That was a fun day on the water mAnGs!! Very adventurous... Hey Mark and Nick it was very nice meeting you guys, hopefully we can do this again in MUCH better conditions... like FLAT :)
beyondthebreaker don’t be a puss. Anyone can do this in flat calm conditions. Show us some extreme conditions and show us what you and the kayak is made of. Make sure you do this taking safety precautions tho :)
Sit on top kayaks are supposed to be water tight! no excuses!. Don't go out until you solve the leaking issues. These SOT kayaks were developed from river and ocean kayak designs but are generally much wider, thus the illusion of stability. When the going gets tough get your paddle out, it is your out-rigger. better yet take a river kayaking class and learn to use the paddle before you go way out.
I don't understand why everybody is so readily accepting that this Hobie kayak allowed water that was simply splashing over the stern and bow into the hull. Apart from this it seemed absolutely fine. The seals on the hatches should not allow water into the hull that has simply splashed over the Kayak. That is not acceptable at all, it's a design fault. I'm not expecting the kayak to be waterproof if held under water, but I would expect those hatch doors to keep splashed water out. Too much to ask? I don't think so. It is very disappointing and concerning.
The exact same thing happened to me and to buddies back in August. The breakers weren’t that bad but once we got off shore it got worse. The chop was completely undeveloped and unorganized. It would go from 1 foot chop to 6 foot swell at any moment. I was hoping that once we got into deeper water that it would improve but even out by the rigs it was terrible. At about 1 mile offshore I said to hell with it it’s not worth Getting flipped and losing gear. It was hell and I was fighting for my life. I’ll never do it again! Your video may keep somebody else I’m doing something stupid like we did. We all got out of there safely and alive but we learned a valuable lesson. My whole crew was experienced kayak fisherman and we got tricked that day.
Being brand new to kayaking, ( haven’t even purchased one yet ), this was an excellent video. Showed me the dangers of going off shore in rough windy conditions. I watch these videos to educate myself. The radio and bilge pump is not something I would have thought of. Thank you for making this.
Late to the party, but yes if you're going into big water a radio (Marine/VHF) is a must. Wear a life vest, bring a bilge pump. Familiarize yourself with re-entering your boat in case it gets rolled or you have to bail. Makes sure your hatches are properly sealed. Monitor the weather constantly, if you catch a hint of it going from mild to wild GTFO. Be familiar with tides (coming in/high tide? Going out/low tide?) and current patterns. The ocean doesn't care about you. You learn how it works and show it respect or it *will* eat you. Be safe out there.
Hi ive been thinking about purchasing my very first kayak with no prior experience. What are some tips you can give to people such as myself to get started with a hobby like this?
@@Joselcastr0 Join a kayak group. You can fish with other people and learn a ton. I'm about to purchase PA14 360 with all the bells and whistles. I'm going to install Lowrance Live9(with GPS), and an electric bilge pump. For some other security features, I'm carrying a flare, VHF radio, and an emergency entry rope (just in case I flip). I'm also installing a portable solar panel to recharge my battery when I'm fishing. So far, I'm looking at 8.5k.
If you are getting into Kayak Fishing buy a Hobie Pro Angler, this pussy was out in mild to gentle conditions over loaded with fishing equipment in the wrong kayak. I've been in 150 to 20 swells in an Outback, without taking on an spoonful of water.
I worked on a supply boat in the Gulf of Mexico for 10 years , on jack up boats for another 10 years . Even on a flat calm hot dead day a small pop up summer thunder storm can ruin your day on a kayak , because you don’t have enough speed to outrun them and there is no shelter near by. Be sure you have a nice size insurance policy so your wife can support her new husband ! ! !
In Ireland we call those conditions calm! If you or your vessel can't handle the conditions you need to go back to shore NOT continue on 8 miles out to sea!
The camera makes the swells seem smaller than they actually are. From my kayak/camera experience they are roughly twice the size they appear. I would never take a kayak offshore without an outrigger. Never.
Those weren't bad conditions for Texas. Yes the camera doesn't do the size of the waves justice but I can tell by the number of waves coming over his kayak when he was at the rigs it wasn't bad. Much closer to normal than bad. Mark was understandably frustrated with his new kayak. Turns out this was the video that prompted Hobie to start adding hatch seal gaskets to all 2019 Outbacks and began issuing then to dealers for free to those like Mark who had already bought a 2019 Outback.
Great video. 8 miles is about 6 further than I'm willing to go in my 2023 outback lol. I can happily say that they've made some improvements to the bow hatch in the last couple years that greatly improved it's water integrity.
I have had my Hobie Outback for many years now and it has never taken in water no matter the amount of swell crashing over. Checking seals and making sure everything is strapped down correctly is really important.
I have the 2021 compass. It leaked water like crazy around the hatch brand new. I had to remove it, silicone install it and replace the hatch seal with one from the hardware store. It’s water tight now. Thought Hobie would have done a better job.
Same here,...I don't have any issue with going out thru 2-3 foot breaking waves. And ocean swells are actually cool. It's the windy chop that makes things uncomfortable, but if you need to bilge pump your kayak, there is something wrong with your seals. Good seals, dry-suit, waterproof floatable VHF transceiver, and bingo, ocean kayak fishing is a blast.
Buy the right tool for the job and learn how to use it, in all applications. Also, I would NOT dangle a pair of SS scissors near my face or eyes while kayaking. He's lucky in the "HUGE" swells and chop he encountered he did not poke an eye out.
Not to be a d**k, but the problems experienced were due to 2 things: the Outback and offshore inexperience of the owner. Don't misunderstand me, the Outback is a good kayak. It's simply not made for those conditions. If you have to wait for lake like conditions to go offshore, you are going to be doing a lot of waiting. There are kayaks made specifically for fishing that requires surf entry/exit (Viking, Ocean Kayak, etc). That being said, no kayak is perfect and there are plenty of folks that Hobie through the surf and waves on the regular. That's where experience ties in. Through experience, you learn the weaknesses of your vessel (and yourself!) and improve upon them. Nothing wrong with being inexperienced, but offshore is no place for lack of safety. Kudos to you brother for not going alone and having a radio, pfd, etc. Always have a bilge pump/sponge. I would also suggest that people new to offshore spend at least a day or two just playing with their kayak (stripped of all extra gear) in the surf. Not only will this help with handling skills, but more importantly will reveal your vessels weakness such as leaks. Then it's time to Macgyver that sh*t. You can usually get online and find others that have already experienced and solved the same problems. Again, not trying to be an ass here. I've gone through days just like this and felt just like you did. I'm sure I will again. But don't give up!
AFter watching this it brought back my memmories of my OB filling up with water also (front hatch not secure) from getting hit by waves constantly. Eventually i rolled it and lost a heap of quality gear. almost lost the OB as well. Mate towed me back and then the yak. This vid gave me flashbacks. Glad you made it back.
If you want to go sea kayaking I suggest you get an actual sea kayak (sometimes referred to as a touring kayak). What, I believe his name is Mark, was using is good for fishing due to the freedom of movement (and they hard to roll or sink too!), but ultimately not meant for the rough conditions (and to be honest the conditions were *that* bad, I believe the erratic waves combined with some design choices proved a bigger problem) of open sea. Just look for Sea Kayak Waves or something and you'll find sea kayakers having fun going in and surfing on big waves. Or trekking long distances through a sea or ocean. I once saw a sea kayaker deliberately go into a wave to have the tip of the bow or stern go underwater and bury itself into the sea floor causing them to flip along the long side or be sort of 'ejected' backwards (though I do believe that this is only for the extremely tough and expensive kevlar composite kayaks).
@@maxwaters1461 I do not know anything about kayaking, but I do know this, I have seen way worse conditions with way better results on videos. Those conditions did not look beyond beginner conditions
Excellent video and thank you. No apologies necessary. You well demonstrated the limitations of the craft in swell conditions offshore. And thanks for not telling us what you ate for breakfast and for getting straight to the point. How I wish more RUclips videos followed your format. Good job.
@@MDLRFishing Pussy. Next time go out in those gentle swells in a proper fishing kayak, or since you don't fish leave all the that fishing gear on the beach. The Outback is a very stable recreational kayak, it is NOT meant to loaded down with fishing gear
That is the reason I purchased two the left over 2018 Hobie Outback for $2049(DUNE) and 2199(CAMO) because of a youtuber Aliex that took his 2019 Outback and it flipped going through the surf 3 times. At that point I realized that the new design was not for offshore applications like the 2018 models. Thank God you are safe but if you had gone alone and not with a team as you did, you may not have been as blessed as you are today and may not have lived through it. The bottom line is that we can all learn from your experience. Thank you and God bless you. Stay inshore with the 2019 Hobie Outback.
