I dont know what they expected, honestly. If you look at how many people actually finished remake and crunch the numbers, how many people ended up buying Rebirth checks out. It's not a standalone game, and thus it was never going to sell as much as the first entry. And that is not even taking into consideration that much fewer people own a ps5 than ps4, and that we currently live in a time when a lot of households are struggling financially. So yeah, reconsidering that exclusivity deal is probably a good idea.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu It might not be, but I think it'll help some. Especially if they're strategic about their releases. But yeah, I mean overall I believe we also just need to wait for slightly better times. People are still recovering from a minor recession, after all. At least where I'm from.
It doesn’t help that they botched the story with that multiverse nonsense. I’ve bought both Remake and Rebirth, but after that ending I’m not sure I want the last part. If I do get it, it will be when it’s on sale.
if square could stop working with Sugary infant company, we wouldnt have things like censorship in the recent DQ III remake. e.g. "Is Dragon Quest III Remake a Censored Mess?" by ScouterVee
PC is by far the largest market, it has been for over 15 years and it's larger than all three consoles combined these days, by not immediately releasing their games on PC, more specifically on Steam where 95+% of PC gamers are, SquareEnix is cutting itself off millions upon millions of potential customers. Releasing their games 2 years after is not going to cut it, by that point the hype is long gone.
@@lstsoul4376 lol I’m old school just drop it on PS4 or drop them prices. The most on a console you getting $300 maybe $400 max. And $50 on a game so I can wait two years in this economy
Every single one of their game does not meet their sale expectations…maybe they should change the one making those expectations and the budget accordingly…
This. At some point they should realize that it’s their analyst who aren’t qualified to make predictions and not the games themselves that are underperforming.
I think they made a mistake splitting this game into 3 standalone titles. It’s a big ask for a gamer to buy all three titles. And if they don’t play remake, they’re not gonna play rebirth.
@@nunorodrigues320 you do see the difference between the original ff7 and remake? Like graphics, game mechanics, full voicover etc? It takes alot more resources to make ff7 remake than the original one.
Squere Enix need to lower their expectations. When was the last time they were happy with sales? Rebirth is an PS5 exclusive and a second installment in a trilogy. Squere Enix is a joke when it comes to expectations. They're never happy. Also they need to release PC version alongside PS5 version. They releasing PC version 1 year after the premiere and expecting people to buy it. Hype train is over by that time.
They would be dying to have FF13 or FF15 sales with Rebirth. The "Square's expectations are too high" argument is complete bs. Final Fantasy used to print money regardless of this PS5 vs PC nonsense and the reality is 16 and Rebirth are just not performing financially
I honestly love Remake and Rebirth, and I'm 100% in the camp that believes future mainline games should be looking to them for cues moving forward. The hybrid action/ATB combat systems are incredible with a ton of potential, and I think Rebirth does a lot right with its world and setting in a way that FEELS very open world-esque without sacrificing story. And rather than feeling aesthetically pleasing but empty and lifeless like a lot of big games do, Rebirth is full of life and absolutely packed with stuff to do. There's room for improvement for sure, but I think it's going in the right direction. I enjoyed FFXVI, but personally I just don't think it's the direction the series should be going. FFVIIR is where it's at as far as I'm concerned.
Plus all the stuff you could do in Rebirth was crazy. Sure the mini games were a bit much but the option is there for stuff to do. Plus the battle system was top notch with all the options you had for attacks and the like. I personally loved 16 but I'll even admit that if it had a system like Rebirth had it would make a great game even better
Its amazing how people can have different takeaways. i feel like the way they did the open world felt very "UbisoftOpenWorldTM" And i think it took away from the game, making it feel more like a chore because it makes you feel like you HAVE to explore, but a lot of what you are doing is just Samey and unrewarding in a lot of cases and i certainly hope they don't do that again with the 3rd. also i feel like the story (especially later) was just lazily planned and written the way it was just to was off any criticisms/questions of the game and potentially the future one with "multiverse timelines" the combat is a better direction but i don't want that to just be the way forward. FF has always been consistently changing itself and i feel they SHOULDN'T stick with it but keep innovating. One thing they SHOULDN'T do is FF16 battle again!
@@kyteurisuke4429 I think in my case, I felt there was enough variety in the gameplay that some of the more repetitive things didn't bug me too much. It definitely did get overwhelming occasionally, having so much to accomplish, but I just sort of paced myself and largely enjoyed the experience. Personally I also didn't find it unrewarding. Everything went toward upgrading characters or party in some significant way, so I felt a sense of satisfaction in completing different tasks. Plus I largely felt the sidequests were much improved on Remake, with more interesting NPCs and character-focused interactions. I DO< however, think it would be kind of cool to see FF games in the future go back to having more secrets to find rather than just having everything marked on a map before you get there. Kind of takes away some of the magic, imo. Like I mentioned, definitely room for improvement! The story is another beast entirely and there's a reason I didn't dwell on it lol. I thought the multiverse thing had potential in Remake --- feeling a lot more nervous after this one. I'm trying not to worry about it too much and just enjoy the ride. I don't think story in PARTICULAR is something where future FF needs to take cues from VIIR, but I do think the character interactions and relationship building is top notch. And I think the story apart from a few things here and there is fine up until a somewhat muddled ending. In any case, I don't mean to say I just want the combat from now on to ALWAYS just be modeled after Remake. But personally I feel like it's a good place to take inspiration from going forward. Remake and Rebirth have my favorite combat system in probably the whole series. I just find it to be a blast in a way I've never experienced with any other game. And I do think there's more they could do with it.
@@orga7777 I would think not since all this multiverse stuff feels kind of meta and hinges heavily on its relationship to the first game. In general though, yes, in terms of story, I hope this isn't the kind of thing they try to repeat.
You think it being Sony exclusive is the reason for low sales? Looking at how Remake and 16 were received on PC tells a different story. 16 just came out on PC this week and peak for that games been 22k. As much as PC guys like to talk about day and date releases, they sure fail to show up when it comes time to back up those claims.
@@wind1574having a brain is hard huh? If you actually think they could fit all of 7 into one game then you're crazy. Plus they said they were going to split it months before remake came out. That tired excuse got old before remake even came out
@@aeolussvichi7680 I think making games so expensive that you need sales in the tens of millions to have good returns and then not releasing them in every platform you possibly can during the initial release sales peak is a stupid move. but rant on buddy.
SBI detected in forspoken made people very aware that Square is willing to alter their games for a very small percentage of people that dont even play games.
But these games are good. But unfortunately, as you said, exclusivity prevents these games coming out and riding hype waves to the fullest. You are cutting out huge portions of gamers to join the conversation and keep pushing hype.
@@SuperRamos619 yes. they are good games, what i meant was gamers with different platforms just want good games and have it released on said platforms day one. squenix would be printing money if they would stop making deals with distributors.
Not like the PiratesCove users buy games But jokes aside. Their production expenses are too high aiming to the super serious story lines and uncanny grapgical realism
I've said this many times, jRPG crowd is no longer on Playstation. They left during the PS3 era. Playstation fans now only play story driven, third person movie games. The hardcore jRPG crowd is now on Nintendo + PC. Also, for the love of God SE, stop trying to appeal to the action crowd. Turn based is the way to go.
But Persona 3 Reload's sales broke sales records for the entire Persona series at lauch and it is said that mst of the sales came from the PS5 and PS4 versions, and the game wasn't released on the Switch. Granted, it is said that P3R has sold 2 million copies so far, which is less than what FFVII Rebirth has sold, but we have to take into consideration that Persona 3 Reload cost much more less to make compared to FFVII Rebirth
@@pablocasas5906 Dude, Octopath Traveler sold more than 2m on Switch alone, and that in turn, cost a fraction of what Persona 3 Reload cost. Every jRPG maker should make Nintendo their focus platform from now on.
It's almost like splitting a remake of 1 game into 3 parts and adding a convoluted multiverse plotline to the story was a bad idea. Who could've guessed. Not like FF7 fans literal never asked for any of that stuff when they were asking for a regular remake for years or anything.
Exactly. Those Harry Potter dementor rip-off things destroyed FF7's story and formally made plot armor into a plot device. It completely killed all dramatic tension in the cheesiest way possible. Characters that would have survived were magically dragged off to die. Characters that magically survived were then magically killed. It's almost like none of the player's actions mattered. Not to mention it just padded the game with some hours of filler material. I don't understand how anyone who's a fan of the original game could be a fan of Remake unless they just didn't care about plot at all.
@@jonathanchang1574 FF7 fans haven't cared about the plot of FF7 ever since they praised the absolute butchering of Zack's death in Crisis Core by changing it from a stark, sudden death, to a long overly dramatic insert-song opera.
@@jonathanchang1574 I didn't say either of those things. I don't think I have to explain myself further, just re-read my first statement and then actually understand it instead of making up imaginary statements I didn't make.
I agree. They really have to start getting things out day one. I play everything on PC + Steam Deck with a Switch for Nintendo games. Square games are usually a day one pick up for me. But now here I am waiting up to 2 years sometimes for a game. Just starting playing FF16, Still waiting for FF7 Rebirth. I'm literally waiting to throw my money at them. Their sales would have been much better if they weren't stuck with Sony.
Square Enix expectations are too high. Final Fantasy, while a recognised Japanese RPG name, is still very niche among the vast industry of mainstream games. Top that with Rebirth being a sequel of a remake within a remake trilogy, and then top that with exclusivity, it adds to how non-mainstream and niche it is. FFXVI on the other hand is a new game which is more unknowable to FF fans and it shifted away from conventional FF systems which, while in an attempt to have broader appeal as an action game, actually made it more niche also.
Precisely all of this, and to add to it the core gamers of late 90s / early 00s have, for lack of better wording, aged and lost interest in gaming. It's just a natural evolution of gaming and behaviors in general. The reason why games like Fortnite stick is because they are designed to be addictive for new generations to come and it adds content constantly. Plus they are no-brainer games (minimizing it, it's shoot targets), whereas RPG require a bit more brain power.
Square Enix has for the last 15 years had pretty terible profit considering their revenue numbers. So they're objectively underperfoming, but I have to agree that I don't really think the sales are the issue. I think the real issue is that they're spending too much making the games. A lot of their games over the last 15 years have also had a lot of trouble during development and I think that is the real cost they need to cut. They need their operation to run smoother.
Its a bit in the middle I’d say, I see tons of big name content creators mention Final Fantasy. Everyone that plays games somewhat hardcore knows about it. Yet the people that engage with it are less numerous these days. Its also heavily fragmented from spitefull OG fans, shippers, new age FF weebs, specific CBU fans, console vs PC etc. They just have to find a way to combine these numbers. I also really doubt FF7R cost them the most money since this was made in record time and these are still pretty underpayed devs compared to lazy spoiled western devs. The issue is SE wants to be a big player yet their entire offering is JRPGs meaning they will always be the sub top of publishers.
@@chrissquarefan86Yeah gaming is absurdly different now compared to 20, 30 years ago. The audience is completely different and astronomically bigger than ever. Final Fantasy X was a huge deal in 2001, now in 2023, Final Fantasy XVI is a drop in an ocean of games. We’re lucky devs like Square, capcom, namco, Nintendo and Sega/Atlus are still making games for us at all.
My personal experience is that I couldnt buy 16 or FF7R and had to borrow from friends. Poor sales might be because alot of people (myself included) dont have extra funds for 70 dollar games these days. Not to cry a river or anything but the last couple of years have been tough..
yea,that so way too damn much just one game and like the same as limted edtion version of a game and that you can ff7 remake on ps4 for way cheaper then damn 70 dollars.
Games had been 60 dollars for literally decades, while the cost of every other good has gone up because of inflation. 70 dollars today is still a cheaper price than the 60 dollars that FF7 sold for in 90s dollars. Being poor is one thing, but don't blame it on the 70 dollar price tag.
@@GetterRay Thats why i specified its my personal experience. Sure, i can buy a 70 dollar game every now and then. But id rather buy a 20-30 dollar older game thats on sale. But sure im not the only one either.
@@GetterRay Cry all you want, 60 works fine for wukong. 70 only alienates your global customers. Inflation or not, games are not necessities, but entertainment and there are a lot of games that are cheap and more fun than triple A garbage. Keep pushing 70 with this economy, people are not desperate and sooner or later they can buy second hand or with discounts. Yes, lets lose more potential customers and money for short term sales. Idiot.
an in the meantime, they f up FF14 by pushing devs from there to make FF16... and that game is a big mind nothing too... they literally made every old fan run from the game...
Jrpgs are somehow bigger than ever before and also more niche than ever relative to the gigantic modern gaming market. Everyone knew FFX back in 2001. Now FFXVI is a drop in an Olympic sized pool.
Everyone is wrong. In reality there are three, simultaneously correct, interpretations. There's the original timeline interpretation where FF games sell well. There's the Sephiroth timeline interpretation where FF16 and FF7 Rebirth failed to meet sales expectations. And then there's the Zack timeline interpretation, where nobody actually knows anything and the Unknown Journey Continues. Memes aside though, I think it's pretty obvious these games underperformed. And that will be due, in large part, to them being released exclusively on a platform with a relatively small install base at a time when people are hurting economically. It's not an indictment of the games themselves, just a symptom of the circumstances in which they were released.
