TheMainManSWE d2,3 when the opponent is down will guarantee a launch with qcf 4,4 (maybe other inputs too) as demonstrated at 15:43 in the original clip. It will only stun if the opponent is already on its feet. No plus frames nor are follow ups guaranteed if I recall correctly
I already know it, casually discovered in story mode. I also do something similar in T6 with Lars, anyway you can find others situations as well, often not that good, but this one with Heihachi is useful.
I have seen crazydongpal use the same crazy Hei techs. Boa Luvb, Crazydongpal, Choksae and Ikari all of them are mishima gods, they use such crazy techs and watching them play is always so entertaining
- i watched knee body choksae in a kazuya mirror match - choksae bodied boa luv -boa is significantly harder than choksae for knee in a match up tekken is strange
I hope he found the video with no commentary eventually. Wrestling the eel in TMM's company is something I don't need to experience before I die, I guess the majority of people would think the same.
d+2+3 (Battering Ram) Even if it can be useless, It's still a badass looking move. Not to mention how in the story mode Battering Ram becomes a power crush (absorbing even lows) and launches the opponent in the air followed by an Automatic OTGF. That just makes the move even more badass.
As a Heihachi main myself since the very beginning, I have often heard/read/been asked.... 'Why would you pick Heihachi over the other mishimas , hes the weakest'......fellow Hei mains already know the secret, but I shall share the answer to the question with you all now. Simply,....'He is the coolest, most badass one out of them all'...nothing more. .....Frame data - irrelevant,...... counter hit tools - irrelevant, ........quality of his lows - irrelevant,...….. any other excuse you wish to place - irrelevant. Its Heihachi, he's cool.
haha Heihachi is Tekken and Tekken is Heihachi... I've used him since T2 and was the first character I played. Why you ask, because he looks badass and he has so many cool looking attacks. Awesome Character hope he is in tekken 8.
for the d2+3 into ff2; as you said the opponent cant move, but they also cant neutral gaurd. I think its likely that the kazuya was mashing backdash instead of holding back and got hit during a neutral inout of his backdash.
I think after a screw, mid distance set-up, it gives enough stun for you to dash forward and do tile splitter for an oki combo set up where if ur opponent techs and or back rolls, they get stunned for a free f/f+2 launch, and if they do nothing it allows the set-up reset with HS->ws4 -> b+1,2
Boa was stunned by Heihachi's ground pound as he was standing up. Maybe he pressed "b" to get up? If Kazuya stayed grounded, he would have bounced up from the ground pound.
I've seen Heihachi fully reset off that move. I hope someone else has the clip. Some weird b+3 setup, into the ground pound, then he picked them up with a iWR4. It throws them into the air if the move connects with the ground as they're lying on the ground. -While rising-
pretty interesting. is a person damage immune while getting off the ground. It looked like the move landed while he was halfway up. can a block be produced from that early in the rise?, I know i have f,f 2 people with like Kazumi while they are getting up. has anyone actually looked at the properties getting up. are the people blue? is there a flash where they can be hit?, how early can a block be produced, after the get up input has been entered? i honestly don't know any of this. I am kinda dumb , ya know.
Oki is something, vortex is something else. When you reset a combo, and on waking up there is a 50/50 chance for another min/full combo tha's a vortex! You can't call Kaz's ff4 as oki a "vortex". Xiaoyu has vortexes, she can totally launch you again into another combo, endlessly.
3:02 i did it once accidentally in a match and it worked , is it a proper setup or did bao press something ? weird move . also my opponent asked me if that was an unblockable setup , i guess he might have also pressed something
@@emmanuelbobis7913 nothing is guaranteed, if he does it while you are standing , you are stunned for a moment , can't move but you can block his ff2 if you just hold back , if you try to jab or side step his incoming ff2 you will get hit If someone is on the ground , this move bounces them off the floor into the air for a while , but I couldn't connect anything while they were in the air , maybe a super fast omen might hit who knows
Actually I took this into practice mode for a closer analysis. Turns out rbnorways is wrong or the -3 means something else. It appears d2+3 vs opponents on their feet leaves Heihachi at +32g. I tested by recording Heihachi doing d2+3 into d1+4. His d1+4 unblockable is i60. i28 moves will trade with the unblockable. So TL;DR d2+3 leaves Heihachi at +32g vs opponents who are on their feet. Therefore all you get is a mix up opportunity.
