Horizon Hobby - F-16 Falcon - 80mm - Thrust Reverse Mod + Pilot Fatigue Setting!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2021
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#rc #airplane #f16
Rapid, unscheduled disassembly followed by maniacal laughter.... Now THAT's what keeps us coming back. Brian and Camera Crew know how to keep it light!
Glad you enjoyed it. That was hilarious the way everything just POPPED off - that was also an incredibly lucky bounce!!!
Brian, Brian ..Your first landing with reverse thrust and shut down was the coolest RC moment on your channel! Very cool 😎😎😎 the second attempt leaves a lot to be desired 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It was sweet!
@@BrianPhillipsRC I have never seen a landing like that before! Wow you guys did amazing! Plane perfectly in frame and everything!
Had it been me at the controls on the second landing I would have ripped the plane in half lol! Luckily Brian was piloting the bird!
AMAZING JUST AMAZING. Thanks for posting BRIAN. NOT forgetting the great job the CAMARA CREW doses
Thanks Mike!
I’m not half the RC pilot you are, but I’m licensed in full scale helicopters and small planes. I would consider the application of thrust reverse to be a post landing decision. On short final my only thoughts would be go/no go, and I wouldn’t even think about that reverse switch until all 3 wheels are on the ground. Thanks for another awesome video, it’s amazing to see that thing land in such a short distance, and it certainly makes the devil on my shoulder say BUY IT!!! (From your links of course) 😎
Listen to that devil - LOL!!!
Thanks Mama Luigi!!!
That sound when you pass by is amazing ! Sounds like a real jet.
Totally agree!
Awesome explanation and demonstration. This plane is definitely above my skills. Already figured this out when I wrecked my F35 in spectacular fashion in 30 seconds lol. So the other jets I have will look cool on the wall until I'm good lol. You all make this look way easier than it is lol. Good job
Thanks! It is harder then it looks, but so worth it!!!
I was impressed that you looked both ways before crossing the road without asking your camera crew if the road was clear! Nice flying too!
Safety first ;)
Just set up my Viper 90mm with NX10. Your Reverse Thrust setup with Mix was extremely helpful. Currently I am only using the BIND button for Reverse but with the Mix I don't have to bother with the throttle.......it is always full throttle but it is momentary so I can reverse WITHOUT using throttle. Good video. Thanks..........
just ordered one cant wait to get it
You are gonna LOVE IT. It is spectacular!!!!!!!!
Thank you for working that out. Learned a lot watching your video
I didn't actually "work it out" to be fair...I may have worked through it on camera for you all, and was planning to work it out, on my own, but a few others kinda beat me too the chase on this one, namely, Andrew_FlyGuy was the one that really forced my hand ;) I follow his stuff on Instagram, and it came up on my feed. I didn't do it like he did, but I did see his post. Thanks Andrew! Don't mean to take anything away from him.
I had it on the agenda, but we got so busy, and after setting this up a couple times on other planes, I was like...WHAT AM I WAITING FOR?!?!??! It's so easy, and I LOVE the F-16 80mm - gotta be my favorite plane right now.
I built an F-16 years ago then EDF’s were really just starting in the electric planes. This one war powered by a pusher configuration. I was powered by a Himax 2000 KV motor with a 6X 5.5 pusher prop, very fast on 3S 2100 mah packs. I think the WS was about 22+ inches. Not real big but what a blast to fly and belly land in the grass. Wish I had more video on that plane.
So far they've come in a relatively short time!
Beautiful bird! Man that reverse thrust is epic!
Sure is!!!! Thanks ;)
Love the sound. Your sound and the jet.
LOL - Glad you enjoyed it!!! Did I blow out your speakers????
The reverse thrust works like a charm Brian! Great work! I think it cut the roll out distance by half. Must have felt good, no, gratifying landing that thing.
Yes it does! Love the way it works, but it is a lot of extra stress...already tough landings for me. I think with practice, it'll come easier, but I LOVE the satisfaction that comes with these landings!!!
Wow, very cool. Thank you guys.
Thanks!
I would think the Du-Bro brake would be the way to go on that plane. Another great video, Megan.
Maybe I need to try it????
