which they will definitely do being in business in the future prices will be different. Especially with supply and demand once they get the customer base they’re lured away from Adobe. However, it does sound like they’re already contemplated subscriptions.
I left Adobe back in 2015 and received the greatest letter from them in the mail with a sad emoji begging me to come back with a 65% off offer for a creative cloud subscription. I've been using Affinity software since then and haven't looked back.
Purchased the suite a few days ago. Been using adobe since 2014. I'm a 3D artist so I spend alot of money on software. I learned the entire suite in 4 days and it's worth every penny. ( got it on the 50% discount)
@@LisaMarieFord learned Adobe Suite in college, and have been using Affinity for the past five years. The UI and key commands are virtually identical. It's a really smooth transition.
@@LisaMarieFord I sorted out Publisher in a few hours for all the (admittedly basic) things I do (I only do illustrated book layouts and basic graphics) . It's better and faster than ID by miles when you're adjusting images in a document - and you don't have to do anything destructive at all if you use links, as I do.
I made the switch last week. There are some tools that maybe I'll miss from InDesign but for anybody who's not an Adobe power user (as in needing the entire suite) Affinity seems like an interesting choice (and I'd expect it to get better after so many people flocking to it right now). Cheap. One time payment. Doesn't leave a plethora of processes still running even after closing the software.
Yes, Publisher is probably the further from its Adobe competitor. Great piece of software, better than InDesign in many consideration, but cruelly lacking in workhouse features and digital publishing.
If you need Illustrator then you can't just switch to a program that has less than half the functionality. I've only ever really needed Photoshop and Illustrator but there's no possibility of me switching to Affinity software. I've have Serif software since the early 2000's so I know all of what it does and I always used it alongside Adobe for a few interesting things. But there was never any possibility of it replacing Adobe. That is still true today. No possibility. Anybody who is switching simply did not need Adobe tools. If they needed Adobe then they're still using Adobe unless they just decide to stop working.
@@KuttyJoe So far I haven't encountered any obstacles with Photo or Designer. I had to figure out how the software works in contrast to the Adobe Suite but other than that I can work with it just fine. Although maybe with time I'll find things missing, time will tell.
@@KuttyJoe Designe ris almost par on par with Illustrator, even for the most advanced functionalities. The blob brush is not there, which is a shame. And the autotracer, for those who use it. Maybe you tried Designer 1. The second version added a lot.
I totally agree with all that you have said, HOWEVER in all transparency I think you should speak about the fact that CANVA recently purchased Affinity and we (I) don't know yet how or if this will negatively affect Affinity.
A blog post means nothing. They can just change their mind and delete the post down the line. People (are forced to) agree to the ToS. Those don't come with these "clarifications". As long as the ToS are the way they are, they can just do whatever with your stuff.
People just like a feel good story. Anybody who could easily leave Adobe would have already done it to save money. Anybody who is actually able to leave just like that should never have been paying a lot of money unnecessarily in the first place. They should be angry at themselves along with being angry at Adobe.
Thats why they keep doing it. Because the users are just stupid and forgiving like that. Nothing more than experimental apes that dont know critical thinking or a better term would be brainwashed consumerism. Just like the Apple community xD
Picked up an Affinity License and now in the process of dropping Adobe. Adobe requires you to give them a license then they let you “opt-out” after you’ve accepted the terms and conditions. Adobe didn’t give us an option to decline the terms and conditions without losing access to our files. Adobe should go on an apology tour instead of the gas light tour they are on.
I've never subscribed to Adobe, but bought the software years ago. When they went to their subscription model I was left with free software options. When Affinity came along I climbed on board right at the beginning. I was looking for what Affinity produced and have never looked back since. Thanks very much for enlightening the creative community. Regards to you.
Affinity is a powerful Ps alternative. Since my switch in 2019 from a cracked version, I also never looked back. I am happy I can help. Btw, if you want to connect with other Affinity Creatives - I've just launched a Skool community which you can join for free: www.skool.com/affinity-photo-creatives-6824/about
I like to use ACDsee. I already sort my photos into folders, so I don't have to rely on software and ACDsee kind of enhances that idea. But, if Affinity made something, that'd be nice also.
Used Adobe from 1996 until 2017, when I bought Affinity Photo v1. Never looked back. Bought Designer a couple of days later, and preordered Publisher when it was announced. It's the best editing software out there, especially for the money.
I left Adobe too. I was on the full cloud suite, I downgraded, then cancelled the 30 day trial. It gets around the, "You owe us £xxx to cancel your subscription."
@@LV4EVR if people read the T&Cs and took time to understand what they were signing up to, then they WOULD know this. Interestingly, this privacy issue came about because someone read the T&Cs, yet all these folks who don't understand that you sign up to pay monthly for a YEAR clearly haven't read them. But, how do they know about the other things people are crying about? Because they blindly follow and listen to others without taking the time to understand it themselves.
I love using Affinity, but I use Vectorstyler for vector work because it's far more advanced than Designer. using them together certainly covers all the illustrator needs
There will sadly be still millions that will not be aware of this and continue to use Adobe. I left Adobe when they claimed that "there will always be a standalone version of lightroom" and then kicked us in the nuts. I mean I can not even edit the pictures I used to edit in lightroom, when I had the software legit.
Ditto. I switched to Affinity Photo and Davinci Resolve a couple of years ago. Why? Because adobe screwed me. I had 'perpetual' licenses for photoshop and premiere, for which I paid a lot in upgrades over the years. Then, after a routine windows update, adobe decided my software needed to be 're-authenticated.' In the meantime, without any notice, they had 'literally' removed the authentication servers for my versions, making this impossible. When I tracked down a service rep, he told me that my "Only Choice" was to subscribe. Meaning: Pay even more to license software which I had already paid for. They stole my software and denied me access to my own projects. I felt like I had been raped. Screw adobe. They can piss on spark plugs for all I care ... I'll never give them another nickel.
This is why I’m glad that I never got Adobe’s products and went with Affinity instead because I knew that people would be switching to that software. I primarily use Procreate but now I want to go back and sharpen my Affinity skills since I have the entire Affinity suite. This channel is definitely gonna help!
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log into your Adobe account online, Adobe account > Account and security > Data and privacy settings - turn off desktop app usage and content analysis. Then open Photoshop Edit > Preferences > Product improvement - untick product improvement participation. This automatically unticks permission for Adobe to use your images and data to train AI. Of course you only have Adobe's word that they won't use your data, but that's the same for any software you use. It's worth making sure they don't have your permission for future legal cases. It only takes one well-known user to have their data used without permission to trigger a class-action lawsuit. The thing I find annoying about these type of things is that these options should be "opt-in" by default, not the other way around. I'm paying for Adobe software. If they want to utilise my data they should ask for permission and offer an incentive or compensation.
My company, more than a decade ago purchased a few copies of adobe CS6 (6 copies, I think) as soon as they came out (2012). It was very expensive but we thought it was going to be fine because we would be upgrading only when we needed to, One station would be upgraded with CS7, CS8 and so on, the other stations would retain the CS6 version. Most of the stations could do the audio cleanup, video enhancement, and other basic jobs while one beefed up station would do the After Effects and high rendering jobs . We were very surprised when we discovered that Adobe was going to move to a subscription based service (By CS6 I think we already knew). We kept the CS6 copies for a long time (6+ years If I'm not mistaken) and upgraded one of the stations to the subscription based service. We never used the Cloud because our work is very confidential. I would be so pissed if my work was being used without my consent, not only that but our clients would blame us and I don't know if they would have a solid base to sue us if they wanted to. What a total a$$ move Adobe.
im very scared of switching to affinity because im so used to adobe but i have no option and affinity seems like the most professional available, i hope they get more tools like auto fill so soon
No need to be scared. They now offer a 6-month free trial (no strings attached!) Check out this video: How To Get ALL Affinity Apps For FREE! | Best Adobe Alternative ruclips.net/video/Ve41UB-1cXc/видео.html! You’re welcome 😊
Canva are a subscription based model. I own the Affinity Suite version 2. At the moment you can buy a perpetual license. It's great software that I'm glad to own. But will that be the case with version 3? I'm skeptical it will be.
