@PatricianTV Where the zombies the main enemy you fought in MGSV? And 2 it’s probably having something to do with zombie survival. Idk that’s what I think. Anyway have a good one.
I played Death Stranding a few months ago and the parallels to Survive are just fucking insane. Even down to miniscule shit like a mysterious, official-looking black guy with a weird name giving you orders (die-hardman and goodluck), or the focus on corpses and crystals. Personally, my guess is that Death Stranding is the game Kojima wanted to make for a while, and when Konami shitcanned him, he took the opportunity to make it for real.
Konami "Shitcanned" Kojima because he was wasting Time & Money on stuff he shouldn't of been doing. Like, P.T. that he did under Konami's nose when he was supposed to be working on MGSV. Ya'know the game that was suppose to make them back all the money that Kojima wasted(literally pushing Konami into the "red")? The Game that's completely unfinished? Yeah that game, and eventually it did make the money lost back, but only a year after it's release. So please, praise Kojima some more when in reality he was just as much in the wrong; if not more, as Konami. I would of fired him too if I was his boss. That's not even going into the huge ego he had, and the fanbase influencing that.
@@ikeaira8701It's funny, my boner for MGS1-3 and hate boner for Phantom -Menace- Pain had me slightly conflicted about your comment, but I have to agree lol. While games are an art, they're also an industry and if you're fucking around with other people's money, you're going to find out sooner or later
@@ikeaira8701 damn, someone's salty af. He literally just said they shitcanned him- a euphemism for firing him. That's an objective fact. You don't have to love or hate Kojima to recognise that yes, Konami got rid of Kojima, rightly or wrongly.
You can say whatever you want about the game, but the fact that the Lord of Dust couldn't die because it "doesn't understand the concept of death" is fucking rad.
The weirdest part of Survive is the people that worked on it, you have Masahiro Ito doing monster designs and the director of the game was the coding or gameplay director of MGS4. You mentioned the detection ring, and that was from 4 to assist with detecting where enemies were based on noise (given half the game is an active warzone) so I wonder if it was his idea and he carried it into Survive or what.
Yeah, instead, in this game you pay 10$ (or...maybe it was 5$? Idk) per save file! Truly, an innovation in monetizing non-mmo-type games. It's clear where the endgame priorities lie at Konami, lol.
I was more upset over the overall tyranny going on (and is still going on) in Konami offices. They have cameras everywhere poised on their staff, the staff are expected to work overtime without pay, their toilet and food breaks are heavily regulated and their contracts are outright atrocious. What this entire circus told me was that on principle, I shouldn't buy any product from Konami. Kochima is just a side issue to me, something that underlines just how predatory the influential and the CEOs in Japan can be (a very prevalent issue btw). I prefer to focus on how they treat their general staff and it is... just downright awful. That is why I dislike Konami, because they, as a company, deserve as much criticism as is thrown at them, in fact, they could do with more (so long as the general staff isn't the target). The fact they are still standing and profiting with such awful setup for their staff is downright awful.
Part of that tough work ethic is what made Japan such an impressive country when it comes to industry and innovation. I think the US could learn a few things from them. That being said, workers shouldn't be treated like cattle unless they work in fast food.
Hi welcome to Japanese workplaces. Every office in Japan is as bad, or worse, as Konami lol. It's a big reason why Japan has no births or economic future.
@@jmarra07 "Tough work ethic" is just trading long term growth for short term pleasure. It's a suicide pact in practice lol. Have you seen Japan's birthrates or debt to GDP ratio? Thanks LDP. White collar workers are the only ones who should be treated like that though. The more expensive the worker, the more need to make sure they aren't malingering or shirking work, duh. Fast food workers aren't worth the investment just hire another high schooler lol. No one actually cares if their burger is a minute or two late because it's a low cost item. A missed burger sale is literally nothing for McDonald's but a missed hour or two of coding productivity by Microsoft is potentially lethal down the road, just look at Windows ME's disastrous launch because of how lazy office workers fucked around instead of knuckling down. Anyway it's why those oppressive surveillance cameras only exist for salarymen in Japan. They realize, as anyone who studies worker productivity and management theory for more than an hour does, that office workers are much lazier and morally weaker than fast food (or any food) workers. It's sad that office workers are so pathetic they need that extrinsic motivation though, they're basically animals in their ability to control their work ethic. The less a chance they have to reproduce the better society is though, which is why they have forced overtime and timed bathroom breaks. No time for salaryman to have kids means less chance for Japanese culture to go to the dogs. Street food workers in Japan do that naturally by waking up at 3 AM to go to market to buy food for shift, which starts at 5 AM and ends at 8 PM, for their 15 hours a day 7 days a week sigma grindset. It's because of that that farmers, welders, and food workers will eventually inherit the Japanese soil and (literally) rebirth the nation, because they have kids who learn the family trade.
Konami is a legitimately bad company, but I despise how people want to ignore their actual tangible evil they do to employees, only to focus on whining about pachinko machines and saying Death Stranding Beta Version here is anything worse than mediocre.
@@hereniho Exactly. For people when it comes to Konami, it's either you're on the company's side or you're on Kojima's side. I personally couldn't care less about Kojima, but what Konami did to his team is only a tiny, highly-publicized part of a pattern of reprehensible behavior on the part of the company. They are the picture of capitalist greed. Just look at what's happening recently - they've come back to publish more Silent Hill games, milking that dead IP for all it's worth now that the Japanese government is cracking down on Pachinko parlors. And everyone's all happy and excited, forgetting everything they did to Team Silent and the Silent Hill IP after SH3? The general public should be ashamed of themselves for so readily supporting a company with a history of employee rights abuses as long as Konami's. Developers deserve better than to have their suffering brushed under the rug and forgotten at the first chance for some shiny, vapid new toy.
I kinda liked survive. Some of the stuff with the tower defense was really fun. MGS with melee weapons beyond knives or vibroswords is neat. It felt like dlc, but it wasnt the garbage everyone thought it was.
@@Largentina. Survive isn't garbage. It is however just an average zombie survival game with Metal Gear title slapped onto it. It's claimed to be worse than it is because of the Kojima vs Konami controversy, rather than because of it's actual quality.
Still the funniest thing for me about PP that crazy fans predicted the main plot twist (you know which one) in Ground Zeroes long before release of PP.
