Adding warp entities is a bit of a cop out because they don’t occupy space in the same way that the rest of these things do. By that logic, the Hive Mind, which spans multiple galaxies, should come out too?
@@alterego9082 They have explored this in the Tyranid novels over recent years and the inescapable conclusion is that the Tyranids we have seen are a fraction of the whole :)
the hive mind as a whole is huge, but saying that spans multiple galaxies is a bit of a stretch, since it is just a theory that it is surrounding the Milky Way, and it's not even close to do it yet, even though it is a rather small galaxy
In fact, the Hive Ships are much larger, they should start from 50 kilometers. Judge for yourself, these ships literally eat up the entire biosphere of the planet, with the atmosphere and oceans. All this must be placed somewhere, and the size of Gloriana, not to mention 6 kilometers, is clearly not enough.
That was brought up in some old lore where the imperial xenobiologists were struggling to explain where all the mass went, as the hive fleet couldn't have transported more than a tiny fraction of the amount taken. Their best guesses were either that the tyranids were somehow shipping it off somewhere, or that they were dumping it into the warp for some unknown reason.
@@Arson2Fire In this comparison literally loses logic, because the Fenrisian Kraken is literally a Tyranid ship, and not even an advanced Hive Ship, but most likely some of the smaller ships, and which simply adapted to live in the oceans of Fenris instead of the cosmic void, and you want to tell me that will it be larger than the Hive Ships that hold billions armies and Norn Queens? It's just devoid of logic.
I wonder how strong the Unbroken C'Tan are compared to the Chaos gods. We know they fought a unbroken and very powerful Khaine and other peak Eldar gods. Even a Amped Slaanesh with Khorne's help couldn't completely kill a weakened version of Khaine who was fighting off Slaanesh. Just broke him. Imagine what Khaine was like in the War of Heaven days and imagine if Gork and Mork were alive back then as well during the days of the Krorks. That must have been a crazy battlefield of shattered dimensions between the immaterial and the Warp and maybe a few others loke whatever force has infested the Ghoul stars. And Gork and Mork empowered by the Orks in the current age is already enough to make the Chaos gods worried if they ever decide to turn their full attention on them. The Void Dragon must have been the hardest to take down in his prime.
I still think it’s a major failing of GW that Gork and Mork have no canon interactions with the other gods, even if it was just trolling them and making fun of how inferior they are.
@@AFMR0420 Yeah that is unfortunately how bad and disconnected and how undercontructed much of the lore is when it come to these beings GW have created and just refuse to build upon and adapt them. So far Gork and Mork's biggest recent activities have been based around Ghazghskull so far. And we seen how much they messed up the Eldar plot line. Their narrative has been pretty poorly constructed.
The chaos gods can be scaled to outerversal in strength if not boundless to neigh omnipotence, the eldar gods would also scale somewhat below them (including khaine as the chaos gods never really use their full strength like ever even against each other) so the ctan who in their metal bodies can fight eldar gods should also scale around those levels But a safer scaling would be multi galatic to multiversal since the ctan can somewhat stop the warp with the creation of the necrons pylons
So many omissions, so not a definitive detailing but still a great video! It seems when gigantic Tyranid organisms get lost and isolated they evolve to be almost incomprehensibly large. There are a few examples of this in the lore. Nurgle Daemons have a habit of growing ridiculously large too.
You neglected Ghargatuloth from Ben Counter's first Grey Knights novel, a Greater Daemon of Tzeentch with many forms that fully manifests as a tower of shrieking faces taller than the spires of a Hive Superior, easily putting its height in the range of kilometers. He'd be bigger than the shard of the Void Dragon, and comparable in size to the Foulspawn (possibly larger).
The great devourer is the biggest monster. It's an organism with trillions of ship bodies. It’s just that we are multicellular, and he is multi-body. It has eaten many galaxies, and its tentacles wrap around the Milky Way from all directions. He's bigger than the galaxy lol
@@nutbug445 Nope, it's not. At least in the french versions of the codex, it's made really clear that the hive mind is a separate entity, that tyranids and this... godly thing? ... are working together but are not the same.
I wonder how strong are the gods of the WH 40K universe, and by that I mean all of them. C'Tan, Aeldari gods, those Old gods, chaos gods, Empreror of Mankind maybe also xD Too bad that we don't have that much information about them all.