I think we will in retrospect learn later on how much of a failure the PS5 and modern Sony post 2018 were to gaming. Sure the instal base is decent. But these audiences have hardly any overlap. Most core gamers just play PC these days (the ones that will buy and play Wukong, Space Marine 2, Baldurs Gate 3 etc not beholden to any genre or IP). The PS5 is a nightmare for everyone involved. Name me one franchise that actually grew their IP on PS5? Its the platform which is the kiss of death for your game series. If you want to grow community, fans and expand your player base you need PC, you need Steam.
Assuming you think live service games won't replace the older aaa games SP offline only release model that the industry has been using for decades here. Gamers love sp offline aaa games however the investors do not. Who wins? Investors do not the gamers.
NSP you're basically saying what us classic players have alwayd been saying. But we get crucified when we express these things. As time progresses, more and more of what made an ff game an ff game, is being taken away.
This pretty much, FF games are each installments, less so. And other games that imitate the old FF style are complete ninja successes, color me surprised.
As soon as I saw the weird multiverse angle they went with in Remake, my interest in all subsequent titles was effectively destroyed. I suspect I was not the only one who felt that way.
Likewise... I had been following Remake almost religiously since the 2015 E3 announcement and have since entirely dropped the ongoing VII franchise from my mind. No hate to anyone who does enjoy it but I personally have zero interest in playing it at this point. That being said I am not a purist and did expect changes, just not so extreme that it fundamentally upends and alters the story, characters, and messages that I fell in love with. Also not keen on the fan service at all
@@reesew6599 Yeah I mean I am not a purist either. Remember that awesome dance sequence in the FF7 remake? Well that didn't happen in the original and that's fine. However, like you said I didn't like the extreme divergences in the story such as fate ghosts and alternate realities.
For me the whole...complexity/multiverse-ness killed my interest real quick. Somehow, adding more content made it less interesting. So much padding for a game that's already dense to begin with. I actually went from: "I am so excited see the gang again!" to "I don't give a fuck about any of these people." in less than 10 hours.
@@Nixconvie Remake had a really big issue with padding. Some areas of the game that were dreadfully tedious. I didn’t play rebirth but I suspect it is worse.
@@Gabthar Remake chose the weirdest level to expand - Midgar had less than 5 hours in original game before we were gone, but they decided to pad it to 40+ hours of gameplay. I kept wondering - I should be outside, with the green grass, Midgar as a city is not interesting enough for me to be trapped in there for 40+ hours. And this is BEFORE the time-wimey/multi-verse nonsense they want to shove down our throat. All these new characters with little to zero depth - IDGAF about faux-Seph on a bike or Android-Shota and how did they manage to make Sephiroth *less* threatening even though he's nearly a demi-god here??? All the characters have more lines and yet they seem to say nothing!
Square Enix also made them PlayStation exclusives. Pretty hard to have a blockbuster hit when you tell 2/3 of the way people play games they can't have it. And on top of that the PS5 was hard to get ahold of. Assuming people are going to go buy a $500 console just to play your one or two games is a big ask.
Exactly. Around 60 million PS5s shipped so far and the game may only sell a tenth of that number when all is said and done. The PC version can’t come soon enough for Square, I’m sure.
@@Thorn_416 Games cost less now than they did in the 90s because of inflation. I'm in Canada too, but I'm not going to blame goods and services increasing in price on the greed of developers and pin the blame where its obviously due. A big mac costs 12 dollars now when it used to cost 6. Everything is more expensive, but games relative to everything else has gone up the least.
@@Thorn_416 My point is that it isn't about shareholders wanting growth, its the economics of inflation and your government's poor handling of it that has made every good and service increase in price. The price of games is not the result of corporate greed.
All I really wanted was a reskin of the original with updated graphics… I’m still praying that one day I’ll see a Xenogears remaster in the style of Star Ocean on switch with the missing chapters realized to the original writers vision and not the way they were glossed over on the second disc.
I'm gonna say this now. Square needs to make an FFIX type of FF game right now. They need to go back to their roots but with modern graphics and/or gameplay (ATB or turn based). While I like the current action gameplay, a return to form could make people reminisce the older games while bringing newer fans as well.
Trust me it would not bring newer fans, just older ones. FFXVI is the only final fantasy I can play (I hate turn based combat) and it’s one of my top 5 games of all time. If they keep going in that direction I will be happy 😊
@@thomasmoscrop2747 Ah yes, lets keep you, 1 fan of action games (that has million in markets) and throw way old niche hardcore JRPG fans that even bought shitty remastered games. Very smart
If exclusives are pointless in this day in age, what's the point of Sony and Microsoft being relevant in the console business, it's like they are just there for sake of just simply exsisting
Square - The fans bugged for 20 years for a remake of the beloved FF7 title. Square had a literally gold mine making this title again. Square then makes the game, removed the feel of the game, added a convoluted timeline type storyline to an already solid story and released the game in three $60+ individual games. Also Square - why arent people happy?!?!
Many people who don't have ps5 and would buy ff16 day 1 if it released on PC, will not buy it now because they already watched the entire game story on RUclips and the hype died down.
I don't think there's any reason for us fans to worry. This is just SQEX realizing that remaining exclusive to Sony and PS5 really hurts the potential sales of their games going forward. Don't be surprised if they announce FF16 and Rebirth for Xbox and Rebirth for PC very soon. Heck, they might even port Rebirth to PS4 if they get desperate. FF7R part 3 won't be affected by this and they will continue development that title without compromises. EDIT: Let us not forget about Switch 2. It might not have the beef of the PS5, but an optimized port of Remake and Rebirth would sell like crazy.
FF 16 on Steam was announced over a month ago and is currently on Steam. I believe they told us more than a year ago FF16 was always planned to go to PC but it needed more time to cook in addition to the PS exclusivity they had with Sony.
Rebirth is for sure gonna release for PC, now the question remains of whether it'll release any time soon or not. Also the question of whether or not it will be an Epic Exclusive on top of being a Playstation one like what happened with part 1 of the remake. Technically, the Playstation exclusivity period has expired since May, so idk what they're waiting for. Just take my money at this point. I do not like the fact that Sweet Baby, Inc. has been involved with the making of both games, but I'll still buy it just for the beach scene alone.
Definitely going PlayStation timed exclusive with their big titles are hurting them. It's one of the reasons why they're moving away from that. FF 15 sold very well because it was a multiplatform title from the beginning. FF7 Remake/Rebirth got hurt because of the 6 month PS exclusivity and then the extra 6 month exclusivity on Epic store hurts them financially. So anyone who wanted the game on Steam (which is the biggest platform on PC) had to wait over a year for the game to be released. There's also the fact that they wasted a ton of money on NFTs and other failed life service projects. A lot of their mobile titles weren't profitable.
I think XV sold well because it was once Versus XIII and there was a lot of hype for the game for close to a decade. Most of XV's sales were PlayStation.
Honestly, the Final Fantasy series needs to go back to turn based. You mentioned how beloved Final Fantasy 1-10 is and those all have turn based combat in common. And I agree, they need to release functional PC ports day 1 as well.
I think the problem is that most people are waiting for all three to come out to play them all at once. When i played rebirth, i've forgotten much from the first Remake.
You're right. I'm one of those who wants to play that splitty mess all at once. I've finished the original FF7 about 3 times since the remake came out but I never felt the need to play FF7 remake. It takes years till the next part is getting released. O_o
True, mostly because people just wanna buy a bundle that includes all 3 games at a cheaper price on the same plataform and not having it split by generations i.e. Remake in PS4 and Intergrade in PS5 and now Remake exclusively on the PS5 and who knows where Part 3 will release and also to be able to continue their progress through the trilogy. Imagine not allowing people who started following this project since 2015 and that have invested into 2 different console generations and bought the 2 games in the trilogy to continue their progress across all 3 games and instead only rewarding them with crappy materia for no reason. Like, that's such a slap in the face. Who cares if the characters would be overpowered by that point? Ain't that the point of character progression? Shouldn't enemy difficulty also scale with the players' progress?
Broader audiences just aren't interested in Final Fantasy games. Even content creators on youtube say that Final Fantasy videos/essays aren't doing well. Square has to stop trying to capture new audiences and cater to their already existing fanbase before it disappears completely. Go back to basics. We don't need 10 million dollar eikon fights and 100 hours of cutscenes. Make a classic Final Fantasy game and it will sell like crazy. Back to basics Square. Think about what are Final Fantasy to begin with, and improve on that. Fans have been waiting for 20 years for an actual FF game. Lower your budgets, make a classic game for the fans of the series and it will be a success.
@FloripesTavares Everything Asmongold touches does good. He's a fun guy and has tons of followers. When Asmongold started playing 14 it massively surged in popularity. Every game he plays does. It's the best marketing for the gaming company to have Asmon stream your game. I'm talking about smaller creators. One guy that does videogames essays when asked by me if he would do one on FFVIIR said no cause the amount of work and the vievs FF essays get just doesn't add up. He said he's done it in the past and he won't be doing any FF content cause there's very little interest. I forgot the channel name but the guy is in the middle of a controversy run cause he didn't like Shadow of the Erdtree. I'll link you his channel and you'll see how unerperforming his FF videos are compared to other games. Even the before you buy series on gameranx you can see that FF videos have less vievs. FF just isn't the hot shit anymore. It has a big and loyal audience but it's not a mainstream audience. And I think FF shouldn't try so hard to be mainstream. It shoud go back to its roots and make a perfect FF game for the fans of classic FF. Just my opinion.
I believe you are talking about TheModCracy? He is a From Software guy, it makes sense his FF video its not doing that great, most of the things outside of From Software and DMC doesnt do that well on his channel. I understand what are you trying to say, but a lot of channel does videos and essays about FF and does pretty well, like FF Union and Max Dood. About Gameranx, the FFXVI did 1M views, i think its good? The FFXV video done 2.4M views years ago.
Nah bro I don't think it's that. I feel like they just haven't done it right to breakthrough the mainstream. The right formula and marketing approach I mean. They probably need some Chinese people to market them in the next ff17 game where it will garner some sort virality and be talked about, and if it's a good game it'll just do all the work after that.
You've completely misdiagnosed the problem. If you were really just waiting for another turn based final fantasy, did you play World of Final Fantasy? No? Where are the 10 million sales for that game? Or other turn based games that SE has made since like Octopath or Bravely Default?
Yeah no shit sales didn't meet expectations for FFVII. Square betrayed the player base that would actually bump up those numbers, the OG fans of the OG FFVII because they messed with the ONE thing that didn't need to be touched. THE STORY. I know I'm not going to buy part 3 because of how poorly they handled the BIG moment at the end of Rebirth.
Yeah they not about PS5 much. Think about it, most of the AAA games are western style games like god of war, Spider-Man, last of us, etc don’t appeal to their usual tastes at all. Games that do appeal to them are on ps4/switch already and don’t take bleedly edge specs to run
Releasing as console exclusive for 1-3 years is really not helping. These would have been games I would've bought day 1 on PC, but since it took them several years, my hype died a long time ago and I no longer care, especially after hearing all the negatives about the games.
The real reason FF tries to do different things is because SquareEnix is always trying to be like whatever is popular at the moment. For example: GTAV is the biggest selling game of all time, so they add a car to FFXV. Game of Thrones becomes popular, they make a M-Rated FF game. They even made that Fortnite-style game set in FF7. FF7Rebirth is great but has all these open-world game cliches like towers that reveal stuff on the map. They even named the healer a "medic" in FFXIII because of the popularity of military shooters at the time.
The number doesn't really matter. People ask the same question for other JRPGS without numbers like Tales of. The rule of JRPGs is that they aren't connected most of the time unless it's a direct spinoff.
Id say it has a lot more to do with recent past game launches. 16 followed 13 and 15 which 15 sold great but wasnt well received until the dlc's finished the story. Ff13 i dont really need to comment on because most people dont like it. Ff7 remake split the fanbase and lord foamstars was never going anywhere. There's also a big list of other failures. Square doesnt have a good reputation at the moment and they need to fix internal issues. Yes, releasing on other consoles would help for sure, but it's not the majorly of their problem as a company.
I remember something that NSP said years ago while playing Shadowbringers that really stuck true to me. It was that it felt like for a very long time that Final Fantasy as a series was no longer for me. I really didn't like the direction the series took with 13, 15 and all the 7 games after 7. But then FF14 was like finding a new home. I think that for a lot of the people who were unsatisfied with the direction that FF7R went in did not go out and rush to buy a PS5. The people who miss the darker tone of the Ivalice games, who enjoyed the politics in 12, who like the dark and morally complex themes in 14 were on PC and not on PS5 and are playing FF14. It was a refuge for those of us who are not fans of the Nomura/Tabata era of FF. Making sure that the majority of the FF14 playerbase that is on PC couldn't go and play FF16 was such a dumb decision. Another thing that YoshiP said before 16's release was that he thought that the prestige of FF had gone down in years and most kids know Fortnite more than FF. And that's true. So having FF7 Remake be so totally alienating to anyone who didn't play FF7 with all the time ghosts and alternate timelines that require you to watch Advent Children to understand just drove away anyone new to the series. And FF16 didn't have that same legacy to draw on anymore because people look at it as "the game that comes after FF15". 16 needed that multiplat release in order to reach as many people and regain fans because it simply is not the prestige series that people go and buy consoles for anymore, no matter how deluded the relatively small player base of FF7 fans think it is.