Could YOU imagine coming around the upper corner, on the street, look up & you come face to face with the pilot in the F16? 😂😂😂
That would be awesome!!!!!
P.S. We can hear them, since they fly on the gravel, and we can see the PLOOMS of dust.
I absolutely love the sound of that plane 👍🏻
I’m a green pilot and having a tough time with flaps.
What part are you struggling with?
@@BrianPhillipsRC Normally I can pull some nice landings with my Maule and the Air Tractor right up until I try the flaps. The overall feeling of the planes change so much and I’m bouncing down the runway. Eventually I will get it but I find myself having to full throttle, turning the flaps off and coming around again without them to do a decent landing.
I just set up a new Freewing F22 90mm with the new reverse thruster using pilot fatigue and it works fine. 💪
Very informative. Thank you 🙏.
Thanks!
Thanks Brian.. answered my question about why they don't advertise this option. Iffy on this plane, but that 1st landing was executed perfect, especially with that hot a landing.. Awesome Job
Thanks Skip!
@@BrianPhillipsRC Buddy, that review was right on the nose. Still looks like I need to do something about that rollout. Brakes, bungee corded runway end.... Hmm
Way to go Brian l new it would work. That being said l agree with you using reverse thrust can get you into a tricky situation
Totally! But I'm ALL in now ;)
I put the reverse thrust on a spring switch top rear right on DX8. Simple and no question when it’s on or off
For me, it's not so much knowing if it's on (reverse) or off (forward), but the mechanical steps to move the throttle sick forward full throttle when landing. With practice, this would be a non issue, I suppose, but in the mean time, we've worked out a simple "pilot fatigue" setting.
Beautiful Jet and nice flying. A jet is definitely going to be my next purchase. I have the need for speed.
Nice! When the time comes, we have reviewed several great beginner EDF's or more advanced stuff, if it's just "next" in line ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC I went with an E-flite f15 eagle. Time for some 4S action, lol
Love that first landing
Thanks!
Thanks Brian. Wish I had watched this before launching my new timber into the corn field after I had landed. Pilot Fatigue would of saved me for sure. Luckily not too bad and now all programmed in to save me next time. Like you say it isn't natural to apply a load of throttle on landing as you can never be sure if that switch is in the correct position. 😉
Be super careful with "Pilot Fatigue" setting on prop planes...it could leave you chopped up and unhappy.
Great video Brian:)
Thanks!
NAILED IT !! 💪💥💥
Thanks!
Used a Du-Bro brake on mine. Works great!
Great tip! I'll look into it Roger.
The laugh after that hard landing was priceless!!
I'm glad you enjoyed it too!!!
I agree Brian, a percentage on the display would be great!
I keep asking, and it will eventually be granted!!!
Yeah, it would be nice to be able to put battery % on the customizable telemetry page for the ix series.
Awesome video as usual. I programmed mine the same way, just did the switch a bit different. I like the way you did yours.
Stop knocking yourself lol, you got skills man. Get it up high and just watch how slow you can actually fly this jet. I got my roll outs down to a very acceptable level, but the reverse thrust is so cool I use it anyway. It’s also a great back up for when you come in like fire on accident haha…
I wish I could fly for 26 minutes on a 7000mAh 6S 30C G2 pack, like we did for our Carbon Z Cub SS 2.1m Maiden last night ;) Then I could get some serious practice in!!!
Are you using it flaperons too or can you land it slow flapless?
Great videos, thanks. would like an explanation of how to setup thrust reverse on, say switch A, so when switched to reverse it would automatically add say, 50% reverse thrust. i have several planes with reverse thrust available. thanks again
You can do that for sure. I have shared how to setup the flight modes audio feedback, and this too can be accomplished, if you wish.
Thanks for another great video Brian!
BTW, what’s the CG that’s working the best for you in this F16?
I have no idea about the CG, but you can see how the lipo is positioned... 7000mAh 6S all the way back so the discharge lead is right next to the Rx.
what would you think about mixing in full up flaperons and up elevator with the reverse thrust to add aerodynamic braking?
You could do this, not a bad idea, except you MAY not be touched down yet - and this would not be good ;)
that was sweet Brian
Thanks!