Tbf i think Kojima kinda shoot himself in the foot on that one. Replacing Big bosses voice actor was going to make people pay a lot more attention to anything snake says just by the virtue of not being used to it and so hearing the same voice come from a completely random other character is kind of a dead giveaway. Altho then again i recall a lot of people going with the "nah man thats way too obvious for Kojima" line of thought so maybe it was all a big 5D chees play
People generally forget that Konami has been setting up for a transition in leadership. From a man who used to repair jukeboxes for a living to a guy with a business degree. The latter didn't really like how Kojima was given so much leeway or his rockstar attitude and lack of deference to his superiors in the company. On top of that there was a lot of flak being thrown at Kojima (as head of Konami Digital Entertainment) within Konami Holdings because he'd basically ignored the rise of the extremely profitable mobile market. There was a lot of mess going on there.
A lot of mess is an understatement that was the shitshow of Kojima's Ego clashing with the rest of the company, down to the gambling side of Konami products. It was a nuclear disaster.
I unironically liked this game, only because of its setting. I aplaud the developers for what they did in the face of bureaucracy, lack of Hideo, and under the brutal thumb of Konami
You might be the only RUclipsr who I can both respect for having an opinion and disrespect for not having an opinion. This plague will never be stopped it seems
@@Tetramorre Ugh, Google deleted my message for describing V as "jimini c*****throat". Where was I? Ah, MGS2 was the perfectly honed, near-perfect puzzle-stealth game for me, best in the series. Afterwards Kojima went full feature creep and never got back in shape. I mean, did you ever eat snakes in MGS3? I never felt no need. Used camouflage? Maybe once or twice. All of his games since MGS2 were full of that superfluous bullshit and I hated it. As for V, there was so much to pick from and so many ways to go that it turned into Wallmart.
I got it on discount it's honestly not as bad as everyone is saying. Its a solid game regardless. At the end of the day its still part kojima's old team. There's alot of fun gameplay mechanics and ideas wrapped up in it. Its pretty damn hard at times too. I'd give it a solid 7.5-8 out of 10. It honestly got some unfair hate since reviews of it are bearly a couple hours in. On the fly base defense and exploration is a pretty fun combo.
At the End of the Day... Kojima said, Metal Gear Rising 2 would have Nanomachine Zombies. And Konami thought "People like all of his Ideas, lets just do that!"
I've played Survive for 590 hours. I paid $5 for it. The endgame is great and really deserves more attention. Like at 17:50 when you're talking about how annoying it is to individually extract a few hundred kuban each from the zombie corpses-- the game makes that so tedious and unrewarding as a way of spurring you to not do it. You're supposed to learn to get most of your kuban energy from multiplayer, from the salvage missions. You get tens of thousands of kuban for doing a mission on easy, and on extreme you'll be getting millions of kuban just for one S+ rank. Survive was originally conceived as basically the Metal Gear equivalent to Call of Duty's zombie mode--a mode intended for multiple players, not solo outings (except for the most hardcore). All this material is great criticism of the single player portion of the game, but if you consider that the single player was never intended to be part of the final product, and was made and added on in the tail end of the entire game's conception and production, I think a lot of things get put in a more understandable context. I also have to say at 19:30 the Exploration Teams have a really important use in the endgame which you seemed to overlook: like the rare Styptic powder, Titanium Alloy is also very hard to find in Survive's single player mode. Well, again, you're not meant to farm it that way. You can send your Exploration team off on missions near the end game to get huge amounts of these rare resources (there is a daily rotation for different material types), and it's only by using this team that I was able to keep enough Titanium in my inventory at all to use the highest level weapons and gear the game has to offer. Doing salvages gives you a supply of a little bit of almost every material in the game, so whatever you're getting from that is meant to be supplemented by your Exploration Teams. It's not useful at first because you don't have enough food and supplies to send a team out on the harder missions to gather these larger bounties of materials. Kind of wish you had mentioned that the game gives the player free SV coins for logging on during the weekends. V uses MB coins almost exactly like Survive uses SV coins. The extra resource gathering in both games is unlocked thru these currencies. An extra character is an extra base. I hear you when you're accusing the Survive Defenders of being victim of the sunk cost fallacy, but consider that maybe I've played almost 600 hours of this game because I simply enjoy beating zombies over their collective heads with a Jet Axe from Metal Gear Revengeance while wearing the Sneaking Suit from V, and that playing with up to 3 friends doing this is pretty good as far as "hamster wheels" go. I put in an extra $5 after I bought the game to afford an extra character slot and an extra loadout slot, and since then I've earned enough simply from logging in to buy a 3rd character slot. You don't actually have to pay to earn SV coins. 36 hours in Survive isn't even enough to get into the endgame loop. Did you play an Extreme salvage mission? You probably haven't seen all the game has to offer until you've felt the pressure of 10 lanes of wanderers, bombers, XOF gunners, trackers, a devastator, and Frostbite all bearing down on you and your team at once. This game was made with the multiplayer aspect primarily in mind, and the single player was added on in a rather short time span before its release. The single player campaign literally must be "survived" and, yes, it's a slog, it's hard, but it gets easier the entire way, and you don't really start to see the full game until you hit the endgame. You have 40 levels to gain in the main class, and 4 more subclasses of 29 levels each to earn and experience. (For reference it took me over 300 hours to max out all the subclasses.) You mentioned a few times in the video how few people made it thru the story--even fewer have made it to where the game we were intended to play really lies. You can like it or not, but it was damn fun for me to fight me way to my own slice of Heaven with Survive. Anyways, I know this is a long comment and I'm pretty critical, but I like this game and I've seen a lot of inaccurate information going around about it for a while now, so I just wanted to throw in how I see things since I didn't see much of my perspective in your video.
- Look, so much water! - Where? We are standing in the middle of a desert. - Just dig 30 meters deep and you'll see what I see, dumbo. All you need is 5 bucks to buy that shovel from me. [a week later] - Hey up there, I need a rope! - That's another 5 bucks. Having fun yet?
@@Maggerama You're not wrong; Survive is not fun for everyone, and is not made to please everyone. It's made to be a decent amount of "work" to do in order to carve out your own way of playing it in the long run. But, do you know how wells are made? And how valuable a well of unlimited water in the desert is? Now if you'll stop complaining and hand me that shovel...
As one of the handful of people who also played to the endgame - I can say definitively yes this was some of the most engaging, thrilling gameplay there was. The Extreme missions with 3 other competent lads was an absolute ball. Unfortunately the early game tedium, TACTICAL FENCE SPEAR ACTION, mind numbing resource management, and shameless MGS piggybacking really gated some good gameplay. Not mention I still have the constant “Captain…” droning burnt into my head.
