SGC Or PSA-Can SGC Make You More Money?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- sgc vs psa? That is a question that we have to ask ourselves nowadays when grading. Each company has their own advantages. SGC is known for primarily vintage and quick turnaround times while PSA is known for high dollar sales and the most desirable grades in the market. In this video I am going to help you answer the question SGC or PSA? What makes YOU the most money?
I just wanted to say sorry, sorry you're a rockies fan.
Ezekial Tovar is gonna be a superstar!! they got him on the way
maybe he's a time traveling assassin from the 90s
It's just amazes me that no one talks about the fact PSA will hold your cards hostage and extort you for more money to get them back if that's what they CHOOSE to do...
I agree.. what if you don't want to pay that extortion fee? Are you just assed out of your cards? Terrible.. that's the ONLY reason I don't send to psa
@@jbortega1178 upcharge is for insurance in case anything happens to your card. If a card gets damaged by the company PSA will pay well compared to the value of the card. CSG and SGC will give you a floppy taco to replace a damaged card
@@sp123 not true they upcharged at the national, where cards were hand delivered same day that had nothing to do with insurance.
@@sp123 a floppy taco is still more reliable than PSA
@@sp123 so it's basically an extortion fee... right on
If you buy and sell cards , you know time is money. That’s why SGC is king. Too much risk waiting for months with psa , you recently did a psa return video and a lot of the cards went down in value when you got them back. Some modern cards I like sending to psa but mostly use SGC . Gotta know what cards to send where
I’m sorry but the sgc slab looks like something my high school kid could do at school. No thanks. Psa to many of you might be trash but it’s a standard for a reason.
Also, SGC doesn't charge extra for auto grading either I believe. Could be wrong, but if they don't, that's a great bonus.
I don't understand why, by now, SGC doesn't have more of a resale value. They should. The grade tough. They have been around a long time. Their quality cases. All good stuff. Fine, don't be neck and neck with PSA (which I wouldn't mind), but they should be right there, just a hair below, a lot closer than they are. On a side note, I have a $30 PSA 90-120 day order that is at 60 days and about to ship back. They seem to be getting much quicker. I believe they opened their Jersey office to grade now, so that should help as well.
I think PSA realize there are so many other grading companies opening up now that they need to get their act together. LOL
Yes SGC can make you money….just small amounts! Lol
If you buy 10 of each of those cards raw, half of them won’t even make the cut to be submitted, once you look them over good.
Psa is 50$ a card for those that don’t have a yearly subscription I thought? I only use sgc, they grade way harder than bgs and Psa which to me makes them more valuable in the future once people realize this. Also don’t want my cards back in 6 months. Sent an order to bgs and they haven’t even opened my package yet, while I’ve already sent and received back 2 sgc orders.
The better question is which company grades most accurately...I know I know...its SGC by far. I've many instances of psa grade looks much worse than the same card by SGC...do your own research and you will find it true.
SGC AND CSG/CGC!
SGC has made major leaps in the grading world. They are above bgs in my opinion they could fix there label on the slab a little and they could make major gains towards psa if they keep there pace up.
I agree I don't like their labels a ton but the slabs still look good
@@phenomta4236 I like them
Tux slab looks like crap imo.
Cool video, but realistically you won't sell 10 orders of SGC that fast. SGC grades faster than any company, but the time it takes to sell them should also take account. When I sell PSA, I don't have to really do anything. People come to my table, want the card, and then it's sold. When it comes to SGC (only speaking about modern), I feel like a car salesman where I have to explain why it's a good slab. I still get multiple people every show asking if SGC is a new company. I still grade a few cards with SGC, but very limited. I submitted 300 cards to psa where they took 18 months to grade, but I sold them all. I have SGC slabs from the time I sent to PSA and i still have them.
