Shadow of War: Middle Earth™ Unique Orc Encounter & Quotes
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- #152 Unique Uruk-hai/Olog-hai Encounter & Quotes - THE BORE OLOG WHO LIKES TO DWELL ON THE PAST!
For an olog he sure knows a lot of things, guess he studies his history from the map keeper olog in olog college or something but a quote once said "if a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present...", guess he should have known his present will be robbed by somebody soon. Thanks for reading but I don't know what I'm trying to interpret here...
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It seemed like his knowledge of history was his favorite passtime, his greatest pride, especially among his more dimwitted and narrowminded peers. He must have spent years collecting all he could of the world while living in such a barren, savage land. Then you came. You humiliated him repeatedly infront of everyone, and worst of all, you took his knowledge from him. Burned away his vast mental library, and left him without a true purpose or passion in life.
You're a monster.
Javi B What’s the worst part about black pizza or parents? Neither will feed you well
@@tardwrangler um, what
@@tardwrangler I don't know man pizza won't walk out on me
@@tardwrangler There's no excuse for this. Grow up.
@@ananousous nope as a high functioning autistic college student not even it explains it.
I felt so bad for this one, probably the only olog to have thoroughly studied history in Mordor and he had his finals tomorrow. Shame on you!
His final, not mine as I have middle earth to conquer :)
He was more concerned with changing history than preserving those who cared about it.
I felt bad for this one. He was so unique...And his uniqueness was destroyed:(
Yeah that kind of hurt to watch ha, ha, ha.
how good is this game in gameplay alone it looks fun as hell but i dont wanna buy a shit game if it has shit gameplay
A wild Mordor nerd enters the battle, carrying his autographed silmarillion book into battle
*IT....IS....CANON!!!!*
Davros Concord I’m not a rapper, battle battle
Autographed by Elves, by Ainur or by Eru Ilúvatar? Oh - for real - I know - autographed by Melkor suits best.
SERIOUSLY, THE FIRST AGE WAS REALLY COOL GUYS!
*proceeds to bludgeon with the Complete History of Middle Earth bound in leather straps like a flail.
*Signature from Tolkien appears in the book*
Me: Wait that’s illegal
Damn, this guy still has his mind, it’s still intact, but his memory of everything he knew is gone and fleeting. He knows he knows but it never comes to him. Probably one of the most aggravating things
a fate worse than death as they say
Orcish Alzheimers
Play dishonored 2 on the clocktower mission
我喜欢耶稣InfinityTemplar i felt so bad for jindosh, knowing you knew or know but just cant quite remember
Shame on him
I put all of the long talking ones (bard, bore, etc) into one of my forts. Not the toughest defence, but you will have to sit through 4 minutes of dialogue.
Cruel lol
You’re a cruel one, gravewalker...
I think you accidentally made the Cultural center of mordor, with the finest Orc minds on Art music and history.
You Just made Medieval Oxford.
Diogo Teixeira Orcs-ford
I like how he remembers that Dain Ironfoot killed Azog, unlike a certain director...
MrArmystrong85 *cough* Peter Jackson *cough*
MrArmystrong85 i bet Jackson knew, he just wanted to make it dramatic of the rivals killing each other
Kinda ironic seeing as shadow of war is not cannon
It was all for more excitement in the story and a filler to make 3 movies think of how short the movies would be if the orcs chasing the.dwarfs wasnt.in.the plot of the movie the only time you see goblins/orcs(same thing per Tolkien) in the book is goblintown and the battle of the five armies and most of the goblins/orcs were on wargs during the battle but the story was very bland and didn't pull me in at all the desolation of smaug was ok and the battle of the five armies wasn't bad either but the cgi orcs were terible and the trolls look so fucking goofy in the movies even the ones in the battle of the five armies compared to lord of the rings movies this game does offer beautiful references to the canon story but is still very lore breaking
@@kingdomkey-c6886 It could have been done in a way that wouldn't have broken with the books. Just make the Ork hunting them Bolg. And he could even make him all angry about the Dwarves killing his father Azog, which is why he wants to end the line of Durin.
