Thank you John. Your videos are always like a breath of fresh air. If we are to reach our true potential, we need a more sane and loving attitude. I am surprised of how little it takes these days for people to get offended. A big hug to you, from Transylvania, Romania.
I did see massive social media screaming and ranting and boycotting and declarations of utter disgust over this. This was very stressful to read. Thank you for your calm opinion❤
I never once thought of the Lst Supper watching that segment. It looked like a Bachannalian feast to me. If you want to get offended by that, then fine. For one thing there were too many people to reflect the Last Supper painting. Just a bunch of mean spirited people desperately seeking to be offended.
Thanks John! I watched it all and honestly didnt even think it was about the last supper 😂. My family and i were enjoying the creativity of the whole thing and as you said, the inclusivity of all.
I think the root of Christian hypocrisy for this (and many other things) may be a book (and the teaching of said book) that was meant to be a guide for living, loving, creating, etc. that was "translated" into a book of mostly fear, low self-worth (born a sinner, etc.), and obedience to religion versus right action, words, thoughts, etc. JMHO having been "brought up" in Christian churches and always feeling something was off (even as a young child). Thanks for the perspective!
Hey John, I heard of the controversy in the US over the Olympics opening show. France is a secular country with a long artistic tradition. It wasn't an issue here in New Zealand. We kind of expect the French to be a little controversial.
I agree 💯! I was talking with someone who took offense, and my question or thought I proposed to think about was, think about who was invited and who would be invited today. BTW, I did watch the opening ceremony and didn't pick up on it at all. I thought it was a DJ jamming with a bunch of people, and then models walked by. When I learned about it, I loved the inclusion! We are all God's children. ❤
They have made a mountain out of a molehill. My FB friend said that all the USA athletes should have walked out in protest. (After working hard, saving money and practicing for 4 years). 🤷♀️
@@johnofnew Well, if the Christian Nationalists get their way with Project 2025, we will be. It's a 900+ page instruction book on making everything and everyone Christian in America.
@@johnofnew I hope we can remain a country where everyone is free to believe (or not). I think that this election is the most important one of my life.
This is unrelated to the Last Supper; it pertains to the Greek god Dionysus, who represents wine, pleasure, and celebration. The Romans referred to him as Bacchus. The Olympics were not exclusively a Christian event, and it's time to stop confining everything to a Christian perspective. Many faiths exist, and each can be valid if they promote the loving growth of the Soul. Humanity cannot progress if it continues this narrow-mindedness. Those who believe they possess all the answers and that their path is the only true one are missing the essence of life on Earth. Furthermore, many Christians do not adhere to Christ's teachings but instead follow intermediaries who misrepresent Him.
“I’m not a sports fan, I’m a coffee fan!” - LOL, that quote explains me so well. Let’s put that on a bumper sticker, huh? 😂 But seriously, while I barely know anything about this controversy, the hypocrisy only compounds when you realize they distorted Jesus’s whole life story almost beyond recognition - to the point where it’s only now we’re beginning to rediscover what he originally meant to teach. Maybe they’d be less upset about this, if they knew the full extent to which they misread Jesus completely... FOR THE BETTER PART OF 2 MILLENNIA.
As an Orthodox I just shrugged it off Let them… They want us to react. They want us to be in anger. They want to fuel our hate and negativity. Don’t respond or react to them, but rather put my trust and faith in LOVE Any reaction would be antithetical to what Jeshua taught which was LOVE and PEACE PS it’s not like He didn’t warn us either ( John 15:18-25 )
yes and according to the one who put it together it wasn't the last supper is was a representation of a bacchanalia. That is why it wasn't Jesus but the Greek god Dionysus.
This controversy just makes me shake my head lol... people choose to be offended by anything. I just think that they have such a narrow and shallow belief if they have to defend it and get offended. Look what happened with "life of Brian" 🙄
I observe that the controversy fits the overall artistic expression so well that it could hardy be better planned; Joan of Arc, depicted as the torchbearer, was burned alive on behalf of England for the "blasphemy" of crossdressing. Enflaming the english speaking world about crossdressing is almost poetic in the context of how the opening ceremony was so heavy with expressions of french history. I'm not saying the controversy is good, nor am I saying I agree with either side. I am saying I see the whole thing as art, and that carefully crafted.