Dude anyone know the name of this manga in which after an accident the mc who is still a kid starts to see lines by following which he can cut anything and the first thing he cuts is a table using a fruit knife
I use the ground pound after FF2 sometimes fet a launch on it or just to get people off tempo then electric them. I find it very interesting i thought i was the only one to use it
He was probably trying to side step or something, if you do anything other thank back blocking or jumping over it, you're stunned long enough for that ff2
Choksae is so amazing, his Mishimas have always and probably will always be my favorite, I just have always loved watching him play, amazing games as always by the man 🖤 And love for BoA too, he’s amazing 🖤
These Mishima gods trade 'Perfects' like KO's. Tekken should add some other form of knockout, like 'Triple-Perfect' or 'Super KO'. 'Great' and 'Perfect' just don't cut it anymore.
Heihachi Mishima is the emperor of Tekken and should be around until the end of time...so i don't know what namco doing killing him off..... tell me namco do you really want to kill off the biggest and most famous name in tekken....the man who started it all?
Look we had jinpachi resurrected in t5 and kazemi is dead in tekken 7 who's to say that grandad of tekken can be playable P S he is harada favourite character
Choksae is a Legend. He has always been the best Mishima player (Devil Jin, Heihachi and Kazuya) !!! He is not a new player from Korea. He has been playing Tekken for a long time. BoA Luvb is the best Kazuya player, but Choksae plays all Mishimas professionally. and iKARi is Naisu 😎
DresAndroidGaming there’s a range where all punishes whiff. Armor king shoulder is ff2 most consistent punishment tho. Even expecting the move it’s still hard to punish. There’s no real block stun so u have to punish it near instantly. But at max range shoulder can whiff so will back 3 and f2,1.
Punit Niranjan thé point of the devil transformation is to get the greatest reward at the highest risk, a 50 damage low and 90 damage mid. Being able to use the greatest 50/50 in the game at full health would be broken
Check out more Choksae here: ruclips.net/video/vVzP0_ehkFc/видео.html
TheMainManSWE d2,3 when the opponent is down will guarantee a launch with qcf 4,4 (maybe other inputs too) as demonstrated at 15:43 in the original clip. It will only stun if the opponent is already on its feet. No plus frames nor are follow ups guaranteed if I recall correctly
I usually watch your channel a lot
Thank you for visiting ChokSae and my channel thx main bro
@@6n3RP do you have any idea what is happening with the stun around minute 3.30?
Can you check out some the tekken world tour 2019 matches
TheMainManSWE i actually just tried it and it gave me the guaranteed launch
When kazuya and heihachi fight it looks like there is a constant earthquake.
True lol
This is the sickest Heihachi I've ever seen
*SORYA*
1:33: After this video, every Heihachi player will do this combo, just wait.
I actually have known this combo for quite some time
Edit: I just ended up not using it, but suddenly it's useful
I'm gonna do it 😎
I already know it, casually discovered in story mode. I also do something similar in T6 with Lars, anyway you can find others situations as well, often not that good, but this one with Heihachi is useful.
Thought the same
I always wonder do people find this kinda stuff by accident ? Like how can u figure that combo
I have seen crazydongpal use the same crazy Hei techs.
Boa Luvb, Crazydongpal, Choksae and Ikari all of them are mishima gods, they use such crazy techs and watching them play is always so entertaining
Lol,i watch all of those players. XD
Whwn good players meet good characters magic happens
Ikari is the homie
Have you heard of Jang Iksu?
Actually choaksea is ikari.They are same
Lars: (swaps sides after a launch)
Heihachi: Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Heihachi: "I think I might know that guy.... Nah, he's nobody."
- i watched knee body choksae in a kazuya mirror match
- choksae bodied boa luv
-boa is significantly harder than choksae for knee in a match up
tekken is strange
Not really, in pro fighting styles make fights at the highest level
This made me realize just how bad I am at tekken
I have this thought everytime I watch mms, or open youtube, or play tekken.
