I enjoyed the video as I think about getting mine all together. I hope you kept the pedal toe straps--they are perfect for holding the front wheel in place like you did with the bungee. Killer deal for free! Looks like you moved it along at an extremely reasonable price.
Here's a little bit of a history lesson on cassettes/freehubs: Shimano started doing them in 1980 with 5 and 6 speed clusters. The early cassettes were known as Uniglide (UG) and did not use a lock ring like modern cassettes. The smallest cog was threaded and there were threads on the outside of the freehub body. The freehub splines were also uniform and evenly spaced, unlike today where you have the narrow spline with the wide notch. With these, you use two chain whips, one to hold the cassette and the other to loosen the threaded small cog. When Shimano moved to 7 speed, they redesigned the cog profiles to better work with indexed systems and improve shifting performance, so this is when Hyperglide (HG) came out. The first HG freehub bodies were backward compatable to UG cassettes and had the external threading to allow a UG cassette to be installed. This bike's freehub is one such hub. Once Shimano went to 8 speed, they ditched the UG compatability and those are the freehub bodies we see still see today. I have a 1986 Ritchey mountain bike that came from Ritchey equipped with Dura Ace hubs and a 6 speed UG cassette on the back. Pretty cool to see how these things have evolved over the years. The 90s in particular was a period of great technological advancements with both components and frame materials both in road and mountain bikes. I always like the Epic frames because they still looked like a traditional lugged steel frame which is much prettier than a bonded carbon frame (like what Trek was building in this era).
@@jerryavalos9610 Most, if not all, of the 7 speed mountain bike stuff had that too. I've got some bikes with Deore XT, Deore DX, Deore LX, and STX 7 speed freehubs that I believe are all backward compatible to UG cassettes.
I brought almost the same one but with complete 105 8 speed groupeset for 80€ three months ago. I just swapped the 105 wheelset with a dura-ace one I had laying around.
I think you did a nice job. Its an old bike so one cant think they are getting 2022 bike. I would say start high so theres room to negotiate even though you got the bike for free you put time to fix it up and ready to ride. My starting price $350 .
Hang the bike by the seat pos especially on a car on fiber frame. The clamp has the potential to crush the frame . Also by hanging it by the seat post it will hang lower in the front so you won’t need to use a bunjee cord to k ep the front still.
Hi Paul, I know it's usually recommended not to clap a carbon TT but I always make sure to claim it very gently and do go for the seat post if I need to be rougher with it. So I think if you're gentle with it, it's worth clamping the TT for the convenience.
Those are Shimano "aero pedals" from the late 80s thru early 90s. Either PD-A550, PD-1050, or PD-7400 - Exage, 105 or Dura-ace. It should be stamped on the back. Unfortunately the toe cages on those are broken - the straps, plate and bolts should be fine though. If you want replacement clips, there is a shapeways up with replacement printed clips called "Road Bike Toe Clip Shimano PD-A550." Given all varieties use the same shimano-exclusive 3-bolt system, the original metal or plastic ones are hard to find and expensive when up for sale.
List it for $250 OBO and see what happens. Also with rust like that, a dremel with the wire wheel attachment take that rust off way easier and faster, it also gets in the grooves unlike sandpaper. Just my 2 cents method. Sweet ride man!
Evaporust all the things! On skewers, I typically use 0000 or 000 grade steel wool and it will get the rust off pretty nicely without scratching the chrome. If it's heavier, dip it in the Evaporust and it will come out looking nice if the metal isn't already pitted. Even if it is, still better than all that rust.
@@BruceChastain I wish brother. My mom has a place down in Bonita Springs. I live up here in WV. It's all good if your gonna trash it or whatever. Just thought it would be good for the build.
@@gator3-234 I just listed it on FB marketplace, I have it up for $10, I think it came out to another $10 for shipping. But if you send in an offer of $5 I'll accept it for you. facebook.com/marketplace/item/808784913820545/
If the free hub body is 31mm, it can only take 7 speed cassettes. If it's 35mm, it can take 8 thru 10....possibly 11. If you were keeping it...AND if it was 7spd only....AND you wanted to update to 8 or more speeds you could swap the free hub.