@@SteegeFish it flipped going straight close to the shore too, that tiny wave that got me when I was across trying to get in front of the camera would not have flip other yaks. Anyways we gonna do the surf test again...gonna be epic with my friends who have more offshore exp
I like these type of videos that show the REAL adventures and what you go through on a "bad trip out" as apposed to selected clips of when you catch fish ! Great educational video when others would just not have posted it !!
I was honestly surprised by the Hobie's performance. I thought it was a more seaworthy boat. I'm a sea kayaker - paddling mine since 1984. That much water in the bilge as a result of some really small surf on launching is a bad sign. Once you got through the break zone, the swells in general were quite modest, not breaking over your deck much, so it's surprising that you kept taking on water. Good that you have a VHF radio - that shows forethought and good planning. Eight miles offshore is a long way and even with a peddle drive, about two hours from land - not a good thing if weather rolls in - like it has a tendency to do in the gulf. Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience.
I don't understand why everybody is so readily accepting that this Hobie kayak allowed water that was simply splashing over the stern and bow into the hull. Apart from this it seemed absolutely fine. The seals on the hatches should not allow water into the hull that has simply splashed over the Kayak. That is not acceptable at all, it's a design fault. I'm not expecting the kayak to be waterproof if held under water, but I would expect those hatch doors to keep splashed water out. Too much to ask? I don't think so. It is very disappointing and concerning.
Dude you stole my line! Was going to say... no business being out there, in a kayak, especially with no bilge pump! Glad you were ok 🌊 ( not even a Whitecap.. imagine if it breezed up )
I have the same 2019 same color. I noticed some water in my Hull after a very choppy big wave day on Lake Wallenpaupack. The waves were ridiculously high and non stop. I ended up taking a break by tucking in next to a dock for a while. Your videos have definitely educated me. Thanks and keep the truth coming. That’s what I subscribe to you. The enthusiasm and the straight forward real talk. I carry a bilge also.
Mark you have a lot of up and down comments on this video. I agree that those conditions were too rough for most people in any kayak. I use a Revo 16 offshore. I’ve been going offshore for about 7 years now (only 1 year in my hobie). I never fish in shore if the conditions permit offshore. I’ve taken lots of water over the bow without getting water inside but I have a well sealed kayak. I think the 2019 bow design is better than the 2018. It’s good to have something that cuts the waves better. That’s part of why I use a Revo instead of an outback. You just have to have a sealed boat. You will always get some water over the bow offshore. Fix the seal problem and don’t give up on it. Always go with someone. Always have all your safety gear. Always pick your weather and sea conditions carefully. Never compromise on safety. If you ever need someone to go with you are welcome to go with me and my buddies anytime. I think we are finished for this year but we will be out again next spring. You are welcome to PM me if you want to take me up on the offer. No insult if you don’t. Good luck out there. You do a great job on your channel. Keep it up.
So I been a whitewater kayaker my whole life (over 30 years of average class five action) and I been sea kayaking for 15 yrs...I wonder how many Fishermen who fish from kayaks take kayaking seriously enough to cross over and cultivate real skills. I think kayak fishing is an awesome offshoot of kayaking in general- an obvious connection to make. I would simply recommend that anyone seriously interested in off shore fishing (or swiftwater river fishing) cross over and learn about the greater knowledge base and skill sets of kayaking that has matured a great deal since the 1980's. Increase your skill as kayakers without all the fishing gear 'n shit, then come back to the fishing rig and apply those skills like a ninja. 'cuz That's What Kayaking is: Ninja Kung Fu shit. certainly it is once you are that exposed and off shore. I thought this video was rad because it's potentially very helpful to others on so many levels. Way to go dude.
Always have your own bilge pump offshore and be safe out there brother! Also take baby steps, if that is your first time surf launching then don’t go 8 miles out. Glad you made it safe and we’re buddy boating!
The boat might not take on so much water if you didn't have about 200lbs of scissors in it. How many pairs of scissors do you have there and what do you need them all for?
Shit i just got a kayak from walmart just so far have taken it on the irl lagoon and lakes mostly and no water inside that i know of lol its a brand new lifetime tamarac angler
Smart move to come back in, you aren’t the first to experience this with the new design. I have a Hobie Revo11 and fish the bays to a limit and as with you I love the Hobie , but only go where and when my kayak will be safe for me. This is not just with the Hobie but with any kayak as conditions can change quickly. We’ve seen at least two Hobie owners be rescued by the Coast Guard this year in Jersey that I know of and both had the proper safety gear, but made some bad judgment calls. So as you say tight lines and be safe.
revo 11 front trap isn't waterproof . Especially when we're turning up the kayak , dunno how much exactly but an average of 2-3 liter per capsize . That's the only way water can get inside , i always have my handpump . Maybe glue some foam on the top trap for more adjusting pressure between the seal and bonnet , easiest issue i guess , dunno why Hobie didn't fix it . Even worst for the coolbag LOL . France , over 6 miles is forbidden for kayak . And as you say conditions turn quick with our shity weather .
I have to say having watched a lot of American kayak fishing videos that they go for very large, heavy kayaks with deck chairs for seats. Then they load them up with all kinds of boxes and bags and gear. Such a craft would be heaven fishing calm inshore ponds but are not suitable for the sea where conditions can change in a heart beat and where a nimble buoyant and responsive craft is needed. If I was a kayak manufacturer and I built a kayak that took on water every time a wave slopped over the side of the kayak I would hang my head in shame. Well done to MDLR Fishing for showing real life problems that all of us can learn from.
Hobie front hatch is deadly.The most dominant company in kayaks can't make a waterproof front hatch? Everyone and Anyone can get caught in weather even on calm days, then what, blame the weather? The weatherman? Or blame the dead kayaker of course! Blame his immersion gear and vhf of course! Height? Stability? Secondary stability nonsense? How about just make the effing hatch right???
Sold my hobie buy a jackson cossa fd far far superior than the outback even the 2019 NO water inside super stable and the drive is just genius only flaw is the stupid steering stick is the only thing the need to change to a twist handle like the natives or hobies to everyone out there Before you buy a hobie try a jackson cossa fd and you'll see !!
The question is this: How far away from shore are you comfortable with because, like flying, there are variables that you may need to contend. Therefore, be safe ALWAYS, because a fish is not worth the distress of not knowing if you will survive the predicament you got yourself into.
Offshore kayak fishing is BIG here in Hawaii for pelagics and LOTS of 2019 Hobie kayaks have been going up for sale after a few months for this reason. The older Outbacks dont have this issue in swell or even white caps but somehow Hobie failed to design it at least as good as the previous outback.
Jon, Which Kayak do you recommend? I am still researching for a new kayak next year. I would like to have my first PDL but is not easy to find a good comparison offshore video.
@@noctilucas I dont have a pedal kayak. The kayak I have is a Ocean Kayak Trident 15'. Its the 2nd to the last model with the huge center hatch for storing bigger pelagics. The newer ones have a track mounting system and less maximum weight capacity.
@@jdotndot Thank you. I am in a Big Game II 2015. I feel really safe in that Kayak, so if I move forward with a PDL I need to be confident to feel as safe as I am now.
@@noctilucas typically the longer and more narrow the kayak the faster you are and can cut through the water easier in bigger swell. I almost got the the big game cuz I'm a big dude at 6'2" and 285lbs. The trident 15 holds 575lbs max capacity and I can fly through current and wind here.
Diehard kayak guy here. I made the mistake of taking a kayak that was not made for the ocean out to far several years ago. Very scary. I never did it again. Mine was not made for water as rough as it got either. Needless to say my kayak was great. However it was not made for the conditions I got in. A great learning experience for me and I’ve never done it again. What was more concerning for me that day was the fact that I also had a shark curiously following me. Tied it in with the rough waves and I was scared, no doubt about it. You said it best ...It’s a good kayak but it’s not made for this kind of waves. I’m glad to hear you say that. I agree
I just went out on Sunday and the conditions were rough, choppy, windy and swells. I did not get any water in the hull. Very weird, u might want to check and see if u have any ways the water is coming in
Exactly, he has got to stop blaming the kayak for his lack of experience or knowledge about kayaks or fishing. Why the moron stopped moving forward each time a wave hit him going through the surf, small wonder he took on water.
Video showed us what we all need to know. For the commenters that are sure they can move through this wave action with no trouble, I will be watching for your video. MDLR is all cattle-no hat and I always appreciate that...
i have two 2014 Outbacks - the older hull is absolutely awesome in rough and offshore conditions...IMO better than the newer hull version. Semper Fi brotha
Great video. Congratulations. Just when the Outback 2019 was launched, its wide, wide-floating stern, and small freeboard, I realized that there was nothing to do with the versatile Hobie Outback until 2018. It's a kayak for rivers and calm waters. Ótimo vídeo. Parabéns. Apenas quando o Outback 2019 foi lançado, a sua popa larga, de popa flutuante e pequena, eu percebi que não havia nada a ver com o versátil Hobie Outback até 2018. É um caiaque para rios e águas calmas.