I just got into sending cards in and for PSA being the top dog their customer service is appalling, you cannot realistically communicate with them unless you have time to sit at home all day
@@twostop6895 agree, their customer service is very bad
I have a baseball hall of fame graded rookie collection and last month I wanted to buy the 1965 catfish hunter rookie card in a 6. A Psa 6 was listed for 120 dollars. And as a Psa collector I prefer that. But I found a bvg for 60 dollars. Bvg is Beckett slabs for anything under 1980.
As someone who just collects I bought the 60 dollar cheaper option. Beckett and Psa have the same grading standard so to me a 6 is a 6. And In just collecting I think it’s important to get the best value
$50 per card PSA order came back in 30 days and the ROI was double SGC. Haven’t sent anything to SGC since PSA opened back up. No reason to anymore.
the only way that happens is if you let it, I price both equally.
@@richardbianco9674 the only way someone would pay the same on a modern card w/ PSA 10 & SGC 10 is if they just got into the hobby & had zero understanding of the market. You can list it for twice as much as PSA, doesn’t mean it will sell.
@@ayeitskq they sell, might be slower but they do. And what most here are doing is running auctions. Buy it now pricing is a different ballgame.
I 100% agree SGC is now obsolete, July special cards are already in grading. The backlog is 95% cleared I’ve gotten everything back. $50 is back in a month worth 2x SGC. I’ll let the casual collectors use SGC and enjoy it if that’s what makes them happy. But PSA is the far superior company and product. I still find Beckett outsells SGC by a wide margin and I even received a BGS order back in 3 weeks.
@@richardbianco9674 lol you can price them at whatever you want, actually making sales is another thing. I can sell a whole display case full of PSA slabs in half the time it would take to sell 5 SGC slabs. They are not liquid at all, just go and look at the eBay auctions they end at 40% of PSA.
Eventually SGC will take over people are tired of PSA bullshit
SGC is the vintage grader... I don't care for them with modern cards. PSA maximizes your profits as long as you can hit a 10. PSA hands out 10s like candy. BGS was at one time the gold standard... but their management is lazy and thinks their name will just carry them forever. They are falling behind and there's an argument to be made that they are the #3 grader now behind PSA, then SGC. If they aren't careful... they might find themselves #4 behind CSG.
They don't hand out 10's like candy.......they're the KING of pop control
why do people want it both ways? They say SGC is the go to for vintage yet not modern. wtf? a card is a card i mean Jesus H Christ
@@rockcundiff1761 SGC is vintage... not modern. And... PSA has an absolute ABSURD amount of 10s in their pop reports.
Great video! Grading with PSA your cards could drop in value over the long return time while with SGC they will relatively be worth the same
I've been scooping up SGC 10s of the cards I want for half the price of a PSA 10. It so much more affordable and I plan to crack a few and send them off as an experiment. I'm also surprised by how much I've grown to like the SGC holder. A lot of value to be found with SGC! Great video Scott.
Let us know what the experiment produces! Stay Blessed!
Did you send any into psa? If so did the grades stay consistent?
Lol half the price huh? 😂😂
Neo literally just did this video yesterday.
I didn't know that. I did the research on Saturday, recorded this video on Sunday, edited the video Monday after work, and posted it this morning. That is just a coincidence is all. Great minds think alike!
Scottie, would be curious to see how SGC slab value has changed over the last 12 months relative to PSA and BGS.
So another consideration about which grader to submit to is growth trends - seems like a SGC 10 today is worth a lot more than an SGC 10 of the same card a year ago
Matt, alot of folks are telling me that SGC value is on the rise and it's getting closer to PSA. I have been searching the internet forums of what people thought about the 2 grading company. I'm now leaning more to SGC. Currently have 26 cards on the site ready to ship out. Need to get up to 50 cards to bring the cost down to $18 per card.
ha ha, my "RAW" 2017 Topps Chrome Aaron Judge sold for 77.00 (auction starting at .99 cents, a couple weeks ago). Who knows what grade it was? Don't know and don't care. 🤣
Forgot that PSA now owns SGC, so just hoping SGC adds a Holo logo since they can't sue themselves. Then SGC will have same value.