@Nutbug yes I know, but not all of them. As was mentioned by some of the people below in the comments, we can assume, that Khaine ain't a weak god. Also we know that there's a god of death, and an alive god that helps Harlequins.
from what i know of the lore, this is the order i'd put them in: the old gods: not actual gods but a hyper-advanced civilisation, as a faction they were orders of magnitude more powerful than the existing factions in current 40k. It's fair to say as a full civilisation they would have been able wipe out peak humanity without breaking a sweat, emps included, but are at the bottom of this list on an individual level (but would still be relatively godlike to most beings in current 40k). Gork/Mork: as far as i know it's questionable as to whether they actually.... "exist"? in the current lore of the 40k universe? they certainly don't seem to display any real power in the physical plane of the setting that can't be explained by other means. Emperor of mankind: Emps as he has existed is relatively weak on this power scale, even pre-horus heresy, The main difference between him and most entities on this list is that he is able to bring to bear his full power on the physical plane of the setting, while the chaos gods and Aeldari gods can only ever exert a fraction of their power over the physical realm (outside places like demon worlds, but even on the vast majority of those they are limited). while obviously still a godlike entity in his own right, a lot of the things you might attribute to him directly in current 40k lore (besides the stuff that's obviously him, like the astronomican) are either more the result of the combined gestalt of human consciousness within the warp (not on the same level as the orks, but similar) or possibly him directing the flow of that (for stuff like living saints). It is worth noting that the Emperor is *not* a warp god, he does not draw directly draw power from combined gestalt intent, and that it's pretty widely believed that if the Emperor ascended to be a full on warp entity he'd be at the top of this list being able to channel the full power of the human gestalt. C'tan: a full C'tan is definitely in full on god power territory, AND it can bring its full power to bear on the physical plane. Earlier lore would have us believe that Emps was able to beat a whole one due to the imprisoning of the void dragon on mars by him, but now we know that was likely just a large shard of it, and only a fraction of the full ctan's former power. Aeldari gods: The Aeldari gods are sorta your measuring stick for a warp god. I'd prolly be judging Gork/Mork on this level too if they, yknow, actually did anything in the lore. Able to put up a decent fight but ultimately lose against the chaos gods. The Chaos gods: due to the nature of their existence the chaos gods are almost literally timeless and are fed and empowered by the existence of nearly every being with a soul within the 40k universe. there is no being that has existed in the 40k universe that could defeat them on a playing field that they can bring their full power to bear on, such as a deep eye of terror demon world under their full control. (the tyranid hive mind is hard to judge, it's definitely above emps and definitely below the chaos gods but beyond that i couldn't say)
@@nickq8093 it's not just the 40k universe that fuels them it's infinite universes and timelines They completely transcend reality Being outerversal at bare minimum
The chaos Gods in the lore are basically completely immeasurable. None of the other beings in the warhammer cosmology even come close. They transcend basically all dimensionality, exist not only beyond time altogether but also beyond any quantifiable scale or scope. Imagine 1 universe, from the beginning to the end, each different instant within this universe leads to their own timeline, then from the first beginnings of that universe to the end of it all the different timelines which exist within that span. Each of those timelines is basically a universe of it's own, despite it all stemming from the same universe. This by itself would create a nigh infinite amount of universes. Then there exist an infinite amount of universes, each with their own nigh infinite timelines. Together these form a greater whole, like a multiverse. A single being which exists outside of all this infinity would be beyond time and space as we see it. Rather than having different versions of itself in all the infinite timelines and universes, there exist just one being on a scope beyond each individual timeline. This being would be multiversal, and it's power would easily be such that it can create and destroy universes and even infinite timelines with it's thoughts. However, that multiversal being is simply part of a larger scale, the multiverse with the infinite universes and timelines therein forms a structure of its own, and these multiversal structures there too exist an infinite amount of throughout the cosmos. The multiversal beings which exist in the dimension above these multiverses, they too exist within a scale, part of a structure/dimension, namely this would be considered a 6th dimensional being, existing within a 6th dimensional space, which is infinitely greater than the 5th dimensional multiversal space from before. Each dimension above is infinitely greater than the one preceding it. There