I'm glad you spent some time showing and explaining the situation. That's a big help for us back here waiting and working to get a kayak. Much appreciated. This has as much value as at fishing video, maybe more. I think this was a great video, glad you posted it up. I'm probably getting a 2019 outback with 360 Mirage drive so this is good to know.
Marcos this was a great video for many reasons, i think more than anything the conditions were just too rough, my Viking Reload that i took out beyond Surfside Jetties i ran into some of these waves as well, a few 4 footers are little nerve racking, i can say the Viking was able to work through them but still knowing the limits of conditions and having buddies go along are a great lesson as well, no apologies needed here bro you did us all a great service.
Yep, you got some good swells there and some nice chop too. lol Don't feel bad Mark... I just took my new 120 AutoPilot out for the second SKUNK..lol Had one last Friday and again this Friday... To be honest I'm just getting used to using the remote, and the motor and also I gotta say that it takes some effort to not get lost in the Mangroves. Thank god I had a tracking application on my phone. Hey Mark... I've made some calls to Mariner Sales for some customer service help and they have been absolutely top notch. Thanks for recommending them for the FPV Battery. Very Happy
Watching this video could literally save the life of someone who is considering taking an Outback 2019 offshore. If you were on your own without a bilge pump who knows what would have happened. I think it is wrong to blame the conditions and not the kayak. The Outback has two design flaws - 1. Takes water over the bow easily and 2. Front hatch is not waterproof. The old outback or a viking profish would have been OK in those conditions.
Very informative video. Elephant in the room is water leaks. Need to fix. Boats sink and or become unstable with water in the hull. Second point; bilge pump was one of the first purchases for my 2018 Outback. It will be relocated to within reach when venturing offshore. Lastly, the 2019 OB is not as versatile but still a great kayak imho and meant for calmer conditions.
So true and the pro-angler hatches seem to be even worse. The original idea of a sit on top kayak was to have a sealed hull which will not fill with water and scuppers to drain water from the deck thus making them able to cope with surf and offshore conditions. Hatches should be sufficiently waterproof to allow for water splashing onto the deck and also allow time for revovery in case of capsize.
I would probably agree. I ride an older Outback, and I've taken it out in worse conditions than that. It took in a little water (understandable), but not enough where I constantly had to bilge. But hey, at least my hands were free to fish and/or bilge :)
Mark, first off, glad you made it safely back to shore. I know I was one of the people asking about a potential offshore video in the last Live Q&A video and man oh man you delivered, sorry that it didn't go as you planned but it is very informative. I think it's fair to say that any kayak with a low profile such as the new Hobie outback would allow water to wash over the bow as it did in those rough conditions. Through the past year of researching Hobie's, it seems that there has always been a problem with the bow hatch design allowing water to seep in. Not sure why they can't invent a double or triple flange gasket so solve that leaking issue or a creat a doubleheader hinge for the hatch like on the Bonafide's ss127, who knows. lol, It's a shame that the lower profile does make the Outback an inshore kayak for the most part. I'm still up in the air about purchasing a 2018 or 2019 Outback. Great video, very informative, thanks for the honest review, keep doing what you're doing, maybe one day I'll have you in one of my videos if I ever start. Take care!
I would not rely on this guy for kayak knowledge, he has demonstrated he has very little. I own three Outbacks, 1 2012, 2017 and a 2021 model, NON of them take on water, unless I stop in a wave and it breaks on me and the kayak.
Good information, and good on you for sharing it. I have one question: Do you know how so much water got into your hull? Was it waves breaking over a leaky front hatch? Seems to me that should not ever happen. I'm a fan of yaks with an open tank well instead of a front hatch. Less potential for trouble.
I’m glad you’re safe. You’ve done your fellow fishos a great service with this video. Go buy yourself a Viking - the Kiwi’s fish in soup a lot and make the best offshores.
Great video and experience BUT everything about it screams unsafe and a avoidable tragedy to happen. Keep it safe and fun, not worth the risk. I love fishing and kayaking where I know that I can handle any emergency. Radio, life vest and all is never a guarantee that you’ll make it back but glad that you did.
@@aussiepedrosmith78 (or it sinks because the user was beyond his or her limits, but...) no disrespect meant for the dude who engaged in this adventure and caught it on video to share with us. sounds to me like he's coherent about it all- no harm no foul and part of the reason we do this shit is to learn new things/gain new experience/skill. all good in the hood. staying on shore is lame. Knowing where that line is is tough but you have to venture out to find out sometimes and it seems like homeboy mitigated his risks well enough.
jP Waterman xactly! ... Knowing one’s limitations, is taking a risk assessment, and proving, or disproving it, is how we manage those risks, ... you might have an idea, of how safe, or not, as to how far you can go, ... but you will never know until you try, ... there are quite manageable risks that on some days (ie: windy, cloudy, rain, or severe temperatures can be causes of concern, healthwise, ... and if you are not prepared to manage those concerns, then it is no one’s fault but your own, ... and then, by all means, ... keep your silly butt on shore, ...lmbo!
Replace that front hatch seal and try again. That was a known and warrantied issue. Mine did the same the first time I went offshore, but no issues since I replaced the seal, even in more questionable conditions than that first trip. Very capable boat.
You need to make your boat sea worthy correct any bad seals because even a calm day on launch could end in rough waters as storms approach fast and unexpected at times.That boat should have been fine for those conditions. That also being the upper limits for what you should expect it to endure..
I don't understand why everybody is so readily accepting that this Hobie kayak allowed water that was simply splashing over the stern and bow into the hull. Apart from this it seemed absolutely fine. The seals on the hatches should not allow water into the hull that has simply splashed over the Kayak. That is not acceptable at all, it's a design fault. I'm not expecting the kayak to be waterproof if held under water, but I would expect those hatch doors to keep splashed water out. Too much to ask? I don't think so. It is very disappointing and concerning.
Thanks for the sobering video! I don't expect to ever go 8 miles offshore (or even 2 miles, for that matter) but I have had to face similar wave action in locations like the quarter mile wide Louisiana MRGO (Mississippi River Gulf Outlet) when I had to return 2 miles down this channel with 20 to 30 mph winds blowing straight down the channel. Worse case for inshore fishing I find is a strong wind bucking a strong tidal current - produces rollers down a deep channel! I fish from a Native Slayer Propel 13. I've had used Hobies before picking up the 2016 SP13, and there are times when I wish I had the hatch access and potential storage of my previous 2012 Outback. However, the SP13 has limited hull access via 2 very securely sealed points, and even after an 8 hour trip crashing through 2 foot waves, the most water I've found in my hull is literally a couple of ounces at best! I figure that minor some seepage occurs through the steering cables. My propel drive can't handle the inshore grass like Hobie's mirage drive, but there is something calming about a sealed hull that's built like a tank!
Wow, disappointing. I was hoping to purchase the 2019 for offshore fishing. Hopefully the Hobie design team is watching and improves the weakness in the design and improves the offshore capabilities of the 2019 Outback.
A leaky front hatch is a case by case deal. They unfortunately rushed production on the first wave if outbacks to get them to dealers on time. I personally know a few guys that have put their 2019's through hell and only got maybe a quart inside. The hatch seal kit they've come out with will fix it. Free from Hobie, contact your dealer.
Yep, can't say I blame you mate. Buy an AI ....safe as houses. Love mine. Done a bit of extra sealing to the forward hatch for waterproofing, but that's it.
My wife and I both had 2016 Pro Angler 14s. We took them out on the lake in sketchy conditions just to try it out. We could duck back around a road embankment if it got too rough. We were in super rough water with a lot of wind and waves stacked close together. We maybe took on a cup or two of water. They floated high and rode over the waves rather than plough through them. I'm over 250 pounds and we had ice in the front hatch with full fishing gear. We felt safe. We just got tired of fighting the wind and waves after a while. We did this on several occasions.
Mark you may already know this but Hobie has stated there is now a free front hatch seal kit available for all 2019 Outback's that will drastically reduce the amount of water getting into the hull. Just contact your dealer and they'll set you up.