Never looked at this way. It would be interesting to see a similar breakdown between BGS vs SGC. Terrific breakdown!
I just submitted my first 5 cards and went with SGC. For me, it came down to turn around, and in my opinion, a MUCH better looking slab. Price was about half per card. I just can't see anything from PSA that would make them a better choice
If you are grading to sell, you need a PSA 10 (good luck with that) and also get the card(s) back in quicker time to get it out on the market for sale. Once you get 9 or less, it's toss up with any other grader as far as pricing. But, the thing is PSA doesn't offer quick turn times for an affordable price, so why bother. Get your card back quicker and make a little less and turn cash constantly. Get off the PSA teet once and for all
I find the SGC Black border too thick/wide. It takes your eye away from the card because it stands out so much. A slightly narrower black border, half again smaller. Now that to is perfect. And they need to jump on the crystal clear slabs bandwagon! That's my 2 cards worth. 😊
Funny fact, an sgc 10 will ALWAYS crossover to psa while a psa 10 WON'T the other way 🤷♂️ its simply a matter of time before sgc takes over, value wise. The collectors have been watching this trend for the last couple years. Also the biggest factor in all this is the way psa grades. They are the most inconsistent and have a real problem catering to their "top tier" clients and making the rest of us play pop control. Why would real collectors roll the dice with psa when we know sgc will be impartial and fair (mostly anyway) if I really need something in a psa slab it will be done through crossover moving forward.
Do not like how you presented or stated some of the numbers. You do NOT have an 84% chance of getting a PSA 10 on the Judge. 84% of the cards that were already graded received a 10. Someone new to this may hear you and think they can send is 10 cards and get 8 10’s back. I know that’s probably not what you meant, but if it was…you are incorrect.
Seems like a no brainer to use SCG. The flippers need stuff back faster to make their money. And for those keeping the cards, the loader looks better for SCG.
No up charge from SGC. Also, PSA may have higher resale value but they are extremely strict graders. What is the point in using them when your chances of getting consistently high grades are slim? I think they are doing population control. Also who wants to wait 3-4 months to get your cards back and be up charged if any happened to hit high grades? Yeah, no thanks. I appreciate your video and for covering this topic.
Hear me out, since SGC is so cheap and fast, on some cards it might be a good idea to send it to them for a quick turnover hoping you get a pristine and if not send it to PSA. Any thoughts?
I like SGC better because you pay less and get card back. Using PsA you wait a really long time and the card market is always changing. You take a chance loosing money on a card you thought you would make money..because you get the psa card back it’s no longer going for a lot because it’s 6months later ☠️
I heard psa taking 30 days or less now ; i asked some RUclipsr card investor
The only reason psa are higher is because you have to pay a forrune getting your cards sent back after they extort you
SGC is only lacking the resale market, but making headway. the fact I can get a regular sub back in 5 days, that's huge if you want a quick turnaround. I was able to sell a couple JRod slabs during the HR derby for huge $ that I would be waiting still for PSA. I've sent and recieved 5 SGC orders in the time that PSA order (1 order w/ 3 cards) has been in 'grading' phase...
Enter PSA people complaining. Geaux SGC
The majority prefer PSA. So there's your answer.
One factor to consider for many high end cards is that psa conducts pop control. A card will get a 9 or 8 at psa while it can earn the 10 or 9 it deserves at sgc. As sgc grades each card objectively in isolation without self-interest. This will affect selling price differences as well.
Can't you just buy an SGC Gem Mint 10 for 40 percent off, then get it graded with PSA and most likely it will come out psa GM 10 and you gain 30-40 percent in value? hmm
sgc if you want to flip, psa if you want to hold long term.
I find this amusing, for flipping modern SGC is terrible.