Davinci Resolve is a fantastic investment. I bought my copy during the pandemic with their speed editor for only 249€… lately using it for cleaning up audios with their new dialogue isolate… incredible stuff and “Fusion” is able to do a lot of what after effects does…
I began using Photoshop in 1992. As soon as Adobe switched to a subscription model, I dropped Photoshop and switched to Affinity Photo. No regrets and never looked back. And Adobe’s “Creative Cloud”… never wanted it, never asked for it, never used it. Adobe is following in the footsteps of Microsoft and Apple… instead of listening to what people want, they are telling people what they want. I never asked for the thinnest Apple device to be the new iPad Pro. I would have preferred it be the same thickness as before, or thicker, with a longer battery life and running cool. Anyone else want a 20 hour battery life? How about an iPad Pro with a 15” or 16” screen. Dear Apple, give the people what they want. Dear Microsoft: no Surface device will ever be in demand more than an iPad. Or to pay tribute to Microsoft’s “brilliant” hardware of the past, the Surface will become the Zurface. Lol.
To be fair to MS, they have never repeated the Vista 'we know better than you what you ought to want even though we know absolutely zero about what you're using a computer for, and we're going to force you to use our crappy vulgar UI' debacle. We worked out back in the day that you needed to skip 2 OS in every three. 98SE was fine for its time, XP was great (I still have my desktop set up to look like XP as far as possible) 7 was boring but OK. 10 was fine but we did wait for its many teething troubles to be over before upgrading, 11 looks enough like 10 not to be a problem. But boy was vista a pill!
haven't canceled adobe (yet), but bought affinity's suite on sale. i've been using illustrator since version 4 in 1996... designer: really cool app. works almost exactly like illustrator and i like a few things better. I only noticed few drawbacks so far.... 1. guides do not extend beyond the artboard. the 'clip to artboard' setting doesn't affect guides. I build iterations of logos, etc off the artboard, relying on guides to line things up via snap. workaround is to make the 'artboard' very large, then use another for doing things like exporting proofs, or reduce the artboard back to your export size when saving proofs. 2. scale - as in document scale (1:1, 1:12, 1:18, 1/2"=1'-0", 1"=240'-0") - no custom scale option 3. no export to AI format. EPS is the workaround. not ideal but works. none of these are dealbreakers that would cause me not to use the apps. thanks for the video
I think you can do custom document scaling but it’s hidden and not obvious. There are only a few presets and they are almost never applicable, so you have to type in your scale in a tiny box that is like 3 characters wide. Idk why this is so hidden when it’s pretty important
Yep. Paid for the upgrade to v2 by getting the whole package, so I could have fun with Publisher. I mostly use Affinity Designer. Still learning the Photo application for the few instances that I need it. Photoshop never entered the picture when subscriptions began, even though I liked it and still had that free version they put out.
In college and we use adobe it’s paid for us and is required for classes so can’t really leave. I’ll see how things are after I graduate as a BA in Graphic Design
I’m not sure if Canva acquiring Affinity is actually a bad thing. Both companies seem to have a good vision, but time will tell! Also I saw that the stock price of Adobe actually jumped up 15% again (after a 26% drop). Not exactly sure why, do you know?
@@IAMRENSI I think Canva was necessary. Affinity found themselves without enough resources to go forward with meaningful development. I'm hoping Canva can put resources on Affinity to help address a decade of unfixed bugs and hopefully we can start seeing some innovation again.
@@IAMRENSI IF canva goes in the direction Adobe it will be a sad thing and since they aren't a publicly trading company they will focus on building market share. as for Adobe drop and jump, it's basically profit sharing and those in the know reducing or getting out of owning it's stock and the jump is basically people seeing the drop not in the know and the momentum was creating by others thinking someone knows something they don't lol.
@@IAMRENSI huge demand for their generative AI. It may not be of interest for the older creatives, that are a fading market, but it will be everything the next generation will call creativity.
I used to be a graphic designer (and changed my career path), and Adobe had been fucking with graphic designers from day one. Every single designer, every single one, uses Adobe's software but HATE the company. Their subscription based only system they forced approximately 10 years ago or so, was a huge treason towards the people who already had to deal with that shit, and paying thousands of euros to work. And in the same time the improvements between versions were slim. The thing is that 15 to 20 years ago, only professionals and very serious amateurs used Adobe's products. Today way more people are using these editing tools on a daily basis, and the shitstorm is more mainstream, hence more massive. 100% deserved. This company is only buying patents and other companies (Remember Macromedia?) and scam their customer using monopoly. I won't shed a single tear. I bought Affinity Suite day one, because I still create on my free time, and wanted to support a viable alternative (even though freewares improved drastically in that time span). And also to give the middle finger to Adobe. Every single competitor, despite having some missing features here and there, are rapidly improving and updating theit software. Nice. I just hope that Canva buying Affinity is not a death trap.
I instantly left as soon as Affinity came out. Never regretted it since. Affinity is even better in terms of software stability and some features. But the Elefant in the room is of course the pricing and the terms and conditions
I switched to affinity 3 years ago, best decision ever. I never had any issues with Affinity, I am still using the V1, and even when they released V2 which is very tempting, affinity made V1 great that you kinda feel like you don't have to upgrade, I mean there are few new features, but if it still works, why upgrade right?
I'm still using my CS6 but bought full affinity v2 just to support, and for now I'm using it mostly on iPad . But hope u know that Canva bought affinity last month . Serif already make post ensuring that there always be perpetual license option, but we will know for sure when v3 will came out
The problem is not using or getting work done on other software products, there’s a plethora of great products out there. Compatibility of other products to the industry standard, which Adobe is, is the problem, especially considering the notoriously difficult Adobe file types. I don’t actively use Adobe products except for Acrobat Pro, never have, but I still bought CS6 over 10 years ago just to avoid this issue.
@@sirmiluch6856 Well, I'm told it will handle my more recent raw files (sony ARW) and my CS5 didn't, because adobe never allowed it to be updated to. Tight ****ers. But I have a cut down version of CaptureOne for that anyway.
I opted out and I don't store anything on the Adobe cloud platform. Simple. £9.99 p/m for Lr, LrC & Ps that is regularly updated and improved is hardly an issue. I know people that spend that PER DAY on take-out coffee. As for the opt in/out discussion; I remember when (in UK and Europe anyway) you had to explicitly OPT OUT of marketing email etc when signing up for things, now it's the other way around and you have to explicitly opt in. That could well change for things like this, but I don't remember people crying about it.
Any recommendation for Lightroom replacement with similar work flow? I moved to Affinity Photo from Photoshop few years ago, and I’m very satisfied with what it capable of, but I can’t find a nice replacement for Lightroom
The worst part of this whole thing is that it's not the first time this has happened over license nonsense. You would think that they would have learned when this happened to Quark over 20 years ago!
.**Important** Did anyone remember to remind the respective company ( Affinity ) who keep in silent the that issue we face since the last update about No Thumbnail in MAC still not fixed, telling us the new OS has changed and when we asked what are your engineers doing during the Beta OS they did not answer back, .....And the right to left writing support that we are requesting since V1 not yet available even worth the support team replying that it is not even in Plan ( Half of the world write in right to left ) are you going to do something about all these issues that we are facing?.
Im not totally abandoning adobe , but I definitely bought & going to use more affinity until the day i can live without adobe completely. 😅 time to transition.
I’m not a prophet but I have always kept my personal and work files on my local drive. I always knew that these cloud services would start stealing customers intellectual property and one reason is to train AI.
I just came back to Adobe after switching to Affinity. Sorry, Affinity Photo 2 is a mess to work with and super limited compared to photoshop. I struggle to find features I need are either in Designer or Photo but never the 2 features I need in the same software. The file types are also obnoxious and not universally accepted for commercial work. At the end of the day, I have work to do and I don’t have time to fight with unintuitive and limited software.
