Hobie Mirage Drive Kick-up Fins Problem
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2020
- I had a problem with the Hobie mirage drive kick-up fins on my Mirage Drive 360. This problem could also happen with the 180 Mirage Drive with kick-up fins as well. I show you how to fix the problem in the video.
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Thanks for the tip Tommy. I haven’t had a chance to get on the water with my 360 yet so I was especially glad to see this video. I have the same issue with my fins although oddly enough it was the rear fin that was too tight. Only took about five minutes of working it and it loosened up. Thanks again.
You're welcome. I'm glad it helped. It took me a little longer to get mine right. Your gonna love the 360. The maneuverability is amazing. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the heads up.
I will keep this in mind.
I’m waiting for the restrictions to be over so I can pick up my pro angler 360 from my dealer.
Your welcome. This seems to have been the case for quite a few people. Mine got stuck a few times over the weekend. I'm going to add some grease to see if that helps. I'm trying to prevent it from wearing away too quickly. I'll make an update video after a few more trips.
I got my 360 last Saturday and I had exactly the same issue, I noticed the problem before I got into the water, fins were extremely hard to go back in place. I spent a couple minutes pushing in and out the fins, tried it on water and the front fin doesn’t touch the back one, but it does not all the way in.
Would grease help?
Seriously helpful. I was demonstrating the kick up fin feature to a friend after just having bought the compass and I damn near broke my arm 😂
That's how it was for the one fin initially. It works great now. I'm glad to help. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for the video. Just got my 2020 outback and have that problem. Just started to follow you. Great info! Watching from south Florida
I'm glad this helped. They really need to let new owners know that this could happen. Especially when you pay that much money for a kayak. My drive works great now after doing this. I appreciate the support. Thanks for watching.
I’m looking at buying PA 14-360. So this is really helpful. Good work! And thanks.
My drive works great now. A couple of people have reported a similar problem. It doesn't seem to happen to everyone. The 360 drive is pretty amazing. I have no regrets. Thanks for watching.
I almost broke my arm when showing my friend there kick up fins lol. Thanks for video, really helpful 👍
No problem. I'm glad you found it helpful. Mine was exactly like that when I got it. Thanks for watching.
Thanks Tomy. Good to know. Now I know what to do when I eventually get a kick-up fins.
It seems like this doesn't happen to everyone. Hopefully you won't have this problem when you get yours. They are really nice to have if you fish in shallow water with obstructions.
Thank you so much! Exactly my problem!
You're welcome. I'm glad this helped.
👍 for posting. U r a patient man. That is totally unacceptable for such a high end product. Hobie need to wise up! Reports of cracked hulls and now this. Have they cut back on the thickness of plastic & quickly control r what?!! With their reputation and price tag, there should be zero issues. This is all very disappointing! Stay safe
I hear ya. That's exactly how I felt in the beginning. You wouldn't expect there to by any problems when you spend that type of money on a kayak. The dealer I bought it from said they would back me to get a warranty claim if I still had problems. I tried Hobie's fix a try and it worked out. The drive works as it should now. I hope I don't have any problems with a cracked hull. I decide to not put Boonedox Landing Gear on my PA because of it's weight. Thanks for watching.
Thanks! I notice this on the weekend and I was scared to force it in.
Your welcome. I was scared until my dealer got back to me about it. It works great now that it has been broken in. I was concerned about wearing it out too much and someone mentioned using marine grease to help. Now I'm trying to find some marine grease that won't affect the plastic on the drive. I'll do an update after a few months of use. Thanks for watching.
Curious... How well do the fins do in heavy weeds/grass? I currently have a Native Titan with the Propel drive and I'm constantly having to pull the drive out of the water to clean weeds off the prop. I'm considering other kayaks because of this problem. How does your 360 do in heavy weeds?
I've gone through pads with no problem. If weeds are thick, I can bungee my pedal back to keep the fins flat to the hull. Then I can paddle through until it's not as thick. That was one of the reasons I went with Hobie. I fish very shallow areas and thick vegetation.
Thanks for the video , can we please get a update video on any other issues you’ve encountered with the drive since your last issue from a year ago?
Sorry. I'm just seeing this now. My drive is still working great. It does sometimes squeak, but then it goes away. I should take it in for maintenance or do it myself. I've had my drive for well over 3 years now.