You probably could get 200 bucks for that bike, I can see someone buying it and upgrading everything on it, it would probably make a pretty sweet project bike
I would list for $125. Possibly less because of the tires. You MIGHT be able to press your luck at $175 but I consider that greedy given known issues. Edit: If the tires were still good I'd list for $200 with a negotiation down to $150 . It really are the tires that drag the value down. Also I've seen seven speed cassets on Amazon. Given six/seven/eight speeds chair the same chain that suggests to me similar enough gear spacing. You MIGHT could convert it to an eight speed but I dunno.
thanks Andrew. I was thinking to start at $150 and work down from there, wouldn't be surprised if it ends up going for $100. Yeah the tires are the only thing I'd call wrong with it other then just being old. And it's a shame because they're not that old either, I guess they just don't last long sitting around.
Nice bike man! In Europe this bike would be considered as a well maintained good looking bike from a known brand. I think it would sell over here for €400,00 plus.
The "value" of an old bike like this is very subjective. I'm not at all surprised this bike sold for $150. I would have paid you $200 for it before the work you did, but then, I have the tools and know-how to get it running as you did, and I like having a couple of bikes around that I can offer to guests who need re-introducing to cycling.
I'd sell that for $300 CAD in Ontario all day long. Yes it's old but someone will appreciate how unique it is and the look is cool no matter what. Cassette wise, your lucky to have never discovered a 7 speed freehub body. They were "pre-8 speed" and can ONLY fit a 7 speed cassette. I've tried so .any times to take a wheelset like that and change it out to 8 speed. But the body is too short for 8, which is super annoying. If you want you can likely take the freehub body off and replace it with a 8-11 speed freehub.
@@BruceChastain yeah for sure, I'm most cases it's fine to leave but if it was your personal bike and wanted to upgrade. It's possible (or just get a nicer wheelset)
UPDATE: I posted it up for sale at $150, in less then a day it sold for full asking price.
Where do you list?
I would have bought it.
Dirt cheap
I enjoyed the video as I think about getting mine all together. I hope you kept the pedal toe straps--they are perfect for holding the front wheel in place like you did with the bungee. Killer deal for free! Looks like you moved it along at an extremely reasonable price.
I just gave my top of the line early Specialized EPIC to my grandson... near mint, no issues.
Cool bike.
Here's a little bit of a history lesson on cassettes/freehubs: Shimano started doing them in 1980 with 5 and 6 speed clusters. The early cassettes were known as Uniglide (UG) and did not use a lock ring like modern cassettes. The smallest cog was threaded and there were threads on the outside of the freehub body. The freehub splines were also uniform and evenly spaced, unlike today where you have the narrow spline with the wide notch. With these, you use two chain whips, one to hold the cassette and the other to loosen the threaded small cog. When Shimano moved to 7 speed, they redesigned the cog profiles to better work with indexed systems and improve shifting performance, so this is when Hyperglide (HG) came out. The first HG freehub bodies were backward compatable to UG cassettes and had the external threading to allow a UG cassette to be installed. This bike's freehub is one such hub. Once Shimano went to 8 speed, they ditched the UG compatability and those are the freehub bodies we see still see today.
I have a 1986 Ritchey mountain bike that came from Ritchey equipped with Dura Ace hubs and a 6 speed UG cassette on the back. Pretty cool to see how these things have evolved over the years. The 90s in particular was a period of great technological advancements with both components and frame materials both in road and mountain bikes. I always like the Epic frames because they still looked like a traditional lugged steel frame which is much prettier than a bonded carbon frame (like what Trek was building in this era).
thanks for the background ABB, now I know a little bit more. And yeah me too, if there frame where smaller I'd like to keep it.
I have several 7 speed Shimano 1055 hubs, these are "transition" hubs that can use both Uniglide and Hyperglide.
@@jerryavalos9610 Most, if not all, of the 7 speed mountain bike stuff had that too. I've got some bikes with Deore XT, Deore DX, Deore LX, and STX 7 speed freehubs that I believe are all backward compatible to UG cassettes.
18:55 that's the best way to wrap a bar tape .. ❤
Cool bike. Sometimes wd-40 helps with removing sticker glue residue. Here in Belgium, that bike in its current condition is worth at least 80€.
thanks Carlos, yeah I have used wd-40 for that too.
I brought almost the same one but with complete 105 8 speed groupeset for 80€ three months ago. I just swapped the 105 wheelset with a dura-ace one I had laying around.
nice!