The only olog that can't go deranged but instead he turned from omniscient to normal olog behavior 😂👌
I was actually sad for him... he lost the only thing made him unique :(
Pushkrimp the Outlaw Berserker But why would you even do such a thing. Best thing to do would be placing him in a multiplayer fort so other people can get the references.
Easy there tarks, if i meet him i would recruit and make him overlord immediatly.
@@makaramuss The funniest part is he still is unique among deranged units, as he has a lot more coherent dialogue than most.
@@makaramuss A fate, worse than death...
You're a cruel one Gravewalker.
Brudaaa
Nox Quote from the ranger olog! Bruz quests much!
I think you know da way gravewalker
I couldn’t stop myself from feeling bad for this olog. Damn, you’re as cruel as...that one guy from a long time ago.
;))
His name started with C? Or S?... Can't remember.
@@mr.blackjacket2915 csgo?
Celebrimbor
Morgot
We meet upon the field of battle. Like so many champions before, we test our mettle in the service of our lords and nation, that our masters may redraw the map, and scrawl their names across the blood-spattered parchment of history.
Come! LET US STEER THE FATE OF THE WORLD!
Best, quote, EVER!!
damn i didnt think of that
Followed closely by, "Its all gone!"
If I ever meet someone on the field of battle, I'm going to say this.
Blank Blanky
Be careful, that guy may not be in a mood for long introductions ;)
This is a bloody Berserk quote if I’ve ever seen one.
"Our camp" *Soviet hymn begins to play*
Ben Sam underrated comment
Ben Sam do it for Lord Tachanka
I aprove of this comment
In soviet Mordor Orc brands you
People’s Republic of Mordor
Luga saw the perfect shot and instead of saying anything he just gasped in amazement
I just love comments like these xD
i honestly thought he was unique like one of those kind of guys that take forever to break...but sadly he was just like...just like...just like...hmmm? i can't remember
Downplay THE ONE WHO CRIES LAST wym?? He's the only OLOG that still has a little sanity after getting deranged
Idk about you but thats cool its self
Actually Xavier Leal there are quite a few ologs that keep a little bit of sanity while deranged like that olog who "brings war" just cause their sentences are longer or shorter does not mean they are any less deranged
Downplay THE ONE WHO CRIES LAST it actually does because brain damage can cause shorter sentences from such things as oxygen deprivation or minor brain damage
honestly dude i forgot about this entire argument whatever its about you win...whatever...(-__-)
*When you fight the guy who wrote all those Wikipedia pages*
Lol! Doesn't sounds compliment for the guy tho since wikis editable by anyone
@@ikigaofficial 'editable by anyone' is a technically true but overly used critique. Not saying there aren't some memeworthy edits on wikis, but at the same time a lot of them are still moderated enough to be taken seriously. If there weren't any moderators, you could bet that every page would be filled with sex jokes, r34 pics, and racist trolling.
Americo Zergling if its the truth even if its "overly used" its justifiable. Ik the good and bad of wiki, I used it for my work all the time I just thought using that as a reference for this olog just undermined him in general which means he could use a better reference; middle earth dictionary/ reincarnate of Tolkien etc. 😅
@@AmericanZergling Some of the moderaters are activists, however.
If only they'd change his title, once deranged. Like they did for the Pain-Seeker/Pain-Lover turning into "The Painless".
His would become "The Forgetful", or something.
I know it's months late, but "The Unintelligent" would be a good title as well
Or in a poetic twist of fate. "The Dimwit".
The Ignorant
The Dumb
I like how after awhile he stopped spouting history and just got angry or spoke in a differnt language. Also probably the most diverse deranged diologue I've seen, usually they just have two lines they repeat endlessly, but he had a few more and for specific situations.
I think that's black speech .
@@1awster Super late reply, but yeah, that's the black speech.
All my deranged orcs just sort of cry or go, “NAAAAK NAAAK NAAAAK, mmm, NAK.”
@@severalcakes3267 nak??????
@@vavalaz
They just open their mouths and make this weird squawking noise.
Wait, these guys have school!?!? What?
HAHAHA! School name Monolith University
The Pandidakterion of Mordor is the best university of Middle Earth.
Raptorus77 Well they have scholar orcs.