are basically uncountably infinite of such dimensions, each one infinitely larger/higher than the previous. Beyond all that infinity upon infinity, there exist the outerversal, something which is qualitatively beyond any dimensionality whatsoever. The chaos Gods, exist on that scale. Beyond any and all dimensionality. The warp itself actually encompasses all of this dimensionality preceding it, being outerversal in itself, and still extends beyond. While the chaos Gods actually exist even beyond the warp itself, basically unquantifiable in any way and practically immeasurable. They do not depend on any power from any beings, but rather, all beings on lower dimensions who are infected by them simply become a part of their being, they are effectively assimilated within it, as are the many infinities which exist through the warp. The chaos Gods just pervade through all this space in all directions as they fight against each other perpetually, all other beings are simply caught in the crossfire between these entities, and the so called servants they have are nothing more than beings infected by an infinitesimal part of the influence from the chaos gods, driven to act based on the influence pervading their entire soul and existence. The power of the chaos gods is completely transcendental, existing everywhere at all times and beyond time, subsuming all things. The only reason not all things are yet taken over completely by them is because the 4 chaos gods vie against each other perpetually, thus not one can ever take the upper hand and assimilate all existence, as they are equivalent in power by the very nature of their being. If every there is anything which annoys them so that they will bring their full attention to it, whatever it is, would be destroyed in an instant. However, they really aren't bothered by much, and aren't concerned by small things such as the imperium of man in the 40k universe, or the orks, or aeldari or any other beings we see in the lore, as they are completely infinitesimal compared to the chaos gods, even in their most powerful manifestations. Time also is of no consequence to them, as they exist outside of any time scale, and such it doesn't matter if it takes millennia or even trillions of years, or even an infinity of eons for a universe to be subsumed in the warp, as from their perspective any quantity of time is literally nothing at all. They also are in no rush any way, since this too is inconsequential to them.
My knowledge of the lore is pretty slim, but isn't there a hypothesis that the hive mind doesn't exist as a separate entity and that it's just the combined minds of every Tyranid organism that gives the appearance of some greater power steering them? Like a highly advanced, psychic version of ant pheromones.
@@MrGuana141 I did hear of a description that does imply a single, inconceivable controller behind the Tyranids during either the Battle for Macragge or Baal, I can't remember which. But it's first person and I guess could be argued away as imagination. I also vaguely remember a short story from one of the 90s rule books that had an inquisitor study a Tyranid weapon and when he touched it he saw the hive mind before it made him turn the weapon on himself. But a bunch of the stuff from the 90s has been retconned, so 🤷♂.
If it''s a true hive mind then it isn't a separate entity. If it's a puppet mind, like every single show and book and game and whatnot are obsessed with, then it depends.
I wonder how hyper advance nations like the Forerunners from Halo and the Culture from M Banks series and Stellaris end game nations would try to handle the Space Whales and the fully formed C'Tan. I would assume the Void Dragon being a C'Tan of Technology might provide some big issues for them to overcome. Atleast the Void Dragon isn't Mekhane levels of OP. Though I suspect he might be a problem for even Precursor Star Roads to get a hand of because of how big his complete C'Tan form might be and how powerful he is as a individual.
Halo Array has a striking range of 10,000 light years. It is a weapon based on Neural Phisics. It doesn't anhilate organics, it destroys complex molecular life forms. Meaning up to an including Space Whales are getting dusted. C'Tan on the other hand are sentient energy so I am not sure if Halo will hurt them. Chaos Gods are definitly shrugging it off. It might be interesting to see a Total War between prime Forerunners and Chaos Gods :D
@@zhangeldy4097 Chaos gods however need people who's intentions and actions are based on their doctrines. Without them their power is significantly reduced. And the Forerunners would likely be more then intelligent enough to know the kind of liars they are. Plus they have all the power they ever needed. Forerunners I also hear even harnessed power from other universes to power their structures up casually. And stuff like Binary are considered very primitive to their current technology tier.
@@MrSwccguy What do you? I gave it the credit it justly deserves. Who are you to determine I didn't when I clearly I have in another comment scaling it above the Chaos gods during the War in Heaven. If anything if you are thinking the Forerunners and Culture are weak by War In Heaven standards then you don't know how op they are in their verses and the powers and scale they have. They are both stronger then the Dark Age of Technology.