I really hope you read this, it’s one of the cooler facts I know about Kojima and his mentality about his development mindset that a lot of people overlook: You mention early on how not many people know Developers by name. Kojima recognized this. Except he recognized it back in the 80s. It’s why he put his name on so much stuff. It’s why he is so unabashedly in your face about his own personal marketing strategies. Because he came from an industry that would forget those who made it, and credit the publishing house and not the game developer. “You wouldn’t do it with the author of a book so why would he not?” That. So the very fact we know who he is, proves he was right all along. The only other prominent developers I know? Yoshi P, Uematsu, Soken ( ff game music for both of them) Sakurai, Miyamoto, and Miyazaki. That’s about it. And all of them do the same thing Kojima does to an extent. So the next time Darksyde Phil rages at Kojima it’s always fun to remember that the very fact he knows Kojima’s name gives him the winning hand. It’s awesome. I love it. I love it so much. He will be remembered. A legacy. And that’s awesome. I wish I would be remembered…
I actually really tried liking this, but like, 20 hours in and like, I felt like I was still struggling, it felt like i never progressed and everything felt like a pain in the ass to do. This feels like a fan mod overhaul away of being a really fun survival game is what i took away from it.
too bad the mob mentality pushed a lot of people away. People that potentially could of added mods to the game's landscape to improve it. There are SOME nice mods out there now, but it def could of been much more of a community if the mob didn't push peeps away.
Death Stranding was good. It was a very chill terrain traversal game. It's too bad the trike was so buggy that you could Bethesda jump your way around the map.
23:25 You can pronounce it however you like, it's ancient Greek. Arr-kay-ah is usually how I say it, they're a kind of cousin to bacteria and only ever really come up in relation to microbiology.
I love Survive. It was my introduction to Metal Gear. It's cool, but hard. I have yet to experience the entirety of the game, partly because... The game begins where the story ends. Really, the story is basically a long tutorial/gear unlocking mechanism. The true meat of Survive is in the online ops, which are hard in solo. None of my friends have either ps4s or the game, and I never really wanted to Squad up with randoms from Brazil or North Africa, so I never could get to play online.
Endgame multiplayer is lit af. The gear and guns you get to use is crazy fun. Explosive and every element rounds, grim rounds for %200 crits. Legendary gear sets with some nice passives. Game at the start, is a trash fire. Game at the end in multiplayer, is really fun.
I havnt made it to endgame yet, and I'm not big on multiplayer. I love this game for the survival, traversing the mist with no map, using lights to try and navigate, while maintaining you needs and oxygen. Trying to sneak through zombies and quietly open a cache so you dont get swarmed. Its fun, I wish that was the multiplayer lol
The only thing I ever liked about the scale, was the post game campaign and the multiplayer. The difficulty of finding those “special creatures” scattered around the dust just made the completionist inside of me want to finish it.
I honestly have never cared about Metal Gear as a franchise, so I’ve always found it incredibly strange how people idolize Kojima for literally anything he does
I admire the franchise but I wonder the same. How can everyone asume that everything is his idea. Even in the first metal gear solid, the idea were not new, the foundation was in movies and it was plainly obvious. Kojima just put it together. I'll admite that the experience was deeper and more complex than any other similar game but there was an entire team behind. I always feel uncomfortable with that situation.
Goddamit Pat now I have to take a 15 minuet break due to going both blind and deaf, you should have put a warning that Yong Yeah and Rotund Sterling would be in this. Warn a guy next time
Jim 'i can't stop whining about everyone hating my videos because i'm mentally ill rather than facing up to the reality that it's because their quality has just dropped off a cliff and i pushed all my irrelevant hobbies and quirky alternate lifestyle fetishes into them' Sterling.
@@thedude5294 That's my point. Jim can't face the reality nobody cares about his gay failed wrestling career he tried to inject into his videos, or the horrible skits he gives more attention than anything anyone in his audience watched him for which he's gradually made more and more prominent. Instead he likes to scream and moan about how really he's just facing vicious unjustifiable Internet terrorist persecution because he's let his fetishes run wild and the world is unironically out to murder him in cold blood. Jim's just kind of pathetic at this point tbh, with a decent side of downright delusion.
"Better than MGS 2" are words usually met with curiosity and reason here in the online spaces, so I look forward to seeing that video! I subbed as soon as heard about the MGS V one since we like'em long around here, plus it was nice to have already done so before PatTV said anything. He done own me down here, I do as I please! Seriously, it was nice to see a different take on this game. I haven't played it, but the internet typically funnels the narrative about a game into being the best or worst. Having a nuanced take is probably difficult when most people already have their minds made up so the effort is appreciated!
I didn't think MGS5's story was great, but I have no idea how much of the blame lies with Kojima and how much lies with Konami - it's surely some kind of split. However, coming up on almost a decade since it's release, I *still* think it is the best sandbox stealth 'em up (or shoot 'em up if that's how you prefer to roll) on the market. The variety of things you could do, the number of "oh, there's no way this is gon-- holy fuck, it actually worked!" moments - it was great. 2015 was a beautiful year for games: MGS5, SOMA, and Bloodborne; that's a blessed year.
I think people treat the game too harshly. I think that it has some of the best defensive combat of any game, period. The base assaults on the outposts and later the main base are baller as hell and no other game came close to them. Yeah, they needed more work and were deeply damaged by the attempt at moneygrubbing but they were still great in the core.
I said it then and I'll say it now: I'm just glad that Konami dropped the "Solid" suffix, putting Survive canonically outside of Kojima's part of the franchise.
I don't think you realize kojima made metal gear and metal gear solid, so by having metal gear in the title you are still inside of kojima's part of the franchise.
@@11th_defender51 Kojima's involvement in the first two Metal Gears was only to salvage them (especially the first one). Solid was the first completely directed by him, so that's what I consider "his part of the franchise".
To quote a famous professional Among Us player, Metal Gear Survive was the first "Strand-Type" video game. And speaking of Konami sucking, man I hope Eiyuden Chronicle is good.
You are wrong about the "violates the basics of good UI design". Having the UI in the center is better becasue that's where the action is happening. So you can both focus on the gameplay and see the needed information at the same time. It might not matter much for this game, but for competetive games or MMO raids where there's a lot to track it can make all the difference. So it's not that this game has bad UI. It's that he UI doesn't do much for this game.
If instead of zombies it was just other military forces from around the world, they could have had a 10x better game, if it had good missions, progression, and mechanics flat out a good game, they already had the blueprint for a hugely better game if they wanted to use it.