Interesting. Hobie loaned my organization three engineering prototype 180 Kickup drives and they worked quite different from what you have here. They have plastic pieces where you've got metal (aluminum?). And they have a setscrew to adjust the force required to kick them up. They said to adjust them so that 20 pounds pull on the tip of the fin would release the mechanism. My 2020 Outback came with kickup fins and they adjust the same way as the prototypes. So for those who do not have those really fancy 360 drives, look at the front of the cup where the fin latches and see if you can see a recessed set screw and adjust that.
Oh, and having the front fin kickup but not the rear one is quite common because, well, it hits things first. You may feel a clack or two as it strikes the rear fin. The propulsion generated by pedaling is what causes the fins to swing forward and lock back into place. So just hit a few really hard pedal strokes to lock it back in quickly or if it is set to really high kickup resistance. Your front fin generates a lot of force when you pedal it hard and it probably would have locked with hard enough strokes. If you are in an Oasis, warn the other person that you are going to do it. :-)
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Such a cumbersome drive. I love Hobie because of the compactness and lightness.
The drive is pretty amazing. Early adopters are going to run into some problems, but I feel this should have been taken care of before it left the factory or they could have at least let consumers know that this will happen. When you get into a PA, there is no more compactness and lightness. It's all space and comfort. I still have my Outbacks and would love to see the 360 on an Outback if it's possible. I love Hobie's innovation, but it seems like their QA is lacking a bit. We shouldn't see these problems for the type of money we spend on a kayak.
@@TomyTekOutdoors the first time I saw the demo I was blown away. It was so nibble, seemly defying laws of physics. But that price point was on a different level. It probably only works on the PA at the moment because it is so stable. I can imagine a revo 13 just flipping over when the drive is sideways.
I don’t know much about the Hobie pedal drive but it looks like distortion or axle hole registration issue with the front plastic molding.
Why does the fin have to lock in to the front position?
If the fins need to be kept forward why aren’t some waterproofed magnets used rather than the friction between the metal and plastic pieces?
This will allow the fins to easily be locked into and bumped out of position as required.
You need the front fin to at least be locked in place. They will hit each other if the front is not in place, but the back is in place. This is the problem I was having. A magnet would be much better. I'm concerned about the plastic eventually wearing away too much and it not holding in place at all. We'll have to see how they change it on the next revision. Thanks for watching.
Were you having loud clunking noises when this was happening? My 360 makes such a horrible noise and I can't figure out the issue.
It made a knocking noise when only the front fin was stuck. I show it at 2:46 minutes into the video.
@@TomyTekOutdoors Yeah I'm not sure if mine is doing the same or it's something else.
@@Jessewrightfishing you should contact your dealer and see what they say. My dealer was pretty helpful with this process. They were just following up Hobie suggested first and it end up fixing my problem.
@@TomyTekOutdoors I've contacted Hobie and my dealer. They have told me what to do but nothing has worked. Gonna try adjusting the global adjusting. Might be too loose. Also gonna look over my fins again.
I bought a Mirage 180 kick up drive online. I couldn't believe I actually found one to buy so when I got it, the fins would not kick back. I thought I had gotten ripped off with a knock off on Ebay, but the seller had great reviews. The drive looked real and brand new, but no matter what, I could not get the fins to kick back at all. I was already writing a pissed off email and about to call PayPal to cancel my 4 bi-weekly payments when I decided to pull out my old Mirage 180 non-kickup drive and started noticing differences. I then decided, if I break a mast, I break a mast. So, I decided to knock the sh*t out of it and what do you know, it actually kicked back. I was in awe, but I didn't understand why I had to do that to get it to kick back. Now that my hand is bruised, it's starting to kick up a little better. And this is after I completely removed the plastic retention screws too. Thank you so much for explaining this issue to me.
So what do I do when theyget too loose? Mine will not stay locked in place.
I haven't had that problem. Contact your local Hobie dealer for advice. If it's still within the warranty period, you could claim it.
Informative video.. You'd think that Hobie or their dealers would alert you to the fact that they require break-in that appears to damage the unit. Long term wear looks to be an issue with the actual working of kick up feature . I guess time will tell.
I agree. I'm worried about it wearing down as well. I'll provide an update video if it does become a problem. Thanks for watching.
I may want a new drive....doesn't seem that you should have to physical season the drive system after spending that kind of money.
I totally agree. I said the same thing. My dealer even offered to do it for me, but they are 2 hours away. The time it would have taken to wait, I could fix the problem myself. I posted this somewhere and a Hobie person responded and said that they normally check this before it goes out. Mine must have been missed.