"come to mordor center of knowladge in middle of earth! And rembember, Eye is watching kids :)"
HAHAHAHAHAHA :D
ikiga 😂😂
Interesting. when deranged he retains some intellect! He seems to actually keep his sanity... somewhat.
Hey mate, then you might like the dwarf hater olog on my #64 encounter ruclips.net/video/H2tzlbzneak/видео.html :)
Oh, I remember that! He had it similar, haha
It’s more like he’s the same but he’s completely distraught over the fact he can no longer remember his history, the one thing other than killing pinkskins that he poured his heart, soul, and mind into. You took his greatest passion and forced him to lose it all.
@@currentlyunderconstruction1128, this gravewalker really is a cruel one
Why name him Az-Gang the Bore when you can name him Az-Gang the Lore ?
:)
Because orcs gave him the name.
Also, late response is late.
@@jonahhudson2052, then they are brutes. Az-Gang is a scholar amongst the orcs
@@Doublemonk0506 a scholar of war
missed oppurtunity
The shaming didn't actually destroy his mind, only his photographic memory
You are saying that he had photographic memory just because he knew a lot?
@@zaishijunior9455 he is saying that the olog actually lived through all that himself
@anhduc0913 is that a possibility? I don't know the life span for orcs and ologs in lotr sorry if I sound stupid for asking
Jesus Ranger was not kidding when he said Talion is a cruel one. I honestly feel like this is the saddest Olog in the game xD.
Killer Shpee This olog and the bard orcs that go “My song! Where’s my song?!” break my heart. Lol
@@StillThatGuy143 I haven’t see either of em yet, but as soon as I see this guy , I’ll get him
Dear uruks come and meet your new history professor Az -gang
Not after the Ranger was done with him
I guess you could call him the *histolog*
when he got deranged we can call him sadolog
ikiga How about the slolog
I would have recruited him when he was still sane
Knowing that you know it, but never rememberin what _it_ was. That's some cruel stuff.
I like the Bore. Probably one of my favourite Ologs.
Then again, I love history, so... XD
Not gonna lie: I feel a bit upset for him when he's deranged XD
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
When the history guy goes insane it's really sad with his lines. The best orcs strike thought or emotion.
Goes to show the harsh life of Mordor even more accurately :)
Why would you derange someone then not kill him? That's so cruel.
Just a typical life in Mordor my mate :)
I can do you one better. I once deranged an Uruk, conquered him later and made him my bodyguard, accidentally dominated his enemy so he died in battle, was ambushed by him later when he cheated death and sought revenge on me, beat the tar out of him so I could dominate him and make him my bodyguard again, and made him fight alongside me when I took over Seregost.
Tomorrow I'm thinking about banishing him and shaming him again. What do you say?
The word "hero" is used very loosely in this game. :P
@@guyofminimalimportance7 to be fair, anything you do to any inhabitant of Mordor is self defense
That Hobbit reference though...
Hobbit reference game strong
Which one is it? My LOTR lore knowledge is not very good
Azazazog.
Azog who chased down Thorin Oakenshield. He played a much bigger role in the movie version of the story though.
Actually no thats not a hobbit thingy because some things in hobbit atleast in movie are pretty much made up, Dain was the one who killed Azog and that was in mines of moria thorin nvr met azog in books
*GRAVE RANGER*
4:57 my heart tore at how sad he was more than he was confident.
I mean orc were bred to wipe out other species on earth so breaking his mind is the most merciful thing one can do :)
You gotta love the many personalities they gave thus uruks
I think I like the idea of history spewing Orc. It's both hilarious and informative
Thanks for sharing. Can't disagree with that :)
when you play with someone whose read the books
Or me when you don't give me an op item in multiplayer games or piss me off... In that order
Hey that pretty good
This is pretty cool, some extra lore sneaked in. I like this guy.
Indeed :)
"Enraged by acrobatics" 😂
😂😂😂
I actually like this olog
He was as wise as this one Olog ... His name starts with R... K... I can't remeber !
This is one of the most under rated and under appreciated channels on RUclips!
Keep it up mate!