I identify their behavior as hateful the same way I identify lots of human behavior as hateful. the question is, what is my response to it? and for me, it's simply not something I chose to lose sleep over or get angry about. it doesn't help anything or anyone.
I guess we all can be accused of hypocrisy for one thing or another - but conservative Christians are particularly obnoxious about their religious hypocrisy. If one of them told me something about this issue I’d tell them to stop being ridiculous or go bother someone else with their baseless gripe. I have told some of them off concerning their attacks on Taylor Swift - I do not like those sanctimonious people. Yes, the goal is to be loving toward everyone but this dualistic world makes that nearly impossible - plus you don’t have to like all people.
There is so much hypocrisy in the conservative Christian church today. It just makes me shake my head. I was baptized Catholic, and even though I was not raised Catholic, I grew up going to Unitarian church. We learned about the teachings of Jesus, and I was taught that he was a very caring and inclusive and loving individual. He didn’t exclude anyone, ever. He taught us to love everyone. I don’t recognize that version of Jesus in what these kind of Christians do and the things they say. It seems like Bizarro World Jesus for lack of a better term. They are hateful and non-inclusive and fearful. They make no sense.
Merci John ! Je précise qu'en aucun cas il ne s'agit de la Cène de Léonard De Vinci, le tableau qui a servi d'inspiration est "Le festin des dieux" de Jan Harmensz. van BIJLERT : "Sur l’Olympe, les dieux sont rassemblés pour un banquet célébrant le mariage de Thétis et Pélée. À gauche se tiennent Minerve, Diane, Mars et Vénus accompagnés de l’Amour. Flore, la déesse du printemps, se trouve derrière eux. Apollon couronné, identifiable à sa lyre, préside au centre de la table. On reconnaît plus loin Hercule avec sa massue et Neptune avec son trident. À l’extrême-droite, Eris a déposé sur la table la pomme de la discorde. Certains dieux manquent, probablement en raison de la coupure dont la toile a souffert sur la partie gauche ; la présence du paon de Junon le laisse penser. Le thème du festin de dieux était populaire en Hollande ; le Mariage de Psyché et Amour d'Hendrick Goltzius déclencha une abondante production d’œuvres illustrant ce sujet." Bonne journée :)
Hi John, the person who created the visual - says it had nothing to do with the last supperIt was absolutely. Supposed to be The Greek God Dionysus ( the god of wine & festivity) What is France known for? Its WINE! Who started the Olympics, Greece, of course. What is being mistaken for the table of the last supper was actually a runway, for a fashion show that was happening right after the opening ceremony . You’re absolutely right, about the real problem being the “players” were not people main stream christians like to acknowledge have a right to exist… Unbelievable …
I'd be interested in hearing what your take is regarding the situation in the women's Olympic boxing. I know you don't watch it, I don't either, but there are plenty of clips regarding certain matches that are easy to find on social media.
...I'm...gonna be honest...if Jeshua could stand against the religious and political oppression, even tending to the wound of one who sought his capture, I cannot understand why people would be hung up on this. I...try not to judge. I try to not compare myself to others. I have a simple question for the people that have these issues: If it was turbans instead of drag queens, would you have the same issue with it? Isn't Jeshua's whole message is to love thy neighbor? ...I swear...back in Rome when Christians were oppressed, the Usurper decided to flip the script and oppress others SUPER hard. I feel Dogma should be required viewing for ANYONE who claims to be "Christian"...for...if there is a Good and Kind Yahwe, that being MUST have a good sense of humor...otherwisr the platypus wouldn't exist. From my standpoint, I view that entity more like the Gnostic view.
Unfortunately, this is usually the case. SMH. I am into the Olympics, but I had not heard of it because this type of stuff just doesn't register with me. It's like "really" and I move on. These people seem to have so much contempt for others, it's really a shame that they can spend time finding offense with things that have nothing to do with the vast majority of them. It's just yet another thing for them to launch their negativity at, and, it is usually hypocritical. Oh well.
The official response from Olympic spokesperson was that it was not "The Last Supper" being portrayed. Rather it was a celebration of Dionysus & followers.
John I am not a Christian. From what I looked into afterwards their motives was not about art. Looks like they wanted to offend and were happy this offended. Offending people on purpose is not love. The apologies only started when the ADs were pulled. Just saying.