Hey so if Square Enix is smart than they will find a way to put their games like FFVII Rebirth, Remake on the Switch 2 and Square Enix sale problems will some what go away!!!!
@@dragonkinggonzales7676 I've hearing that the Switch 2 will be at least more powerful than a PS4 Pro, some people are saying it would be closer to an Xbox Series S, so I imagine it could run Final Fantasy VII Remake, but I'm not so sure about XVI and VII Rebirth, both of them seem to have problems running on the base PS5. Even if S-E manages to make a sort of miracle port, like how games like NieR: Automata and Ace Combat 7 were ported to the original Switch, I don't know they'll have ready for the Switch 2's launch, and we have to take into consideration how's the exclusivity deal with Sony and how it will affect Part 3
Main issue is that many older fans and normies simply don't trust Square-Enix. As an old school FF player i can tell you (in the 90's/00) that my whole group of friends used to buy every Square game without even looking at a review, it was a seal of quality. Nowadays nearly all have moved over to other franchises.
As an older fan, can confirm. I havent trusted Square since final fantasy 13. Kingdom Hearts 3 was the nail in the coffin. Still interested in their games (on paper), but havent purchased since the first FF7 remake
That's me yeah I've been playing Final Fantasy for over 30 years. I can't say I trust them fully but I'm gonna keep my pitchfork in the shed until we actually see part 3 of the Remake and how it ends.
What I hate about this whole situation is just how long these games are ps exclusive for. It took almost a year and a half for 16 to come out on PC. I guarantee you a lot of PC players stopped waiting for it or caring when it took that long. Rebirth probably won't be on PC until end of 2025 at the earliest. It's just unacceptable. And just because they're no longer doing "exclusivity" probably doesn't even mean timed exclusivity will be over. I guarantee you FF7 part 3 will be stuck on ps for at least a year just like all their other games.
With the cost of producing a AAA game it's really crazy that Square Enix is still doing exclusivity deals with Sony. Even though they port the games to PC after 12-15 months, the initial hype is gone by then so they're still taking a hit on sales.
FF17 Wishlist: - Simultaneous Multi-platform release: Playstation obviously, PC for sure, Nintendo for Japanese audience, Xbox for marketing. - Rebirth FOUNDATION for game design: "Foundation"; e.g. simple changes like different characters in the combat system can greatly shift the experience. - World Map and Playable Party: Cmon now Square you've tried so many times not to include these, and people always say the same thing everytime. - Fresh stand-alone story written by Ishikawa: Ishikawa is the GOAT and we need a story that has no baggage where anyone can jump into. Lastly.... just be a good game 😭
The reason they couldn’t make rebirth into a new numbered title is because to make that many assets is probably so expensive they can only justify it by splitting it into three games and you can’t really split a new game into multiple.
Exclusivity with sony will only end badly for any company at this point. The ps5 pro makes no sense. For a little patience and research. You can make a really great 1440p computer for a roughly similar price.
No point in 3rd party exclusivity anyway, it hurts those companies due to not growing their audience and their brand/ip to a metric ton of others for a quick buck, they missed out on a ton of growth due to exclusives, capcom shows that they missed out on that.
Exclusivity in general has always been a stupid idea in terms of playstation and Xbox plus not having a pc port available on day 1 is also a stupid idea. I can almost guarantee you if they said okay we're from now on gonna make sure both systems and a pc version will be ready on day one that people would wait longer for a game to come out. That way the main 2 systems plus pc would all buy it day one or soon after. Sales would be crazy but they're too stubborn to do it
I do have a few friends that wait for PC releases of FF7R and also FFXVI, problem, the hype dies down and they might push it further down the line. They need to put the games out day1 on PC and they also need to have it bug free and well "ported" or make it the first party platform, the gold standard.
We need to do two things here, SE and us the actual fans (people who actually play new SE games and enjoy them and dont just low-faith-concern-troll about them online) 1. Celebrate the quality and passion these devs are putting out and cherish this. Things weren’t always like this back in the FF13/15 days. 2. Double, triple down on multi platform, Steam especially, and the growing of IP through other entertainment media and community methods. Thats it. No rethinking game design. No changing of gameplay systems again. No shrinking to AA quality. None of that stuff that will only confuse and muddy SE’s course for another decade. Double down on established quality and accessibility world wide. Nothing else. The sales will come. The happy and positive fanbase will grow.
Exactly. 16's sales problems are entirely because of the console exclusivity problem. Rebirth's are more fundamental, I think the FF fanbase is split between liking time ghosts and hating them, and the people that hate time ghosts will never go back to the series, but all you really need is to start growing the brand again after 13 and 15 killed it. YoshiP acknowledged this and still made 16 console exclusive then wondered where all the sales were.
@@GetterRay I think everyone didnt forsee how much of a hurdle and different audience the PS5 would be. This decision was made for PS4. Now granted the first FF7R game sold averagely on that system too. But it was still decent, got to that number fast and since doubled in sales. I really dont think the time ghosts thing is an issue man. I keep hearing this and it really makes me roll my eyes. Yes they are there, you dont have to like it. But its not the end of the world if you can split the OG and Remake apart in your head. Remakes never sell to the mass crowd. The point of them is to bridge the gap between new mainline releases and reinvigorate IP. Simply said, FF7R was never going to do Elden Ring numbers and neither would any other FF Remake, no matter how faithfull or samey. But FF17 might pull that off if it does something similar to BG3/Elden Ring. Its just the nature of remakes. They do well but never become cultural events. People just like to use the sales of FF7R to vent on their frustrations.
To be fair, graphics, character design and combat were top notch in FF7 remake, it was "just" the story that got ruined. Had they made a faithful recreation of FF7 with remake's combat, characters, graphics etc. it'd have sold like hotcakes and been praised as one of the greatest games of all time as it should. After all, it'd just be following the footsteps of the original but packing with even more content.
@@thedukeofdeathpt6262 I would argue that the story changes can be split up in two things. Small changes that had to be made to improve/properly translate to modern AAA presentation and pacing. And larger changes added to expand the story and introduce uncertainty. While its true that outside of the realities of IRL game development, budgets and sales numbers you have to deal with while making a trilogy, theres little reason to change the story in ways they did. And not liking that is a fair point. But I also think you can easily look past that if you lose your attachment to the original and also admit we dont know how much it has really changed yet. But its still a fair opinion. The small changes and some elements being switched around just had to happen. They happen in tons of remakes tbh. In the end we arrive at the conclusion that these changes while not to everyones liking had to happen. They chose this route and we can only judge if it was the best when the trilogy is completed (people also had the weirdest timeline hopping theories pre-Rebirth and it turned out to be almost the same story as OG). And so the audience has to either try and accept that or move on. I find it fairly easy to do. And while I wont say that these changes (so far) are 10/10 storytelling. I also disagree that they are bad by default just cause of the change. People jump the gun way to quick on that. So if the existing characters and story are a 9,5/10 and the gameplay is a 10/10 and the graphics are an 8,5/10, the music another 10/10, then maybe these story changes are a 7/10. All in all that still means the game is a 9/10. I still get your point btw while I disagree on the conclusion and nuance.
Interactive and intuitive RPG character progression. They could have generic level 1-99, but give me something that allows me to really customize to how I enjoy playing.
Comments like yours are just obfuscating the real problem, which was how the story of the OG got ruined with the time ghosts thing. Had they made a faithful recreation of the original packed with more content, side quests etc. it'd have been hailed as one of the greatest games of all time as it should. After all, it'd be basically be FF7 at it's core, but expanded.
I think ppl need to acknowledge the fact that SE is investing immensely into the FF franchise, particularly with the remake project and the probably MASSIVE cost of XVI. Obviously SE has had a large amount of failures, but by themselves in a vacuum, I think SE is more than justified in having big expectations for the FF franchise in particular. Like, dude, Persona 5 and royal have sold like 8 million? And probably.cost a minimal fraction of what these 2 cost.
Personally, I can't help but think that once VIIR3 is out of the door it might be time to bring the series to a close. SE could put all future installments in the series on everything from day one, scale back the budgets, go back to "turn based" and even bring Sakaguchi himself back, and I really don't think it would make a difference. I still love the series to this day, and lately I've been having more fun with it than I've had since IX, but the reality is that there are a lot of fans who have made their mind up that the series is done and will never be the same, and unfortunately they care more about being proved right than they do about the future of the series, so they won't even give it a chance. Of course, that would be even worse for SE from a financial standpoint so it probably won't happen.
Just make a faithful recreation of the original, Boom, Money printer go BRRRR. But no, Nomura just had to go and ruin the story for all the OG fans. Square Enix pulled a bait and switch and now it's suffering the consequences of its own actions.
-Set expectations way too high; -Don't deliver on what fans want; -Temporary exclusivity for a single console; -Avoid developing for the best selling current gen console by a landslide at all costs. "SaLeS DidN'T HiT oUr eXpeCTatiOnS"
Just give me my part 3 so i can enjoy the last 30 years of my life replaying this 400 hour masterpiece over and over and over again. Anything after that is just a nice cherry on my pie.
Literally this lmao, I will slot that part 3 into my prized collection like Thanos with his infinity stones. Let CBU1 cook, I want nothing but their best shot. FF7 is about company pride. Not about sales at this point. Sales will come later.
@@mikev8746 Hopefully part 3 won’t get a budget cut, cuz If they actually manage to do the rest of ff7 (disc 2 and 3) to rebirth quality, part 3 gonna be the best game ever.
@@Adamantaimai I mean Max Dood already touched on this. I agreed with his logic a budget cut is unlikely. Budget is already fixed. Its also short term thinking which SE cant afford. FF7 is still their main game out of all their offerings (even above DQ). So cutting budget on their biggest title even if that title is underperforming would just further dig their braves. Finally the CBU1 dev team is very efficient by now. They dont go over budget unlike allot of other projects/dev teams. People can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m less worried now than I was a couple months ago when this news hits. I get the genuine fear though. What we have right now is 2/3 of a legendary remake series. Players and fans are imagining playing this trilogy start to finish one day like OG FF7 and it being of equal quality from part 1 to 2 to 3. That would be super satisfying and precious. Meanwhile the idea they would cut scope or fall short on the last game just because of money issues and lack of vision from suits is heartbreaking. But so far I’ve seen nothing indicating that. We’re really getting the most ideal version of a FF7 remake when its all said and done! Much grander than if they had rushed it all in one game like some whiney inpatient purists would prefer. Future is bright man, money will follow.
The issue with XVI is that it didn't launch on PC where a _lot_ of people interested were (FFXIV players), and now that it _is_ on PC, the initial hype is gone so it still won't do as well as it could have. The issue with Rebirth is that it's a sequel, and not everyone played the first game.
I think they are truly hoping Rebirth wins Game of the Year so they can release a GotY version on PC next year. It should win, but it also should’ve been on PC day 1 like you said. This isn’t the 2000’s anymore where console wars was a corner stone of gaming life.
It'd be a joke if it actually won, but with the way these contests are rigged, I wouldn't be surprised. DEI has way too much power over gaming awards and the industry as a whole.
I agree with everything NSP says in the video, I just want to add the state of the economy right now. People are being more careful with their money yet can't keep up with inflation. Entertainment is being put on the backburner.
Not everything needs to look like a hollywood blockbuster lol. The Trails of series picked up where Final Fantasy faltered. Nothing meets Squares expectations anymore. Too much development time, and too much money into a soulless experience. Play Trails. Let Final Fantasy rest in peace. :[
I'm of fan of the Trails of series myself and just recently finished replaying Cold Steel 1, that ending always gets me hyped to jump straight into the next one.
FF15 had exceptional sales and that was not that long ago - so the potential for success is there. FF15 was popular even with the whole updating and adding content debacle. I believe the problem is the console itself.
Yeah. Its crazy to me how everyone is pretending like 15 didn't have action gameplay and that action gameplay is why 16 is bad. And 15's gameplay was quite terrible.
FF15 was the game that made me stop preordering games because of how bad that game was on launch. Whoever though locking character back stories behind DLC needed to be fired. Especially in a franchise as story and character driven as FF
We need to quit pretending that the changes made to FFVII’s story were acceptable to the mainstream. Remake the game with no bloat, make it a one and done that is faithful to the original and it will sell 10 million copies in a year, even if it is an exclusive. Guaranteed.
True, but a lot of people try hard to deny it. Once Square makes another remake of an FF game that isn't split into parts, and doesn't change the story and it's successful, they'll have to accept what you said.
@@gamerprince-tl5hg Because that's the truth? Also the fact that they could've easily made it into a single game but chose not to in order to milk this game to death? I mean, I get that they also want to make money, so just re-make the story, add some extra side content and side quests (put some of it behind DLCs if necessary) and it'd have been hailed as one of the best games of all time as it should. After all, it'd have basically turned into FF7 expanded.