I think you did a nice job. Its an old bike so one cant think they are getting 2022 bike. I would say start high so theres room to negotiate even though you got the bike for free you put time to fix it up and ready to ride. My starting price $350 .
thanks Tim, I don't know but I don't think folks around here in Florida will see the value.
very cool you brought it back up to riding status. I hate seeing these bikes sit and collect dust then corrode away.
thanks NOS! Me too!
10k subs Bruce!!! Well done and thanks for all the videos
Thanks a lot Jake! We're in the middle of moving, but I'll be back at it when we get settled down.
I have the exact same bike with the same components. The main triangle is carbon. The rear triangle is aluminum. It s sweet riding bike.
nice, if it fit me I would have been real tempted to keep it.
Got a trek 2100 pro. Looking at getting a Allez Epic. Watch the lugs. They are bonded and some fail.
Thanks TD!
@@BruceChastain Oh, and for the price. I see them sell for around 200 in nice shape.
If I saw an ad for that bike I’d be ok paying $150. I really prefer the classic road bike aesthetic mixed with 90s over anything current
thanks Static D! me too.
100% agree
Hang the bike by the seat pos especially on a car on fiber frame.
The clamp has the potential to crush the frame . Also by hanging it by the seat post it will hang lower in the front so you won’t need to use a bunjee cord to k ep the front still.
Hi Paul, I know it's usually recommended not to clap a carbon TT but I always make sure to claim it very gently and do go for the seat post if I need to be rougher with it. So I think if you're gentle with it, it's worth clamping the TT for the convenience.
Hi. Just got one of those to. Do you know which were the seatpost diameter on this one? Thank you
sorry I do not, and the bike is sold now so I can't measure.
I thought those tires might been tubular tires at first. Especially with the mavic logo. 😅 250 seems like a good price for the bike.
Haha yeah that's exactly what i was thinking
Those are Shimano "aero pedals" from the late 80s thru early 90s. Either PD-A550, PD-1050, or PD-7400 - Exage, 105 or Dura-ace. It should be stamped on the back. Unfortunately the toe cages on those are broken - the straps, plate and bolts should be fine though. If you want replacement clips, there is a shapeways up with replacement printed clips called "Road Bike Toe Clip Shimano PD-A550." Given all varieties use the same shimano-exclusive 3-bolt system, the original metal or plastic ones are hard to find and expensive when up for sale.
thanks for the info Aubreykun!
Another cool Video!! 👌👌
thanks a lot Juan!
List it for $250 OBO and see what happens. Also with rust like that, a dremel with the wire wheel attachment take that rust off way easier and faster, it also gets in the grooves unlike sandpaper. Just my 2 cents method. Sweet ride man!
thanks Rob!
Evaporust all the things! On skewers, I typically use 0000 or 000 grade steel wool and it will get the rust off pretty nicely without scratching the chrome. If it's heavier, dip it in the Evaporust and it will come out looking nice if the metal isn't already pitted. Even if it is, still better than all that rust.
Any chance you have any more I can buy
sorry no I don't
Dude I'll definitely take the tote rack. Building a vintage 97 Specialized Hardrock GX. I think that would look sweet on it.
Are you in Florida? If you want to meetup somewhere in the Palm Coast area you can have it.
@@BruceChastain I wish brother. My mom has a place down in Bonita Springs. I live up here in WV. It's all good if your gonna trash it or whatever. Just thought it would be good for the build.
How much would it cost to mail it?
@@gator3-234 I just listed it on FB marketplace, I have it up for $10, I think it came out to another $10 for shipping. But if you send in an offer of $5 I'll accept it for you. facebook.com/marketplace/item/808784913820545/
@@BruceChastain I haven't been on Facebook for 3 years. It's all good man no worries.
If the free hub body is 31mm, it can only take 7 speed cassettes. If it's 35mm, it can take 8 thru 10....possibly 11. If you were keeping it...AND if it was 7spd only....AND you wanted to update to 8 or more speeds you could swap the free hub.
thanks Kevin!
Isopropyl alcohol (IPA) is good for removing sticker residue, and safe for the paintwork, cheap too, a 1 litre bottle of 99% IPA will last you ages.
thanks James!