I guess every tekken player has to think the same way
6:54 Reminds me of the Tekken 4 wall game.
1:10 that uf4 hitbox remind me of PSASBR, where I could get a wallbounce with Hachi, with the reverse hitbox
8:55 Damn, that's dirty lol
Tekken 7 is the best spectator fighting game ever made, period.
Hands down
And marvel 3
I agree. But Korean back dash cancel will always look stupid af. D:
Timothy Thomas still 3rd strike for me.
I think any fighting game where one understands what is going on is fun to watch.
Hard core Mishima on Mishima action. I'm gonna have to be alone with this video.
This sounde so fucking wrong.
@@warfighter1988 intentional
@@101mrcrazyman still fucking wrong
I hope he found the video with no commentary eventually. Wrestling the eel in TMM's company is something I don't need to experience before I die, I guess the majority of people would think the same.
d+2+3 (Battering Ram) Even if it can be useless, It's still a badass looking move. Not to mention how in the story mode Battering Ram becomes a power crush (absorbing even lows) and launches the opponent in the air followed by an Automatic OTGF. That just makes the move even more badass.
As a Heihachi main myself since the very beginning, I have often heard/read/been asked.... 'Why would you pick Heihachi over the other mishimas , hes the weakest'......fellow Hei mains already know the secret, but I shall share the answer to the question with you all now.
Simply,....'He is the coolest, most badass one out of them all'...nothing more.
.....Frame data - irrelevant,...... counter hit tools - irrelevant, ........quality of his lows - irrelevant,...….. any other excuse you wish to place - irrelevant.
Its Heihachi, he's cool.
Personally find him stronger than kaz
Manly
haha Heihachi is Tekken and Tekken is Heihachi... I've used him since T2 and was the first character I played. Why you ask, because he looks badass and he has so many cool looking attacks. Awesome Character hope he is in tekken 8.
@@UnorthodoxReviews He deals more damage but kaz is way more of a foe.
Gang shit all heihachi mains rise up
well. choksae is the reason Kazuya's Fc 3+4 was made punishable in later versions of T7. He just spammed it on everybody including Knee.
Yes he’s one of my favourite Mishima him and boalubv always have matches here on RUclips on both of their channels
3:03 He just did a hit the ground like Akuma.
Choksae is legendary. If you've never heard of him ur not a mishima main. He uses so many unique setups.
Tell em coach
Ayy we need to play again. My kaz is improving(barely) also I got a new capture card 😎
Gatekeeping lol
@@G-R-IE-IE-D Haha dude just lmk when ur on. I'm always game for a mishima match :D
Alternism TK 👌😎
for the d2+3 into ff2; as you said the opponent cant move, but they also cant neutral gaurd. I think its likely that the kazuya was mashing backdash instead of holding back and got hit during a neutral inout of his backdash.
I think after a screw, mid distance set-up, it gives enough stun for you to dash forward and do tile splitter for an oki combo set up where if ur opponent techs and or back rolls, they get stunned for a free f/f+2 launch, and if they do nothing it allows the set-up reset with HS->ws4 -> b+1,2
Choksae mishima’s are the coolest & most entertaining to watch !
Choksaes devil Jin is also badass. He dominates with all his mishimas
3:28 it looked like he was still stunned
He backrolled or was late in backrolled
Boa was stunned by Heihachi's ground pound as he was standing up. Maybe he pressed "b" to get up? If Kazuya stayed grounded, he would have bounced up from the ground pound.
"new heihachi tech?"
need that!
Btw if any of you trying to look for choksaes channel it’s under ikari tekken here on RUclips. Boalubv is easy to find
I've seen Heihachi fully reset off that move.
I hope someone else has the clip.
Some weird b+3 setup, into the ground pound, then he picked them up with a iWR4.
It throws them into the air if the move connects with the ground as they're lying on the ground.
-While rising-
I've never seen anyone do a ws4 to pick up, it's usually a hellsweep
Using battery ram on a grounded opponent will bounce them in air
I use that down 2+3 ground punch move (battering ram) from Heihachi to mess people up all the time...and then I wake up lol
it deals damage when you hit them downed on a wall lol
2:44 is the most digusting Heihachi combo i have ever seen.