We are living in an age where most people are struggling financially and with that comes lower sales for luxury products like video games. Neither of these games sold poorly, they were both #1 in their opening week and sold over a million copies, but both are also large expensive productions so Square kinda needs them to overperform to turn a profit. Compare that to either Octopath game f.e., both sold less then FFXVI or Rebirth but were bigger successes because they were cheaper and faster to produce. Square needs to rethink their production pipeline. It just doesn’t work anymore to throw money at a title that’ll be in production for years and expect it to do gangbusters, especially when you only release them on a new expensive console that buyers have no urgency to own. Make cheaper games faster and sell them for less, they’ll earn more money in the long run that way.
The reason these games didn't sale as much is because they are PS5 exclusives. Despite what people wanna say. Many people are still only on Switch and PS4. If they had PS4 ports the games would sale like they used to. Inflation is eating up alot of peoples expendable cash,so buying a new console with 70$ games is asking alot for this economy
PS5 is still heavily scalped by scalpers. It does not have any good exclusives (so far) and it is still quite expensive. I'd rather upgrade my current PC than buy it and sell my PS4 when it no longer is supported.
I don’t have a Steam deck, I don’t play on PC much anymore. But my primary console is Switch. I play that everyday for at least a few minute. My PS4 and PS5 haven’t even had power running to them for the past three months.
I enjoyed ff16, but lets be honest, its not at the same level as ff10 or ff7 original. IMO, they need to stop spreading themselves too thin: ff16 had all the makings of an amazing game. However, the sub quests were boring, and for a game that is supposed to appease rpg fans, it not only moved from turn based, which is a change tht old dieharder fans didnt want, but it also reduced other rpg elements from it. I really want them to solve their quality problems: I would hate it if they learn the wrong lessons and dont try another ff16. Their problem is not exclusivity(although its much better to just get rid of it and release it on pc) their problem is they need better writers. With great stories, their games will shine again.
Agree with the side quests lol. Plus the gameplay got very repetitive real quick. But overall it was very good. Story, dialogue, characters are well crafted. What baffles me is people thinking that 16 is a "single button mash" game when it clearly isn't. People would really believe someone on Twitter playing with the "Accessibility" equipment on.
It is a mixed bag of things, like most people have to work 2 jobs just to pay their bills, we are in a situation governments are sitting on their butts not reforming economic systems and regulating corporate greed, or redistributing wealth to working class to spend on the economy as much as they should, Not everyone owns a PS5, AND FF16/FF7RB, or let alone have time for playing these games, I also hope people take into account that the games are MASTERPIECES, PERIOD. They were well made and structured games, I HATE seeing just because they didn't sell well, that they are now getting a bunch of needless hate from some people who have not even played the games themselves, some of which are from the garbage anti woke communities on comments attacking the game dishonestly, it's so stupid, there are many factors on why a game succeeds in an artistic level and view, and why it should be a separate conversation to it's business aspects in some ways, cause can it do bad because the games are unappealing? Sure, but this is not that conversation, it's about the fact people can barely afford a PS5 AND do not have time to play these games, having these games exclusive to the PS5 was also a big mistake, as it isolates it from some communities who would love to play it, but can not access it because they have either another platform or do not have money to afford to play it, as stated above, or feel they have no time to play it all together. I hope things improve for Square, I REALLY do not want any cut corners for the final installment for the final game of FF7 remake saga, I want them to go all out, even if they have to postpone it's development down the line so they can take their time producing this behemoth of a game.
As someone who feels alienated as an old fan and have been gaslit by fans who can't see no wrong with the brand I honestly can't care any less for FF anymore. They wanna chase some random audience who was never there? Go for it just pray they buy your stuff. SE lost the skill it takes for making money. Make one emet selch playarts batch and people would shower then with money, instead they do dolfie dolls. FVCK Y0V square.
the thing about the sales is that, i canot do more then what i did which was purchasing the deluxe edition for both remake and rebirth ( aswell as 16) the ps5 exclusivity is 100% a problem
thats what happens when you take a game and try so hard to make it into something else. They butchered ff7 in not wanting to go all in. They made the first game a confusing mess, and wanted to amke it stand alone in case they dont go on with the second one. Then they went full on "lets do whatever" on rebirth. Its a sequel but its not, lets tie in the mobile game, lets change the story but lets make it still the same. nothing works, they pushed away the main fans that brought FF to where it is. Then FFXVI would have been so much better as a stand alone game, not a FF. It is not a FF. SE keep pushing the fans that made them a big compagnie. They need to humble themselves
@@omegaxtrigun 50 bucks is still too much to ask for, especially since this game got an Epic Exclusivity period and got released on Steam at the same price as when it first got released on Epic. Never mind the fact that this is part 1 of a 3 part remake, so technically, SE is still asking 150 bucks or more for the remake itself.
I absolutely love FF XVI's system of almost limitless combos in combat, which kinda is a product of the "only one controllable character" thing. But imagine how much harder Cid's death would've hit if he wasn't just a fun character but a party member you actually rely on. Like, a big part of Aeriths death still being memorable is that tangible sense of loss. That "what the fuck, I need to switch up my party and deal with a change in play style" because let's face it, even though you can mix and match materia, we all used Aerith as a dedicated healer on our first playthrough. Now, even though we lost one of the best Cids ever, at the end of the day he was just a plot device
I'm a huge fan of the original game, but I don't want a pseudo Advent Children sequel about time travelling, fixing the "wrong" original story of the source material and Square's Ethics Department telling me that the designs I love so much are "problematic". I didn't buy the game. Also, since FFXV, the saga doesn't look like a japanese game anymore and with the exception of Kingdom Hearts 4, I've no more interest in Square-Enix's games, and I've been supporting them, buying their games since 1996.
My worry with the sales is that it could compromise what PT3 could be. I'm not into the multiverse Zack stuff but everything that's been happening with the main party has been great, Yuffie and Vincent's stories are going to be strong additions to what was already my favourite stretch of the game. I just hope they give Cid a bit more bite he's the only character who they haven't nailed which is a shame as he was my second favourite character after Yuffie.
I am happy going forward they will release on multiple platforms. They need to hurry up with VII Rebirth on PC, I bought it on PS5 and I'd of bought it again 3 months later if it came to PC, even at full price lol. I love that game so much but the longer the wait the less I will buy at full price on PC because the hype is going down each time I have to wait and the many other new releases coming out this year. Square are both amazing and also so bad in some areas lol. Totally agree with u on the amount of stuff in Rebirth and yet it's not in another new FF...i.e like 16 which had so little in terms of extras. As much as I love Rebirth they should of put a bit less extras in it and more of that in a new title.
Something that might have cost rebirth sales is the dumb multiple timeline plot that isn't even well put together. Remake was fun and enjoyable until they put that crap front and center. They should have made smarter changes instead of something so drastic and poorly thought out.
@@ontos8914That literally has everything to do with it. You know, most game companies sell MORE games with sequels? *gasp* even story based games with contiuation of the previous game's story. Like Metal Gear Solid series and Resident Evil series. If sequel tanks with sales, that means you are losing returning customer. Guess why they are not coming back? What in FF7 Remake pissed off the customer the most?
The problem is the playstation namebrand alone just cant bring in the amount of sales if it were to have launched on steam, xbox and playstation day one. Look at the sales of 15 which did this vs 16/rebirth
I only buy these types of games on PC now. I bought my PS4 to play the entire FF7RM (and FF15). When they split it up and boosted PS5, I refused to buy the next console. PC Games are for life and they get mods which make them better. I don't want to rebuy the games every new console generation. Microsoft just bought out Activision/Blizzard. Pretty sure their gaming development isn't going away. Likely X-Box will have a lot of exclusives. As for Final Fantasy 16. I probably won't buy it until they fix it up, which means I might as well wait for a steam sell. By then either they have it fixed, or it will be fixed by mods. It honestly feels like square is just using PC to double dip. Which is why they delay the release for a year. What they are hoping is the fans will buy it on console then turn around and buy it again on PC a year later because of some "new features". FF15 they straight up lied about their modding support just to boost PC sells.
I dont know what they expected, honestly. If you look at how many people actually finished remake and crunch the numbers, how many people ended up buying Rebirth checks out. It's not a standalone game, and thus it was never going to sell as much as the first entry. And that is not even taking into consideration that much fewer people own a ps5 than ps4, and that we currently live in a time when a lot of households are struggling financially.
So yeah, reconsidering that exclusivity deal is probably a good idea.
I'm worried it won't make a difference
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu It might not be, but I think it'll help some. Especially if they're strategic about their releases.
But yeah, I mean overall I believe we also just need to wait for slightly better times. People are still recovering from a minor recession, after all. At least where I'm from.
Sony still want that $700 for ps5 pro to play games the way they should had looked when advised 😂 they are delusional!
It doesn’t help that they botched the story with that multiverse nonsense. I’ve bought both Remake and Rebirth, but after that ending I’m not sure I want the last part. If I do get it, it will be when it’s on sale.
I think it's a bit absurd to say Rebirth isn't a standalone game, it's literally triple the size of Remake.
The PlayStation brand is not what it was on the PS1 and PS2. Keeping jrpgs stuck to that platform is no longer viable.
Agreed, most people play jrpgs on PC and Switch now.
Square also need to avoid such atrocities as Forspoken and Marvels Avengers.
And those are the actual stinkers, problem is many other of their titles are still mediocre at best.
Forspoken was Woke Trash
Forspoken is ok for 30-40 dollars. It is not an atrocity. I had fun playing it... from the torrent
@@KateikyoshiDX that’s not the point. It was a massive financial failure. I am sure SOME people liked it.
if square could stop working with Sugary infant company,
we wouldnt have things like censorship in the recent DQ III remake.
e.g. "Is Dragon Quest III Remake a Censored Mess?" by ScouterVee
I’m not buying a PS5 just to play Rebirth. Give me the PC port, and I’ll buy that on day one.
Don't buy a PS5 for Rebirth, but if it comes to PC grab it. It's actually really good.
@@vlanson6529 oh I am…! Remake was fantastic, and I can’t wait until Rebirth comes to PC!
I agree, I play exclusively on my steam deck now 🤷🏽♀️. Not dropping $500 or $800 for the pro ps5 dude.
@@nc1732 I'm just getting sick of paying $120+ a year to play online.
You won't be able to play GTA 6 or Ghost of Yotei next year tho
Square Enix still has that 2007 mentality. The era of the console wars is over. Just release everything for as many platforms as possible.
Keep in playstation which keep final fantasy as a iconic franchise
@@LTHinesIIso less money for square enix lol. Hope they release everything on every platform day especially pc
PC is by far the largest market, it has been for over 15 years and it's larger than all three consoles combined these days, by not immediately releasing their games on PC, more specifically on Steam where 95+% of PC gamers are, SquareEnix is cutting itself off millions upon millions of potential customers. Releasing their games 2 years after is not going to cut it, by that point the hype is long gone.
@@lstsoul4376 lol I’m old school just drop it on PS4 or drop them prices. The most on a console you getting $300 maybe $400 max. And $50 on a game so I can wait two years in this economy
@LTHinesII that's exactly why these games flopped in the first place 🤦♂️
Every single one of their game does not meet their sale expectations…maybe they should change the one making those expectations and the budget accordingly…
This. At some point they should realize that it’s their analyst who aren’t qualified to make predictions and not the games themselves that are underperforming.
Exactly. Both games sold really well, they just wanted to sell to every human on earth, maybe even some pets.
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FF is their flagship title. They’re right to expect a lot from it
'Meet expectations' is just a fancy way of saying 'recoup losses'
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I think they made a mistake splitting this game into 3 standalone titles. It’s a big ask for a gamer to buy all three titles. And if they don’t play remake, they’re not gonna play rebirth.
it's a shame, because these games are really good.
All they had to do was remake the original 7 in hd pixel art like they've been doing.
The game is too big to fit into one
@@cyrusboon2842 how is the game too big to fit into one? You do realize FF7 was just one game right?
@@nunorodrigues320 you do see the difference between the original ff7 and remake? Like graphics, game mechanics, full voicover etc? It takes alot more resources to make ff7 remake than the original one.
Squere Enix need to lower their expectations. When was the last time they were happy with sales?
Rebirth is an PS5 exclusive and a second installment in a trilogy. Squere Enix is a joke when it comes to expectations. They're never happy.
Also they need to release PC version alongside PS5 version. They releasing PC version 1 year after the premiere and expecting people to buy it. Hype train is over by that time.
"When was the last time they were happy with sales?"
FF15, FF14 realm reborn and it's expansions, FF7R part 1, Kingdom Hearts 3.
They would be dying to have FF13 or FF15 sales with Rebirth. The "Square's expectations are too high" argument is complete bs. Final Fantasy used to print money regardless of this PS5 vs PC nonsense and the reality is 16 and Rebirth are just not performing financially
Expectations are not some arbitrary number they conjure up at a meeting. It's based on cost and budget. Spend a ton, expect a ton in return.
And having it be an Epic Exclusive on top of being a PS exclusive
@@roussounmanman Should've thought better before blowing the money on DEI hacks for writers
I honestly love Remake and Rebirth, and I'm 100% in the camp that believes future mainline games should be looking to them for cues moving forward. The hybrid action/ATB combat systems are incredible with a ton of potential, and I think Rebirth does a lot right with its world and setting in a way that FEELS very open world-esque without sacrificing story. And rather than feeling aesthetically pleasing but empty and lifeless like a lot of big games do, Rebirth is full of life and absolutely packed with stuff to do. There's room for improvement for sure, but I think it's going in the right direction.