It depends. Usually Demonettes are the size of humans, but their appearance often changes to whatever appears beautiful to the viewer. Eldar, who are taller and skinnier than humans, would view Demonettes as taller and skinnier. The other demons are generally around 6 to 7 feet tall. Again, their size can vary depending on how powerful the demon is or if the demon has possessed a mortal and is bound by the mortal's physical form.
once you start including warp entities its a bit strange, at that point where do gork and mork rank? i think the hive mind should have been m=number 1 as technically all tyranids are just parts of one immense entity
Probably a lack of good artistic depictions. He didn't include the greater daemon of Tzeentch, Ghargatuloth, either, and that appeared as a tower of screaming faces taller than a Hive Superior. (From Ben Counter's _Grey Knights_ novel.)
Where are you getting this size information for the c'tan shard and unbroken c'tan? I'd be willing to accept that they can alter their size to a degree but I cannot recall any lore that described or depicted them as anything more than giant humanoids in their necrodermis shells. In their natural form they are star spanning energy beings, but to interact with the physical they need those necrodermis shells which as far as I can tell are typically about 20-30 feet tall.
@@tennesseedogpack "Void Whales tend to swim across the blackness of space, sometimes also navigating the unnatural tides of the Warp." From the Lexicanum. Seems they can use both.
You forgot Gork & Mork are Bigga! Cause the orks believe it to be.
The chaos gods aren’t even worthy of fighting them.
Tzeentch and Khorne don't really exist, it's just Gork and Mork tricking Humies and Eldar to worship them.
That's not how waagh energy works
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@@MrHammy69 gorgeous isn't that sneaky. Its unorky.
Adding warp entities is a bit of a cop out because they don’t occupy space in the same way that the rest of these things do. By that logic, the Hive Mind, which spans multiple galaxies, should come out too?
Tbh the list is bullshit, most of those creatures never had a given length, komus is a stellar phenonmenon, the video is just bad and lazy clickbait
Pretty much
we do not know how much of Tyranids are there as the lore on the matter is really old and bound to be retconned
@@alterego9082 They have explored this in the Tyranid novels over recent years and the inescapable conclusion is that the Tyranids we have seen are a fraction of the whole :)
the hive mind as a whole is huge, but saying that spans multiple galaxies is a bit of a stretch, since it is just a theory that it is surrounding the Milky Way, and it's not even close to do it yet, even though it is a rather small galaxy
Actually, the largest creature in Warhammer 40K is Tyberos the Red Wake. He's a big guy.
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The prisoner of the emerald cave had plagues so potent that even most of the plague marines had succumbed to its diseases
damn how does that work
@@thehoffmeister9277 40k Writers: 🤷"I don't know but it makes him sound cool so I'm doing it"
@@KingOfMilfgaard one of the best parts about 40k is nothing is canon.. but everything is canon..
man, these new 40k channels are popping up everywhere, love it!
Void Whales are NOT warp spawn. They CAN enter the warp and are pretty resilient to its effects.
Wow, now I know they're NOT warp spawn, but CAN enter the warp. THANKS for sharing that INFORMATION with US.
In fact, the Hive Ships are much larger, they should start from 50 kilometers. Judge for yourself, these ships literally eat up the entire biosphere of the planet, with the atmosphere and oceans. All this must be placed somewhere, and the size of Gloriana, not to mention 6 kilometers, is clearly not enough.
That was brought up in some old lore where the imperial xenobiologists were struggling to explain where all the mass went, as the hive fleet couldn't have transported more than a tiny fraction of the amount taken. Their best guesses were either that the tyranids were somehow shipping it off somewhere, or that they were dumping it into the warp for some unknown reason.
@@Arson2Fire In this comparison literally loses logic, because the Fenrisian Kraken is literally a Tyranid ship, and not even an advanced Hive Ship, but most likely some of the smaller ships, and which simply adapted to live in the oceans of Fenris instead of the cosmic void, and you want to tell me that will it be larger than the Hive Ships that hold billions armies and Norn Queens? It's just devoid of logic.
I wonder how strong the Unbroken C'Tan are compared to the Chaos gods. We know they fought a unbroken and very powerful Khaine and other peak Eldar gods.