There's also a double-standard on who is allowed and not allowed to be offended. I can understand why the Christians are upset but then it is mockery of a painting that was later idolized just like any other work of art of that era. I think the opening was cringe and slightly disgusting, but again who is allowed to be offended these days?
@@johnofnew "The opening ceremony did ruffle some feathers… and I LOVE it," Doll wrote on his Instagram Stories on Monday morning. "You know why? Because the Olympics are the biggest stage in the world and us queer people have always been the audience of other people’s life and achievement and it is time that we are welcome in the space." FYI Doll was a torchbearer and part of the ceremony. That is one quote. While there is no smoking gun you have some intelligence. They knew it would be offensive. The backlash is massive. Read the news. All of them are sticking to their story. Fine. Many others ARE offended. Give a group a pass for being offensive John. I had to talk to my 25 year old son who has Asperger's like such: SON: "Those people should kill themselves for doing that!" ME: "What? Did you really find that offensive?" SON:"Yeah" ME:"Your're not a Christian" SON:"No but I still find it offensive" Me:"Do you think they did it on purpose? SON:"Yes" ME:" Look we don't want anyone to kill themselves. Best we can hope for is that they learn from this and try not to offend anyone in the future. If I was offended I would forgive them and forgive myself as well and quickly forget about it." SON:"Yeah okay." They were offensive and knew it would be offensive. I really don't care about this I think it is stupid. But John you are not even close on your message. You only spoke of hypocrisy and false idols of a faith and "no offense was given" and the hate and fear of those offended. I expected "try not to be offensive to other people and if you are offended forgive and forget. Don't let bitterness into your heart." Like I said I really don't care about this but it sure sounds like your giving a pass to those who offended and feel that it was not an offensive thing to do. You have your opinion and I have mine. Go in peace John and best wishes and love to you for I am already over this.
Raising a son with Asperger's has challenged me to cut to the core on issues when he asks questions. Similar to the why question that was asked. This is what I explained to him: Artists, inventors, innovators and such need not be burdened with whom they might offend, to live in fear of offending. Greatness has never been achieved by not pushing boundaries and playing it safe. So create and don't worry about the rest. People get offended for a variety of reasons. That is their problem to solve if they feel offended. People cannot live in fear of being offended by the world. If you do get offended then here is a tool that I use. Forgive them, forgive yourself, and get on with your life. If you can truly forgive you will quickly forget and therefore prevent bitterness from entering your heart and affecting you. If you cannot forgive you need to have a serious conversation with yourself. I don't get into the weeds with the who, why, where etc. I found that to be a waste of time. I do not like how John handled this and decided to push back to get people to think by arguing on specifics that really are not important. I felt John should have stayed at the 30,000 foot level instead of stepping right into it. That's my opinion. Don't mean I am right. Guess it is my fault for higher expectations. My problem to deal with no one else's. Have a good day.
A great big "THANK YOU" for sharing your opinion on this subject. As a Jeshua loving former christian I appreciate you and your thoughts that make so much sense 💖
The algorithm brought some videos about this my way but most presenters are also hung up on the question of "Is the Pope a Catholic" and the issues are equally engaging to me: just not interested. Invoking Divinity to back up one's views always seems like arguing from authority to me. The pros and cons either way are not worth considering in my view. For me the more off-putting thing is the hero worship and parochialism on the media networks, the money, etc.
I am all for creativity but don’t do it at the expense of someone else’s religion. Just as the Christens were bothered by this I feel it was done on purpose to bother them. Humans need to respect differences and just be kind. Respect works both ways as far as I see it.
Though the director said it depicted a Bacchanalia not the last supper. The only similarity to the last supper was people on one side of a table. On a per senium stage that's how you stage it. Christians are offended because people are standing on one side of the table and it's slightly resembled the last some of her by Leonardo da Vinci. It had nothing to do with that painting. And that painting is not a holy relic. Christians are choosing to believe it's an offense to them when it isn't.
@@johnofnew as long as it wasn’t meant to hurt others beliefs then that’s fine. I just read that director didn’t intend that. I just feel acceptance is something every human needs to work on in many different aspects. We all need to accept that all our different beliefs are valid to the individual. Once we can understand that we will move forward and the world will be a better place. I apologize for not knowing the full story.