That's too bad. As a professional designer, I find there are a _very_ small number of things I miss from Adobe. What I don't miss, at all, is the *_paying-rent-every-month-forever_* for the "right" to open and edit my own files. I did use CS6, part time, until v2 came out. Then I dumped Adobe 100%. I go back with them to 1988, so it _was_ bittersweet--but only sweet now. I only miss them from a sense of nostalgia. FWIW, it took about 3 months to adjust.
Adobe's file types were in the same boat for years before they became the de facto standard. For what it's worth, I've shipped around my work as psd or any other product-specific format. PSD files become massive way too fast, cutting way down on their mobility.
My trial so far of Publisher suggests it will be faster and much better than CS5 ID. I like the way it works. Continually shuffling between PS and ID is a pain in the posterior, as is destructive adjustments, and not being able to see the effect on the page until it was saved. For illustrated books, affinity is a winner for me, but maybe my needs are much simpler than yours.
I left Adobe when Creative Cloud came out because it was slowing down my computer and a few years later I moved over to Affinity and still use it today!
I bought the 3 softs for 89 euros for all platforms today, then I spent 1 hour trying to delete Creative Cloud, I had to download an uninstaller, I've never seen this in my life, Adobe acts like a virus in my computer, I would try to delete it and it wouldn't allow me
I hope Affinity puts some work into their suite though. Why do I need to rasterize a pasted image layer before I can do anything? Selection tools much easier to use in Adobe too. But I am going to try to make Affinity work because I'm so sick of Adobe's BS and price gouging
I *tried* to switch from Adobe to Affinity, but I simply can’t because right-to-left typography is critical to my job. Affinity does not support it and has not responded positively to users asking for it on their official forums. 😞
I've been using Affinity products since V1 after ditching Adobe years ago. They're lightening fast on both Mac and PC. Sure they have their quirks but they'll do pretty much all I need in terms of photo, drawing and layout. Not once have I felt like I was missing anything by leaving Adobe.
I doubt this will make a big dent. Maybe in the short run, but long term, Adobe will come out ahead. They’ll lose some disgruntled customers now, but many will come back. It’ll use customer data to improve their generative AI, giving them a huge competitive advantage. Affinity won’t be able to provide the kind of tools Adobe will have. Any pro who won’t use these tools will have a disadvantage compared to his peers who do. Adobe‘s grip on the market will only increase. Cynical for sure, but that’s how the world works. And I say that as someone who has cut the Adobe cord ever since they moved to the subscription model. But then I’m not a pro, I’m a hobbyist. I can absolutely live with using Pixelmator Pro and Sketch instead of Photoshop and Illustrator. A pro cannot easily do that however as it’s his livelihood that’s at stake, not a bunch of private projects.
If you say it's overpriced then you must know of a product that does what Adobe software does at a fraction of the cost. It's definitely not anything made by Affinity.
@@KuttyJoe That's not the point, the point is whether affinity does what the specific artist needs. For you it may not. For me it seems to so far. So for the likes of me, adobe is overpriced because it does all sorts of things I don't need, want, or, in the case of putting my work the cloud and the copyright problems with AI, don't even approve of. Adobe may be great for you. Good. For me, it's just paying through the nose for stuff other people want but I don't.
@@alisonwilson9749 "That's not the point, the point is whether affinity does what the specific artist needs." Look at the title of this video. Notice that it mentions people leaving Photoshop. If you need Photoshop, then you need Photoshop. If you don't need Photoshop, then why were you using it? Not you specifically, but all of the people who are supposedly suddenly leaving Adobe. Why were they paying for expensive tools that they admittedly did not need? It's not like going from a Ford pickup truck to competing Chevy pickup truck. It's like going from a big truck to a small sedan. "So for the likes of me, adobe is overpriced because it does all sorts of things I don't need" That doesn't make it overpriced for you, it means that it's a product that YOU don't need. You can only say it's overpriced if you actually needed it and the cost didn't make sense. It's like me looking up in the sky and saying, awe man, that private jet flying over is so overpriced for me. It's got all those buttons in it that I don't need. Plus the Lear company has terrible policies. LOL
Been looking for a comparable service for a few months now. I moved away from PP and now use Davinci, so hearing this is good news for me. Going to give the free trial a go today!
Everybody!!!! This is the type of statement that shows that online providers are just interested in click-bait and not facts. If everybody is leaving why are there more Adobe users than Afinity users. Silly!!
No Lightroom/Camera Raw is a deal-breaker. No tethering. There's a lot missing, not viable for Photography if you don't want to get an additional and expensive C1 licence.
For freelance creators this is cool. Make a switch for sure. But for Creative agency the sad reality is that making a switch is near impossible. In an agency you oftern work with files that clients send you, you are also expected to send opel files to clients sometimes. The big problem here is that ai files don't work greate with affinity designer, same goes for other apps. There are workarounds but clients dont have time and will to optimise their files so the agency can work with them. Huge loss in time will mean that clients will move on to other Agency that uses adobe products. 😕
Nobody has run away from Adobe. Employers the industry dictate and require adobe knowledge for creative professionals. Granted their specifics and broadcast and other areas of video and film, editing, audio, etc. etc. work other software is introduced but as you should know adobe like you know typing. Affinity software is great however and you’re free to use whatever you like. But don’t go against what helped you in your career for crying out loud. Anyways, that whole anti-Adobe thing has now become last weeks news
Affinity no longer exists. Serif has sold this product. Canva will close the Affinity or drag it to online Canva and the Affinity functionality will be transferred to Canva with the subscription. Affinity is already a dead project. Serif died.
@@realJohnJohn What have Corel and Adobe done with the brands they've bought? Held them for a year or two, then shut them down, moving patents to their own "original" software. We could list endless examples of good graphic programs killed by these two companies. It's the same story in other software fields. Do you honestly think Canva bought Serif so Affinity could thrive as Affinity? How many families apart from your own do you support out of the goodness of your heart? Such behaviour is a UTOPIA!!! Affinity is a niche brand for enthusiasts, amateurs, maybe advanced amateurs (definitely not for pros!). Affinity has a few million users, probably 25% are Brits who bought it out of nostalgia for the well-known UK company Serif. Canva has way many many more users making a living from their products. Why do you think Canva bought Serif? So I can keep my Affinity for home use, better, faster, with everything Serif developed over the past 30 years? I don’t believe Affinity will survive. Canva will monetise the acquired patents, methods, functionalities. Everything you’ve seen in Serif software over the past 30 years won’t end up in Affinity, it’ll be in Canva. Affinity is dead! And I really, really hope I’m wrong. I’m a huge Serif fan, bought my first PagePlus back on Windows 3.1. I know (knew, because now it’s past tense and doesn’t exist, it’s Canva now) that company well, I know their engineers (spent hours on the phone with them), got to know their sales team (I have ALL the Serif programs, some with multiple licences), watched Serif for years. Times have changed, the market reacts differently, Serif couldn’t survive on their mission driven by software engineering passion. For the brand owners, selling Serif was the only good decision to keep their money. Canva isn’t Unilever, which keeps brands alive. Graphic software, DTP, isn’t the same as supermarket shelves. EDIT There's one sign that Canva might want to keep the Affinity brand alive. Canva wants to return to a good Serif tradition, something Serif abandoned a few years back. Canva plans to give free licences to schools, getting young people accustomed to the brand. This is the only thing right now that suggests Affinity might survive a few more years. Slim hopes, though, as they might backtrack just like Serif did. It's one thing to dominate the education system in your own country (like Serif in the UK, where Brits support their own), and quite another to have ambitions across the entire globe, in all the languages of the civilised world, with different political, legal, religious, social, and general value systems. In my opinion, Canva's declaration was made for show, so they don't lose potential UK licence buyers (Serif was only in UK schools, and a huge number of people here remember that).