Grease the free hub body also before installing the cassette to prevent corrosion.
I did do that, just didn't mention it in the video.
I used those new pedals he put on. The bearings failed after 6 months of every day use
I never got to use them that much, but I'm not totally surprised to hear that being they're cheap.
@@BruceChastain yeah just trial and error with some of the aliexpress stuff
i have one of those hubs! they're shorter than the usual 8-10 speed
thanks Backtoids
I believe those are the toe clip pedals
yeah I think so but I'm just not sure what sort of shoe contraption attaches to the pedal.
Michelin tyres...goood choice!
It really depends on your local market. Where I am I think I could get around $300 CAD for it
From what everyone seems to be saying used bike are more expensive up in Canada.
Great riding bike, grease the quill on the stem.
I did that too! :)
You probably could get 200 bucks for that bike, I can see someone buying it and upgrading everything on it, it would probably make a pretty sweet project bike
thanks Kristain!
@@BruceChastain you're welcome
The first video in 200 that agrees with me. Tape from top to bottom as I used to do. I think that electrical tape at the top looks TERRIBLE !
id say put it up for $200 and take $150. Its a good bike.
thanks LLoose
That bike frame is amazing, im riding it ( highly modified bike ) nothing original on it . But the frame is so strong
yeah it has a great feel to it.
You might have repacked the headset while you were there.
I would list for $125. Possibly less because of the tires. You MIGHT be able to press your luck at $175 but I consider that greedy given known issues.
Edit: If the tires were still good I'd list for $200 with a negotiation down to $150 . It really are the tires that drag the value down.
Also I've seen seven speed cassets on Amazon. Given six/seven/eight speeds chair the same chain that suggests to me similar enough gear spacing. You MIGHT could convert it to an eight speed but I dunno.
thanks Andrew. I was thinking to start at $150 and work down from there, wouldn't be surprised if it ends up going for $100. Yeah the tires are the only thing I'd call wrong with it other then just being old. And it's a shame because they're not that old either, I guess they just don't last long sitting around.
@@BruceChastain Most likely sat out in weather. Except the rest of the bike isn't all that bad a shape.
I have an older model with Dura-Ace and I would like to get $200
thanks Glen!
Where is it located?
Evaporust for the rust
I did actually use some on the cassette.
I need to know the secret to getting bikes like that for free on FB marketplace. 😮
Wasting too much time on fb market place and being fast
It's so weird to see Epic name on road bike. I'm so used to it being hiend MTB.
Yeah true! When I was doing some searching on this bike mostly all I found was MTB stuff.
Nice bike man! In Europe this bike would be considered as a well maintained good looking bike from a known brand.
I think it would sell over here for €400,00 plus.
Dang really? When I lived in Switzerland I didn't notice bikes being that much more expensive, at least used.
The "value" of an old bike like this is very subjective. I'm not at all surprised this bike sold for $150. I would have paid you $200 for it before the work you did, but then, I have the tools and know-how to get it running as you did, and I like having a couple of bikes around that I can offer to guests who need re-introducing to cycling.
yeah I wish I had the space to keep some extras around, one day maybe :)
I'd sell that for $300 CAD in Ontario all day long. Yes it's old but someone will appreciate how unique it is and the look is cool no matter what.
Cassette wise, your lucky to have never discovered a 7 speed freehub body.
They were "pre-8 speed" and can ONLY fit a 7 speed cassette.
I've tried so .any times to take a wheelset like that and change it out to 8 speed. But the body is too short for 8, which is super annoying.
If you want you can likely take the freehub body off and replace it with a 8-11 speed freehub.
thanks Riley, I"m not sure it would really make sense to upgrade this one to 8/9 speed anyway being the DT shifter only has 7 positions.
@@BruceChastain yeah for sure, I'm most cases it's fine to leave but if it was your personal bike and wanted to upgrade. It's possible (or just get a nicer wheelset)
That's a 1994.
Keep it. Do something cool.
If it were size 53 or even 54 I would for sure.
$100
thanks, I was thinking $150, but maybe $100 will be more realistic.
That’s a $100 bike. Maybe $150.
Thanks Peter!
Well it needs a full overhaul your no mechanic $ 125.00 its value.
How much did the bike weigh in?
Sorry if I didn't mention it in the video then I might not have weighed it.