Even a Amped Slaanesh with Khorne's help couldn't completely kill a weakened version of Khaine who was fighting off Slaanesh. Just broke him.
Imagine what Khaine was like in the War of Heaven days and imagine if Gork and Mork were alive back then as well during the days of the Krorks. That must have been a crazy battlefield of shattered dimensions between the immaterial and the Warp and maybe a few others loke whatever force has infested the Ghoul stars. And Gork and Mork empowered by the Orks in the current age is already enough to make the Chaos gods worried if they ever decide to turn their full attention on them.
The Void Dragon must have been the hardest to take down in his prime.
I still think it’s a major failing of GW that Gork and Mork have no canon interactions with the other gods, even if it was just trolling them and making fun of how inferior they are.
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Yeah that is unfortunately how bad and disconnected and how undercontructed much of the lore is when it come to these beings GW have created and just refuse to build upon and adapt them.
So far Gork and Mork's biggest recent activities have been based around Ghazghskull so far.
And we seen how much they messed up the Eldar plot line.
Their narrative has been pretty poorly constructed.
I think The Outsider is the last remaining intact C’Tan. It resides in a massive Dyson Sphere that it supposedly built.
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That's the dyson sphere larger then even the interior of the Forerunner Shield world called Onyx if I recall right?
The chaos gods can be scaled to outerversal in strength if not boundless to neigh omnipotence, the eldar gods would also scale somewhat below them (including khaine as the chaos gods never really use their full strength like ever even against each other) so the ctan who in their metal bodies can fight eldar gods should also scale around those levels
But a safer scaling would be multi galatic to multiversal since the ctan can somewhat stop the warp with the creation of the necrons pylons
So many omissions, so not a definitive detailing but still a great video! It seems when gigantic Tyranid organisms get lost and isolated they evolve to be almost incomprehensibly large. There are a few examples of this in the lore. Nurgle Daemons have a habit of growing ridiculously large too.
You neglected Ghargatuloth from Ben Counter's first Grey Knights novel, a Greater Daemon of Tzeentch with many forms that fully manifests as a tower of shrieking faces taller than the spires of a Hive Superior, easily putting its height in the range of kilometers. He'd be bigger than the shard of the Void Dragon, and comparable in size to the Foulspawn (possibly larger).
8:52 That's not the representation of Tzeentch I'm use to seeing (looks more like one of his creatures).
This image is Spawn of Tzeentch concept art on Warhammer Online.
I don't want to know what creature Nurgle got that bone he is mixing the pot with at 9:27
Warhammer really is the grim dark lol love it
The God Emperor’s balls, are by far the largest thing in the universe.
By far
Dame I thought the bio titan was massive but it's pretty small
The great devourer is the biggest monster.
It's an organism with trillions of ship bodies. It’s just that we are multicellular, and he is multi-body. It has eaten many galaxies, and its tentacles wrap around the Milky Way from all directions.
He's bigger than the galaxy lol
The Hive mind is a synaptic intelligence of all bioforms
@@nutbug445 I might as well say that you are a colony of unicellular with synaptic connections. There is no tyranid collective, there is one being.
@@nutbug445 Nope, it's not. At least in the french versions of the codex, it's made really clear that the hive mind is a separate entity, that tyranids and this... godly thing? ... are working together but are not the same.
I wonder how strong are the gods of the WH 40K universe, and by that I mean all of them. C'Tan, Aeldari gods, those Old gods, chaos gods, Empreror of Mankind maybe also xD Too bad that we don't have that much information about them all.
The Chaos gods were more powerful than the aeldari gods that's for sure.
@Nutbug yes I know, but not all of them. As was mentioned by some of the people below in the comments, we can assume, that Khaine ain't a weak god. Also we know that there's a god of death, and an alive god that helps Harlequins.
from what i know of the lore, this is the order i'd put them in:
the old gods: not actual gods but a hyper-advanced civilisation, as a faction they were orders of magnitude more powerful than the existing factions in current 40k. It's fair to say as a full civilisation they would have been able wipe out peak humanity without breaking a sweat, emps included, but are at the bottom of this list on an individual level (but would still be relatively godlike to most beings in current 40k).
Gork/Mork: as far as i know it's questionable as to whether they actually.... "exist"? in the current lore of the 40k universe? they certainly don't seem to display any real power in the physical plane of the setting that can't be explained by other means.