I'm truly flattered mate, not sure what to say, guess I will let action speaks louder than words. Thanks :)
I like how he retains some of his mind, he just loses his intellect
I often feel bad after shaming a Orc or Olog. I had one named ____ The Pain-lover and after I shamed him he went insane and lost the ability to feel pain. From then on all he did when he was around was repeat, “I can’t feel it... I can’t feel it... I can’t feel it...” kinda depressing lol
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It can be funny too though. Had one deranged orc save my bacon the other day. Just muttered about "you must be crazy" and shot my attacker in the face
For those of you who don’t know Gondolin was a city that fell before Numenor existed
5:11 talks about Celembrimbor propably.
Probably 😁
Az-Gang just gets it, hes got passion
Dude this shows what a fricking character development the orcs have. Omg great video! I hope you never killed him. Ups wait. Just sen the end. Why didnt you let him stay your enemy?
Hey there, glad that you enjoyed the video :)
Fyi, he's still serving in my army even till these day 3018 years Mordor calender.
sweet
No one:
Not a single soul:
That one communist: 0:23
*Soviet theme song plays*
@@ikigaofficial URA!
Nodel Oliver ARA I mean UMA no *UUURAAAAA!*
"You return from death.. some sort of elven trickery is the most probable explanation."
The funny thing is, he's right.
😁👍🏻
These shamings that target the Orc's main personalities are so heartbreaking. This guy who forgets his history, the singer who loses his ability to write songs. These really make me feel like shaming is even more cruel than anything an orc would do.
Necropost
"Like Dain ironfoot facing Azog." That is freaking amazing!
😁👏🏻👏🏻
Hey fellow mates, if you guys like this olog you might also like:
1. Olog with strong black speech game in my #318 THE HALF TONGUE OLOG encounter ruclips.net/video/XSBTEOB-FVQ/видео.html
2. Racist olog #309 THE PURE/PUREBLOOD OLOG in my #309 encounter ruclips.net/video/_NKQWtTgu0w/видео.html
3. The gloom olog with his own advocates in #50 encounter ruclips.net/video/aYgHrNUFy64/видео.html
im also wondering with sauron ascension does he mean him regaining the one ring and ruling middle earth or something else?
At this point in the game, I guess regaining the ring and by then he should be ruling middle earth
i love these videos! after dozens and dozens of em, you still manage to make it really good and refreshing! :D
Glad that you enjoyed the series! It's all thanks to the game dev making so many personalities out of these orcs :)
So this shows how if an orc or olog is smart enough they can resist the mental scarring of shaming, though not fully mentally competent, he still acts better than screaming, crying, and laughing orcs
In short, this is not a real orc/olog, but what the player wishes to imagine. I mean it make sense because player are human so they want something comprehendible.
Still prefer *real* orc/olog more, those shouting, crying, laughing madness are the real deal 😁
*Shames Uruk* Yeah thats for being a jerk! *Uruk becomes deranged*...and now I feel bad
That's why Mordor isn't for the weak-willed and weak-hearted ;)
Bore: Ragnarok
*Prontera theme plays*
"i like that camp... Correction, I like OUR camp" *cue USSR anthem*
I'd pay for him to be my history professor, an Orc like him deserves to live long...and be part of my army
Good for ya :)
Why is he the Bore!?!?!? He should be the GENIUS!!!!!
Because other uruks gave him his nickname xD
Or the historian
Talion: I thought Azog was killed by Thorin Oakenshield?
Az-Gang: Lier! You die for lies against history!
Actually, Azog was beheaded by Dáin, son of Náin. Movie and game is but a lie very often 😅
Interesting. A history Orc , that would be one I'd recruit for sure! Now I really wonder wat his follower lines are when beng still normal. You could learn so much from him as bodyguard.
0:57 True, Arnor was suffering badly in war and Gondor arrived to help.
😊👍🏻
Wow, that's truly a unique Olog… I want to add him to my ranks… in the Garrison among the other unique captains I have dominated so I could use them in the "Shadow Wars" chapter
Good luck on finding one :)
You're a cruel one ranger.
He was a huge history buff but you made him so deranged that he forgot about history.
So when he becomes insane he just turns into me trying to remember names in history class of important people I problibly don't give a shit about unless they did something that would interest me.