Ngl why do u keep saying V its 5 my dude like good video but like do u dislike roman numerals and refuse to acknowledge that they correlate to numbers ?
I'm on my third playthrough of this game, deleting the avatar after the endgame, and emptying the storage, i really like stealthily moving around hoarding stuff and that survival stuff. Never bothered about the kojima debate, i play games that seem fun, my fun is not dictated by some drama the internet feels the need to shove in my face, i'm also a game developer and i appreciate the effort put in by whoever made this game to make it look and feel different than mgsv.
Fun Fact, Kojima was fired because of money mismanagement and hiring over expensive Hollywood actors along with copyrighted music. There's also another fact, Kojima also funnel money to developed the PT demo which was the final straw for Konami.
paid 5 dollars, have 118 hours as of writing this. will probably get on tomorrow and play some more of it. it's truly a good game in the end. maybe not a good METAL GEAR game. but it is a good game, labeling aside.
7:20 Metal Gear Survive would have gotten 10/10s and huge praises from fans if it was exactly the same game but had "Directed by Hideo Kojima" on it. Death Stranding would have had half the reception and middling praise if it didn't have "Directed by Hideo Kojima" on it. Gamers really are like brand fanatics sometimes. The kinds of people who'd pay 3x as much because it has an Adidas or Supreme logo on a jacket or watch. Doesn't matter if it's actually a shoddily designed product; they just want to throw money at the things they idolize.
What is that song at the 12 minute mark? Also I'm sad that they don't question if being part of a hivemind is a loss of free will or not; If all communication becomes perfectly efficient between any number of people, is that killing free will or just all wills collectively forming a single truth from instant non-stop perfect understanding between each other?
As long as it's not mandatory. I'll have nothing but well wishes for people who want to join a hivemind, but if they attempt to force me into it with violence i'd die before giving up my sovereignty.
I'm not a Kojima or MGS fan but I have never once heard people suggest that MGS4 was a drop in quality or that Kojima had dropped from his pedestal as this Tetramorre dude seems to be suggesting. Sounds more like a hardcore fan going off of his own take/the take of a few other hardcore fans as opposed to a popular consensus lol.
It was, both in story and in gameplay depth, to the fanbase. While people are finding reasons to like it nowadays, it’s usually in the negative “this game is so bad it’s good” sense, or perhaps overlooking elements of it in order to find the good stuff hidden underneath. All I’m doing with that statement is parroting popular consensus lol
@@Tetramorre The game has a 94 critic score and 8.8 user score on Metacritic. I've been around Kojima fans for a long time and this video is the very first time I've ever heard anyone suggest this. Again, I have to believe it's a very small minority.
@@fraundakelmbrilpondaprost90 Feel free to feel that way, but consensus among the majority of mgs fans has been that the original trilogy is better than 4 Peace Walker and V, and that 4 is the turning point for quality. You needn't look further than other MGS content creators to know that.
maybe a year of polish and some better melee would have saved this game, i can say it was one of my favorite zombie survival games but the drama and severe lack of polish killed it.
Tetramorre's hot take is available over at ruclips.net/video/chmmRrtq5lo/видео.html
@PatricianTV Where the zombies the main enemy you fought in MGSV? And 2 it’s probably having something to do with zombie survival. Idk that’s what I think. Anyway have a good one.
Slight correction “Zombie survival in Metal Gear” is what I was referring to.
As wise Governor Armstrong once said: "Nanomachines, son!"
Exactly, he didn't say "Pachinko machines, son!"
Wasn't he Senator, not Governor?
@@friedipar It is governor, his source is that he made it up!
Winston Churchill later stole and used that quote in one of his own speeches
This game was truly the first Spearing Fence game that paved way for the classics we have today.
It truly speared through the fences of petty genres 😤
The first Spear-Fence type game.
@@shioq. A Spearslike?
Spearwarriors V was my childhood. Shoutoot to the knife fence community
I played Death Stranding a few months ago and the parallels to Survive are just fucking insane. Even down to miniscule shit like a mysterious, official-looking black guy with a weird name giving you orders (die-hardman and goodluck), or the focus on corpses and crystals. Personally, my guess is that Death Stranding is the game Kojima wanted to make for a while, and when Konami shitcanned him, he took the opportunity to make it for real.
Konami "Shitcanned" Kojima because he was wasting Time & Money on stuff he shouldn't of been doing. Like, P.T. that he did under Konami's nose when he was supposed to be working on MGSV. Ya'know the game that was suppose to make them back all the money that Kojima wasted(literally pushing Konami into the "red")? The Game that's completely unfinished? Yeah that game, and eventually it did make the money lost back, but only a year after it's release. So please, praise Kojima some more when in reality he was just as much in the wrong; if not more, as Konami. I would of fired him too if I was his boss. That's not even going into the huge ego he had, and the fanbase influencing that.
@@ikeaira8701It's funny, my boner for MGS1-3 and hate boner for Phantom -Menace- Pain had me slightly conflicted about your comment, but I have to agree lol. While games are an art, they're also an industry and if you're fucking around with other people's money, you're going to find out sooner or later
@@ikeaira8701 damn, someone's salty af. He literally just said they shitcanned him- a euphemism for firing him. That's an objective fact. You don't have to love or hate Kojima to recognise that yes, Konami got rid of Kojima, rightly or wrongly.
@@lewisyeadon4046 damn, you missed my entire point and hyperfocusing on something I wasn't even angry about xD
@@ikeaira8701 Your point was pointless, your anger obvious.
The fence and the spear are two of humankind's oldest tools. The spear to keep evil at bay, and the fence to bring that which is good closer.
You can say whatever you want about the game, but the fact that the Lord of Dust couldn't die because it "doesn't understand the concept of death" is fucking rad.
Dragons in Skyrim: What IS death?
The weirdest part of Survive is the people that worked on it, you have Masahiro Ito doing monster designs and the director of the game was the coding or gameplay director of MGS4. You mentioned the detection ring, and that was from 4 to assist with detecting where enemies were based on noise (given half the game is an active warzone) so I wonder if it was his idea and he carried it into Survive or what.
I know the views are low on this one, but this is one of your best vids to date. Tetramorre is a delight to have.
They would have been fine if it had been a $10 or so expansion that just got added as a mode to MGSV
Yeah, instead, in this game you pay 10$ (or...maybe it was 5$? Idk) per save file!