JUST PLAIN EXCELLENT VIDEO, Mark! First, in full support of going off shore or in conditions that one knows how to handle and mileage may differ for everyone as to a certain extent we’re all addicted to the adrenaline/adventure of kayak angling. Heck, Dpham that teamed up with you had done some awesome early vids himself in sketchy conditions - he understands safety. Second and most important, this honest video goes beyond fishing. It talks of safety and the equipment (H/O 2019 and potential limits). All of us in TX thanks you and keep safe. Tight lines. (H/O 2016 owner)
I know this video is a few years old, but this is the first time I've seen it. I have a 12 foot Hobie Pro Angler 360. I really, really like it a lot. However, I wouldn't dare take it out on water like that. I'm very happy with my Hobie kayak. The 360 drive is especially very nice. However, there are 2 things I'm not real happy about. One, the center of gravity is very high. Even if the seat is on the low setting, the center of gravity is high. Obviously, if the seat is on the high setting, the center of gravity is even higher. And, for some reason, the high setting for the seat seems to be the most comfortable and the best to align your legs properly, and comfortably, with the pedal drive. The high seat setting also makes it easier to enter and exit the kayak. I had to get used to this high center of gravity. This kayak is fast. The kayak can do 5 mph on calm water. Add to that speed the ability to turn really sharply, and, if you are not prepared to lean when you turn, the combination of speed, sharp turn ability, and high center of gravity can cause you to be dumped out of the kayak, or even roll it. Second, the hatch and storage areas are not water tight. There are rubber seals on these openings. However, they do not work very well. In rough water, or even, I believe, in a fairly heavy rain, the hull of this kayak will definitely get water inside it. I always had Jackson kayaks before. With the Jackson kayaks, I never had water inside the hull of the sit ons. I sure can't say the same for this very expensive Hobie kayak.
Appreciate the video and all the dialogue. I bought a 2018 Outback. I think it made me wary to go out on Monterey Bay. You’re saying that hull is better than the 2019? I still feel my 2018 rides low, feels unsafe as water splashes over the front pretty easily. Maybe it’s ok? I haven’t had any leaks in the front hatch-just not as comfortable further from shore as I am with the 15 ‘ Ocean, of course. But maybe it’s safer than I think it is?
I agree 100% the leaky front hatch cover should be addressed by Hobie direct, however, a simple weatherstrip/improved front hatch gasket eliminates the water gushing in. On my 2017 Outback I constantly took on a bunch of water through the warping 8” round hatches. Reseated the rear hatch gasket and lubed appropriately and installed a rectangular hatch instead. Only minor dampness in the yak after these changes. Personally I love Hobie left out the annoying black round hatches that warp so easily if you’re in the sun all day. If I ever decide to need an access in the rear of the yak, I’m installing a rectangular hatch to avoid the leakage issues. The 2019 Outback handles is much faster and more agile than the previous Outback and PA14. Looking forward to the new Outback 👍😁
So you feed pool noodles into the hull on each side? Never thought of that, but I mainly river fish in 2 ft of water, but if I were going out on the ocean or even rough inlets that sounds awesome.
Current gen Outbacks handle rough ocean fine. The ocean in this video is what we consider a nice ocean out here in Oregon. You just need a little less gear and a little more practice.
In South Australia, we call those conditions a millpond ! My ocean kayak (Rockpool GT) and my Hobie Pro Angler are both fitted with Rule 500 bilge pumps, activated by air pressure switches. Those hand pumps are pretty much useless in any kind of seaway. A) you don't want to be opening hatches to use the pump and B) you need both hands free to operate rudder/paddle for directional stability. Fortunately you weren't out there alone and also fortunately you have the humility to admit your mistakes and learn from them. Kudos.
@@clivecamangon7998 Been there many times. Got a mate who likes to put his goggles on there and roll his kayak over to hang upside down to look at any sharks that turn up. I had a near death experience a bit further along the coast at Middleton Beach when I got rolled lots of times in some huge surf there. If you know Middleton you'll know the breakers seem to go on forever and the constant foam makes swimming/floating/breathing very hard. 😩
I have a 2019 outback and have already been in conditions ALOT worse than that. Not a drop of water was in the hull. Did you have the plug screwed all the way in? Was the bow hatch latched down? Was the storage bin latched down? You need to check all those things. One or more of them is probably the problem or you have a hole in your brand new yak. As for the water coming over the bow- that is normal. In relationship to the kayaks gunnel height to the wave height- I would compare that to a 16' boat in 10' seas. You will take water over the bow- not a big deal. It's called kayaking and you will get wet in conditions like that.
That was a fun day on the water mAnGs!! Very adventurous... Hey Mark and Nick it was very nice meeting you guys, hopefully we can do this again in MUCH better conditions... like FLAT :)
Most definitely brother!
Yall were Rodeoing Mang!
Great breakdown! Thank you. Would the Hobie 13' 8" Professional Angler have been more robust in those ocean conditions?
beyondthebreaker don’t be a puss. Anyone can do this in flat calm conditions. Show us some extreme conditions and show us what you and the kayak is made of. Make sure you do this taking safety precautions tho :)
Sit on top kayaks are supposed to be water tight! no excuses!. Don't go out until you solve the leaking issues. These SOT kayaks were developed from river and ocean kayak designs but are generally much wider, thus the illusion of stability. When the going gets tough get your paddle out, it is your out-rigger. better yet take a river kayaking class and learn to use the paddle before you go way out.
I don't understand why everybody is so readily accepting that this Hobie kayak allowed water that was simply splashing over the stern and bow into the hull. Apart from this it seemed absolutely fine. The seals on the hatches should not allow water into the hull that has simply splashed over the Kayak. That is not acceptable at all, it's a design fault. I'm not expecting the kayak to be waterproof if held under water, but I would expect those hatch doors to keep splashed water out. Too much to ask? I don't think so. It is very disappointing and concerning.
Sometimes it's better to be on shore wishing you were out on the water, than to be on the water wishing you were back on shore!
maverickdallas100 ... (Sometimes?)
Very wise!!!!
It better to have insurance and not need it, or not to have it and need it>
Loooool
I think that's "always" better lol
The exact same thing happened to me and to buddies back in August. The breakers weren’t that bad but once we got off shore it got worse. The chop was completely undeveloped and unorganized. It would go from 1 foot chop to 6 foot swell at any moment. I was hoping that once we got into deeper water that it would improve but even out by the rigs it was terrible. At about 1 mile offshore I said to hell with it it’s not worth Getting flipped and losing gear. It was hell and I was fighting for my life. I’ll never do it again! Your video may keep somebody else I’m doing something stupid like we did. We all got out of there safely and alive but we learned a valuable lesson. My whole crew was experienced kayak fisherman and we got tricked that day.
A PFD,VHF radio and a bulge pump was the first things my friends told em to purchase if I wanted to get into kayak fishing
Being brand new to kayaking, ( haven’t even purchased one yet ), this was an excellent video. Showed me the dangers of going off shore in rough windy conditions. I watch these videos to educate myself. The radio and bilge pump is not something I would have thought of. Thank you for making this.
Late to the party, but yes if you're going into big water a radio (Marine/VHF) is a must. Wear a life vest, bring a bilge pump. Familiarize yourself with re-entering your boat in case it gets rolled or you have to bail. Makes sure your hatches are properly sealed. Monitor the weather constantly, if you catch a hint of it going from mild to wild GTFO. Be familiar with tides (coming in/high tide? Going out/low tide?) and current patterns.
The ocean doesn't care about you. You learn how it works and show it respect or it *will* eat you. Be safe out there.
Hi ive been thinking about purchasing my very first kayak with no prior experience. What are some tips you can give to people such as myself to get started with a hobby like this?
@@Joselcastr0 +1
@@Joselcastr0 Join a kayak group. You can fish with other people and learn a ton. I'm about to purchase PA14 360 with all the bells and whistles. I'm going to install Lowrance Live9(with GPS), and an electric bilge pump. For some other security features, I'm carrying a flare, VHF radio, and an emergency entry rope (just in case I flip). I'm also installing a portable solar panel to recharge my battery when I'm fishing. So far, I'm looking at 8.5k.
If you are getting into Kayak Fishing buy a Hobie Pro Angler, this pussy was out in mild to gentle conditions over loaded with fishing equipment in the wrong kayak. I've been in 150 to 20 swells in an Outback, without taking on an spoonful of water.
I worked on a supply boat in the Gulf of Mexico for 10 years , on jack up boats for another 10 years . Even on a flat calm hot dead day a small pop up summer thunder storm can ruin your day on a kayak , because you don’t have enough speed to outrun them and there is no shelter near by. Be sure you have a nice size insurance policy so your wife can support her new husband ! ! !
In Ireland we call those conditions calm! If you or your vessel can't handle the conditions you need to go back to shore NOT continue on 8 miles out to sea!
The camera makes the swells seem smaller than they actually are. From my kayak/camera experience they are roughly twice the size they appear. I would never take a kayak offshore without an outrigger. Never.