Emperor of mankind: Emps as he has existed is relatively weak on this power scale, even pre-horus heresy, The main difference between him and most entities on this list is that he is able to bring to bear his full power on the physical plane of the setting, while the chaos gods and Aeldari gods can only ever exert a fraction of their power over the physical realm (outside places like demon worlds, but even on the vast majority of those they are limited). while obviously still a godlike entity in his own right, a lot of the things you might attribute to him directly in current 40k lore (besides the stuff that's obviously him, like the astronomican) are either more the result of the combined gestalt of human consciousness within the warp (not on the same level as the orks, but similar) or possibly him directing the flow of that (for stuff like living saints). It is worth noting that the Emperor is *not* a warp god, he does not draw directly draw power from combined gestalt intent, and that it's pretty widely believed that if the Emperor ascended to be a full on warp entity he'd be at the top of this list being able to channel the full power of the human gestalt.
C'tan: a full C'tan is definitely in full on god power territory, AND it can bring its full power to bear on the physical plane. Earlier lore would have us believe that Emps was able to beat a whole one due to the imprisoning of the void dragon on mars by him, but now we know that was likely just a large shard of it, and only a fraction of the full ctan's former power.
Aeldari gods: The Aeldari gods are sorta your measuring stick for a warp god. I'd prolly be judging Gork/Mork on this level too if they, yknow, actually did anything in the lore. Able to put up a decent fight but ultimately lose against the chaos gods.
The Chaos gods: due to the nature of their existence the chaos gods are almost literally timeless and are fed and empowered by the existence of nearly every being with a soul within the 40k universe. there is no being that has existed in the 40k universe that could defeat them on a playing field that they can bring their full power to bear on, such as a deep eye of terror demon world under their full control.
(the tyranid hive mind is hard to judge, it's definitely above emps and definitely below the chaos gods but beyond that i couldn't say)
@@nickq8093 it's not just the 40k universe that fuels them it's infinite universes and timelines
They completely transcend reality
Being outerversal at bare minimum
The chaos Gods in the lore are basically completely immeasurable. None of the other beings in the warhammer cosmology even come close. They transcend basically all dimensionality, exist not only beyond time altogether but also beyond any quantifiable scale or scope.
Imagine 1 universe, from the beginning to the end, each different instant within this universe leads to their own timeline, then from the first beginnings of that universe to the end of it all the different timelines which exist within that span. Each of those timelines is basically a universe of it's own, despite it all stemming from the same universe. This by itself would create a nigh infinite amount of universes.
Then there exist an infinite amount of universes, each with their own nigh infinite timelines. Together these form a greater whole, like a multiverse. A single being which exists outside of all this infinity would be beyond time and space as we see it. Rather than having different versions of itself in all the infinite timelines and universes, there exist just one being on a scope beyond each individual timeline. This being would be multiversal, and it's power would easily be such that it can create and destroy universes and even infinite timelines with it's thoughts.
However, that multiversal being is simply part of a larger scale, the multiverse with the infinite universes and timelines therein forms a structure of its own, and these multiversal structures there too exist an infinite amount of throughout the cosmos. The multiversal beings which exist in the dimension above these multiverses, they too exist within a scale, part of a structure/dimension, namely this would be considered a 6th dimensional being, existing within a 6th dimensional space, which is infinitely greater than the 5th dimensional multiversal space from before.
Each dimension above is infinitely greater than the one preceding it. There are basically uncountably infinite of such dimensions, each one infinitely larger/higher than the previous. Beyond all that infinity upon infinity, there exist the outerversal, something which is qualitatively beyond any dimensionality whatsoever.
The chaos Gods, exist on that scale. Beyond any and all dimensionality. The warp itself actually encompasses all of this dimensionality preceding it, being outerversal in itself, and still extends beyond.
While the chaos Gods actually exist even beyond the warp itself, basically unquantifiable in any way and practically immeasurable. They do not depend on any power from any beings, but rather, all beings on lower dimensions who are infected by them simply become a part of their being, they are effectively assimilated within it, as are the many infinities which exist through the warp. The chaos Gods just pervade through all this space in all directions as they fight against each other perpetually, all other beings are simply caught in the crossfire between these entities, and the so called servants they have are nothing more than beings infected by an infinitesimal part of the influence from the chaos gods, driven to act based on the influence pervading their entire soul and existence.