1. They do not sell anywhere even close to PSA or BGS
2. They are worth generally 55% of a PSA 10
3. The buyer pool for SGC is about 1/5 the size of PSA
4. Most serious buyers of high end cards won’t even consider SGC for modern
5. The turn over is so much slower on sales you cannot capitalize on the turnaround times.
They only place people buy sgc is eBay. All the shows I go to sellers say they can’t move sgc stuff
Just patently false. I sell thousands of dollars worth of modern SGC graded cards all the time. If I was losing money, I wouldn’t be sending them cards EVERY month
@@ryanra44 cool story bro you still know PSA is the better choice
@@Liftoff2theclouds actually. I did way better on my SGC orders than I did on my two PSA orders. Most of the cards I sent to PSA lost over half their value in the year it took PSA to get them back to me. Each company has their place.
I liked the total eclipse reference at 6:46 Great video! I've been using SGC because of the quick turnaround.
What a great breakdown!! keep the videos coming brotha
I know exactly what you're talking about the week Topps series 1 came out I bought & opened a case and pulled 22 base & insert Wander's, all but 2 that were off centered looked good so I sent them all to SGC. A couple of weeks later I got back 9-10's,11-9.5's, & 2-9's. I sold them all that same week, this was all within a month of the product release. If I would have sent them to PSA I would have gotten them after all the wander hype died down and worth much much less.
How much you make? Bought a case, sent 60? Cards to them then sold, what was your profit? Thanks
You lost money prolly.
100. I sent in 2 Wanders I pulled opening 2 blasters the week of release. Both came back SGC 10s. Sold both for $80 something each. If I would have sent those to PSA, I would have lost money
wow you must have opened a lot to get those pulls, I make almost 100k a year and would have a hard time buying that much product given my bills kids and retirement savings
I know people always say to use whoever you want if it’s for your PC, but I still use SGC for vintage and PSA for everything else bc I want my collection to be worth as much as possible when I die and leave my collection to my kids.
If I were a betting man, by the time that happens, values will have caught up to PSA.
@@richardbianco9674 I’ll take that bet
@@arynnelson371 they are already are starting to. Another 2 years and I believe the big 3 will all be about even. Maybe even throwing CSG in there for a big 4. The new generation of collectors/investors aren't as bias to psa as the older ones are
@@richardbianco9674 show me some figures that they are catching up. Sgc sells for 50-75% of PSA and has for the last number of years
@@arynnelson371 he gave 2 examples in this video.
McDermott Haven
Stanton Crossing
Abdul Drives
Whats your thoughts on GMA grading?
Schiller Extensions
I use SGC about 90% of the time
Love the numbers and informational videos like this!
Hey Scott B and his viewers. I have been a Grader for SGC and I have graded 10,500 cards cards that have sold for more than $500,000 and I personally grade 250 -500 cards a month. I have a general love and respect for the hobby. Occasionally I will see 👀 people with a multitude of cards that I have graded. I have graded cards from 1882 .I do my best to get the cards out as quick as possible. I have a box of PSA returns that I received in January 21 that I haven't opened yet. Sorry just remembered and I have BBG box that I recieved 2 weeks later. I haven't graded any of my personal cards yet because of ethicalreasons.I'll probably start at 14,000.
congrats
Stanton Shore
your fave team is the Bull durham Bulls
Thank you for the breakdown. Great video.
Who cares, BGS everyday
Great review
Orlando Ridges
Hoppe Mountain
Cassidy Camp
Strosin Island
Oberbrunner Crest
Ardella Crest
Grant Ramp
Destiny Mews
Arizona d Rockies lol
PSA is soft way to many 10s
Alda Ways
Verda Trail
SGC all the way, for me
U like the Mets lol
To assume you would keep getting such amazing grades though, that's kind of nonsense.
Lol Ge Literally said that.😂😂
@@LambeauLeeeper yeah, that's what happens when you don't delete the comment that you made more in the beginning of the video.
Vallie Plaza
sgc labels are too easy to fake
Hagenes Manors
CR
Do you have a sponsor/partnership deal with SGC?
I do not. I actually have never spoken to anyone in management there. I realized lately how many videos I have done on them, but this is since I want to show helpful hobby tips. Lately they have just really been a good tool for collectors. Thanks for watching!