Love how he calls him sauron over just ‘dark lord’
😲😁😁
He's a politician thats why he doing filibusters or a history teacher
LOL! You got me imagining the congress of Mordor with uruk and olog senates when they're debating creating wall to barred Talion from entering baradur
ikiga Sauron as the "President"
Jackson Smith zog as opposition
Hans Sandhu Vote Sauron 2020
Jackson Smith make mordor great again
He's surprisingly well educated for an Olog.
This makes me sad he was so smart
1:11 Hobbit reference
*Bilbo baggins approved*
😂
Stormpants 1 🤭
Man, from what i know from watching all of the movies, and reading all of the Hobbit, this guy has done his research. If only he was in charge of the main story so i didn't have to call this game non-canon.
*HaVe YoU hEaRd Of WhEn MoRgOtH cApTuReD aLl Of ThE bAlRoGs AnD tOrTuReD tHeM tO kIlL kInGdOmS aNd EnSlAvE tHeM?*
Everyone: SHUT THE HELL UP
*ReMeMbEr WhEn SaUrOn GaVe 9 MeN A rInG aNd MaDe ThEm UnKiLlAbLe To WoRk FoR hIm FoReVeR?*
Everyone: *Kills olog*
OINK GOES THE TREE *SNORT* OINK
Everyone: NNNOOOOOOO
Thats the moment when
I CAN SMELL THE SUN!
3:57
#autismawareness
4:26 oh shit, he turned into Joe Biden.
😅😅😅😅😅
My man.👉😎👉
One of the most intelligent olog and then the ranger rocks up and gives him depression.
Shame
Anyone speak Black Speech? I'd like to know what he said at 3:53 and 4:09
Yea that got me curious too but I think one of these line mention something about one ring to rule it all or something close to that.
I heard 'Gorzneg' in one of 'em. something 'endless' something.
ikiga if it was about the ring it would be ash nazg
"you are strong but today your strength wont save you."
Ikiga are you excited for the new Uruks/Ologs coming in the dlcs?
NovaCaneKills11 yaya I'm really curious to see what're the new orc they gonna introduce, did they showcase it on their dlc trailer? Don't remember seeing one though
Yes the devs released a new stream about ithe upcoming dlc
ikiga Not in the trailer I think, but in the stream they did recently.
Lennart Speetzen thanks :)
ikiga if you can find a storm bringer
i found it soo cool that he mentioned azog
😁👍🏻👍🏻
He is very unimpressed by you coming back. Because he did his research into elven magic to help him fight you better.
If he doesnt have the fast adaption perk (I forgot what its called) imma be angy.
Thanks for sharing. Tbh if he did research my capability of coming back eternally then he won't be unimpressed but being bored and hopeless instead 😅
Even if they're immune to everything they're still easy to take down if you make good use of chaotic and environmental factors 🤭
If Issac from the Castlevania Netflix series was there, he would have recruited him and both would have had a nice conversation about middle earth history before going to pillage camps
If Gerax from MK11 was there, he would have feed him to the sand after a nice exchange of historical events ofc 😅
Ay Dain vs Azog was referenced. I’ve seen enough, I’m satisfied.
😌😌😌
2:08 best quote of the video
*Enraged by acrobatics*
Smarter than my entire class COMBINED....
😅😅😅
Weird, most of these Orcs have a better vocabulary than Trump.
Guess thats the real
*Make something something Great Again* before it was cool 🧐
Missed opportunity to have him or the historian have their bodies tattooed with historical moments.
Missed the opportunity by not having him in the graduation hat.
So you die, just like that…. That one elf….. From a long time ago.
You...You must be the weakest man...start with a k or somethin...
i know the uruks and ologs are pretty much an invasive species in mordor, but damn if they don't make me cry with how far they fall when they become deranged. yes, they're here to wipe out all other races, but holy fuck. they have intellect. they have culture. they even have unspoken social rules and hierarchy amongst themselves, and some become quite learnéd men-- er, orcs. to see something flawed but human fall apart like a human would is just unbearable imo.
side note: "the demented" would have been a cruel but funny title to replace "the bore", if only to reference dementia, the most common form of dementia being Alzheimer's Disease.