@@frankenstein2735 Who are you to pay attention to me and tell me where I can tell what and to whom. Calm down, child. Also, you're confusing me with someone else. I've never been a printing machine operator.
Left Adobe and used the 50% off rebate. Having an absolute blast discovering that I'm missing almost nothing from the Adobe Suite considering I paid 80 bucks for the equivalent of Photoshop, Indesign and Illustrator without any subscription model as of yet.
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"EVERYBODY" does not leave Adobe, though they should and Affinity is NOT the only alternative !!! This video is just an ad.
Yep just left yesterday, also Affinity is 50% right now ...not sponsored.
Welcome to the Affinity side of life! The 50% off is an absolute steal. Btw, this whole video was (unfortunately) also not sponsored.. ;)
Affinity bundle and DaVinci Resolve.... I don't need Adobe anymore and I am happier
Yep I heard of them recently and decided to take a chance. Purchased the whole suite 2 days ago, it’s pretty good!
+ even 25% off on top of that if you got a V1 Version
I would’ve paid full price for Affinity. F’off Adobe as their forced cloud service is for spying that WE (used to) pay for.
Cancelled Adobe yesterday. bought Affinity on sale. Peace.
Good for you.
US sues Adobe for ‘deceiving’ subscriptions that are too hard to cancel / The Justice Department alleges that Adobe hid early cancellation fees and trapped consumers in pricey subscriptions.
Did the same last. I am surprised how easy and powerful Affinity Suite is. It feels modern. It's great tor 99% use cases
@@moajrtoons You seem sad are you trapped in a contract with adobe.
@@deleted3792 oh no, I not subscribe to Adobe CC. I never used their CC service. I’m just glad to hear more people are leaving Adobe. But no not stuck with them at all. I hope this sends a clear message to Adobe.
Started with Illustrator 88 in 1990. Finally got so disgusted with the money grubbing by Adobe I fled to Affinity in 2020.
Yay for us old guys. ;-) Had _everything_ up until CS6. Limped along with that _until_ Affinity. As of v2, I'm 100% Affinity, 0% Adobe. And very happy.
I left Adobe (after about 20years) the day before yesterday. Because my privacy matters
And yet you let google or apple know exactly where you are 24/7, let them know what you spend your money on, let them view all your photos and what you watch on youtube lol.
@@Michael_Lak they're not sublicensing it tho
True, and I don't pay for it. I refuse to pay to give up my privacy. At least, yeah I bought a phone. But I didn't buy a subscription like: yeah I like to give up my privacy every month hooray.
And nowadays I see no way to 'live' without a phone (because in the Netherlands everything from the govermont works through apps installed). But if I could, I would. And for RUclips... yes I can ditch it. But because I'm not paying for it, I keep it for a while now. For adobe I just thought: am I gonna ditch it... Hell yeah.
Just don't pay for it.
@@bobob9969 No, they are outright selling it, openly.
When CS6 was getting old, I started looking for alternatives. Subscription was never an option because I want to own my software. I switched to Affinity in 2017 and never had any regrets.
You don’t own software. You license it. It could be perpetual or subscription, but it’s always licensed. The only one who owns the software is the developer.
@@skellenerSo? You don't have to spend ongoing fees and don't have to buy again. You can use it for a lifetime.
And if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft.
Same here
@@atoaster2070 It takes power to make that statement true.
Affinity just changed my life. Now enjoying Affinity Photo and Publisher on iPad ❤😊
It's a shame Adobe just became greedier.
I've been using Affinity for 5+ years and it does the job in 99% of the cases and becomes better all the time. Very very worth while.
Do you use it extensively? Does it crash on you occasionally? What are you using , Mac or PC?
@@mikhail4486I am in no way a power user but it has been very stable for me on Windows 11.
@@mikhail4486 I have been using it for any/all needs as a hobby photographer and boardgame designer, and also for work related tasks (education), on both Win10 and on Mac M1 and M3. I have had very few, if any, crashes. If anything i'd say it is stable. The main ones I've been using are Photo + Publisher.
I've used it for years and never have crash issues.. not even once@@mikhail4486
Pay to own software for each major version is the way to do it. I happily pay again for 3.
The only issue there is the delay in feature sets they set aside for the big version update. Instead of letting us use them while they work on it.
Minor updates are mostly bug fixes until then. But then that actually has a good side since you know the updates are actually fixing bugs and not adding more features that can cause even more bugs. By the end you have a very stable product.
I thank Adobe for many years of excellent products, experiences and how this translated into so much work that helped so many satisfied customers and helped many of them succeed.
Like everything, "it's the cycle of life" and I think that Adobe has crossed the line and, with that, I hope not, but for me it has closed its cycle and I'm unlikely to go back!
Stop using adobe when they change to subscription after cs6, not because the a.i or uela, but I think the subscription fee is just too high and I don’t like force my student to learn a suite that will suck their money in their future.
Good teacher
Same here, I planned on waiting for a CS7 to update my CS5.5, and boom subscription model.
Already disgusted by their practices, and stiff, unchanging software, I said fuck off.
Used freewares in between, even changed career. But never a single cent more given to Adobe.
I have campaigned for Affinity for a few years now, while i was a visual design student i hated how my lecturers kept saying affinity was an inferior product and "Adobe is the industry standard!" like that meant something, having a monopoly makes you the de-facto product only because others weren't in the position to move you down a peg. The irony of the lecturers championing the company that was intentionally trying to replace the people they were teaching to become artists with AI generated art is laughable now. How Adobe were able to worm into colleges? With their suite suckering students with discounts for the duration of college and them ripping them off forced to subscribe annually after to use the product once they turned professional as all the major design companies were also slaves to the corporation that turns out secretly wants to destroy it. [Like a Sith Lord running in the Senate :) ]
How the tables are turning with Affinity offering their suite to deserving schools for free will hopefully be the nail in the coffin for Adobe's greedy monopoly and the end of the undeserving biased "industry standard" label. The only reason they got this far is because they bought out the competition and took their ideas.
And Affinity could, hopefully won’t, just be getting their foot in the door to do the same thing. Adobe used to offer things to students and teachers for free or at a tiny fraction of the price. That and the massive powerhouse Photoshop used to be was how they got their foot in the door.
Great observation.
@@LisaMarieFord that is true, all eyes are on Canva and Affinity to stick to their promises of offering a one time payment even if they do add subscriptions, People will be quick to cast doubt the don't fulfill their end of the bargain as in the past they were slow to introduce the features that were lacking and now with increased recognition and a larger amount of resources they need up up their game and show they are worth investing in, otherwise Adobe will go on damage control and patch their mistake and keep monopoly of the services.
At the current rate, it's going to take another 300 years for the tables to turn enough for Affinity to be good enough to replace Adobe. Anything other than that is just wishful thinking. In some cases Adobe bought out the competition, but what's stopping new competition from being born? For sure Serif is not competition. Serif has been around for as long as Adobe. They have never made a product to compete with Adobe. They make products for people who don't need Adobe and that's fine. It's unfortunate that they're inspired people to all of this wishful thinking that Affinity can replace Adobe. Realistically, if you can just switch from Adobe to Infinity then you should have been done looong ago. Why have people been spending all of this money on Adobe until now if they could so easily switch? It's not realistic.
Whether Adobe is "industry standard" or not makes no difference. They've got the tools that people need and there's barely anything that could be called competition. People who need Adobe aren't going anywhere. Wouldn't it be great if there was real competition.
@@LisaMarieFord That was always their plan. Their a business exactly like every other business. The goal is to maximize profits.
Happy long term Affinity Photo user. However, with the Canva acquisition, I just hope version 3 isn't a subscription.
Truth.
If Affinity goes subscription I'm out.
I buy product, not rent.
I’d guess it is in their future. They’ve left this open ended by saying they’ll have “affordable pricing” which is subjective. So many companies do that. Of course for some by time you pay the full price it’s just as much as a subscription.