Brian, wonderful video. I'm eyeing the Eflight F-16 Thunderbirds 80mm, and now you have this! Question, the Eflight F-16 Thunderbirds 80mm has no flaps, did you program flaps into this Falcon, or use some sort of y-extension with the aileron channel and the flap channel linked/mixed? Stupid question, but enquiring minds need to know.
Great job Brian. Your a very funny guy. I enjoy your videos.
Glad you like them! thanks for being a part of our channel!
Love that Bird 🐦!!!
It is amazing!
Awesome video, any way to add this to the 70mm F-16? I'm not sure if that motor and ESC are capable.
With the Avian ESC, SURE!
Hi, that is awsome...I'll do it.... also can you explain how to set flaps/flapperon mixing for this plane? thanks!
Ooooh, I'm glad I kept watching. IF YOU USE SAFE SELECT DO NOT SHARE AN AUX!!! Pilot Ryan did this on accident with the 90mm viper and nearly lost it when he activated safe while inverted to demonstrate, it corrected the plane but it also initiated reverse thrust!
Where did Ryan fly the 90mm Viper? I'm not seeing it on his channel.
@@TwoBrosRC idk if the video of it is up yet. He mentioned it umm last night? Sunday? In one of his pilot lounge vids.
WOW - I didn't know he crashed his - LOL, but also, HUGE BUMMER - I hope this is hearsay ;)
Is it EPP foam ?, my favourite looking jet. The plane I always picked to fly on F-18 Interceptor simulator for the Commodore Amiga, 1987 I think.
I thought it was EPO???
It takes someone braver than me to test this. Lol. Thank you for your RC sacrifice Brian Phillips. 🤣
It was a good test, and I should have done it 3 weeks ago when I was on vacation last time ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC It’s appreciated. Side note: Good call on it being squirly once landed. I thought it was just me. I land hot and just let it roll. Thrust reverse will help.
Hey Brian, great flight bro. Just curious if its possible to apply reverse thrust on the BA F18?
With Avian ESC upgrade....since I think that came out JUST BEFORE the SMART ESC's started coming out.
Wow Brian,.. finally a landing we can be proud of. lol For real, (the first one.). You should be able to land in the drive way now.
It's probably possible now...but Camera Crew was nervous.
😆that was entertaining on the last landing.
Thanks ;)
I have not watched all your videos on this f16 but what battery would you recommend in terms of mah? 6000 is good enough in terms of flight time?
I've never used a 6000mAh, so have no idea. I used 5000mAh, 7000mAh, and maybe a 4000mAh. I'd go with whatever you have, since there's room for a large battery, OR batteries, you can pretty much decide what you want for getting the weight far enough back to get the CG where you want it for flare on landings.
Question: Helicopter style reverse/forward.
Could you show how to make a mix for the throttle to be 50/50 with center being neutral. Then +neutral is forward thrust and - neutral is reverse thrust.
Also being able to put it on and off so you could still have 0-100% forward thrust as normal or the 50/50 mix on a Switch.
I would like to tell you how, but haven't actually done it yet. I believe it can be done. If you didn't already know, it'll be like 3-4 mixes...or more.
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......
Now I want to work on this, but I need to get going for the day ;\
@@BrianPhillipsRC Might I suggest the Night Timber for a Guinea pig .
🤜🤛
Then when i’m reeeally comfortable with it, I would try it with the viper and eventually the F-16.
Can’t wait! This could a epic win or a epic fail. Amazing video, either way😎
Thanks for the advice the other day you should check out the eachine f16 550mm 3s 50mm edf on banggood pnp or kit
Coming soon ;) On it's way from China-land
Only 48 mins Brian ? I could watch that f16 allllll day haha
LOOP ;)
Wow, that works better than expected. Thanks Brian for testing this out for us. Any idea if reverse thrust works with any other E-flite jets?
Any that has Avian, or that you ADD ;)
this will be my next plane that will come to my hangar
Do it ;)
Brian question. I installed the available led afterburner ring and installed on channel 6. I use safe also but have not assigned it yet because I just finished building said jet. Can I still install thrust reverse.? Do I still follow your video.? Or do different?