I enjoyed FFXVI, but personally I just don't think it's the direction the series should be going. FFVIIR is where it's at as far as I'm concerned.
Plus all the stuff you could do in Rebirth was crazy. Sure the mini games were a bit much but the option is there for stuff to do. Plus the battle system was top notch with all the options you had for attacks and the like. I personally loved 16 but I'll even admit that if it had a system like Rebirth had it would make a great game even better
Its amazing how people can have different takeaways. i feel like the way they did the open world felt very "UbisoftOpenWorldTM" And i think it took away from the game, making it feel more like a chore because it makes you feel like you HAVE to explore, but a lot of what you are doing is just Samey and unrewarding in a lot of cases and i certainly hope they don't do that again with the 3rd. also i feel like the story (especially later) was just lazily planned and written the way it was just to was off any criticisms/questions of the game and potentially the future one with "multiverse timelines" the combat is a better direction but i don't want that to just be the way forward. FF has always been consistently changing itself and i feel they SHOULDN'T stick with it but keep innovating.
One thing they SHOULDN'T do is FF16 battle again!
As long as they don't look to them for story ideas.
@@kyteurisuke4429 I think in my case, I felt there was enough variety in the gameplay that some of the more repetitive things didn't bug me too much. It definitely did get overwhelming occasionally, having so much to accomplish, but I just sort of paced myself and largely enjoyed the experience. Personally I also didn't find it unrewarding. Everything went toward upgrading characters or party in some significant way, so I felt a sense of satisfaction in completing different tasks. Plus I largely felt the sidequests were much improved on Remake, with more interesting NPCs and character-focused interactions. I DO< however, think it would be kind of cool to see FF games in the future go back to having more secrets to find rather than just having everything marked on a map before you get there. Kind of takes away some of the magic, imo. Like I mentioned, definitely room for improvement!
The story is another beast entirely and there's a reason I didn't dwell on it lol. I thought the multiverse thing had potential in Remake --- feeling a lot more nervous after this one. I'm trying not to worry about it too much and just enjoy the ride. I don't think story in PARTICULAR is something where future FF needs to take cues from VIIR, but I do think the character interactions and relationship building is top notch. And I think the story apart from a few things here and there is fine up until a somewhat muddled ending.
In any case, I don't mean to say I just want the combat from now on to ALWAYS just be modeled after Remake. But personally I feel like it's a good place to take inspiration from going forward. Remake and Rebirth have my favorite combat system in probably the whole series. I just find it to be a blast in a way I've never experienced with any other game. And I do think there's more they could do with it.
@@orga7777 I would think not since all this multiverse stuff feels kind of meta and hinges heavily on its relationship to the first game.
In general though, yes, in terms of story, I hope this isn't the kind of thing they try to repeat.
I don't want Final Fantasy to ditch the numbers for subtitles, because of the simple fact it would destroy 30 years of tradition
As a player that started with the first one went it came out, I agree.
Danm 1st one is pretty old. I started with 7 @@madjoe8622
DISAGREE
Final Fantasy has been around for almost 40 years
They’re going to get in trouble if they ever reach Final Fantasy 30 lol.
honestly, making massive megaproductions like 7 rebirth and 16 even temporary exclusive was just stupid.
Changing the story and splitting a remake of 1 game into multiple parts was even more stupid.
You think it being Sony exclusive is the reason for low sales?
Looking at how Remake and 16 were received on PC tells a different story.
16 just came out on PC this week and peak for that games been 22k.
As much as PC guys like to talk about day and date releases, they sure fail to show up when it comes time to back up those claims.
@@wind1574having a brain is hard huh? If you actually think they could fit all of 7 into one game then you're crazy. Plus they said they were going to split it months before remake came out. That tired excuse got old before remake even came out
@@darknesswave100 it is stupid tho changing the story and fight final boss every parts is sephiroth so f*cking dumb you have a brainfart
@@aeolussvichi7680 I think making games so expensive that you need sales in the tens of millions to have good returns and then not releasing them in every platform you possibly can during the initial release sales peak is a stupid move.
but rant on buddy.
I still think Forspoken and Marvel Avengers are the reasons ff7 and ff16 failed because, like a debt,they paid off the cost of those two flops 😂
Seriously though they're saying they underperformed when both the other games tanked and were abysmal games 😂
SBI detected in forspoken made people very aware that Square is willing to alter their games for a very small percentage of people that dont even play games.
@@joshg7949 STFU. Normal people don't care about that shit as it isn't the reason those games failed.
Marvel Avengers was fucking years ago and when it bomed FF& remake still made good profits stop blaming marvel for fuck sake
@joshg7949 that's what I've been saying! 7 and 16 are good but not good enough to make up for past flops
their exclusives stance hurt them a lot. it's a new era and gamers want good games.
But these games are good. But unfortunately, as you said, exclusivity prevents these games coming out and riding hype waves to the fullest.
You are cutting out huge portions of gamers to join the conversation and keep pushing hype.
@@SuperRamos619 yes. they are good games, what i meant was gamers with different platforms just want good games and have it released on said platforms day one. squenix would be printing money if they would stop making deals with distributors.
Not like the PiratesCove users buy games
But jokes aside. Their production expenses are too high aiming to the super serious story lines and uncanny grapgical realism
Illegal bribery, not exclusives stance.
People didn't want good games in past eras? Huh, interesting.
I've said this many times, jRPG crowd is no longer on Playstation. They left during the PS3 era. Playstation fans now only play story driven, third person movie games. The hardcore jRPG crowd is now on Nintendo + PC. Also, for the love of God SE, stop trying to appeal to the action crowd. Turn based is the way to go.
But Persona 3 Reload's sales broke sales records for the entire Persona series at lauch and it is said that mst of the sales came from the PS5 and PS4 versions, and the game wasn't released on the Switch. Granted, it is said that P3R has sold 2 million copies so far, which is less than what FFVII Rebirth has sold, but we have to take into consideration that Persona 3 Reload cost much more less to make compared to FFVII Rebirth
@@pablocasas5906 Dude, Octopath Traveler sold more than 2m on Switch alone, and that in turn, cost a fraction of what Persona 3 Reload cost.
Every jRPG maker should make Nintendo their focus platform from now on.
@@pablocasas5906
Lol Sony hates JRPG games. Serve them right
I beg to differ with the latter statement but agree with the former, turn based combat is just too boring.
It's almost like splitting a remake of 1 game into 3 parts and adding a convoluted multiverse plotline to the story was a bad idea. Who could've guessed. Not like FF7 fans literal never asked for any of that stuff when they were asking for a regular remake for years or anything.
Stfu stort now is better then og
Exactly. Those Harry Potter dementor rip-off things destroyed FF7's story and formally made plot armor into a plot device. It completely killed all dramatic tension in the cheesiest way possible. Characters that would have survived were magically dragged off to die. Characters that magically survived were then magically killed. It's almost like none of the player's actions mattered. Not to mention it just padded the game with some hours of filler material. I don't understand how anyone who's a fan of the original game could be a fan of Remake unless they just didn't care about plot at all.
@@jonathanchang1574 FF7 fans haven't cared about the plot of FF7 ever since they praised the absolute butchering of Zack's death in Crisis Core by changing it from a stark, sudden death, to a long overly dramatic insert-song opera.
@@GetterRay What's your point? That Remake is as bad as Crisis Core? Does that make it better somehow?
@@jonathanchang1574 I didn't say either of those things. I don't think I have to explain myself further, just re-read my first statement and then actually understand it instead of making up imaginary statements I didn't make.
These exclusivity deals where made for ff7 remake triology in 2014/5 and ff16 prob 2018. It them management then that should be blamed tbh..
I agree. They really have to start getting things out day one. I play everything on PC + Steam Deck with a Switch for Nintendo games. Square games are usually a day one pick up for me. But now here I am waiting up to 2 years sometimes for a game. Just starting playing FF16, Still waiting for FF7 Rebirth. I'm literally waiting to throw my money at them. Their sales would have been much better if they weren't stuck with Sony.
Square Enix expectations are too high.
Final Fantasy, while a recognised Japanese RPG name, is still very niche among the vast industry of mainstream games. Top that with Rebirth being a sequel of a remake within a remake trilogy, and then top that with exclusivity, it adds to how non-mainstream and niche it is. FFXVI on the other hand is a new game which is more unknowable to FF fans and it shifted away from conventional FF systems which, while in an attempt to have broader appeal as an action game, actually made it more niche also.
Precisely all of this, and to add to it the core gamers of late 90s / early 00s have, for lack of better wording, aged and lost interest in gaming. It's just a natural evolution of gaming and behaviors in general. The reason why games like Fortnite stick is because they are designed to be addictive for new generations to come and it adds content constantly. Plus they are no-brainer games (minimizing it, it's shoot targets), whereas RPG require a bit more brain power.
Square Enix has for the last 15 years had pretty terible profit considering their revenue numbers. So they're objectively underperfoming, but I have to agree that I don't really think the sales are the issue. I think the real issue is that they're spending too much making the games. A lot of their games over the last 15 years have also had a lot of trouble during development and I think that is the real cost they need to cut. They need their operation to run smoother.
Its a bit in the middle I’d say, I see tons of big name content creators mention Final Fantasy. Everyone that plays games somewhat hardcore knows about it. Yet the people that engage with it are less numerous these days. Its also heavily fragmented from spitefull OG fans, shippers, new age FF weebs, specific CBU fans, console vs PC etc. They just have to find a way to combine these numbers.
I also really doubt FF7R cost them the most money since this was made in record time and these are still pretty underpayed devs compared to lazy spoiled western devs.
The issue is SE wants to be a big player yet their entire offering is JRPGs meaning they will always be the sub top of publishers.
It was mainstream and did well from 7-15 tho. Problem is AAA means u need even higher sales numbers to make profit back
@@chrissquarefan86Yeah gaming is absurdly different now compared to 20, 30 years ago. The audience is completely different and astronomically bigger than ever. Final Fantasy X was a huge deal in 2001, now in 2023, Final Fantasy XVI is a drop in an ocean of games. We’re lucky devs like Square, capcom, namco, Nintendo and Sega/Atlus are still making games for us at all.
My personal experience is that I couldnt buy 16 or FF7R and had to borrow from friends. Poor sales might be because alot of people (myself included) dont have extra funds for 70 dollar games these days. Not to cry a river or anything but the last couple of years have been tough..
yea,that so way too damn much just one game and like the same as limted edtion version of a game and that you can ff7 remake on ps4 for way cheaper then damn 70 dollars.
Games had been 60 dollars for literally decades, while the cost of every other good has gone up because of inflation. 70 dollars today is still a cheaper price than the 60 dollars that FF7 sold for in 90s dollars. Being poor is one thing, but don't blame it on the 70 dollar price tag.
@@GetterRay Thats why i specified its my personal experience. Sure, i can buy a 70 dollar game every now and then. But id rather buy a 20-30 dollar older game thats on sale. But sure im not the only one either.
@@GetterRay
Cry all you want, 60 works fine for wukong. 70 only alienates your global customers. Inflation or not, games are not necessities, but entertainment and there are a lot of games that are cheap and more fun than triple A garbage.
Keep pushing 70 with this economy, people are not desperate and sooner or later they can buy second hand or with discounts. Yes, lets lose more potential customers and money for short term sales. Idiot.
They waste money on NFTs, Forspoken and crap like that and then expect to Final Fantasy to make up for all the losses.
an in the meantime, they f up FF14 by pushing devs from there to make FF16... and that game is a big mind nothing too... they literally made every old fan run from the game...
@@UmbraWeiss FFXVI is an amazing game and was received extremely well. FFXIV team working on it is what made it so good.
And our time with exclusivity periods and remaking a game in 3 parts that are each years apart.
Jrpgs are somehow bigger than ever before and also more niche than ever relative to the gigantic modern gaming market. Everyone knew FFX back in 2001. Now FFXVI is a drop in an Olympic sized pool.
Everyone is wrong. In reality there are three, simultaneously correct, interpretations. There's the original timeline interpretation where FF games sell well. There's the Sephiroth timeline interpretation where FF16 and FF7 Rebirth failed to meet sales expectations. And then there's the Zack timeline interpretation, where nobody actually knows anything and the Unknown Journey Continues.
Memes aside though, I think it's pretty obvious these games underperformed. And that will be due, in large part, to them being released exclusively on a platform with a relatively small install base at a time when people are hurting economically. It's not an indictment of the games themselves, just a symptom of the circumstances in which they were released.
I think we will in retrospect learn later on how much of a failure the PS5 and modern Sony post 2018 were to gaming. Sure the instal base is decent. But these audiences have hardly any overlap. Most core gamers just play PC these days (the ones that will buy and play Wukong, Space Marine 2, Baldurs Gate 3 etc not beholden to any genre or IP).
The PS5 is a nightmare for everyone involved. Name me one franchise that actually grew their IP on PS5? Its the platform which is the kiss of death for your game series. If you want to grow community, fans and expand your player base you need PC, you need Steam.
@@mikev8746 Astro Bot?
61 millions it’s more than what FF13 had and somehow that game sold better than FF16 and Rebirth
@@kevinlee7678 how much it sold again? oh yeah we don’t know
Assuming you think live service games won't replace the older aaa games SP offline only release model that the industry has been using for decades here. Gamers love sp offline aaa games however the investors do not. Who wins? Investors do not the gamers.