Truly, an innovation in monetizing non-mmo-type games. It's clear where the endgame priorities lie at Konami, lol.
There is too much content for 10 dollar expansion and completely new mechanix
@Jaknife101 its not a save file but character.
I was more upset over the overall tyranny going on (and is still going on) in Konami offices. They have cameras everywhere poised on their staff, the staff are expected to work overtime without pay, their toilet and food breaks are heavily regulated and their contracts are outright atrocious.
What this entire circus told me was that on principle, I shouldn't buy any product from Konami. Kochima is just a side issue to me, something that underlines just how predatory the influential and the CEOs in Japan can be (a very prevalent issue btw). I prefer to focus on how they treat their general staff and it is... just downright awful.
That is why I dislike Konami, because they, as a company, deserve as much criticism as is thrown at them, in fact, they could do with more (so long as the general staff isn't the target).
The fact they are still standing and profiting with such awful setup for their staff is downright awful.
Part of that tough work ethic is what made Japan such an impressive country when it comes to industry and innovation. I think the US could learn a few things from them. That being said, workers shouldn't be treated like cattle unless they work in fast food.
Hi welcome to Japanese workplaces. Every office in Japan is as bad, or worse, as Konami lol. It's a big reason why Japan has no births or economic future.
@@jmarra07 "Tough work ethic" is just trading long term growth for short term pleasure. It's a suicide pact in practice lol. Have you seen Japan's birthrates or debt to GDP ratio? Thanks LDP.
White collar workers are the only ones who should be treated like that though. The more expensive the worker, the more need to make sure they aren't malingering or shirking work, duh. Fast food workers aren't worth the investment just hire another high schooler lol. No one actually cares if their burger is a minute or two late because it's a low cost item. A missed burger sale is literally nothing for McDonald's but a missed hour or two of coding productivity by Microsoft is potentially lethal down the road, just look at Windows ME's disastrous launch because of how lazy office workers fucked around instead of knuckling down.
Anyway it's why those oppressive surveillance cameras only exist for salarymen in Japan. They realize, as anyone who studies worker productivity and management theory for more than an hour does, that office workers are much lazier and morally weaker than fast food (or any food) workers. It's sad that office workers are so pathetic they need that extrinsic motivation though, they're basically animals in their ability to control their work ethic. The less a chance they have to reproduce the better society is though, which is why they have forced overtime and timed bathroom breaks. No time for salaryman to have kids means less chance for Japanese culture to go to the dogs.
Street food workers in Japan do that naturally by waking up at 3 AM to go to market to buy food for shift, which starts at 5 AM and ends at 8 PM, for their 15 hours a day 7 days a week sigma grindset. It's because of that that farmers, welders, and food workers will eventually inherit the Japanese soil and (literally) rebirth the nation, because they have kids who learn the family trade.
Konami is a legitimately bad company, but I despise how people want to ignore their actual tangible evil they do to employees, only to focus on whining about pachinko machines and saying Death Stranding Beta Version here is anything worse than mediocre.
@@hereniho Exactly. For people when it comes to Konami, it's either you're on the company's side or you're on Kojima's side. I personally couldn't care less about Kojima, but what Konami did to his team is only a tiny, highly-publicized part of a pattern of reprehensible behavior on the part of the company.
They are the picture of capitalist greed. Just look at what's happening recently - they've come back to publish more Silent Hill games, milking that dead IP for all it's worth now that the Japanese government is cracking down on Pachinko parlors. And everyone's all happy and excited, forgetting everything they did to Team Silent and the Silent Hill IP after SH3?
The general public should be ashamed of themselves for so readily supporting a company with a history of employee rights abuses as long as Konami's. Developers deserve better than to have their suffering brushed under the rug and forgotten at the first chance for some shiny, vapid new toy.
I kinda liked survive. Some of the stuff with the tower defense was really fun. MGS with melee weapons beyond knives or vibroswords is neat. It felt like dlc, but it wasnt the garbage everyone thought it was.
I agree
Oh it's still garbage. But there's nothing wrong with liking garbage.
@@Largentina. Right!?! Take possum's for example, they freaking love trash and there's nothing wrong with it!!
@@Largentina. Survive isn't garbage. It is however just an average zombie survival game with Metal Gear title slapped onto it.
It's claimed to be worse than it is because of the Kojima vs Konami controversy, rather than because of it's actual quality.
Still the funniest thing for me about PP that crazy fans predicted the main plot twist (you know which one) in Ground Zeroes long before release of PP.
Tbf i think Kojima kinda shoot himself in the foot on that one. Replacing Big bosses voice actor was going to make people pay a lot more attention to anything snake says just by the virtue of not being used to it and so hearing the same voice come from a completely random other character is kind of a dead giveaway. Altho then again i recall a lot of people going with the "nah man thats way too obvious for Kojima" line of thought so maybe it was all a big 5D chees play
People generally forget that Konami has been setting up for a transition in leadership. From a man who used to repair jukeboxes for a living to a guy with a business degree.
The latter didn't really like how Kojima was given so much leeway or his rockstar attitude and lack of deference to his superiors in the company.
On top of that there was a lot of flak being thrown at Kojima (as head of Konami Digital Entertainment) within Konami Holdings because he'd basically ignored the rise of the extremely profitable mobile market.
There was a lot of mess going on there.
A lot of mess is an understatement that was the shitshow of Kojima's Ego clashing with the rest of the company, down to the gambling side of Konami products. It was a nuclear disaster.
Patrician's musical cutaways continue to amuse me.
The zombies all look like they are wearing party hats.
I unironically liked this game, only because of its setting. I aplaud the developers for what they did in the face of bureaucracy, lack of Hideo, and under the brutal thumb of Konami
You might be the only RUclipsr who I can both respect for having an opinion and disrespect for not having an opinion. This plague will never be stopped it seems
33:25 wait the nanomachine that keeps looping back in time to "Eat" instead of just eating the origin of the world makes more sense ??? wtf
4 Is a masterpiece and the multiplayer was so fun, I played thousands of hours of MGO2
Tetramorre: "it is better than Metal Gear Solid 2."
WHAT
😉
Eh. I can see it. I'd probably agree, if I played Survive
nice bait
@@Currrdo only bait if I can’t back it up
@@Tetramorre Ugh, Google deleted my message for describing V as "jimini c*****throat". Where was I? Ah, MGS2 was the perfectly honed, near-perfect puzzle-stealth game for me, best in the series. Afterwards Kojima went full feature creep and never got back in shape. I mean, did you ever eat snakes in MGS3? I never felt no need. Used camouflage? Maybe once or twice. All of his games since MGS2 were full of that superfluous bullshit and I hated it. As for V, there was so much to pick from and so many ways to go that it turned into Wallmart.