"You see dhat?"
Is he cosplaying God Rugal with heihachi?
Zanzibar That’s what I thought it was, too.
12:39
Thx Harada
Really been enjoying your content lately
5:30 Damn didn't even know if that was possible
It was a reset combo
pretty interesting. is a person damage immune while getting off the ground. It looked like the move landed while he was halfway up. can a block be produced from that early in the rise?, I know i have f,f 2 people with like Kazumi while they are getting up. has anyone actually looked at the properties getting up. are the people blue? is there a flash where they can be hit?, how early can a block be produced, after the get up input has been entered? i honestly don't know any of this. I am kinda dumb , ya know.
Oki is something, vortex is something else. When you reset a combo, and on waking up there is a 50/50 chance for another min/full combo tha's a vortex! You can't call Kaz's ff4 as oki a "vortex". Xiaoyu has vortexes, she can totally launch you again into another combo, endlessly.
Would've liked to see Choksae use this character on an infinite stage
Great set doe
Thank you TMM for finding so many sick things to watch or learn! You are supercool!
3:02 i did it once accidentally in a match and it worked , is it a proper setup or did bao press something ? weird move . also my opponent asked me if that was an unblockable setup , i guess he might have also pressed something
d2+3 vs opponents that are not grounded leaves heihachi at -3
so bower just fucked up
@@tippingguy8514y yeah lol i tested it and it isnt much of anything
So..guaranteed or not?
@@emmanuelbobis7913 nothing is guaranteed, if he does it while you are standing , you are stunned for a moment , can't move but you can block his ff2 if you just hold back , if you try to jab or side step his incoming ff2 you will get hit
If someone is on the ground , this move bounces them off the floor into the air for a while , but I couldn't connect anything while they were in the air , maybe a super fast omen might hit who knows
Actually I took this into practice mode for a closer analysis.
Turns out rbnorways is wrong or the -3 means something else.
It appears d2+3 vs opponents on their feet leaves Heihachi at +32g.
I tested by recording Heihachi doing d2+3 into d1+4.
His d1+4 unblockable is i60.
i28 moves will trade with the unblockable.
So TL;DR
d2+3 leaves Heihachi at +32g vs opponents who are on their feet. Therefore all you get is a mix up opportunity.
11:20 I never know if basic 1,1,2 now make a wallsplat
AfganiFajarRizky only Hei has wallsplat properties on his 112
@@MegaO2Jammer Ahh, I see, I never know that bcz i didnt play hei that often,
brb changing my main back to hei.
Dude anyone know the name of this manga in which after an accident the mc who is still a kid starts to see lines by following which he can cut anything and the first thing he cuts is a table using a fruit knife
Gee it would be awesome to see your favorite player you look up to at a big tournament. (Hint) ;)
I use the ground pound after FF2 sometimes fet a launch on it or just to get people off tempo then electric them. I find it very interesting i thought i was the only one to use it
I main heihachi now he's super good
Gotta love it when masters make a canonical battle occur with finesse.
Boa didnt duck it still was stun, he didnt recover, when he got ff2
He was probably trying to side step or something, if you do anything other thank back blocking or jumping over it, you're stunned long enough for that ff2
Question : if you use kazuya and ewgf someone from the side, what combo do you use? The BnB doesn't work df 14 ways whiffs
Go into the lab and test what works, normal tailspins are df14 and b4
I think it depends on which side you hit them from.
Use 2,2 as the tailspin?
This is very scary gameplay
Choksae is so amazing, his Mishimas have always and probably will always be my favorite, I just have always loved watching him play, amazing games as always by the man 🖤
And love for BoA too, he’s amazing 🖤
2 of my favorite mishima players
Sick setups but i see how he is beating boa. Aggression. Doesnt stop attacking after a combo just relentless pressure.
These Mishima gods trade 'Perfects' like KO's. Tekken should add some other form of knockout, like 'Triple-Perfect' or 'Super KO'. 'Great' and 'Perfect' just don't cut it anymore.
Indeed but also disappointing how bad they tilt
@@TheTctoocold How bad they tilt? I am sorry but I don't understand.