I don't think you need to use ANOTHER channel...just "Y" off the Throttle...then you're set...I thought???? Did you get the HH one or another aftermarket solution? I didn't think the Ring was available from HH yet.
@@BrianPhillipsRC I received the horizon hobby one from Eflite. I ordered from different seller.
I got the trust reverse to work just can’t get it onto a switch. It’s on the rotary knob. And I can’t get safe to a different switch. It’s on a switch right in front of my retract switch which I don’t want. I have the nx10. I’m not good at switching things around on the transmitter.
I've been trying to get my thrust reverse to work on my nx10 for the eflite F16 80mm following every instruction possible and still won't do it. So I don't know what I'm doing rong
Are you waiting TOO LONG to start moving sticks???? This can happen - make sure you JUST plugged it in, and you scroll over right away...
Also, I found out some of the new Habu 50mm was NOT giving the right direction on the aileron input....it was backward, so that's why we had to use the PROGRAMMER. Of course, try it as instructed first, then you can maybe try the left/right backwards.... Just a thought
A good real time unrehearsed video, for myself I could get it in the air but iffy on the landing.
Thanks! This plane is a handful for landings, but so rewarding when she comes in hot and you slow her down with thrust reverse ;)
Love your videos! Would you recommend either the UMX a-10 or F-15 for a first jet?
I would recommend the Habu ( bit.ly/38Kilv1 )for a first EDF, but if you want to get the F-15 ( bit.ly/30RrnlG ), that would be a close second.
A-10 ( bit.ly/2P1i286 ) would be a bit more advanced, unless you're referring to the UMX
@@BrianPhillipsRC Thanks for the reply, yea I am between the UMX A-10 and F15.
with the montages of my planes currently going from charybbe to scylla. I mounted the F16 plane on Thursday and the throttle reverse works. But the servo allowing the front landing gear to close does not work. after the P51, the turn of the F16 grrr.....
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Gotta get in there and figure out if the retract is bad, bogey is bent, or the Rx is messed up...probably the bogey...it's easy to bend :(
@@BrianPhillipsRC it's the servo that handles the panel of the front landing gear. tested it with XBC100 and no work. shall need to replace it... very frustrating on a plane I just bought and haven't flown once yet.
Great great great !
Thanks Terry ;)
LOL!!! The camara crew at 5:24 thur 5:28!! LOL!!
Glad you liked it ;)
Now lets see some 3D flying kicking in that reverse! ;)
Nate and Abby will do that for you - LOL ;)
I am actually surprised that the thrust reverse works as good as it does, given the position of the air intake design for the edf.
Me too, and the fact that HH said it sucked (pun intended - LOL)
I have my reverse set to the bind button, with controllable throttle. land, throttle down hold bind, throttle is now brakeforce.
Can’t make a great landing out of bad approach. You know that from full scale. That wreck was a go around 100%. Reverse once established on the ground. Just like a King Air
true...but it was hilarious to watch, so made for good video - LOL!
In Brian's defense , Ive flown Full scale planes / Helicopter . RC is harder in some respect.
Man I really need to get an NX8.. I'm still stuck with my DX8 G1.. But I'm with you on being nervous to land this f16. I thought it'd be like the T-Bird.. Tho it is similar, the 80mm lands with waaaaaaaaay more speed. Great flyer tho. It truly is such a beauty in the air. Great video as always!
Also, one more thing. You replied to someone on another video. You basically said that once you learn that you can fly anything. It opens up a whole new world of possibilities and it's an amazing feeling. I constantly think about that. Because it's so true. You're so good at explaining things. I know the feeling now, but couldn't put it into words haha but it's something I've only thought of and you've somehow put into words. Hope that makes sense!
Does make sense! I remember VIVIDLY wondering across the world wide web of lies, and seeing plane after plane that I wasn't sure I could handle...then when SAFE was out of the equation...I was like - Ok, now I can REALLY start flying ;)
It's a great feeling, but then when you satisfy this one, you get much poorer - LOL ;)
Update the Firmware on your DX8 G1, and you might be able to do most of what we're doing (I think)
@@BrianPhillipsRC hahaha so very true. I just got the F-16 Falcon 80mm and I'm already planning out what to get next 😅 I really wanna branch out from Eflite and Dynam and try the new Arrows dual 64mm MiG. Would actually love to see it in the channel!
landing gear has some major shock absorption. She can take a beating
I KNOW!!!! She's AMAZING! I did bend the bolt I had added a bit, but took like 2 minutes to straighten that part...the foam repairs were way more time consuming...still maybe 1/2 hours???