Thanks for sharing. I like the way you put it and the elaboration is objectively on point unlike some "invasive" comments who criticize for the sake of it/propagate their "morality" high ground, this is a game for Dark Lord's sake, if breaking mind is wrong, brainwashing/dominating erm ain't no different 🤪
Back to the topic while I appreciate and enjoyed the game to its fullest thanks to all the orc personalities, creative quotes, nemesis mechanism and stuff but still orc depicted in it is still too farfetched for my liking (compared to canon) but its a good one nonetheless.
@@ikigaofficial thank you for entertaining my rambling, lmao. honestly while i'm kind of in the same boat about these orcs compared to canon, i have to admit a (now obvious) fondness for deep thought and creative world-building with even enemy races!
Alexei the feeling is mutual friend. Can't disagree with that LOTR + orc lover! 😁🤟🏻
"I'm Heavy Weapons Orc"
"Ya-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta ya-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta do-de-da-va-da-da-dada! Kaboom-Kaboom!"
After watching this video I remember a lot about the things that happens and the choices I make while playing this game , and sometimes I don't know how to feel about a orc , I don't like they and they obviously don't like me too but sometimes they are soo unique I want to have they on my side , but they don't want that ,they want to kill me or broke me , soo I broke them instead ,and I feel bad for some of them , They born to be evil but some are not ,they want to be more , they are greedy and proud of who they are even they are monster to most people , They sing , learn about history and champions , some are proud of their disease and use them as proof of their body strength .they are like kids that want to be seem by their parents , they want to be looked upon by their brothers of blood and battle .And they are going to do everything they can to reach this goal .
Soo they try everything to be unique , they don't want to be just a shadow in a army they want to be command ,soo they can show they are different .
I just realize they are not chaotic evil , They are lawful evil , They do bad things and they want to fight every time it's possible , but they are loyal .They fight for Sauron and for their brothers and they kill themselves because they just want to be the favorite son when finally comes from his trip.
That's one hella emotional roller coaster. Good ride.
@@ikigaofficial I'm already out of this park ,but indeed was a hell of a ride , And it's not about what you see , it's about how you see and what you do with the knowledge.
I really feel bad with some orcs and kill then by mercy ,others I see as a prey instead of a hunter and run from them for a long time ,but sometimes someone I underestimated come back stronger and didn't know if I suppose to be scary or proud.
0:31
Az Gang I think you should turn around, I think your Banner bearer is having a seizure.
HAHAHA! Too windy I guess
Omg ,youre a monster smh . But ,u have a new subscriber
LOL! At first I was like "This shrakh again" then I was like "I'm amazed" 😁🖖🏻
5:19 my history knowlege : from a long time ago
in Tolkens works no one is irredemable, just let that sink in
EXCEPT this is the WD's Tolkien we're talking about 😅
Small nrain for that big head wait no no small head for dat big brain
😅😅🤪
"Not much of a Kingdom without a king"
me: Oh shit, Burn!
"Minas Tirith will fall, just as Gondolin did"
me: OOOOH SHIT MEGA BURN!!!
I like to imagine he has a library and reading glasses and a large red chair
and an uruk maid braiding his hair
Deranged he is still the smartest olog 😂😂😂
*Doubt* 😅😅
The most educated Orc in Mordor. I guess their education system is way better there than Gondor.
*Gondorian triggered*
meanwhile *Talion nodding*
Hee we have a noble patriot. One with honor in his heart and not a trace of evil. Noble, loyal, faithful to his god. Willing to fight and die for his god, and inspired to learn all the history of orc kind.
How does Sauran treat such noble disciples?
He would have fed him to a giant alien spider. At least that isn't as bad as what you did to him.
Thanks for sharing. Nice read tho I gotta disagree with him being noble, honor, angelic intention, etc etc. They were all bred for war, to kill us the human and other races, their infighting is worst than one can imagine let alone them being honor but I can respect his craving for knowledge in this case the history.
Indeed. Breaking his mind/brain washing is to mercy-est thing one can do to him :)
Well, knowledge that he use to have anyway.