@@LisaMarieFord $170 for the full suite, $90 at the current sale.
Less than 1 year of Adobe's $20/month Photoshop only subscription. And that's owning the software, not renting it.
@@HitfilmUniversity Yes, that’s close to current pricing. Like I said they’ve left it open for changes down the road. That’s not what I pay for Photoshop at locked in prices though.
Owning the software… as long as you have the equipment and whatnot necessary to run that particular version. If you upgrade your hardware, software, operating system, etc it could have issues or no longer work. That’s what happened to the versions of Photoshop I “owned” a copy of. Old computer keeled over. New computer couldn’t work with it at all. Then you have to buy the new version of the software. Par for the course. And it’s owning a copy for now.
So, like my point IF they stay at our idea of affordable that’s good. IF they raise prices; which they will definitely do being in business in the future prices will be different. Especially with supply and demand once they get the customer base they’re lured away from Adobe. However, it does sound like they’re already contemplated subscriptions.
@@HitfilmUniversity 25 years, still haven't paid for an adobe product, use multiple a day.
I left Adobe back in 2015 and received the greatest letter from them in the mail with a sad emoji begging me to come back with a 65% off offer for a creative cloud subscription. I've been using Affinity software since then and haven't looked back.
This is a great opportunity for Affinity to release a Lightroom competitor.
I doubt that'll happen soon. Until then, I find Darktable to be better for me anyways.
Left 3 days ago. Affinity is great for my needs
So you paid out your year contract did you?
@@Michael_Lak no I was on a low tier so I didn’t need to
@@Michael_LakHave you got shares at Adobe or something? Jesus, you are all over this videos comments sections laughing at people for doing so…
Purchased the suite a few days ago. Been using adobe since 2014. I'm a 3D artist so I spend alot of money on software. I learned the entire suite in 4 days and it's worth every penny. ( got it on the 50% discount)
Easy enough transition or four full days of hard core learning?
@@LisaMarieFord learned Adobe Suite in college, and have been using Affinity for the past five years. The UI and key commands are virtually identical. It's a really smooth transition.
@@LisaMarieFordit is extremely similar. Some small differences, but give it a week and you’ll be used to it
@@LisaMarieFord I sorted out Publisher in a few hours for all the (admittedly basic) things I do (I only do illustrated book layouts and basic graphics) . It's better and faster than ID by miles when you're adjusting images in a document - and you don't have to do anything destructive at all if you use links, as I do.
Affinity is awesome. Penpot for UI/UX is opensource and also realy cool.
interesting. any views on penpot vs figma?
I made the switch last week. There are some tools that maybe I'll miss from InDesign but for anybody who's not an Adobe power user (as in needing the entire suite) Affinity seems like an interesting choice (and I'd expect it to get better after so many people flocking to it right now).
Cheap.
One time payment.
Doesn't leave a plethora of processes still running even after closing the software.
Yes, Publisher is probably the further from its Adobe competitor. Great piece of software, better than InDesign in many consideration, but cruelly lacking in workhouse features and digital publishing.
If you need Illustrator then you can't just switch to a program that has less than half the functionality. I've only ever really needed Photoshop and Illustrator but there's no possibility of me switching to Affinity software. I've have Serif software since the early 2000's so I know all of what it does and I always used it alongside Adobe for a few interesting things. But there was never any possibility of it replacing Adobe. That is still true today. No possibility. Anybody who is switching simply did not need Adobe tools. If they needed Adobe then they're still using Adobe unless they just decide to stop working.
@@KuttyJoe So far I haven't encountered any obstacles with Photo or Designer. I had to figure out how the software works in contrast to the Adobe Suite but other than that I can work with it just fine. Although maybe with time I'll find things missing, time will tell.
@@KuttyJoe Designe ris almost par on par with Illustrator, even for the most advanced functionalities. The blob brush is not there, which is a shame. And the autotracer, for those who use it. Maybe you tried Designer 1. The second version added a lot.
@@victims5820 With time, you're more likely to find new functions that you cannot live without. The liquify layer is just pure magic.
So I’m paying money to lose rights to my work 😂😂😂😂
Mind boggling, right?
I totally agree with all that you have said, HOWEVER in all transparency I think you should speak about the fact that CANVA recently purchased Affinity and we (I) don't know yet how or if this will negatively affect Affinity.
Yep, and we know Canva doesn't want anything to do with image AI. Not.
@@the-birdman-of-panama GRRRRRRRRRRRR
I bought Affinity Photo V2 about a week ago after years of contemplation, best $35 I've spent on software
A blog post means nothing. They can just change their mind and delete the post down the line. People (are forced to) agree to the ToS. Those don't come with these "clarifications". As long as the ToS are the way they are, they can just do whatever with your stuff.
I sincerely hope that Affinity Photo version 3 should have a database similar to that of Adobe Lightroom so as to replace both Ligthroom + Photoshop.
Adobe: Buggy, slow and bloated. Even removing CC and all the apps takes forever!
I switched to Affinity for a while now, this TOS drama is temporary, the adobe users will go back when the dust settles
Never left, but I also never PAY for adobe.
People just like a feel good story. Anybody who could easily leave Adobe would have already done it to save money. Anybody who is actually able to leave just like that should never have been paying a lot of money unnecessarily in the first place. They should be angry at themselves along with being angry at Adobe.
Thats why they keep doing it. Because the users are just stupid and forgiving like that. Nothing more than experimental apes that dont know critical thinking or a better term would be brainwashed consumerism. Just like the Apple community xD
They are that stupid.
@@covrtdesign5279 Arrgh!
Picked up an Affinity License and now in the process of dropping Adobe. Adobe requires you to give them a license then they let you “opt-out” after you’ve accepted the terms and conditions. Adobe didn’t give us an option to decline the terms and conditions without losing access to our files. Adobe should go on an apology tour instead of the gas light tour they are on.
If you downgrade to a lower/the lowest plan before you cancel, word is they don't charge a cancellation fee...
I left adobe when they went subscription model, so glad I did.
you will leave affinity soon subscription will come soon ( sorry there is nothing else )
I've never subscribed to Adobe, but bought the software years ago. When they went to their subscription model I was left with free software options. When Affinity came along I climbed on board right at the beginning. I was looking for what Affinity produced and have never looked back since.
Thanks very much for enlightening the creative community.
Regards to you.
Affinity is a powerful Ps alternative. Since my switch in 2019 from a cracked version, I also never looked back. I am happy I can help. Btw, if you want to connect with other Affinity Creatives - I've just launched a Skool community which you can join for free: www.skool.com/affinity-photo-creatives-6824/about
what we need from affinity is an alternative for Lightroom
I like to use ACDsee. I already sort my photos into folders, so I don't have to rely on software and ACDsee kind of enhances that idea. But, if Affinity made something, that'd be nice also.
Used Adobe from 1996 until 2017, when I bought Affinity Photo v1. Never looked back. Bought Designer a couple of days later, and preordered Publisher when it was announced. It's the best editing software out there, especially for the money.
Imagine working check to check, then having to pay a huge subscription to work. F... Adobe
I left Adobe too. I was on the full cloud suite, I downgraded, then cancelled the 30 day trial. It gets around the, "You owe us £xxx to cancel your subscription."
Yes! Too bad everyone doesn't know this.
Good to know! Thank you!!!!
need to know how to do this
@@LV4EVR if people read the T&Cs and took time to understand what they were signing up to, then they WOULD know this. Interestingly, this privacy issue came about because someone read the T&Cs, yet all these folks who don't understand that you sign up to pay monthly for a YEAR clearly haven't read them. But, how do they know about the other things people are crying about? Because they blindly follow and listen to others without taking the time to understand it themselves.
I love using Affinity, but I use Vectorstyler for vector work because it's far more advanced than Designer. using them together certainly covers all the illustrator needs
No chance of that. Well, the two of them don't cover all of what Illustrator does.