Nice tutorial and choice to program reverse thrust bro.
Now, I just bought an FMS 70mm F/A 18 (BTW, We need you flying this majestic EDF man!) that “surprisingly” came with an extra single yellow cable with a single terminal female connector coming off the ESC that FMS customer service told me it is for the reverse thrust of the EDF…. Well? How the heck do I connect this thing in the first place and then will how do I program it? Can you help ?
I do need to do that F-18 - It's on my short list ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC BTW, as anyone of us would do, I just figure it out and I have (all of the sudden) Reverse Thrust on my Brand spanking new FMS 70mm F/A 18 Superhornet; installed the true fire afterburner from fiftytwoeightyRC …. Painted the jet with Maverick’s livery and applied Callie graphics….ready for the maiden!,
My advise would be never hit reverse until you're 100% down and rolling... the idea here is to shorten the roll... looked like you hit it as soon as it touched down on the second bounce which was obviously a bad one. As for the gear... it's amazing! Can't believe no other damage was done! That hit hard! My maiden landing i missed the road and landed in tall grass which was enough to bend the nose gear axel. Little tough love and she's back at it. Got 3 packs in yesterday and had 3 great landings! She's smooth! Oh, I do like the 3 position switch with the one having throttle mixed in.
Love the feeling of sticking the landings with this beauty!
I need to buy this✨
Asap
Do it! It's worth every penny!
YES - F16 bit.ly/3bUUxXv
Reverse thrust makes more sense to me on EDF jets than on something like a Draco.
More NECESSARY for sure ;)
Brian, can you do this on the eflite f16 too?
This is an Eflite F-16???
You mean, can you do this on the 70mm? Not without upgrades. If you want to add an Avian ESC, you could ;)
Of course you’d do thrust reverse!
yes
We had push back F-18 Honets, and Super Honets, back onto the catapult "ALL THE TIME"!!! THEY NEVER SHOW THAT PART!!!
I get the feeling that there is a great potential for a screw up in programming this reverse switch in so its not for the faint hearted unless they have deep pockets.
YES!!! It's totally a thing. I've already made a few mistakes so far, but it's SOOOO much fun, and if you do this on Carbon Z Cub SS 2.1m, for example, now you can back taxi in water - very nice feature!!!
brian what d/r and expos do u reccomend ?
In the Unbox, Build, Radio Setup - Check out the playlist ;)
And that bad landing wasn’t your fault. It was 100% the dude in the car that threw you out of your contort zone. He should respect the edf! Glad to know the F16 can come to a complete stop in about 2 feet.
LOL - Totally ;) He did, but that's the risk I take - LOL!!!
Wouldn't it be safer to put reverse on the bind button so you don't accidentally engage it? That's what I did and works perfect!
If you can get to it fast enough. I can't say I've ever hit the bind button while in flight.
Whoa I might need to cancel my Viper 90mm and order the F-16
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - Keep that one coming!!!! It is AWESOME (I know from experience - but I can't technically tell you this yet - LOL)
@@BrianPhillipsRC 🤣😂 then I need to get both. My wife is going to shoot me when these pre orders you inspired start coming in.
I wish the A-10 64mm nose landing gear was that strong. Breaks too easy.
This plane has SWEET landing gear!
So does the f-18
You can make a unboxing video about the new Xrp a330 neo
Are you offering to send one????
@@BrianPhillipsRC Maybe, I still not got a chance to buy it, it's more expensive than the b737 max9. But its got flaps and new features.
Great Video as always….don’t drop those missiles on your toe…or you ll end up with missile toe…sorry lol.
Better not drop a Camel on there?!?!? ;) LOL
IF it has the Avion esc, couldn't u just setup reverse like the ultimate 3d biplane? 🤔
In a way that is pretty much what you are doing. You don’t have the Unused channel like you do on the ultimate so you have to give it a channel. I gave mine the safe channel.