Those weren't bad conditions for Texas. Yes the camera doesn't do the size of the waves justice but I can tell by the number of waves coming over his kayak when he was at the rigs it wasn't bad. Much closer to normal than bad. Mark was understandably frustrated with his new kayak. Turns out this was the video that prompted Hobie to start adding hatch seal gaskets to all 2019 Outbacks and began issuing then to dealers for free to those like Mark who had already bought a 2019 Outback.
@@jerry-381 result on the hatch seals
it gets much calmer the further you get out it’s typically only really rough when the waves are going from deep to shallow water
Also it’s not about how big the swells are it’s about how close they are together
Great video. 8 miles is about 6 further than I'm willing to go in my 2023 outback lol. I can happily say that they've made some improvements to the bow hatch in the last couple years that greatly improved it's water integrity.
I have had my Hobie Outback for many years now and it has never taken in water no matter the amount of swell crashing over. Checking seals and making sure everything is strapped down correctly is really important.
I can confer with this ...I'm lucky if I have got more than 1/2 a cup of water in my 2016 Outback in similar conditions over 5 hours
I have the 2021 compass. It leaked water like crazy around the hatch brand new. I had to remove it, silicone install it and replace the hatch seal with one from the hardware store. It’s water tight now. Thought Hobie would have done a better job.
Same here,...I don't have any issue with going out thru 2-3 foot breaking waves. And ocean swells are actually cool. It's the windy chop that makes things uncomfortable, but if you need to bilge pump your kayak, there is something wrong with your seals. Good seals, dry-suit, waterproof floatable VHF transceiver, and bingo, ocean kayak fishing is a blast.
Great honest review! Never thought of keeping a bilge pump on my hobie and now I will. Thanks!!
Buy the right tool for the job and learn how to use it, in all applications. Also, I would NOT dangle a pair of SS scissors near my face or eyes while kayaking. He's lucky in the "HUGE" swells and chop he encountered he did not poke an eye out.
I don’t think you needed to worry about apologising, this was good info mate cheers for showing it
This pussy owes and apology to Hobie for bad mouthing their fine recreational kayak and over loading it with fishing gear.
Not to be a d**k, but the problems experienced were due to 2 things: the Outback and offshore inexperience of the owner. Don't misunderstand me, the Outback is a good kayak. It's simply not made for those conditions. If you have to wait for lake like conditions to go offshore, you are going to be doing a lot of waiting. There are kayaks made specifically for fishing that requires surf entry/exit (Viking, Ocean Kayak, etc). That being said, no kayak is perfect and there are plenty of folks that Hobie through the surf and waves on the regular. That's where experience ties in. Through experience, you learn the weaknesses of your vessel (and yourself!) and improve upon them. Nothing wrong with being inexperienced, but offshore is no place for lack of safety. Kudos to you brother for not going alone and having a radio, pfd, etc. Always have a bilge pump/sponge. I would also suggest that people new to offshore spend at least a day or two just playing with their kayak (stripped of all extra gear) in the surf. Not only will this help with handling skills, but more importantly will reveal your vessels weakness such as leaks. Then it's time to Macgyver that sh*t. You can usually get online and find others that have already experienced and solved the same problems.
Again, not trying to be an ass here. I've gone through days just like this and felt just like you did. I'm sure I will again. But don't give up!
Great comment!
AFter watching this it brought back my memmories of my OB filling up with water also (front hatch not secure) from getting hit by waves constantly. Eventually i rolled it and lost a heap of quality gear. almost lost the OB as well. Mate towed me back and then the yak. This vid gave me flashbacks. Glad you made it back.
Thank you. I've never sea kayaked before and I'm learning from your misadventure to be very careful and fully prepared.
If you want to go sea kayaking I suggest you get an actual sea kayak (sometimes referred to as a touring kayak). What, I believe his name is Mark, was using is good for fishing due to the freedom of movement (and they hard to roll or sink too!), but ultimately not meant for the rough conditions (and to be honest the conditions were *that* bad, I believe the erratic waves combined with some design choices proved a bigger problem) of open sea.
Just look for Sea Kayak Waves or something and you'll find sea kayakers having fun going in and surfing on big waves. Or trekking long distances through a sea or ocean. I once saw a sea kayaker deliberately go into a wave to have the tip of the bow or stern go underwater and bury itself into the sea floor causing them to flip along the long side or be sort of 'ejected' backwards (though I do believe that this is only for the extremely tough and expensive kevlar composite kayaks).
Glad you found the limit and made it back safe to talk about it. Pick your days carefully.
More like pick your type of kayak better. He was in relatively smooth water, shallow surf, he comes off like a pussy, blaming the kayak.
@@maxwaters1461 I do not know anything about kayaking, but I do know this, I have seen way worse conditions with way better results on videos. Those conditions did not look beyond beginner conditions
Excellent video and thank you. No apologies necessary. You well demonstrated the limitations of the craft in swell conditions offshore. And thanks for not telling us what you ate for breakfast and for getting straight to the point. How I wish more RUclips videos followed your format. Good job.
Now I'm a sailor. I was born for the ocean. But I ain't going out there in no kayak.
😂 I shouldn’t of been out there in those conditions for sure.
Me either !
i'll go out in a 1436 jon with a 5 horse on the back before i would get past the sheltered bays in a kayak.
@@MDLRFishing Pussy. Next time go out in those gentle swells in a proper fishing kayak, or since you don't fish leave all the that fishing gear on the beach. The Outback is a very stable recreational kayak, it is NOT meant to loaded down with fishing gear
That is the reason I purchased two the left over 2018 Hobie Outback for $2049(DUNE) and 2199(CAMO) because of a youtuber Aliex that took his 2019 Outback and it flipped going through the surf 3 times. At that point I realized that the new design was not for offshore applications like the 2018 models. Thank God you are safe but if you had gone alone and not with a team as you did, you may not have been as blessed as you are today and may not have lived through it. The bottom line is that we can all learn from your experience. Thank you and God bless you. Stay inshore with the 2019 Hobie Outback.
Lol him flipping that kayak was 100% user error
@@SteegeFish lol if you mean the flip test yeah, the surf video, it flip on it's on
Aliex Folgueira If you take a breaking wave from the side almost any kayak will flip.
@@SteegeFish it flipped going straight close to the shore too, that tiny wave that got me when I was across trying to get in front of the camera would not have flip other yaks. Anyways we gonna do the surf test again...gonna be epic with my friends who have more offshore exp
And it wasnt even rough
I like these type of videos that show the REAL adventures and what you go through on a "bad trip out" as apposed to selected clips of when you catch fish ! Great educational video when others would just not have posted it !!
I was surprised to have it recommended by YT, showed was a pussy does when he make bad choices and blames everything but himself.
I have always said "there never is a "bad trip" unless someone dies. They had a good trip.
@@audioeeze8396 Yer an idiot.
I was honestly surprised by the Hobie's performance. I thought it was a more seaworthy boat. I'm a sea kayaker - paddling mine since 1984. That much water in the bilge as a result of some really small surf on launching is a bad sign. Once you got through the break zone, the swells in general were quite modest, not breaking over your deck much, so it's surprising that you kept taking on water. Good that you have a VHF radio - that shows forethought and good planning. Eight miles offshore is a long way and even with a peddle drive, about two hours from land - not a good thing if weather rolls in - like it has a tendency to do in the gulf. Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience.
Something we must always account for on the kayak, no way to outrun weather
It was a terrible idea. He's lucky he lived.
I don't understand why everybody is so readily accepting that this Hobie kayak allowed water that was simply splashing over the stern and bow into the hull. Apart from this it seemed absolutely fine. The seals on the hatches should not allow water into the hull that has simply splashed over the Kayak. That is not acceptable at all, it's a design fault. I'm not expecting the kayak to be waterproof if held under water, but I would expect those hatch doors to keep splashed water out. Too much to ask? I don't think so. It is very disappointing and concerning.
Famous last words, "I should not be out here right now".....as he continues to motor out.
Thanks sharing the video. Have you had any more problems with water in the hull of the Outback? If so how did you fix it?
I appreciate your honesty, man.
What year was the lime green Outback? Did it handle the conditions a little more gracefully?
2018 Outback. I bailed water 7 times and Nick had to do it 3. My kayak was faster through the water.
@@MDLRFishing Learn how to kayak, properly
I just purchased a mirage compass. These videos are really educating me. Thanks, this information will help save my life in a bad situation.
You have some big balls, after seeing this I am going to leave mine in my wife's purse
Oh geez kenneth
thts like nothing to me..nahhhhh it dont scared me at all..its soo smooth..lol
Wow! I am amazed at your calmness as I sit here and panic in your stead! Awesome video.
Dude you stole my line! Was going to say... no business being out there, in a kayak, especially with no bilge pump!