I remember using Inkscape years ago and was great, didn’t feel like missing many tools… I should give it a try again.
Your comment got me curious about the latter software you mentioned
I left Adobe, almost 8 years ago. I am so glad that I did that!
There will sadly be still millions that will not be aware of this and continue to use Adobe. I left Adobe when they claimed that "there will always be a standalone version of lightroom" and then kicked us in the nuts. I mean I can not even edit the pictures I used to edit in lightroom, when I had the software legit.
Ditto. I switched to Affinity Photo and Davinci Resolve a couple of years ago. Why? Because adobe screwed me. I had 'perpetual' licenses for photoshop and premiere, for which I paid a lot in upgrades over the years. Then, after a routine windows update, adobe decided my software needed to be 're-authenticated.' In the meantime, without any notice, they had 'literally' removed the authentication servers for my versions, making this impossible. When I tracked down a service rep, he told me that my "Only Choice" was to subscribe. Meaning: Pay even more to license software which I had already paid for. They stole my software and denied me access to my own projects. I felt like I had been raped. Screw adobe. They can piss on spark plugs for all I care ... I'll never give them another nickel.
As long as alternatives arent worth the switch for me i aint leaving Adobe, easy as that.
@@RUclipsBorkedMyOldHandle_whyLouis rossmann is that you?
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ngl, i just swapped from Adobe to Resolve/Capcut and Affinity + Blender. I also swapped from Windows to Mac. BEST DECISION I EVER MADE
DaVinci good
You guys pay for Adobe?
patched and denied internet access😂😂😂
Noobs😂
Nope 🤣
Imagine paying 😂
fr 😭 yall ngas don’t know bout pirating adobe products, it’s morally correct
log into your Adobe account online, Adobe account > Account and security > Data and privacy settings - turn off desktop app usage and content analysis. Then open Photoshop Edit > Preferences > Product improvement - untick product improvement participation. This automatically unticks permission for Adobe to use your images and data to train AI. Of course you only have Adobe's word that they won't use your data, but that's the same for any software you use. It's worth making sure they don't have your permission for future legal cases. It only takes one well-known user to have their data used without permission to trigger a class-action lawsuit. The thing I find annoying about these type of things is that these options should be "opt-in" by default, not the other way around. I'm paying for Adobe software. If they want to utilise my data they should ask for permission and offer an incentive or compensation.
-Log into your Adobe online
-Cancel
The end
@@Akahigep another delusional person. There's no alternative for photoshop. Sorry.
I use adobe software programs and I put their website as a favourite in my hosts file and it's great
"...as a favorite in my hosts file..." what for? seems a bit silly. except if you 127.0.0.1 it :D
you mean a captain sparrow version
My company, more than a decade ago purchased a few copies of adobe CS6 (6 copies, I think) as soon as they came out (2012). It was very expensive but we thought it was going to be fine because we would be upgrading only when we needed to, One station would be upgraded with CS7, CS8 and so on, the other stations would retain the CS6 version. Most of the stations could do the audio cleanup, video enhancement, and other basic jobs while one beefed up station would do the After Effects and high rendering jobs . We were very surprised when we discovered that Adobe was going to move to a subscription based service (By CS6 I think we already knew). We kept the CS6 copies for a long time (6+ years If I'm not mistaken) and upgraded one of the stations to the subscription based service. We never used the Cloud because our work is very confidential. I would be so pissed if my work was being used without my consent, not only that but our clients would blame us and I don't know if they would have a solid base to sue us if they wanted to. What a total a$$ move Adobe.
im very scared of switching to affinity because im so used to adobe but i have no option and affinity seems like the most professional available, i hope they get more tools like auto fill so soon
No need to be scared. They now offer a 6-month free trial (no strings attached!) Check out this video: How To Get ALL Affinity Apps For FREE! | Best Adobe Alternative ruclips.net/video/Ve41UB-1cXc/видео.html! You’re welcome 😊
You know Canva acquired the Affinity suite of software right?
Yes, why so?
Canva are a subscription based model. I own the Affinity Suite version 2. At the moment you can buy a perpetual license. It's great software that I'm glad to own.
But will that be the case with version 3? I'm skeptical it will be.
Got affinity designer and photo on top of downloading the free version of DaVinci resolve. Plan to buy the full version down the line
Same here!
Davinci Resolve is a fantastic investment. I bought my copy during the pandemic with their speed editor for only 249€… lately using it for cleaning up audios with their new dialogue isolate… incredible stuff and “Fusion” is able to do a lot of what after effects does…
Was on a student trial of Adobe suite. Decided not to continue with it in future. Looking forward to using your channel to learn Affinity Photo.
Great decision. Welcome to the channel! 👊🏼
I began using Photoshop in 1992. As soon as Adobe switched to a subscription model, I dropped Photoshop and switched to Affinity Photo. No regrets and never looked back.
And Adobe’s “Creative Cloud”… never wanted it, never asked for it, never used it.
Adobe is following in the footsteps of Microsoft and Apple… instead of listening to what people want, they are telling people what they want. I never asked for the thinnest Apple device to be the new iPad Pro. I would have preferred it be the same thickness as before, or thicker, with a longer battery life and running cool. Anyone else want a 20 hour battery life? How about an iPad Pro with a 15” or 16” screen. Dear Apple, give the people what they want. Dear Microsoft: no Surface device will ever be in demand more than an iPad. Or to pay tribute to Microsoft’s “brilliant” hardware of the past, the Surface will become the Zurface. Lol.
To be fair to MS, they have never repeated the Vista 'we know better than you what you ought to want even though we know absolutely zero about what you're using a computer for, and we're going to force you to use our crappy vulgar UI' debacle. We worked out back in the day that you needed to skip 2 OS in every three. 98SE was fine for its time, XP was great (I still have my desktop set up to look like XP as far as possible) 7 was boring but OK. 10 was fine but we did wait for its many teething troubles to be over before upgrading, 11 looks enough like 10 not to be a problem. But boy was vista a pill!
haven't canceled adobe (yet), but bought affinity's suite on sale. i've been using illustrator since version 4 in 1996...
designer: really cool app. works almost exactly like illustrator and i like a few things better. I only noticed few drawbacks so far....
1. guides do not extend beyond the artboard. the 'clip to artboard' setting doesn't affect guides.
I build iterations of logos, etc off the artboard, relying on guides to line things up via snap. workaround is to make the 'artboard' very large, then use another for doing things like exporting proofs, or reduce the artboard back to your export size when saving proofs.
2. scale - as in document scale (1:1, 1:12, 1:18, 1/2"=1'-0", 1"=240'-0") - no custom scale option
3. no export to AI format. EPS is the workaround. not ideal but works.
none of these are dealbreakers that would cause me not to use the apps.
thanks for the video
I think you can do custom document scaling but it’s hidden and not obvious. There are only a few presets and they are almost never applicable, so you have to type in your scale in a tiny box that is like 3 characters wide. Idk why this is so hidden when it’s pretty important
Yep. Paid for the upgrade to v2 by getting the whole package, so I could have fun with Publisher. I mostly use Affinity Designer. Still learning the Photo application for the few instances that I need it. Photoshop never entered the picture when subscriptions began, even though I liked it and still had that free version they put out.
In college and we use adobe it’s paid for us and is required for classes so can’t really leave. I’ll see how things are after I graduate as a BA in Graphic Design
lol I noticed you avoided the Canva comment.
I'm guessing this is effecting Adobe's stock price too
I’m not sure if Canva acquiring Affinity is actually a bad thing. Both companies seem to have a good vision, but time will tell! Also I saw that the stock price of Adobe actually jumped up 15% again (after a 26% drop). Not exactly sure why, do you know?
@@IAMRENSI I think Canva was necessary. Affinity found themselves without enough resources to go forward with meaningful development.
I'm hoping Canva can put resources on Affinity to help address a decade of unfixed bugs and hopefully we can start seeing some innovation again.