YES
thanks for showing us this!!! would breaks be more effective?? it seems like thrust reverse is a mighty big risk!?!
We are thinking about trying this too ;) Stay tuned!
Brian, I'm in the market for an F16. I'm thinking about the 70mm e-flite. Is it worth it to spend the extra money and get the 80mm?
If you can fly it, ABSOLUTELY!!!
@@BrianPhillipsRC oh I can fly it. It's landing that I'm worried about LOL
@@punkrawk89 Its a pussy cat on landing, just make sure you have enough runway if you dont plan on using the reverse thrusters....she rolls out for days.
I think the best mod you could try is adding electric brakes to it on the mains only..
I heard this didn't work...from the same guy who told me the Thrust Reverse didn't work too....well, that kinda answers my question :)
Ohhh-Yeahhh A Reverse Sucking! i LUV IT!!! 😜 Hey Brian, An Award Winning Scene, Yeee-Hawww One-Hell-Of-A Crow Hop & Bucked Off Dismount Landing!!! 🤣 *NOTE* Y'alls Have To Chop A Clip Out & Post It As A RUclips #SHORT From 4:00 to 5:33!!! CAUSE IT TWAS FRICKIN HILARIOUS SON! *Just Think Of The Possible Views?! 🤔Thanks
She sucks and blows - total keeper!!! Now I can really get her stopped in time ;)
Hi bro,what the perfect cg for this beauty?cheers from dubai 💪💪
Gotta go with where the battery is in the plane. I like to get the battery as far back as possible to allow for good elevator authority at low speeds. Helps a ton for landings.
I fly with 7000mAh 6S all the way back into the bulkhead where the receiver is mounted.
@@BrianPhillipsRC copy that.thanks for the reply. 💪💪💪
Why not remove or top the tree in the Eagle killing zone?
Not my tree.
Ice touch and go B 🎖
Thanks! I liked it too much too stop!!!
I can see an arrestor cable in the future.
LOL - I've been talking about it, but never do it...
A bait casting reel with the drag set lightly would do it and be easy to reset
Does this come in Plug-N-Play
no, just BNF and ARF Plus
Wow thats huge. I hope i can win that give away
It's not a giveaway???
@@BrianPhillipsRC yeah but any kind of give away even the cheapest give away will be appreciated. I always watching most of heli,plane and drone reviewer in hope to win some. 😅😅
5:20 free replays
LOL - Thanks ;)
Foam spackle
Yes
Acc to my calculation one should never apply reverse thrust to assist in landing in any way shape or form, as it won't help grease landing, instead will make plane to plop on runway.
Once landing has been fully established, reverse thrust or a parachute is to be deployed only to reduce the rollout.
BTW I thought the flaps were invented with sole purpose to help pilots land nice & slow...... otherwise show me that pilot who wanna fly around slow !! haha
CAMERA & Audience PRESSURE is real...U knew that car driver was watching your landing in rear view mirror
Yes...yes...and yes - they were totally stopping to watch, while I was on final ;)
Reverse thrust should be on the bind button
Too hard to reach!!!
@@BrianPhillipsRC that’s kinda the reason you can’t use it till your well in your roll out. That way you don’t touch it too early
good idea
What do you mean pilot fatique?
Pilot Fatigue is when the pilot gets overwhelmed, or is asked to make too many decisions or actions at the same time or in a very short amount of time. This is a thing that happens to real pilots.
Let me know when you've watched the video.
Awesomeness. But only 48 minutes? You could have easily stretched this to over 2 hours. And that first landing was your best ever.
I know, it was a miss, right?!?!?! SUB 1 hour - WHAT THE HECK!?!?!?!?
So totally cool.. but it would be even cooler if the blades still spun in the same direction, BUT exhaust was redirected toward the front of the plane just like reverse thrust on an airliner.
Cool beans, man. Cool beans.
Yeah, a clamshell design would be cool, but even this style is not "real" as there's no such thing as reverse thrust on turbines ;)
I'd love to do that on an airliner - this would be super cool!
Cool but on my 64mm A-10
I don't think it has Avian ESC does it??!??!?! If so, that would be AWESOME!!!!