My Sister and her husband committed on that this weekend. They were so critical of that. My sister was saying we're all going to hell because of that painting. It bothered me that she said that because my kid is Trans. I really didn't want it to bother me, but it hurt. I believe as you do that God is love and he has no ego that's a human notion. Thank you for saying that. I really need to let this go.
The funniest part to me about this is, the Dan Brown conspiracy book. Apparently Da Vinci wasn’t a Christian and he was making fun of Christians in all of his art. So, if the original painting is poking fun at Christians, why are they so upset now?🤦♀😸
Brilliant point- I think this adds value to this bit of performance as actually making a clever artistic statement perhaps. The French get art, I think it was possibly very tongue-in-cheek. Hmm, I appreciate it now! Thanks! 😂💚
Gosh, I am responding a lot today. Lol. I am honestly wondering if Jesus would have actually taken all of this with a great sense of humour. He never felt strict or stiff to me. But who knows.
Thanks. I appreciate your take on this. I don't think Jesus would have cared, but I have doubts that their intentions were purely about inclusivity. They were sticking it to Christians. To me there are implications of the state seizing power from the moral authority of Chrisitanity. You and I know that is a man made authority, at any rate it was a guiding light to the development of western society and thought. However, this feels less about love inclusivity and more about enforcing new rules and cultural norms. You HAVE TO accept gay and trans and whatever, if not you are evil. Some people believe it is a sin to be gay and they are frustrated with the moral posturing of this kind of thing. At any rate this is a very complex topic. It is not as black and white as it is being made out to be, which is a large part of the problem. Thanks for your thoughts.
I disagree. I think it is hypocritical to say you follow Jesus who said "Love one another" and "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers that you do unto me" and then condemn anyone for who they are. If "God is Love" then why hate? "Judge not least ye shall be judged" The response is nothing but judgement from the mind of man IMO
What is the opposite of "accepting " people? Rejecting them? Hurting them? Excluding them? Why should anyone be troubled by having to "accept" people? It doesn't mean you have to agree with them. We ALL have to accept the fact that we need to share the world with people who are different. The unwillingness to do so is the cause of many of our problems, imo.
@@jennifernordlund2691 ok. I should have used support instead of accept. My point is some people believe homosexuality is a sin. They don't want to support it or that type of lifestyle. To them the way it is presented it is like supporting robbery.
@notmarealnameboi and who is forcing you to "support" anyone? I don't believe in or support or approve of religions that promote hatred and fear. But many people belong to them. And I don't take it upon myself to harass and insult and try to change them. I don't favor laws that take away their freedom to live as they choose. In my opinion, it's a bad choice, even an immoral choice, if you want to put it that way. But I ACCEPT that not everyone thinks the way I do, and that they have a right to make their own decisions about how they want to live.
Thank you John 🙂 for doing a video on this. I always value your thoughts. I know i asked you about it. I don't follow Christianity or the Olympics either but the Paris Olympics keeps popping up in my face on RUclips and so I can't unsee it. So i watched and just think Christians are making a big deal out of nothing. You have a great day too 👋🏽♥️
Hey I'm a fan I love your teachings but my question isn't about the video it's about something else what do you think of prophecies Christians spread I've begun to realize most are false and lies and fear mongering that's one of the reasons I'm losing faith but I've seen your videos about revelations and I agree with them but what about other prophecies are they scams like he April 8th Eclipse Prophecy or are some true and if some do come true are they coincidences?
I told folks on social media that Jesus would break bread with the folks in the opening ceremony. I believe he would have washed their feet as well. 😊
Thank you John. Your videos are always like a breath of fresh air. If we are to reach our true potential, we need a more sane and loving attitude. I am surprised of how little it takes these days for people to get offended. A big hug to you, from Transylvania, Romania.
Thank you John for creating a place we can disagree even strongly and still love each other! I don’t know any other corners of the internet like this.
I did see massive social media screaming and ranting and boycotting and declarations of utter disgust over this. This was very stressful to read.
Thank you for your calm opinion❤
And I've had almost 10 people unsubscribe from my channel because of this video. I'm OK with that.
I never once thought of the Lst Supper watching that segment. It looked like a Bachannalian feast to me. If you want to get offended by that, then fine. For one thing there were too many people to reflect the Last Supper painting. Just a bunch of mean spirited people desperately seeking to be offended.
Thanks John! I watched it all and honestly didnt even think it was about the last supper 😂. My family and i were enjoying the creativity of the whole thing and as you said, the inclusivity of all.