Y'know even as one of the weird Survive defenders, I can't say I've ever called it or heard it called better than a main line entry before.
I would have given this game a chance and maybe even enjoyed it if it weren't for the fucking Microtransactions and online functions.
I got it on discount it's honestly not as bad as everyone is saying. Its a solid game regardless. At the end of the day its still part kojima's old team. There's alot of fun gameplay mechanics and ideas wrapped up in it. Its pretty damn hard at times too. I'd give it a solid 7.5-8 out of 10. It honestly got some unfair hate since reviews of it are bearly a couple hours in. On the fly base defense and exploration is a pretty fun combo.
0:52 on first glance i thought those crystals on the zombies heads were party hats
At the End of the Day... Kojima said, Metal Gear Rising 2 would have Nanomachine Zombies.
And Konami thought "People like all of his Ideas, lets just do that!"
Seeing serious discussion on a much maligned game is needed thanks. Your content is the most thorough and "authoritative" I can point to.
Was so excited to watch a 4 hour mgs v video from a creator I didn't know until he hit me with that absolutely abysmal mgs 2 take right at the end
Suit yourself friend
I've played Survive for 590 hours. I paid $5 for it. The endgame is great and really deserves more attention.
Like at 17:50 when you're talking about how annoying it is to individually extract a few hundred kuban each from the zombie corpses-- the game makes that so tedious and unrewarding as a way of spurring you to not do it. You're supposed to learn to get most of your kuban energy from multiplayer, from the salvage missions. You get tens of thousands of kuban for doing a mission on easy, and on extreme you'll be getting millions of kuban just for one S+ rank.
Survive was originally conceived as basically the Metal Gear equivalent to Call of Duty's zombie mode--a mode intended for multiple players, not solo outings (except for the most hardcore). All this material is great criticism of the single player portion of the game, but if you consider that the single player was never intended to be part of the final product, and was made and added on in the tail end of the entire game's conception and production, I think a lot of things get put in a more understandable context.
I also have to say at 19:30 the Exploration Teams have a really important use in the endgame which you seemed to overlook: like the rare Styptic powder, Titanium Alloy is also very hard to find in Survive's single player mode. Well, again, you're not meant to farm it that way. You can send your Exploration team off on missions near the end game to get huge amounts of these rare resources (there is a daily rotation for different material types), and it's only by using this team that I was able to keep enough Titanium in my inventory at all to use the highest level weapons and gear the game has to offer. Doing salvages gives you a supply of a little bit of almost every material in the game, so whatever you're getting from that is meant to be supplemented by your Exploration Teams. It's not useful at first because you don't have enough food and supplies to send a team out on the harder missions to gather these larger bounties of materials.
Kind of wish you had mentioned that the game gives the player free SV coins for logging on during the weekends. V uses MB coins almost exactly like Survive uses SV coins. The extra resource gathering in both games is unlocked thru these currencies. An extra character is an extra base. I hear you when you're accusing the Survive Defenders of being victim of the sunk cost fallacy, but consider that maybe I've played almost 600 hours of this game because I simply enjoy beating zombies over their collective heads with a Jet Axe from Metal Gear Revengeance while wearing the Sneaking Suit from V, and that playing with up to 3 friends doing this is pretty good as far as "hamster wheels" go. I put in an extra $5 after I bought the game to afford an extra character slot and an extra loadout slot, and since then I've earned enough simply from logging in to buy a 3rd character slot. You don't actually have to pay to earn SV coins.
36 hours in Survive isn't even enough to get into the endgame loop. Did you play an Extreme salvage mission? You probably haven't seen all the game has to offer until you've felt the pressure of 10 lanes of wanderers, bombers, XOF gunners, trackers, a devastator, and Frostbite all bearing down on you and your team at once. This game was made with the multiplayer aspect primarily in mind, and the single player was added on in a rather short time span before its release. The single player campaign literally must be "survived" and, yes, it's a slog, it's hard, but it gets easier the entire way, and you don't really start to see the full game until you hit the endgame. You have 40 levels to gain in the main class, and 4 more subclasses of 29 levels each to earn and experience. (For reference it took me over 300 hours to max out all the subclasses.) You mentioned a few times in the video how few people made it thru the story--even fewer have made it to where the game we were intended to play really lies. You can like it or not, but it was damn fun for me to fight me way to my own slice of Heaven with Survive.
Anyways, I know this is a long comment and I'm pretty critical, but I like this game and I've seen a lot of inaccurate information going around about it for a while now, so I just wanted to throw in how I see things since I didn't see much of my perspective in your video.
- Look, so much water!
- Where? We are standing in the middle of a desert.
- Just dig 30 meters deep and you'll see what I see, dumbo. All you need is 5 bucks to buy that shovel from me.
[a week later]
- Hey up there, I need a rope!
- That's another 5 bucks. Having fun yet?
@@Maggerama You're not wrong; Survive is not fun for everyone, and is not made to please everyone. It's made to be a decent amount of "work" to do in order to carve out your own way of playing it in the long run. But, do you know how wells are made? And how valuable a well of unlimited water in the desert is? Now if you'll stop complaining and hand me that shovel...
@@RossOfRoni No way, I paid for it! But seriously, beautiful answer, man. I have no further beefs with you.
@@RossOfRoni 5 bucks
As one of the handful of people who also played to the endgame - I can say definitively yes this was some of the most engaging, thrilling gameplay there was. The Extreme missions with 3 other competent lads was an absolute ball.
Unfortunately the early game tedium, TACTICAL FENCE SPEAR ACTION, mind numbing resource management, and shameless MGS piggybacking really gated some good gameplay.
Not mention I still have the constant “Captain…” droning burnt into my head.
I really hope you read this, it’s one of the cooler facts I know about Kojima and his mentality about his development mindset that a lot of people overlook:
You mention early on how not many people know Developers by name. Kojima recognized this. Except he recognized it back in the 80s.
It’s why he put his name on so much stuff. It’s why he is so unabashedly in your face about his own personal marketing strategies. Because he came from an industry that would forget those who made it, and credit the publishing house and not the game developer. “You wouldn’t do it with the author of a book so why would he not?”
That.
So the very fact we know who he is, proves he was right all along.
The only other prominent developers I know? Yoshi P, Uematsu, Soken ( ff game music for both of them) Sakurai, Miyamoto, and Miyazaki.