Lea Rest
Like PSA, love SGC! If both cards are a ten, ama role with SGC 👍 better prices most time! Your a Red Sox fan !!! You love that dirty water
I like getting my Pokémon cards graded, if you're looking for more value as a reseller then PSA is the way to go but they are considerably more expensive, if you're looking just to get your cards graded at a cheap price than SGC is the way to go especially if you're shipping through bulk and with the new Pokémon special offer of $15 per card compared to PSA's $25 per card.
So if you ask me which is better, I would probably say personally SGC but then again that’s just my opinion, if you ask me, which is better for you then I would say it’s up to you and you decide who you want to go with
Colorado Rockies fan eh? Great comparison between SGC and PSA - time can be a very important factor in this field
Turnaround time is a major factor when flipping. I can’t imagine waiting 4 months for a card. The more collectors that choose SGC for faster turnaround, the price premium of PSA will drop over time.
When you are spending 25-30% of a cards value or more, to slab it,
then pay 15% to sell it ebay/paypal,
your profit per card is too low,
once you consider time to aquire, grade, sell.
You state 7-10x your money,
while that might be from raw to final price,
once you remove the costs,
you might have 2-3x on a $7 card,
so you made $7-15 on a card, that takes
20-30 minutes to accomplish the buy to sell routine.
Then subtract some profit from the above,
when your grades come back lower than expected,
the occasional ebay scammer that get you, etc.
Price point is too low to incur such a high grading fee.
Works better with $300+ and up cards.
$100 and under cards,
better off working at McDonalds for $$,
less work, same money in the end.
SGC > everyone. Major SGC fan & best looking slab
PSA should not be #1 when other grading companies have higher grade scaling with sub grades. I have seen so many "PSA 10" that were clearly not a 10. People plsease wake up and stop supporting PSA untill they fix there grading. Us the people controll the market.
SGC is way more lenient then PSA. PSA has cracked down and SGC is giving out 9.5s like BGS
Pfannerstill Field
I like the SGC look better And the turnaround time is great. I would probably grade with both depending on the card.
I’ve sent to sgc for this reason. Problem I get is the 9.5mt+ no one knows how to value it. Nothing but lowball offer. Times I can find sgc hard to move inventory with modern cards
Great video! You got my sub! Just started ripping packs again after twenty years
Interesting Breakdown
Thanks Phil!
Thank you I'm trying to decide where to send my Herbert field level prizm rc
And you spent $20 to ship the cards to PSA/SGC, and $40 in return shipping/insurance. Subtracting $60 off the top from both.
The founder of SGC & his card trimming history is a company i cant morally support
Great video. I, personally, have never used either and would agree with you that it depends on the card. I like how you analyzed the numbers, weighing the pros and cons. This video was very helpful. Thanks!
This is exactly what the hobby needs to see. I like both companies, but as a collector, I need to sell certain cards to acquire others. PSAs turnaround is too long, even 120 days is generous
just an fyi, you forgot to include that you have to pay another 100 yearly to get that $30 per card with psa. surely this doesn't matter much if you submit enough cards but something to consider. Interesting video otherwise as I have been trying to decide who to send some of my cards to. I think psa might be better for high end and sgc is better if you plan on selling the cards pretty quickly. I have some off center cards that look really good otherwise and want to grade them regardless, but I have a feeling I might get a worse grade with sgc knowing that they can be a little tough on grades with cards that are off centered or have print errors.... Might end up going with sgc just for the quicker turnaround and to have some cards slabbed without waiting around to get them back!
I’m gonna load up on Bobby’s this off-season. He’s got some serious 30/30 potential and has actual potential defensive upside. He had around a month back in July where his defense was just abysmal and he made error after error and as a rookie that can be taxing on the confidence. His cards are going to be really low this off-season but he’s got the highest potential rate of return in my opinion
Off topic: Do you know of any companies that do hands on teaching for grading cards. Or I guess “pre screening” teaching? Thank you!