I agree. Jesus is Love...for all of us. Thank you, John. 🕊️
I think the root of Christian hypocrisy for this (and many other things) may be a book (and the teaching of said book) that was meant to be a guide for living, loving, creating, etc. that was "translated" into a book of mostly fear, low self-worth (born a sinner, etc.), and obedience to religion versus right action, words, thoughts, etc. JMHO having been "brought up" in Christian churches and always feeling something was off (even as a young child). Thanks for the perspective!
Hey John, I heard of the controversy in the US over the Olympics opening show. France is a secular country with a long artistic tradition. It wasn't an issue here in New Zealand. We kind of expect the French to be a little controversial.
Oh man! I need to move to New Zealand!
Thank you John! ❤️🤟🏼🌟
I agree 💯! I was talking with someone who took offense, and my question or thought I proposed to think about was, think about who was invited and who would be invited today. BTW, I did watch the opening ceremony and didn't pick up on it at all. I thought it was a DJ jamming with a bunch of people, and then models walked by. When I learned about it, I loved the inclusion! We are all God's children. ❤
They have made a mountain out of a molehill. My FB friend said that all the USA athletes should have walked out in protest. (After working hard, saving money and practicing for 4 years). 🤷♀️
protesting what? We aren't a christian nation
@@johnofnew Well, if the Christian Nationalists get their way with Project 2025, we will be. It's a 900+ page instruction book on making everything and everyone Christian in America.
@@johnofnew I hope we can remain a country where everyone is free to believe (or not). I think that this election is the most important one of my life.
Love ya x" I'm not a sports fan...I'm a coffee fan", me too! 😂 xx love from UK x
This is unrelated to the Last Supper; it pertains to the Greek god Dionysus, who represents wine, pleasure, and celebration. The Romans referred to him as Bacchus. The Olympics were not exclusively a Christian event, and it's time to stop confining everything to a Christian perspective. Many faiths exist, and each can be valid if they promote the loving growth of the Soul. Humanity cannot progress if it continues this narrow-mindedness. Those who believe they possess all the answers and that their path is the only true one are missing the essence of life on Earth. Furthermore, many Christians do not adhere to Christ's teachings but instead follow intermediaries who misrepresent Him.
“I’m not a sports fan, I’m a coffee fan!” - LOL, that quote explains me so well. Let’s put that on a bumper sticker, huh? 😂
But seriously, while I barely know anything about this controversy, the hypocrisy only compounds when you realize they distorted Jesus’s whole life story almost beyond recognition - to the point where it’s only now we’re beginning to rediscover what he originally meant to teach. Maybe they’d be less upset about this, if they knew the full extent to which they misread Jesus completely... FOR THE BETTER PART OF 2 MILLENNIA.
Well said ❤!
Another perfect explanation of a controversial moment in history. Thank you, brother!
As an Orthodox I just shrugged it off
Let them… They want us to react. They want us to be in anger. They want to fuel our hate and negativity. Don’t respond or react to them, but rather put my trust and faith in LOVE
Any reaction would be antithetical to what Jeshua taught which was LOVE and PEACE
PS it’s not like He didn’t warn us either ( John 15:18-25 )
They knew what they were doing.
yes and according to the one who put it together it wasn't the last supper is was a representation of a bacchanalia. That is why it wasn't Jesus but the Greek god Dionysus.
THANK YOU!!
This controversy just makes me shake my head lol... people choose to be offended by anything. I just think that they have such a narrow and shallow belief if they have to defend it and get offended. Look what happened with "life of Brian" 🙄
I observe that the controversy fits the overall artistic expression so well that it could hardy be better planned; Joan of Arc, depicted as the torchbearer, was burned alive on behalf of England for the "blasphemy" of crossdressing. Enflaming the english speaking world about crossdressing is almost poetic in the context of how the opening ceremony was so heavy with expressions of french history.
I'm not saying the controversy is good, nor am I saying I agree with either side. I am saying I see the whole thing as art, and that carefully crafted.
I identify their behavior as hateful the same way I identify lots of human behavior as hateful. the question is, what is my response to it? and for me, it's simply not something I chose to lose sleep over or get angry about. it doesn't help anything or anyone.