Is 'tilt' supposed to mean something different in Tekken lingo?
All i want is that heihachis first heelsweep haves the same eff as devil jins
Heihachi win pose is so smug
Choksae also did that against Jimoonace.
Yo TMM I just started playing kazuya a bit what should I do if the enemy keeps crouching?
Xinuz just use f4
f,f +3
Instant while standing 2
Gets them everytime
Bully them by while rising moves, f3 or db4 he has plenty of tools
at 3:00 i think Choksae did that move for style point...if you stay on the ground this move will get heihachi a combo
I used this a lot of times, that's true
I Hope you doing good as always
A us player named vigilant215 uses d 2+3 a lot. He uses it mostly when somebody is on the ground. He’s got some videos on RUclips.
Chokesae use to play in Tekken crash.
Didn’t even mention he side stepped the db4
If you don`t hold back all the time, the ff2 hits there
Y don't you enter any tourneys?
Tmm i love your vids but i actually play Mishimas also and i do that setup with Heihachi also @2:54
I've tried using d 2+3 but I didn't know where I could use it. At the time I wasn't that versed in frame data and was still a bit green.
3:30 he obviously pressed something cause he got hit......
Thanks
Heihachi vs Kazuya lore accurate
Choksae the mishima god player that plays like yoshimitsu
Check out his DVJ super fun haha
no love for mishima star? he's a great player who now's work at namco. he's partly responsible for the well-balanced game we are all enjoying now
This is some good @ss Tekken
MainMan watches Choksae vs BoaLuvb
6:54 Dude..relax
Ora
Now we know why he has poor lows
Nice heihachi
I wish more Tekken characters had side switch combos. It’s the equivalent of Street Fighter’s overhead/crossup combos.
i use d 23 all the time
Edgeworth costume is nice touch
Isn't choksae Keisuke ? ...the same guy that beat guys like knee and other Koreans in a tournament with Kazuya ?
Nope. Different people
Not the same , Choksae beat Knee in tournament with Kazuya too tho .
Keisuke is Japanese, Choksae is Korean
Heihachi Mishima is the emperor of Tekken and should be around until the end of time...so i don't know what namco doing killing him off..... tell me namco do you really want to kill off the biggest and most famous name in tekken....the man who started it all?
Look we had jinpachi resurrected in t5 and kazemi is dead in tekken 7 who's to say that grandad of tekken can be playable P S he is harada favourite character
Choksae ain't no qudans though
Notification made me coom
Maska
And no i don’t think its guaranteed i think it’s a 50/50
Old news mainman
Choksae is a Legend.
He has always been the best Mishima player (Devil Jin, Heihachi and Kazuya) !!! He is not a new player from Korea. He has been playing Tekken for a long time. BoA Luvb is the best Kazuya player, but Choksae plays all Mishimas professionally. and iKARi is Naisu 😎
Shout out to the pokChop... 😂
Heihachi got whack ass clothes
See tas tekken 5 kazuya vs reaven
Mainman: Partying with kazuya is just too much fun
Also Mainman: I'm YoShI/LeI aNd AlL i Do Is PaRtY
I can see that side switch getting patched out
Na why would they. Only hinders the sport to do so
Heihachi ff2 is more unpunished than notcis ora. Push back needs to b nerfed
I hate how it's guaranteed when his FC lows hit you LOL
Armor king can punish it easy, shoulder everytime or b3 to shoulder oooooshh
DresAndroidGaming there’s a range where all punishes whiff. Armor king shoulder is ff2 most consistent punishment tho. Even expecting the move it’s still hard to punish. There’s no real block stun so u have to punish it near instantly. But at max range shoulder can whiff so will back 3 and f2,1.
@@derrickbunch1142 never had the shoulder whiff
DresAndroidGaming that’s cool it still can whiff
I hope they give Kazuya a meter to turn into devil...rage access to devil is pretty useless considering the amount of health left...
Punit Niranjan thé point of the devil transformation is to get the greatest reward at the highest risk, a 50 damage low and 90 damage mid. Being able to use the greatest 50/50 in the game at full health would be broken
Why do people even play Heihachi? Who wants to play an old dude
He's awesome thi
Way more cooler & flashier
1sr
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