NSP you're basically saying what us classic players have alwayd been saying. But we get crucified when we express these things. As time progresses, more and more of what made an ff game an ff game, is being taken away.
This pretty much, FF games are each installments, less so.
And other games that imitate the old FF style are complete ninja successes, color me surprised.
changing has ALWAYS been part of the formula
Why does Night Sky Prince look like he'd pull of a crazy gojo cosplay
The six eyes
As soon as I saw the weird multiverse angle they went with in Remake, my interest in all subsequent titles was effectively destroyed. I suspect I was not the only one who felt that way.
Likewise... I had been following Remake almost religiously since the 2015 E3 announcement and have since entirely dropped the ongoing VII franchise from my mind. No hate to anyone who does enjoy it but I personally have zero interest in playing it at this point. That being said I am not a purist and did expect changes, just not so extreme that it fundamentally upends and alters the story, characters, and messages that I fell in love with. Also not keen on the fan service at all
@@reesew6599 Yeah I mean I am not a purist either. Remember that awesome dance sequence in the FF7 remake? Well that didn't happen in the original and that's fine. However, like you said I didn't like the extreme divergences in the story such as fate ghosts and alternate realities.
For me the whole...complexity/multiverse-ness killed my interest real quick. Somehow, adding more content made it less interesting. So much padding for a game that's already dense to begin with. I actually went from: "I am so excited see the gang again!" to "I don't give a fuck about any of these people." in less than 10 hours.
@@Nixconvie Remake had a really big issue with padding. Some areas of the game that were dreadfully tedious.
I didn’t play rebirth but I suspect it is worse.
@@Gabthar Remake chose the weirdest level to expand - Midgar had less than 5 hours in original game before we were gone, but they decided to pad it to 40+ hours of gameplay. I kept wondering - I should be outside, with the green grass, Midgar as a city is not interesting enough for me to be trapped in there for 40+ hours. And this is BEFORE the time-wimey/multi-verse nonsense they want to shove down our throat. All these new characters with little to zero depth - IDGAF about faux-Seph on a bike or Android-Shota and how did they manage to make Sephiroth *less* threatening even though he's nearly a demi-god here??? All the characters have more lines and yet they seem to say nothing!
Square Enix also made them PlayStation exclusives. Pretty hard to have a blockbuster hit when you tell 2/3 of the way people play games they can't have it. And on top of that the PS5 was hard to get ahold of. Assuming people are going to go buy a $500 console just to play your one or two games is a big ask.
Exactly. Around 60 million PS5s shipped so far and the game may only sell a tenth of that number when all is said and done. The PC version can’t come soon enough for Square, I’m sure.
I mean Xbox is the smallest of the three platforms so that wouldn’t make any difference
@@ontos8914yeah, but it would have helped a bit. Then there's Nintendo, but obviously the Switch is unable to run games like FFXVI and VII Rebirth
I did exactly that. Worth it!
@pablocasas5906 Nintendo would've helped alot, Xbox wouldn't have made a dent.
I don't even have a PS5 yet to try these games.
I refuse to buy one, I can barely see the difference between a PS5 and PS4.
@@aster4jaden Maybe a secondhand one.
Scalpers still haven't stopped scalping them.
That controversial and convoluted ending probably took away a good chunk of the profit on ff7 rebirth.
If they made there games affordable it will make more sales. £59 is better than £79. Number 1 reason why I RARELY buy a new game these days.
Yup the price increase & if you just wait 1-2 years the game will be 50% off 🤡
yeah seriously. I wanted to get rebirth but here in Canada it's on the PS store for $106 after tax lol YEAH RIGHT dude
@@Thorn_416 Games cost less now than they did in the 90s because of inflation. I'm in Canada too, but I'm not going to blame goods and services increasing in price on the greed of developers and pin the blame where its obviously due. A big mac costs 12 dollars now when it used to cost 6. Everything is more expensive, but games relative to everything else has gone up the least.
@@GetterRay Yeah whatever Im not spending over a hundred on a video game. Idc how much growth their shareholders demand lol.
@@Thorn_416 My point is that it isn't about shareholders wanting growth, its the economics of inflation and your government's poor handling of it that has made every good and service increase in price. The price of games is not the result of corporate greed.
Square Enix needs to clean house and distance themselves from SBI and consultancy that censors characters. That would be a good start.
All I really wanted was a reskin of the original with updated graphics… I’m still praying that one day I’ll see a Xenogears remaster in the style of Star Ocean on switch with the missing chapters realized to the original writers vision and not the way they were glossed over on the second disc.
I'm gonna say this now. Square needs to make an FFIX type of FF game right now. They need to go back to their roots but with modern graphics and/or gameplay (ATB or turn based). While I like the current action gameplay, a return to form could make people reminisce the older games while bringing newer fans as well.
Trust me it would not bring newer fans, just older ones. FFXVI is the only final fantasy I can play (I hate turn based combat) and it’s one of my top 5 games of all time. If they keep going in that direction I will be happy 😊
@@thomasmoscrop2747and lose older fan that actually want a rpg and not an action game.
@@thomasmoscrop2747
Ah yes, lets keep you, 1 fan of action games (that has million in markets) and throw way old niche hardcore JRPG fans that even bought shitty remastered games. Very smart
@@asain3586 bro said niche. Do you realise show many jrpg games there are?
@@thomasmoscrop2747 niche if you account for the budget and expectations for sales that are needed from a new AAA game
Bloated budget, bloated corporate nonsense, bloated teams, bloated ethics department that shouldn't exist. Square did it to themselves.
Bloated and Convoluted story on a game that's supposed to be a remake of the original FF7.
If exclusives are pointless in this day in age, what's the point of Sony and Microsoft being relevant in the console business, it's like they are just there for sake of just simply exsisting
Let them stick to making overpriced pieces of plastic for dummies and kids but leave the rest of the gaming community alone, dammit!
Square - The fans bugged for 20 years for a remake of the beloved FF7 title. Square had a literally gold mine making this title again. Square then makes the game, removed the feel of the game, added a convoluted timeline type storyline to an already solid story and released the game in three $60+ individual games. Also Square - why arent people happy?!?!
Watching Square release Foam stars was just the most “why” thing ever
Many people who don't have ps5 and would buy ff16 day 1 if it released on PC, will not buy it now because they already watched the entire game story on RUclips and the hype died down.
I don't think there's any reason for us fans to worry. This is just SQEX realizing that remaining exclusive to Sony and PS5 really hurts the potential sales of their games going forward.
Don't be surprised if they announce FF16 and Rebirth for Xbox and Rebirth for PC very soon. Heck, they might even port Rebirth to PS4 if they get desperate.
FF7R part 3 won't be affected by this and they will continue development that title without compromises.
EDIT: Let us not forget about Switch 2. It might not have the beef of the PS5, but an optimized port of Remake and Rebirth would sell like crazy.
FF 16 on Steam was announced over a month ago and is currently on Steam. I believe they told us more than a year ago FF16 was always planned to go to PC but it needed more time to cook in addition to the PS exclusivity they had with Sony.
Rebirth is for sure gonna release for PC, now the question remains of whether it'll release any time soon or not. Also the question of whether or not it will be an Epic Exclusive on top of being a Playstation one like what happened with part 1 of the remake. Technically, the Playstation exclusivity period has expired since May, so idk what they're waiting for.
Just take my money at this point. I do not like the fact that Sweet Baby, Inc. has been involved with the making of both games, but I'll still buy it just for the beach scene alone.
Congrats on 100k.
Definitely going PlayStation timed exclusive with their big titles are hurting them. It's one of the reasons why they're moving away from that. FF 15 sold very well because it was a multiplatform title from the beginning. FF7 Remake/Rebirth got hurt because of the 6 month PS exclusivity and then the extra 6 month exclusivity on Epic store hurts them financially. So anyone who wanted the game on Steam (which is the biggest platform on PC) had to wait over a year for the game to be released. There's also the fact that they wasted a ton of money on NFTs and other failed life service projects. A lot of their mobile titles weren't profitable.
And then on Switch, putting in-the-face microtransactions in Chocobo GP.
I think XV sold well because it was once Versus XIII and there was a lot of hype for the game for close to a decade. Most of XV's sales were PlayStation.
hmmm maybe square enix should just make the games the fans want then.
Honestly, the Final Fantasy series needs to go back to turn based. You mentioned how beloved Final Fantasy 1-10 is and those all have turn based combat in common. And I agree, they need to release functional PC ports day 1 as well.
I think the problem is that most people are waiting for all three to come out to play them all at once. When i played rebirth, i've forgotten much from the first Remake.
You're right. I'm one of those who wants to play that splitty mess all at once. I've finished the original FF7 about 3 times since the remake came out but I never felt the need to play FF7 remake. It takes years till the next part is getting released. O_o
True, mostly because people just wanna buy a bundle that includes all 3 games at a cheaper price on the same plataform and not having it split by generations i.e. Remake in PS4 and Intergrade in PS5 and now Remake exclusively on the PS5 and who knows where Part 3 will release and also to be able to continue their progress through the trilogy.
Imagine not allowing people who started following this project since 2015 and that have invested into 2 different console generations and bought the 2 games in the trilogy to continue their progress across all 3 games and instead only rewarding them with crappy materia for no reason. Like, that's such a slap in the face. Who cares if the characters would be overpowered by that point? Ain't that the point of character progression? Shouldn't enemy difficulty also scale with the players' progress?
Broader audiences just aren't interested in Final Fantasy games. Even content creators on youtube say that Final Fantasy videos/essays aren't doing well. Square has to stop trying to capture new audiences and cater to their already existing fanbase before it disappears completely. Go back to basics. We don't need 10 million dollar eikon fights and 100 hours of cutscenes. Make a classic Final Fantasy game and it will sell like crazy. Back to basics Square. Think about what are Final Fantasy to begin with, and improve on that. Fans have been waiting for 20 years for an actual FF game. Lower your budgets, make a classic game for the fans of the series and it will be a success.
Videos about FFXVI made by content creators like Asmongold were doing really well, i dont think thats true.
@FloripesTavares Everything Asmongold touches does good. He's a fun guy and has tons of followers. When Asmongold started playing 14 it massively surged in popularity. Every game he plays does. It's the best marketing for the gaming company to have Asmon stream your game. I'm talking about smaller creators. One guy that does videogames essays when asked by me if he would do one on FFVIIR said no cause the amount of work and the vievs FF essays get just doesn't add up. He said he's done it in the past and he won't be doing any FF content cause there's very little interest. I forgot the channel name but the guy is in the middle of a controversy run cause he didn't like Shadow of the Erdtree. I'll link you his channel and you'll see how unerperforming his FF videos are compared to other games. Even the before you buy series on gameranx you can see that FF videos have less vievs. FF just isn't the hot shit anymore. It has a big and loyal audience but it's not a mainstream audience. And I think FF shouldn't try so hard to be mainstream. It shoud go back to its roots and make a perfect FF game for the fans of classic FF. Just my opinion.
I believe you are talking about TheModCracy? He is a From Software guy, it makes sense his FF video its not doing that great, most of the things outside of From Software and DMC doesnt do that well on his channel. I understand what are you trying to say, but a lot of channel does videos and essays about FF and does pretty well, like FF Union and Max Dood.
About Gameranx, the FFXVI did 1M views, i think its good? The FFXV video done 2.4M views years ago.
Nah bro I don't think it's that. I feel like they just haven't done it right to breakthrough the mainstream. The right formula and marketing approach I mean. They probably need some Chinese people to market them in the next ff17 game where it will garner some sort virality and be talked about, and if it's a good game it'll just do all the work after that.
You've completely misdiagnosed the problem. If you were really just waiting for another turn based final fantasy, did you play World of Final Fantasy? No? Where are the 10 million sales for that game? Or other turn based games that SE has made since like Octopath or Bravely Default?
Yeah no shit sales didn't meet expectations for FFVII. Square betrayed the player base that would actually bump up those numbers, the OG fans of the OG FFVII because they messed with the ONE thing that didn't need to be touched. THE STORY. I know I'm not going to buy part 3 because of how poorly they handled the BIG moment at the end of Rebirth.
Wukong sold more than FF7 Remake,Rebirth,FF16, Crisis core reunion and forspoken COMBINED 🤯😱 just let that sink in...
Japan also doesn’t buy their own games anymore and choose to stick to Nintendo and mobile gacha.
Yeah they not about PS5 much. Think about it, most of the AAA games are western style games like god of war, Spider-Man, last of us, etc don’t appeal to their usual tastes at all. Games that do appeal to them are on ps4/switch already and don’t take bleedly edge specs to run
Because both of these games were made for the western audience.
@@RyuSaarva Plenty of games, especially jrpgs, don’t sell well over there anymore. Those are not all games made for a western audience.
a more modest, full remake of the original FFVII would work on Switch and would have sold like hotcakes. Then you could have remakes of VIII and IX.
Not with gen z like me 😂😂😂
That would have been the way to go but Square betrayed their core audience and it's going to cost them big time in the end.
@@FabledWarriorwhy would we have a pixel game in 2024?
@@rosies69 the og ffvii was 3d...