Glad you were ok 🌊
( not even a Whitecap.. imagine if it breezed up )
I have the same 2019 same color. I noticed some water in my Hull after a very choppy big wave day on Lake Wallenpaupack. The waves were ridiculously high and non stop. I ended up taking a break by tucking in next to a dock for a while. Your videos have definitely educated me. Thanks and keep the truth coming. That’s what I subscribe to you. The enthusiasm and the straight forward real talk. I carry a bilge also.
Mark you have a lot of up and down comments on this video. I agree that those conditions were too rough for most people in any kayak. I use a Revo 16 offshore. I’ve been going offshore for about 7 years now (only 1 year in my hobie). I never fish in shore if the conditions permit offshore. I’ve taken lots of water over the bow without getting water inside but I have a well sealed kayak. I think the 2019 bow design is better than the 2018. It’s good to have something that cuts the waves better. That’s part of why I use a Revo instead of an outback. You just have to have a sealed boat. You will always get some water over the bow offshore. Fix the seal problem and don’t give up on it. Always go with someone. Always have all your safety gear. Always pick your weather and sea conditions carefully. Never compromise on safety. If you ever need someone to go with you are welcome to go with me and my buddies anytime. I think we are finished for this year but we will be out again next spring. You are welcome to PM me if you want to take me up on the offer. No insult if you don’t. Good luck out there. You do a great job on your channel. Keep it up.
So I been a whitewater kayaker my whole life (over 30 years of average class five action) and I been sea kayaking for 15 yrs...I wonder how many Fishermen who fish from kayaks take kayaking seriously enough to cross over and cultivate real skills. I think kayak fishing is an awesome offshoot of kayaking in general- an obvious connection to make. I would simply recommend that anyone seriously interested in off shore fishing (or swiftwater river fishing) cross over and learn about the greater knowledge base and skill sets of kayaking that has matured a great deal since the 1980's. Increase your skill as kayakers without all the fishing gear 'n shit, then come back to the fishing rig and apply those skills like a ninja. 'cuz That's What Kayaking is: Ninja Kung Fu shit. certainly it is once you are that exposed and off shore. I thought this video was rad because it's potentially very helpful to others on so many levels. Way to go dude.
@@jpwaterman5104 Yeah. Baby steps. They could have ran some tests. That was a stupid expedition.
Always have your own bilge pump offshore and be safe out there brother! Also take baby steps, if that is your first time surf launching then don’t go 8 miles out. Glad you made it safe and we’re buddy boating!
Great advice.
The boat might not take on so much water if you didn't have about 200lbs of scissors in it. How many pairs of scissors do you have there and what do you need them all for?
Tou never know when a good sewing circle will pop up. Need those scissors.
And he forgot his knife and went back to get it before they launched. Dude clearly likes to cut shit.
Very educational! Thanks for the vid! The water was leaked into the hull through the two hatches??
Hobie should be drier than that, but regardless- Hobie or Walmart special- YOU should ensure good seals on every hull opening.
Shit i just got a kayak from walmart just so far have taken it on the irl lagoon and lakes mostly and no water inside that i know of lol its a brand new lifetime tamarac angler
It's so good to pray - when you're a knucklehead, I pray all the time ! ! !
Best comment here.
Smart move to come back in, you aren’t the first to experience this with the new design. I have a Hobie Revo11 and fish the bays to a limit and as with you I love the Hobie , but only go where and when my kayak will be safe for me. This is not just with the Hobie but with any kayak as conditions can change quickly. We’ve seen at least two Hobie owners be rescued by the Coast Guard this year in Jersey that I know of and both had the proper safety gear, but made some bad judgment calls. So as you say tight lines and be safe.
revo 11 front trap isn't waterproof . Especially when we're turning up the kayak , dunno how much exactly but an average of 2-3 liter per capsize . That's the only way water can get inside , i always have my handpump . Maybe glue some foam on the top trap for more adjusting pressure between the seal and bonnet , easiest issue i guess , dunno why Hobie didn't fix it .
Even worst for the coolbag LOL .
France , over 6 miles is forbidden for kayak . And as you say conditions turn quick with our shity weather .
It was really bad judgement that got him out there.
Respect the ocean, always prepare for the worse… on a kayak if you can’t swim back you probably should not be there.
The 2019 OB has been an awesome kayak for me inshore. Glad you tested it to its limits. Good to know the limitations of the kayak
Limitations of the kayaker
The captain of the boat was a fool. That was the true limitation. Might as well have paddled a milk crate out there. He probably would try.
I have to say having watched a lot of American kayak fishing videos that they go for very large, heavy kayaks with deck chairs for seats. Then they load them up with all kinds of boxes and bags and gear. Such a craft would be heaven fishing calm inshore ponds but are not suitable for the sea where conditions can change in a heart beat and where a nimble buoyant and responsive craft is needed. If I was a kayak manufacturer and I built a kayak that took on water every time a wave slopped over the side of the kayak I would hang my head in shame. Well done to MDLR Fishing for showing real life problems that all of us can learn from.
It's not because of the outback.....the kayak does not do well in these swells 🤔
Great video. Glad you made it back! Love watching someone local to me.
Hobie front hatch is deadly.The most dominant company in kayaks can't make a waterproof front hatch? Everyone and Anyone can get caught in weather even on calm days, then what, blame the weather? The weatherman? Or blame the dead kayaker of course! Blame his immersion gear and vhf of course! Height? Stability? Secondary stability nonsense? How about just make the effing hatch right???
You definitely have a legit point.
Tom C great reply, people need to understand offshore kayaks and standing up or stability may not play well together.
Sold my hobie buy a jackson cossa fd far far superior than the outback even the 2019 NO water inside super stable and the drive is just genius only flaw is the stupid steering stick is the only thing the need to change to a twist handle like the natives or hobies to everyone out there Before you buy a hobie try a jackson cossa fd and you'll see !!
I find my Old Town PDL to be far superior than a Hobie.
Really, no seals on hatches??
My yak is 3 times less expensive than hobie and i have seals.
Galaxy Alboran, btw.
The question is this: How far away from shore are you comfortable with because, like flying, there are variables that you may need to contend. Therefore, be safe ALWAYS, because a fish is not worth the distress of not knowing if you will survive the predicament you got yourself into.
Offshore kayak fishing is BIG here in Hawaii for pelagics and LOTS of 2019 Hobie kayaks have been going up for sale after a few months for this reason. The older Outbacks dont have this issue in swell or even white caps but somehow Hobie failed to design it at least as good as the previous outback.
Jon, Which Kayak do you recommend? I am still researching for a new kayak next year. I would like to have my first PDL but is not easy to find a good comparison offshore video.
@@noctilucas I dont have a pedal kayak. The kayak I have is a Ocean Kayak Trident 15'. Its the 2nd to the last model with the huge center hatch for storing bigger pelagics. The newer ones have a track mounting system and less maximum weight capacity.
@@jdotndot Thank you. I am in a Big Game II 2015. I feel really safe in that Kayak, so if I move forward with a PDL I need to be confident to feel as safe as I am now.
@@noctilucas typically the longer and more narrow the kayak the faster you are and can cut through the water easier in bigger swell. I almost got the the big game cuz I'm a big dude at 6'2" and 285lbs. The trident 15 holds 575lbs max capacity and I can fly through current and wind here.
@@jdotndot you are correct.
Diehard kayak guy here. I made the mistake of taking a kayak that was not made for the ocean out to far several years ago. Very scary. I never did it again. Mine was not made for water as rough as it got either. Needless to say my kayak was great. However it was not made for the conditions I got in. A great learning experience for me and I’ve never done it again. What was more concerning for me that day was the fact that I also had a shark curiously following me. Tied it in with the rough waves and I was scared, no doubt about it. You said it best ...It’s a good kayak but it’s not made for this kind of waves. I’m glad to hear you say that. I agree
Hindsight is always 20/20. I’m just glad I was able to learn without injury. I haven’t been out there since that day.
I just went out on Sunday and the conditions were rough, choppy, windy and swells. I did not get any water in the hull. Very weird, u might want to check and see if u have any ways the water is coming in
Exactly, he has got to stop blaming the kayak for his lack of experience or knowledge about kayaks or fishing. Why the moron stopped moving forward each time a wave hit him going through the surf, small wonder he took on water.
Video showed us what we all need to know. For the commenters that are sure they can move through this wave action with no trouble, I will be watching for your video. MDLR is all cattle-no hat and I always appreciate that...
That's some scary stuff. But I'm thankful you made it in.
What stuff was scary?
i have two 2014 Outbacks - the older hull is absolutely awesome in rough and offshore conditions...IMO better than the newer hull version. Semper Fi brotha
I feel the same exact way 🤙
@@MDLRFishing this is my rig. ruclips.net/user/shortsKIG5B4Tv2zk?feature=share
I have always said: There is never a bad kayak trip unless someone dies.