That’s about it. And all of them do the same thing Kojima does to an extent.
So the next time Darksyde Phil rages at Kojima it’s always fun to remember that the very fact he knows Kojima’s name gives him the winning hand.
It’s awesome. I love it. I love it so much. He will be remembered. A legacy. And that’s awesome. I wish I would be remembered…
I actually really tried liking this, but like, 20 hours in and like, I felt like I was still struggling, it felt like i never progressed and everything felt like a pain in the ass to do.
This feels like a fan mod overhaul away of being a really fun survival game is what i took away from it.
too bad the mob mentality pushed a lot of people away. People that potentially could of added mods to the game's landscape to improve it. There are SOME nice mods out there now, but it def could of been much more of a community if the mob didn't push peeps away.
Was not expecting a Legally Blonde bit but thats a subscribe, fantastic.
guess we need a Death Stranding review now
Death Stranding was good. It was a very chill terrain traversal game. It's too bad the trike was so buggy that you could Bethesda jump your way around the map.
Shit game. Terrible story and boring, repetitive gameplay
@@Dueilangoisseus Terrible story except Cliff's parts*
23:25 You can pronounce it however you like, it's ancient Greek. Arr-kay-ah is usually how I say it, they're a kind of cousin to bacteria and only ever really come up in relation to microbiology.
Really good video that helped me answer the questions i had with the game before buying it
"This is really sad. And I love it"
-Tetramorre and every other MGS fan.
in 2031 i'm going to play metal gear survive, I swear it on blood.
I don't care if the servers have been down for a decade I WILL FIND A WAY.
"long man bad"
I see you are a man of culture as well. Long live the Don
Watching this makes me think that I would enjoy you doing a video on MGS2 specifically.
This is a game i would totally play but only as a free weekly epic games store game
I like how you bring other youtubers in.
32:15 was that the PlayStation 2 boot up screen?
I love Survive.
It was my introduction to Metal Gear.
It's cool, but hard. I have yet to experience the entirety of the game, partly because...
The game begins where the story ends.
Really, the story is basically a long tutorial/gear unlocking mechanism.
The true meat of Survive is in the online ops, which are hard in solo.
None of my friends have either ps4s or the game, and I never really wanted to Squad up with randoms from Brazil or North Africa, so I never could get to play online.
Endgame multiplayer is lit af. The gear and guns you get to use is crazy fun. Explosive and every element rounds, grim rounds for %200 crits. Legendary gear sets with some nice passives. Game at the start, is a trash fire. Game at the end in multiplayer, is really fun.
I havnt made it to endgame yet, and I'm not big on multiplayer.
I love this game for the survival, traversing the mist with no map, using lights to try and navigate, while maintaining you needs and oxygen.
Trying to sneak through zombies and quietly open a cache so you dont get swarmed. Its fun, I wish that was the multiplayer lol
The only thing I ever liked about the scale, was the post game campaign and the multiplayer. The difficulty of finding those “special creatures” scattered around the dust just made the completionist inside of me want to finish it.
I honestly have never cared about Metal Gear as a franchise, so I’ve always found it incredibly strange how people idolize Kojima for literally anything he does
I admire the franchise but I wonder the same. How can everyone asume that everything is his idea. Even in the first metal gear solid, the idea were not new, the foundation was in movies and it was plainly obvious. Kojima just put it together. I'll admite that the experience was deeper and more complex than any other similar game but there was an entire team behind.
I always feel uncomfortable with that situation.
Is it my imagination or did Pat just recreate Laughing Wallaby?
Goddamit Pat now I have to take a 15 minuet break due to going both blind and deaf, you should have put a warning that Yong Yeah and Rotund Sterling would be in this.
Warn a guy next time
What was that musical song?
Whipped into Shape from Legally Blonde
@@Patrician LOL. I forgot about Reese With a Spoon.
@@Patrician A man of true culture.
Had to go back and listen to that outro again. Pat really hit us with the inshallah 😂
5:48 - Deadnaming Stephonknee Sterling. 4 shame
Shut
@@braydencharles6188 your dilator?
Jim 'i can't stop whining about everyone hating my videos because i'm mentally ill rather than facing up to the reality that it's because their quality has just dropped off a cliff and i pushed all my irrelevant hobbies and quirky alternate lifestyle fetishes into them' Sterling.
@@eazyv2069 The sub drop started before Jim's transtion but it definitely didn't help.
@@thedude5294 That's my point. Jim can't face the reality nobody cares about his gay failed wrestling career he tried to inject into his videos, or the horrible skits he gives more attention than anything anyone in his audience watched him for which he's gradually made more and more prominent. Instead he likes to scream and moan about how really he's just facing vicious unjustifiable Internet terrorist persecution because he's let his fetishes run wild and the world is unironically out to murder him in cold blood. Jim's just kind of pathetic at this point tbh, with a decent side of downright delusion.
God I love how all your video lengths are like perfect. Such a random thing I know xD
40 minutes on MG survive. Guess im in for a ride
Metal Gear Survive?
That's a name I haven't heard in a long time
Good content right here.
"Better than MGS 2" are words usually met with curiosity and reason here in the online spaces, so I look forward to seeing that video! I subbed as soon as heard about the MGS V one since we like'em long around here, plus it was nice to have already done so before PatTV said anything. He done own me down here, I do as I please!
Seriously, it was nice to see a different take on this game. I haven't played it, but the internet typically funnels the narrative about a game into being the best or worst. Having a nuanced take is probably difficult when most people already have their minds made up so the effort is appreciated!
5:16 - oh wow. I forgot about White Whang!
Wow, what a bombshell to end on
I actually had a more violent version that's posted on the second channel
Legally blonde musical is a real sign of class
Stealing vanity slots from terraria is like the best idea that almost every game with stat bonuses on equipment should consider
Could someone help me with the rod and serpent trophy?
Lord of dust sounds like a dark souls boss
Wait Metal Gear Survive's story is basically Fallout 1 + New Vegas : D.U.S.T?
Letting you know I am still playing MG Survive in 2024 😊
Its painful to hear V instead of 5. Why you doing this? Are we here just to suffer?
They had it coming, frankly.