@@rosies69you don't even know what you're talking about dude. Don't use the Gen Z excuse either cause many of us grew up on final fantasy lol
Releasing as console exclusive for 1-3 years is really not helping. These would have been games I would've bought day 1 on PC, but since it took them several years, my hype died a long time ago and I no longer care, especially after hearing all the negatives about the games.
The real reason FF tries to do different things is because SquareEnix is always trying to be like whatever is popular at the moment.
For example: GTAV is the biggest selling game of all time, so they add a car to FFXV. Game of Thrones becomes popular, they make a M-Rated FF game. They even made that Fortnite-style game set in FF7. FF7Rebirth is great but has all these open-world game cliches like towers that reveal stuff on the map. They even named the healer a "medic" in FFXIII because of the popularity of military shooters at the time.
The number doesn't really matter. People ask the same question for other JRPGS without numbers like Tales of. The rule of JRPGs is that they aren't connected most of the time unless it's a direct spinoff.
Id say it has a lot more to do with recent past game launches. 16 followed 13 and 15 which 15 sold great but wasnt well received until the dlc's finished the story. Ff13 i dont really need to comment on because most people dont like it. Ff7 remake split the fanbase and lord foamstars was never going anywhere. There's also a big list of other failures. Square doesnt have a good reputation at the moment and they need to fix internal issues. Yes, releasing on other consoles would help for sure, but it's not the majorly of their problem as a company.
I remember something that NSP said years ago while playing Shadowbringers that really stuck true to me. It was that it felt like for a very long time that Final Fantasy as a series was no longer for me. I really didn't like the direction the series took with 13, 15 and all the 7 games after 7. But then FF14 was like finding a new home. I think that for a lot of the people who were unsatisfied with the direction that FF7R went in did not go out and rush to buy a PS5. The people who miss the darker tone of the Ivalice games, who enjoyed the politics in 12, who like the dark and morally complex themes in 14 were on PC and not on PS5 and are playing FF14. It was a refuge for those of us who are not fans of the Nomura/Tabata era of FF. Making sure that the majority of the FF14 playerbase that is on PC couldn't go and play FF16 was such a dumb decision.
Another thing that YoshiP said before 16's release was that he thought that the prestige of FF had gone down in years and most kids know Fortnite more than FF. And that's true. So having FF7 Remake be so totally alienating to anyone who didn't play FF7 with all the time ghosts and alternate timelines that require you to watch Advent Children to understand just drove away anyone new to the series. And FF16 didn't have that same legacy to draw on anymore because people look at it as "the game that comes after FF15". 16 needed that multiplat release in order to reach as many people and regain fans because it simply is not the prestige series that people go and buy consoles for anymore, no matter how deluded the relatively small player base of FF7 fans think it is.
Hey so if Square Enix is smart than they will find a way to put their games like FFVII Rebirth, Remake on the Switch 2 and Square Enix sale problems will some what go away!!!!
@@dragonkinggonzales7676 I've hearing that the Switch 2 will be at least more powerful than a PS4 Pro, some people are saying it would be closer to an Xbox Series S, so I imagine it could run Final Fantasy VII Remake, but I'm not so sure about XVI and VII Rebirth, both of them seem to have problems running on the base PS5. Even if S-E manages to make a sort of miracle port, like how games like NieR: Automata and Ace Combat 7 were ported to the original Switch, I don't know they'll have ready for the Switch 2's launch, and we have to take into consideration how's the exclusivity deal with Sony and how it will affect Part 3
Main issue is that many older fans and normies simply don't trust Square-Enix. As an old school FF player i can tell you (in the 90's/00) that my whole group of friends used to buy every Square game without even looking at a review, it was a seal of quality.
Nowadays nearly all have moved over to other franchises.
14 is still a love letter to the oldies.....I got so addicted recently. Heavensward/Shadowbringers are peak FF imo.
As an older fan, can confirm. I havent trusted Square since final fantasy 13. Kingdom Hearts 3 was the nail in the coffin. Still interested in their games (on paper), but havent purchased since the first FF7 remake
yeah after ff15 i realized they moved on from me a long time ago, and it was time for me to move on from them too.
That's me yeah I've been playing Final Fantasy for over 30 years. I can't say I trust them fully but I'm gonna keep my pitchfork in the shed until we actually see part 3 of the Remake and how it ends.
Being a kid back then and now being a middle aged adult couldnt possibly have anything to do with it.
What I hate about this whole situation is just how long these games are ps exclusive for. It took almost a year and a half for 16 to come out on PC. I guarantee you a lot of PC players stopped waiting for it or caring when it took that long. Rebirth probably won't be on PC until end of 2025 at the earliest. It's just unacceptable. And just because they're no longer doing "exclusivity" probably doesn't even mean timed exclusivity will be over. I guarantee you FF7 part 3 will be stuck on ps for at least a year just like all their other games.
Honestly, I prefer games being a critical success over a commercial success. Rebirth is hands down the best game to release this year.
With the cost of producing a AAA game it's really crazy that Square Enix is still doing exclusivity deals with Sony. Even though they port the games to PC after 12-15 months, the initial hype is gone by then so they're still taking a hit on sales.
FF17 Wishlist:
- Simultaneous Multi-platform release: Playstation obviously, PC for sure, Nintendo for Japanese audience, Xbox for marketing.
- Rebirth FOUNDATION for game design: "Foundation"; e.g. simple changes like different characters in the combat system can greatly shift the experience.
- World Map and Playable Party: Cmon now Square you've tried so many times not to include these, and people always say the same thing everytime.
- Fresh stand-alone story written by Ishikawa: Ishikawa is the GOAT and we need a story that has no baggage where anyone can jump into.
Lastly.... just be a good game 😭
The reason they couldn’t make rebirth into a new numbered title is because to make that many assets is probably so expensive they can only justify it by splitting it into three games and you can’t really split a new game into multiple.
Man, u joking right? No way you're serious? 'Cause if you are, just get some help please.
Exclusivity with sony will only end badly for any company at this point. The ps5 pro makes no sense. For a little patience and research. You can make a really great 1440p computer for a roughly similar price.
No point in 3rd party exclusivity anyway, it hurts those companies due to not growing their audience and their brand/ip to a metric ton of others for a quick buck, they missed out on a ton of growth due to exclusives, capcom shows that they missed out on that.
Exclusivity in general has always been a stupid idea in terms of playstation and Xbox plus not having a pc port available on day 1 is also a stupid idea. I can almost guarantee you if they said okay we're from now on gonna make sure both systems and a pc version will be ready on day one that people would wait longer for a game to come out. That way the main 2 systems plus pc would all buy it day one or soon after. Sales would be crazy but they're too stubborn to do it
I do have a few friends that wait for PC releases of FF7R and also FFXVI, problem, the hype dies down and they might push it further down the line. They need to put the games out day1 on PC and they also need to have it bug free and well "ported" or make it the first party platform, the gold standard.
And not make it a damn exclusive like part 1 was on both Playstation and Epic.
We need to do two things here, SE and us the actual fans (people who actually play new SE games and enjoy them and dont just low-faith-concern-troll about them online)
1. Celebrate the quality and passion these devs are putting out and cherish this. Things weren’t always like this back in the FF13/15 days.
2. Double, triple down on multi platform, Steam especially, and the growing of IP through other entertainment media and community methods.
Thats it. No rethinking game design. No changing of gameplay systems again. No shrinking to AA quality. None of that stuff that will only confuse and muddy SE’s course for another decade.
Double down on established quality and accessibility world wide. Nothing else. The sales will come. The happy and positive fanbase will grow.
Exactly. 16's sales problems are entirely because of the console exclusivity problem. Rebirth's are more fundamental, I think the FF fanbase is split between liking time ghosts and hating them, and the people that hate time ghosts will never go back to the series, but all you really need is to start growing the brand again after 13 and 15 killed it. YoshiP acknowledged this and still made 16 console exclusive then wondered where all the sales were.
@@GetterRay I think everyone didnt forsee how much of a hurdle and different audience the PS5 would be. This decision was made for PS4. Now granted the first FF7R game sold averagely on that system too. But it was still decent, got to that number fast and since doubled in sales.
I really dont think the time ghosts thing is an issue man. I keep hearing this and it really makes me roll my eyes. Yes they are there, you dont have to like it. But its not the end of the world if you can split the OG and Remake apart in your head.
Remakes never sell to the mass crowd. The point of them is to bridge the gap between new mainline releases and reinvigorate IP. Simply said, FF7R was never going to do Elden Ring numbers and neither would any other FF Remake, no matter how faithfull or samey. But FF17 might pull that off if it does something similar to BG3/Elden Ring.
Its just the nature of remakes. They do well but never become cultural events. People just like to use the sales of FF7R to vent on their frustrations.
To be fair, graphics, character design and combat were top notch in FF7 remake, it was "just" the story that got ruined. Had they made a faithful recreation of FF7 with remake's combat, characters, graphics etc. it'd have sold like hotcakes and been praised as one of the greatest games of all time as it should. After all, it'd just be following the footsteps of the original but packing with even more content.
@@thedukeofdeathpt6262 I would argue that the story changes can be split up in two things. Small changes that had to be made to improve/properly translate to modern AAA presentation and pacing. And larger changes added to expand the story and introduce uncertainty.
While its true that outside of the realities of IRL game development, budgets and sales numbers you have to deal with while making a trilogy, theres little reason to change the story in ways they did. And not liking that is a fair point. But I also think you can easily look past that if you lose your attachment to the original and also admit we dont know how much it has really changed yet. But its still a fair opinion. The small changes and some elements being switched around just had to happen. They happen in tons of remakes tbh.
In the end we arrive at the conclusion that these changes while not to everyones liking had to happen. They chose this route and we can only judge if it was the best when the trilogy is completed (people also had the weirdest timeline hopping theories pre-Rebirth and it turned out to be almost the same story as OG).
And so the audience has to either try and accept that or move on. I find it fairly easy to do. And while I wont say that these changes (so far) are 10/10 storytelling. I also disagree that they are bad by default just cause of the change. People jump the gun way to quick on that.
So if the existing characters and story are a 9,5/10 and the gameplay is a 10/10 and the graphics are an 8,5/10, the music another 10/10, then maybe these story changes are a 7/10. All in all that still means the game is a 9/10.
I still get your point btw while I disagree on the conclusion and nuance.
Interactive and intuitive RPG character progression. They could have generic level 1-99, but give me something that allows me to really customize to how I enjoy playing.
Final Fantasy traditionalists didn't ask for photo realistic graphics. This is a problem of their own making.
Didn't ask for action combat either.
Comments like yours are just obfuscating the real problem, which was how the story of the OG got ruined with the time ghosts thing. Had they made a faithful recreation of the original packed with more content, side quests etc. it'd have been hailed as one of the greatest games of all time as it should. After all, it'd be basically be FF7 at it's core, but expanded.
I think ppl need to acknowledge the fact that SE is investing immensely into the FF franchise, particularly with the remake project and the probably MASSIVE cost of XVI.
Obviously SE has had a large amount of failures, but by themselves in a vacuum, I think SE is more than justified in having big expectations for the FF franchise in particular. Like, dude, Persona 5 and royal have sold like 8 million? And probably.cost a minimal fraction of what these 2 cost.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll fire that entire Ethics department and anyone adjacent to it to make up for the losses.
They have to get rid of the bloat, hire more testers and programmers so their game actually perform well at launch.
We get it
you want to touch yourself to video game characters
Fire Nomura while they're at it, as he ruined the story of the remake
Personally, I can't help but think that once VIIR3 is out of the door it might be time to bring the series to a close. SE could put all future installments in the series on everything from day one, scale back the budgets, go back to "turn based" and even bring Sakaguchi himself back, and I really don't think it would make a difference. I still love the series to this day, and lately I've been having more fun with it than I've had since IX, but the reality is that there are a lot of fans who have made their mind up that the series is done and will never be the same, and unfortunately they care more about being proved right than they do about the future of the series, so they won't even give it a chance.
Of course, that would be even worse for SE from a financial standpoint so it probably won't happen.
Just make a faithful recreation of the original, Boom, Money printer go BRRRR. But no, Nomura just had to go and ruin the story for all the OG fans.
Square Enix pulled a bait and switch and now it's suffering the consequences of its own actions.
-Set expectations way too high;
-Don't deliver on what fans want;
-Temporary exclusivity for a single console;
-Avoid developing for the best selling current gen console by a landslide at all costs.
"SaLeS DidN'T HiT oUr eXpeCTatiOnS"
Just give me my part 3 so i can enjoy the last 30 years of my life replaying this 400 hour masterpiece over and over and over again.
Anything after that is just a nice cherry on my pie.
have to wait
Real shit bro
Literally this lmao, I will slot that part 3 into my prized collection like Thanos with his infinity stones. Let CBU1 cook, I want nothing but their best shot. FF7 is about company pride. Not about sales at this point. Sales will come later.
@@mikev8746 Hopefully part 3 won’t get a budget cut, cuz If they actually manage to do the rest of ff7 (disc 2 and 3) to rebirth quality, part 3 gonna be the best game ever.