@@IAMRENSI IF canva goes in the direction Adobe it will be a sad thing and since they aren't a publicly trading company they will focus on building market share.
as for Adobe drop and jump, it's basically profit sharing and those in the know reducing or getting out of owning it's stock and the jump is basically people seeing the drop not in the know and the momentum was creating by others thinking someone knows something they don't lol.
@@IAMRENSIThe Adobe stock jumped after the last earnings report, but that is a _lagging_ indicator. The _next_ earnings report could be an eye opener!
@@IAMRENSI huge demand for their generative AI. It may not be of interest for the older creatives, that are a fading market, but it will be everything the next generation will call creativity.
I used to be a graphic designer (and changed my career path), and Adobe had been fucking with graphic designers from day one.
Every single designer, every single one, uses Adobe's software but HATE the company.
Their subscription based only system they forced approximately 10 years ago or so, was a huge treason towards the people who already had to deal with that shit, and paying thousands of euros to work. And in the same time the improvements between versions were slim.
The thing is that 15 to 20 years ago, only professionals and very serious amateurs used Adobe's products.
Today way more people are using these editing tools on a daily basis, and the shitstorm is more mainstream, hence more massive. 100% deserved. This company is only buying patents and other companies (Remember Macromedia?) and scam their customer using monopoly. I won't shed a single tear.
I bought Affinity Suite day one, because I still create on my free time, and wanted to support a viable alternative (even though freewares improved drastically in that time span). And also to give the middle finger to Adobe.
Every single competitor, despite having some missing features here and there, are rapidly improving and updating theit software. Nice.
I just hope that Canva buying Affinity is not a death trap.
I instantly left as soon as Affinity came out. Never regretted it since. Affinity is even better in terms of software stability and some features.
But the Elefant in the room is of course the pricing and the terms and conditions
I switched to affinity 3 years ago, best decision ever. I never had any issues with Affinity, I am still using the V1, and even when they released V2 which is very tempting, affinity made V1 great that you kinda feel like you don't have to upgrade, I mean there are few new features, but if it still works, why upgrade right?
a year I've switched to affinity, I love it!! (and psd's still work)
I'm still using my CS6 but bought full affinity v2 just to support, and for now I'm using it mostly on iPad . But hope u know that Canva bought affinity last month . Serif already make post ensuring that there always be perpetual license option, but we will know for sure when v3 will came out
This reminds me of when everyone switched to Davinci Resolved
Never looked back, Davinci is awesome 🔥
Canceled Lightroom last year. Rocking Photomator! Amazing tool for photographers
Affinity Rules !
The problem is not using or getting work done on other software products, there’s a plethora of great products out there. Compatibility of other products to the industry standard, which Adobe is, is the problem, especially considering the notoriously difficult Adobe file types.
I don’t actively use Adobe products except for Acrobat Pro, never have, but I still bought CS6 over 10 years ago just to avoid this issue.
Unfortunately, I do not see support for RW2 files. I shoot with the Lumix s5iix and raw files are not properly processed whatsoever :/
General RAW handling in affinity is a joke.
@@sirmiluch6856 Well, I'm told it will handle my more recent raw files (sony ARW) and my CS5 didn't, because adobe never allowed it to be updated to. Tight ****ers. But I have a cut down version of CaptureOne for that anyway.
I opted out and I don't store anything on the Adobe cloud platform. Simple.
£9.99 p/m for Lr, LrC & Ps that is regularly updated and improved is hardly an issue. I know people that spend that PER DAY on take-out coffee.
As for the opt in/out discussion; I remember when (in UK and Europe anyway) you had to explicitly OPT OUT of marketing email etc when signing up for things, now it's the other way around and you have to explicitly opt in. That could well change for things like this, but I don't remember people crying about it.
Any recommendation for Lightroom replacement with similar work flow? I moved to Affinity Photo from Photoshop few years ago, and I’m very satisfied with what it capable of, but I can’t find a nice replacement for Lightroom
Have you tried DXO Photolab? Its a very good and easy to use piece of software.
Luminar Neo is what I use now, and I can own it instead of sub as well.
Darktable
@@oo0Spyder0oo And is it making a great job and nice workflow as Lightroom?
ON1, darktable, rawtherapee
You say everybody...i checked listings for multiple design jobs and 9 out of 10 has Adobe stuff as a requirement, unfortunately.
And Adobe knows that :)
The worst part of this whole thing is that it's not the first time this has happened over license nonsense. You would think that they would have learned when this happened to Quark over 20 years ago!
cancled adobe today, i bought the affinity suite around the time this video came out. decided to fully go in and leave adobe
They currently have a 6mo free trial as of now.
.**Important** Did anyone remember to remind the respective company ( Affinity ) who keep in silent the that issue we face since the last update about No Thumbnail in MAC still not fixed, telling us the new OS has changed and when we asked what are your engineers doing during the Beta OS they did not answer back, .....And the right to left writing support that we are requesting since V1 not yet available even worth the support team replying that it is not even in Plan ( Half of the world write in right to left ) are you going to do something about all these issues that we are facing?.
Im not totally abandoning adobe , but I definitely bought & going to use more affinity until the day i can live without adobe completely. 😅 time to transition.
The day will come :)
I’m not a prophet but I have always kept my personal and work files on my local drive. I always knew that these cloud services would start stealing customers intellectual property and one reason is to train AI.
I just came back to Adobe after switching to Affinity. Sorry, Affinity Photo 2 is a mess to work with and super limited compared to photoshop. I struggle to find features I need are either in Designer or Photo but never the 2 features I need in the same software. The file types are also obnoxious and not universally accepted for commercial work. At the end of the day, I have work to do and I don’t have time to fight with unintuitive and limited software.
That's too bad. As a professional designer, I find there are a _very_ small number of things I miss from Adobe. What I don't miss, at all, is the *_paying-rent-every-month-forever_* for the "right" to open and edit my own files. I did use CS6, part time, until v2 came out. Then I dumped Adobe 100%. I go back with them to 1988, so it _was_ bittersweet--but only sweet now. I only miss them from a sense of nostalgia. FWIW, it took about 3 months to adjust.
Adobe's file types were in the same boat for years before they became the de facto standard. For what it's worth, I've shipped around my work as psd or any other product-specific format. PSD files become massive way too fast, cutting way down on their mobility.
My trial so far of Publisher suggests it will be faster and much better than CS5 ID. I like the way it works. Continually shuffling between PS and ID is a pain in the posterior, as is destructive adjustments, and not being able to see the effect on the page until it was saved. For illustrated books, affinity is a winner for me, but maybe my needs are much simpler than yours.
I left Adobe when Creative Cloud came out because it was slowing down my computer and a few years later I moved over to Affinity and still use it today!
It is always morally correct to pirate adobe products
I bought the 3 softs for 89 euros for all platforms today, then I spent 1 hour trying to delete Creative Cloud, I had to download an uninstaller, I've never seen this in my life, Adobe acts like a virus in my computer, I would try to delete it and it wouldn't allow me
That's absolutely insane.. Well, Affinity won't do that to you ;)
Adobe is officially out of all my devices. Never using it again.
unfortunately cant leave coz I need After Effects and Lightroom.
Left Adobe about 2 months ago and bought Affinity
How do you like it so far? 👊🏼
I hope Affinity puts some work into their suite though. Why do I need to rasterize a pasted image layer before I can do anything? Selection tools much easier to use in Adobe too. But I am going to try to make Affinity work because I'm so sick of Adobe's BS and price gouging
You shouldn’t need to rasterize and image for most things
@@cane870 I couldn't even use the lasso to select part of the image layer until I rasterized it :(
I was too broke for adobe.
Or, maybe just too smart. ;-)
I *tried* to switch from Adobe to Affinity, but I simply can’t because right-to-left typography is critical to my job. Affinity does not support it and has not responded positively to users asking for it on their official forums. 😞
Several years now. No regrets.