I guess we all can be accused of hypocrisy for one thing or another - but conservative Christians are particularly obnoxious about their religious hypocrisy. If one of them told me something about this issue I’d tell them to stop being ridiculous or go bother someone else with their baseless gripe. I have told some of them off concerning their attacks on Taylor Swift - I do not like those sanctimonious people. Yes, the goal is to be loving toward everyone but this dualistic world makes that nearly impossible - plus you don’t have to like all people.
Love and Like are two different things
There is so much hypocrisy in the conservative Christian church today. It just makes me shake my head. I was baptized Catholic, and even though I was not raised Catholic, I grew up going to Unitarian church. We learned about the teachings of Jesus, and I was taught that he was a very caring and inclusive and loving individual. He didn’t exclude anyone, ever. He taught us to love everyone. I don’t recognize that version of Jesus in what these kind of Christians do and the things they say. It seems like Bizarro World Jesus for lack of a better term. They are hateful and non-inclusive and fearful. They make no sense.
I love when you quote Jesus ❤️
Yes AND the young man you created the GREAT olympic "show" to start. Things going .has said the last supper was not at all in his idea.....
Doesn't matter. It wasn't offensive, if you believe God is Love.
Merci John ! Je précise qu'en aucun cas il ne s'agit de la Cène de Léonard De Vinci, le tableau qui a servi d'inspiration est "Le festin des dieux" de Jan Harmensz. van BIJLERT :
"Sur l’Olympe, les dieux sont rassemblés pour un banquet célébrant le mariage de Thétis et Pélée. À gauche se tiennent Minerve, Diane, Mars et Vénus accompagnés de l’Amour. Flore, la déesse du printemps, se trouve derrière eux. Apollon couronné, identifiable à sa lyre, préside au centre de la table. On reconnaît plus loin Hercule avec sa massue et Neptune avec son trident. À l’extrême-droite, Eris a déposé sur la table la pomme de la discorde. Certains dieux manquent, probablement en raison de la coupure dont la toile a souffert sur la partie gauche ; la présence du paon de Junon le laisse penser. Le thème du festin de dieux était populaire en Hollande ; le Mariage de Psyché et Amour d'Hendrick Goltzius déclencha une abondante production d’œuvres illustrant ce sujet."
Bonne journée :)
Hi John, the person who created the visual - says it had nothing to do with the last supperIt was absolutely. Supposed to be The Greek God Dionysus ( the god of wine & festivity) What is France known for? Its WINE! Who started the Olympics, Greece, of course.
What is being mistaken for the table of the last supper was actually a runway, for a fashion show that was happening right after the opening ceremony . You’re absolutely right,
about the real problem being the “players” were not people main stream christians like to acknowledge have a right to exist…
Unbelievable …
Totally agree with you !
I'd be interested in hearing what your take is regarding the situation in the women's Olympic boxing. I know you don't watch it, I don't either, but there are plenty of clips regarding certain matches that are easy to find on social media.
what situation?
@@johnofnew The one where the women were beaten and the Italian female boxer dropped out after 46 seconds due to inclusivity.
...I'm...gonna be honest...if Jeshua could stand against the religious and political oppression, even tending to the wound of one who sought his capture, I cannot understand why people would be hung up on this. I...try not to judge. I try to not compare myself to others. I have a simple question for the people that have these issues: If it was turbans instead of drag queens, would you have the same issue with it? Isn't Jeshua's whole message is to love thy neighbor?
...I swear...back in Rome when Christians were oppressed, the Usurper decided to flip the script and oppress others SUPER hard.
I feel Dogma should be required viewing for ANYONE who claims to be "Christian"...for...if there is a Good and Kind Yahwe, that being MUST have a good sense of humor...otherwisr the platypus wouldn't exist.
From my standpoint, I view that entity more like the Gnostic view.
Dan Maklelan created an amazing response on IG to this whole ridiculousness! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Unfortunately, this is usually the case. SMH. I am into the Olympics, but I had not heard of it because this type of stuff just doesn't register with me. It's like "really" and I move on. These people seem to have so much contempt for others, it's really a shame that they can spend time finding offense with things that have nothing to do with the vast majority of them. It's just yet another thing for them to launch their negativity at, and, it is usually hypocritical. Oh well.
The official response from Olympic spokesperson was that it was not "The Last Supper" being portrayed. Rather it was a celebration of Dionysus & followers.