The power of the chaos gods is completely transcendental, existing everywhere at all times and beyond time, subsuming all things.
The only reason not all things are yet taken over completely by them is because the 4 chaos gods vie against each other perpetually, thus not one can ever take the upper hand and assimilate all existence, as they are equivalent in power by the very nature of their being. If every there is anything which annoys them so that they will bring their full attention to it, whatever it is, would be destroyed in an instant. However, they really aren't bothered by much, and aren't concerned by small things such as the imperium of man in the 40k universe, or the orks, or aeldari or any other beings we see in the lore, as they are completely infinitesimal compared to the chaos gods, even in their most powerful manifestations.
Time also is of no consequence to them, as they exist outside of any time scale, and such it doesn't matter if it takes millennia or even trillions of years, or even an infinity of eons for a universe to be subsumed in the warp, as from their perspective any quantity of time is literally nothing at all. They also are in no rush any way, since this too is inconsequential to them.
What about the main hive mind? It's supposed to be a gargantuan being as well
My knowledge of the lore is pretty slim, but isn't there a hypothesis that the hive mind doesn't exist as a separate entity and that it's just the combined minds of every Tyranid organism that gives the appearance of some greater power steering them? Like a highly advanced, psychic version of ant pheromones.
The hive mind has always been described as beeing the collective thoughts of the tyranids, there's no main hive mind
@@MrGuana141 I did hear of a description that does imply a single, inconceivable controller behind the Tyranids during either the Battle for Macragge or Baal, I can't remember which. But it's first person and I guess could be argued away as imagination.
I also vaguely remember a short story from one of the 90s rule books that had an inquisitor study a Tyranid weapon and when he touched it he saw the hive mind before it made him turn the weapon on himself. But a bunch of the stuff from the 90s has been retconned, so 🤷♂.
If it''s a true hive mind then it isn't a separate entity. If it's a puppet mind, like every single show and book and game and whatnot are obsessed with, then it depends.
It could be a norn queen
You forget to mention the Emperor of mankind psychic manifestation ! even present into the most obscures places in the galaxy!
"At nr.15 we have the Krorks" lol
That's how you know things will get crazy
if we are counting warp entities then shouldnt the orc gods and then the hive mind be larger?
I wonder how hyper advance nations like the Forerunners from Halo and the Culture from M Banks series and Stellaris end game nations would try to handle the Space Whales and the fully formed C'Tan.
I would assume the Void Dragon being a C'Tan of Technology might provide some big issues for them to overcome. Atleast the Void Dragon isn't Mekhane levels of OP.
Though I suspect he might be a problem for even Precursor Star Roads to get a hand of because of how big his complete C'Tan form might be and how powerful he is as a individual.
Halo Array has a striking range of 10,000 light years. It is a weapon based on Neural Phisics. It doesn't anhilate organics, it destroys complex molecular life forms. Meaning up to an including Space Whales are getting dusted. C'Tan on the other hand are sentient energy so I am not sure if Halo will hurt them. Chaos Gods are definitly shrugging it off. It might be interesting to see a Total War between prime Forerunners and Chaos Gods :D
@@zhangeldy4097
Chaos gods however need people who's intentions and actions are based on their doctrines. Without them their power is significantly reduced. And the Forerunners would likely be more then intelligent enough to know the kind of liars they are. Plus they have all the power they ever needed.
Forerunners I also hear even harnessed power from other universes to power their structures up casually. And stuff like Binary are considered very primitive to their current technology tier.
Bro you don't know how OP the Void Dragon Is
@@MrSwccguy
What do you? I gave it the credit it justly deserves. Who are you to determine I didn't when I clearly I have in another comment scaling it above the Chaos gods during the War in Heaven.
If anything if you are thinking the Forerunners and Culture are weak by War In Heaven standards then you don't know how op they are in their verses and the powers and scale they have. They are both stronger then the Dark Age of Technology.
Considering the forerunners are brain-dead they just die
I'd really like to know the size of plague bearers and dampnettes bloodletters because compared to humans I think they're actually pretty big
2-3m ?