I've been using Affinity products since V1 after ditching Adobe years ago. They're lightening fast on both Mac and PC. Sure they have their quirks but they'll do pretty much all I need in terms of photo, drawing and layout. Not once have I felt like I was missing anything by leaving Adobe.
50% off sale - I just purchased the lot
Welcome to Club Affinity. You'll like it here.
I doubt this will make a big dent. Maybe in the short run, but long term, Adobe will come out ahead. They’ll lose some disgruntled customers now, but many will come back. It’ll use customer data to improve their generative AI, giving them a huge competitive advantage. Affinity won’t be able to provide the kind of tools Adobe will have. Any pro who won’t use these tools will have a disadvantage compared to his peers who do. Adobe‘s grip on the market will only increase. Cynical for sure, but that’s how the world works.
And I say that as someone who has cut the Adobe cord ever since they moved to the subscription model. But then I’m not a pro, I’m a hobbyist. I can absolutely live with using Pixelmator Pro and Sketch instead of Photoshop and Illustrator. A pro cannot easily do that however as it’s his livelihood that’s at stake, not a bunch of private projects.
I switched to Affinity years ago and never looked back. Adobe is way over priced.
If you say it's overpriced then you must know of a product that does what Adobe software does at a fraction of the cost. It's definitely not anything made by Affinity.
@@KuttyJoe value is subjective. for me, Affinity meets my needs and more, so in comparison Adobe is most certainly over priced!
@@KuttyJoe That's not the point, the point is whether affinity does what the specific artist needs. For you it may not. For me it seems to so far. So for the likes of me, adobe is overpriced because it does all sorts of things I don't need, want, or, in the case of putting my work the cloud and the copyright problems with AI, don't even approve of. Adobe may be great for you. Good. For me, it's just paying through the nose for stuff other people want but I don't.
@@alisonwilson9749 "That's not the point, the point is whether affinity does what the specific artist needs."
Look at the title of this video. Notice that it mentions people leaving Photoshop. If you need Photoshop, then you need Photoshop. If you don't need Photoshop, then why were you using it? Not you specifically, but all of the people who are supposedly suddenly leaving Adobe. Why were they paying for expensive tools that they admittedly did not need? It's not like going from a Ford pickup truck to competing Chevy pickup truck. It's like going from a big truck to a small sedan.
"So for the likes of me, adobe is overpriced because it does all sorts of things I don't need"
That doesn't make it overpriced for you, it means that it's a product that YOU don't need. You can only say it's overpriced if you actually needed it and the cost didn't make sense. It's like me looking up in the sky and saying, awe man, that private jet flying over is so overpriced for me. It's got all those buttons in it that I don't need. Plus the Lear company has terrible policies. LOL
Been looking for a comparable service for a few months now. I moved away from PP and now use Davinci, so hearing this is good news for me. Going to give the free trial a go today!
Thank god for Affinity - Designer 2 is lovely - especially on iPad- bye bye Adobe
Everybody!!!! This is the type of statement that shows that online providers are just interested in click-bait and not facts. If everybody is leaving why are there more Adobe users than Afinity users. Silly!!
Because they have been around for a thousand years. unlike Affinity :)
Actually, "everybody" is NOT doing anything of the sort.
No Lightroom/Camera Raw is a deal-breaker. No tethering. There's a lot missing, not viable for Photography if you don't want to get an additional and expensive C1 licence.
Photoshop from 10 years ago can still do ay more than affinity to be honest.
Breaking News: Adobe to buy Affinity....
Can't. Canva already bought Affinity a few months ago.
They were blocked from buying Figma, so _exceedingly_ unlikely. But ... don't they wish!
For freelance creators this is cool. Make a switch for sure. But for Creative agency the sad reality is that making a switch is near impossible. In an agency you oftern work with files that clients send you, you are also expected to send opel files to clients sometimes. The big problem here is that ai files don't work greate with affinity designer, same goes for other apps. There are workarounds but clients dont have time and will to optimise their files so the agency can work with them. Huge loss in time will mean that clients will move on to other Agency that uses adobe products. 😕
Just cancelled adobe. IM FREE
Nobody has run away from Adobe. Employers the industry dictate and require adobe knowledge for creative professionals. Granted their specifics and broadcast and other areas of video and film, editing, audio, etc. etc. work other software is introduced but as you should know adobe like you know typing.
Affinity software is great however and you’re free to use whatever you like. But don’t go against what helped you in your career for crying out loud.
Anyways, that whole anti-Adobe thing has now become last weeks news
Affinity no longer exists. Serif has sold this product. Canva will close the Affinity or drag it to online Canva and the Affinity functionality will be transferred to Canva with the subscription. Affinity is already a dead project. Serif died.
stop spreading lies, canva now owns Serif/ affinity but there are no signs pr proof of your claims
@@realJohnJohn What have Corel and Adobe done with the brands they've bought? Held them for a year or two, then shut them down, moving patents to their own "original" software. We could list endless examples of good graphic programs killed by these two companies. It's the same story in other software fields. Do you honestly think Canva bought Serif so Affinity could thrive as Affinity? How many families apart from your own do you support out of the goodness of your heart? Such behaviour is a UTOPIA!!! Affinity is a niche brand for enthusiasts, amateurs, maybe advanced amateurs (definitely not for pros!). Affinity has a few million users, probably 25% are Brits who bought it out of nostalgia for the well-known UK company Serif. Canva has way many many more users making a living from their products. Why do you think Canva bought Serif? So I can keep my Affinity for home use, better, faster, with everything Serif developed over the past 30 years? I don’t believe Affinity will survive. Canva will monetise the acquired patents, methods, functionalities. Everything you’ve seen in Serif software over the past 30 years won’t end up in Affinity, it’ll be in Canva. Affinity is dead! And I really, really hope I’m wrong. I’m a huge Serif fan, bought my first PagePlus back on Windows 3.1. I know (knew, because now it’s past tense and doesn’t exist, it’s Canva now) that company well, I know their engineers (spent hours on the phone with them), got to know their sales team (I have ALL the Serif programs, some with multiple licences), watched Serif for years. Times have changed, the market reacts differently, Serif couldn’t survive on their mission driven by software engineering passion. For the brand owners, selling Serif was the only good decision to keep their money. Canva isn’t Unilever, which keeps brands alive. Graphic software, DTP, isn’t the same as supermarket shelves.
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There's one sign that Canva might want to keep the Affinity brand alive. Canva wants to return to a good Serif tradition, something Serif abandoned a few years back. Canva plans to give free licences to schools, getting young people accustomed to the brand. This is the only thing right now that suggests Affinity might survive a few more years. Slim hopes, though, as they might backtrack just like Serif did. It's one thing to dominate the education system in your own country (like Serif in the UK, where Brits support their own), and quite another to have ambitions across the entire globe, in all the languages of the civilised world, with different political, legal, religious, social, and general value systems. In my opinion, Canva's declaration was made for show, so they don't lose potential UK licence buyers (Serif was only in UK schools, and a huge number of people here remember that).
@@sebastianmichael5208 who are you to tell us what is for pros? youre a print mashine operator that lost his job to a mashine. f outta here
@@frankenstein2735 Who are you to pay attention to me and tell me where I can tell what and to whom. Calm down, child. Also, you're confusing me with someone else. I've never been a printing machine operator.
love this! now can we get something of quality that competes with substance painter and designer? now that would be amazing!
I went ahead and paid $82.99 for Affinity. I was not aware of this software. Was using CS5 and wanted to upgrade but Adobe subscription is pricey.
Affinity? I'd be happy if I were able to paste an image into a selection. I could do that in photoshop 2.
I did the jump 2 years ago and NO looking back!!! Affinity works for me.
Great decision! 🙌 Join the APC community. It’s fun!
Left Adobe and used the 50% off rebate. Having an absolute blast discovering that I'm missing almost nothing from the Adobe Suite considering I paid 80 bucks for the equivalent of Photoshop, Indesign and Illustrator without any subscription model as of yet.