You guys had a good day. Thanks for the video.
Great video. Congratulations.
Just when the Outback 2019 was launched, its wide, wide-floating stern, and small freeboard, I realized that there was nothing to do with the versatile Hobie Outback until 2018. It's a kayak for rivers and calm waters.
Ótimo vídeo. Parabéns.
Apenas quando o Outback 2019 foi lançado, a sua popa larga, de popa flutuante e pequena, eu percebi que não havia nada a ver com o versátil Hobie Outback até 2018. É um caiaque para rios e águas calmas.
Ok what I've learnt form this video. Conditions were awesome and if a Hobie can't handle those conditions then it's a crap kayak.
Yep. Buy a pelican instead.
Serious a pelican kayak? Or sarcasm?
@@TheAverageFisherman99 I too love it when my kayak snaps in half lol
BINGO< you win the internet.
I's always the kayak and/or conditions, NEVER the kayaker.
I'm glad you spent some time showing and explaining the situation. That's a big help for us back here waiting and working to get a kayak. Much appreciated. This has as much value as
at fishing video, maybe more. I think this was a great video, glad you posted it up. I'm probably getting a 2019 outback with 360 Mirage drive so this is good to know.
Thanks for your honest opinion, i really appreciate it.
Opinions are like sphincters, everyone has one.
Thank you for this video, I’m in the market for a kayak, and your video is narrowing it down more, and more.
Marcos this was a great video for many reasons, i think more than anything the conditions were just too rough, my Viking Reload that i took out beyond Surfside Jetties i ran into some of these waves as well, a few 4 footers are little nerve racking, i can say the Viking was able to work through them but still knowing the limits of conditions and having buddies go along are a great lesson as well, no apologies needed here bro you did us all a great service.
Great video man, did u ever find out where the water was getting into the yak???.
Too many offshore kayak videos focus on bravado, but this one was honest.
A fast approaching squall can put any yak in serious trouble.
This guy would start crying for mommy if that happened and blame everything on everything other than himself.
Yep, you got some good swells there and some nice chop too. lol Don't feel bad Mark... I just took my new 120 AutoPilot out for the second SKUNK..lol Had one last Friday and again this Friday... To be honest I'm just getting used to using the remote, and the motor and also I gotta say that it takes some effort to not get lost in the Mangroves. Thank god I had a tracking application on my phone. Hey Mark... I've made some calls to Mariner Sales for some customer service help and they have been absolutely top notch. Thanks for recommending them for the FPV Battery. Very Happy
Keep at it 💪 that kayak rocks.
Watching this video could literally save the life of someone who is considering taking an Outback 2019 offshore. If you were on your own without a bilge pump who knows what would have happened. I think it is wrong to blame the conditions and not the kayak. The Outback has two design flaws - 1. Takes water over the bow easily and 2. Front hatch is not waterproof. The old outback or a viking profish would have been OK in those conditions.
Very informative video. Elephant in the room is water leaks. Need to fix. Boats sink and or become unstable with water in the hull. Second point; bilge pump was one of the first purchases for my 2018 Outback. It will be relocated to within reach when venturing offshore. Lastly, the 2019 OB is not as versatile but still a great kayak imho and meant for calmer conditions.
The old outback takes water too.
So true and the pro-angler hatches seem to be even worse. The original idea of a sit on top kayak was to have a sealed hull which will not fill with water and scuppers to drain water from the deck thus making them able to cope with surf and offshore conditions. Hatches should be sufficiently waterproof to allow for water splashing onto the deck and also allow time for revovery in case of capsize.
I would probably agree. I ride an older Outback, and I've taken it out in worse conditions than that. It took in a little water (understandable), but not enough where I constantly had to bilge. But hey, at least my hands were free to fish and/or bilge :)
You can make the hatch waterproof. Plenty of how to videos on here
Enjoyed the vid. The OB is a very capable yak, in most conditions. But stuff like this is where the Revo shines. A very seaworthy yak.
Mark, first off, glad you made it safely back to shore. I know I was one of the people asking about a potential offshore video in the last Live Q&A video and man oh man you delivered, sorry that it didn't go as you planned but it is very informative. I think it's fair to say that any kayak with a low profile such as the new Hobie outback would allow water to wash over the bow as it did in those rough conditions. Through the past year of researching Hobie's, it seems that there has always been a problem with the bow hatch design allowing water to seep in. Not sure why they can't invent a double or triple flange gasket so solve that leaking issue or a creat a doubleheader hinge for the hatch like on the Bonafide's ss127, who knows. lol, It's a shame that the lower profile does make the Outback an inshore kayak for the most part. I'm still up in the air about purchasing a 2018 or 2019 Outback. Great video, very informative, thanks for the honest review, keep doing what you're doing, maybe one day I'll have you in one of my videos if I ever start. Take care!
I would not rely on this guy for kayak knowledge, he has demonstrated he has very little. I own three Outbacks, 1 2012, 2017 and a 2021 model, NON of them take on water, unless I stop in a wave and it breaks on me and the kayak.
Good information, and good on you for sharing it. I have one question: Do you know how so much water got into your hull? Was it waves breaking over a leaky front hatch? Seems to me that should not ever happen. I'm a fan of yaks with an open tank well instead of a front hatch. Less potential for trouble.
I took my hobie out on the bay and I thought I was gonna die ! Never again is right !!
Can i buy yours lol
forrest schaefer I sold it for half price already.
Lmaooooo
Good advertising for Viking. Glad you’re safe!
I’m glad you’re safe. You’ve done your fellow fishos a great service with this video. Go buy yourself a Viking - the Kiwi’s fish in soup a lot and make the best offshores.
Watching your videos made me wanna fish again. Love your videos love that your a dad and I find my self just watching all your videos now.
Great video and experience BUT everything about it screams unsafe and a avoidable tragedy to happen.
Keep it safe and fun, not worth the risk. I love fishing and kayaking where I know that I can handle any emergency. Radio, life vest and all is never a guarantee that you’ll make it back but glad that you did.
AM I missing something? How did the water get into the hull?
Going out that far in a kayak under those conditions... Nope,Nope,Nope,Nope,Nope,Nope... Noooo way sir.
LuckenbachTexas7499 probably why you live away from the coast, ... lmbo!
@@aussiepedrosmith78 (or it sinks because the user was beyond his or her limits, but...) no disrespect meant for the dude who engaged in this adventure and caught it on video to share with us. sounds to me like he's coherent about it all- no harm no foul and part of the reason we do this shit is to learn new things/gain new experience/skill. all good in the hood. staying on shore is lame. Knowing where that line is is tough but you have to venture out to find out sometimes and it seems like homeboy mitigated his risks well enough.
jP Waterman xactly! ... Knowing one’s limitations, is taking a risk assessment, and proving, or disproving it, is how we manage those risks, ... you might have an idea, of how safe, or not, as to how far you can go, ... but you will never know until you try, ... there are quite manageable risks that on some days (ie: windy, cloudy, rain, or severe temperatures can be causes of concern, healthwise, ... and if you are not prepared to manage those concerns, then it is no one’s fault but your own, ... and then, by all means, ... keep your silly butt on shore, ...lmbo!
Replace that front hatch seal and try again. That was a known and warrantied issue. Mine did the same the first time I went offshore, but no issues since I replaced the seal, even in more questionable conditions than that first trip. Very capable boat.
Win some you lose some. At least you caught a fish and your still alive. 👍🎣
all part of the adventure, right?
Glad you made it back brother!
Everything has its limits.
The limits of this kayaker were certainly exceeded.
Buy a Compass. No hatch no water no problem. Lighter and more agile too.
Interesting...so there is akayak without a hatch or ... no below deck eh?
@@stevehogan8829 just you tube the Hobie Compass
He'll sink it with fishing gear
@@stevehogan8829 the compass only has watertight twist hatch.. better still is now the Hobie Lynx..not hollow at all. !!!
You need to make your boat sea worthy correct any bad seals because even a calm day on launch could end in rough waters as storms approach fast and unexpected at times.That boat should have been fine for those conditions. That also being the upper limits for what you should expect it to endure..