@@louisturok2344 that actually sounds about right
It depends. Usually Demonettes are the size of humans, but their appearance often changes to whatever appears beautiful to the viewer. Eldar, who are taller and skinnier than humans, would view Demonettes as taller and skinnier. The other demons are generally around 6 to 7 feet tall. Again, their size can vary depending on how powerful the demon is or if the demon has possessed a mortal and is bound by the mortal's physical form.
Great video, i was hoping to see Oliensis on the list tho!
once you start including warp entities its a bit strange, at that point where do gork and mork rank? i think the hive mind should have been m=number 1 as technically all tyranids are just parts of one immense entity
Oliensis could be considered as a creature or monster?
Jesus Christ did a sound marine make that intro, I barely have any blood left in my ears
what about norn queens for the tyranids ?
Probably a lack of good artistic depictions. He didn't include the greater daemon of Tzeentch, Ghargatuloth, either, and that appeared as a tower of screaming faces taller than a Hive Superior. (From Ben Counter's _Grey Knights_ novel.)
@@johnduquette7023 yeah, never found any depictions of the nor' queens sadly :(
@3:48 C’tan void dragon shark? 😂😂😂
Im the fattest and biggest of them all.
Nice, I recognize your voice and instantly subbed.
You forgot the hole in my heart after we lost cadia
no shot i tought that nurgle was the same size as a great unclean one
Where are you getting this size information for the c'tan shard and unbroken c'tan? I'd be willing to accept that they can alter their size to a degree but I cannot recall any lore that described or depicted them as anything more than giant humanoids in their necrodermis shells. In their natural form they are star spanning energy beings, but to interact with the physical they need those necrodermis shells which as far as I can tell are typically about 20-30 feet tall.
Very Beautifull Video. But where can finds the Fenrisian Kraken and the Void Kraken Immagines ?
No Guardsman survivors ? Weird
*Happy gas mask sounds*
in any universe or game, either they have a god who's the biggest or someone powerful with an unlimited size alteration.
Tyranid Hive fleets hit pay day when they come across a void whale I'm guessing.
I don’t think the tyranids use the warp
@@tennesseedogpack "Void Whales tend to swim across the blackness of space, sometimes also navigating the unnatural tides of the Warp."
From the Lexicanum. Seems they can use both.
There is this massive snake like monster in Liber Xenologis that is so massively big it can easily swallow a 5km vessel
cool video
What about Oliensis the livivng planet?
isnt there a slaanesh plantet humanoid ? i thought that would have gotten in there
I think the emperor in his warp form should be number 1 alongside the chaos gods
wish you wouldn't of added that fog. can't see the previous monsters for comparison
#1: That guy at the game store.
Heirophants are smaller than i thought
1:22 what is this yellowish entity to the left?
You missed out the biggest monster of all - the ego of people who play space marines.
Hail Nurgle~
so you'r telling me that the first one, being only 12m tall, is the 15th largest entity in the 40K universe? Allow me to doubt that.
So, what are the tyranids running from?
What about the hive mind???????? Wouldnt that be the biggest.
Could be great but normal ppl don't use feet to mesure thing
Very interesting! Thanks for putting this together!
Number zero : the hive mind
I thought nº1 was going to be Oliensis.
Well Well i thought krorks were bigger than space marines, but not THAT huge
Wow :)))
2:49
KHORNE
KHORNE
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Imperator titans are 42-55m tall not 95m, in modern lore
send the Doomguy to defeat them
Is Commerce the Tyrant Star a sun eater or planet eater??
Theres no way void whales are that big, nurgle corrupted ones land 7 of them side by side on a single planet in dark imperium
what about the narval ships?
Crocs 😆
Where’s E money?
Andrew Ginus
Nah first place is big E ego
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Tzeentch one of the biggest ?
Yeah , one of the BIGGEST LOSER !
KITTEN defeat him in a CHILDREN CARD GAME
You say words weird
You forgot your mom
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lose the intro that shits cringe, it aint 2014 anymore bro
Okay Truly GROOVY 😂
@@nutbug445 good content otherwise, editing will get better naturally just keep making content
fourth
fourth?
Can u speak more smoothly
You have an extremely awkward way of speaking which makes you hard to understand.
Big E would be bigger if he ascended
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@@nutbug445 I’m subbed so I instantly knew😅😅