John I am not a Christian. From what I looked into afterwards their motives was not about art. Looks like they wanted to offend and were happy this offended. Offending people on purpose is not love. The apologies only started when the ADs were pulled. Just saying.
There's also a double-standard on who is allowed and not allowed to be offended. I can understand why the Christians are upset but then it is mockery of a painting that was later idolized just like any other work of art of that era. I think the opening was cringe and slightly disgusting, but again who is allowed to be offended these days?
PLEASE SHOW YOUR SOURCE
@@johnofnew "The opening ceremony did ruffle some feathers… and I LOVE it," Doll wrote on his Instagram Stories on Monday morning. "You know why? Because the Olympics are the biggest stage in the world and us queer people have always been the audience of other people’s life and achievement and it is time that we are welcome in the space."
FYI Doll was a torchbearer and part of the ceremony.
That is one quote. While there is no smoking gun you have some intelligence. They knew it would be offensive. The backlash is massive. Read the news.
All of them are sticking to their story. Fine. Many others ARE offended.
Give a group a pass for being offensive John.
I had to talk to my 25 year old son who has Asperger's like such:
SON: "Those people should kill themselves for doing that!"
ME: "What? Did you really find that offensive?"
SON:"Yeah"
ME:"Your're not a Christian"
SON:"No but I still find it offensive"
Me:"Do you think they did it on purpose?
SON:"Yes"
ME:" Look we don't want anyone to kill themselves. Best we can hope for is that they learn from this and try not to offend anyone in the future. If I was offended I would forgive them and forgive myself as well and quickly forget about it."
SON:"Yeah okay."
They were offensive and knew it would be offensive. I really don't care about this I think it is stupid.
But John you are not even close on your message. You only spoke of hypocrisy and false idols of a faith and "no offense was given" and the hate and fear of those offended.
I expected "try not to be offensive to other people and if you are offended forgive and forget. Don't let bitterness into your heart."
Like I said I really don't care about this but it sure sounds like your giving a pass to those who offended and feel that it was not an offensive thing to do.
You have your opinion and I have mine. Go in peace John and best wishes and love to you for I am already over this.
Raising a son with Asperger's has challenged me to cut to the core on issues when he asks questions. Similar to the why question that was asked.
This is what I explained to him:
Artists, inventors, innovators and such need not be burdened with whom they might offend, to live in fear of offending. Greatness has never been achieved by not pushing boundaries and playing it safe. So create and don't worry about the rest.
People get offended for a variety of reasons. That is their problem to solve if they feel offended. People cannot live in fear of being offended by the world.
If you do get offended then here is a tool that I use. Forgive them, forgive yourself, and get on with your life. If you can truly forgive you will quickly forget and therefore prevent bitterness from entering your heart and affecting you.
If you cannot forgive you need to have a serious conversation with yourself.
I don't get into the weeds with the who, why, where etc. I found that to be a waste of time.
I do not like how John handled this and decided to push back to get people to think by arguing on specifics that really are not important.
I felt John should have stayed at the 30,000 foot level instead of stepping right into it. That's my opinion. Don't mean I am right. Guess it is my fault for higher expectations. My problem to deal with no one else's. Have a good day.
A great big "THANK YOU" for sharing your opinion on this subject. As a Jeshua loving former christian I appreciate you and your thoughts that make so much sense 💖
I don’t think many people are even watching the Olympics.
THANK YOU SO MUCH JOHN YAASSSS❤❤❤
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Love your take on this 'controvery'' ❤
The algorithm brought some videos about this my way but most presenters are also hung up on the question of "Is the Pope a Catholic" and the issues are equally engaging to me: just not interested. Invoking Divinity to back up one's views always seems like arguing from authority to me. The pros and cons either way are not worth considering in my view. For me the more off-putting thing is the hero worship and parochialism on the media networks, the money, etc.
I am all for creativity but don’t do it at the expense of someone else’s religion. Just as the Christens were bothered by this I feel it was done on purpose to bother them. Humans need to respect differences and just be kind. Respect works both ways as far as I see it.
Though the director said it depicted a Bacchanalia not the last supper. The only similarity to the last supper was people on one side of a table. On a per senium stage that's how you stage it. Christians are offended because people are standing on one side of the table and it's slightly resembled the last some of her by Leonardo da Vinci. It had nothing to do with that painting. And that painting is not a holy relic. Christians are choosing to believe it's an offense to them when it isn't.