He played you like a damn fiddle.
gezzzz, V = 5 not " vee"
Kojima did direct Metal Gear Survive, it’s called Death Stranding
I just watched the Tetramore 4 hour video the previous day neato
Great video. You should review another game though. 😁😁
I didn't think MGS5's story was great, but I have no idea how much of the blame lies with Kojima and how much lies with Konami - it's surely some kind of split. However, coming up on almost a decade since it's release, I *still* think it is the best sandbox stealth 'em up (or shoot 'em up if that's how you prefer to roll) on the market. The variety of things you could do, the number of "oh, there's no way this is gon-- holy fuck, it actually worked!" moments - it was great. 2015 was a beautiful year for games: MGS5, SOMA, and Bloodborne; that's a blessed year.
I think people treat the game too harshly. I think that it has some of the best defensive combat of any game, period. The base assaults on the outposts and later the main base are baller as hell and no other game came close to them. Yeah, they needed more work and were deeply damaged by the attempt at moneygrubbing but they were still great in the core.
Great video.
Your voices are really similar to each other...
Anybody who says Survive is dumb bc it has zombies and wormholes definitely only played the intro of MGSV
Just started a new playthrough this is great
Guys I have a question if anybody played this game, how do I spawn bosses?
I have killed big mouth 1 time and then the other boss never spawned.
I said it then and I'll say it now: I'm just glad that Konami dropped the "Solid" suffix, putting Survive canonically outside of Kojima's part of the franchise.
I don't think you realize kojima made metal gear and metal gear solid, so by having metal gear in the title you are still inside of kojima's part of the franchise.
@@11th_defender51 Kojima's involvement in the first two Metal Gears was only to salvage them (especially the first one). Solid was the first completely directed by him, so that's what I consider "his part of the franchise".
@@IDSearcher I get it
To quote a famous professional Among Us player, Metal Gear Survive was the first "Strand-Type" video game.
And speaking of Konami sucking, man I hope Eiyuden Chronicle is good.
Oh wow haha
You are wrong about the "violates the basics of good UI design". Having the UI in the center is better becasue that's where the action is happening.
So you can both focus on the gameplay and see the needed information at the same time.
It might not matter much for this game, but for competetive games or MMO raids where there's a lot to track it can make all the difference.
So it's not that this game has bad UI. It's that he UI doesn't do much for this game.
hello from 2031, the game is still working but the servers are all based out of Uzbekistan
MGS Vee
Metal Gear Inquisition
16% completion is way more than most games
the mgs engine would make a great medieval stealth action game focus on a fantastical 11ce
If instead of zombies it was just other military forces from around the world, they could have had a 10x better game, if it had good missions, progression, and mechanics flat out a good game, they already had the blueprint for a hugely better game if they wanted to use it.
Ngl why do u keep saying V its 5 my dude like good video but like do u dislike roman numerals and refuse to acknowledge that they correlate to numbers ?
My most viewed video is on a series that only does roman numerals
@@Patrician yh but why the u keeps saying v its strangeeeee
Kojima said himself that it is "V" and not five
I'm on my third playthrough of this game, deleting the avatar after the endgame, and emptying the storage, i really like stealthily moving around hoarding stuff and that survival stuff. Never bothered about the kojima debate, i play games that seem fun, my fun is not dictated by some drama the internet feels the need to shove in my face, i'm also a game developer and i appreciate the effort put in by whoever made this game to make it look and feel different than mgsv.
39:26
So I suppose those are your patrons lying there face down in the dirt, yeah? I guess you do hold them hostage with your insightful commentary.
Fun Fact, Kojima was fired because of money mismanagement and hiring over expensive Hollywood actors along with copyrighted music.
There's also another fact, Kojima also funnel money to developed the PT demo which was the final straw for Konami.
These things are true.
MGS 5 didn't have zombies. They were soldiers taken over by parasites
Cope
paid 5 dollars, have 118 hours as of writing this. will probably get on tomorrow and play some more of it. it's truly a good game in the end. maybe not a good METAL GEAR game. but it is a good game, labeling aside.
Metal gear solid 4 is awesome
is it just me or did YongYea get jacked recently?
7:20
Metal Gear Survive would have gotten 10/10s and huge praises from fans if it was exactly the same game but had "Directed by Hideo Kojima" on it.
Death Stranding would have had half the reception and middling praise if it didn't have "Directed by Hideo Kojima" on it.
Gamers really are like brand fanatics sometimes. The kinds of people who'd pay 3x as much because it has an Adidas or Supreme logo on a jacket or watch. Doesn't matter if it's actually a shoddily designed product; they just want to throw money at the things they idolize.
More like PatricianRadio... Because your videos are mostly an audio experience
What is that song at the 12 minute mark? Also I'm sad that they don't question if being part of a hivemind is a loss of free will or not; If all communication becomes perfectly efficient between any number of people, is that killing free will or just all wills collectively forming a single truth from instant non-stop perfect understanding between each other?
As long as it's not mandatory.
I'll have nothing but well wishes for people who want to join a hivemind, but if they attempt to force me into it with violence i'd die before giving up my sovereignty.
I really like her uh, "armor" .... 😘
whish you'd refered to mgsv less clinically, phanton pain is a mere 3 syllables, v sounds so awkward
I think Kojima is a good game designer, but as a writer and storyteller there is much to be desired
I'm not a Kojima or MGS fan but I have never once heard people suggest that MGS4 was a drop in quality or that Kojima had dropped from his pedestal as this Tetramorre dude seems to be suggesting. Sounds more like a hardcore fan going off of his own take/the take of a few other hardcore fans as opposed to a popular consensus lol.
It was, both in story and in gameplay depth, to the fanbase. While people are finding reasons to like it nowadays, it’s usually in the negative “this game is so bad it’s good” sense, or perhaps overlooking elements of it in order to find the good stuff hidden underneath. All I’m doing with that statement is parroting popular consensus lol
@@Tetramorre The game has a 94 critic score and 8.8 user score on Metacritic. I've been around Kojima fans for a long time and this video is the very first time I've ever heard anyone suggest this. Again, I have to believe it's a very small minority.
@@fraundakelmbrilpondaprost90 Feel free to feel that way, but consensus among the majority of mgs fans has been that the original trilogy is better than 4 Peace Walker and V, and that 4 is the turning point for quality. You needn't look further than other MGS content creators to know that.
@@Tetramorre lol yes you needn't look further than content creators to form opinions or recall reality 🙄
@@Tetramorre Yeah this is right. 4, Peace Walker, and V are when the series got really good instead of just a generic PSX-style game.
Kinda So glad you’re not calling it 5
maybe a year of polish and some better melee would have saved this game, i can say it was one of my favorite zombie survival games but the drama and severe lack of polish killed it.