@@Adamantaimai I mean Max Dood already touched on this. I agreed with his logic a budget cut is unlikely. Budget is already fixed. Its also short term thinking which SE cant afford. FF7 is still their main game out of all their offerings (even above DQ). So cutting budget on their biggest title even if that title is underperforming would just further dig their braves. Finally the CBU1 dev team is very efficient by now. They dont go over budget unlike allot of other projects/dev teams. People can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m less worried now than I was a couple months ago when this news hits.
I get the genuine fear though. What we have right now is 2/3 of a legendary remake series. Players and fans are imagining playing this trilogy start to finish one day like OG FF7 and it being of equal quality from part 1 to 2 to 3. That would be super satisfying and precious. Meanwhile the idea they would cut scope or fall short on the last game just because of money issues and lack of vision from suits is heartbreaking. But so far I’ve seen nothing indicating that.
We’re really getting the most ideal version of a FF7 remake when its all said and done! Much grander than if they had rushed it all in one game like some whiney inpatient purists would prefer. Future is bright man, money will follow.
The issue with XVI is that it didn't launch on PC where a _lot_ of people interested were (FFXIV players), and now that it _is_ on PC, the initial hype is gone so it still won't do as well as it could have.
The issue with Rebirth is that it's a sequel, and not everyone played the first game.
I think they are truly hoping Rebirth wins Game of the Year so they can release a GotY version on PC next year. It should win, but it also should’ve been on PC day 1 like you said. This isn’t the 2000’s anymore where console wars was a corner stone of gaming life.
It'd be a joke if it actually won, but with the way these contests are rigged, I wouldn't be surprised. DEI has way too much power over gaming awards and the industry as a whole.
I agree with everything NSP says in the video, I just want to add the state of the economy right now. People are being more careful with their money yet can't keep up with inflation. Entertainment is being put on the backburner.
Not everything needs to look like a hollywood blockbuster lol. The Trails of series picked up where Final Fantasy faltered.
Nothing meets Squares expectations anymore. Too much development time, and too much money into a soulless experience.
Play Trails. Let Final Fantasy rest in peace. :[
I would say Persona has taken over, but I do love me some Trails!
Tales of is so great it took 20 years for them to break 5 million total units sold across over 10 games.
I'm of fan of the Trails of series myself and just recently finished replaying Cold Steel 1, that ending always gets me hyped to jump straight into the next one.
But they want to make money and trails series doesn't even sell like ff series.
Games coming to pc or Xbox years later or months definitely hurts sales because of spoilers or just more games taking the spotlight
I simply dislike remake/rebirth’s story. I adore the OG.
FF15 had exceptional sales and that was not that long ago - so the potential for success is there. FF15 was popular even with the whole updating and adding content debacle. I believe the problem is the console itself.
Yeah. Its crazy to me how everyone is pretending like 15 didn't have action gameplay and that action gameplay is why 16 is bad. And 15's gameplay was quite terrible.
FF15 was the game that made me stop preordering games because of how bad that game was on launch. Whoever though locking character back stories behind DLC needed to be fired. Especially in a franchise as story and character driven as FF
We need to quit pretending that the changes made to FFVII’s story were acceptable to the mainstream. Remake the game with no bloat, make it a one and done that is faithful to the original and it will sell 10 million copies in a year, even if it is an exclusive. Guaranteed.
True, but a lot of people try hard to deny it. Once Square makes another remake of an FF game that isn't split into parts, and doesn't change the story and it's successful, they'll have to accept what you said.
Eh. It's very easy to say "the reason this failed is because they didn't do what I wanted but if they did? MASSIVE SUCCESS" without any actual proof.
WRONG. It shouldnt be exclusive
Nah, the og exploration is garbage
@@gamerprince-tl5hg Because that's the truth? Also the fact that they could've easily made it into a single game but chose not to in order to milk this game to death?
I mean, I get that they also want to make money, so just re-make the story, add some extra side content and side quests (put some of it behind DLCs if necessary) and it'd have been hailed as one of the best games of all time as it should. After all, it'd have basically turned into FF7 expanded.
We are living in an age where most people are struggling financially and with that comes lower sales for luxury products like video games. Neither of these games sold poorly, they were both #1 in their opening week and sold over a million copies, but both are also large expensive productions so Square kinda needs them to overperform to turn a profit. Compare that to either Octopath game f.e., both sold less then FFXVI or Rebirth but were bigger successes because they were cheaper and faster to produce. Square needs to rethink their production pipeline. It just doesn’t work anymore to throw money at a title that’ll be in production for years and expect it to do gangbusters, especially when you only release them on a new expensive console that buyers have no urgency to own. Make cheaper games faster and sell them for less, they’ll earn more money in the long run that way.
The reason these games didn't sale as much is because they are PS5 exclusives. Despite what people wanna say. Many people are still only on Switch and PS4. If they had PS4 ports the games would sale like they used to. Inflation is eating up alot of peoples expendable cash,so buying a new console with 70$ games is asking alot for this economy
PS5 is still heavily scalped by scalpers. It does not have any good exclusives (so far) and it is still quite expensive. I'd rather upgrade my current PC than buy it and sell my PS4 when it no longer is supported.
I don’t have a Steam deck, I don’t play on PC much anymore. But my primary console is Switch. I play that everyday for at least a few minute. My PS4 and PS5 haven’t even had power running to them for the past three months.
I enjoyed ff16, but lets be honest, its not at the same level as ff10 or ff7 original. IMO, they need to stop spreading themselves too thin: ff16 had all the makings of an amazing game. However, the sub quests were boring, and for a game that is supposed to appease rpg fans, it not only moved from turn based, which is a change tht old dieharder fans didnt want, but it also reduced other rpg elements from it.
I really want them to solve their quality problems: I would hate it if they learn the wrong lessons and dont try another ff16. Their problem is not exclusivity(although its much better to just get rid of it and release it on pc) their problem is they need better writers. With great stories, their games will shine again.
Agree with the side quests lol. Plus the gameplay got very repetitive real quick. But overall it was very good. Story, dialogue, characters are well crafted. What baffles me is people thinking that 16 is a "single button mash" game when it clearly isn't. People would really believe someone on Twitter playing with the "Accessibility" equipment on.
I disagree. FF16 has some of the best moments in all FF. And my fav FF was 10 before 16.
It is a mixed bag of things, like most people have to work 2 jobs just to pay their bills, we are in a situation governments are sitting on their butts not reforming economic systems and regulating corporate greed, or redistributing wealth to working class to spend on the economy as much as they should, Not everyone owns a PS5, AND FF16/FF7RB, or let alone have time for playing these games, I also hope people take into account that the games are MASTERPIECES, PERIOD. They were well made and structured games, I HATE seeing just because they didn't sell well, that they are now getting a bunch of needless hate from some people who have not even played the games themselves, some of which are from the garbage anti woke communities on comments attacking the game dishonestly, it's so stupid, there are many factors on why a game succeeds in an artistic level and view, and why it should be a separate conversation to it's business aspects in some ways, cause can it do bad because the games are unappealing? Sure, but this is not that conversation, it's about the fact people can barely afford a PS5 AND do not have time to play these games, having these games exclusive to the PS5 was also a big mistake, as it isolates it from some communities who would love to play it, but can not access it because they have either another platform or do not have money to afford to play it, as stated above, or feel they have no time to play it all together.
I hope things improve for Square, I REALLY do not want any cut corners for the final installment for the final game of FF7 remake saga, I want them to go all out, even if they have to postpone it's development down the line so they can take their time producing this behemoth of a game.
Not everyone has a steam deck lol 😂 we can't afford one
If you can afford a PS5 for remake, rebirth and part 3, then you def can afford an OLED Steam Deck
As someone who feels alienated as an old fan and have been gaslit by fans who can't see no wrong with the brand I honestly can't care any less for FF anymore.
They wanna chase some random audience who was never there? Go for it just pray they buy your stuff.
SE lost the skill it takes for making money.
Make one emet selch playarts batch and people would shower then with money, instead they do dolfie dolls.
FVCK Y0V square.
Being locked to one console, moving too far from what fans want, and catering far too much to the malfunctioned West.
the thing about the sales is that, i canot do more then what i did
which was purchasing the deluxe edition for both remake and rebirth ( aswell as 16)
the ps5 exclusivity is 100% a problem
thats what happens when you take a game and try so hard to make it into something else. They butchered ff7 in not wanting to go all in. They made the first game a confusing mess, and wanted to amke it stand alone in case they dont go on with the second one. Then they went full on "lets do whatever" on rebirth. Its a sequel but its not, lets tie in the mobile game, lets change the story but lets make it still the same. nothing works, they pushed away the main fans that brought FF to where it is. Then FFXVI would have been so much better as a stand alone game, not a FF. It is not a FF. SE keep pushing the fans that made them a big compagnie. They need to humble themselves
I agree with this and its sad remake/rebirth is so misdirected as they clearly put a lot of work into it 💯
Yeah. They really don't seem to respect or understand what made them so popular.
This is the real answer, but most here want to pretend most people liked it not being a real remake.
Because most of people would wait until it was fully released with DLC
And when the games are finally on PC 2 years after their release don't expect me to pay full price for what is essentially an old game!
Uh it’s not full price. The base game is $50 on steam. The bundle with the game and all dlc included is $70.
So ya you are getting it cheaper.
@@omegaxtrigun well let me know when that $70 turns into $35. 😉
@@omegaxtrigun 50 bucks is still too much to ask for, especially since this game got an Epic Exclusivity period and got released on Steam at the same price as when it first got released on Epic.
Never mind the fact that this is part 1 of a 3 part remake, so technically, SE is still asking 150 bucks or more for the remake itself.
I absolutely love FF XVI's system of almost limitless combos in combat, which kinda is a product of the "only one controllable character" thing. But imagine how much harder Cid's death would've hit if he wasn't just a fun character but a party member you actually rely on. Like, a big part of Aeriths death still being memorable is that tangible sense of loss. That "what the fuck, I need to switch up my party and deal with a change in play style" because let's face it, even though you can mix and match materia, we all used Aerith as a dedicated healer on our first playthrough. Now, even though we lost one of the best Cids ever, at the end of the day he was just a plot device
I'm a huge fan of the original game, but I don't want a pseudo Advent Children sequel about time travelling, fixing the "wrong" original story of the source material and Square's Ethics Department telling me that the designs I love so much are "problematic". I didn't buy the game. Also, since FFXV, the saga doesn't look like a japanese game anymore and with the exception of Kingdom Hearts 4, I've no more interest in Square-Enix's games, and I've been supporting them, buying their games since 1996.
My worry with the sales is that it could compromise what PT3 could be. I'm not into the multiverse Zack stuff but everything that's been happening with the main party has been great, Yuffie and Vincent's stories are going to be strong additions to what was already my favourite stretch of the game. I just hope they give Cid a bit more bite he's the only character who they haven't nailed which is a shame as he was my second favourite character after Yuffie.
Both games are failures. Rebirth/Remake is a betrayal to the original; XVI is just a mess overall.
I am happy going forward they will release on multiple platforms. They need to hurry up with VII Rebirth on PC, I bought it on PS5 and I'd of bought it again 3 months later if it came to PC, even at full price lol. I love that game so much but the longer the wait the less I will buy at full price on PC because the hype is going down each time I have to wait and the many other new releases coming out this year.
Square are both amazing and also so bad in some areas lol.
Totally agree with u on the amount of stuff in Rebirth and yet it's not in another new FF...i.e like 16 which had so little in terms of extras. As much as I love Rebirth they should of put a bit less extras in it and more of that in a new title.
Something that might have cost rebirth sales is the dumb multiple timeline plot that isn't even well put together. Remake was fun and enjoyable until they put that crap front and center. They should have made smarter changes instead of something so drastic and poorly thought out.
This literally has no bearing on anything
@@ontos8914 has some influence but definitely not anywhere close to as much as these idiots think.
@@mikec5400 if you think the split timeline crap is a good idea not even God can fix you.
@@ontos8914That literally has everything to do with it.
You know, most game companies sell MORE games with sequels? *gasp* even story based games with contiuation of the previous game's story. Like Metal Gear Solid series and Resident Evil series.
If sequel tanks with sales, that means you are losing returning customer. Guess why they are not coming back?
What in FF7 Remake pissed off the customer the most?
@@ontos8914 @mikec5400 Rebirth's poor sales prove otherwise. You can't cope that's it was just a minority anymore when Rebirth sold poorly.
The problem is the playstation namebrand alone just cant bring in the amount of sales if it were to have launched on steam, xbox and playstation day one. Look at the sales of 15 which did this vs 16/rebirth
I only buy these types of games on PC now. I bought my PS4 to play the entire FF7RM (and FF15). When they split it up and boosted PS5, I refused to buy the next console.
PC Games are for life and they get mods which make them better. I don't want to rebuy the games every new console generation.
Microsoft just bought out Activision/Blizzard. Pretty sure their gaming development isn't going away. Likely X-Box will have a lot of exclusives.
As for Final Fantasy 16. I probably won't buy it until they fix it up, which means I might as well wait for a steam sell. By then either they have it fixed, or it will be fixed by mods. It honestly feels like square is just using PC to double dip. Which is why they delay the release for a year. What they are hoping is the fans will buy it on console then turn around and buy it again on PC a year later because of some "new features". FF15 they straight up lied about their modding support just to boost PC sells.
I think it's funny how corporate always has such lofty expectations when Yoshi P said that XVI sold about as much as he expected.