So whenever your in shallow water and you feel the fins retract you should pull up the drive and reset them yourself,correct? They dont go back into the housing themselves?
The fins go back into the housing by themselves. One of my fins was not going back in all the way. I had to do this to fix the problem.
@@TomyTekOutdoors Great info Tommy, just took my brand new drive back to the dealer,had it out once and didn’t feel right. The fins didn’t want to seat back into the housing,dealer looked at it and gave me a new one! Thanks again.
@@kenestra123 Did your new fins work better? You probably could have fixed the problem if you did what I showed you in the video. You shouldn't have to for what you spend on them. Mine have been working great the past 3 years, so I'm happy with it.
My next concern would be after time that would wear out and they would never lock in again
I have the same concern. Someone recommended applying marine grease to help. I'll likely do this once I find some grease that will not harm the plastic. These are some of the things I'll have to go through being an early adopter. I just hope there are no major problems. Time will tell.
Doesn't look like there is on the 360 drive. On my PA 14 with reverse drive there is plastic allen screw that adjusts to fit in the concave area of the fin. I just fixed mine but came across this video looking for a solution
Can I use on my 2010 model outback
This is the 360 drive and will only fit in Hobie Pro Angler 360 models. I'm not sure if the 180 kick-up fins will fit in a 2010 Outback. You can call a local dealer and ask if it does. You can also ask if you can bring your kayak there to see if it will fit.
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I have a suggestion. Use fine sand paper to clean up the rough edge of the metal casting that come in contact with the plastic housing until the fin goes in and out without much force. I would prefer to remove material from the metal casting in lieu of the the plastic housing. The casting manufacturer should have checked and clean up the rough edge of the casting to ensure it meets the drawing dimension.
Sounds like a design problem and hobie needs cycle these in the factory before shipping them out. They could use a machine to do this task.
try marine grease on the stick area
Thanks. That's what I'm going to try to help prevent it from wearing away too much. i just want to make sure whatever I use doesn't affect the plastic of the drive. It still got stuck a few times on my trip this past weekend. I'll make an update video after a couple of trips.
So did you call Hobie to see if there's a fix?
You can see what I did to fix it starting at 4:13. It works just fine now.
@@TomyTekOutdoors I saw that but missed your comment saying that it was the official Hobie solution. Lame response from Hobie if you asked me. Basically, they had a manufacturing tolerance issue, and the official fix is to rub away some of the material so the fit's looser. I wonder if the fins will get looser and looser over time to the point when it won't lock into the down position anymore.
I'm concerned with that as well. I'm planning to apply marine grease to it to help prevent it from wearing way. I'll do an update video after a couple of more trips.
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Mine is too loose, won’t click back in
Thank you for sharing your experience. I thought this would eventually happen to someone. Are you still able to use the drive? I would contact your dealer and file a warranty claim. Please let us know how you are able to fix this. This is bound to happen to mine at some point.
@@TomyTekOutdoors for now some duct tape did the trick, I don’t think mine is the result of normal wear/tear. Cause this is no signs of wear inside the plastic housing, nor there’s any on the metal thing that goes in the housing. I bought it used and got a pretty hefty discount due to this issue so I’m not mad lol. But maybe I’ll visit my local dealer later and find out a permanent solution, will let you know if I do.
@@stevey3491 you can't pass up a good deal. Especially on a 360. I love mine. I did a little research and found this video from Hobie. It shows how to replace the kick up assembly. It looks pretty easy to do. Duct tap fixes everything 😁 I'd just do that until it gets really annoying. Just keep some handy in the kayak and you're set. Here's a link to the video ruclips.net/video/nlpRI71gXCk/видео.html&t.
@@TomyTekOutdoors so I paid them a visit today they just replaced the fin assembly with new supporting rod and the metal part for free and that fixed it
@@stevey3491 that's awesome. You have a great dealer.
What a rubbish build quality - the customer having to go through this? What has hobie become...
Paying a lot for not a lot. Hobie should refund the money for such a garbage design
I was a bit peeved with this at first. It should work perfectly for the money I spend on it. I calmed down after I fixed the problem. The drive works great now. This really should have been caught in their quality control. Some people had no problem at all. If or when I get another Hobie, I'll make sure to test quite a few things before I leave the dealer. Thanks for watching.