I don't understand why everybody is so readily accepting that this Hobie kayak allowed water that was simply splashing over the stern and bow into the hull. Apart from this it seemed absolutely fine. The seals on the hatches should not allow water into the hull that has simply splashed over the Kayak. That is not acceptable at all, it's a design fault. I'm not expecting the kayak to be waterproof if held under water, but I would expect those hatch doors to keep splashed water out. Too much to ask? I don't think so. It is very disappointing and concerning.
its the kayak everyone is saying hobie messed up the outback 2019 go back to the older design
Thanks for the sobering video! I don't expect to ever go 8 miles offshore (or even 2 miles, for that matter) but I have had to face similar wave action in locations like the quarter mile wide Louisiana MRGO (Mississippi River Gulf Outlet) when I had to return 2 miles down this channel with 20 to 30 mph winds blowing straight down the channel. Worse case for inshore fishing I find is a strong wind bucking a strong tidal current - produces rollers down a deep channel! I fish from a Native Slayer Propel 13. I've had used Hobies before picking up the 2016 SP13, and there are times when I wish I had the hatch access and potential storage of my previous 2012 Outback. However, the SP13 has limited hull access via 2 very securely sealed points, and even after an 8 hour trip crashing through 2 foot waves, the most water I've found in my hull is literally a couple of ounces at best! I figure that minor some seepage occurs through the steering cables. My propel drive can't handle the inshore grass like Hobie's mirage drive, but there is something calming about a sealed hull that's built like a tank!
I think me and my buddy made it abt a quarter mile into lake ponchartrain from the tchefuncta before the swells almost flipped us both
Wow, disappointing. I was hoping to purchase the 2019 for offshore fishing. Hopefully the Hobie design team is watching and improves the weakness in the design and improves the offshore capabilities of the 2019 Outback.
Get a pa14 I love mine. Very stable
A leaky front hatch is a case by case deal. They unfortunately rushed production on the first wave if outbacks to get them to dealers on time. I personally know a few guys that have put their 2019's through hell and only got maybe a quart inside. The hatch seal kit they've come out with will fix it. Free from Hobie, contact your dealer.
Appreciate the honesty, very important when you could be facing a life or death situation regardless of brand.
Yep, can't say I blame you mate.
Buy an AI ....safe as houses. Love mine. Done a bit of extra sealing to the forward hatch for waterproofing, but that's it.
My wife and I both had 2016 Pro Angler 14s. We took them out on the lake in sketchy conditions just to try it out. We could duck back around a road embankment if it got too rough. We were in super rough water with a lot of wind and waves stacked close together. We maybe took on a cup or two of water. They floated high and rode over the waves rather than plough through them. I'm over 250 pounds and we had ice in the front hatch with full fishing gear. We felt safe. We just got tired of fighting the wind and waves after a while. We did this on several occasions.
That was calm water. If you want an experience, go to lake Erie.
FrostieV
Yup that thing would be on the bottom
Good video and great advise! I have a Jackson Kraken 15.5, I have no problem in those conditions.
Great video MDLR, very informative. Glad you all got in safe. Needs more RX Angler! Sup Niiiick. :)
Mark you may already know this but Hobie has stated there is now a free front hatch seal kit available for all 2019 Outback's that will drastically reduce the amount of water getting into the hull. Just contact your dealer and they'll set you up.
JUST PLAIN EXCELLENT VIDEO, Mark! First, in full support of going off shore or in conditions that one knows how to handle and mileage may differ for everyone as to a certain extent we’re all addicted to the adrenaline/adventure of kayak angling. Heck, Dpham that teamed up with you had done some awesome early vids himself in sketchy conditions - he understands safety. Second and most important, this honest video goes beyond fishing. It talks of safety and the equipment (H/O 2019 and potential limits). All of us in TX thanks you and keep safe. Tight lines. (H/O 2016 owner)
I just try to share my experiences on the water. I leave it up to the viewers to formulate their own opinions. I thank you for yours!
If he understood safety he wouldn't have led these kooks out there that day.
I know this video is a few years old, but this is the first time I've seen it. I have a 12 foot Hobie Pro Angler 360. I really, really like it a lot. However, I wouldn't dare take it out on water like that. I'm very happy with my Hobie kayak. The 360 drive is especially very nice. However, there are 2 things I'm not real happy about. One, the center of gravity is very high. Even if the seat is on the low setting, the center of gravity is high. Obviously, if the seat is on the high setting, the center of gravity is even higher. And, for some reason, the high setting for the seat seems to be the most comfortable and the best to align your legs properly, and comfortably, with the pedal drive. The high seat setting also makes it easier to enter and exit the kayak. I had to get used to this high center of gravity. This kayak is fast. The kayak can do 5 mph on calm water. Add to that speed the ability to turn really sharply, and, if you are not prepared to lean when you turn, the combination of speed, sharp turn ability, and high center of gravity can cause you to be dumped out of the kayak, or even roll it. Second, the hatch and storage areas are not water tight. There are rubber seals on these openings. However, they do not work very well. In rough water, or even, I believe, in a fairly heavy rain, the hull of this kayak will definitely get water inside it. I always had Jackson kayaks before. With the Jackson kayaks, I never had water inside the hull of the sit ons. I sure can't say the same for this very expensive Hobie kayak.
What good is a kayak that doesn't float when it get wet?? That is the whole point of using a kayak. I would find a different kayak if I were you.
Explorer Mike for $3,000 plus tax kayak I would say that was a bad spent investment....
Glad you made it back Safely. Open Water is No Joke.
Appreciate the video and all the dialogue. I bought a 2018 Outback. I think it made me wary to go out on Monterey Bay. You’re saying that hull is better than the 2019? I still feel my 2018 rides low, feels unsafe as water splashes over the front pretty easily. Maybe it’s ok? I haven’t had any leaks in the front hatch-just not as comfortable further from shore as I am with the 15 ‘ Ocean, of course. But maybe it’s safer than I think it is?
I agree 100% the leaky front hatch cover should be addressed by Hobie direct, however, a simple weatherstrip/improved front hatch gasket eliminates the water gushing in. On my 2017 Outback I constantly took on a bunch of water through the warping 8” round hatches. Reseated the rear hatch gasket and lubed appropriately and installed a rectangular hatch instead. Only minor dampness in the yak after these changes.
Personally I love Hobie left out the annoying black round hatches that warp so easily if you’re in the sun all day. If I ever decide to need an access in the rear of the yak, I’m installing a rectangular hatch to avoid the leakage issues.
The 2019 Outback handles is much faster and more agile than the previous Outback and PA14. Looking forward to the new Outback 👍😁
BionicWings same with my PA 14
How did u fit the rectanglular one over the odd shaped one ?
Bingo, another like. NONE of my hobie round hatches have warped, they are stored out of the sun, up-side down as Hobie recommends.
Man you got balls. That's craziness man.
1) in hull electric bilge pump.
2) in hull pool noodles (backup).
Yup yup yup
Mack B Not that hard to do either... just tested mine.
So you feed pool noodles into the hull on each side? Never thought of that, but I mainly river fish in 2 ft of water, but if I were going out on the ocean or even rough inlets that sounds awesome.
Coast guard bait 😂 hopefully your journey as an ocean kayak angler has had a lot of growth the past couple of years!
CRIS DEBEER just did his review of the kayak. Go support. His videos are amazing. 🙃
*What kind of radio is that… Motorola?* Hey man nice video… great to see people being honest about their limits or their equipment’s limits.
Current gen Outbacks handle rough ocean fine. The ocean in this video is what we consider a nice ocean out here in Oregon. You just need a little less gear and a little more practice.
In South Australia, we call those conditions a millpond ! My ocean kayak (Rockpool GT) and my Hobie Pro Angler are both fitted with Rule 500 bilge pumps, activated by air pressure switches. Those hand pumps are pretty much useless in any kind of seaway. A) you don't want to be opening hatches to use the pump and B) you need both hands free to operate rudder/paddle for directional stability.
Fortunately you weren't out there alone and also fortunately you have the humility to admit your mistakes and learn from them. Kudos.
Try kayaking at Waitpinga mate, I almost died 🤣🤣
@@clivecamangon7998 Been there many times. Got a mate who likes to put his goggles on there and roll his kayak over to hang upside down to look at any sharks that turn up. I had a near death experience a bit further along the coast at Middleton Beach when I got rolled lots of times in some huge surf there. If you know Middleton you'll know the breakers seem to go on forever and the constant foam makes swimming/floating/breathing very hard. 😩
I have a 2019 outback and have already been in conditions ALOT worse than that. Not a drop of water was in the hull. Did you have the plug screwed all the way in? Was the bow hatch latched down? Was the storage bin latched down? You need to check all those things. One or more of them is probably the problem or you have a hole in your brand new yak. As for the water coming over the bow- that is normal. In relationship to the kayaks gunnel height to the wave height- I would compare that to a 16' boat in 10' seas. You will take water over the bow- not a big deal. It's called kayaking and you will get wet in conditions like that.
This guy whines a lot. 2019outback , and a 2014 ascend 128T has been in way worse conditions. never taken on that much water in either.
Well yay for you. The singular dry 2019 outback. Its garbage.
Been in worse in my PA. No water in Hull. You don't want to get wet buy a boat.
Glad to see you made it back bro.