@@johnofnew as long as it wasn’t meant to hurt others beliefs then that’s fine. I just read that director didn’t intend that. I just feel acceptance is something every human needs to work on in many different aspects. We all need to accept that all our different beliefs are valid to the individual. Once we can understand that we will move forward and the world will be a better place. I apologize for not knowing the full story.
Talk about movie John try "The interview with God" I already watch over 20 time already coz I believe that movie answered my prayer.
Thank you, John!!
My Sister and her husband committed on that this weekend. They were so critical of that. My sister was saying we're all going to hell because of that painting. It bothered me that she said that because my kid is Trans. I really didn't want it to bother me, but it hurt. I believe as you do that God is love and he has no ego that's a human notion. Thank you for saying that. I really need to let this go.
The funniest part to me about this is, the Dan Brown conspiracy book. Apparently Da Vinci wasn’t a Christian and he was making fun of Christians in all of his art. So, if the original painting is poking fun at Christians, why are they so upset now?🤦♀😸
Brilliant point- I think this adds value to this bit of performance as actually making a clever artistic statement perhaps. The French get art, I think it was possibly very tongue-in-cheek. Hmm, I appreciate it now! Thanks! 😂💚
Its just of bunch of people in costumes acting silly 😂
Gosh, I am responding a lot today. Lol. I am honestly wondering if Jesus would have actually taken all of this with a great sense of humour. He never felt strict or stiff to me. But who knows.
He wouldn't judge it at all and most likely taught it off IMO
Thanks. I appreciate your take on this. I don't think Jesus would have cared, but I have doubts that their intentions were purely about inclusivity. They were sticking it to Christians. To me there are implications of the state seizing power from the moral authority of Chrisitanity. You and I know that is a man made authority, at any rate it was a guiding light to the development of western society and thought. However, this feels less about love inclusivity and more about enforcing new rules and cultural norms. You HAVE TO accept gay and trans and whatever, if not you are evil. Some people believe it is a sin to be gay and they are frustrated with the moral posturing of this kind of thing. At any rate this is a very complex topic. It is not as black and white as it is being made out to be, which is a large part of the problem. Thanks for your thoughts.
I disagree. I think it is hypocritical to say you follow Jesus who said "Love one another" and "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers that you do unto me" and then condemn anyone for who they are. If "God is Love" then why hate? "Judge not least ye shall be judged" The response is nothing but judgement from the mind of man IMO
What is the opposite of "accepting " people? Rejecting them? Hurting them? Excluding them? Why should anyone be troubled by having to "accept" people? It doesn't mean you have to agree with them. We ALL have to accept the fact that we need to share the world with people who are different. The unwillingness to do so is the cause of many of our problems, imo.
@@jennifernordlund2691 ok. I should have used support instead of accept. My point is some people believe homosexuality is a sin. They don't want to support it or that type of lifestyle. To them the way it is presented it is like supporting robbery.
@notmarealnameboi and who is forcing you to "support" anyone? I don't believe in or support or approve of religions that promote hatred and fear. But many people belong to them. And I don't take it upon myself to harass and insult and try to change them. I don't favor laws that take away their freedom to live as they choose. In my opinion, it's a bad choice, even an immoral choice, if you want to put it that way. But I ACCEPT that not everyone thinks the way I do, and that they have a right to make their own decisions about how they want to live.
Dogma was a great movie!
Thank you John 🙂 for doing a video on this. I always value your thoughts. I know i asked you about it. I don't follow Christianity or the Olympics either but the Paris Olympics keeps popping up in my face on RUclips and so I can't unsee it. So i watched and just think Christians are making a big deal out of nothing. You have a great day too 👋🏽♥️
Inclusive.
Thank you 🌞 ❤
Hey I'm a fan I love your teachings but my question isn't about the video it's about something else what do you think of prophecies Christians spread I've begun to realize most are false and lies and fear mongering that's one of the reasons I'm losing faith but I've seen your videos about revelations and I agree with them but what about other prophecies are they scams like he April 8th Eclipse Prophecy or are some true and if some do come true are they coincidences?
The future is substance awaiting direction. There is no fate , destiny, or preplanned missions IMO
@@johnofnew thank you for answering I've just been anxious lately seeing all the end time videos
Lovin the image of Jesus laughing !